Time Nick Message 03:03 wajasu ok. reading up on everyones effort for bug 8607 and bug 8673 03:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , overdue_notices is broken 03:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8673 was not found. 03:03 wajasu i mean 8378 05:59 mtj sorry, very off-topic, but interesting -> http://www.cracked.com/article_19833_the-7-sneakiest-ways-corporations-manipulated-human-behavior.html 05:59 mtj … the bacon story is just bizzare?! O_o 06:05 mveron Good morning #koha 06:12 * magnuse waves 06:16 * cait waves too 06:17 * magnuse waves at cait 06:24 cait :) 06:27 mtj ooh marcgrep -> https://github.com/marktriggs/marcgrep 06:28 * mveron waves to everybody 06:37 * mhk shall not lurk here. 06:39 cait hi matts 06:39 matts hi ! 06:39 cait hi mveron, mbalmer and all 06:44 julian_m hello 06:44 wahanui hey, julian_m 06:50 mtompset Greetings, $koha. 06:50 mtompset #koha. 06:50 mtompset Anyone here? :) 06:51 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Warning messages in koha-zebradaemon-output.log" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125 06:52 reiveune hello 06:56 mtompset Greetings, reiveune 07:02 mtompset AHA! 07:02 mtompset I triggered the error again. YAY! 07:02 mtompset I think I'll ignore it. :) 07:03 gaetan_B hello #koha 07:03 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B 07:03 gaetan_B salutations mtompset ;) 07:04 * mtompset feels loved. 07:04 mtompset You remembered. :) 07:10 mtompset Comme ca va, gaetan_B? (sorry if my French is rusty. I don't practice what they taught in highschool.) 07:10 mtompset Greetings, matts 07:15 mbalmer hi cait! 07:15 mbalmer (and all of koha) 07:16 mtompset mblamer? 07:16 mtompset Hmm... is the bot missing? or are you now undefined, mbalmer? 07:17 gaetan_B ça va bien mtompset ! but don't worry, i don't expect people to master french ;) 07:17 gaetan_B (i do a lot of mistakes myself!) 07:19 drojf hi #koha 07:20 mtompset Yes, but it is nice to use a person's language if you even know un petite peu. 07:20 mtompset People appreciate it. :) 07:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf. 07:20 drojf hey mtompset 07:20 wahanui i guess mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons. 07:21 mtompset No... today I'm back at looking at Koha code. 07:21 mtompset wahanui: forget mtompset 07:21 wahanui mtompset: I forgot mtompset 07:21 mtj anyone have any koha + (vufind or blacklight) stories? 07:23 mtompset Sorry. I do not, mtj. 07:24 mtj oooh, and Koha + DAISY? a worthy idea :) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAISY_Digital_Talking_Book 07:25 mtj via a firefox plugin ? https://launchpad.net/daisyextension 07:26 mtj … FF plugin looks a little non-active recently tho… :( 07:26 mtj "Currently only works in Firefox 3.x and not in Firefox 4+. Further development is under consideration." 07:29 magnuse hehe 07:29 drojf mtj: i'm not familiar with DAISY but maybe it's possible to enhance bug 8377 to support this? 07:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Signed Off , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client 07:30 mtj meh, afaict, no current FOSS software players for DAISY :( 07:31 drojf http://code.google.com/p/mobile-daisy-html5-player/ 07:32 mtompset FOSS? 07:33 rangi be better if it was ogg, not mp3, thats an issue for any FOSS player 07:33 mtompset wahanui: FOSS is Free and Open-Source Software. 07:33 wahanui OK, mtompset. 07:33 rangi but afaict its just another thing to catalogue 07:33 mtompset afaict? 07:33 * rangi will continue to resist storing things in Koha .. there are tools for that already, storing metadata is fine 07:34 mtj 'as far a i can tell' 07:34 mtompset wahanui: afaict is As Far As I Can Tell. 07:34 wahanui OK, mtompset. 07:34 mtompset wahanui should know these, for people who don't. 07:34 wahanui mtompset: wish i knew 07:34 mtj woah DASIY uses mp3 ?! 07:35 drojf that's what wikipdia said 07:35 rangi yep 07:37 mtj wow so it is - what a fail ?! 07:38 mtj oh well, its fixable surely? 07:39 kf good morning #koha 07:39 mtj ie: update the spec to use ogg, send the ogg patch, etc… :) 07:39 rangi its just a standard for audio material, im not sure how/why we would want to do anything more than catalogue DAISY items 07:40 mtj drojf++ thanks , nice link :) i have found some other examples too 07:41 mtj i think i mean 'DAISY has no FOSS players, for a browser' 07:41 * rangi is failing to see the link with Koha 07:42 mtj Koha opacs with text-to-speech readers, for disabled people 07:42 rangi surely thats a browser thing 07:42 rangi not a koha thing 07:42 rangi i think making sure koha works well with screen readers is a better goal 07:43 drojf if you want to offer the contents directly from the opac it's a koha thing ;) 07:43 rangi it'd still be a browser thing 07:43 mtj well, text-to-speech has got nothing to do with koha, from a configuration perspective, but…. 07:44 rangi mtj: daisy isnt for doing on the fly text to speech 07:44 rangi things like JAWS do that 07:44 mtj yeah.... :) 07:44 rangi making koha work well with that, would be far more useful, most visually impaired people will have a player already 07:44 rangi lupin already did a lot of work on that 07:45 rangi the OPAC is pretty good, and as long as we keep labelling things with good labels, not stupid things like click here :) it will continue to be good 07:45 rangi but the staff client has issues 07:45 mtj ok ok, problem solved already :) 07:46 kf hm not solved - ongoing effort I would say 07:46 rangi afaik (ill check with julius (our accessibility expert) tomorrow) DAISY is dead 07:47 rangi superceded by all the crappy drm ridden audiobook formats 07:47 mtj rangi++ thanks, awesome info 07:49 mtj bah, JAWS is non-free 07:49 mtj -> http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp 07:51 rangi yep, there are some free software readers, but they suck 07:51 mtj rangi, is there better FOSS software. similar to DAISY ? 07:51 mtj gotcha 07:51 rangi daisy is a file format, not a screen reader 07:51 rangi totally diffferent things 07:51 rangi ill ask julius what the current least sucky one is 07:51 kf I think lupin worked on some too 07:51 rangi it's handy having a blind colleague 07:52 kf for linux 07:54 mtj rangi, oops yeah, i'm getting DAISY mixed up as a webbrowser text-to-speech player, not a file spec :/ 07:55 mtj they *are* totally different :p 07:55 rangi :) 07:55 mtj SLAPPPPP 07:55 mtj ok, next... 07:56 rangi nvda i think 07:56 rangi is one ive heard of 07:56 rangi lots here 07:56 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers 07:57 mtj theres a weird similar level of software fail in the text-speech market, as library market 07:57 rangi yes 07:58 mtj often project with best intentions… but software built on closed-source software stacks... 07:58 rangi yup 08:04 mtj like, the offical DAISY consortium player - built using windows MFC 08:08 rangi http://weirdinwellington.com/post/29816364090/tasman-street 08:25 magnuse lol 08:31 rangi mtj: have you seen the new vodafone ad? 08:32 mtj nope, 1 tic... 08:32 mtj url even? 08:33 mtj rangi, girl on swing and little doggy ? :) 08:34 rangi mtj: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96vH_nfXsI8&feature=plcp 08:35 mtj my fav.. kimbra live with a sampler -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd7GLvMYSHI 08:35 rangi i like the robot dolphin 08:37 mtj yay for computers! :) 08:37 rangi hey eythian 08:37 wahanui hmmm... eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence 08:38 eythian hello 08:40 kf hello eythian :) 08:41 kf rangi: the dolphin is great :) 08:42 mtompset Love the subtitle: "That dolphin swallowed a man!" 08:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @kohails @jannicker" 08:44 mtj rangi, cheers, that was great :) 08:58 mtj although, i found the use of the possum to sell a 'product' on television, exploitative and offensive :/ 08:59 mtj if it had been a dog, well…. there would have been a public outcry! 08:59 rangi thats cos dog cheese is gross 09:06 * magnuse wonders at the "ethnicity" field in the borrowers table, again 09:07 kf magnuse: yeah - it's hard to explain that - I had to for the privacy documents 09:08 kf not sure if we could delete it? I think you can't put something in there since 3.0 09:08 kf at least 09:09 magnuse you can probably give it a default value when you import borrowers? and set it in a spreadsheet that you import? 09:09 magnuse but i don't think it's displayed anywhere? 09:10 kf hm no, don't think it is 09:12 mag hi 09:13 kf hi mag 09:14 mag can anybody guide how to import opensource and other purchased resources like Springer and Taylor and francais in koha 09:15 kf mag: it depends on the format you get the data in 09:15 kf mag: to import into koha you need marc21 records 09:16 mag fine, would it be only biblio data 09:16 mag or ebooks and journal articles 09:16 kf bibiographic data can describe anything 09:16 kf you can describe any media in marc21 - but koha is not a digital library 09:17 kf currently it doesn't support uploading pdf for example - you normally have the links in your records and then that's how you access the information on another server 09:17 mag thats it 09:17 kf mag: where are you from? 09:18 mag but if i want to get data on any subject with links on say springer 09:18 kf wb eythian 09:18 magnuse kia ora eythian 09:18 eythian hi 09:18 eythian waiting for the talk on MARC::MIR to start 09:18 kf ah :) 09:18 eythian I hope it acknowledges that MARC is terrible :) 09:19 kf it probably will 09:19 kf mag: sorry, Iam not sure what you want to do 09:19 mag i want to import biblio info on marc from other source 09:21 kf if you have marc data from the vendors or sources you use the normal staged marc import 09:21 kf manual? 09:21 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 09:21 kf you can find the information in the manual in the tools section - staged marc import 09:22 magnuse eythian: how could it not? ;-) 09:22 eythian magnuse: an excellent point 09:24 mag i m trying to do it directly from internet 09:25 magnuse eythian: this is a general perl conference, right? not a library specific thing? 09:26 eythian yeah 09:27 drojf mag: what kind of source? 09:28 drojf is the koha wiki down? 09:28 magnuse eythian: and there is a talk on marc? wow! 09:28 eythian yeah, ex biblibre person it turns out. 09:29 asaurat Marc Chantreux ? =) 09:29 magnuse and he is called MARC Chantreux, i think ;-) 09:29 kf eiro 09:29 eythian that's the one 09:32 mtompset MARC ... nice play on words. 09:32 asaurat hehe 09:35 rangi drojf: looks like it 09:35 wahanui looks like it is probably a replicate of /usr/share/koha/misc 09:38 eythian OK, so far a lot about how marc is bad :) 09:39 eythian and how marc::record, marc::moose etc are bad. I can agree so far :) 09:43 mtj hmm, why is marc::record bad? 09:44 eythian It's just not very nice to use, although I think a lot of that is being close to MARC 09:46 mtj ah yep, still … its at least improvable 09:46 eythian hmm, this doesn't look too bad really. it has iterators, grep, map etc. 09:46 mtj regexs even, too? 09:47 eythian any_field { tag eq '010' and say value } $record 09:48 magnuse there is a marc::moose? 09:48 eythian apparently 09:48 eythian I've never seen it 09:48 magnuse wow http://search.cpan.org/dist/marc-moose/ 09:48 eythian oh, this makes a DSL to operate on MARC 09:48 magnuse by none other then fredericd, even 09:48 mtj is their a turbomarc 'converter' anywhere? 09:49 mtj ie: a marc2turbomarc tool 09:49 magnuse dsl? 09:49 mbalmer domain specific language 09:49 magnuse ah, thanks mbalmer 09:49 eythian with_fields { @$_ = grep {(tag) !~ /^9/} @$_ } $record; 09:50 mbalmer http://www.vnode.ch/node/42 fwiw ;) 09:50 magnuse DSL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language 09:51 kf DSL? 09:51 wahanui it has been said that DSL is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain-specific_language 09:51 eythian also yaml to MARC conversion as part of the module, with names (e.g. 'author') for fields. 09:51 eythian and translator plugins to make this work 09:52 kf hm isn't gmcharlt maintainer of marc::record 09:52 kf ? 09:52 magnuse kf: yup, think so 09:56 mtj fredericd++ marc::moose == impressive! 09:57 mtompset But it is copyright 2012, so MARC::Moose is very new, it would seem. 09:57 magnuse i get a failing test when i try to cpan it 10:00 mtompset Okay, I know we aren't suppose to have indentation wars, but have we a standard that is preferred? I hate reading code, and having to change the tab-sizes multiple times in the same function. 10:01 mtompset (i.e. one section is written with one size, and another part with another, and another with spaces) 10:03 magnuse coding guidelines? 10:03 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 10:04 mtompset Seems the wiki is down. 10:05 kf mtompset: I rmember telling you it's 4 spaces 10:05 kf and that you are only supposed to reindent your new code and where you change code - to keep history ;) 10:06 mtompset kf, I blame my medications for my poor memory. :P 10:06 eythian it's 4 spaces, but there is Old Code in there 10:08 eythian this marc::mir thing looks good 10:08 kf hm, does someone remember who hosts the wiki? 10:08 magnuse kf: it's on the wiki ;-) 10:09 kf yeah, that's the problem :) 10:09 rangi equinox 10:09 magnuse moahaha 10:09 kf gmcharlt: ping? 10:09 rangi unlike he is awake 10:09 kf true 10:19 eythian Was briefly talking to a guy from the Berlin state library. He has the idea that Koha won't work with their size (12mil records) 10:19 drojf why would it not? 10:20 eythian I think he has the idea that it's for small libraries. 10:20 rangi state libraries dont circulate much 10:20 rangi it will work just fine 10:20 drojf i think that has been long ago 10:20 drojf with the small ibraries 10:20 eythian yes, I said that. 10:20 eythian We're going to be chatting over beers this evening. 10:20 rangi a 500k library that does circ would be much more demanding 10:20 drojf rangi: i think they curculate a lot 10:21 eythian along with the marc::mir guy 10:21 magnuse i think the idea that koha is only suitable for small libraries is widespread 10:21 rangi drojf: probably not like delhi public 10:21 magnuse i think it's related to the "if it's free it can't be any good" idea 10:21 kf eythian: do you remember who it was? I saw a familiar name on the list of attendees 10:21 drojf rangi: no idea. we get quite some books from them for the non-koha project i work at 10:21 mtompset What was that article link you posted a while back, rangi? 10:22 eythian kf: I didn't get his name, though he knows you :) 10:22 mtompset It addresses this. 10:22 rangi number of records is meaningless 10:22 rangi all you need for that is diskspace 10:22 eythian _I_ know that, he didn't :) 10:22 rangi yep 10:22 kf eythian: scary :) 10:22 rangi its a widespread library thing 10:22 kf well, say hi from me then, just in case :) 10:22 * eythian makes a note to add that to my presentation, actually 10:22 rangi because proprietary vendors use numbers of biblios to rort libraries 10:24 rangi maybe i should do that presentation at kohacon13 10:25 slef rort? 10:25 rangi lies proprietary vendors will tell you 10:25 * slef runs patches2bugs 10:25 rangi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rort 10:25 eythian slef: don't run that, run patches2fixes 10:25 kf I think they do a lot of ILL 10:25 kf and circ in house 10:25 mtompset Ah... sounds like FUD, rangi. ;) 10:26 rangi mtompset: its not really fud, its lies about their own stuff 10:26 slef Nameserver not responding :-/ Who broke wp.dg.cx? 10:27 slef "The term is also used as a verb to mean the act of defrauding, as in "He rorted the system". " 10:27 slef live+learn 10:27 mtompset Ah... okay. They aren't using FUD to get people to buy theirs. They are rorting people about the lack of awesomeness of their own product. 10:27 drojf rort'n'roll 10:29 rangi mtompset: they use artificial metrics to charge more, oh you have 2 million records, it will cost more 10:29 rangi this perpetuates the myth that numbers of biblio records is a useful thing to measure 10:30 mtompset it is only useful for determining disk space and RAM you need. :) 10:30 slef I prefer user accesses and circulation activity, but no-one seems to have that ready :-/ 10:30 rangi yep 10:31 rangi thats a useful metric 10:31 slef let's be generous and hope they have rules of thumb for biblios:activity 10:31 slef bbl 10:32 mtompset for a minute there, I thought the wiki was back... not quite. 10:34 kf yeah circ stats are hard to get by 10:34 kf and you still have to find some kind of metric for non circulating libraries 10:35 mtompset non-circulating libraries? 10:36 kf libraries that don't borrow books? 10:36 slef mtompset: research and archive collections, mainly 10:36 mtompset http://library.columbia.edu/content/libraryweb/services/faq/lio/noncirculating.html seems to be a good explanation for that. 10:36 slef the most entertaining ones I've met are company libraries where no books leave the building - they just change location between offices 10:37 mtompset slef: that's not really an organized library, but I know exactly what you mean. 10:37 slef mtompset: I think their librarians would object to that ;) 10:38 mtompset well, considering the companies that I experienced that in didn't have a librarian, no one would object. ;) 10:38 slef They've "branches" in each building and then some get located in staff offices if the librarians think it would be helpful for a case that they are working on. 10:39 slef at least at one firm I remember 11:23 kf gmcharlt: ping? 12:02 clrh koha-community wiki is down ? 12:06 kf clrh: yes 12:06 kf clrh: I think equinox is hosting it 12:07 clrh snif 12:11 kf hm maybe we shoudl mail gmcharlt? 12:11 jcamins_away kf: there hasn't been any activity on the EG channel yet, so I think Equinox hasn't opened for business today yet. 12:11 kf ah 12:11 kf thx jcamins_away 12:12 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 12:12 kf and good morning :) 12:16 magnuse kia ora jcamins 12:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @saschel: "@vioe Anyhow, veel succes & plezier! #kohails" 12:39 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @saschel: "@vioe Benieuwd welke keuzes jullie gaan maken. 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Implementatie gebeurde in-house 1/2" 12:42 kf wb eythian 12:43 eythian hiya 12:59 wajasu kf: i guess the overdue_notice has a lot more things wrong with it. i'll work on it some more (triggerring). 13:00 kf wajasu: did you see my second comment? 13:01 kf my test case got a bit confused with midnight :) 13:01 kf the triggering seems alright in master 13:01 kf the problem is after your patch the listing does not work - only one item appears 13:01 kf and the fine still not :( 13:09 wajasu puzzling. but i'll try it with your use case. i had actually seen multiple itmes handled, so i never got into that code. 13:09 kf wajasu: my items were on the same record - maybe that's another edge case to look into 13:09 * kf gets out a net to catch eythian next time he arrives 13:13 tcohen morning #koha 13:13 wajasu yeah, another path in the code. i know there are lots of rules. i i'll find the other path. 13:17 jcamins tcohen: good morning. You were missed over the weekend. 13:17 tcohen hi jcamins 13:17 koyauni hi 13:17 tcohen what was going on this weekend? 13:18 jcamins We had a Spanish speaker in need of some help. 13:18 tcohen oh 13:18 koyauni do you know what is wrong with http://debian.koha-community.org/ 13:18 koyauni it does not resolve 13:18 jcamins He used Google translate to translate what he wanted to say into English, and I used Google translate to translate what I wanted to say into Spanish. 13:18 jcamins It's probably on the same server the wiki is on. 13:18 tcohen next time mail me, i will get it in my phone 13:19 jcamins We managed to get things working, but it probably would've taken you all of five minutes. ;) 13:20 tcohen hehehe 13:21 koyauni I am new to koha what will the best pack to install, I have a dedicated server running Debian 6+ , but I have many domains on this server, I want koha to run under one of my subdomain, 13:21 jcamins It reminded me why I need to learn Spanish. :) 13:22 jcamins koyauni: you should use packages. At the moment the wiki is down, but there are instructions on the wiki you should follow. 13:25 koyauni will be any config to point koha to a subdoamin in a package installation? 13:25 jcamins koyauni: yes, you can do that. 13:29 koyauni what is the nam of the package please 13:29 jcamins koha-common 13:29 wahanui somebody said koha-common was the one you want, the main koha one needs a bit more work (its for setting up a single instance) 13:33 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Clatsop Community College Joins the Chinook Library Network and Goes Live on Koha… http://t.co/TvrwZtG8 #kohails" 13:34 koyauni ok, thanks, I guess I have to wait for wiki to come up, I think it is better to use google CODE and Group for your documenation so you skip server issues like this 13:34 jcamins koyauni: other than the fact that if you use Google code you're relying on Google. 13:34 jcamins And are limited to the small subset of functionality that they think you should be allowed. 13:37 jcamins wiki's back. 13:38 * tcohen has become a Koha translator this weekend 13:38 jcamins gmcharlt: berick got the wiki restarted. 13:38 koyauni cool thanks! 13:38 jcamins packages? 13:38 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 13:38 jcamins ^^ follow those instructions. 13:39 koyauni so I use stable version then 13:40 jcamins Yes. 13:42 koyauni do I need to do this first 13:42 koyauni http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%2B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment#Step:_Install_Koha 13:42 koyauni or that is only for development 13:42 jcamins No, you need to follow the instructions. 13:43 jcamins Are you setting up a development environment? 13:43 gmcharlt the wiki VM ran out of memory at 07:00 EDT today -- we'll keep an eye on it 13:43 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks. 13:44 kf yay :) 13:44 kf gmcharlt: thx :) 13:44 kf equinox++ :) 13:46 koyauni I add this file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list and add this line deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main to it please? 13:46 jcamins Is that what it says in the instructions? 13:46 koyauni it says, To get the stable 3.8 release, add this to a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list file: 13:46 jcamins There you go. 13:47 kf ooh news about the search rewrite on the mailng list 13:47 kf and cool news too 13:48 jcamins koyauni: You should work your way through the instructions, and ask questions only if you run into problems. Since you have decided not to pay for support, you're going to be on your own. 13:49 drojf sponsors++ 13:49 koyauni :) thank you, there is reason no seek pay support, we are in Iraq with no banking system, 13:49 koyauni and it is hard to get old men to pay attention to new tech 13:50 koyauni but man have to do what have to do 13:53 wajasu i was trying to apply a patch. anyone ever see this => fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8 13:54 koyauni when I run this wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - 13:54 koyauni it says sudo: command not found 13:56 koyauni I think your wiki, should say, if you miss sudo, run apt-get install sudo 13:56 jcamins wajasu: I have. If you manually delete the second encoding line it will work. 13:56 jcamins koyauni: you'll need to install sudo. 13:56 jcamins koyauni: if you're new to Linux, I have a list of readings at http://www.cpbibliography.com/news/2010/10/using-koha-learn-linux/ 13:57 jcamins You could edit it. 13:57 jcamins However, the wiki assumes (quite reasonably) that you know how to use Linux. 13:58 gmcharlt chris_n: by the by, where is your mariadb branch nowadays? 13:58 kf wajasu: yes, look at the patch file, there is a doubled up encoding declaration 13:58 kf wajasu: remove one of those and the patch will apply 13:59 kf well... if there is no other conflict :) 14:00 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Clatsop Community College Joins the Chinook Library Network and Goes Live on Koha… http://t.co/6AwlChac" 14:04 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:04 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 14:04 jcamins @wunder 11375 14:04 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 21.7°C (9:32 AM EDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 14:04 druthb @wunder 66046 14:04 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 20.0°C (9:02 AM CDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 14:05 talljoy @wunder 76109 14:05 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Benbrook TX US, Fort Worth, Texas is 20.6°C (8:24 AM CDT on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 14:05 talljoy druthb: we have similar weather....although we have some of this wet stuff floating around 14:06 koyauni when this run : wget -o- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | sudo apt-key add - 14:06 druthb none o' that here. 14:06 koyauni it says no vaild gpg.asc pack found 14:06 jcamins You need a capital O. 14:08 jcamins (wget -O-) 14:12 kf oh, a one eyed smiley 14:13 koyauni thanks that did it , and loads of commands are running now 14:13 druthb kf: O-) 14:14 magnuse a cyclop! 14:14 * kf hides 14:14 druthb Hi, magnus! :) 14:14 druthb O-) 14:14 jcamins koyauni: excellent! 14:14 magnuse hiya druthb 14:19 talljoy i want a cyclops. lol 14:19 talljoy -O) 14:19 talljoy no that wasn't it. 14:20 kf -O 14:20 talljoy -O 14:20 druthb O-) 14:20 talljoy lol 14:20 kf O-) 14:20 talljoy 0-) 14:20 talljoy o-) 14:20 kf O - ) 14:20 talljoy phew 14:21 druthb I wonder.... 14:21 druthb O-( 14:21 druthb Nope. Can't give someone the Cyclops Evil Eye. 14:21 jcamins druthb: a street sign on a hill? :) 14:22 libsysguy here is a cyclops poked in the eye *-( 14:22 libsysguy maybe this one {0-) 14:23 talljoy keep tyring 14:23 talljoy s/tyring/trying/ 14:24 talljoy altho you are tiring me out already today 14:24 * druthb wields trout, and waves it menacingly at libsysguy. 14:24 * libsysguy puts on his crash helmet D) 14:24 talljoy lol 14:25 koyauni I am using a subdomain as http://library.koyauniversity.org for users and http://libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org for admins, how do I put this in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf 14:25 asaurat >-( 14:25 magnuse Ø-) 14:26 libsysguy |-( 14:26 talljoy }-/ 14:26 druthb :-/ 14:26 druthb O:-) 14:26 asaurat haha i like the |-( 14:26 asaurat the disappointed cyclop 14:26 libsysguy hehe 14:27 libsysguy here is a better helmet (|:-) 14:27 gmcharlt =|-) 14:27 druthb I liked D) better. looked like a full-face with a visor. 14:27 gmcharlt (cyclops wearing a hat that's too large) 14:28 jcamins koyauni: INTRASUFFIX=admin 14:32 koyauni should it be sufix or prefix of the main domain 14:32 jcamins What do you mean? 14:32 jcamins INTRASUFFIX=admin 14:32 jcamins INTRAPREFIX="" 14:32 koyauni I use libraryadmin should I write libraryadmin 14:32 jcamins OPACSUFFIX="" 14:32 jcamins OPACPREFIX="" 14:32 jcamins No, juset set INTRASUFFIX=admin 14:32 koyauni ok 14:32 jcamins And you set the domain to koyauniversity.org. 14:33 koyauni with the dot before .koyauniversity.org 14:34 jcamins Yes. 14:35 jcamins If you weren't using packages, you would have to edit the Apache configuration files manually. 14:37 koyauni so this is working now, how does it know that it is the domain library.koyauniversity.org is access point for the application 14:38 jcamins When you do the koha-create command, it configures Apache with the subdomains we've discussed. 14:42 koyauni I use a dedicated server with mysql already on it, 14:42 koyauni so I do not need to run this sudo apt-get install mysql-server 14:42 koyauni am I right? 14:42 jcamins Right. 14:43 jcamins Provided you are certain that the MySQL server is on it. 14:45 koyauni yes, I run many websites and all of them using my sql DB, 14:46 koyauni where does this koha put the DB? can I create that in my plesk panel for auto backup purposes 14:47 jcamins No, as we discussed, you need to let koha-create take care of the database. 14:47 jcamins It will be called koha_library. 14:47 jcamins Are you the same person who used the koyauni nick before? 14:48 * jcamins just realized that you might be someone else, in which case I'll find the logs of my conversation with your predecessor for you. 14:50 koyauni yes, I did, we installed this but the server was messed up and we lost all data in re installation so I am doing this for second time, 14:51 jcamins Okay. Since you're not real familiar with Linux, you'll need to follow the instructions, and then set up Plesk to backup the database. 14:53 koyauni I created but the http://library.koyauniversity.org/ does not work :( 14:54 jcamins Did you set up DNS? 14:55 koyauni sorry I was logged out, and lost the conversation, 14:55 jcamins koyauni: if you want to take a look at the previous times we've gone through this process, you can see the logs at the following locations: 14:55 jcamins http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-08#i_1046896 14:56 jcamins http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-08-09#i_1047381 14:56 jcamins Before you refreshed, I asked if you had set up DNS. 14:58 koyauni yes I did, I have that here 14:58 koyauni http://kl1p.com/koyauni 14:58 koyauni hope it is correct 14:58 jcamins That's not DNS. 14:58 jcamins That's correct, but it has nothing to do with DNS. That's koha-sites.conf. 14:59 jcamins DNS is something your network administrator has to configure, so everyone knows what server hosts library.koyauniversity.org. 14:59 jcamins I think we encountered this problem the second time we walked you through this as well, so you might want to check the logs. 15:00 koyauni ohh, that is fine since the site is working, you can access the domain now 15:00 koyauni but I do not see koha 15:00 jcamins Did you look at the logs I linked you to? 15:04 koyauni the access to the domain is solved now, we havecorrect DNS now, so all koyauniversity.org , library.koyauniversity.org and libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org are working 15:04 jcamins Are you sure? 15:05 koyauni see what command returns when I run create 15:05 koyauni http://kl1p.com/koyauni 15:05 jcamins That all looks fine. 15:05 koyauni do I need to zebra thing as well 15:06 jcamins It started Zebra. 15:07 koyauni ok, does DNS need to do more that opening the site at http://library.koyauniversity.org/ 15:07 reiveune1 bye 15:07 jcamins You need to make sure that the DNS entry for library.koyauniversity.org is pointing to the correct server. 15:08 jcamins Just call up your sysadmin and tell him/her that you need it, and in a few hours it'll be working. :) 15:08 jcamins (there's a delay when setting up DNS) 15:12 wajasu kf: i think i have you test case set up (2 items) 1 day delay and 2 daya delay for overdue notice trigger. circ rule charge interval 1 day. w/ fine 1.50. how did you force the overdue fine? by editing the db table date_due for the items to be relative to your current day? and running fines.pl? 15:12 kf by running fines.pl 15:13 kf editing db tables is dangerous - easy to miss something that happens in RL 15:13 koyauni yes it does, as our sites are live 15:13 kf wajasu: you know that you can check out with a duedate in the past? 15:13 wajasu no i didn't 15:14 kf makes testing such things a lot easier :) 15:14 jcamins koyauni: please humor me and check that the DNS for library.koyauniversity.org is pointing to the exact same server that you just installed Koha on. 15:14 kf wajasu: use the date field and it will ask you for confirmation, but checks out fine and you have items immediately overdue 15:14 jcamins I get a Parallels page when I go to library.koyauniversity.org, which suggests that it is not. 15:15 oleonard Hi all 15:15 wajasu i'll do that. i also noticed, paul p added bug 7447, but i tried to use it, but i can't get --date=2012-08-21 to work. so i'll use your method. 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Allow to specify a date in overdue_notice.pl 15:17 koyauni if it would not point to the same dedicated server would it still open the websites we have? 15:17 * oleonard tips his hat to huginn and slips him a shilling for the message delivery 15:17 kf wajasu: I am suspecting it doesn<#t work together with notice triggers :( 15:17 kf wajasu: I couldn't get the date option working with -t yesterday 15:17 kf oleonard: hope he had good news :) 15:17 jcamins koyauni: I don't know how you have your servers and DNS set up. 15:19 jcamins All I know is that I am getting a Parallels page. 15:19 jcamins I suspect the problem is you have a problem with your Plesk configuration. 15:19 jcamins Since you have to pay for Plesk, probably you could call their tech support and ask them what needs to be configured to add a new subdomain. 15:19 wajasu if a patron has $10.00 in fines, although i checked in the books, forgiving the fines, when i sign in as the patron, my items are checkd in, but i see the fines. do i have to run fine.spl to reconcile? is that how it works? 15:20 jcamins At this point the problem is not with Koha. It's with the server configuration outside of Koha. 15:20 jcamins At least, that's my analysis. 15:20 koyauni I have already created my subdomain and I access to it 15:21 koyauni library.koyauniversity.org is in working order 15:21 koyauni but it does not show Koha 15:21 koyauni I have full control on my dedicated server 15:21 koyauni and Plesk is part of the server 15:22 jcamins You can take a look at the Apache virtual host configuration file, /etc/apache2/sites-available/library 15:22 koyauni so the subdomain resolves well, 15:22 koyauni ok 15:22 jcamins It could be you had a typo in the koha-sites.conf, in which case you could adjust the ServerName to match what you want. 15:23 koyauni I think we need some shortcuts to be created 15:23 jcamins You can configure your server however you would like. 15:23 koyauni I fixed the typo but reinstalling whole server that is why we lost data and started all over again 15:24 jcamins Then don't reinstall everything. 15:24 jcamins I don't see why you would want to. 15:24 koyauni the library file is in /etc/apache2/sites-available 15:25 jcamins Yes. 15:25 * oleonard cheers all those who are doing signoffs and QA'ing 15:25 jcamins If ServerName is wrong in either place, you can adjust it to whatever you want it to be. 15:25 oleonard Poor paul_p is going to have a big backlog of work when he comes back! 15:25 koyauni see what is says http://kl1p.com/koyauni 15:26 jcamins There is nothing wrong with that. Your problem is with something other than Koha. 15:28 koyauni I think we need to create shortcuts to koha in vhosts 15:28 jcamins That may be. I don't know anything about Plesk. 15:33 koyauni please look at POINT #4 here https://github.com/fredericd/Koha/blob/master/INSTALL.debian 15:34 jcamins The packages already took care of that for you. 15:34 jcamins If you followed the instructions. 15:34 jcamins If you look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, you will see the same library file. 15:36 koyauni no there is no library in there 15:37 koyauni /etc/apache2/sites-enabled there is no library but bunch of shortcut files, 15:37 jcamins Okay, I suspect Plesk had some way to prevent the packages from modifying the Apache configuration. 15:38 koyauni can I redo that step see if will make any difference 15:38 jcamins If that's true, you'll need to do the following: 15:39 jcamins Nah, better to just do the following: 15:39 jcamins Run: sudo a2enmod rewrite 15:39 jcamins Then run: sudo apache2ctl restart 15:40 jcamins Then run: sudo koha-enable library 15:41 koyauni please see http://kl1p.com/koyauni 15:45 jcamins And does it work now? 15:46 jcamins koyauni: why are you following different instructions? 15:46 jcamins Believe it or not, I actually know how to use the system. There's a reason I told you to follow the instructions I pointed you at. 15:46 koyauni no just found it, now I did those command you asked me 15:46 jcamins Okay. 15:47 jcamins Did you get any error messages? 15:48 koyauni I see a library short cut in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled 15:48 koyauni no just went through 15:48 koyauni root@koyauniversity ~ # sudo apache2ctl restart root@koyauniversity ~ # sudo koha-enable library Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . 15:48 jcamins Okay, that all looks good. 15:49 jcamins If you still have a problem, it's definitely something to do with Plesk, I think. 15:49 koyauni shall I restart the server and see that will help 15:50 oleonard tcohen: Are you working on handling multiple book cover images gracefully? 15:50 koyauni I go get my child from nurery and be back in 2 hrs 15:51 koyauni if you come up with anything please add it to http://kl1p.com/koyauni I will read it when I get back 15:52 tcohen oleonard, i'm currently working on making calendar work on our setup 15:52 jcamins koyauni: it's unlikely restarting the server will help. However, I don't know anything about Plesk. 15:52 oleonard tcohen: Was that something you had said you were going to work on, or did I misremember who was working on that? 15:53 koyauni I place a note on plesk forum see what will happen 15:53 tcohen you are right 15:53 tcohen i said I was willing to work on that 15:54 oleonard tcohen: When you start on it I'm interested to hear what your plan is 15:54 tcohen ok, i'll let you know 15:54 tcohen (that was my plan anyway :-P) 15:58 * oleonard feels that the current system is too clunky to allow enabling of both Amazon (for instance) and local images 16:00 wajasu kf: i applied 8519 koha-index-daemon, 8607 date not replaced, 8378 <fine> syntax not working, and after setting up your use case, and ran fines.pl with calculate and charge in sysprefs, i got two overdue notices, one for each item overdue in the past two days, when i ran ./misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl -n -t 16:00 gaetan_B bye ! 16:03 wajasu kf: With templates filled in and one item in each notice: 16:03 wajasu Notice1 1 day overdue: 16:03 wajasu "The Tolkien collector" by , 828/.91209, Barcode: 888 Fine: £1.50 16:03 wajasu Notice2 2 days overdue: 16:03 wajasu "The Call of the wild " by , , Barcode: 999 Fine: £3.00 16:03 wajasu kf: do i need to run using email? 16:04 kf why did you apply the patch for the koha-index? 16:05 kf wajasu: what I did was running with -t and checking the contents of the message_queue table 16:05 kf it didn't work for me with EUR and GBP 16:05 wajasu i created a fresh empty db. did webinstaller. so when i add bibs and items via z3950, the indexer fineds them quickly and didn't need rebuild_zebra.pl. 16:06 kf it shouldn't matter here 16:06 kf but normally I woudl use master - so you can besure it all works 16:06 kf I think 16:06 kf wonder where the differenc eis 16:06 kf for me it should have been 2 items in the second notice 16:06 kf does this work for you? if you have more than one item overdue? 16:06 wajasu i didn't configure a default currency. 16:06 kf on the same date? 16:07 wajasu i agree. 16:08 wajasu when i originally tested it, i had two items due on the same date, and multiple showed in the notice. 16:08 kf it didn't work for me. 16:08 wajasu but the logic must not consolidate across days. 16:08 kf I am not sure where the difference is, but I reran the tests after I found out that it was past midnight 16:09 kf so I did it twice and it never worked :( 16:09 kf I can check the logs tonight, maybe they will show something 16:09 kf did overdues output warnings for you? 16:09 kf I had a pattern match warning 16:10 wajasu my patch took care of all those warnings. undefined, etc. unless you follwed a different code path. 16:11 kf I started from current master 16:11 kf applied the date patch, then yours 16:11 kf not much room to go wrong 16:12 wajasu i also am doing a standard install. make install... after applying the patch, the overdue_notice.pl calls changes i made int Letters.pm, so as long as PERL5LIB is correct. 16:12 kf I am working with a dev installation 16:12 kf it wouldn't work at all if the path was not correct 16:12 wajasu true 16:13 kf no idea right now - will think about it and run some mor tests 16:14 wajasu ok. grabbing lunch. 16:14 kf I am leaving for today - bbl from home 16:14 wajasu ok. no problem. 16:15 kf test installation for this is htere too :) 16:28 oleonard What are some reasons why an item wouldn't appear on opac-detail.pl? The item in question is not lost 16:51 oleonard Answer: OpacHiddenItems 17:33 libsysguy I think i want to start writing perl modules 17:34 libsysguy so I can make the user give me perfect input and deal with imperfect output 17:37 oleonard Is that what perl modules do? 17:40 jcamins lol 17:40 jcamins oleonard: that's so diplomatic of you. :) 17:44 cait hi all :) 17:44 druthb Hi, cait. :) 17:45 cait hi druthb :) 17:50 wajasu jcamins: it was suggested somehwhere to add [format] headers = "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=\"utf-8\"" to avaoid mangling non-ACII chars in commit messages. It seems my environment(git version or locale settings) puts that in already, so to avoid having double Content-Tpye lins in my SIGNOF patches, I'm just removing the [format] section from my .gitconfig 17:51 jcamins wajasu: when you remove the [format] section it fixes it? 17:51 wajasu yes. thats what causes the duplicat Content-Type. 17:52 wajasu i tested with and without while soing a simple format-patch 17:52 jcamins Awesome! 17:53 wajasu it might be or might have been useful for folks with an older git version. i din't test on my debian squeeze VM. let me see. 17:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 18:00 mtompset How is the minimum version required number determined? 18:01 jcamins mtompset: the developer looks to see what version they have, and enters that. 18:01 jcamins Often. 18:01 mtompset Ah. 18:01 mtompset I decided to re-look at Ubuntu 8.04 for laughs. 18:02 mtompset 3.6 and 3.8 fail mostly because of Modern::Perl requirement. 18:02 mtompset However, even 3.4 had 31 dependencies that were missing or needed upgrading. 18:03 mtompset As does 3.2 18:09 mtompset If I install something from external repo X, and then the default repos come along with a newer version of that something, will it upgrade from the default repos? 18:10 jcamins Yes. 18:11 mtompset It would seem then that I need to take my linux skills up a notch and learn packaging. 18:12 jcamins It's easy. 18:12 jcamins See the reading list on the wiki. 18:12 jcamins That's what I used to learn how to package everything and its kid brother. 18:19 libsysguy anybody around here have any ajax experience? 18:20 * oleonard has a little 18:21 libsysguy I am working with the calendar. I have perl returning a well formed JSON string and giving it to this function http://pastebin.com/JE36mcfB 18:21 libsysguy I am using this function http://arshaw.com/fullcalendar/docs/event_data/events_json_feed/ 18:22 libsysguy but I get no data and the object shows up as empty in js 18:22 libsysguy put the dump in perl shows it as good 18:22 libsysguy my mind is boggled 18:22 libsysguy and I think the interwebz are stealing my data 18:22 oleonard FullCalendar is a new js dependency? 18:22 libsysguy yes 18:22 libsysguy err will be 18:23 libsysguy if my patch gets passed 18:25 oleonard libsysguy: Firebug shows nothing coming back from getClosures.pl? 18:25 wajasu libsysguy: you might try using wireshark to listen between client/server hosts and see if you can find your json being transported to the browser. 18:25 wajasu unless firebug suffices. 18:26 libsysguy let me check oleonard wajasu 18:26 * mtompset waves, "I'm off." 18:26 mtompset Bye. 18:27 libsysguy oleonard: it is getting what it should 18:27 libsysguy or at least that is what chrome is saying 18:27 libsysguy so maybe I am missing something with fullcalendar 18:27 libsysguy i didn't think I had to run the render again 18:38 jcamins fredericd++ 18:40 oleonard Gah, why is bash tab-completion in my VM so /slow!/ 18:40 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, oleonard. 18:42 oleonard 12 seconds to tab-complete the name of a file in the current directory. My VM simply under-powered? 18:47 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) 18:47 JoeLib001 Is the koha 3.8.4 release postponed? 18:47 jcamins oleonard: I can't use tab complete with git. 18:48 jcamins JoeLib001: nope, still expected out tomorrow. 18:48 jcamins As is 3.6.8. 18:48 JoeLib001 Ah, ok. 22nd. 18:48 JoeLib001 For some reason I was thinking the 21st. hehe. :-) 18:49 wajasu oleonard: are you searching over a mounted directory? 18:49 oleonard No 18:50 jcamins oleonard: to finish that thought, tab complete with git takes so long that I always just kill it. 18:50 oleonard jcamins: Oh, so it's in combination with git that it slows down? 18:51 jcamins oleonard: yeah. If you use ls for your tab completion, then change it to git whatever, it's fast. 18:51 * oleonard did not understand what you just said 18:52 jcamins oleonard: like so. 18:53 jcamins Type: ls koha-{tab}int{tab}-{tab}pr{tab}{tab}mo{tab}acq{tab}whatever{tab}^a^d^dgit add 18:55 oleonard What is ^a^d^d ? 18:56 jcamins Ctrl-a Ctrl-d Ctrl-d. 18:56 jcamins You can replace Ctrl-d with delete. 18:56 jcamins Laptops don't have delete keys, and regular keyboards are too large to reach them. 18:56 oleonard I get it 18:58 wajasu i have /etc/bash_completion.d/git on my archlinux and its fast. Also, you can refer to some advanced stuff that may relate to your distribution. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bash_completion#Auto-completion 19:00 oleonard Looking at Bug 8624 and wondering why we include so many icons which aren't used 19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , famfamfam should be outside theme directory 19:00 jcamins oleonard: I have absolutely no idea. 19:00 jcamins I think it's the entire distribution. 19:03 wajasu jcamins: i'm wondering if i should atempt to add tests to t/Overdues.t while I'm familiar with the code. 19:03 jcamins wajasu: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 19:04 oleonard wajasu: jcamins sounds ambivalent. Maybe ask someone else. 19:05 cait lol 19:05 cait I agree wholeheartedly with jcamins 19:06 wajasu ok. thats my new pet project. can i try to employ template toolkit to generate what notices should match to? then it would be dual purpose. maybe if/when its overhauled, we can cut down on lines of code with TT. (right now its a 28000 byte perl script) 19:06 jcamins That is to say, pip pip, sounds like a jolly fine idea. 19:06 jcamins Makes sense to me. 19:07 oleonard We include 1,156 famfamfam icons in the OPAC ?!! 19:08 cait huh? 19:08 oleonard /opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam 19:08 cait please don't delete the little keyboard - because i use that :) 19:08 oleonard cait: In custom CSS? 19:09 cait https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/ 19:09 cait top left corner 19:09 cait and there is a howto on the wiki! 19:10 gmcharlt oleonard: nothing like covering *all* of the bases 19:10 jcamins Don't delete the magnifying glass either. 19:10 oleonard Alright, everyone vote for their favorites! 19:10 gmcharlt individually! 19:10 wajasu do we have any pages that currently do a master detail view with TT. for an example? say opac_details.pl? 19:10 jcamins Bulldozer! 19:11 cait tree? 19:11 cait oleonard: are they big altogether? 19:11 cait I mean would probably not hurt having them and include the official ones into a sprite? 19:12 oleonard 4.5MB 19:12 cait hmm 19:13 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/sport_football.png 19:14 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/rainbow.png 19:14 cait but... we need that 19:14 koyauni hi everyone 19:15 cait if a library wanted to borrow rainbows? 19:15 cait or footballs? 19:15 cait or to illustrate a opac news about the library football team that won the rainbow cup 19:15 oleonard Or if someone wanted to delete a lorry: http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/lorry_delete.png 19:16 nengard jcamins, i went back to your original notes and you didn't say anything about it being experimental - so do you want me to make the manual say that you shouldn't use that preference in production? 19:16 cait oleonard: ok... maybe we have some that we don't need :) 19:17 koyauni anyone got experience with Koha on Debian with Plesk 19:18 koyauni I have installed Koha but it does not shown the subdoamin 19:18 koyauni very similar to this issue 19:18 koyauni http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=636717#post636717 19:19 nengard @later tell eythian - i already documented that in the manual: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/reportsfaq.html#serialtablefaq 19:19 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 19:19 cait nengard: I think he meant the database documentation :) 19:20 nengard yeah i figured that 19:21 wajasu i do a "git log" in my kohaclone. i search forward for 7447, which was pushed to master. fine. but when i look at misc/cronjobs/overdue_notice.pl i don't see the added --date option code it added? Hmm 19:22 jcamins nengard: yeah. It's a future expansion thing. 19:22 nengard okay 19:23 oleonard jcamins: What is the magnifying glass icon you mentioned? 19:23 jcamins oleonard: used in bug 5888. 19:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , opac-detail subject/author links improvements 19:23 jcamins And friends. 19:25 koyauni jcamins: I fond some similar issues to mine on Plesk but there is no answer to tread, please see http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?p=636717#post636717 19:26 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/drink.png 19:27 jcamins koyauni: probably you need to do something special to make an Apache virtual host show up if you're using Plesk. If you read the Plesk documentation I imagine it will explain somewhere, but I wouldn't know what to look for. 19:28 cait wajasu: hm not sure, if it's pushed it should show up 19:28 cait maybe you ar enot on the right branch? 19:29 wajasu i'm on master. git log shows it in its history. 19:31 oleonard jcamins: Your magnifying glass icon isn't famfamfam, so you're safe. 19:31 jcamins oleonard: phew. I was worried. 19:31 oleonard :) 19:36 rangi Morning 19:36 cait morning rangi 19:36 wajasu hi 19:36 jcamins Morning. 19:36 wahanui well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:36 cait oleonard is threatening to delete our icons for deleting lorries and having drinks... 19:37 koyauni this is better : http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=111215 19:37 rangi We have drink icons? 19:37 oleonard http://search.myacpl.org/opac-tmpl/prog/famfamfam/silk/drink.png 19:37 rangi Do it 19:37 oleonard One of 1,156 famfamfam icons in the OPAC 19:38 * jcamins adds a "give me a drink" button to the staff interface. 19:39 oleonard I'd submit a patch, but we're down to 56 needs signoff and I wouldn't dare raise it. 19:39 rangi Hehe 19:39 * oleonard even did the homework rangi assigned yesterday 19:39 * jcamins is writing POD today. 19:39 cait I ddi my homework too! 19:40 cait well... half of it and wajasu claims it works for him... 19:40 cait jcamins: you could add a: want this search to work better? Buy me a drink button ;) 19:40 jcamins lol 19:40 cait getting donations for oyur search rewrite 19:40 rangi Chocolate fishes all round 19:40 oleonard Want to see page 2 of these search results? Buy me a drink 19:41 wajasu i reapplied my overdue_notice patch with kf's scenario and it worked for me. she left for home earlier and said she was going to look thorugh her logs and analyze it some more. 19:41 oleonard Want to see page 2 of these search results? Buy me a drink! 19:41 * oleonard excuses himself for the hiccup 19:41 jcamins lol 19:41 rangi It was showing all overdues? Not just one? 19:42 * cait nibbles on her chocolate fish 19:42 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:42 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). 19:45 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.4°C (9:40 PM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 19:45 wajasu i didn't touch overdue generation logic. just presentation. i added 2 checkouts 1 2 daya prior and one 1 day prior. with -t trigger two notices showed up, because there was a 1day trigger, and a 2 day trigger, but for different items. 19:46 wajasu it seems only books due the same day are consolidated into one notice. 19:46 cait wajasu: you need 3 19:46 cait 3 on the smae day 19:47 rangi Yes that 19:47 wizzyrea i wish huginn's weather bot would tell you what the wind speed is 19:47 cait hm meant 2 on the same day, but more than 1 :) 3 total, 2 different dates was what I did 19:47 rangi It should list all items 19:47 cait rangi: should only with --list-all option 19:47 cait else it should list in each notice the overdues for that trigger 19:48 rangi Yep 19:48 cait with -t --list-all all overdue items hsould be shown, without only those which due date matches the trigger 19:48 cait and -t should be documented in the help that shows with -h by the way... 19:49 rangi But it should never only show one when 2 match the trigger 19:49 cait hm interesting 19:49 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:49 cait wajasu: -t -n looks alright to me - have you tried without -n? 19:51 cait wajasu: yep, that seems to be it - -n shows the correct notices. if you create them and write them into the message_queue table, they are wrong. weird. 19:51 cait how nice... our test mode differs from waht really happens :( 19:53 cait wajasu: did I scare you away? 19:58 wajasu no. mom clled. she wins. 19:58 wajasu callled 19:59 cait ah 19:59 cait I updated the bug 19:59 cait and kf=cait... but tell noone... 19:59 cait rangi: would I get another chocolate fish for bug 8663? 19:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8663 normal, P3, ---, pelletiermaxime, Needs Signoff , Circulation rules hard due date calendar wrong format 20:00 rangi Yep 20:00 cait hm have to create a 3.8 instance... 20:01 rangi My stop bbiab 20:01 wizzyrea oleonard: that guy on the list, manos, that bug is the one we were working on yesterday right? 20:01 wizzyrea with the call number sort 20:02 oleonard yes 20:02 wizzyrea he probably just needs to set his asc to dsc and flip it back 20:02 wizzyrea so the value gets set 20:02 oleonard But he also wants the callnumber sort to work by default 20:03 wizzyrea your patch fixes that? or he wants relevance *then* call number 20:03 wizzyrea which kind of makes no sense but whatever. 20:03 wizzyrea @quote get 123 20:03 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:03 oleonard My patch enables sorting by call number by default which I think is what he wants 20:03 cait and if not - you still fixed a bug :) 20:03 wizzyrea ok, I was just wondering - should we tell him that lol 20:03 wizzyrea I will, if no one else wants to :P 20:04 oleonard That'd be great,thanks 20:04 wizzyrea okies 20:04 cait wizzyrea++ :) 20:04 cait and oleonard++ 20:11 rangi back 20:18 oleonard Thanks for the follow-up email wizzyrea. I'm glad some of his bugs could be reproduced--I couldn't with the cover image bugs. 20:19 rangi me either 20:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #141 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 20:32 oleonard Bye #koha 20:33 rangi cya oleonard 20:33 cait bye oleonard 20:36 rangi http://download.koha-community.org/ 20:36 rangi someone have a minute to check the 3.8.4 tarball (looks ok to me) 20:36 rangi before i send out the release notes 20:36 rangi ahh forget that 20:36 rangi 2 secs im rolling a new one 20:37 cait updat ethe database? :) 20:37 rangi yep 20:37 cait :) 20:39 nancyk Hi, just testing for tomorrow morning. 20:39 rangi hi nancyk 20:40 rangi i wont be able to make it, its 3am nz time .. but i hope the meeting goes well 20:40 cait hi nancyk :) 20:40 nancyk see you tomorrow i hope. 20:40 wizzyrea anyone have thoughts on how to find the record that causes "utf8 xc3 does not map to unicode" 20:40 wizzyrea I was talking to someone about this a week or so ago 20:40 rangi ok, proper tarball now 20:40 wizzyrea now I have one of these pets to call my own. 20:41 wizzyrea http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=deari&limit= 20:41 cait hm not sure 20:42 wizzyrea my thought is that it has to be something in a record that is wrong 20:42 rangi yep 20:42 wizzyrea i mean, duh. 20:42 wizzyrea but how do I find which one? 20:42 wizzyrea I've looked through biblio, and biblioitems, marc, and marcxml 20:42 rangi switch off xslt 20:42 wizzyrea oo 20:42 wizzyrea rangi++ 20:42 rangi and see if you can then see the results 20:43 wizzyrea it'll then be one of those right? 20:43 rangi yup 20:43 rangi assuming that doesnt asplode too 20:43 wizzyrea hehe 20:44 wizzyrea hm no it's still asplodey even without xslt 20:44 wizzyrea same message 20:45 jcamins Yeah, that's an error in MARC::Record. 20:45 magnuse looks like the error happens in Encode.pm - that is in perl code, not xslt? 20:45 rangi yeah but i was hoping it was being called by the xslt rendering 20:46 magnuse ah 20:46 rangi you'll have to start throwing in warns to dump the biblionumber then 20:46 magnuse no more info in the logs? 20:46 wizzyrea don't have access to them :( 20:46 magnuse gah :-) 20:47 jcamins wizzyrea: do you have public Z39.50? 20:47 magnuse same error in the intranet? 20:47 wizzyrea yes, in both 20:47 wizzyrea and yes, I believe we do have public z39.50 20:48 wizzyrea suppose I could query it that way eh. 20:48 jcamins wizzyrea: connect via yaz, get a list of records, and try accessing them one at a time? 20:49 wizzyrea good idea 20:49 magnuse this works: http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=deari&count=50&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&format=rss2 20:49 wizzyrea right which makes me think that it's an oldish record 20:49 wizzyrea one that is on the first page of results for deari 20:49 wizzyrea dearie also dies 20:49 wizzyrea same error 20:49 wahanui it has been said that same error is face earlier also 20:51 jcamins It's the eighth result for "deari". 20:51 jcamins (tested by lowing count until it worked. 20:51 jcamins *) 20:51 jcamins lowering 20:51 wizzyrea lol 20:51 wizzyrea wow. nice work there. 20:52 wizzyrea but… what is it! lol. 20:52 jcamins Now you connect with yaz, find out what the eighth record is, and know which record needs to be recreated. 20:53 wizzyrea well yea - except I"m not sure that it's been set up with public z39.50, now that I'm actually trying to connect to it 20:53 jcamins That would make it difficult. 20:53 jcamins However! Your test server should have a record that old. 20:53 magnuse or use the rss - easier 20:54 wizzyrea derrr 20:54 jcamins magnuse: ooh, good call. 20:55 wizzyrea ohh - it doesn't work with rss 20:55 magnuse hm, the sorting seems to be um, interesting though... 20:55 jcamins Wait... 20:55 jcamins Yeah, I just noticed that too. 20:55 jcamins Yeah. 20:55 wizzyrea good idea though 20:55 jcamins So you use your database access to your test server to try and locate this record. 20:55 jcamins Or you do a report. 20:56 jcamins SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE marcxml LIKE '%dearie%' ORDER BY biblionumber; 20:56 jcamins ^^ do this on your test server. 20:57 magnuse the titles in the rss are different for limit=7 and limit=8 :-( 20:57 jcamins magnuse: you want count=7 and count=8 20:57 wizzyrea I did that 20:57 wizzyrea nothing looked untoward, and we did searches on all of hose biblios 20:57 wizzyrea and those searches all succeeded. 20:58 wizzyrea in fact, my query was exactly that :) 20:58 wizzyrea hose biblios! 20:58 jcamins Hrm. 20:58 * wizzyrea imagines a fire hose spewing marc data 20:58 wizzyrea pshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 20:58 magnuse jcamins: gah! 20:59 rangi have you done one for that char? 20:59 wizzyrea OH 20:59 wizzyrea hmm no 20:59 * wizzyrea looks up which one it is 21:00 rangi its not a valid one, thats the problem :) 21:00 * magnuse realises he is too tired for this and wanders off to sleep a little 21:00 wizzyrea well but I don't know how it's invalid 21:00 wizzyrea so how can I look for it? 21:01 wizzyrea sorry, not making the leap 21:01 wizzyrea lol. 21:01 rangi try like "%\xC2%" it might work 21:01 * wizzyrea will try it, is dubious 21:01 jcamins According to the documentation, MySQL doesn't allow escapes like that. 21:01 wizzyrea :) 21:02 wizzyrea well I did not in fact look for xC2 21:02 wizzyrea so I will :) 21:02 jcamins "\x is not X" 21:02 rangi try without the \ then 21:02 jcamins Let me try that again. 21:02 jcamins "\x is x" 21:03 wizzyrea it's chomping on that 21:03 wizzyrea nom nom 21:03 wizzyrea ty for the suggestions btw 21:03 wizzyrea oo 11 of them! 21:04 wizzyrea oh oh pokemon… let's try that one 21:11 mtj wizzyrea eythain showed me a way to regex thru a marc file to locate a glitchy record 21:11 * wizzyrea perks up 21:11 wizzyrea do tell. 21:11 wizzyrea now, question 21:11 wizzyrea would it be in marcxml 21:11 wizzyrea or in marc 21:12 mtj .. but it requires the marc data to be dumped to a file 21:12 wizzyrea what if it's in the title? 21:12 mtj so no awesome sql regex foo , from me :/ 21:12 jcamins wizzyrea: MARCXML. 21:12 wahanui well, marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml 21:12 wajasu cait: the info about -n -t vs -t is what i needed. thx. 21:12 jcamins Possibly also marc. 21:13 mtj yeah, prolly both fields, yeah? 21:13 wizzyrea and the xslt comes from marcxml- but it does it in both so 21:13 wizzyrea hmm 21:13 * wizzyrea ponders 21:13 cait wajasu: ideally the preview should match the real thing... in the end 21:13 cait wajasu: it's bad it doesn#t right now :( 21:13 jcamins wizzyrea: both use MARCXML, I think, because rebuild_zebra does. 21:14 jcamins Yeah, marcxml. 21:15 wizzyrea I suppose 21:15 wizzyrea the problem could be in the index 21:15 wajasu i'm going to attempt to write a Overdues.t and add tests to validate and document whats supposed to be happening. 21:15 wizzyrea but you would think that there would be something funky in the record that would cause it 21:15 wizzyrea … but it could be a spontaneous bit-flip I guess? 21:16 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha 3.8.4 released http://t.co/OOawI8FF" 21:17 jcamins No, not likely to be the index. 21:17 jcamins \xC2 is definitely MARC-8. 21:17 wajasu cait: you might be able to explain why i can do "git log" and see 7447 (adding --date) in overdue_notice.pl in master, but no such option exists in my overdue_notice.pl 21:17 cait I am not sure I can 21:18 cait in mine it did exist 21:18 mtj jcamins, how do you know that? 21:18 cait or des 21:18 cait does 21:18 mtj thats its marc-8? 21:18 jcamins mtj: 'cause I've seen it. 21:19 mtj wizzyrea, id REALLY like to see a good way to fix your problem 21:19 wizzyrea indeed :) 21:19 mtj .. either some sql foo, or a command-line tool 21:19 jcamins mtj: https://github.com/jcamins/cataloggen/blob/master/sanitize.pl 21:20 jcamins Ignore the headers, which are inaccurate. 21:20 mtj jcamins++ nice :) 21:20 cait wajasu: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=misc/cronjobs/overdue_notices.pl;h=50d53d49dc4a6aab9615e5455b88b99770fcdc10;hp=cb9ffa2ec683a63dd90ffe1215ede6af2a89e3b0;hb=d094e24af9bcb91eaedabd078fe7ecf4868860d7;hpb=2102895ab55a8e9ceb6b9a64dc7a2ab7fd739978 21:22 wajasu cait: i git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git kohaclone and "vi misc/cronjobs/overdue_notice.pl" and don't see any of that new stuff. but git clone shows it inthe history. is it in some special branch? 21:23 cait no it's master 21:23 cait are you stil running a standard installaton? 21:23 wajasu yes. 21:23 cait that will not work 21:24 mtj marcgrep.pl -> https://github.com/marktriggs/marcgrep 21:24 cait you will need a dev installl 21:24 cait where all the files are in git 21:24 cait with standard they are scattered in different directories not git controlled 21:24 mtj oops, not .pl , but java 21:25 mtj http://en.pusc.it/bib/MARCgrep 21:25 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "Statistics for #kohails 3.8.4 http://t.co/RqmKJSQz" 21:26 wajasu i am doing the whole perl Makefile.PL, make,make install when i test with standard. 21:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #141: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/141/ 21:30 jenkins_koha * f.demians: 3.8.4 Translation Update 21:30 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: 3.8.4 Release notes 21:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #142 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:30 cait wajasu: you will have to do that every time you pull 21:31 cait it's really easier with a dev install 21:31 cait harder to go wrong 21:31 cait and every time you change a file 21:31 cait and here is always the chance you forget to copy something and it takes forever to run all the scripts 21:32 Brooke razzin frazzin /t shortcut 21:32 cait maybe put the date of the next meeting? 21:32 Brooke lemme go look it up :) 21:34 Brooke pfft arrows don't work right 21:35 rangi wtf .. that guy is so random 21:39 wajasu cait: but I still think i should see the 7447 changes. if you do just after a git clone git://... something must not be right. i just did a fresh clone and no --date option. 21:40 cait and you are looking at the git controlled file? 21:40 wajasu yes 21:40 cait and git pull says you are up to date? 21:40 wajasu master branch. nothing changed. 21:41 wajasu Already up-to-date. 21:41 cait maybe you are tracking the wrong branch? 21:41 wajasu is there a git hash i can report to you to see if we are in sync? 21:42 cait just do a git log 21:42 cait and look at the latest commit 21:43 wajasu git log => 322a9c7fbbcf456084d1937f48345b3cdec058ce its the Bug 5600 21:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script 21:43 wajasu very tiny followup 21:43 cait that's right 21:43 wahanui I know. 21:44 cait maybe scroll down - i see it not in the options on top of the overdues file, but in the pod below 21:45 wajasu you are right. my bad. 21:46 wajasu i think i tried using it and got an error. maybe the date needed to be just right. 21:46 wizzyrea jcamins++ 21:46 wizzyrea yaz client ftw 21:47 wizzyrea deep, strange magic 21:48 wajasu so i'll work on getting zebra_messages in sync. if i write a test, and its got lots of SQL should i put it in t/db_dependent? 21:51 rangi if it depends on having a db, then yes, if you did it with DBD::Mock then no 21:52 wajasu ok 22:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #142: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/142/ 22:32 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bump version number 23:08 jcamins_away mtj++ 23:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Statistics for 3.8.4 http://t.co/KmxM9xON"