Time Nick Message 22:27 rangi meeting time brb 22:18 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 22:18 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:18 cait and closes lots of tabs 22:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Allow to specify a date in overdue_notice.pl 22:18 * cait growls at bug 7447 22:11 cait writing up my test case for wajasu now before failing 22:06 rangi its not urgent 22:06 cait will try before work 22:06 rangi :) 22:06 rangi ahh not today 22:06 cait too late today 22:06 cait I will have to create a new database for that 22:06 rangi i bet its better than master 22:06 rangi try 3.8.x 22:06 cait yeah 22:06 rangi in master? 22:06 cait but it's still majorly broken :( 22:05 cait that's good 22:05 cait oh 22:05 rangi so i dont need to push 8607 22:05 rangi just master 22:05 rangi so yeah 3.8.x doesnt have that bug 22:05 rangi nope 22:05 rangi actually i think 7447 isnt in 3.8 22:04 cait I hate when we break stuff that I tested and tested and tested 22:04 rangi ah yeah 22:04 cait it doesn't 22:04 cait 2 letters 22:04 cait it should have given me a first notice and a second notice 22:04 rangi hmm ? 22:04 cait the fix you did once... is undone 22:04 cait but... 22:04 rangi sweet 22:03 cait but all items show up in the notice 22:03 cait doesn't output fines 22:03 rangi the upside is, we spotted 8607 doing this 22:03 cait but the first patch works allright 22:03 cait yeah I will 22:03 rangi ah well, fail qa, thats better than leaving it in needs signoff 22:03 cait it breaks the way the notices are done 22:03 cait wajasu's patch doesn't work :( 22:03 cait yeah 22:02 cait Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at overdue_notices.pl line 683 22:02 rangi good you spotted that before the release 22:02 cait i still get errors with the patch running the script - but warnings 22:02 cait makes sense 22:02 rangi actually im pushing to 8607, there's no way it can work without that change 22:02 cait yeah, you can't test the fine syntax without applying 8607 - I only have to check how broken it is without using th efine syntax changes 22:01 cait it's not giving me a list of items, but only one item whre it should be 2 22:01 cait worse 22:01 cait and what's wirth 22:01 rangi yeah it probably wont without 8607 22:01 cait it#s still not outputting the fine 22:01 cait for me at least 22:01 cait because that is not working :( 22:01 cait i have to undo the fine patch and check again 22:01 cait yeah 22:00 rangi it's a tiny patch (8607) 22:00 cait but I stil have to check the contents of the messages 22:00 cait so that's one step further from having the script explodeon me 22:00 rangi sweet 22:00 cait and I got messages created 21:59 cait I got the fines 21:59 cait working on it 21:59 rangi can you confirm that bug 8607 works, if so ill push it to 3.8.x for 3.8.4 21:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , overdue_notices is broken 21:54 cait bug 8607 21:54 cait 8607 21:53 cait eek 21:52 * wizzyrea likes this game 21:52 wizzyrea mhm. 21:52 wahanui wizzyrea: Internet outage 21:52 wizzyrea excuse? 21:50 cait ah... that's nice 21:50 wahanui cait: Jupiter is aligned with Mars. 21:50 cait excuse? 21:47 wizzyrea oh good 21:47 rangi thats in there 21:47 * wizzyrea wants to add sunspots 21:47 cait hmmm 21:47 wizzyrea how do you add an excuse? 21:47 wahanui cait: Someone has messed up the kernel pointers 21:47 cait excuse? 21:47 wahanui cait: Our ISP is having {switching,routing,SMDS,frame relay} problems 21:47 cait excuse? 21:47 wahanui cait: Redundant ACLs. 21:47 cait excuse? 21:46 wizzyrea KEKE 21:46 wahanui wizzyrea: operation failed because: there is no message for this error (#1014) 21:46 wizzyrea wahanui: excuse? 21:46 wizzyrea mmmm yes 21:46 rangi there you go 21:46 wahanui rangi: Mouse has out-of-cheese-error 21:46 rangi wahanui: excuse? 21:45 cait sunspots :) 21:44 wizzyrea yea, that usually is a cure all 21:43 wizzyrea hehe 21:43 * wizzyrea goes with suspots. 21:43 rangi id try checking it out and in again 21:43 wizzyrea 3 M class ones, even. 21:43 wizzyrea oh, we did have sunspots today 21:43 wizzyrea sunspot 21:43 wizzyrea or something 21:43 wizzyrea and chalk it up to a network error. 21:43 wizzyrea :P 21:42 wizzyrea the simple solution to this is to just manually writeoff the $15 and lift her debarment manually. 21:42 wizzyrea but... 21:42 wizzyrea I wonder about checking it out to the patron again and checking it in 21:42 rangi hehe 21:41 wizzyrea now it just says "not checked out" - bc it is, in fact, not checked out 21:40 * wizzyrea tries all the check in boxes 21:40 wizzyrea but… how could they return it that it would not trigger the process. 21:39 wizzyrea yea, precisely ^^ 21:39 rangi hmm that is weird, it should have lodged a credit balancing at zero 21:39 cait maybe somehting with the way it was retunred? 21:39 cait hm. 21:39 wizzyrea the lost status was removed, ok. it was checked in, ok. but it didn't come off of the account - WEIRD. 21:38 wizzyrea or didn't happen, as the case may be. 21:38 wizzyrea weird. I can't explain why that happened. 21:27 cait yeah, it was a recent thing on bugzila 21:27 cait we are not using the lost workflow yet 21:27 wizzyrea but I don't think that stuff is in my version 21:27 cait or somehing, not sure 21:27 wizzyrea yea, I think you're right 21:27 wizzyrea well this is 3.6.4 so it could just be buggy 21:27 cait I think it's supposed to be a syspref 21:27 rangi hmm there were some changes around that recently, im not sure if they were pushed or not though 21:26 wizzyrea ty - also, weird - I have an example where returning the item didn't take it off of someone's account 21:24 rangi wizzyrea: Lost Returned 21:24 rangi curl -s http://animals.ivolo.me/ 21:24 rangi hehe 21:22 wizzyrea What is LR in accountlines? 21:16 cait at least it cooled down a bit :( the thunderstorm missed us by just a little bit 21:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 21:16 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:15 wizzyrea unusual lightning. 21:15 wizzyrea just crazy lightning 21:15 wizzyrea oh yea, saw that - I guess there were also "freak" lightning storms in japan and taiwan 21:12 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-weather/7513265/Lightning-storm-hits-Wellington (was loud last night) 21:07 jcamins In which case we curse it frequently. 21:07 jcamins Unless we are me. 21:07 jcamins With the fixed default, we just don't notice that the sorting implementation is brittle. 21:06 cait and heya jcamins :) 21:06 cait ah cool :) 21:06 jcamins cait: it is, but it also is a problem with the sorting. 21:06 rangi it is, but 8012 fixes that cait 21:05 cait I think it's maybe missing default values in sql/pref file? 21:03 wizzyrea hehe 21:02 jcamins Yeah, I agree. 21:02 rangi someone should rewrite it 21:01 jcamins Wouldn't it be nice if sorting weren't so brittle? 21:00 wizzyrea that is precisely what I observed 21:00 wizzyrea ya, exactly 21:00 rangi that ^^ 21:00 rangi A little investigation showed that this value is actually initialized NULL--which you can't set in the interface--which shows "ascending." But the actual behavior of the sort is kinda screwy by that. To me, it makes sense to initialize the value to SOMETHING... 21:00 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:00 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard well cool, looks like there's a separate bug for that problem which means *your* patch WORKS and I'll sign off :D 21:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8012 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Passed QA , defaultSortOrder and OPACdefaultSortOrder are set to "ascending" on install 21:00 rangi bug 8012 20:59 wizzyrea okies 20:59 rangi sounds good to me 20:59 wizzyrea ya? 20:58 wizzyrea oh cool - so I should not worry about that problem and sign off on this part, because it does work once the sort order is set properly 20:58 * jcamins agrees with rangi about the existence of the bug. 20:58 * druthb waves, and runs out. 20:58 rangi im pretty sure i signed it off 20:58 rangi ahh yes theres a bug for that wizzyrea 20:57 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 20:57 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard I found the problem I think - it looks like the default value of ascending isn't actually set - you have to switch it to another and then back to ascending, and then it works re: bug 8657 20:56 rangi http://heimatseeker.tumblr.com/post/29743228677/soup-hub 20:53 rangi :) 20:52 cait but have to configure my database first.. *sigh* 20:52 cait <fine> 20:52 cait rangi: I will try and tackle the fine code 20:48 rangi cya oleonard 20:48 oleonard Gotta run. See you tomorrow #koha 20:44 oleonard Okay, fail that puppy 20:43 wizzyrea yea sorry, oleonard I don't think that is working :/ 20:41 * druthb cheers wizzyrea too, then hits the scroll buffer to see what we're cheerin' about. 20:41 * rangi puts that on his to do list 20:41 rangi i wonder if we can ask nengard to switch off the reposting of old videos, confuzzles people 20:41 * cait cheers wizzyrea on and looks at rangi's bug suggestions 20:41 * wizzyrea clears the cache and what not 20:40 wizzyrea even though the prefs are set to call number 20:40 wizzyrea I have the patch on, mine still says relevance 20:40 oleonard Not a good sound. 20:40 wizzyrea hrmm 20:40 oleonard Yes 20:40 wizzyrea ? 20:39 wizzyrea and when you search, the drop down should say "call number" 20:38 wizzyrea gotya 20:38 oleonard wizzyrea: The update is only there to catch installations where they have it set to an invalid value 20:38 * wizzyrea rolls it back and tries again 20:37 wizzyrea it has to be set before the patch is applied - I get it 20:37 oleonard wizzyrea: It won't do anything if your defaultSortField pref isn't set to call number 20:37 * wizzyrea blames haarp 20:37 wizzyrea hmm 20:37 druthb It's quite a bit hotter than that, in my office, wizzyrea...seems to be a focussing point for the sun's rays in here somehow. 20:37 wizzyrea no, it just doesn't do it? 20:37 oleonard wizzyrea: :( Do you get an error? 20:36 wizzyrea dewd, it is not that hot here 20:36 * druthb melts a lil 20:36 rangi i already signed off on that but it failed qa because of css stuff 20:36 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.1°C (3:33 PM CDT on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 20:36 druthb @wunder 66046 20:36 wizzyrea oleonard: on 8657, I can't seem to get the db update to go 20:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8637 critical, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , Lack of control on mandatory in orderreveive.tt 20:36 rangi or bug 8637 20:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 20:35 rangi bug 8378 20:34 cait is there something in between? 20:34 rangi cait: hard one or easy one? 20:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.8°C (10:30 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:34 cait @wunder konstanz 20:33 cait must have been very close 20:33 cait that was loud thunder 20:33 cait oh wow 20:33 cait rangi: you can hand me a new one 20:33 cait marcelr failed my bug 20:33 libsysguy its got that new code smell too 20:33 cait oh 20:32 libsysguy lol 20:32 libsysguy the new stuff looks so much better 20:32 libsysguy I can't I'm too depressed now looking back at the old calendar code 20:32 rangi hehe 20:32 rangi you may now return to your comic book discussions 20:31 rangi the rest of you are safe 20:31 rangi and now ive caught up on the bug mail 20:31 libsysguy gun slinger rangi 20:31 cait :) 20:31 libsysguy man he had that one ready 20:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8659 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera 20:31 rangi you get bug 8659 20:31 oleonard I have IE 9 20:30 * libsysguy has a mac 20:30 rangi who has IE ? 20:29 wizzyrea but I"ll do that one next 20:29 wizzyrea ;) 20:29 rangi ohh cool 20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8644 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , jQueryUI CSS file should not contain customizations 20:29 * wizzyrea is currently working on bug 8644 20:29 rangi hehe 20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Default sort by call number does not work 20:29 rangi wizzyrea: bug 8657 20:29 wizzyrea k ty 20:29 libsysguy in 3.8 20:29 libsysguy wizzyrea top search 20:28 wizzyrea or anywhere there are tabs 20:28 wizzyrea oleonard - an example of the jquery-ui tabs? 20:28 cait rangi is handing out bugs :) 20:28 cait uhoh 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8656 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Koha::Calendar not loading both sets of special dates 20:27 rangi libsysguy: bug 8656 20:27 cait suitcase 20:26 druthb how I'm gonna get that dagger on a plane, though...hm. 20:25 druthb http://porkiepuss.tumblr.com/image/16761223099 <--awesome cosplay of Pixie. I'm there. 20:24 rangi hehe 20:24 oleonard Sorry rangi we're pretty swamped with this whole X-men thing 20:24 cait it would help if someone sends me chocolate cookies... 20:24 cait I will try to continue on th z39.50 thing before going to sleep 20:24 cait heh 20:24 druthb So let it be written; so let it be done. 20:24 rangi 64 bugs in need sign off, i bet we can get that below 50 by the end of the week if each person does 2 20:24 druthb wizzyrea says it is so. 20:23 wizzyrea let's just say it does 20:22 oleonard Oh, there's a mutant "with the ability to easily understand any language, whether verbal or written." I wonder if that extends to programming languages? 20:21 libsysguy why do they need so many variables 20:21 libsysguy I blame google search 20:21 oleonard gesundheit, libsysguy 20:21 * druthb points the youth at various url shorteners 20:20 wizzyrea yea, I can see that. 20:20 druthb ahem! 20:20 libsysguy https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=colossus&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1412&bih=1008&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=U5syUP_NHcfE2gXC0YC4Ag#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=x+men+last+stand+colossus&oq=x+men+last+stand+col&gs_l=img.3.0.0.2096.3053.4.3856.4.3.0.1.1.0.81.230.3.3.0...0.0...1c.LZAvmuQQMXU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=1778fb004874edcf&biw=1412&bih=1008 20:20 druthb Love the outfit, too. 20:20 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Frost here we go - an urbane mutant telepath with a well-noted dry wit 20:19 druthb Ah'm there! 20:19 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_(X-Men) 20:19 druthb ! 20:19 wizzyrea there's a "pixie" 20:19 wizzyrea oh druthb 20:19 wizzyrea iunno. 20:19 druthb wizzy, you'd look...erm...majestic in that, but it looks hot and uncomfortable. 20:19 rangi wizzyrea: i dunno thats the worst thing i could think of 20:19 wizzyrea or something 20:18 wizzyrea you mean like an expo 20:18 rangi (its on at 3am nz time) 20:18 wizzyrea booths? 20:18 rangi and we end up with booths or something 20:18 rangi i cant make the meeting, i deputise you all to make sure it doesnt go off the rails in some mental fashion 20:18 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilandra O.o 20:18 rangi speaking of kohacon13 20:18 druthb hush, you. 20:18 libsysguy sees a spandex shortage in the future 20:18 wizzyrea outfit* 20:18 wizzyrea umm, scratch majestrix - I would not look good in that outfig. 20:17 druthb +1 20:17 oleonard Okay, so KohaCon13 is a combination Koha/X-Men cosplay conference? 20:17 libsysguy and now my day is gone 20:17 druthb Majestrix? Definitely fits you, wizzyrea 20:17 * druthb would love Shadowcat's powers. Tha'd be cool. 20:16 wizzyrea though Lilandra, Majestrix of the Shi'ar Empire has a nice ring to it 20:16 wizzyrea if I were more psychokinetic I'd be jean grey 20:15 libsysguy well there is storm, gene... 20:15 druthb Clearly thought up by some sexist *man*. X-Men, indeed....what about X-Women, too? 20:15 libsysguy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(comics) 20:15 libsysguy fine, dibs on colossus 20:15 * wizzyrea looks up who all is in the xmen 20:14 oleonard There aren't enough nerdy, sedentary X-men to go around 20:14 * wizzyrea dies 20:14 cait what about me? 20:14 libsysguy :'( 20:14 druthb bag is. 20:14 druthb you're not hairy enough for that libsysguy. 20:14 wizzyrea hehe 20:14 cait when will you learn? :) 20:14 cait wizzyrea: no drink and reading koha chat! 20:14 libsysguy I want wolverine 20:14 rangi if you guys keep breakng everything i soon will be 20:14 libsysguy oh oh can we all have xmen names 20:14 * wizzyrea snorts water 20:14 * druthb wonders what role she will get. 20:13 libsysguy rangi you're bald? 20:13 druthb oooo... 20:13 cait but without a wheelchair I hope? 20:13 * wizzyrea likes this analogy 20:13 cait lol 20:13 oleonard rangi is Koha's Doctor Xavier 20:13 rangi yep and cjh 20:13 libsysguy ruine all my fun 20:13 libsysguy damn it rangi 20:13 wizzyrea and chris hall 20:13 rangi they beat you by ages 20:13 druthb cait: have you seen pictures of libsysguy? 20:13 rangi i have the academy kids 20:12 rangi naw 20:12 libsysguy yup I get the youngest title now too, since pianohacker is gone 20:12 cait not fair 20:12 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA 20:12 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea? 20:12 cait what hottest and youngest? 20:12 druthb lulz 20:12 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer 20:12 druthb wahanui: libsysguy 20:11 druthb see? 20:11 jcamins Hey, exercise is important! 20:10 libsysguy just like jcamins 20:10 druthb Exercise. 20:10 libsysguy because I'm a bad apple 20:10 cait why would you kick him? 20:10 libsysguy hehe 20:10 cait oh 20:10 druthb he's saying "we", but he's the only one who'd get kicked, by me anyway, so he must. 20:09 wizzyrea he has a mouse in his pocket? 20:09 druthb if by "we" you mean, yourself, and the mouse in your pocket, then yes, libsysguy. 20:09 libsysguy we'd all be kicked 20:08 druthb The only thing that'd be scarier is if I had an op-star. 20:08 * wizzyrea readies the crate of trouts she keeps under her desk for just such occasions 20:08 cait heh 20:08 libsysguy druthb is on the loose 20:08 libsysguy cait run 20:08 * druthb pokes cait, to thank her for the reminder 20:07 * druthb pokes libsysguy 20:07 cait heh 20:07 libsysguy catches* 20:07 * libsysguy catching skittle in mid air with teeth 20:06 libsysguy its coming cait 20:06 cait libsysguy: be glad yougot spared the poking phase 20:06 cait libsysguy: she is being silly today 20:05 * druthb gets out her slingshot, puts a red Skittle in it, and takes aim at libsysguy 20:03 libsysguy not that anybody cares that much about closed days 20:03 libsysguy reports++ 20:03 libsysguy I want to see events for closures on mo/we/fr 20:02 libsysguy it could increase the efficiency of searching from the database 20:02 rangi as long as it stores times too 20:02 libsysguy i think it would be better for searching too 20:02 rangi in that case a table is better 20:01 libsysguy either way you have to take the intersection of the 2 sets 20:01 libsysguy you would have a separate event or an exception 20:00 oleonard cait: Yeah, and it should have been simple to split it up if there had been the will to do so 20:00 jcamins rangi: I thought that's what this feature was for? 20:00 cait rangi: now you getmean :) 20:00 rangi what if your library is closed different days on different weeks 20:00 cait oleonard: it was just untestable :( 20:00 cait wb rangi 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) 20:00 * oleonard regrets that some of the good ideas in Bug 5872 were abandoned 19:59 libsysguy rangi ^^ 19:59 rangi back 19:58 druthb aww... 19:58 libsysguy I just want to make the best decision so that somebody doesn't say about me what I am saying about the person who wrote the calendar now 19:58 * jcamins chuckles. 19:58 libsysguy hehe 19:58 libsysguy druthb thats not funny :'( 19:57 cait huh? 19:57 cait it was way too hot here today, I am still recovering from cooked brain 19:57 * druthb loves watching the hapless youth flailing. 19:57 libsysguy hehe 19:57 cait :) 19:57 cait I dunno 19:57 libsysguy it would keep the data normal but would cost you a table 19:56 libsysguy or I could take it a step further and create a week_days_closed table, that would only be one join 19:56 cait but I am not the data structure expert here 19:56 cait sounds not too bad to me :) 19:55 libsysguy err day of the week 19:55 libsysguy what if instead of serializing the data I just enter a column for each weekday 19:55 libsysguy ok second thought 19:52 libsysguy ballocs this is going to take some time to re-arrange 19:52 rangi Brb 19:52 libsysguy yeah joins in an already stressed db could spell disaster 19:51 libsysguy in that case, onward and upward 19:51 jcamins Hm, that's true about the joins. 19:51 libsysguy ah ok 19:51 rangi And the session uses it already 19:51 libsysguy well that would be nice 19:51 libsysguy ahh 19:51 rangi It's core I think 19:50 libsysguy Storable* 19:50 libsysguy this will introduce a new dep I think 19:49 libsysguy yeah I suppose it does. I don't know of an effective way to normalize weekdays 19:49 rangi You end up with a nightmare of joins in that case if you store each date as a row 19:48 rangi A serialized object makes sense to me 19:48 libsysguy since the format function croaks with spans of dates 19:48 libsysguy then parse it to build a set of closed days 19:47 libsysguy and I need to store a list of days 19:47 jcamins My inner "I don't want to debug your mess" voice wants to normalize the data structure as well. :P 19:47 libsysguy well its for the calendar, after I found out the parse function was crap 19:47 rangi Yep 19:47 libsysguy yeah that's probably what I should do, but my inner database junky wants to normalize the datastructure 19:46 jcamins But I'd want to be very sure that you really wanted to store an array and weren't trying to cheat and store multiple values in one field by storing an array. 19:46 jcamins Or you could do that. 19:46 rangi And store that 19:46 rangi I'd use Perl to serialise them 19:45 jcamins What about normalizing the structure? 19:45 libsysguy me too :-/ 19:45 rangi I hate both ideas 19:45 libsysguy should I just store them with a delimiter or perhaps use the ENUM function? 19:44 libsysguy anybody have protips for storing an array of strings in the database? 19:41 hankbank verily! forsooth...this is how I feel about this our shared endeavour 19:41 jcamins That's a good quote. 19:41 rangi You should reply to my Tolkien quote with that 19:41 * oleonard would have accepted that 19:40 hankbank “O wonder!How many goodly creatures are there here!How beauteous mankind is! O brave new worldThat has such people in't!†The Tempest Act 5, scene 1, 181–184 19:40 jcamins hankbank: which quote? 19:39 hankbank It was either that or post a quote from shakespeare 19:38 wizzyrea lol 19:37 hankbank :) 19:37 oleonard It is not necessary to prostrate yourself upon entry 19:36 hankbank I am not worthy 19:32 cait morning rangi 19:31 rangi Morning 18:46 cait [off] ah :) 18:35 chris_n [off] I replied to the pg vs mysql email ;-) 18:29 cait [off] oh? 18:28 chris_n [off] obviously I failed jcamins ' test 18:26 cait oleonard++ 18:13 mib_21en8s i m grateful for ur help.. thanx 18:11 oleonard Administration -> System Preferences -> Enhanced Content 18:10 mib_21en8s please specify where in preference 18:09 oleonard does that make sense mib_21en8s ? 18:08 oleonard Turn on the "GoogleJackets" system preference. 18:07 mib_21en8s yes 18:07 oleonard mib_21en8s: Do you mean book cover images from Google Books? 18:07 mib_21en8s how to embed google page cover preview in koha 18:06 oleonard Yes, do you have a question mib_21en8s ? 18:06 mib_21en8s anybody online 17:13 jcamins False alarm. 17:13 jcamins Never mind. 17:13 jcamins Wrong number of parentheses. 17:13 jcamins Got it. 17:12 jcamins I'm getting told that .html() doesn't have a replace method. 17:12 jcamins I thought you used something like $('element').html($('element').html().replace(/text/, 'whatever')); 17:11 jcamins oleonard: the part I'm having trouble with is replace() 17:11 oleonard There's text(): http://api.jquery.com/text/ 17:11 oleonard Depends what you're doing 17:10 jcamins oleonard: is there an easy way to replace text with jQuery? 16:56 mbalmer hi #kohaistas 16:54 oleonard Although batch item modification doesn't let you pick what framework you're using.. That's a potential friction point 16:53 jcamins oleonard: we should. 16:51 oleonard Should we not block deletion of subfields marked mandatory in batch item modification? 16:42 oleonard :) 16:38 libsysguy thanks for that oleonard 16:38 libsysguy but now I might 16:38 libsysguy no not that one 16:34 oleonard Not Ko-Hails? 16:33 libsysguy every time I see the tweetbot I read it as Koha Ails 16:27 * wizzyrea giggles 16:27 jcamins lol 16:27 oleonard [off] Oh, did I fail the test? 16:26 jcamins [off] Look how restrained I am, not responding. 15:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Web-Based Self Checkout in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/sAjwWLda" 15:31 tcohen :-( 15:31 tcohen i'm having trouble finding that 'The ' string 15:31 tcohen kf, you're right 15:29 kf I am melting - bbl :) 15:28 kf so thatwould explain the difference between old and new translation 15:28 kf I think maybe someting changed in the template - like the pref getting linked 15:26 tcohen i hope you ignore mine :-d 15:26 kf hm and ignore all my typos, it's entirely too warm here 15:26 kf I think getting the parser correct to catch every possible variabtion correctly is hard :( 15:26 tcohen I understand it kf, thanks 15:25 kf I amnot saying that this is ideal or shoudl happen... but it can happen 15:25 kf that's why the translation is currently wrong 15:25 kf yep exactly 15:25 kf http://translate.koha-community.org/es/38/translate.html?unit=3553501 15:25 tcohen you mean it is stripped into several parts for translating them in parts instead of alltogether? 15:24 kf sarch pootle for is set to 'Allow' 15:24 kf I think it's ok too for other langauges 15:24 tcohen the spanish translation for that line is ok 15:23 tcohen <li>The <span class="link">EnhancedMessagingPreferences</span> is set to 'Allow'</li> 15:23 tcohen the line says: 15:23 kf and I think enhancedmessagespreferenc is linked? 15:23 kf there are probably more strings for that line 15:23 kf sometimes the parser doesn't get links right 15:23 kf tcohen: the line will not get translated currently 15:23 tcohen the thing is that the spanish translated line looks ok if you compare to the line in the file 15:22 tcohen i just used my cloned git repo 15:22 tcohen mm, no 15:21 kf do you have a link to the file? 15:20 kf sometimes the programmakes werid suggestions, but it's marked fuzzy 15:20 tcohen if you look at that file 15:20 kf hm I think it's probably right 15:20 kf but it'smarked fuzzy 15:20 tcohen looks like the line was not parsed ok 15:20 kf hm, that doesn't look right 15:20 tcohen intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt:84 15:19 tcohen http://translate.koha-community.org/es/38/translate.html?unit=3553504 15:19 kf but I can try 15:19 kf tcohen: not sure I can help 15:19 tcohen (parsing problem I guess) 15:18 tcohen found a problem with the .po 15:18 tcohen anyone related to koha-translate here? 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Default sort by call number does not work 15:15 oleonard Bug 8657 15:06 reiveune bye 15:02 tcohen hi #koha 14:57 kf thank you - it's the heat :( 14:57 oleonard misc/crojobs/crontab.example 14:56 kf or am I only too overheated to find it? 14:56 kf what happend to our cronjob examples file? 14:56 kf hm 14:52 wahanui search faq is probably http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 14:52 kf search faq? 14:49 oleonard Okay, so default sorting by call number really is broken. 14:42 kf hotter here too - was saying 33 earlier 14:42 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found. 14:41 asaurat @wunder Mende 14:41 eythian it's more than 32 in the lecture theatres. 14:41 asaurat ok, my new town is too hidden ;) 14:41 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found. 14:41 asaurat @wunder Saint-Chely-d'Apcher 14:41 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.6°C (4:35 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 14:40 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 32.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 14:40 eythian @wunder frankfurt 14:39 * kf plunders the fridge in the kitchen and steals some more icecream there 14:39 eythian I think this network doesn't hand over between access points 14:38 * druthb needs moar duct tape 14:37 * druthb did a lightning talk about Koha at ::NA, and it was well received. 14:35 druthb dooo eeeet, eythian. 14:35 eythian falling offline again probably 14:34 * eythian should prepare a lightening talk for one of the sessions maybe 14:30 * druthb is peeking in on the proceedings on irc.perl.org/#yapc 14:30 asaurat ah, oh, yes, nice 14:30 * eythian is at YAPC::EU 14:29 eythian asaurat: Frankfurt :) 14:29 asaurat free drinks ? where ?? 14:29 eythian_ also free ice blocks 14:28 kf eythian_: but free drinks - you got lucky :) 14:28 druthb nom nom nom 14:28 * kf hands druthb icecream so she is occupied for a while 14:28 eythian_ I think the wifi is a bit overloaded here 14:28 kf see 14:28 * druthb pokes kf 14:28 kf we already have poking ruth... 14:27 kf eythian: could you stop this jumping around? 14:27 * asaurat dies in a painful agony 14:27 kf asaurat: it's called radler sauer... 14:27 asaurat beershorle ?? i hope noone did ever try this blasphemy, it would be even worse than weinschorle :p 14:27 druthb nope. My German is really, really bad. 14:27 kf eythian: fwiw - I don't like sparkling water 14:26 kf which makes it sounds like my english is really bad... :P 14:26 * druthb finds it handy when talking to kf, occasionally. 14:26 kf beershorle = water with beer... hm. 14:26 * druthb suggests that eythian might find http://dict.leo.org/ende useful. 14:26 kf lol 14:26 asaurat Supercalifragilisticexpialidociouschorle 14:24 eythian not convinced those are words 14:24 asaurat apfelschorle, warum nicht... aber weinschorle ????? 14:24 eythian sorry for your loss of tastebuds :) 14:23 * druthb loves sparkling water! 14:23 asaurat :D 14:22 eythian although this country's obsession with sparking water is bizarre, it tastes terrible 14:22 kf :) 14:22 eythian at this conf they're providing a large amount of free bottled water (and "apfel schorle") which is good. 14:20 * druthb pounces on gmcharlt. 14:20 oleonard gmcharlt poked a girl? Scandalous! 14:19 * gmcharlt pokes druthb right back 14:19 * druthb pokes gmcharlt 14:19 kf not sure really 14:19 eythian that'll keep you busy for a long time 14:19 gmcharlt kf: is there any other kind? ;) 14:18 kf only wondering about a weird german word :) 14:18 kf nope 14:18 eythian wrongwindow.com? 14:18 kf hm. 14:18 kf computervisualistik und design 14:18 jcamins oleonard: no. 14:17 * oleonard doesn't see any 14:17 oleonard Are local cover images supposed to be working in the staff client search results? 14:17 eythian yeah, also need to ask him about some dbix stuff later 14:16 druthb Interesting character, isn't he? 14:16 eythian no...? 14:16 kf eythiandid he lift you? 14:16 druthb :) yay! 14:16 kf oleonard: oups 14:15 eythian druthb: so I just bumped into mst 14:15 oleonard Hm, well what we seem to have is a failure to model the correct behavior kf ;) 14:15 kf hmmm... 14:15 druthb it might make her go away again, kf. 14:15 * kf pokes eythian 14:14 kf oleonard: would ignring her help or is that to cause some damage we don't want? 14:13 druthb mhm. 14:13 oleonard That's what my son is going to be saying before I know it 14:12 druthb sending me there, and making sure I arrive there, are two different problems. And I'm bigger than you are. 14:12 oleonard Yeah that's what my kids say too 14:12 druthb :P 14:11 * oleonard warns druthb that if any more poking happens she will be sent to the time-out chair 14:10 kf oleonard has kids... he will know what to do 14:10 druthb is kinda silly-happy today. 14:10 druthb :P 14:10 * druthb pokes oleonard 14:09 druthb Something like that. Since I rarely eat dessert anyway, that dun skeer me. Also, I've been going to bed early the last couple of nights. 14:09 kf maybe fixing a koha bug or two 14:08 kf no dessert and going to bed early... 14:08 oleonard What was the pokey little puppy's comeuppance? No dessert, something like that? 14:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Frankfurt / M-Flughafen, Germany is 32.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 14:08 kf @wunder frankfurt 14:08 kf now it's the same as in frankfurt 14:07 * druthb fans kf. 14:07 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 33.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 14:07 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:06 edveal Yep... 14:06 * druthb pokes edveal. 14:05 * druthb is the pokey little puppy today. 14:05 kf I was just talking to you! 14:05 druthb :P 14:05 * druthb pokes kf again. 14:05 kf I only wanted to check if he is alive 14:02 * druthb pouts 14:01 kf druthb: now you scared him away! 14:01 * magnuse says "ouch" and wanders off in search of dinner 14:00 * druthb pokes magnuse and jcamins, too 14:00 * druthb pokes kf 13:58 * kf pokes eythian 13:52 druthb I met him at YAPC::NA in June, and we had a wonderful time. Talk nearly-daily since then. 13:51 asaurat nice :) 13:51 druthb hopefully, eythian. :) 13:51 asaurat and so, someone here is meeting him soon ? 13:51 * druthb gets out the duct tape. 13:50 asaurat indeed, he was very interested in our workflow 13:50 druthb it could be; that's quite a weapon. But you won't meet a nicer guy. He's quite enthused to hear about the Koha community. 13:49 asaurat scary :D 13:48 druthb mhm. quite a lot of that is planned. 13:48 asaurat really ? he looks so spontaneous 13:47 druthb I've come to discover that a *lot* of his apparently-random wild-man behavior is calculated; he's a deep, deep thinker, and that makes him very disarming. 13:46 asaurat hehe 13:46 druthb That he is, asaurat. Surprisingly strong, for such a small, wiry man. I'm taller than he is, and weigh...uhm...somewhat over 110kg, but he jerked me off my feet like I was a child. Incredibly sweet guy. 13:45 asaurat some of us met him in Strasbourg for a Perl convention, very interesting man! 13:44 asaurat1 haha, mst is awesome :D 13:44 gmcharlt enlightened_self_interest++ 13:44 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010) 13:44 gmcharlt @quote random 13:43 druthb He'll probably be on a crutch or cane; he recently had a fairly major hip surgery--fell on a canal tow-path, and *broke it*. So you're probably safe from being hugged and yanked off your feet, which is what he did the first time he met me. 13:43 eythian time to change rooms 13:43 eythian it'd be nice to get rid of the SQL 13:43 * magnuse has met DBIx::Class briefly in the context of Catalyst, and it does seem interesting! 13:42 eythian druthb: cool, i'll keep my eyes open 13:42 magnuse yay 13:42 druthb ! 13:42 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 15.6°C (8:39 AM CDT on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 13:42 druthb @wunder 66046 13:41 magnuse there you go 13:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 13:41 magnuse @wunder boo 13:41 druthb mst is one of my favorite Perl folks--and he's the honcho for the DBIx::Class project. Nice guy, very quirky and excitable. 13:41 eythian heh OK 13:40 druthb eythian: if a strange man in a kilt comes up and greets you, acting like he's known you forever....that's mst. I told him to look for you. 13:39 eythian DBIx::Class looks pretty good, I have to say 13:38 kf I did... only not sure they believe me :) 13:37 eythian tell them it's OK, I'll be back on Thursday :) 13:37 eythian haha 13:37 kf eythian: everybody is asking about you - they probabyl think I pushed you into the lake or something over the weekend 13:37 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 33.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:37 eythian @wunder frankfurt 13:37 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.3°C (3:30 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 13:37 kf @wunder Konstanz 13:37 eythian stinking hot, otherwise nice 13:37 kf it's entirely too warm at bsz today 13:36 kf how is frankfurt? 13:36 eythian heh 13:36 kf I stalked you this morning and looked at your schedule - there were slides from last year :) 13:36 eythian yeah 13:36 kf the dbx class presentation? 13:36 kf hehe 13:36 eythian It's kinda cute seeing people using "books" as an example simple data model. 13:36 kf ? 13:34 * libsysguy goes to apply for a job at houston public library :p 13:33 libsysguy indeed 13:33 libsysguy it just seemed like a huge loophole for me 13:33 oleonard Sounds like an experiment is required 13:33 libsysguy ahh ok 13:32 oleonard I'm not sure, because I don't see the circulation end of things much 13:31 oleonard Oh right. 13:31 libsysguy well to release to other patrons 13:31 oleonard libsysguy: What do you mean by "for circ" ? 13:30 oleonard Sorry, afk 13:28 wizzyrea well I'm not sure either, and I don't have overdrive anymore 13:27 libsysguy but I wasn't sure how the DRM worked 13:27 libsysguy that is what I thought too 13:27 wizzyrea on the date due 13:27 wizzyrea and what I mean is - even if the book getting "checked in" on the kindle doesn't work, I suspect that overdrive still makes it available to other patrons 13:26 wizzyrea but I don't know that for certain 13:26 wizzyrea overdrive is going to expire that book 13:26 wizzyrea my thought is that it doesn't matter if the DRM works on the end user device 13:24 libsysguy but I wasn't sure if the system returned the item for circ or not 13:24 libsysguy I had a friend tell me if you turned the wifi off before the return date you could keep the book as long as you want 13:23 libsysguy well I was wondering how returns work for kindles 13:23 wizzyrea oleonard might though 13:23 libsysguy ah 13:23 wizzyrea i may not know the answer to that, we gave up overdrive a year or so ago 13:22 libsysguy hey oleonard and wizzyrea I have a question about overdrive 13:21 wizzyrea ! 13:21 wizzyrea heya1 13:21 * druthb waves with both hands. 13:21 druthb hi, oleonard and wizzyrea! :D 13:19 wizzyrea hi oleonard 13:19 oleonard Hi #koha 13:19 * wizzyrea waves 12:48 magnuse well, i actually i don't know enough about perl6 to know if it would be a good idea or not... 12:39 jcamins lol 12:37 magnuse yay! ;-) 12:36 druthb he'll have it done before lunch, magnuse. He's just like that. 12:34 magnuse jcamins: you up for it? ;-) 12:18 jcamins I saw that. 12:18 magnuse probably unreliable wifi 12:17 magnuse yeah, he dropped by briefly 12:16 kf oh, was he here? 12:15 magnuse jcamins: eythian wants you to rewrite koha in perl6 ;-) 12:15 magnuse kia ora jcamins 12:12 kf hi jcamins 12:11 marcelr hi jcamins 12:11 kf hi #kohq 12:10 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 10:42 kf back :) 10:18 * magnuse envies eythian a little 09:43 * eythian is watching Larry Wall demonstrate Perl 6. I propose jcamins_away converts Koha to it. 09:28 saa i am trying to configure koha 3.8.3 on livecd but cpan perl modules are not getting configureed especially Readonly::XS on ubuntu 10.4 LTS. it gives compilation error of DateTime. Is there any way out to solve this problem 08:57 kf recreate any translations you might have had 08:57 kf run the script fromt he release notes... run the database update 08:57 kf and load the databasedump 08:57 kf install 08:40 Waylon okay, i want to install 3.8.3 and upgrade a database from 3.0.0 ... what do i use/do? 08:39 kf hi Waylon 08:39 Waylon Hello all! 08:25 marcelr :) 08:23 kf hi marcelr :) 08:21 gaetan_B hello :) 07:59 marcelr hi kf 07:40 kf good morning rangi, magnuse 07:40 rangi hi kf 07:40 kf good morning #koha 07:40 * kf waves 07:40 magnuse wb kf 07:40 magnuse rangi: yeah, that's what i thought 07:27 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96vH_nfXsI8&feature=plcp 07:27 rangi magnuse: in the next day or 2 07:16 sophie_m1 hello #koha 07:15 magnuse or maybe i should ask fredericd that... 07:14 magnuse rangi around? when should translations be done to make it into 3.8.4? 07:08 mbalmer allo marseille! 07:05 reiveune hi magnuse :) 07:05 magnuse bonjour reiveune 06:59 reiveune hello 06:53 mveron Hi asaurat and wahanui :-) 06:51 cait brb 06:51 cait hi asaurat :) 06:51 cait speaking of work, I should go there 06:51 wahanui que tal, asaurat 06:51 asaurat hi 06:51 cait heh 06:48 * mveron would like to have a waterproof notebook with big display or under water beamer... 06:48 cait :) 06:47 cait doesn't help much at work 06:47 mveron Hi cait, at least you have the lake of Konstanz :-) 06:45 cait I agree about it being too warm :( or it will be soon according to the weather report 06:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.6°C (8:40 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 06:45 cait @wunder konstanz 06:45 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 06:45 mveron @wunder Marseille 06:45 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found. 06:45 mveron @wunder Marseiller 06:41 julian_m hello mveron 06:41 mveron hi julian_m 06:40 julian_m hi marcelr 06:40 marcelr hi julian_m 06:39 julian_m hello 06:36 marcelr :-) 06:36 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found. 06:36 mveron @wunder Amsterdam 06:35 marcelr goedemorgen mveron 06:35 * mveron Ponders to travel to Norway... To hot here today... 06:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:34 magnuse @wunder boo 06:34 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.6°C (8:31 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 06:34 mveron @wunder Basel 06:33 mveron ...to work in the cool morning time... 06:33 magnuse europe waking up... 06:33 mveron Bonjour alex_a 06:33 magnuse kia ora marcelr and alex_a 06:32 alex_a bonjour #koha ! 06:31 mveron Daag marcelr :-) Hoe is het ermee? 06:30 marcelr hi koha 06:28 mveron :-) 06:28 magnuse mveron: impressive! :-) 06:27 mveron ...and good morning! :-) 06:27 mveron magnuse: Swiss precision... 06:27 magnuse hiya mveron and mbalmer - you are synchronized today? ;-) 06:26 mveron Hi mbalmer :-) 06:25 mbalmer Good morning #koha 06:24 mveron Good morning #koha 06:20 * magnuse waves 06:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha.