Time Nick Message 06:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 06:20 * magnuse waves 06:24 mveron Good morning #koha 06:25 mbalmer Good morning #koha 06:26 mveron Hi mbalmer :-) 06:27 magnuse hiya mveron and mbalmer - you are synchronized today? ;-) 06:27 mveron magnuse: Swiss precision... 06:27 mveron ...and good morning! :-) 06:28 magnuse mveron: impressive! :-) 06:28 mveron :-) 06:30 marcelr hi koha 06:31 mveron Daag marcelr :-) Hoe is het ermee? 06:32 alex_a bonjour #koha ! 06:33 magnuse kia ora marcelr and alex_a 06:33 mveron Bonjour alex_a 06:33 magnuse europe waking up... 06:33 mveron ...to work in the cool morning time... 06:34 mveron @wunder Basel 06:34 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.6°C (8:31 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 06:34 magnuse @wunder boo 06:34 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:35 * mveron Ponders to travel to Norway... To hot here today... 06:35 marcelr goedemorgen mveron 06:36 mveron @wunder Amsterdam 06:36 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found. 06:36 marcelr :-) 06:39 julian_m hello 06:40 marcelr hi julian_m 06:40 julian_m hi marcelr 06:41 mveron hi julian_m 06:41 julian_m hello mveron 06:45 mveron @wunder Marseiller 06:45 huginn mveron: Error: No such location could be found. 06:45 mveron @wunder Marseille 06:45 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 06:45 cait @wunder konstanz 06:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.6°C (8:40 AM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 06:45 cait I agree about it being too warm :( or it will be soon according to the weather report 06:47 mveron Hi cait, at least you have the lake of Konstanz :-) 06:47 cait doesn't help much at work 06:48 cait :) 06:48 * mveron would like to have a waterproof notebook with big display or under water beamer... 06:51 cait heh 06:51 asaurat hi 06:51 wahanui que tal, asaurat 06:51 cait speaking of work, I should go there 06:51 cait hi asaurat :) 06:51 cait brb 06:53 mveron Hi asaurat and wahanui :-) 06:59 reiveune hello 07:05 magnuse bonjour reiveune 07:05 reiveune hi magnuse :) 07:08 mbalmer allo marseille! 07:14 magnuse rangi around? when should translations be done to make it into 3.8.4? 07:15 magnuse or maybe i should ask fredericd that... 07:16 sophie_m1 hello #koha 07:27 rangi magnuse: in the next day or 2 07:27 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96vH_nfXsI8&feature=plcp 07:40 magnuse rangi: yeah, that's what i thought 07:40 magnuse wb kf 07:40 * kf waves 07:40 kf good morning #koha 07:40 rangi hi kf 07:40 kf good morning rangi, magnuse 07:59 marcelr hi kf 08:21 gaetan_B hello :) 08:23 kf hi marcelr :) 08:25 marcelr :) 08:39 Waylon Hello all! 08:39 kf hi Waylon 08:40 Waylon okay, i want to install 3.8.3 and upgrade a database from 3.0.0 ... what do i use/do? 08:57 kf install 08:57 kf and load the databasedump 08:57 kf run the script fromt he release notes... run the database update 08:57 kf recreate any translations you might have had 09:28 saa i am trying to configure koha 3.8.3 on livecd but cpan perl modules are not getting configureed especially Readonly::XS on ubuntu 10.4 LTS. it gives compilation error of DateTime. Is there any way out to solve this problem 09:43 * eythian is watching Larry Wall demonstrate Perl 6. I propose jcamins_away converts Koha to it. 10:18 * magnuse envies eythian a little 10:42 kf back :) 12:10 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 12:11 kf hi #kohq 12:11 marcelr hi jcamins 12:12 kf hi jcamins 12:15 magnuse kia ora jcamins 12:15 magnuse jcamins: eythian wants you to rewrite koha in perl6 ;-) 12:16 kf oh, was he here? 12:17 magnuse yeah, he dropped by briefly 12:18 magnuse probably unreliable wifi 12:18 jcamins I saw that. 12:34 magnuse jcamins: you up for it? ;-) 12:36 druthb he'll have it done before lunch, magnuse. He's just like that. 12:37 magnuse yay! ;-) 12:39 jcamins lol 12:48 magnuse well, i actually i don't know enough about perl6 to know if it would be a good idea or not... 13:19 * wizzyrea waves 13:19 oleonard Hi #koha 13:19 wizzyrea hi oleonard 13:21 druthb hi, oleonard and wizzyrea! :D 13:21 * druthb waves with both hands. 13:21 wizzyrea heya1 13:21 wizzyrea ! 13:22 libsysguy hey oleonard and wizzyrea I have a question about overdrive 13:23 wizzyrea i may not know the answer to that, we gave up overdrive a year or so ago 13:23 libsysguy ah 13:23 wizzyrea oleonard might though 13:23 libsysguy well I was wondering how returns work for kindles 13:24 libsysguy I had a friend tell me if you turned the wifi off before the return date you could keep the book as long as you want 13:24 libsysguy but I wasn't sure if the system returned the item for circ or not 13:26 wizzyrea my thought is that it doesn't matter if the DRM works on the end user device 13:26 wizzyrea overdrive is going to expire that book 13:26 wizzyrea but I don't know that for certain 13:27 wizzyrea and what I mean is - even if the book getting "checked in" on the kindle doesn't work, I suspect that overdrive still makes it available to other patrons 13:27 wizzyrea on the date due 13:27 libsysguy that is what I thought too 13:27 libsysguy but I wasn't sure how the DRM worked 13:28 wizzyrea well I'm not sure either, and I don't have overdrive anymore 13:30 oleonard Sorry, afk 13:31 oleonard libsysguy: What do you mean by "for circ" ? 13:31 libsysguy well to release to other patrons 13:31 oleonard Oh right. 13:32 oleonard I'm not sure, because I don't see the circulation end of things much 13:33 libsysguy ahh ok 13:33 oleonard Sounds like an experiment is required 13:33 libsysguy it just seemed like a huge loophole for me 13:33 libsysguy indeed 13:34 * libsysguy goes to apply for a job at houston public library :p 13:36 kf ? 13:36 eythian It's kinda cute seeing people using "books" as an example simple data model. 13:36 kf hehe 13:36 kf the dbx class presentation? 13:36 eythian yeah 13:36 kf I stalked you this morning and looked at your schedule - there were slides from last year :) 13:36 eythian heh 13:36 kf how is frankfurt? 13:37 kf it's entirely too warm at bsz today 13:37 eythian stinking hot, otherwise nice 13:37 kf @wunder Konstanz 13:37 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.3°C (3:30 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 13:37 eythian @wunder frankfurt 13:37 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 33.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:37 kf eythian: everybody is asking about you - they probabyl think I pushed you into the lake or something over the weekend 13:37 eythian haha 13:37 eythian tell them it's OK, I'll be back on Thursday :) 13:38 kf I did... only not sure they believe me :) 13:39 eythian DBIx::Class looks pretty good, I have to say 13:40 druthb eythian: if a strange man in a kilt comes up and greets you, acting like he's known you forever....that's mst. I told him to look for you. 13:41 eythian heh OK 13:41 druthb mst is one of my favorite Perl folks--and he's the honcho for the DBIx::Class project. Nice guy, very quirky and excitable. 13:41 magnuse @wunder boo 13:41 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 13:41 magnuse there you go 13:42 druthb @wunder 66046 13:42 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 15.6°C (8:39 AM CDT on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 13:42 druthb ! 13:42 magnuse yay 13:42 eythian druthb: cool, i'll keep my eyes open 13:43 * magnuse has met DBIx::Class briefly in the context of Catalyst, and it does seem interesting! 13:43 eythian it'd be nice to get rid of the SQL 13:43 eythian time to change rooms 13:43 druthb He'll probably be on a crutch or cane; he recently had a fairly major hip surgery--fell on a canal tow-path, and *broke it*. So you're probably safe from being hugged and yanked off your feet, which is what he did the first time he met me. 13:44 gmcharlt @quote random 13:44 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010) 13:44 gmcharlt enlightened_self_interest++ 13:44 asaurat1 haha, mst is awesome :D 13:45 asaurat some of us met him in Strasbourg for a Perl convention, very interesting man! 13:46 druthb That he is, asaurat. Surprisingly strong, for such a small, wiry man. I'm taller than he is, and weigh...uhm...somewhat over 110kg, but he jerked me off my feet like I was a child. Incredibly sweet guy. 13:46 asaurat hehe 13:47 druthb I've come to discover that a *lot* of his apparently-random wild-man behavior is calculated; he's a deep, deep thinker, and that makes him very disarming. 13:48 asaurat really ? he looks so spontaneous 13:48 druthb mhm. quite a lot of that is planned. 13:49 asaurat scary :D 13:50 druthb it could be; that's quite a weapon. But you won't meet a nicer guy. He's quite enthused to hear about the Koha community. 13:50 asaurat indeed, he was very interested in our workflow 13:51 * druthb gets out the duct tape. 13:51 asaurat and so, someone here is meeting him soon ? 13:51 druthb hopefully, eythian. :) 13:51 asaurat nice :) 13:52 druthb I met him at YAPC::NA in June, and we had a wonderful time. Talk nearly-daily since then. 13:58 * kf pokes eythian 14:00 * druthb pokes kf 14:00 * druthb pokes magnuse and jcamins, too 14:01 * magnuse says "ouch" and wanders off in search of dinner 14:01 kf druthb: now you scared him away! 14:02 * druthb pouts 14:05 kf I only wanted to check if he is alive 14:05 * druthb pokes kf again. 14:05 druthb :P 14:05 kf I was just talking to you! 14:05 * druthb is the pokey little puppy today. 14:06 * druthb pokes edveal. 14:06 edveal Yep... 14:07 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:07 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 33.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 14:07 * druthb fans kf. 14:08 kf now it's the same as in frankfurt 14:08 kf @wunder frankfurt 14:08 huginn kf: The current temperature in Frankfurt / M-Flughafen, Germany is 32.0°C (4:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Rising). 14:08 oleonard What was the pokey little puppy's comeuppance? No dessert, something like that? 14:08 kf no dessert and going to bed early... 14:09 kf maybe fixing a koha bug or two 14:09 druthb Something like that. Since I rarely eat dessert anyway, that dun skeer me. Also, I've been going to bed early the last couple of nights. 14:10 * druthb pokes oleonard 14:10 druthb :P 14:10 druthb is kinda silly-happy today. 14:10 kf oleonard has kids... he will know what to do 14:11 * oleonard warns druthb that if any more poking happens she will be sent to the time-out chair 14:12 druthb :P 14:12 oleonard Yeah that's what my kids say too 14:12 druthb sending me there, and making sure I arrive there, are two different problems. And I'm bigger than you are. 14:13 oleonard That's what my son is going to be saying before I know it 14:13 druthb mhm. 14:14 kf oleonard: would ignring her help or is that to cause some damage we don't want? 14:15 * kf pokes eythian 14:15 druthb it might make her go away again, kf. 14:15 kf hmmm... 14:15 oleonard Hm, well what we seem to have is a failure to model the correct behavior kf ;) 14:15 eythian druthb: so I just bumped into mst 14:16 kf oleonard: oups 14:16 druthb :) yay! 14:16 kf eythiandid he lift you? 14:16 eythian no...? 14:16 druthb Interesting character, isn't he? 14:17 eythian yeah, also need to ask him about some dbix stuff later 14:17 oleonard Are local cover images supposed to be working in the staff client search results? 14:17 * oleonard doesn't see any 14:18 jcamins oleonard: no. 14:18 kf computervisualistik und design 14:18 kf hm. 14:18 eythian wrongwindow.com? 14:18 kf nope 14:18 kf only wondering about a weird german word :) 14:19 gmcharlt kf: is there any other kind? ;) 14:19 eythian that'll keep you busy for a long time 14:19 kf not sure really 14:19 * druthb pokes gmcharlt 14:19 * gmcharlt pokes druthb right back 14:20 oleonard gmcharlt poked a girl? Scandalous! 14:20 * druthb pounces on gmcharlt. 14:22 eythian at this conf they're providing a large amount of free bottled water (and "apfel schorle") which is good. 14:22 kf :) 14:22 eythian although this country's obsession with sparking water is bizarre, it tastes terrible 14:23 asaurat :D 14:23 * druthb loves sparkling water! 14:24 eythian sorry for your loss of tastebuds :) 14:24 asaurat apfelschorle, warum nicht... aber weinschorle ????? 14:24 eythian not convinced those are words 14:26 asaurat Supercalifragilisticexpialidociouschorle 14:26 kf lol 14:26 * druthb suggests that eythian might find http://dict.leo.org/ende useful. 14:26 kf beershorle = water with beer... hm. 14:26 * druthb finds it handy when talking to kf, occasionally. 14:26 kf which makes it sounds like my english is really bad... :P 14:27 kf eythian: fwiw - I don't like sparkling water 14:27 druthb nope. My German is really, really bad. 14:27 asaurat beershorle ?? i hope noone did ever try this blasphemy, it would be even worse than weinschorle :p 14:27 kf asaurat: it's called radler sauer... 14:27 * asaurat dies in a painful agony 14:27 kf eythian: could you stop this jumping around? 14:28 kf we already have poking ruth... 14:28 * druthb pokes kf 14:28 kf see 14:28 eythian_ I think the wifi is a bit overloaded here 14:28 * kf hands druthb icecream so she is occupied for a while 14:28 druthb nom nom nom 14:28 kf eythian_: but free drinks - you got lucky :) 14:29 eythian_ also free ice blocks 14:29 asaurat free drinks ? where ?? 14:29 eythian asaurat: Frankfurt :) 14:30 * eythian is at YAPC::EU 14:30 asaurat ah, oh, yes, nice 14:30 * druthb is peeking in on the proceedings on irc.perl.org/#yapc 14:34 * eythian should prepare a lightening talk for one of the sessions maybe 14:35 eythian falling offline again probably 14:35 druthb dooo eeeet, eythian. 14:37 * druthb did a lightning talk about Koha at ::NA, and it was well received. 14:38 * druthb needs moar duct tape 14:39 eythian I think this network doesn't hand over between access points 14:39 * kf plunders the fridge in the kitchen and steals some more icecream there 14:40 eythian @wunder frankfurt 14:40 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Frankfurt, Germany is 32.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 14:40 kf @wunder Konstanz 14:41 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 31.6°C (4:35 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 14:41 asaurat @wunder Saint-Chely-d'Apcher 14:41 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found. 14:41 asaurat ok, my new town is too hidden ;) 14:41 eythian it's more than 32 in the lecture theatres. 14:41 asaurat @wunder Mende 14:42 huginn asaurat: Error: No such location could be found. 14:42 kf hotter here too - was saying 33 earlier 14:49 oleonard Okay, so default sorting by call number really is broken. 14:52 kf search faq? 14:52 wahanui search faq is probably http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 14:56 kf hm 14:56 kf what happend to our cronjob examples file? 14:56 kf or am I only too overheated to find it? 14:57 oleonard misc/crojobs/crontab.example 14:57 kf thank you - it's the heat :( 15:02 tcohen hi #koha 15:06 reiveune bye 15:15 oleonard Bug 8657 15:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Default sort by call number does not work 15:18 tcohen anyone related to koha-translate here? 15:18 tcohen found a problem with the .po 15:19 tcohen (parsing problem I guess) 15:19 kf tcohen: not sure I can help 15:19 kf but I can try 15:19 tcohen http://translate.koha-community.org/es/38/translate.html?unit=3553504 15:20 tcohen intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt:84 15:20 kf hm, that doesn't look right 15:20 tcohen looks like the line was not parsed ok 15:20 kf but it'smarked fuzzy 15:20 kf hm I think it's probably right 15:20 tcohen if you look at that file 15:20 kf sometimes the programmakes werid suggestions, but it's marked fuzzy 15:21 kf do you have a link to the file? 15:22 tcohen mm, no 15:22 tcohen i just used my cloned git repo 15:23 tcohen the thing is that the spanish translated line looks ok if you compare to the line in the file 15:23 kf tcohen: the line will not get translated currently 15:23 kf sometimes the parser doesn't get links right 15:23 kf there are probably more strings for that line 15:23 kf and I think enhancedmessagespreferenc is linked? 15:23 tcohen the line says: 15:23 tcohen <li>The <span class="link">EnhancedMessagingPreferences</span> is set to 'Allow'</li> 15:24 tcohen the spanish translation for that line is ok 15:24 kf I think it's ok too for other langauges 15:24 kf sarch pootle for is set to 'Allow' 15:25 tcohen you mean it is stripped into several parts for translating them in parts instead of alltogether? 15:25 kf http://translate.koha-community.org/es/38/translate.html?unit=3553501 15:25 kf yep exactly 15:25 kf that's why the translation is currently wrong 15:25 kf I amnot saying that this is ideal or shoudl happen... but it can happen 15:26 tcohen I understand it kf, thanks 15:26 kf I think getting the parser correct to catch every possible variabtion correctly is hard :( 15:26 kf hm and ignore all my typos, it's entirely too warm here 15:26 tcohen i hope you ignore mine :-d 15:28 kf I think maybe someting changed in the template - like the pref getting linked 15:28 kf so thatwould explain the difference between old and new translation 15:29 kf I am melting - bbl :) 15:31 tcohen kf, you're right 15:31 tcohen i'm having trouble finding that 'The ' string 15:31 tcohen :-( 15:43 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Web-Based Self Checkout in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/sAjwWLda" 16:26 jcamins [off] Look how restrained I am, not responding. 16:27 oleonard [off] Oh, did I fail the test? 16:27 jcamins lol 16:27 * wizzyrea giggles 16:33 libsysguy every time I see the tweetbot I read it as Koha Ails 16:34 oleonard Not Ko-Hails? 16:38 libsysguy no not that one 16:38 libsysguy but now I might 16:38 libsysguy thanks for that oleonard 16:42 oleonard :) 16:51 oleonard Should we not block deletion of subfields marked mandatory in batch item modification? 16:53 jcamins oleonard: we should. 16:54 oleonard Although batch item modification doesn't let you pick what framework you're using.. That's a potential friction point 16:56 mbalmer hi #kohaistas 17:10 jcamins oleonard: is there an easy way to replace text with jQuery? 17:11 oleonard Depends what you're doing 17:11 oleonard There's text(): http://api.jquery.com/text/ 17:11 jcamins oleonard: the part I'm having trouble with is replace() 17:12 jcamins I thought you used something like $('element').html($('element').html().replace(/text/, 'whatever')); 17:12 jcamins I'm getting told that .html() doesn't have a replace method. 17:13 jcamins Got it. 17:13 jcamins Wrong number of parentheses. 17:13 jcamins Never mind. 17:13 jcamins False alarm. 18:06 mib_21en8s anybody online 18:06 oleonard Yes, do you have a question mib_21en8s ? 18:07 mib_21en8s how to embed google page cover preview in koha 18:07 oleonard mib_21en8s: Do you mean book cover images from Google Books? 18:07 mib_21en8s yes 18:08 oleonard Turn on the "GoogleJackets" system preference. 18:09 oleonard does that make sense mib_21en8s ? 18:10 mib_21en8s please specify where in preference 18:11 oleonard Administration -> System Preferences -> Enhanced Content 18:13 mib_21en8s i m grateful for ur help.. thanx 18:26 cait oleonard++ 18:28 chris_n [off] obviously I failed jcamins ' test 18:29 cait [off] oh? 18:35 chris_n [off] I replied to the pg vs mysql email ;-) 18:46 cait [off] ah :) 19:31 rangi Morning 19:32 cait morning rangi 19:36 hankbank I am not worthy 19:37 oleonard It is not necessary to prostrate yourself upon entry 19:37 hankbank :) 19:38 wizzyrea lol 19:39 hankbank It was either that or post a quote from shakespeare 19:40 jcamins hankbank: which quote? 19:40 hankbank “O wonder!How many goodly creatures are there here!How beauteous mankind is! O brave new worldThat has such people in't!†The Tempest Act 5, scene 1, 181–184 19:41 * oleonard would have accepted that 19:41 rangi You should reply to my Tolkien quote with that 19:41 jcamins That's a good quote. 19:41 hankbank verily! forsooth...this is how I feel about this our shared endeavour 19:44 libsysguy anybody have protips for storing an array of strings in the database? 19:45 libsysguy should I just store them with a delimiter or perhaps use the ENUM function? 19:45 rangi I hate both ideas 19:45 libsysguy me too :-/ 19:45 jcamins What about normalizing the structure? 19:46 rangi I'd use Perl to serialise them 19:46 rangi And store that 19:46 jcamins Or you could do that. 19:46 jcamins But I'd want to be very sure that you really wanted to store an array and weren't trying to cheat and store multiple values in one field by storing an array. 19:47 libsysguy yeah that's probably what I should do, but my inner database junky wants to normalize the datastructure 19:47 rangi Yep 19:47 libsysguy well its for the calendar, after I found out the parse function was crap 19:47 jcamins My inner "I don't want to debug your mess" voice wants to normalize the data structure as well. :P 19:47 libsysguy and I need to store a list of days 19:48 libsysguy then parse it to build a set of closed days 19:48 libsysguy since the format function croaks with spans of dates 19:48 rangi A serialized object makes sense to me 19:49 rangi You end up with a nightmare of joins in that case if you store each date as a row 19:49 libsysguy yeah I suppose it does. I don't know of an effective way to normalize weekdays 19:50 libsysguy this will introduce a new dep I think 19:50 libsysguy Storable* 19:51 rangi It's core I think 19:51 libsysguy ahh 19:51 libsysguy well that would be nice 19:51 rangi And the session uses it already 19:51 libsysguy ah ok 19:51 jcamins Hm, that's true about the joins. 19:51 libsysguy in that case, onward and upward 19:52 libsysguy yeah joins in an already stressed db could spell disaster 19:52 rangi Brb 19:52 libsysguy ballocs this is going to take some time to re-arrange 19:55 libsysguy ok second thought 19:55 libsysguy what if instead of serializing the data I just enter a column for each weekday 19:55 libsysguy err day of the week 19:56 cait sounds not too bad to me :) 19:56 cait but I am not the data structure expert here 19:56 libsysguy or I could take it a step further and create a week_days_closed table, that would only be one join 19:57 libsysguy it would keep the data normal but would cost you a table 19:57 cait I dunno 19:57 cait :) 19:57 libsysguy hehe 19:57 * druthb loves watching the hapless youth flailing. 19:57 cait it was way too hot here today, I am still recovering from cooked brain 19:57 cait huh? 19:58 libsysguy druthb thats not funny :'( 19:58 libsysguy hehe 19:58 * jcamins chuckles. 19:58 libsysguy I just want to make the best decision so that somebody doesn't say about me what I am saying about the person who wrote the calendar now 19:58 druthb aww... 19:59 rangi back 19:59 libsysguy rangi ^^ 20:00 * oleonard regrets that some of the good ideas in Bug 5872 were abandoned 20:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5872 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Enhancements to circulation (see comment 23 for details) 20:00 cait wb rangi 20:00 cait oleonard: it was just untestable :( 20:00 rangi what if your library is closed different days on different weeks 20:00 cait rangi: now you getmean :) 20:00 jcamins rangi: I thought that's what this feature was for? 20:00 oleonard cait: Yeah, and it should have been simple to split it up if there had been the will to do so 20:01 libsysguy you would have a separate event or an exception 20:01 libsysguy either way you have to take the intersection of the 2 sets 20:02 rangi in that case a table is better 20:02 libsysguy i think it would be better for searching too 20:02 rangi as long as it stores times too 20:02 libsysguy it could increase the efficiency of searching from the database 20:03 libsysguy I want to see events for closures on mo/we/fr 20:03 libsysguy reports++ 20:03 libsysguy not that anybody cares that much about closed days 20:05 * druthb gets out her slingshot, puts a red Skittle in it, and takes aim at libsysguy 20:06 cait libsysguy: she is being silly today 20:06 cait libsysguy: be glad yougot spared the poking phase 20:06 libsysguy its coming cait 20:07 * libsysguy catching skittle in mid air with teeth 20:07 libsysguy catches* 20:07 cait heh 20:07 * druthb pokes libsysguy 20:08 * druthb pokes cait, to thank her for the reminder 20:08 libsysguy cait run 20:08 libsysguy druthb is on the loose 20:08 cait heh 20:08 * wizzyrea readies the crate of trouts she keeps under her desk for just such occasions 20:08 druthb The only thing that'd be scarier is if I had an op-star. 20:09 libsysguy we'd all be kicked 20:09 druthb if by "we" you mean, yourself, and the mouse in your pocket, then yes, libsysguy. 20:09 wizzyrea he has a mouse in his pocket? 20:10 druthb he's saying "we", but he's the only one who'd get kicked, by me anyway, so he must. 20:10 cait oh 20:10 libsysguy hehe 20:10 cait why would you kick him? 20:10 libsysguy because I'm a bad apple 20:10 druthb Exercise. 20:10 libsysguy just like jcamins 20:11 jcamins Hey, exercise is important! 20:11 druthb see? 20:12 druthb wahanui: libsysguy 20:12 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer 20:12 druthb lulz 20:12 cait what hottest and youngest? 20:12 druthb wahanui: wizzyrea? 20:12 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA 20:12 cait not fair 20:12 libsysguy yup I get the youngest title now too, since pianohacker is gone 20:12 rangi naw 20:13 rangi i have the academy kids 20:13 druthb cait: have you seen pictures of libsysguy? 20:13 rangi they beat you by ages 20:13 wizzyrea and chris hall 20:13 libsysguy damn it rangi 20:13 libsysguy ruine all my fun 20:13 rangi yep and cjh 20:13 oleonard rangi is Koha's Doctor Xavier 20:13 cait lol 20:13 * wizzyrea likes this analogy 20:13 cait but without a wheelchair I hope? 20:13 druthb oooo... 20:13 libsysguy rangi you're bald? 20:14 * druthb wonders what role she will get. 20:14 * wizzyrea snorts water 20:14 libsysguy oh oh can we all have xmen names 20:14 rangi if you guys keep breakng everything i soon will be 20:14 libsysguy I want wolverine 20:14 cait wizzyrea: no drink and reading koha chat! 20:14 cait when will you learn? :) 20:14 wizzyrea hehe 20:14 druthb you're not hairy enough for that libsysguy. 20:14 druthb bag is. 20:14 libsysguy :'( 20:14 cait what about me? 20:14 * wizzyrea dies 20:14 oleonard There aren't enough nerdy, sedentary X-men to go around 20:15 * wizzyrea looks up who all is in the xmen 20:15 libsysguy fine, dibs on colossus 20:15 libsysguy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_(comics) 20:15 druthb Clearly thought up by some sexist *man*. X-Men, indeed....what about X-Women, too? 20:15 libsysguy well there is storm, gene... 20:16 wizzyrea if I were more psychokinetic I'd be jean grey 20:16 wizzyrea though Lilandra, Majestrix of the Shi'ar Empire has a nice ring to it 20:17 * druthb would love Shadowcat's powers. Tha'd be cool. 20:17 druthb Majestrix? Definitely fits you, wizzyrea 20:17 libsysguy and now my day is gone 20:17 oleonard Okay, so KohaCon13 is a combination Koha/X-Men cosplay conference? 20:17 druthb +1 20:18 wizzyrea umm, scratch majestrix - I would not look good in that outfig. 20:18 wizzyrea outfit* 20:18 libsysguy sees a spandex shortage in the future 20:18 druthb hush, you. 20:18 rangi speaking of kohacon13 20:18 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilandra O.o 20:18 rangi i cant make the meeting, i deputise you all to make sure it doesnt go off the rails in some mental fashion 20:18 rangi and we end up with booths or something 20:18 wizzyrea booths? 20:18 rangi (its on at 3am nz time) 20:18 wizzyrea you mean like an expo 20:19 wizzyrea or something 20:19 rangi wizzyrea: i dunno thats the worst thing i could think of 20:19 druthb wizzy, you'd look...erm...majestic in that, but it looks hot and uncomfortable. 20:19 wizzyrea iunno. 20:19 wizzyrea oh druthb 20:19 wizzyrea there's a "pixie" 20:19 druthb ! 20:19 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie_(X-Men) 20:19 druthb Ah'm there! 20:20 wizzyrea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Frost here we go - an urbane mutant telepath with a well-noted dry wit 20:20 druthb Love the outfit, too. 20:20 libsysguy https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=colossus&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1412&bih=1008&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=U5syUP_NHcfE2gXC0YC4Ag#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=x+men+last+stand+colossus&oq=x+men+last+stand+col&gs_l=img.3.0.0.2096.3053.4.3856.4.3.0.1.1.0.81.230.3.3.0...0.0...1c.LZAvmuQQMXU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=1778fb004874edcf&biw=1412&bih=1008 20:20 druthb ahem! 20:20 wizzyrea yea, I can see that. 20:21 * druthb points the youth at various url shorteners 20:21 oleonard gesundheit, libsysguy 20:21 libsysguy I blame google search 20:21 libsysguy why do they need so many variables 20:22 oleonard Oh, there's a mutant "with the ability to easily understand any language, whether verbal or written." I wonder if that extends to programming languages? 20:23 wizzyrea let's just say it does 20:24 druthb wizzyrea says it is so. 20:24 rangi 64 bugs in need sign off, i bet we can get that below 50 by the end of the week if each person does 2 20:24 druthb So let it be written; so let it be done. 20:24 cait heh 20:24 cait I will try to continue on th z39.50 thing before going to sleep 20:24 cait it would help if someone sends me chocolate cookies... 20:24 oleonard Sorry rangi we're pretty swamped with this whole X-men thing 20:24 rangi hehe 20:25 druthb http://porkiepuss.tumblr.com/image/16761223099 <--awesome cosplay of Pixie. I'm there. 20:26 druthb how I'm gonna get that dagger on a plane, though...hm. 20:27 cait suitcase 20:27 rangi libsysguy: bug 8656 20:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8656 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Koha::Calendar not loading both sets of special dates 20:28 cait uhoh 20:28 cait rangi is handing out bugs :) 20:28 wizzyrea oleonard - an example of the jquery-ui tabs? 20:28 wizzyrea or anywhere there are tabs 20:29 libsysguy wizzyrea top search 20:29 libsysguy in 3.8 20:29 wizzyrea k ty 20:29 rangi wizzyrea: bug 8657 20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8657 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Default sort by call number does not work 20:29 rangi hehe 20:29 * wizzyrea is currently working on bug 8644 20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8644 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , jQueryUI CSS file should not contain customizations 20:29 rangi ohh cool 20:29 wizzyrea ;) 20:29 wizzyrea but I"ll do that one next 20:30 rangi who has IE ? 20:30 * libsysguy has a mac 20:31 oleonard I have IE 9 20:31 rangi you get bug 8659 20:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8659 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Inactive funds in neworderempty not disabled in IE/Opera 20:31 libsysguy man he had that one ready 20:31 cait :) 20:31 libsysguy gun slinger rangi 20:31 rangi and now ive caught up on the bug mail 20:31 rangi the rest of you are safe 20:32 rangi you may now return to your comic book discussions 20:32 rangi hehe 20:32 libsysguy I can't I'm too depressed now looking back at the old calendar code 20:32 libsysguy the new stuff looks so much better 20:32 libsysguy lol 20:33 cait oh 20:33 libsysguy its got that new code smell too 20:33 cait marcelr failed my bug 20:33 cait rangi: you can hand me a new one 20:33 cait oh wow 20:33 cait that was loud thunder 20:33 cait must have been very close 20:34 cait @wunder konstanz 20:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.8°C (10:30 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). 20:34 rangi cait: hard one or easy one? 20:34 cait is there something in between? 20:35 rangi bug 8378 20:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore 20:36 rangi or bug 8637 20:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8637 critical, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , Lack of control on mandatory in orderreveive.tt 20:36 wizzyrea oleonard: on 8657, I can't seem to get the db update to go 20:36 druthb @wunder 66046 20:36 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 31.1°C (3:33 PM CDT on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 13%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 20:36 rangi i already signed off on that but it failed qa because of css stuff 20:36 * druthb melts a lil 20:36 wizzyrea dewd, it is not that hot here 20:37 oleonard wizzyrea: :( Do you get an error? 20:37 wizzyrea no, it just doesn't do it? 20:37 druthb It's quite a bit hotter than that, in my office, wizzyrea...seems to be a focussing point for the sun's rays in here somehow. 20:37 wizzyrea hmm 20:37 * wizzyrea blames haarp 20:37 oleonard wizzyrea: It won't do anything if your defaultSortField pref isn't set to call number 20:37 wizzyrea it has to be set before the patch is applied - I get it 20:38 * wizzyrea rolls it back and tries again 20:38 oleonard wizzyrea: The update is only there to catch installations where they have it set to an invalid value 20:38 wizzyrea gotya 20:39 wizzyrea and when you search, the drop down should say "call number" 20:40 wizzyrea ? 20:40 oleonard Yes 20:40 wizzyrea hrmm 20:40 oleonard Not a good sound. 20:40 wizzyrea I have the patch on, mine still says relevance 20:40 wizzyrea even though the prefs are set to call number 20:41 * wizzyrea clears the cache and what not 20:41 * cait cheers wizzyrea on and looks at rangi's bug suggestions 20:41 rangi i wonder if we can ask nengard to switch off the reposting of old videos, confuzzles people 20:41 * rangi puts that on his to do list 20:41 * druthb cheers wizzyrea too, then hits the scroll buffer to see what we're cheerin' about. 20:43 wizzyrea yea sorry, oleonard I don't think that is working :/ 20:44 oleonard Okay, fail that puppy 20:48 oleonard Gotta run. See you tomorrow #koha 20:48 rangi cya oleonard 20:52 cait rangi: I will try and tackle the fine code 20:52 cait <fine> 20:52 cait but have to configure my database first.. *sigh* 20:53 rangi :) 20:56 rangi http://heimatseeker.tumblr.com/post/29743228677/soup-hub 20:57 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard I found the problem I think - it looks like the default value of ascending isn't actually set - you have to switch it to another and then back to ascending, and then it works re: bug 8657 20:57 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 20:58 rangi ahh yes theres a bug for that wizzyrea 20:58 rangi im pretty sure i signed it off 20:58 * druthb waves, and runs out. 20:58 * jcamins agrees with rangi about the existence of the bug. 20:58 wizzyrea oh cool - so I should not worry about that problem and sign off on this part, because it does work once the sort order is set properly 20:59 wizzyrea ya? 20:59 rangi sounds good to me 20:59 wizzyrea okies 21:00 rangi bug 8012 21:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8012 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Passed QA , defaultSortOrder and OPACdefaultSortOrder are set to "ascending" on install 21:00 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard well cool, looks like there's a separate bug for that problem which means *your* patch WORKS and I'll sign off :D 21:00 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 21:00 rangi A little investigation showed that this value is actually initialized NULL--which you can't set in the interface--which shows "ascending." But the actual behavior of the sort is kinda screwy by that. To me, it makes sense to initialize the value to SOMETHING... 21:00 rangi that ^^ 21:00 wizzyrea ya, exactly 21:00 wizzyrea that is precisely what I observed 21:01 jcamins Wouldn't it be nice if sorting weren't so brittle? 21:02 rangi someone should rewrite it 21:02 jcamins Yeah, I agree. 21:03 wizzyrea hehe 21:05 cait I think it's maybe missing default values in sql/pref file? 21:06 rangi it is, but 8012 fixes that cait 21:06 jcamins cait: it is, but it also is a problem with the sorting. 21:06 cait ah cool :) 21:06 cait and heya jcamins :) 21:07 jcamins With the fixed default, we just don't notice that the sorting implementation is brittle. 21:07 jcamins Unless we are me. 21:07 jcamins In which case we curse it frequently. 21:12 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington-weather/7513265/Lightning-storm-hits-Wellington (was loud last night) 21:15 wizzyrea oh yea, saw that - I guess there were also "freak" lightning storms in japan and taiwan 21:15 wizzyrea just crazy lightning 21:15 wizzyrea unusual lightning. 21:16 cait @wunder Konstanz 21:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2012). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising). 21:16 cait at least it cooled down a bit :( the thunderstorm missed us by just a little bit 21:22 wizzyrea What is LR in accountlines? 21:24 rangi hehe 21:24 rangi curl -s http://animals.ivolo.me/ 21:24 rangi wizzyrea: Lost Returned 21:26 wizzyrea ty - also, weird - I have an example where returning the item didn't take it off of someone's account 21:27 rangi hmm there were some changes around that recently, im not sure if they were pushed or not though 21:27 cait I think it's supposed to be a syspref 21:27 wizzyrea well this is 3.6.4 so it could just be buggy 21:27 wizzyrea yea, I think you're right 21:27 cait or somehing, not sure 21:27 wizzyrea but I don't think that stuff is in my version 21:27 cait we are not using the lost workflow yet 21:27 cait yeah, it was a recent thing on bugzila 21:38 wizzyrea weird. I can't explain why that happened. 21:38 wizzyrea or didn't happen, as the case may be. 21:39 wizzyrea the lost status was removed, ok. it was checked in, ok. but it didn't come off of the account - WEIRD. 21:39 cait hm. 21:39 cait maybe somehting with the way it was retunred? 21:39 rangi hmm that is weird, it should have lodged a credit balancing at zero 21:39 wizzyrea yea, precisely ^^ 21:40 wizzyrea but… how could they return it that it would not trigger the process. 21:40 * wizzyrea tries all the check in boxes 21:41 wizzyrea now it just says "not checked out" - bc it is, in fact, not checked out 21:42 rangi hehe 21:42 wizzyrea I wonder about checking it out to the patron again and checking it in 21:42 wizzyrea but... 21:42 wizzyrea the simple solution to this is to just manually writeoff the $15 and lift her debarment manually. 21:43 wizzyrea :P 21:43 wizzyrea and chalk it up to a network error. 21:43 wizzyrea or something 21:43 wizzyrea sunspot 21:43 wizzyrea oh, we did have sunspots today 21:43 wizzyrea 3 M class ones, even. 21:43 rangi id try checking it out and in again 21:43 * wizzyrea goes with suspots. 21:43 wizzyrea hehe 21:44 wizzyrea yea, that usually is a cure all 21:45 cait sunspots :) 21:46 rangi wahanui: excuse? 21:46 wahanui rangi: Mouse has out-of-cheese-error 21:46 rangi there you go 21:46 wizzyrea mmmm yes 21:46 wizzyrea wahanui: excuse? 21:46 wahanui wizzyrea: operation failed because: there is no message for this error (#1014) 21:46 wizzyrea KEKE 21:47 cait excuse? 21:47 wahanui cait: Redundant ACLs. 21:47 cait excuse? 21:47 wahanui cait: Our ISP is having {switching,routing,SMDS,frame relay} problems 21:47 cait excuse? 21:47 wahanui cait: Someone has messed up the kernel pointers 21:47 wizzyrea how do you add an excuse? 21:47 cait hmmm 21:47 * wizzyrea wants to add sunspots 21:47 rangi thats in there 21:47 wizzyrea oh good 21:50 cait excuse? 21:50 wahanui cait: Jupiter is aligned with Mars. 21:50 cait ah... that's nice 21:52 wizzyrea excuse? 21:52 wahanui wizzyrea: Internet outage 21:52 wizzyrea mhm. 21:52 * wizzyrea likes this game 21:53 cait eek 21:54 cait 8607 21:54 cait bug 8607 21:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , overdue_notices is broken 21:59 rangi can you confirm that bug 8607 works, if so ill push it to 3.8.x for 3.8.4 21:59 cait working on it 21:59 cait I got the fines 22:00 cait and I got messages created 22:00 rangi sweet 22:00 cait so that's one step further from having the script explodeon me 22:00 cait but I stil have to check the contents of the messages 22:00 rangi it's a tiny patch (8607) 22:01 cait yeah 22:01 cait i have to undo the fine patch and check again 22:01 cait because that is not working :( 22:01 cait for me at least 22:01 cait it#s still not outputting the fine 22:01 rangi yeah it probably wont without 8607 22:01 cait and what's wirth 22:01 cait worse 22:01 cait it's not giving me a list of items, but only one item whre it should be 2 22:02 cait yeah, you can't test the fine syntax without applying 8607 - I only have to check how broken it is without using th efine syntax changes 22:02 rangi actually im pushing to 8607, there's no way it can work without that change 22:02 cait makes sense 22:02 cait i still get errors with the patch running the script - but warnings 22:02 rangi good you spotted that before the release 22:02 cait Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at overdue_notices.pl line 683 22:03 cait yeah 22:03 cait wajasu's patch doesn't work :( 22:03 cait it breaks the way the notices are done 22:03 rangi ah well, fail qa, thats better than leaving it in needs signoff 22:03 cait yeah I will 22:03 cait but the first patch works allright 22:03 rangi the upside is, we spotted 8607 doing this 22:03 cait doesn't output fines 22:03 cait but all items show up in the notice 22:04 rangi sweet 22:04 cait but... 22:04 cait the fix you did once... is undone 22:04 rangi hmm ? 22:04 cait it should have given me a first notice and a second notice 22:04 cait 2 letters 22:04 cait it doesn't 22:04 rangi ah yeah 22:04 cait I hate when we break stuff that I tested and tested and tested 22:05 rangi actually i think 7447 isnt in 3.8 22:05 rangi nope 22:05 rangi so yeah 3.8.x doesnt have that bug 22:05 rangi just master 22:05 rangi so i dont need to push 8607 22:05 cait oh 22:05 cait that's good 22:06 cait but it's still majorly broken :( 22:06 rangi in master? 22:06 cait yeah 22:06 rangi try 3.8.x 22:06 rangi i bet its better than master 22:06 cait I will have to create a new database for that 22:06 cait too late today 22:06 rangi ahh not today 22:06 rangi :) 22:06 cait will try before work 22:06 rangi its not urgent 22:11 cait writing up my test case for wajasu now before failing 22:18 * cait growls at bug 7447 22:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Allow to specify a date in overdue_notice.pl 22:18 cait and closes lots of tabs 22:18 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:18 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on August 21, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). 22:27 rangi meeting time brb