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23:59 wajasu is that the sort of thing i should be looking for in 8622 or is that an unrelated issue?
23:59 wajasu navigation widgets.
23:59 wajasu in the staff interface
23:58 wajasu jcamins: i've got 8622 installed. and am moving around the site. i searched for a book. clicked on "Checkout history" tab on the left side, which i happen to have 3 books listed. the word PreviNext are ON TOP of the FIRST and LAST icons.
23:36 jcamins_away mtj: oh.
23:36 mtj no, i tested the patch on *my* new repo
23:35 jcamins_away mtj: just my github.
23:35 jcamins_away bug_8597_theme already contains all its dependencies.
23:35 mtj jcamins_away, this is on a new koha repo, too?!
23:35 jcamins_away Right.
23:35 wajasu i see. i need to apply 8622. test it. signoff. then apply bug_8597_theme, test it, and sign off on it.
23:35 jcamins_away And it worked perfectly for me.
23:34 jcamins_away Weird.
23:33 mtj at least apply the change will some <<< === >>>> markers, so i can edit /correct later, etc..
23:33 mtj so, its a patch git *shoudl* be able to handle ok-ishâ€¦.
23:32 mtj s/this/thing/
23:32 mtj the frustrating this is, the patch contains a 1 line change to C4/Templates.pm
23:32 jcamins mtj: missing one of the dependencies.
23:32 mtj .
23:31 mtj Cannot fall back to three-way merge.
23:31 mtj Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
23:31 mtj fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/Templates.pm).
23:31 mtj 3way merge gives this error...
23:31 mtj i'd like to know how to best handle this situ
23:30 mtj meh i've hit some git-apply problems for patch on 8623
23:29 wajasu i see
23:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
23:26 jcamins Bug 8597.
23:26 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
23:26 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8633 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Translate script hardcoded to prog template
23:26 jcamins @query mobile theme
23:26 jcamins wajasu: there are instructions on the bug.
23:21 wajasu jcamins: is there a specific theme in your repo i should test?
23:16 jcamins This dal is missing something.
23:15 wajasu oh.
23:14 mtj thanks for your help, wajasu
23:14 jcamins wajasu: those were suggestions for mtj to QA.
23:13 wajasu i will work on 8622. 8623 is signed off. 4048 is a dup. 8209 is signed off.
23:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7475 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Option to overlay authorities
23:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
23:09 jcamins Oh, also bug 2060 and bug 7475.
23:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
23:08 jcamins Bug 8209 is pretty good for QA too. :)
23:07 jcamins :)
23:07 mtj jcamins, ill try and qa some of these new patches, realsoon
23:03 mtj awesome, awesome stuff
23:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
23:01 jcamins Also bug 4048, though oleonard decided he preferred lots of little bugs.
23:01 mtj jcamins, as usual, you're one step ahead of me :)
23:00 jcamins No, not bug 8625.
23:00 wajasu ok. i here.
23:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8625 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.08.01.002
23:00 jcamins Bug 8625?
23:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
23:00 jcamins Bug 8623.
23:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , famfamfam should be outside theme directory
23:00 jcamins Bug 8624.
23:00 jcamins Sorry, I was making dinner.
22:56 mtj ok, gimme a clue :)
22:55 * mtj looks...
22:55 mtj hmm, i may have missed them :/
22:54 jcamins Well, filed.
22:54 jcamins mtj: did you see the bugs I reported?
22:53 mtj that would be a nice future patch...
22:52 mtj i think the asset stuff (images,css) should ultimately be removed from the language dirs completely
22:50 mtj jcamins++, nice patch too!
22:47 mtj aaah, ignore my comment then :)
22:46 jcamins mtj: wajasu was wondering about my instructions about the theme patches.
22:45 mtj wajasu, re: 8622 kyle's patch is a sign-off of jcamin's patch, ie: they are identical, afaik...
21:23 jcamins_away The new theme is in my repo.
21:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
21:22 jcamins_away wajasu: no, bug 8622 can be tested using the patches on the bug.
20:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
20:43 wajasu jcamins_away: did you say i needed to signoff bug 8622 with your repo? i see kyle tested 1 & 2. Am I to test Kyle's patch, or one you have?
20:05 jcamins Ah.
20:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3087 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB
20:05 jcamins bug 3087
20:05 cait bug 3087
20:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5592 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , circ rule cloning can be dangerous
20:04 jcamins bug 5592
18:47 tcohen thanks slef
18:47 slef tcohen: have a nice weekend too!
18:46 slef tcohen: bye lazy ;-)
18:46 tcohen bye #koha, have a nice weekend!
18:44 slef "strictly for non-commercial purposes" so depends what you mean by "free"
18:39 gmcharlt jcamins: perfect, thanks!
18:36 jcamins gmcharlt: http://www.bl.uk/bibliographic/marcdownload.html
18:36 sekjal gtg. see ya, #koha!
18:35 slef gmcharlt: you can get them as SUTRS, or you may be able to get a free account to obtain them. I may be out-of-date. Library Co-op may know better.
18:34 jcamins gmcharlt: I believe you can license their records.
18:34 gmcharlt slef: am I correct in thinking that the British Library provides no free way to download its MARC records?
18:23 slef yw
18:22 jcamins Thanks.
18:22 slef done
18:20 slef I can be logged in RSN
18:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should have mechanized testing suite
18:20 jcamins Hey, could someone who is logged in mark bug 8300 Needs signoff?
18:18 slef jcamins: phew! you had me worried. Cool.
18:18 jcamins :)
18:18 jcamins slef: it will when you send a patch creating it.
18:18 jcamins They need to be in a subdirectory of t.
18:18 slef jcamins: does that exist?
18:18 jcamins slef: t/install_dependent?
18:18 slef anyone know if live-koha-needed tests can go under t/ or if something will try to run them automatically if I put it there?
18:17 slef pretty sure I've a manual test for it, but I didn't see where to put it under t/ so I didn't submit it upstream yet
18:17 druthb "all the way through", yes, slef. testing just import_bib should be doable without it.
18:17 sekjal and now people have gone and used it? Crazy!
18:16 sekjal slef: yes, the intent was to make as much reusable script as possible...
18:16 druthb Because the likelihood of OCLC messing around with the API in a way that breaks this approaches unity. They do that.
18:16 slef druthb: you only need an OCLC account to test bin/connexion_import_daemon.pl, no?
18:16 jcamins If you can come up with a test that doesn't require Connexion, that'd be good.
18:16 druthb needs an OCLC account, too, plus a live Koha, to test this bit all the way through. And a human person who pushes the button.
18:15 slef sekjal: and extended to be a useful replacement for new_bib.
18:15 jcamins slef: we do not. I suggest you add a place.
18:15 jcamins It was included in 3.8 in the eleventh hour.
18:15 slef I guess I should write a test case, but this is rather gnarly to write such a test for, isn't it? Needs a live koha - do we have a place for those tests?
18:14 druthb I hadn't been aware of that.
18:14 sekjal svc/import_bib was created as part of the OCLC Connexion Gateway development
18:14 slef I thought it had been in a release - I've at least one client using it and I thought they were on 3.8.x
18:13 druthb I was under the impression that import_bib was something *new*.
18:13 druthb If other clients are using the older new_bib, then, no, it won't, because I didn't touch that.
18:13 druthb slef: And when I did it, I was under a bit of a crunch to Make. It. Work. Right. Now.
18:13 slef druthb: I fear your patch breaks the svc API for non-Connexions clients.
18:12 druthb self: Someone cleverer at doing that coding probably could. You've gotta send several *other* bits though, besides just the record--the match rule, item behavior, overlay-or-create rules, etc, so POSTDATA is something that I *know* will work.
18:11 slef druthb: why can't you handle both POSTDATA and xml in http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=10240&action=diff#a/svc/import_bib_sec1 ?
18:10 jcamins Sounds like the sort of place Sisyphus might have lived.
18:08 jcamins "
18:08 * jcamins likes the name of this kingdom: "Osrhoena.
18:06 slef Sisyphus: gmcharlt; I'm working on related stuff now (which is why I just ran out of space somewhere)
18:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Passed QA , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
18:05 Sisyphus I'm hoping to avoid a followup on Bug 7613, gmcharlt, but it may be necessary. I'll open a new ticket, though, if so, just because that one has turned into a total furball.
18:04 gmcharlt Sisyphus: shifting rocks, are you?
18:02 slef ahem excuse the mispaste
18:02 slef rambutan: why, can that change the behaviour of other drivers? ;-) cp: cannot create directory `debian/koha-common/usr/share/koha/intranet': No space left on device
17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8655 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Re-order items on administration page to better match configuration priority
17:59 oleonard Anyone have anything to add to Bug 8655?
17:53 rambutan slef: you need tomtom. I recommend the XXL550
17:45 Barrc .....oops, silly chat windows.......
17:45 Barrc it'll be an Astra transponder.....let me check
17:20 jcamins Just curious. :)
17:20 mbalmer that is, in all brevity, why...
17:19 mbalmer even if the chosen technologies are not the best. at least they are manageable to non-CS folks.
17:18 mbalmer and having so many coder-librarians makes it a product that is practical.
17:18 * jcamins likes POD.
17:18 mbalmer coming from informatics, not being a librarian, a system like evergreen is technically better, but using a system like Koha were domain specialists (aka the librarians) can take an active role in the development is for sure a big plus.
17:16 mbalmer longer story, but: great community, I am part of a group where we decided to go for Koha, installed base of Koha etc.
17:12 jcamins mbalmer: out of curiosity, why did you settle on Koha? I presume since you comment on Evergreen that you looked at both?
17:10 slef apparently London cyclists are as surprised to have hire bikes keeping up with them as Norfolk drivers are when any bikes keep up
17:10 jcamins senator: just doing my best to keep everyone's day interesting. :)
17:09 jeff senator: exactly :-)
17:09 mbalmer heh, evergreen, I like the architecture of that system..
17:09 slef jcamins: I didn't get to India. Hire us and we'll make more money to go to kohacons ;-)
17:09 senator and jcamins in #evergreen today, man so much confusion
17:09 jcamins But with fewer random checkpoints.
17:09 * jeff just completed a mini-monologue in #evergreen, then saw senator speaking in this window, and for a half-moment thought i had monologued in #koha about Evergreen :-)
17:09 slef anyway, I was having fun with London traffic yesterday... only tried to ride on the right once (except for segregated lanes)
17:08 jcamins slef: did you drive in India? I was told traffic in Mumbai is similar to traffic in Kabul.
17:08 senator heh
17:07 slef senator: I got the impression that some people in the US aren't even sure there are cars on the same road as them, based on the driving ;)
17:07 jcamins slef: did I mention that there's bumper-to-bumper traffic during your quarter mile dash from the right to the left, then no traffic at all on 1 and 9?
17:07 senator sad to say
17:07 senator slef: some people in the US aren't even sure there are cars and traffic in other countries, and they definitely don't know the UN has an opinion on road traffic
17:05 slef unsurprisingly, the US hasn't signed the UN convention on road traffic... http://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetailsIII.aspx?&src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XI~B~19&chapter=11&Temp=mtdsg3&lang=en
17:04 gmcharlt slef: if those dead ends happened to abut stores, the local Chamber of Commerce, of course! :)
17:04 jcamins slef: in New Jersey there is a wonderful merge on your way to New York- the 1 and 9 exit off of... the Turnpike, I think. You merge onto the Turnpike from the right, and less than a quarter of a mile later, you exit on the left, only to merge into 1 and 9 from the left.
17:01 jeff (SURPRISE!)
17:01 slef gmcharlt: who do I write to thank for the tiny and misleading road signs that introduced me to many dead ends? ;-)
17:00 gmcharlt slef: just consider it part of the excitement that the USA delivers to all tourists ;)
16:59 slef anyway, was surprised to get a short merge, not a segregated lane or something... rather more entertaining after 40mins driving in the country than I expected ;-)
16:58 gmcharlt entirely possible -- roadbuilding funds aren't infinitely, particularly in Atlanta
16:58 slef gmcharlt: isn't it just that they didn't want to build another bridge to put you on the right?
16:56 gmcharlt slef: it's mostly found in urbanized areas where there may not be enough space to put in a full cloverleaf so that one can merge from the right
16:54 slef I know you don't exactly have faster-moving lanes closer to the median like in the UK but it seems to behave similar because of the road design
16:53 slef and while I'm being off-topic, the I285 westbound to GA400 northbound slip road dumped me in the left-hand lane... does that happen often on US roads???
16:51 * oleonard has never heard of those
16:50 slef off-topic, but does the US have these other CBS channels we get? CBS Action and CBS Drama... didn't see them in any hotels over there
16:50 slef that reminds me
16:49 slef oleonard: ah, they're currently running free-to-air on CBS over here.
16:49 * oleonard doesn't know what to do with the rope
16:49 oleonard slef: Only in my head since I'm too cheap to pay to watch them
16:49 slef gmcharlt: "wedding catalogers" = people who make lists of wedding gifts?
16:48 * chris_n hands oleonard a rope
16:48 slef oleonard: enjoying the ST:Voyager repeats?
16:48 slef gmcharlt: so the standards are incomplete or occasionally just plain daft, but you can't bugfix them simply without infringing someone's copyright
16:48 * oleonard hopes grub's mobile holographic emitter can be fixed so he can come out of the emergency shell
16:48 gmcharlt slef: well, that gets back to the original decisions back in the 1960s that ended tieing wedding catalogers to a particular serialization
16:47 wahanui well, problem is its human beings doing it or that grub was nudged to the emergency holographic shell
16:47 jcamins problem?
16:47 wahanui the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values
16:47 jcamins the problem?
16:47 gmcharlt and shaking my head at the imprecision of its language
16:47 slef gmcharlt: I think much of the problem is that most of the standards seem to be designed by control freaks (= think they are gods) who make occasional mistakes (= are human)
16:47 datadoctor I'm learning a lot from this discussion though...
16:47 jcamins gmcharlt: kind of like the RTL directional marker, which is apparently optional.
16:47 * gmcharlt was looking at the the ISO-2709 standard just now
16:46 datadoctor Glad to implement, not sure where to begin...
16:46 gmcharlt slef: it's distressingly not nailed down enough in the relevant standards
16:45 jcamins *probable
16:45 slef I wouldn't be surprised to discover other MARC interpreters getting it wrong with uppercase and punctuation.
16:45 * jcamins looks around, settles on datadoctor as the probably implementor. :)
16:45 gmcharlt slef: not much, but there'd have to be a bit of code added so that the serializer could understand (say) pairs of 952/953 fields for import
16:45 jcamins That would be excellent too.
16:45 datadoctor gmcharlt: I like the idea to "define multiple mapping sets for items"
16:44 slef actually yeah, what stop us using other 95x?
16:44 gmcharlt that way, if you're given a set of bibs to import that have the items in 945 fields, say, you could define a new item framework rather than remap the item data to 952 fields
16:44 jcamins But, as I said, this is all idle talk coming from me.
16:44 jcamins I'd prefer 95x matched on subfield $9 to crazy subfield markers.
16:44 slef I mean stuff that only has one value like the withdrawn and lost subfields
16:44 gmcharlt another direction is to extend the (item part) of the MARC frameworks to let you define multiple mapping sets for items
16:43 slef well they're not 0/1
16:43 slef well the alternative is to recode some of the 0/1 fields, which would be painful
16:43 datadoctor Does that mean we could define local information under a different MARC field, for example 962, but have it come up as tab 10 for the Edit item screen?
16:43 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, I know. I'm looking forward to that.
16:43 gmcharlt the same would apply to Solr, for that matter
16:43 gmcharlt jcamins: fortunately less so -- one of the implicit reasons for the DOM mode indexing is that it lays the groundwork for indexing items without needing to serialize them as 952 fields
16:43 druthb yeah, confusing, at the very least.
16:43 jcamins Just a horrid idea.
16:42 jcamins druthb: not sure about punctuation, but uppercase is allowed.
16:42 druthb I was thinking of interchange with other vendors, jcamins--if someone gets their records from Ebsco, say, and has them embed item recs, it'll have to be MARC standard, or their systems will gag on it. But if the standard allows uppercase and punctuation, then we're golden there.
16:42 jcamins Despite removing items from the MARC (thanks, gmcharlt!), we still assume that an item is equivalent to a MARC field.
16:41 jcamins slef: druthb: if we *only* serialize to 952, it doesn't matter that we are on to uppercase/punctuation subfields.
16:40 jcamins slef: use 952 for serialization only.
16:40 datadoctor The motivation to use 952 is that the "Location" is already defined in 952 c, we just duplicate that to 952 C, and get a similar drop-down in Edit Item.
16:40 druthb Gonna need some way to embed items for imports. Dumping 952 without some reasonable replacement will make migrations a lot harder.
16:40 slef if we don't use 952, how will we import items?
16:39 jcamins However, since I won't be doing the work, I'm not too optimistic.
16:39 * jcamins maintains that we need to deprecate the 952 field for 3.12.
16:38 datadoctor May fail elsewhere as I am understanding.
16:38 datadoctor It works when editing or creating an item.
16:38 jcamins druthb: it is. Just a bad idea.
16:37 druthb is it even valid MARC to use uppercase? If you try to feed that to a SD system, it will break rather spectacularly.
16:37 jcamins Seems to me we've hit the limit of embedded MARC for item data.
16:37 datadoctor Wow! I could use punctuation? That could work well.
16:36 gmcharlt frankly, it would be better (though not great) to use punctuation characters (that aren't SQL metacharacters) for such subfields
16:36 jcamins datadoctor: why do you want to put it in the 952?
16:36 gmcharlt more of a problem with interacting with the MARC framework
16:35 datadoctor Would that only be a problem if I search on that field?
16:35 datadoctor I see...
16:34 gmcharlt datadoctor: that has the potential to run into the case-insensitve query mode that Koha uses
16:34 datadoctor We are attempting to define separate "Edit Item" fields for "permanent location" vs. (temporary) "location."
16:34 jcamins datadoctor: I think it's a terrible idea, but go ahead. I've been overruled.
16:34 * druthb shudders.
16:33 datadoctor How do folks feel about using capital letters to define additional local MARC 952 subfields?
16:11 francharb` bye
16:11 francharb` good afternoon / morning / evening!
16:10 * jcamins hardly noticed, actually.
16:09 slef the move, not the sharing
16:09 slef well it annoyed the heck out of me ;)
16:09 jcamins slef: the audience was just sharing opinions. Not opinions on anything in particular.
16:08 slef jcamins: spinach?
16:08 slef ;)
16:08 * jcamins prefers a darker green.
16:08 slef everyone, was moving from dokuwiki to mediawiki bad enough?
16:08 slef ok, let's ask the audience:
16:08 libsysguy like so many other things that happened to KC
16:08 libsysguy i guess that was before my time
16:04 slef libsysguy: I think you can get out, but moving from dokuwiki to mediawiki for k-c was bad enough, wasn't it?
16:04 slef libsysguy: if you ever wanted an illustration of why I write "In god we trust - all others must bring data" and why I'm pretty sceptical of most things, that's one.
16:03 libsysguy oh so once they suck you in they have you
16:03 slef libsysguy: I think a lot of developers get tricked by the "open source license" and it's non-trivial to change
16:02 slef libsysguy: meh, a bit of GNU used Confluence last time I checked.
16:02 gmcharlt slef: heh
16:02 slef gmcharlt: probably as a matter of pragmatism because it's less work for you, yes :)
16:01 gmcharlt jcamins: right
16:01 gmcharlt slef: probably simpler; as a matter of etiquette, would one first ask the DD that packaged if they're willing to upload it to backports?
16:01 libsysguy apache uses jira?!?!
16:01 slef (I'll sponsor if you con't have a DD handy)
16:01 jcamins gmcharlt: Library::Callnumber::LC?
16:00 slef gmcharlt: why not just upload it to backports.debian.org?
15:59 jcamins gmcharlt: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is in Wheezy.
15:59 gmcharlt [off] slef: first they issue you your very own hammer...
15:58 gmcharlt eythian: do you package any backports for debian.k-c.org? I'm looking at a potential new dependency that's packaged for wheezy already but isn't presently in squeeze-backports
15:58 slef [off] a certain salesperson I know described US sales methods as something like "surprisingly unsubtle" recently ;-)
15:56 slef but the US allows sale of "pure squeezed orange juice... made from concentrate" so I doubt it's illegal, sadly.
15:56 jcamins eythian: yeah, I figured.
15:56 eythian jcamins: ah, confusing it with libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
15:55 slef it's bloody dishonest
15:55 libsysguy yeah
15:55 slef it's a proprietary license for open source projects to get locked in
15:54 slef that's why it's really unhelpful
15:54 slef it's not an open source license
15:54 libsysguy I have never used jiraâ€¦but i rather enjoyed Confluence
15:54 jcamins Wait, you have to apply for an open source license?
15:54 slef libsysguy: I dislike jira and Confluence is really unhelpful.
15:54 libsysguy i just saw this http://www.atlassian.com/opensource/overview
15:53 libsysguy slef that is why I was just looking at...oh?
15:53 slef libsysguy: arrrgh, run away from Atlassian.
15:53 slef libsysguy: wiki installation docs should be a short-term thing. They really suck longer-term because you might not have easy web browsing during an install (even today) and you can't be 100% sure which version they're for.
15:53 libsysguy ok so random question, has anybody used jira
15:53 jcamins eythian: it is? It's available for Debian, and 10.10, so I think we probably wouldn't have packaged it.
15:52 eythian it's in the k-c repo
15:52 sekjal I cannot easily install libcache-memcache-fast-perl on my Ubuntu 10.04 system
15:52 jcamins So has tcohen.
15:52 libsysguy mtompset has been working with ubuntu
15:52 eythian mtompset has been working on them I think
15:52 slef sekjal: I think you said it no longer works on some old ubuntu?
15:51 slef sekjal: time to hatchet the INSTALL.* files and ask "does this still work?"
15:51 libsysguy yeah and an update to the wiki doc
15:51 sekjal a well-maintained matrix of what works on what would go a long way
15:51 libsysguy me too, isn't that how it is now
15:50 jcamins That's fine with me.
15:50 slef I'd prefer we moved back towards "these work, here's how - if you can get it working on something else, please document+contribute how"
15:49 jcamins slef: until someone decides to pay a developer to make Koha work on Red Hat, I'd say it probably is our responsibility to say "here are the OSes we can help with, anything else we'll do our best but you're on your own."
15:48 slef ironically, I was about to post the opposite view in reply to sekjal, like, is it all up to Koha to support a few OSes?
15:47 slef or just help... I linked a debian-perl thread recently
15:47 eythian I think there's work on the debian side for the packages
15:47 libsysguy I took their survey they other day and said packages should move up in priority
15:47 libsysguy i agree slef that the devels should get the packages working
15:45 libsysguy the problem I have with Ruby is backwards compatibility (or the lack therein)
15:44 libsysguy yeah it is
15:44 jcamins I heard Ruby development movement described as "ooh, shiny!" by a Ruby developer.
15:43 jcamins Does Catalyst development move at the same rate as Ruby?
15:43 slef I wish their devels would help the packages instead of telling people to splatter cpan across their systems
15:42 libsysguy cpanm works well though
15:42 slef catalyst needs help
15:42 libsysguy if you get on their IRC the devels even say don't pull from packages
15:42 sekjal ah
15:42 libsysguy and don't support Authentication or catalystX
15:41 libsysguy they are outdated
15:41 sekjal libsysguy: that is interesting. why not?
15:41 libsysguy do not install it from packages
15:41 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed, I've already incorporated those in my WIP branch
15:41 libsysguy sekjal I learned something interesting about catalyst
15:40 libsysguy before I got distracted
15:40 sekjal encouraging
15:40 sekjal yeah, I pulled his repo a while back
15:40 libsysguy well I was
15:40 jcamins gmcharlt: there are some more samples for the test, too.
15:40 libsysguy yes I have
15:40 jcamins libsysguy has been working with it.
15:39 sekjal I'd like to see the Catalyst MVC work gain some traction. Koha could really benefit from it
15:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Bug in LCC sort routine
15:39 gmcharlt jcamins: turns out there was a bug after all -- bug 6281
15:39 jcamins :D
15:39 jcamins like Emacs?
15:39 jcamins sekjal: okay, that makes more sense. I thought it was a CMS with an entire MVC framework thrown in. Which seems..
15:39 sekjal I'm very happy about the MVC
15:38 sekjal jcamins: the CMS is just a module for the framework, and you can use it or not
15:38 jcamins (I mean, why does it need to implement a new one)
15:37 jcamins Why does a CMS need an MVC framework?
15:34 sekjal at the time (before my arrival), it was found to meet the requirements and wishes list best, as defined by the Web Coordinating Committee
15:34 oleonard Yes
15:33 sekjal oleonard: do you mean why my library picked SilverStripe as their CMS?
15:33 jcamins kf: nothing, that's the class for US Laws.
15:33 kf jcamins: what did I do?
15:33 oleonard sekjal: Any idea why they picked that in the first place?
15:32 sekjal eythian: yeah, I noticed that. seem like a good group. I haven't gotten as far as contributing anything to the code base yet, but it's proving to be a solid framework for what I want to develop
15:31 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm not at my computer at the moment, but one place where there's always problems is the KF schedule.
15:31 gmcharlt if you've got other examples of mis-sorting handy, I'd love to incorporate them into the test case
15:31 eythian they're based in Wellington
15:31 eythian sekjal: Oh yeah, I used to drink with the silverstripe folks from time to time
15:30 gmcharlt jcamins: https://github.com/gmcharlt/koha-test/commits/fix_lcc_cn_sort
15:25 sekjal I'm testing the new version for upgrade, as well as new features
15:25 sekjal our library website is based off an older version
15:25 sekjal highly extensible
15:25 sekjal as well as an MVC framework
15:25 sekjal content management system
15:24 kf oh, what does it do?
15:24 sekjal (which I'm very impressed with)
15:24 sekjal including another piece of software from NZ called SilverStripe
15:24 sekjal new job has picked up, and I've been doing a lot of other projects lately
15:23 sekjal kf: ah, yes... sorry for letting it slip so long
15:22 kf qaing :)
15:22 sekjal kf: ?
15:21 kf sekjal++
15:10 * oleonard goes back to goofing off
15:10 oleonard Ah, well without the cheering...
15:10 * magnuse wanders off
15:04 * magnuse cheers gmcharlt on
15:03 gmcharlt (at least for code and reports that are using cn_sort)
15:03 gmcharlt yep, and fix it
15:03 jcamins So at least you can narrow the problem down to the way Koha does sorting? :/
15:03 jcamins gmcharlt: yep, that's been an issue for a long time.
15:02 eythian tcohen: yep
15:02 clrh thanks khall :) ( and bywater guys )
15:02 magnuse tcohen: it was earlier today
15:02 tcohen is translate.k-c.org down?
15:02 gmcharlt specific example was SB410.9 .P26 1993 coming before SB410.A26 I75 2000
15:02 jcamins (missort)
15:02 jcamins gmcharlt: ah. It does that a lot.
15:01 gmcharlt jcamins: a customer pointed out a case of misorting
15:01 sekjal I've only ever heard of Shib being "worked on", never "working"
15:01 tcohen oh, kf that sounds good
15:00 kf tcohen: I think biblibre is too - working on shibboleth
15:00 tcohen i'll be working on both as long as daily stuff lets me
15:00 tcohen as we're implementing that
15:00 tcohen I need to work on shibboleth too
15:00 tcohen hehe
14:59 magnuse tcohen: so don't let me stop you ;-)
14:59 magnuse well, i have no immediate plans, but i'm working on a project where covers from several sources would be a good thing
14:58 tcohen but if you're going to work on that i can help too
14:58 magnuse tcohen: cool!
14:58 tcohen yes magnuse
14:58 jcamins gmcharlt: why are you looking at Library::Callnumber::LC?
14:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
14:57 magnuse tcohen: you proposed some new sysprefs for bug 7187 - do you plan to work on that?
14:55 jcamins tcohen: latest and "last LTS" should be identical in almost all cases.
14:55 tcohen I mean, people can folow the instructions for the latest LTS and solve the missing bits
14:54 tcohen but if mtompset's scripts make it an easy task, well, if we have the time to maintain that...
14:54 eythian latest almost comes for free really
14:53 tcohen I belive 'latest' is too much :-D
14:53 tcohen the same for ubuntu.packages and so on
14:53 tcohen supporting means (for example) we maintain the docs for just those releases
14:53 jcamins The plan is to provide .packages files for 10.04, 12.04, and "latest" Ubuntu.
14:52 eythian tcohen: well, it depends what you mean by "supporting" too. Really the only hard requirement is the Perl version supported.
14:52 jcamins libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl is the exception, but it still hasn't been accepted to 3.6.x.
14:51 tcohen (recent ones)
14:50 tcohen I proposed supporting LTS Ubuntu Releases
14:50 sekjal tcohen: sounds good... I'll move it there now
14:50 tcohen maybe we could continue the discussion on officialy supported distros on koha-dev
14:48 magnuse jcamins: yeah, that sounds doable ;-)
14:48 eythian (if we can help it)
14:48 eythian sekjal: we don't tend to introduce new dependencies into minor updates.
14:48 jcamins I leave an @later for eythian saying "Please add such-and-such package to oldstable on debian.k-c.org.
14:48 jcamins magnuse: getting packages into debian.k-c.org is easy.
14:48 magnuse :-)
14:47 jcamins magnuse: mmmm. Pizza.
14:47 magnuse jcamins and sekjal: hm, not sure that makes sense to me, but my brain is starting to crave pizza...
14:46 magnuse wb slef
14:46 sekjal hi, slef
14:46 slef hi all. I'm back.
14:46 sekjal magnuse: either rejecting the patch, or deferring it until the next major release of Koha, pending an agreement to bump the requirements
14:45 jcamins magnuse: there are legitimate use cases for many things that aren't currently packaged.
14:45 jcamins magnuse: I require all proposed dependencies be packaged in the debian.k-c.org.
14:45 gmcharlt nice might be all Ubuntu LTS release
14:45 magnuse would that include rejecting patches that introduce new dependencies that are not packaged for that OS/version?
14:44 jcamins sekjal: my policy on 3.6.x is Ubuntu 10.04+ and Debian 6.0+.
14:43 sekjal would make QA easier
14:43 sekjal promise that Koha will run on X, Y and Z, and reject patches that break any one of those
14:43 sekjal I think we should do the same for OS support
14:43 jcamins gmcharlt: I'm not sure, but it seems like a good idea to me.
14:43 gmcharlt jcamins: do you recall if there was any though to using Library::CallNumber::LC rather than the existing LCC call number sort routine?
14:43 eythian sekjal: I'm not sure there is a list. I know debian stable and ubuntu 12.04 are fine. I think that debian stable's perl version tends to be prescriptive.
14:42 sekjal err, perscriptively
14:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Update Ubuntu related files
14:42 jcamins Bug 8478.
14:42 sekjal we've set a minimum Perl version that Koha should work with, proscriptively
14:42 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8489 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Revised ubuntu-pkg-check.sh, renamed ubuntu package files, tweaked 12.04 package file, copied 12.04 package file to ubuntu.packages
14:42 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
14:42 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Update Ubuntu related files
14:42 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7764 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu needs updating
14:42 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu Packages/CPAN notes out of date for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid)
14:42 jcamins @query ubuntu.packages
14:42 jcamins I'm not having much luck with huginn today.
14:41 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5617 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix-perl-path.pl misses some files
14:41 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , INSTALL.ubuntu Packages/CPAN notes out of date for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid)
14:41 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6876 minor, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , oai-pmh ListMetadataFormats marcxml definition
14:41 sekjal and if so, is it descriptive or proscriptive?
14:41 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4800 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Disable book cover image in the title view if the feature is on in the OPAC.
14:41 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
14:41 jcamins @query ubuntu
14:41 sekjal is there an up-to-date wiki page?
14:41 sekjal that raises an interesting question: where are we keeping track of what OS's and versions Koha will run on?
14:40 eythian sekjal: I mean for installing koha on.
14:40 jcamins I doubt it will for Master.
14:40 sekjal just not this particular one
14:40 jcamins eythian: it does for 3.6.x.
14:40 sekjal eythian: works fine for me for most tasks
14:40 eythian I guess sekjal will find out ;)
14:40 eythian yeah, I can't remember if 10.04 works still or not.
14:40 * jcamins just tells people using 10.04 that they need to upgrade to 12.04 at this point.
14:39 wahanui okay, eythian.
14:39 eythian no wahanui, 10.04 is not the most recent LTS, 12.04 is.
14:39 jcamins Ouch.
14:39 wahanui i guess 10.04 is the most recent LTS still, I think.
14:39 jcamins Oh, 10.04?
14:39 jcamins squeeze (stable) (perl): Perl client for memcached, in C language
14:39 jcamins Package libcache-memcached-fast-perl
14:39 eythian ohh. 10.04.
14:39 sekjal (natively)
14:39 sekjal jcamins: not anywhere my Ubuntu 10.04 laptop can get it
14:39 eythian I think the non -fast version is
14:39 jcamins libcache-memcached-fast-perl isn't packaged by default?
14:38 eythian sekjal: yep
14:38 sekjal eythian; also in debian.k-c?
14:37 sekjal jcamins: ah, thank you... I figured it might be a case of missing deps
14:37 jcamins There's a patch correcting that dependency in C4::Installer::PerlDependencies.
14:37 magnuse sekjal: i just apt-got that one :-)
14:36 liw eythian, aye
14:36 eythian sekjal: libcache-memcached-fast-perl
14:36 eythian liw: that's my plan, time constraints are very against me unfortunately :( I should try to do one a week or something.
14:36 sekjal more problems with 00-load.t: Error: Can't locate Cache/Memcached/Fast.pm in @INC
14:35 eythian basically, it's suggested to add the debian.k-c repo, and things go fairly smoothly :)
14:34 sekjal I'm frustrated, but I don't feel like I've got a real leg to stand on complaining, because I've been out of the loop for so long
14:34 liw eythian is now part of the Debian perl packaging team and can help get everything Koha needs into Debian
14:33 jcamins sekjal: true.
14:32 eythian and that was because liw managed to get everything needed into squeeze before it was released.
14:32 sekjal jcamins: cart definitely needs to be translatable... but using that particular package isn't necessarily the only way to do that
14:32 eythian yeah, that wasn't for very long though
14:32 sekjal eythian: for a while there, everything was available as a debian package in Squeeze
14:32 eythian now you just need it from another repo, which is nicer than cpan.
14:31 eythian sekjal: well, there's always been stuff you needed from CPAN
14:31 jcamins sekjal: many of them are packaged in Wheezy, and things like having the cart translatable are definitely critical.
14:31 jcamins Oh.
14:31 eythian snap
14:31 wahanui i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
14:31 wahanui rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
14:31 oleonard packages?
14:31 eythian wahanui: packages
14:30 jcamins That's odd.
14:30 sekjal I would question necessity in such cases
14:30 eythian only 3 or 4 at this stage
14:30 wahanui hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
14:30 jcamins debian?
14:30 oleonard Are there instructions for adding the k-c repo and getting stuff like Template::Plugin::HtmlToText?
14:30 eythian where necessary
14:30 sekjal so now we've got packages beyond just koha?
14:30 eythian that'll make it work
14:30 eythian yeah
14:29 kf installing the dependency - but probably because I have that on my list of sources?
14:29 jcamins kf: what did?
14:29 kf ah
14:29 kf hm worked for me
14:29 eythian sekjal: it is in the koha debian repo
14:29 jcamins sekjal: it's in the k-c repo.
14:29 sekjal and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl isn't valid
14:29 kf used for sending out cart emails
14:28 jcamins No, that one is required.
14:28 sekjal Template::Plugin::HtmlToText is the only one marked required
14:28 oleonard Template::Plugin::HtmlToText?
14:28 jcamins One or two others.
14:28 jcamins sekjal: you can ignore the Data::Pag* and...
14:28 sekjal and they don't seem to be packaged with the names I'd expect
14:28 sekjal missing 9 dependencies...
14:26 sekjal ::sigh::
14:26 sekjal helped
14:25 jcamins That'd probably help.
14:25 jcamins Yup.
14:25 sekjal getting rusty...
14:25 sekjal probably need to export my KOHA_CONF
14:25 sekjal ah
14:25 Viktor Oh my - sorry @magnuse and @kf - nobody was on here and I was looking into some Python projects. Discovered all sorts of discussion going on just now as I'm packing up to go home.
14:25 sekjal Error: Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at C4/Context.pm line 746.
14:24 jcamins Try perl -c C4/Members/Statistics.pm
14:24 jcamins sekjal: do you get any sort of error message?
14:23 wajasu ok jcamins looking a 8622
14:23 jcamins All it depends on is Modern::Perl, too.
14:22 jcamins sekjal: not me.
14:21 sekjal C4::Members::Statistics fails to in t/00-load.t
14:21 sekjal anyone else having problems with prove t?
14:21 jcamins wajasu: but note that you have to sign off on my branch because the patches were too big to attach to Bugzilla.
14:20 jcamins Uhhh... then you find the bug with the new theme.
14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8573 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Translation difficult in picture-upload.tt due to nested sentence in if/foreach/if/elsif - construction
14:20 jcamins Bug 8573
14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8357 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , UNIMARCslim2OPACDetail.xsl, title without class and too links to views
14:20 jcamins Bug 8357
14:20 jcamins No.
14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8537 normal, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, In moremember.pl the call of output_pref is without check
14:20 jcamins Then you install bug 8537, and see if you can use the new theme.
14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
14:20 jcamins wajasu: start with bug 8622. The first thing to do is check that Koha still functions with that patch applied.
14:19 jcamins Ah.
14:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, Pushed to Master , opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL
14:19 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha themes broken
14:19 jcamins Hm.
14:19 jcamins @query themes broken
14:19 kf sekjal: you can ignore ean - it only works for unimarc
14:18 jcamins sekjal: also, as wajasu points out, there's a working mobile theme awaiting signoff.
14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
14:18 jcamins And we've gone a bit Pluggable crazy in bug 7417 and bug 8209.
14:18 wajasu jcamins: so where should i start with tesing/theme stuff? i read that some fallback yada yada was broken.
14:17 jcamins sekjal: I'm proposing replacing C4::Search with Evergreen's QueryParser.
14:17 sekjal wow... I've been away for a while... we've got biblioitems.ean, and C4::Member::Statistics.... Koha's a different place
14:14 jcamins wajasu: worth a try.
14:14 wajasu to the equivalent TT template, then just sumbit it for processing. Then with our model backing it... the FOREACH for items is the ticket i think.
14:14 wajasu i wonder if we can convert <item>"<<biblio.title>>" by <<biblio.author>>, <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>> Fine: <fine>USD</fine></item>
14:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @saschel: "Heard today that library Agentschap Onroerend Erfgoed in Brussels will move to #kohails soon. Anybody anymore news? #super / @vioe"
14:11 eythian but then I lose my sequence field
14:11 kf hm was thinking to use it on the dates
14:11 eythian I want the most recent one from the latest received serials.
14:10 eythian (serial issue fields, in this case)
14:10 eythian no, max won't work as I'm not dealing with just numbers.
14:10 kf max()?
14:09 eythian was hoping for something a bit nicer, but I guess it's OK
14:09 eythian jcamins: that's what I'm thinking really.
14:09 jcamins eythian: subquery with group by?
14:09 eythian and distinct looks for duplicate rows, not fields.
14:09 eythian group by seems prone to picking the wrong field later on.
14:08 eythian hey, I have an SQL query that may return the same biblionumber several times, with different information after that, but I only want it to output the first one it sees. Is there a good way to do that?
14:07 jcamins Yep.
14:07 jcamins That only took me several days of frustration to figure out.
14:07 eythian that would be an issue
14:07 jcamins eythian: right, but what MIME::Lite::TT::HTML creates isn't acceptable to sendmail.
14:06 eythian well, we have our own email queuing thing already
14:06 jcamins No queuing possible.
14:06 wajasu but it would be nice to let a user edit their template/notice, with it rendered side by side in the page (via submit or ajax).
14:06 jcamins You *have* to send the e-mail immediately.
14:06 jcamins Oh, yes, I remember.
14:05 jcamins I can't remember exactly what issues I had with it, but there were definitely issues.
14:04 wajasu oh
14:04 jcamins It's kind of brittle.
14:03 jcamins_away wajasu: MIME::Lite::TT::HTML has some issues.
14:01 wajasu i also saw MIME::Lite::TT::HTML which lets us send email notices via sendmail or directly to SMTP server (a syspref), so then many shops don't have to set up sendmail client.
13:59 sekjal morning, #koha
13:58 wajasu this also means all our custom biblio details pages could be in the db.
13:58 wajasu if we could write a Template::Toolkit::Provider against the database, we could grab them from there, so when our hosting providers upgrade, the custom templates are in the db dump, and not external in the filesystem.
13:57 gmcharlt and of course, we can also define helper functions to make common tasks easier
13:57 kf yep, cool :)
13:56 magnuse gmcharlt: cool!
13:56 wajasu i know we can convert our existing simple template to tt format for backend logic. and if the library wanted more power, we could have a dropdown to switch per template.
13:56 gmcharlt at least, not more than *any* template language might be in general
13:56 gmcharlt kf: I think it is -- Evergreen uses TT for its notices, and I haven't observed any particular difficulty on the part of librarians
13:54 kf we would stil have to keep it simple for libraries somehow
13:54 wajasu you guys love template toolkit. has anyone suggested using tt for our notices/emails? after working in the overdue_notice and Letters.pm substitution stuff, we could leverage it.
13:47 libsysguy so far its been a learning process with CGI but not aweful
13:47 libsysguy also oleonard I've been working on using the calendar with ajax
13:46 libsysguy thanks oleonard
13:46 oleonard Awesome, good find libsysguy
13:45 oleonard You're right eythian
13:43 eythian (looking at your 'in')
13:43 eythian I forget if it's sensitive or not, but I think it can be.
13:43 eythian oleonard: caps?
13:43 oleonard libsysguy: This doesn't work for me: [% FOREACH number in [ 1 .. 30 ]%] [% number %] [% END %]
13:42 kf and I am sure you can live without me making you proof read my mails too
13:42 kf the programme is in English :P
13:41 eythian for an English workshop, you're still sending emails in some funny moon language.
13:41 libsysguy cait last example under list references
13:41 kf only thought a line number would be more stylish
13:41 eythian line numbers don't work in HTML so well, but my browser does give a percentage :)
13:40 libsysguy i scrolled by that countless times
13:40 kf what, no line number?
13:39 eythian http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Variables.html <-- 31% down this page
13:39 libsysguy soab...
13:39 libsysguy i think I found it in a cpan tutorial for TT
13:39 eythian > You can also create simple numerical sequences using the .. range operator:
13:37 libsysguy eythan that syntax isn't in there I don't think
13:37 kf I did.
13:37 eythian g'wan, you can do it
13:37 * oleonard was searching for that syntax in that manual yesterday eythian
13:37 kf eythian: tell me to hit send.
13:37 libsysguy sorry, I was so excited to type it and share
13:36 kf ah right, then it should be ok :)
13:36 eythian http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/ <-- you guys know this, right?
13:36 libsysguy oh the number partâ€¦thats by mistakeâ€¦it is [%
13:36 oleonard not [% number %] ?
13:36 kf [" number "] < this part here
13:35 kf I wonder how the translation scripts like that
13:35 libsysguy you can't use ( like a normal array
13:35 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
13:35 eythian @later tell nengard when you get to documenting the serials table, the status field is: 1=expected, 2=arrived, 3=late, 4=missing, 5=not available
13:35 libsysguy kf just [ like an array reference
13:35 libsysguy spent several days
13:35 magnuse ... or at least i could ...
13:35 libsysguy deep in the fire of some template doc
13:35 kf [" or [%?
13:35 magnuse heh, that's the kind of thing you could spend half a day figuring out...
13:35 kf hmm
13:34 oleonard Where did you find that libsysguy ?
13:34 libsysguy turns out the spaces after the ..'s are important
13:34 * oleonard was trying to do exactly that just yesterday
13:34 libsysguy [% FOREACH number in [1 .. 30 ]%] <option>[" number "]</option> [% END %]
13:33 libsysguy you can do:
13:32 libsysguy say I wanted a select statement in html from 1-30 but i didn't want to copy paste
13:32 libsysguy ok so a for loop without a pre-defined array
13:32 kf lol
13:31 oleonard Ooh I love template things.
13:31 kf oh? :)
13:31 libsysguy oh oh kf I found out how to do that template thing you were trying to help with the other day
13:30 libsysguy hi kf
13:30 libsysguy hehe
13:30 wahanui libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
13:30 kf libsysguy?
13:30 kf hi libsysguy
13:29 kf I think serial has most likely what you need
13:29 kf ah no not there
13:29 eythian hmm, could be promising. I was wading through the subscription table
13:28 kf ah no, serial
13:27 kf have you checked the serialitems table?
13:27 kf hm I think so
13:26 eythian like, is "last received date" hidden around somewhere?
13:26 eythian do we have any way of know when a particular subscription last received a new item, assuming that you don't create items for these?
12:48 * jcamins_away has to head into the city, but will be back later.
12:47 hdl1 export is export.
12:47 hdl1 will try your suggestion later.
12:47 hdl1 trying to use icu at the moment
12:46 jcamins_away If the problem were in the indexing configuration, you should have a term chien[something]
12:45 jcamins_away What if you do a scan on 'chie'?
12:44 jcamins_away 2.0.44.
12:44 hdl1 jcamins_away: what zebra version are you using ?
12:44 hdl1 But my "wonder" is that it is NOT the expected behaviour.
12:43 * kf will leave it to the experts
12:43 jcamins_away That's... bizarre.
12:43 hdl1 jcamins_away: it works as expected without the @attr 5=
12:43 hdl1 kf: Yes, but zebra search is : only right truncation, no fuzzy
12:42 jcamins_away What do you get with @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 chien?
12:42 kf Chine < looks like fuzzy would effect it
12:41 hdl1 which is not having chien in any field
12:41 hdl1 ConformitÃ© des ceremonies chinoises avec l'idolatrie grecque et romaine. Pour servir de confirmation Ã l'Apologie des dominicains missionnaires de la Chine. Par un religieux docteur & professeur en theologie
12:39 * druthb delivers coffee to jcamins_away, who isn't, quite, away, anymore.
12:39 hdl1 and I get :
12:39 hdl1 f @attr 1=1016 @attr 4=6 @attr 5=1 chien
12:39 * jcamins_away hasn't had any coffee.
12:39 jcamins_away *turned off
12:39 jcamins_away Does it still happen with QueryWeightFields?
12:38 hdl1 jcamins_away: zebra query is
12:38 hdl1 jcamins_away: already done.
12:38 jcamins_away hdl1: turn off everything except for QueryWeightFields, and see if the problem still occurs.
12:28 hdl1 and chinois
12:28 hdl1 when used to search chien, it also finds chine
12:27 hdl1 anyone having a weird right truncation ? zebra_start 2.0.44
12:25 magnuse :-(
12:15 mbalmer not reachable from .ch either
12:14 magnuse maybe fredericd needs to kick it?
12:13 magnuse thanks liw
12:13 liw magnuse, does not work for me
12:07 magnuse anyone else getting through to http://translate.koha-community.org/ ?
11:00 kf hi Viktor :)
10:24 magnuse tjÃ¤nare viktor
09:17 magnuse ;-)
09:17 magnuse nah, that sounds like fun!
09:16 eythian when it makes firefox die for me, it crashes on startup, which is annoying.
09:11 magnuse it just refused to do anything
09:11 magnuse ah, seems to work after a restart of firefox
09:07 eythian just recently though
09:07 eythian it crashes firefox for me sometimes
09:07 kf what does it do?
09:05 magnuse huh, how am i supposed to get any work done when Firebug refuses to cooperate?
08:12 * magnuse takes padre for a spin
08:11 magnuse hehe
08:06 drojf NZ++ :D
08:06 drojf lol
08:06 kf heh
08:06 eythian Unless it's been a bad week, then you could probably get away with starting earlier ;)
08:06 eythian at Catalyst, anyway
08:06 eythian in NZ
08:06 eythian well, it's frowned upon before 4pm on a Friday.
08:05 kf yeah, I think it's similar here
08:05 magnuse you can go to a pub after work, but drinking in the workplace would be frowned upon
08:04 magnuse in norway, alcohol in the workplace is a strict no-no
08:04 magnuse still some time left then
08:04 kf 28/29
08:02 magnuse when is the workshop?
08:02 magnuse :-)
08:02 magnuse icecream > beer
08:01 kf more likely we will have icecream-o-clock ;)
08:01 kf eythian: I have been trying to implement that here... but with no success so far
08:01 eythian also that :)
08:01 kf hopefully finishing the program for the workshop :)
08:01 eythian Not a lot so far. I can only assume that they have a German-beer o'clock at 4pm precisely ;)
08:00 magnuse s/`/?/
08:00 magnuse so what's happening in konstanz today`
07:59 magnuse not too bad either
07:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0Â°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:59 magnuse @wunder boo
07:59 magnuse nice
07:59 eythian warming up...
07:59 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.8Â°C (9:55 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 16.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:59 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:59 magnuse hiya kf and eythian
07:58 eythian hola magnuse
07:57 kf hi magnuse :)
07:51 magnuse happy pizza day!
07:50 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:33 drojf help
07:33 drojf but without thunderbird, that will halp a lot
07:33 drojf not completely, i'll take my tablet. and the raspi :D
07:33 kf taking an internet break? :)
07:32 drojf and i will spend it without notebook at my mum's \o/
07:32 kf but it's not too warm today
07:32 kf the weather reports look like it
07:32 drojf seems like we will have a very hot weekend
07:31 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.7Â°C (9:25 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 16.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:31 kf @wunder Konstanz
07:31 huginn drojf: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Hannover DE, Bueckeburg, Germany is 17.8Â°C (9:02 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 11.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
07:31 drojf @wunder rodenberg, germany
07:31 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8Â°C (9:12 AM CEST on August 17, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 14.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:31 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:28 eythian hi kf
07:28 kf good morning eythian :)
07:26 kf hi mt hi drojf :)
07:25 drojf hi mtj and kf
07:21 kf hi #koha
07:12 mtj bonjour europe
07:11 drojf bonjour clrh
07:11 wahanui what's up, clrh
07:11 clrh hello
07:06 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke.
07:06 drojf hey francharb
07:06 francharb hi
06:55 drojf evening would be better for me too
06:55 wahanui hmmm... evening is better for me - but not too late
06:55 bag evening
06:54 drojf good morning #koha
06:34 cait brb
06:13 wajasu me too
06:12 cait same for me
05:52 mveron http://translate.koha-community.org/ seems to be down?
05:52 mveron Good morning #koha
04:43 cait good morning #koha
02:58 * wizzyrea cries a little
02:57 rangi too slow :)
02:57 wizzyrea oyyy
02:57 rangi heh
02:56 wizzyrea libsysguy: also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcJFdCmN98s
02:32 wajasu kill -9
02:32 wajasu that made my day.
02:14 libsysguy after having to use this twice I feel the need to post this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4
01:32 wizzyrea ?
01:32 wizzyrea oh course reserves/
01:29 mtj ah, that makes more senseâ€¦ and i thought you just liked a challenge :)
01:26 wajasu i failed it. its actually what my users wanted 3 years ago. if instructors can tag their course/syllabus reading material, then maybe rules that keep at least one on the shelf, etc will get requested.
00:54 mtj wajasu, you've selected an impressively difficult patch to sign-off on :p
00:43 wajasu ok, i see he needed a line in the target_map, and he's got unbalanced updatedatabase.pl i'm throwing it back. its not evident.
00:11 jcamins Well, everything needs to work for a standard install.
00:09 wajasu i used find to find 3 perl routines. He did it right for the OPAC, but left out these routines. its only because i am doing a std install and he is probably dev install.
00:08 jcamins If you'd like you can try to troubleshoot it.
00:08 jcamins If you're not sure what the problem is, there will be less confusion for all involved if you toss it back. Often what happens is the wrong patch gets uploaded.
00:07 wajasu this is the second time around.
00:07 jcamins You should report it's not working and let the author do it.
00:07 jcamins No.
00:07 wajasu should i look into editting Makefile.PL or something else.
00:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves
00:06 wajasu i'm attempting bug 8215 again since a newer patch was submitted. but i'm afraid the patch writer is just leaving out a couple of perl routines that "copy" the code to the right directory on the intranet side.