Time  Nick          Message
00:11 Judit         morning
00:11 Judit         did you know there is a facebook page for koha community? http://www.facebook.com/KOHA.COMMUNITY
00:41 rangi         no i didnt
00:41 rangi         cool!
00:42 rangi         looks like its for the place KOHA not Koha the ILS :)
00:43 rangi         in malaysia
00:45 Judit         there is akoha community cafe in victoria- again on facebook
01:50 Judit         http://www.facebook.com/pages/Koha-Community-Cafe/323847370751
01:51 rangi         cool
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02:18 mtompset      Greetings, #koha.
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05:00 mtompset      Greetings, cait
05:00 cait          hi mtompset :)
05:02 mtompset      Looks like I get to work on my Koha bugs today.
05:09 cait          :)
05:10 mbalmer       guten morgen!
05:12 cait          guten morgen :)
05:12 mtompset      Greetings, mbalmer.
05:23 mtompset      Question... does the copyright date have to have a period on the end?
05:24 mtompset      Do you know, cait?
05:24 cait          hm not sure I have the right answer
05:25 cait          if you stick to the standard very strictly - I think so
05:25 cait          needs a period
05:25 cait          but I think Koha doesn't care much if you don't
05:25 cait          it's more a matter of display than of anything else
05:38 mtompset      So, the next question...
05:39 mtompset      Why do some have MARC displaying c1999.
05:39 mtompset      and some only have 2001?
05:39 mtompset      Where are the "c" and "." coming from?
05:39 mtompset      because even in 3.6.3 the copyrightdate is numeric only.
05:40 cait          copyright
05:40 cait          period because of the standard
05:40 cait          isbd punctuation
05:40 cait          and that is in marc, the other is the database
05:40 cait          the marcxml has c1999., the copyright column in the database has 1999 normalized
05:41 mtompset      AH... so if the copyright column is null, it pulls it from the marcxml?
05:41 mtompset      That makes sense in a bizarre way!
05:42 cait          hm no not really
05:42 cait          it depends on where you are looking
05:42 cait          which information koha pulls
05:42 cait          it's not exactly falling back afaik
05:44 mtompset      well, there is a "normal" "marc" "labeled marc" etc. tabs on the left, I choose MARC after having done a search.
05:44 mtompset      Go to the '2', so I can see 2XX fields.
05:44 mtompset      And look at 260$a and 260$c.
05:46 mtompset      sometimes I see c####. in 260$c, and sometimes I don't.
05:46 mtompset      I just did a random search now, and found ####.
05:46 mtompset      No c, just a period.
05:48 cait          yes
05:48 cait          that's about cataloguing not koha
05:49 cait          marc21 standard
05:49 cait          http://loc.gov/marc
05:49 mib_h4c4fn    hey :)
05:52 cait          hi mib_h4c4fn
05:54 mib_h4c4fn    hey i have some questions about Call Number
05:54 mib_h4c4fn    =LDR  ,=008  ,=020$a  ,=041$a  ,=100$a ,=245$a ,=260$a ,=260$b ,=260$c ,=300$a,  =942$e
05:55 mib_h4c4fn    i have records with these tags and i want to generate Call Numbers for them with the marc edit tool
05:56 cait          mib_h4c4fn: sorry, I don't know marcedit well enough here
05:56 cait          maybe look for a function to copy from oen field into another
05:56 cait          marcedit doesn't run on linux, so I can't use it
05:56 mib_h4c4fn    its that i dont have the call numbers i want to generate them
05:57 mib_h4c4fn    so beside marc edit is there any way?
06:09 mtompset      What do you mean you don't have the call numbers? You should know what they are, but they aren't in your MARC file, right?
06:11 mtompset      I think... what was they tutorial link posted here yesterday?
06:11 mtompset      irc logs?
06:11 wahanui       irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
06:12 mtompset      http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/01/18/using-marcedit-to-add-koha-items/
06:12 mtompset      Maybe this video will help?
06:12 mtompset      I'm not really familiar with MarcEdit either.
06:15 mtompset      You were right, cait. It doesn't fall back. It uses the marcxml to display/edit in that particular tab.
06:15 mtompset      It uses copyrightdate to display elsewhere.
06:35 mtompset      bonjour, sophie_m hdl :)
06:35 sophie_m      hi mtompset :-)
06:36 mtompset      Is there a way to batch edit the marcxml?
06:42 cait          brb
06:47 drojf         good morning #koha
07:01 Joubu         hello #koha
07:02 ala_3vo       hi #koha, how do you do upgrade of koha?
07:04 ala_3vo       This is upgrading koha-common on debian squeeze.
07:04 francharb     hi #koha
07:04 drojf         ala_3vo: what version?
07:04 drojf         bonjour francharb
07:04 ala_3vo       koha 3.6 to current version
07:05 francharb     guten tag drojf ;)
07:05 ala_3vo       I believe the current version is 3.9
07:05 drojf         ala_3vo: the normal upgrade like with other packages. apt-get update; apt-get upgrade. or maybe apt-get dist-upgrade
07:06 ala_3vo       can I just apt-get install koha-common?
07:06 drojf         no, you already have it installed
07:06 drojf         so that won't work
07:06 drojf         3.8 is the latest version btw
07:07 drojf         you should keep your system up to date anyway, so you should upgrade everything, not just the koha package
07:07 ala_3vo       I have tried installing koha-common and have got koha 3.9
07:07 gaetan_B      hello
07:07 drojf         ala_3vo: that is the database version probably, the package should be 3.8.something
07:09 drojf         ala_3vo: do "sudo apt-get update". after that is run through, do "sudo apt-get upgrade". if you get a message that koha-common was held back, do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
07:09 drojf         that should get you to the latest koha version
07:09 drojf         and an up to date system in general
07:12 ala_3vo       thanks drojf, I'll try that out.
07:12 * magnuse     waves from his little cabin in the woods
07:13 drojf         hei magnuse
07:13 magnuse       hiya drojf
07:22 mtompset      Greetings, drojf and magnuse
07:23 mtompset      Greetings, gaetan_B
07:23 drojf         hey mtompset
07:23 wahanui       i guess mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons.
07:23 mtompset      Greetings, Joubu
07:23 gaetan_B      greetings mtompset :)
07:23 mtompset      It would be funnier and cooler to use 'and salutations', gaetan_B. ;)
07:24 rangi         evening
07:25 mtompset      afternoon, rangi. ;)
07:25 drojf         hi rangi
07:25 rangi         ala_3vo: if you are getting 3.9 then you need to check your sources.list you might have the development repository .. it shoulld be squeeze not squeeze-dev
07:26 * mtompset    is aware it is evening where you are. It's afternoon here. :)
07:26 magnuse       hiya mtompset gaetan_B rangi
07:28 gaetan_B      hello magnuse :)
07:29 gaetan_B      ah mtompset, so what would it be where you are ? selamat something ?
07:29 mtompset      Magandang hapon.
07:30 mtompset      But I'm Canadian, so I'll take English. :)
07:32 drojf         rangi: oh yes, forgot about a possible -dev package
07:33 mtompset      Salamat is thank you.
07:33 mtompset      However, depending on relationship closeness and/or age differences, you usually add "po" to show respect.
07:34 drojf         so our translation po-files are very respectful? i like that
07:35 mtompset      That is a thought that crossed my mind when I first saw that.
07:35 drojf         :)
07:36 mtompset      But after getting frustrated with them one day, I considered the possibility that they missed an o. ;)
07:36 drojf         hahaha
07:37 gaetan_B      :d
07:37 mtompset      Is there a koha library way of running through the biblionumbers? Or do I have to open the DB myself?
07:39 sophie_m      mtompset: with a report ?
07:39 mtompset      No, as a perl script I'm writing.
07:42 drojf         isn't there a touch-all-biblios script or something? maybe have a look at that
07:53 mib_h4c4fn    sorry i wasnt here .....no i dont have the Call Numbers.....the marc edit tool has a function which Generate Call Numbers for you .. i want to know how to use that...or how should i make call numbers for my recored?
07:53 mib_h4c4fn    records*
07:54 rangi         you might be better off asking on the marcedit mailing list
07:55 rangi         ive never used it
08:03 ala_3vo       I have tried sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get upgrade" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade koha 3.6 to latest version but it is still 3.6. Anything I missed?
08:04 rangi         it wont be 3.6
08:04 rangi         it will be 3.6.something
08:05 rangi         is it 3.6.7 ?
08:05 rangi         try this
08:05 ala_3vo       3.06.04.000
08:05 rangi         sounds to me like your sources.list is messed up
08:05 rangi         apt-cache policy koha-common
08:05 rangi         then use
08:05 rangi         paste?
08:05 wahanui       it has been said that paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
08:05 rangi         that url to paste the output
08:06 mtompset      OR...
08:07 mtompset      did you pin it?
08:07 rangi         mtompset: lets just try one thing first eh
08:07 mtompset      True... just thought I'd mention it, lest someone forget that possibility.
08:07 rangi         what i asked him to try would tell us if it was pinned anyway
08:09 rangi         apt-cache policy is very very handy
08:10 pastebot      "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my apt-cache output" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/98
08:11 ala_3vo       koha-common:   Installed: 3.6.4-1   Candidate: 3.8.3.1-1   Version table:      3.8.3.1-1 0         500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/ squeeze/main i386 Packages  *** 3.6.4-1 0         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
08:12 rangi         try this
08:12 rangi         sudo apt-get install koha-common
08:12 rangi         that is if you want to go to 3.8.3
08:12 rangi         if you want to go to 3.6.7
08:13 rangi         you can change your sources.list file
08:13 mib_vh4gd4    am really sorry i got disconnected im the one who was asking about call number
08:13 rangi         19:52 < rangi> you might be better off asking on the marcedit mailing list
08:13 rangi         19:53 < rangi> ive never used it
08:13 rangi         is what i said when you asked
08:13 ala_3vo       I've got broken packages
08:14 rangi         there ya go, thats why it wouldnt update
08:14 rangi         apt-get -f install
08:14 rangi         you are missing a dependency i bet
08:15 ala_3vo       Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:   libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
08:16 rangi         ala_3vo: its better if you use http://paste.koha-community.org/
08:16 rangi         to paste things
08:16 * drojf       hits the shower
08:16 rangi         can you try the apt-get install koha-common again
08:16 rangi         and paste the output of that
08:17 rangi         you are running debian squeeze eh?
08:18 ala_3vo       yes
08:18 ala_3vo       have you seen the paste?
08:19 rangi         no
08:19 rangi         whats the url?
08:19 wahanui       rumour has it the url is horrid :)
08:20 ala_3vo       I'm new to the paste, how to I do it?
08:21 magnuse       paste?
08:21 wahanui       rumour has it paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
08:21 magnuse       ala_3vo: go to that url and fill in the info it asks for
08:21 ala_3vo       thanks magnuse
08:22 ala_3vo       ok, it should be there
08:23 rangi         did you choose the channel to be #koha
08:24 ala_3vo       rangi, I believe I've send it
08:26 rangi         you mustnt have chosen the channel or pastebot would have told us the url
08:26 rangi         what is the url of the page you are now looking at?
08:27 ala_3vo       http://paste.koha-community.org/102?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21
08:28 mtompset      You are using debian, right?
08:29 ala_3vo       yes
08:29 ala_3vo       debian squeeze 6
08:29 rangi         those packages should be in there
08:29 rangi         what does
08:30 rangi         apt-cache policy libtest-strict-perl
08:30 rangi         say?
08:30 ala_3vo       libtest-strict-perl:   Installed: (none)   Candidate: (none)   Version table:
08:30 * mtompset    notices how useful apt-cache policy is becoming in this debugging process.
08:31 rangi         hmmm
08:32 rangi         that should be in squeeze/main
08:32 rangi         can you do
08:32 rangi         cat /etc/apt/sources.list
08:32 mtompset      something has to be wrong with sources.list and sources.list.d/*
08:32 rangi         yep
08:34 ala_3vo       http://paste.koha-community.org/103?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21
08:34 ala_3vo       the paste of sources.list
08:35 rangi         i wonder if the ihug mirror is out of date
08:37 rangi         http://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/pool/main/libt/libtest-strict-perl/
08:38 rangi         apt-cache policy libtest-strict-perl
08:38 rangi         libtest-strict-perl:
08:38 rangi         Installed: (none)
08:38 rangi         Candidate: 0.14-1
08:38 rangi         Version table:
08:38 rangi         0.14-1 0
08:38 rangi         not sure whats up, the apt-get update succeeded eh?
08:39 ala_3vo       there was an error
08:39 ala_3vo       can that be firewall issue?
08:39 rangi         where in nz are you anyway?
08:39 rangi         i wont know unless you show us the error :)
08:39 ala_3vo       I'm in the solomon islands
08:40 magnuse       ala_3vo: if you set 1 channel = #koha, 2. your nick = ala_3vo, 3. summary = some description of what you paste -- then the url of what you pasted be automagically visible here :-)
08:40 rangi         ahhhh, thats right i met you a while back :)
08:41 ala_3vo       it says unable to fetch file.
08:41 rangi         ah ha
08:42 rangi         yep thats the problem, you could try this
08:43 ala_3vo       rangi, that must be a different person
08:43 ala_3vo       I'm really new with koha
08:43 mveron        Hi everybody #koha
08:43 rangi         ala_3vo: didn't you visit nz for some training?
08:43 drojf         hi mveron
08:43 mveron        hi drojf
08:43 ala_3vo       yes, 2 months ago
08:44 rangi         ala_3vo:yep i met you then
08:44 rangi         robin was doing the training
08:44 drojf         heh rangi nows everybody related to koha
08:44 ala_3vo       okay, yes that right.
08:44 rangi         ala_3vo: do you have a text editor you prefer?
08:44 ala_3vo       gedit
08:45 rangi         ok
08:45 rangi         sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
08:45 rangi         change this line
08:45 wahanui       rangi: that doesn't look right
08:45 rangi         deb ftp://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/ squeeze main contrib
08:45 rangi         to be
08:45 rangi         deb http://debian.ihug.co.nz/debian/ squeeze main contrib
08:45 rangi         then save the file
08:45 rangi         and try apt-get update again
08:49 mtompset      that wouldn't make sense, because then all your apt-get stuff would fail, not just selected items.
08:49 mtompset      Never mind... I had scrolled back. :)
08:49 magnuse       @wunder Honiara
08:49 huginn        magnuse: The current temperature in Honiara, Solomon Islands is 27.0°C (7:00 PM SBT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
08:52 rangi         hey eythian
08:52 wahanui       eythian is, like, in NZ. ;) or a good influence
08:52 eythian       hello
08:52 ala_3vo       I stll have error messages
08:53 * eythian     is just getting set up in Konstanz
08:53 mtompset      @wunder Konstanz
08:53 huginn        mtompset: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 21.7°C (10:50 AM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
08:53 mtompset      Sounds like a nice day there.
08:54 drojf         @wunder berlin
08:54 eythian       it is. Looks like it'll warm up a bit more too.
08:54 huginn        drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
08:54 drojf         @wunder berlin, germany
08:54 huginn        drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.2°C (10:42 AM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:54 eythian       Berlin is a myth
08:54 drojf         heh
08:55 mtompset      @wunder london
08:55 huginn        mtompset: Error: No such location could be found.
08:55 * mtompset    laughs, "as it london."
08:55 mtompset      as IS London.
08:55 mtompset      @wunder london, ontario
08:55 huginn        mtompset: The current temperature in Woodfield, London, Ontario is 18.0°C (4:53 AM EDT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:55 rangi         ala_3vo: ok, you could try this instead
08:55 rangi         change that line to
08:55 wahanui       rangi: that doesn't look right
08:56 rangi         deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib
09:00 ala_3vo       Err ftp://debian.ihug.co.nz squeeze/updates/contrib Sources   Unable to connect to debian.ihug.co.nz:ftp:
09:01 rangi         change that one to http too please instead of ftp
09:01 wahanui       rangi: that doesn't look right
09:01 rangi         eythian: we really should fix wahanui
09:02 eythian       yeah, I'm not sure what it's responding to there.
09:02 rangi         i think its change
09:02 rangi         change something
09:02 wahanui       rangi: that doesn't look right
09:02 rangi         yep thats it
09:02 eythian       looks like
09:02 eythian       I assume you can say "change something to something else"
09:03 ala_3vo       its done
09:03 drojf         change wahanui
09:03 wahanui       drojf: that doesn't look right
09:03 eythian       wahanui: something
09:03 wahanui       eythian: sorry...
09:03 eythian       wahanui: something is something
09:03 wahanui       ...but something is <reply>...
09:03 ala_3vo       rangi can I apt-get install koha-common now
09:03 eythian       no wahanui, something is something
09:03 wahanui       okay, eythian.
09:04 eythian       wahanui: something
09:04 wahanui       somebody said something was something
09:04 eythian       change something to something else
09:04 wahanui       eythian: that doesn't look right
09:04 eythian       or not.
09:04 eythian       wahanui: forget something
09:04 wahanui       eythian: I forgot something
09:04 rangi         ala_3vo: did the apt-get update suceed?
09:04 ala_3vo       yes
09:04 ala_3vo       thanks
09:05 rangi         yep, give it a whirl now
09:05 drojf         wahanui: forget change
09:05 wahanui       drojf: I forgot change
09:05 drojf         change wahanui
09:05 wahanui       drojf: that doesn't look right
09:05 drojf         hm
09:05 drojf         he lives in his own world
09:06 ala_3vo       rangi, how do I upgrade?
09:06 rangi         apt-get upgrade
09:06 wahanui       well, apt-get upgrade is a lot easier ;-)
09:08 ala_3vo       okay, thanks for the tip.
09:09 rangi         no problem, it's all working now?
09:10 ala_3vo       rangi Yes, its upgrading now.
09:12 ala_3vo       Thanks wahanui, rangi, and #koha. Its 8 pm now in the solomons.
09:12 rangi         cool
09:13 ala_3vo       see you again...have to leave
09:16 magnuse       rangi++
09:18 rangi         south pacific solidarity :)
09:19 eythian       did you get it working?
09:21 rangi         apparently so
09:21 rangi         at least it was upgrading when he left
09:22 eythian       Ok cool. Still not sure how he managed to not have backups.
09:22 rangi         yeah, me either
09:24 mtompset      rangi++
09:29 kf            good morning #koha
09:29 rangi         hi kf
09:30 eythian       hi kf
09:31 kf            that is weird.
09:58 kf            this feels a bit like scotland
09:59 eythian       heh
09:59 eythian       'cept the weather is better
10:01 kf            true
10:01 francharb     kf, hi
10:02 francharb     kf, I can't log in to my pootle account
10:02 kf            ok
10:02 kf            let me check
10:02 kf            what's your user name?
10:02 francharb     francharb
10:02 wahanui       francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
10:03 kf            ok, did you do something?
10:03 francharb     kf yep
10:03 kf            requesting a new password maybe?
10:03 francharb     yep
10:03 francharb     and created a new account
10:03 kf            hm
10:03 kf            It seems emailing is broken
10:03 kf            maybe we should file a bug
10:03 francharb     but I didn't get the confirmation email
10:03 kf            I had to manually activate lotsof accounts recently
10:04 francharb     kf, report a bug on the pootle project?
10:04 kf            yep
10:04 kf            would be cool if you could file a bug for fredericd
10:04 kf            ok
10:04 kf            I see 2 accounts for you
10:05 kf            francharb.
10:05 wahanui       francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
10:05 kf            and francharb
10:05 wahanui       francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
10:05 kf            want me to delete one?
10:05 kf            the one with the dot?
10:05 francharb     yep
10:05 francharb     yes please
10:10 mtompset      francharb
10:10 wahanui       francharb falls asleep easily at sea.  Don't believe me?  Just ask Brooke.
10:10 mtompset      brooke
10:10 mtompset      wahanui
10:10 wahanui       mtompset?
10:11 mtompset      mtompset
10:11 wahanui       you are probably currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons.
10:11 mtompset      bash
10:11 francharb     kf, I will write fredericd about this, maybe the problem doesn"t come from pootle...
10:11 kf            francharb: I think it's pootle
10:11 kf            or he will know how email is set up
10:11 kf            sorry had a phone call
10:12 francharb     no problem
10:12 francharb     kf, it looks like this one : http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137
10:12 huginn        04Bug 137: normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED MOVED, It's hard (impossible?) to delete a biblioitem which has no items.
10:13 francharb     Bug 137 - Mail not sent to registered users
10:13 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=137 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED MOVED, It's hard (impossible?) to delete a biblioitem which has no items.
10:13 kf            hm
10:13 kf            I had 3 or 4 people reporting the problem and this seems to be an old version of pootle
10:13 kf            I mean the bug is old
10:13 kf            I am not sure it's the same problem
10:14 user2         hi
10:14 eythian       The bug is a mail server misconfiguration, not a pootle issue
10:14 kf            oh and try again
10:14 kf            I deleted francharb. and activated francharb - check if permissions work
10:14 kf            eythian: yeah but mail configuraton on the pootle server maybe?
10:15 eythian       quite possible, but either way, the bug is not going to help you.
10:15 francharb     kf, thanks a lot, it works!
10:17 user2         i have enabled autobarcode generate in the form <branch code> yy mm 0001
10:18 user2         now we have reached  NLC12089999
10:19 user2         the bar code now is reset to NLC12080001 which can not be also saved because it exist
10:19 user2         any solution ?
10:26 kf            user2: I think that's a problem with the barcode schema
10:26 kf            if you get more than 9999 books in a month, it's a problem
10:28 user2         kf, we are implemented kohs this month and started cataloguing
10:28 user2         s/kohs/koha
10:29 user2         we have more than 2lakhs books
10:31 mtompset      I'd spend the rest of the day making sure the barcodes are affixed to the items. 9999 items per day is pretty productive.
10:32 mtompset      Oh... yy mm... yuck./
10:33 user2         mtompset, not in one day, we have started two weeks before
10:33 * mtompset    nods.
10:33 user2         but the autobarcode reset to 0001  after reaching 9999
10:34 mtompset      Isn't there another automatic barcode scheme that you could have chosen?
10:36 user2         other forms are "generated in the form  <year>001, <year>002."  and  "generated in the form 1,2,3."
10:36 user2         but we have already choose <branch code> yymm0001
10:37 user2         is this the limitation in autobarcode
10:54 user2         is there anyway to increase the limit in autobarcode generator ?
11:06 kf_lunch      user2: you get a new range of numbers next month
11:13 rangi         /ws 28
11:13 rangi         heh
11:13 jcamins       Shouldn't you be asleep?
11:14 user2         so we have to wait for next month kf_lunch
11:14 kf            I think it should turnover next month yes
11:14 kf            but we don't have a library using it
11:15 eythian       is there another value you could bump up temporarily?
11:15 eythian       If not, you're constrained by the format you chose really.
11:15 kf            maybe you could cheat and pretend it was already next month?
11:15 kf            like create the first number for september?
11:16 kf            I am not sure it woudl count up then
11:16 jcamins       It would not.
11:16 user2         lib/C4/Barcodes/hbyymmincr.pm ,  can we edit and increase the $width
11:17 user2         $width = 4;		# FIXME: 4 is too small for sizeable or multi-branch libraries.
11:17 jcamins       Not there.
11:17 jcamins       The barcode is actually handled by cataloguing/value_builder/barcode.pl.
11:17 user2         ok
11:17 jcamins       If you change the code, though, you'll have to rebarcode everything.
11:20 user2         jcamins, so i there any solution for now we can do
11:21 jcamins       user2: you could use the autobarcode scheme that just counts up.
11:21 jcamins       That would not require you to do any rebarcoding.
11:22 user2         jcamins,   generated in the form  <year>001, <year>002."  OR "generated in the form 1,2,3."  ?
11:23 jcamins       user2: 1, 2, 3, etc.
11:23 user2         now we are using "generated in the form <branch code> yymm0001"
11:24 user2         and finished 9999 , so if we change to 1,2,3  etc , will it affect the existing records? , need rebarcode whole things ?
11:25 jcamins       No, you won't have to rebarcode.
11:25 jcamins       With any other scheme you will.
11:27 user2         jcamins,  so for a library which catalogues more than 10,000 in a month(mostly the beginning time), it is not recommended using  in the form <branch code> yymm0001, right ?
11:28 jcamins       Right.
11:28 user2         ohh... thank you very much jcamins ,  and thank you all members for supporting
11:40 mbalmer       mveron?
11:40 wahanui       mveron is from switzerland, a koha developer and creating some nice new features!
11:40 mveron        mbalmer?
11:40 wahanui       i heard mbalmer was DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!!!
12:20 clrh          I am trying to package the new koct plugin (with translations)
12:20 clrh          in the manifest of firefox addon I have a wrong mail - what should I put ? koha-devel@lists.koha-community.org ?
12:45 oleonard      Hi #koha
12:45 tcohen        hi oleonard
12:48 mbalmer       @wahanui forget mbalmer
12:48 huginn        mbalmer: downloading the Perl source
13:03 * mtompset    liked the DEVELOPERS! 3x bit.
13:06 mbalmer       but it was wrong.  that ballmer has two 'l's
13:07 mbalmer       (and probably more '$', too)
13:12 oleonard      mbalmer: If you want to talk directly to someone, including wahanui, you can't use the @
13:12 oleonard      The @ is only used for some commands (@later for instance)
13:12 oleonard      wahanui: forget mbalmer
13:12 wahanui       oleonard: I forgot mbalmer
13:12 mbalmer       oh, I see
13:12 eythian       IRC predates twitter.
13:12 mbalmer       thanks, oleonard!
13:13 eythian       I also don't understand why people are so often talking about channels without saying what server they're on.
13:13 oleonard      I think some chat protocols use the @ differently? I assume mbalmer is not using Twitter syntax.
13:13 oleonard      eythian: ?
13:13 jcamins       eythian: there's only one #koha. :)
13:13 eythian       oleonard: so far as I know, twitter originated the @username convention.
13:14 eythian       jcamins: I mean tv shows putting a #something on the screen, they never say what server it's on!
13:14 oleonard      Oh, okay.
13:14 jcamins       eythian: lol
13:14 mbalmer       the next edition of 'SAB Info', the Swiss journal for librarians, will contain an article on Koha (written by mveron & co.)
13:15 mtompset      Hey, in the last Canadian election, Jack Layton (may he rest in peace) even talked about the government's actions being a #fail. ;)
13:15 mtompset      Twitter is quite invasive of culture. :)
13:16 oleonard      Culture is invasive.
13:17 oleonard      Or more accurately, diffusive.
13:29 kf            mbalmer: cool :) not sure if we are subscribed to that - will it be available online too? maybe later?
13:30 mbalmer       I don't know, but I can get you a copy for sure
13:30 kf            clrh++
13:31 clrh          kf :) I just did a clone + zip command  + upload hum
13:32 clrh          (little thinks are important too, ok)
13:32 jcamins       clrh++
13:34 kf            clrh: yep, little things are important :)
13:34 eythian       http://wtfnasa.com/
13:34 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "The Indiana Supreme Court Law Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/2yMPB9z1 #kohails"
13:35 magnuse       clrh++
13:36 jcamins       magnuse: how are you planning on implementing the digital signs?
13:36 jcamins       It was under discussion yesterday after you'd left. :)
13:37 magnuse       oh, i better read the log then, 1 sec
13:37 jcamins       I said I thought you were planning on doing a theme so that it would work on a kiosk. That was actually all the discussion.
13:38 * oleonard    reads digital signs and thinks of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare
13:39 clrh          Joubu: "For new files, I think a best practice is to use "use Modern::Perl" instead of "use strict; use warnings; But nothing is written on the wiki. You are free to keep these lines." 7417#c13 I thought it was really a new practice (already discussed)
13:39 jcamins       clrh: I switched to Modern::Perl.
13:40 jcamins       If I missed a file, let me know and I'll fix it.
13:41 clrh          jcamins: ok - just reading the discussion, didn't seen last comments
13:41 jcamins       clrh: ah, yes, there is a lot of discussion. :)
13:42 jcamins       kf: I don't see any links in the cart e-mails right now.
13:42 magnuse       jcamins: hm, can't find it in the logs. but the plan is to use jqm on a single page that will be the signs. so not a new theme per se
13:42 Joubu         clrh: coding guidelines (http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Perl) say we have to use strict and warnings. It's not mandatory to use Modern::Perl
13:42 kf            which patch did you apply?
13:42 clrh          ok
13:42 jcamins       None yet.
13:42 kf            yep
13:42 kf            there are no links at all now
13:43 kf            but thelayout is broken if you have records with and without items mixed
13:43 kf            so the first bug fixes the layout - offering 2 different ways, the second fixes the links
13:47 jcamins       magnuse: and you'll just not use any of the standard includes + disable navigation?
13:48 magnuse       jcamins: i think that is my plan, yes :-)
13:48 magnuse       in a way it will be a bit like the sco screen
13:49 jcamins       MAkes sense.
13:49 jcamins       *Makes
13:49 magnuse       oh it does? good! ;-)
13:49 jcamins       I need a kiosk interface which doesn't allow logins, but does include all search functionality, so I'm kind of stuck with a theme.
13:50 jcamins       kf: I like the second better.
13:50 jcamins       By a lot.
13:50 jcamins       The first is hideous.
13:50 jcamins       :)
13:50 magnuse       jcamins and kf: which bug are you talking about?
13:51 jcamins       bug 8621.
13:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8621 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Template for sending out carts not formatting correctly
13:51 jcamins       Option A was "the way we've always had it only working."
13:51 jcamins       Option B is "let's make it look good *and* work."
13:54 kf            hm actually option b is closer to our old layout I think
13:55 jcamins       Well, option A is like it was right before I signed off.
13:55 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  The Indiana Supreme Court Law Library Goes Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/v9Gv1LOU"
13:56 bornie21      hey guys I am having problems with Zebra cron job settings.If I manually rebuild the indexes are updated but the cron is nt running any help
13:56 jcamins       kf: I found a problem.
13:56 jcamins       The subject of the e-mail: Ihr Korb=20=
13:57 kf            oh interesting
13:57 wahanui       interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
13:57 kf            that didn't happen for me
13:57 kf            i wonder if you are not supposed to use it for the subject - but shouldn't it all be the same encoding?
13:58 kf            and it didn't happen in my tests this morning. hm.
13:58 * jcamins     doesn't know.
13:58 eythian       there's some oddball stuff to do with encoding and subjects I think
13:58 kf            eythian: if you have a suggestion I am all ears - I have been googling and searching around a lot about this
13:58 kf            but not much wiser than before
13:58 eythian       To use Unicode in email subject lines and email addresses two different standards need to be used to retrofit the handling of non-ASCII data to the originally ASCII-only email protocol:
13:58 eythian       RFC 2047 provides support for encoding non-ASCII values such as real names and subject lines in email headers
13:58 eythian       RFC 3490 provides support for encoding non-ASCII domain names in the Domain Name System
14:00 eythian       http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4389676/php-email-header-subject-encoding-problem <-- also this
14:00 eythian       basically, the formatting of the body doesn't apply to the subject
14:06 jcamins       By removing the encode_qp, I get it to work.
14:06 jcamins       But if the subject had actual accented characters, I expect it would not work.
14:07 oleonard      SQL reports require date parameters to be input formatted as ISO. Do guided reports?
14:07 * oleonard    is working on Bug 8596
14:07 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8596 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Reports interface date picker doesn't force ISO formatted dates
14:08 jcamins       Hm. No problem with simple diacritics.
14:08 oleonard      Or does a "regular" guided report even let you enter runtime parameters?
14:09 wizzyrea      oleonard: I think it does
14:09 wizzyrea      it has options for it in the drop downs
14:09 wizzyrea      also hi
14:09 eythian       jcamins: make sure you test a couple of email clients. Some are a bit more stupid than others.
14:09 jcamins       Works with Russian.
14:09 jcamins       eythian: ooh, good call.
14:09 jcamins       That's going to be tricky.
14:09 jcamins       Who has multiple e-mail clients set up?
14:10 wizzyrea      which ones do you want
14:10 oleonard      Saying some email clients are more stupid than others is the understatement of the 21st century.
14:10 jcamins       wizzyrea: Outlook-y ones and Thunderbird-y ones.
14:11 eythian       jcamins: I have a thunderbird-y one handy.
14:11 eythian       You might even call it thunderbird...
14:11 jcamins       eythian: excellent. Your regular e-mail address good?
14:11 eythian       jup
14:12 wizzyrea      i have a mac mail-y one
14:12 wizzyrea      but no outlook :(
14:12 * oleonard    can offer to test a crappy webmail one
14:12 jcamins       You should have an e-mail with an Arabic subject in your box right about now, eythian.
14:12 jcamins       oleonard: I'll take it. Your usual e-mail?
14:13 oleonard      There goes eythian's security clearance
14:13 wizzyrea      heh
14:13 oleonard      jcamins: owen@czechprimer.org
14:13 eythian       oleonard: no, .nz is OK with that kind of thing :)
14:13 jcamins       oleonard: gesendet. :)
14:14 jcamins       Oh, err, I'm probably the only one who can read the Arabic to confirm it came through correctly.
14:14 jcamins       It should look like this: http://translate.google.com/#en/ar/Your%20library
14:14 eythian       if it's wrong, it'll look quite bad
14:14 wizzyrea      JING
14:14 eythian       although it still hasn't arrived...
14:14 jcamins       eythian: yeah, that's my theory.
14:15 jcamins       Ah, this is problematic.
14:15 jcamins       I have a non-static IP.
14:15 jcamins       I can'
14:15 jcamins       t e-mail anyone but myself...
14:15 eythian       ah, that may be an issue
14:16 jcamins       Um.
14:17 jcamins       I'll try forwarding.
14:17 jcamins       No, it re-encodes.
14:17 jcamins       Phooey.
14:17 clrh          khall: hello, question about bug 8015 - did you plan to sign off Joubu 's followup ?
14:17 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add MARC Modifications Templates
14:18 kf            jcamins: :(
14:18 kf            I can test outlook... but you have to mail me :(
14:18 khall         clrh: indeed. Will do
14:18 clrh          ok thanks ;)
14:18 jcamins       kf: I can't mail you because of the spam filters.
14:19 kf            for along time umlauts wouldn't work in some of our messages - like the checkin notice. It should be Rückgabequittung in German
14:19 kf            not sure if we ever got tofix that
14:19 kf            probably a different bug make all our mails work the same... :(
14:20 jcamins       Wait, I think I found the problem.
14:20 jcamins       Well... wow.
14:20 jcamins       THat didn't help.
14:23 kf            hm, that link looks interesting: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4389676/php-email-header-subject-encoding-problem
14:23 kf            I guess we are missing some of that
14:25 jcamins       I don't see how to get it to work.
14:25 eythian       the instructions on setting up SIP seem to be terribly unclear :/
14:25 jcamins       I guess I can sign off on the patches as "better than before."
14:25 wizzyrea      don't they. sure wish they were properly in the manual.
14:26 eythian       wizzyrea: yeah. Things like "The expected response is '941'". I'm getting '940' and I don't know what that means.
14:27 wizzyrea      oh boy.
14:27 kf            jcamins: can you remove the encoding frm the subject line?
14:28 kf            just delete the encode_pq
14:28 jcamins       kf: that works with gmail, but probably nothing else.
14:28 jcamins       However, perhaps that's the best option.
14:28 jcamins       And we can try to fix the subject further.
14:29 kf            it's the way the list does it
14:29 kf            so it would be consistent within koha
14:29 kf            http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=696fc0ff22fac839e97b9f9caddda99ff89d9ffc
14:29 kf            see here
14:30 jcamins       Okay.
14:31 jcamins       I'll amend your commit to remove the extra encode_qp.
14:35 jcamins       Signed off.
14:35 kf            thank yo
14:35 kf            u
14:43 eythian       Oh good, if I put a 'die' into the sip server code to trace things, it doesn't get logged anywhere.
14:45 magnuse       have fun #koha
14:46 kf            eythian: hm not in the sip logs I assume?
14:46 eythian       that was the first place I looked :)
14:46 kf            eythian: what are you working on?
14:46 eythian       making SIP work
14:46 kf            I thought it did :)
14:47 eythian       it isn't for me, or it is and I can't tell because it's under-documented.
14:51 fredericd     kf: which languages have you added to pottle 3.8 project?
14:51 wizzyrea      what isn't working?
14:51 * jcamins     waves to fredericd.
14:52 eythian       wizzyrea: login, it was returning a status code that isn't what is "expected"
14:52 eythian       I think I know what it is though...
14:52 mveron        Hi again #koha
14:54 mveron        fredericd: We added German (Swiss)  de-CH   http://translate.koha-community.org/de_CH/38/
14:54 * mveron      has to head to the door, somebody calling...
14:54 fredericd     jcamins: waves have non-metaphoric meaning for me during vacation
14:54 jcamins       fredericd: ooh, lucky you!
14:54 fredericd     mveron++
14:54 jcamins       Ah, yes, string freeze.
14:54 jcamins       I need to announce that.
14:55 jcamins       Actually, 3.6.x is basically frozen now since I won't consider any further patches.
14:55 druthb        o/
14:56 fredericd     jcamins: Is 3.6.x .po files update really required?
14:56 kf            fredericd: only de-CH is new, de_ch in pootle I think, and I added fi-FI to 3.8 - was already there for older versions
14:57 eythian       ah yep. Handy hint: if you forget to create the staff user for SIP to use, it doesn't tell you what's wrong.
14:57 * jcamins     cheers at the druthb sighting.
14:57 jcamins       fredericd: good question.
14:57 jcamins       I'll check, but now that you mention it, I suspect not.
14:57 kf            hi druthb :)
14:58 * druthb      goes :P at jcamins
14:58 eythian       hiya druthb
14:59 druthb        hi, kf and eythian! :)
14:59 * wizzyrea    waves at druthb
14:59 jcamins       fredericd: not really, no.
14:59 * kf          has eythian sitting next door now, it's weird to see him write something here :)
15:00 jcamins       Lucky kf!
15:00 druthb        hi, wizzyrea!  :)
15:00 druthb        lucky eythian, too!
15:00 oleonard      Long time no see druthb
15:00 jcamins       Of course!
15:00 * jcamins     whispers something to kf about eythian's work on localizing the packages. :D
15:00 * eythian     will have to buy a nerf gun or something to take advantage of this situation.
15:00 * druthb      has been kinda stealthy for a while.
15:01 kf            ah right... yeah I have to lock him up in there until it's done... eh...I meant buy him chocolate... and try other bribery
15:01 fredericd     jcamins: thks. Great. It will help me a lot (very poor internet access)
15:02 kf            eythian: good that I don't actually see you then
15:07 kf            jcamins: hope it was ok with the languages.
15:07 kf            hm
15:07 jcamins       kf: what?
15:07 kf            I mean fredericd: hope it was ok to add the languages
15:07 jcamins       kf: your patches worked fine, except for the subject.
15:08 kf            jcamins: I think we will have to figure out how the subject works, but probably can't do that today
15:08 kf            maybe new bug?
15:08 jcamins       I don't think it's that critical... it's *always* been broken.
15:10 kf            yeah
15:10 kf            the patches should be an improvement I hope - not breaking soemthing that wasn't before
15:11 jcamins       I think the are.
15:14 jcamins       So I guess the question is whether there has been any further translation on 3.6.x since 3.6.7.
15:15 jcamins       Looks like Danish, Lao, Tetun, and Finnish have all be updated since 3.6.7.
15:16 * jcamins     will ask fredericd about getting a new set of files for the 22nd.
15:29 jcamins       Hey! I had an idea.
15:29 jcamins       Apparently the entire continent of Europe sensed it and ran away.
15:31 jcamins       Mmmm... possibly wise.
15:31 kf            hm?
15:31 kf            I am still here.
15:31 jcamins       I realized how we could slice up the search rewrite a bit more.
15:31 kf            I am doing it wrong again?
15:31 jcamins       lol
15:32 kf            nice mail about kohacon :)
15:32 jcamins       Yup. :)
15:33 jcamins       There is nothing that says the entire query parser has to be rewritten at once.
15:34 kf            aha
15:37 jcamins       We could rewrite the query parser/search engine interface in an iterative fashion.
15:37 jcamins       It would look like this:
15:37 jcamins       Step 1: try to parse search using new parser.
15:37 jcamins       Step 2: If we succeeded, great, send that search through the new interface.
15:38 jcamins       Step 3: sorry, no luck with what we have so far... no problem, we'll just use C4::Search.
15:38 kf            ah
15:38 kf            if you can do that?
15:38 jcamins       Sure.
15:39 kf            cool :)
15:39 jcamins       Put something at the beginning of getRecords that tries the new parser.
15:48 jcamins       One could even conceivably start by adding support for real AND queries over item fields.
15:49 kf            nice
15:49 kf            I woudl like a real item search option somewhere
15:49 kf            like... make me a list of all items at locatoin X
15:49 kf            but that's a different story
15:50 jcamins       The problem there is we don't have an interface for lists.
15:50 kf            yeah
15:50 kf            we wuld need a new search
15:50 kf            can't build that into the current search, I know
15:50 jcamins       We'd need the search rewrite PLUS a new search interface.
15:55 kf            yeah... but one can dream
15:55 kf            and you will need some work when you finish the search rewrite :)
15:55 jcamins       lol
15:55 jcamins       I think I'll need a nap after I finish the search rewrite. :P
15:56 kf            lol you can get a nap or 2
16:08 oleonard-away nengard: I can't reproduce Bug 8639 in master or 3.8.3
16:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8639 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my personal details hidden when on my summary
16:08 nengard       yeah i figured it might be some kind of fluke
16:08 nengard       you saw the video though
16:08 oleonard      Yes
16:08 nengard       not sure what we have on there that's making that happen
16:09 nengard       I'm okay if you close it though :)
16:09 oleonard      I made sure all my tabs matched yours (enabled opacprivacy, etc)
16:10 nengard       are you showing patron images on the details tab?
16:10 nengard       and letting people edit their details?
16:10 nengard       cause I was
16:10 oleonard      Hm, no to patron images
16:12 kf            nengard: maybe some css or js?
16:12 nengard       could totally be possible
16:12 kf            the sequence of tabs changed, caused some problems in our installations hiding the wrong tab
16:12 nengard       that's why i'm okay closing it if no one else can reproduce it
16:14 oleonard      So what I'm hearing is we need ID attributes for those tabs? :)
16:15 kf            oleonard: maybe - not sure if they are still missing - they used to be in older versions :)
16:18 kf            bye all :)
16:57 oleonard      So services/itemrecorddisplay.tt is used to show an add item form in Aquisitions... Why don't we do the same in Cataloging?
17:04 khall         does anyone around know much about hard due dates? I've found a problem and I'm not sure if it is a bug or an intended behavior.
17:05 SJeffery      ^ Sums up working with Koha :)
17:05 khall         GetHardDueDate works just like GetIssuingRule, but it not only tests for having
17:05 khall         found an row of results before returning, but checks for the existence of a
17:05 khall         hard due date as well. That means that even if it finds a matching rule, unless
17:05 khall         that rule has a hardduedate set it will toss it and keep looking!
17:05 khall         So in this case, even though there is a matching rule for "STAFF / VIDEO / *",
17:05 khall         it has no hardduedate. So it tosses it and keeps looking. The next match,
17:05 khall         "STAFF / * / *" *has* are hardduedate, and is thus the one returned.
17:06 gaetan_B      bye !
17:06 jcamins       khall: bug.
17:06 khall         jcamins: thanks for the verify. It seemed a bit odd. I'll file a bug and a patch.
17:07 jcamins       khall: I suspect most tests involved *all* rules having hard due dates, or none of them.
17:08 jcamins       That's definitely not how it was supposed to work, according to my understanding, though.
17:18 khall         I would agree. It is *not* intuitive and runs counter to how all other issuing rule related actions function.
17:21 jcamins       khall: wajasu had an idea for how to add tests for circulation rules which I am eagerly awaiting him implementing.
17:22 khall         wajasu++ then!
17:22 oleonard      Wherever he may be.
17:26 khall         bug filed and patch submitted: 8640
17:49 nengard       wizzyrea around?
17:50 wizzyrea      yep
17:50 nengard       I'm trying to post to K-c.org and the editos is doing wierd things - the buttons aren't visible on the HTML tab and when I use the visual tab and click to add a link it clears all the text in the post box
17:51 nengard       I had no probs creating a page when I created the conference page last week (or whenever that was)
17:53 nengard       Hmm .. and I can't publish either
17:54 nengard       it's stuck loading
17:54 nengard       oh there it goes
17:54 wizzyrea      i see what you mean I'll have to investigate.
18:00 nengard       okey dokey
18:01 nengard       Does anyone know if there is an image size limit when uploading cover images? Asking for the manual
18:01 nengard       dimensions and/or file size
18:03 oleonard      jcamins would know I suppose
18:04 jcamins       There is not a limit other than that set by the web server, but all images will be reduced down to...
18:05 jcamins       600x800
18:07 * cait        waves
18:11 wizzyrea      hi cait :)
18:12 wizzyrea      nengard please try now
18:12 wizzyrea      refresh first, clear cache, yada yada first
18:13 nengard       wizzyrea all better
18:13 nengard       :)
18:13 nengard       no refresh necessary
18:13 wizzyrea      cool beans
18:15 wizzyrea      nengard - it may be wonky for just a minute - I'm trying something
18:15 nengard       that's okay i got my post up
18:15 wizzyrea      cool
18:15 wizzyrea      cool, it's still ok
18:15 wizzyrea      there was a plugin that was terribly out of date ;)
18:17 nengard       ooo
18:17 nengard       yeah that might do it
18:49 tweetbot`     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  First KohaCon13 IRC Meeting http://t.co/eeHZjw8a"
18:50 oleonard      nengard: Lacks time info!
18:50 nengard       not really
18:50 nengard       it's linked
18:50 cait          it's in the link - the mail confused me a little bit :)
18:50 nengard       but okay
18:50 oleonard      I don't see it on the page
18:50 oleonard      Oh you mean the "get the right time" link?
18:52 oleonard      Are you trying to avoid confusion by not putting the UTC time?
18:53 nengard       refresh
18:54 oleonard      That helps, thanks
18:57 * mveron      submitted Bug 8641 (see yesterdays questions by ExtraordinaryBen and answers by rangi)
18:57 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information
18:58 mveron        @wunder Basel
18:58 huginn        mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 25.2°C (8:50 PM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
18:58 wizzyrea      hmm I just found something odd
18:58 wizzyrea      I think
18:58 cait          hi mveron :)
18:59 cait          nice idea with 8641!
18:59 mveron        hi cait :-)
18:59 oleonard      If it was from the staff fridge just put it back wizzyrea
18:59 wizzyrea      but I will have to test it
18:59 wizzyrea      ew
19:03 wizzyrea      ok, can someone test this
19:03 wizzyrea      well no
19:03 wizzyrea      let me first :P
19:05 cait          if you don't tell us, we can't help :)
19:05 jcamins       mveron: bug 8641 looks good.
19:05 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information
19:05 jcamins       Signing off after it passes all the tests.
19:05 jcamins       :)
19:05 mveron        jcamins: Wow! Fastest sign-off I ever had  :-)
19:07 cait          well deserved :)
19:07 nengard       isn't there a bug for adding a CSS for the self checkout?
19:07 jcamins       nengard: there already is CSS on the self checkout.
19:08 nengard       custom
19:08 jcamins       Let me check which syspref it is.
19:08 jcamins       I came across this just the other day.
19:08 nengard       sco.css
19:08 nengard       there is a pref for JS on SCO
19:08 nengard       but not one for CSS that i know about
19:08 jcamins       Right, but aren't you looking for the syspref?
19:08 nengard       yes
19:09 jcamins       I was surprised to come across one on Sunday. At least, I was surprised to come across what looked like one to a quick glance.
19:09 nengard       hehe
19:09 jcamins       Oh, it includes OPACUserCSS.
19:09 nengard       i did a css search and there isn't a pref i know about -
19:10 jcamins       What did I come across that was a surprise to me, then?
19:10 nengard       oh! so if you put CSS in OPACUserCSS it will style SCO?
19:10 wizzyrea      ugh
19:10 mveron        jcamins ++
19:10 jcamins       Yep. But of course all the IDs are different.
19:10 wizzyrea      in 3.6.4 if a person has a single hold that is toggled to the bottom (lowestpriority) then all of their holds are stuck to the bottom
19:10 wizzyrea      did I miss the memo on this bug or did I just figure it out.
19:11 * wizzyrea    did that patch for the sco
19:11 wizzyrea      to include the opacusercss
19:11 jcamins       Let me check on 3.6.8.
19:12 jcamins       Uhhh... video, perhaps?
19:12 jcamins       So I can make sure I'm doing it right.
19:12 wizzyrea      ok one sec
19:13 nengard       wizzyrea i think there is a bug on that
19:13 nengard       it sounds familiar to me
19:14 wizzyrea      bug 6344 isn't it
19:14 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6344 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Hold priority displayed incorrectly when "Toggle Lowest Priority" option is used
19:14 nengard       yeah that's what i'm reading :)
19:14 nengard       so maybe i'm wrong
19:14 wizzyrea      you maybe have a ticket for weird behaviour like that?
19:15 wizzyrea      "this person's holds are stuck at the bottom and we don't know why"
19:15 wizzyrea      what really sucks about it
19:15 jcamins       Guess I'll need a bunch of holds.
19:15 wizzyrea      is that it only has to be one (of possibly many) holds on the patron's account that is toggled lowest priority
19:15 wizzyrea      to make them all be that way!
19:16 wizzyrea      yea sorry jcamins, movie.. .one min
19:17 cait          wizzyrea: maybe we should have an option to turn that feature off
19:17 cait          or color the stuck holds in a different way?
19:17 wizzyrea      wel lthey have a different icon when they're stuck
19:18 cait          ah ok
19:18 jcamins       Hey, what happened to double clicking when placing a hold?
19:19 jcamins       Didn't I write that?
19:19 jcamins       Oh, it was on checkout.
19:19 wizzyrea      hm no that was kyle
19:19 jcamins       The double clicking?
19:19 jcamins       No, definitely me.
19:19 jcamins       In 3.4.
19:20 wizzyrea      wait, double holds being created?
19:20 jcamins       No.
19:20 wizzyrea      oh
19:20 mveron        Good night #koha
19:20 wizzyrea      that's what I was talking about :)
19:20 jcamins       Double clicking doesn't work.
19:20 oleonard      What did you write jcamins? A way to double click to get extra bonus holds?
19:20 jcamins       oleonard: double clicking a name automatically selects it.
19:20 jcamins       When checking out.
19:21 oleonard      Oh yeah I like that. and I notice when it doesn't work on other pages
19:21 jcamins       How do I toggle a hold lowest priority?
19:22 jcamins       Ah.
19:22 wizzyrea      lol.
19:22 jcamins       I click the down arrow.
19:22 wizzyrea      the one by the x
19:23 wizzyrea      not the one between the priority and the patron
19:23 jcamins       Has anyone commented that having two down arrow icons that do totally different things is not helpful?
19:23 wizzyrea      yes
19:23 wizzyrea      it is unhelpful
19:23 wizzyrea      ok so now, place another hold on a different bib
19:23 wizzyrea      and place other holds on that bib
19:23 wizzyrea      your patron should stay at the bottom on all of them
19:23 wizzyrea      which is wrong wrong wrong
19:24 jcamins       Oh, I have to place the other hold after the one is set to lowest priority.
19:24 wizzyrea      it will work both ways
19:24 wizzyrea      or not work, as the case may be
19:24 jcamins       Works in 3.6.8.
19:24 wizzyrea      they are not all stuck at the bottom?
19:25 jcamins       Unless I did something wrong.
19:25 jcamins       Right.
19:25 jcamins       John Smith has the first hold.
19:25 jcamins       Except on the book where he is pinned to the bottom.
19:25 oleonard      Bug 4230
19:25 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4230 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , new icon for move to lowest priority on holds
19:26 jcamins       Ah, a good bug. :)
19:26 oleonard      I've worked on it every day since Feb. 2010, to no avail.
19:26 wizzyrea      lol.
19:26 jcamins       lol
19:30 wizzyrea      I'll be glad if it's just a bug in 3.6.4
19:30 wizzyrea      which means people who are higher than we are won't have that problem ;0
19:30 wizzyrea      ;)
19:31 jcamins       It does seem to work in 3.6.8.
19:31 jcamins       I can check out 3.6.4.
19:34 wizzyrea      I don't see the point really
19:34 wizzyrea      I'll check it again on master - just to be sure
19:34 wizzyrea      thank you for checking .8 tho
19:34 wizzyrea      I mean, I know it's happening on .4
19:34 wizzyrea      :)
19:34 wizzyrea      I have real life examples!
19:35 jcamins       Right, but I could have done it wrong.
19:35 wizzyrea      well I suppose so
19:45 rangi         Morning
19:45 oleonard      Hi rangi
19:45 jcamins       Morning.
19:45 wahanui       morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:46 druthb        hi, rangi. :)
19:47 cait          good morning rangi :)
19:51 wizzyrea      mornin rangi
19:56 rangi         A rainy morning it is too
19:56 wizzyrea      here too
19:56 wizzyrea      @wunder 66049
19:56 huginn        wizzyrea: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 22.6°C (2:54 PM CDT on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
19:57 wizzyrea      clear now tho
20:00 rambutan      wizzyrea: you got rain? You must have gotten it all, we got zip.
20:01 wizzyrea      bummer :( yea it rained most of the morning
20:04 cait          @wunder Konstanz
20:04 huginn        cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 14, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
20:04 cait          very nice weather here right now
20:05 rangi         Ok my stop bbiab
20:06 wizzyrea      very nice weather here too
20:06 wizzyrea      i almost want to have a picnic
20:06 wizzyrea      it's perfect out at the moment
20:14 rangi         back
20:21 oleonard      See you tomorrow. Look for the sad oleonard in mibbit clothing again ;)
20:21 rangi         heh
20:21 rangi         cya oleonard
20:21 wajasu        though bug 8607 was signed off, i noticed and found a related bug 8378  which i am attempting to fix
20:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , overdue_notices is broken
20:21 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
20:22 rangi         cool
20:24 cait          very cool
20:24 cait          wajasu: would be happy to see that working well again
20:25 rangi         wajasu: how did you get on with fitnesse ?
20:27 wajasu        i researched, installed, and found its evolved somewhat.  its a wiki.  BAs can write high level BDD/TDD scenarios close to plain english, which fail initially.  then devs can write fixtures to enable tests.
20:27 rangi         ahh right
20:28 wajasu        the idea is to write the base fixtures that give access to the domain model, and the driver should bridge things.
20:29 wajasu        now its primarily in java, and a jar, but the new version uses a languag agnostic protocol called slim.
20:30 wajasu        i started thinking, that if the fixtures can be written in groovy, they would be less verbose than java.  other perl fixtures can be written too.
20:31 wajasu        once you have a bastion of tests, porting to knew languages or implementaions is easier, because you've got your actual requirements codified.
20:32 rangi         yep
20:32 rangi         the problem we have isnt functional unit tests
20:32 rangi         we have around 10000 of those
20:33 wajasu        anyway, i'll try to see if i can write a driver for koha, and see if its feasible after i attempt this patch.
20:33 rangi         we need UAT testing, web based, using something like www::mechanize etc
20:33 rangi         something that can test the js + css + html + perl + database all working together
20:34 rangi         but id still like to see what it can come up with
20:35 wajasu        after awhile, i thought, we might try using the latest java/groovy testing stuff (webunit, geb, gradle, etc)  so that might be another option.
20:36 wajasu        i think you guys are heading toward a layered architecture, with services, so i am thinking about testing persistent domain objects, services, javascript, webdriver.
20:37 rangi         yeah thats a way down the track tho
20:38 rangi         the biggest problem we have, is testing the actual app usage .. testing components of it .. pretty simple, perl has a lot of great testing frameworks for that
20:38 rangi         its testing the whole of it working together is the trick
20:38 * rangi       hopes he is making sense
20:39 wajasu        you want the browser to be driven?   via webdriver (selenium),  a really integration tests.
20:40 wizzyrea      the last time I used selenium it didn't do so well with some of our javascript
20:40 rangi         yeah, we 'try' to use selenium a lot at work for our projects (we do some pretty biggish sites (not koha related) at catalyst)
20:41 rangi         you spend more time fixing your tests than testing
20:41 wizzyrea      ^^ was what I discovered
20:41 * wizzyrea    is glad i'm not alone in that assessment
20:41 rangi         what we have been working on is this
20:41 rangi         when i say we, i mean jcamins
20:42 rangi         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Interface_testing_with_WWW::Mechanize
20:42 * jcamins     waves.
20:42 wajasu        writing tests is coding, configuring is coding, coding is coding.  :)
20:42 wajasu        i saw jcamins used Mechanize in a test i think.
20:42 rangi         wajasu: not writing tests, rewriting them again and again because they fail in unexplained ways
20:43 wizzyrea      or because "selenium can't push that button"
20:43 rangi         thats my experience with selenium, we have a 8 person QA team here at catalyst, they pretty much gave up on it
20:43 wizzyrea      I might have been doing it wrong though ;)
20:43 cait          same for me
20:43 cait          I never got my tests to run again successfully
20:44 cait          they just stopped working :(
20:44 jcamins       WWW::Mechanize always works great for me. :/
20:44 rangi         oh mechanize is fine
20:44 rangi         im carping about selenium
20:44 jcamins       Testing search.pm...
20:44 rangi         and why mechanize is better, at least it fails consistently if it fails
20:44 wajasu        so you really arent concerned about calling perl directly.
20:45 rangi         not really, we have a good handle on that already
20:45 * jcamins     bangs his head against the desk.
20:45 wajasu        ha
20:45 rangi         and an ever increasing test suite of perl unit tests
20:45 jcamins       Environment variables are a lousy way to handle intra-Perl script communication.
20:45 rangi         yes they are
20:45 cait          jcamins: I was referring to selenium :)
20:46 cait          and talking about search....
20:46 cait          jcamins you might know this - bug 6713
20:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6713 critical, P3, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , marc import not matching
20:46 cait          in my tests it worked nicely without the patch
20:47 jcamins       cait: I've tried it a few times, and it always works perfectly.
20:47 jcamins       Before the patch.
20:47 cait          ok
20:47 cait          so... do we agree on - resolved worksforme?
20:47 cait          until someone says differently?
20:48 jcamins       Sounds good.
20:50 jcamins       Okay...
20:50 jcamins       I think I want to test DOM.
20:50 jcamins       Do I want to be testing Zebra with or without ICU?
20:50 cait          hah, I closed a bug!
20:51 cait          you want to test both? :P
20:51 jcamins       cait: not today.
20:51 cait          hmmm
20:51 cait          with icu
20:51 cait          less testers for that around
20:51 jcamins       Darn.
20:53 jcamins       Oh for crying out loud.
20:56 * jcamins     decides to take a break and pick up the herbs.
20:59 wajasu        when i got into testing some javascript functionality in acquisitions, i began to see, that in a few years koha is going to have a heap of js to debug.
20:59 rangi         yup
20:59 cait          won't take a few years I think
20:59 rangi         js testing, i could roll with that
20:59 rangi         specially if i didnt have to do it
21:01 wajasu        i had to give up on a test yesterday because i can't understand the behavior before or after, and unless i can talk with the component lead, i can't verify.
21:02 wizzyrea      you can always just ask here
21:02 wajasu        let me look up the bug.
21:03 wajasu        bug 8382
21:03 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8382 blocker, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl
21:04 wizzyrea      oh yes, the language barrier strikes
21:04 wajasu        once i got a order placed, i figured i was suppose to get some filter widget on the left side of the page to filter.
21:04 wizzyrea      ah I think you need to "receive" the order
21:04 wajasu        i did it, and it change the table to have a column with Receive/Cancel links
21:05 wajasu        you might be right.
21:05 wajasu        i didn't receive
21:05 wizzyrea      :)
21:05 wajasu        i put 1 in the orderline of the filter and the tables changed, and i hit the Cancel link
21:06 wajasu        and it showed   Delete Order/Can't delete .... and ctalog record.
21:06 wajasu        i'll go try again later..
21:06 wajasu        i'll receive it.
21:06 * wizzyrea    kinda tries
21:07 wizzyrea      sorta
21:07 wajasu        then navigate using filter and then see if cancel shows and pops up.
21:07 cait          good night all:)
21:07 rangi         night cait
21:08 wajasu        all i know is the way you go around to get things done in aqui... is convoluted.  i would give up as a user.
21:08 wajasu        we need so help/hints/ tooltips to guide folks down our sordid paths :)
21:10 cait          or we need to fix the workflows :)
21:10 wajasu        thats what i mean
21:10 cait          I think the basic stuff is not bad, but more consistency... maybe
21:10 wajasu        i can tell a different bloke wrote each piece of the workflow
21:10 cait          mmh yes
21:10 wajasu        consistency.
21:10 wahanui       consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.
21:11 cait          but fixing up terms to be the same on each page
21:11 cait          would be a good start
21:11 cait          like the prices
21:11 wajasu        yes! edit/modify  -> edit or such helps
21:12 wajasu        does that newer template toolkit support  something like sitemesh (a java thing)
21:19 cait          not sure what that is, sorry
21:21 wajasu        it decorates a site.  it parses the view templates, decorating the page.  so you define a base site framework, with nav, menu, css, js, etc and pages have more content.
21:21 wajasu        its a java thing. forget i mentioned it.
21:22 cait          ok :) but only because I am really tired right now
21:22 cait          and that's why I should go - good night again :)
21:22 wajasu        later
21:24 jenkins_koha  Starting build #140 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:41 jcamins       Basil and...
21:41 wizzyrea      pine nuts
21:41 wizzyrea      and garlic
21:41 wizzyrea      and olive oil
21:41 jcamins       I actually didn't notice.
21:43 jcamins       Oregano.
21:43 jcamins       Could one use green cabbage for pesto?
21:43 bag           never heard of it jcamins
21:43 bag           but give it try
21:44 wizzyrea      technically you can use anything in pesto
21:46 jcamins       http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/22/magazine/food-cabbage-fever.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
21:47 jcamins       I think a whole head of cabbage would probably be more-or-less a lifetime supply.
21:54 wizzyrea      cabbage is kind of awesome raw tho
21:55 wajasu        are we leverageing template toolkit to generate letters?
21:55 jcamins       wizzyrea: I've always found it kind of boring.
21:55 jcamins       wajasu: no, but that'd be a nice idea.
21:55 jcamins       Cabbage is one of those things that I don't dislike, but I also don't know what to do with.
21:56 jcamins       Okay, I have Zebra configuration files.
21:56 jcamins       Now I need a Zebra database.
21:56 jcamins       Well, Zebra indexes.
21:57 jcamins       sandboxes?
21:57 wahanui       sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
22:14 jcamins       Useful fact: Zebra loads every single file in every single directory it is pointed at.
22:15 jcamins       Actually, maybe not.
22:23 jcamins       If anyone can explain this mystery for me, I would be grateful.
22:23 jcamins       Zebra keeps on looking at my default.idx in kohaclone/etc/zebradb/etc.
22:23 jcamins       There is no reference to default.idx anywhere.
22:24 wajasu        not on KOHA_CONF or any of the files in the sub directories?
22:24 jcamins       Well, there are the expected references to it.
22:24 jcamins       But none include directories.
22:24 wajasu        ps -aef , does the zebra daemon script specify it in a command line arg?
22:25 jcamins       Ooooh.
22:26 jcamins       Why yes, Zebra has been running for ages.
22:26 jcamins       wajasu++
22:27 wajasu        cool.
22:28 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #140: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/140/
22:28 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display
22:28 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet)
22:28 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , table of contents not printing right if entered right
22:33 rangi         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMd5KFG1vQ
22:33 rangi         awesome :)
22:34 wajasu        ok. that was worth it.
22:39 jcamins       Zebra config files are *weird*.
22:40 wajasu        yup.
22:41 wajasu        later when they get solr search working, we can write a test to compare results between zebra/solr to uncover missing.....time.
22:42 jcamins       wajasu: that's what I'm working on... regression testing for Zebra.
22:44 wajasu        does the koha z3950 or SRU server use zebra?
22:44 rangi         yes
22:44 jcamins       Both.
22:44 jcamins       Though I just discovered that SRU probably doesn't work quite right.
22:44 rangi         zebra is a z3950 and SRU server
22:44 rangi         thats what it is
22:44 rangi         koha searches it, via Z3950
22:45 jcamins       Well, via RPN.
22:45 rangi         inside z3950
22:45 rangi         thats the connection that zoom makes
22:46 jcamins       I don't think we actually use Z39.50 everywhere.
22:46 jcamins       We *should*.
22:46 rangi         if we use zoom we are
22:46 jcamins       ZOOM has a non-Z39.50 mode for connecting to Zebra.
22:46 rangi         i dont know anywhere we set that
22:47 jcamins       I thought I recalled being bitten by that while staring at SimpleSearch.
22:47 jcamins       And weeping.
22:47 wajasu        i learned about that some writing my migration app.  i wrote a java yaz client to build marc records, and for to LOC and other z3950 servers and find by isbn, and then tied matching authors if multiple were found.
22:48 rangi         if its using Zconn it wont be
22:48 wajasu        i had to query at an acceptable rate, but a couple of days and 15000 bibs later, I had marcxml to import. :)
22:49 jcamins       I think we aren't using Zconn somewhere. A fact I discovered when mocking it didn't work.
22:50 rangi         hhmm i wonder where, we do in C4/Search
22:50 rangi         even in the pile of poo that is SimpleSearch
22:51 jcamins       I could have been confused.
22:51 jcamins       ... and there's only one record in this database.
22:51 jcamins       Argh!
22:52 rangi         heh
22:54 wajasu        the overdue notice seems to transform <fine>USD</fine> to <<item.fine>>, but at the wrong place.  The change history is busy.
22:57 jcamins       Oh thank goodness.
22:57 jcamins       I finally managed to get records into my system.
22:57 jcamins       Though, no authorities.
22:57 jcamins       Argh.
22:58 jcamins       A fact which I have every intention of ignoring for the foreseeable future.
23:00 wajasu        are you using the new index_daemon patch that incrementally indexes. it can be helpfull.
23:05 jcamins       Right, new plan.
23:06 jcamins       wajasu: I was using that, but right now I'm actually torturing Zebra for fun and profit.
23:06 wajasu        gatcha
23:08 wajasu        i can't believe we don't have a function that when you grab a biblio from z3950, we don't offer some authorities scraped from LOC or such. or at least a popup to choose, download, merge/link.
23:10 jcamins       LC doesn't share their authorities.
23:10 rangi         yeah thats a legality thing
23:10 rangi         not a technical thing
23:10 rangi         you gots to pay for that
23:11 wajasu        this overdue_notice get more complicated since one could have multiple overdue items and a fine for each.
23:11 wajasu        i mean from http://authorities.loc.gov/
23:11 wajasu        thats what my users use.
23:12 jcamins       Yeah, you can't download records from that programmatically.
23:12 jcamins       Or, at least, if you decide to do it, you can't advertise the fact.
23:13 wajasu        oh
23:13 rangi         like a said, not a technical issue :)
23:13 rangi         Users do not have to register or request permission to search, save, print, or email the LC authority records. The only limitation is that authority records may only be saved, printed or emailed one at a time.
23:14 wajasu        well, we could create our own P2P authority torrent that no one owns, but then ...
23:14 wajasu        crowdsourcing would build it up in no time.
23:14 rangi         i like your optimism :)
23:15 wajasu        then we'd have our own litter bibster drame.
23:15 wajasu        drama
23:15 rangi         one thing ive learnt about libraries .. they talk about sharing
23:15 rangi         doing it
23:15 rangi         not so much
23:15 jcamins       wajasu: technically the LC authority file is in the public domain in the US.
23:15 jcamins       The problem is that first you have to get it.
23:17 wajasu        is that that story i heard about a couple of years back, where so guys sucked the whole thing down through a university account, and then put it on the torrent/inet?
23:18 wajasu        i think we should grab sears, and whatever, and then compile our own using bayesian algorithms.
23:18 jcamins       No, that was an employee at LC.
23:19 wajasu        what about the file at archive.org  from some university.
23:19 rangi         all your authorities are spelt wrong for us anyway :P
23:20 jcamins       wajasu: that was his.
23:21 jcamins       rangi: and yet you still use them.
23:21 jcamins       Oh thank goodness.
23:21 rangi         actually we dont
23:21 rangi         we use the ones from Te Puna
23:21 rangi         with less z
23:21 jcamins       Heh.
23:21 jcamins       You don't work with any OCLC libraries?
23:23 rangi         nope
23:23 rangi         they price prohibitively
23:23 jcamins       copy doesn't forcibly overwrite files.
23:23 rangi         all our libraries are members of te puna
23:23 rangi         all the ones who use authorities anyway
23:25 wajasu        i realized that the categorization of knowledge was really controlled by a few people in the world until the internet took off.
23:27 jcamins       What the...
23:27 wahanui       hmmm... the is a stop word
23:27 wajasu        a vetigal nozebra thing
23:27 wajasu        vestigal
23:28 jcamins       I HATE ZEBRA!!!
23:28 rangi         take a chill pill :)
23:28 jcamins       Easy for you to say.
23:29 jcamins       I still can't get Zebra to start.
23:29 rangi         thats what you get for poking at it
23:29 jcamins       Thank merciful goodness.
23:29 jcamins       Zebra is running.
23:30 jcamins       Okay, maybe "merciful" is pushing it.
23:31 wajasu        perl code is so selfish.  its my my my everywhere!
23:33 wajasu        i think with dynamic languages, you can crank out stuff quick, but maintenance is a nightmare.  if there were contracts/interfaces, someone could just reimplement from scratch faster.
23:34 jcamins       And there are results!
23:34 rangi         course we'd still be wwriting it and have no users
23:34 rangi         :)
23:34 wajasu        thats why we need tests.  with lots of coverage, so one can reimnplement and not debug.
23:34 jcamins       wajasu: like I'm working on.
23:34 jcamins       I agree.
23:34 rangi         wajasu: bug 5327
23:34 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, bart.tj, Passed QA , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
23:34 rangi         write more :)
23:35 jcamins       And if you want to jump in and do C4::Search, be my guest!
23:35 jcamins       You can have the work I did so far.
23:35 wajasu        Noooo.
23:35 wajasu        i'm flailing with overdue notice.
23:36 jcamins       Okay... I have a problem.
23:36 jcamins       Maybe.
23:37 rangi         oh i like bug 8641
23:37 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Add information warning about log-in as root user to About->System information
23:37 jcamins       Me too!
23:37 rangi         mveron++
23:38 jcamins       I need to slurp zebrasrv's output without blocking.
23:42 jcamins       Preferably without spending too much time delving into the inner workings of Perl's threading support.
23:43 jcamins       Awesome.
23:43 jcamins       Zebra is segfaulting.
23:43 jcamins       yaz, rather.
23:50 wajasu        gdb
23:51 jcamins       It worked.
23:53 jcamins       Ummm...
23:53 jcamins       this is a problem.
23:55 jcamins       Oh, right. open is async.
23:58 wajasu        is there any popular messaging bus in the perl world?
23:58 wajasu        or queue service?
23:59 jcamins       I don't know.
23:59 jcamins       But I'm writing a test.
23:59 rangi         id use Net::DBus to just hook into D-Bus