Time Nick Message
23:59 dcook Does anyone know what happens if you already have a systempreference in your DB but updatedatabase.pl tries to insert it anyways?
23:58 dcook Allo #koha
21:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8440 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , Dates does not appear in suggestions management
21:13 jenkins_koha fridolyn.somers: Bug 8440: Dates does not appear in suggestions management
21:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #130: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/130/
20:35 * cait waves too
20:13 * kathryn waves back
20:13 * wizzyrea waves to the newcomers
20:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #130 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:05 rangi bbiab
20:05 rangi ok, apparently i have to play cars
19:45 drojf we need one, that's for sure
19:43 jcamins Wasn't there supposed to be some new, more-open micropayments handler?
19:42 drojf damn fascists
19:42 * jcamins is shocked, surely.
19:40 rangi http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=15472878790f9faa11317e085&id=80ce9994ad <-- who saw this coming
19:38 jcamins Hmmm...
19:34 eythian aqorders, biblio, items, then the two subqueries
19:31 jcamins What order is it selecting in?
19:30 eythian (that's the case even when it's fast though)
19:30 eythian everything except aqorders is using a key
19:30 jcamins What does explain say?
19:29 eythian yep
19:26 jcamins If you remove the items join temporarily, does it run quickly?
19:24 eythian the subqueries seem fast enough (I put indices in to help), it's the two joins
19:24 eythian http://paste.koha-community.org/81 <-- jcamins
19:23 jcamins eythian: are you doing a select over biblioitems?
19:23 rangi explain doesnt tell you anything useful?
19:22 eythian annoyingly, if I break it down into parts it's fast enough, it's when it's all together that it's not
19:13 eythian ah, no fun
19:13 jcamins I'm sure he's fine, but how are his parents doing? :)
19:13 rangi and then ill take a look at the sql
19:13 rangi ill just write my whereis
19:13 rangi atarau had a febrile seizure, caused by the flu, so we ended up at ED on wednesday
19:12 eythian ED?
19:12 rangi i suspect i got some strain of it from the ED, the vaccine had been protecting me up to there
19:12 eythian If you feel like SQL will help, I can't get a query to run in a reasonable time :)
19:12 rangi yeah, its a nasty one
19:11 eythian urg
19:11 rangi well, after 2 weeks of being the only one not to get the flu on level 7, or at home, ive sucumbed
18:43 eythian not as bad as I expected
18:43 eythian Query OK, 1708404 rows affected (4 min 42.31 sec)
18:27 eythian (and above)
18:26 eythian so the report date picker is only in 3.8?
18:17 drojf heh. that's odd. never used this vm, made it in edinburgh. i guess i made something funny when changing paths from package to git
18:12 jcamins Yes.
18:12 jcamins Ah.
18:12 drojf yes
18:12 jcamins You mean database user?
18:12 drojf but its the default user, shouldn't that be superlibrarian?
18:11 drojf ah you mean my user that tries to set the permissions lacks the permissions so he cannot set them for the other user?
18:10 jcamins You can only set permissions that your user has.
18:10 drojf hrm. why would i have only the "set flags" button, but no actual flags to set when i want to set permissions for a user?
18:00 maximep I can't keep up with him :p
17:59 maximep fcapovilla is a machine :p
17:56 drojf i should have a virtual machine running all my virtual machines, it's getting confusing
17:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8610 normal, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Normalize records imported from Z39.50 servers to prevent Zebra search problems.
17:49 jcamins fcapovilla++ # for bug 8610
17:22 mtompset Bye, #koha.
17:22 * mtompset waves.
17:22 * mtompset grumbles, "ARG! Programming bug somewhere. Can't work on Koha. :("
17:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Bug-Enhancement-Patch Workflow http://t.co/JT8nufzx"
17:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Palco and Lucas Public Libraries join CKLS and Go Live on Koha with ByWater… http://t.co/BpluMjfj"
16:47 mtompset document guidelines?
16:46 mtompset format guidelines?
16:46 mtompset formatting guidelines?
16:46 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
16:46 mtompset coding guidelines?
16:46 mtompset guidelines?
16:45 jcamins Hehe.
16:44 wahanui work flow is workflow spelled less correctly.
16:44 mtompset work flow?
16:44 mtompset work flow is workflow spelled less correctly.
16:43 wahanui rumour has it workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:43 mtompset workflow?
16:43 wahanui i already had it that way, mtompset.
16:43 mtompset wahanui: workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:43 jcamins Usually one word, but it doesn't matter.
16:43 mtompset workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:42 mtompset work flow?
16:42 mtompset workflow?
16:42 jcamins No brackets.
16:41 jcamins Right.
16:41 mtompset Well, it says to avoid [bug ####]
16:41 jcamins As long as it is "Bug ####" it'll get into the release notes.
16:41 jcamins It doesn't matter.
16:41 mtompset my git commits have been "bug #### - "
16:41 mtompset it should say "bug ####:"?
16:40 mtompset Oh shoot...
16:36 mtompset No, no... Dancing with the Stars. ;)
16:31 cait stars
16:31 * cait likes reaching for the starts
16:31 cait maybe we can go 70? :)
16:31 cait that's not too bad
16:30 mtompset 12:28... and it is sitting at 85. http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
16:23 eythian but it didn't tell me that
16:23 eythian no, it was some stray data I had lying around
16:23 jcamins Well, it must be whatever file was changed last?
16:23 jcamins No, not at all.
16:22 eythian not helpful
16:22 eythian > Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output
16:22 eythian so 00-valid-xml.t doesn't tell you where an error is when it fails :/
16:21 jcamins Mine is a Core2duo or whatever it's called, with an ordinary hard drive. I never thought it was going to be particularly speedy.
16:20 eythian my laptop is an i7 with a hybrid HD, it should be speedy.
16:20 * jcamins is counting on a new server being much much faster than his laptop.
16:19 eythian running builds on my fairly hefty laptop is still a lot slower than my 2.5 year old ddesktop machine.
16:18 drojf there goes my signoff :/
16:16 eythian it's a curse, I know
16:16 jcamins eythian: stop trying to be sensible and doing things correctly.
16:00 mtompset It looks like I'll be focusing on a couple of my own bugs for a bit.
15:49 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Bug-Enhancement-Patch Workflow http://t.co/esxVGRsz #kohails"
15:39 eythian yeah
15:39 jcamins Pretty weird, though.
15:38 jcamins Maybe.
15:38 eythian I wonder if because I was working on the code in one timezone, moving stuff over with git, and attempting the build there that something was getting out of sync timestamp-wise
15:38 eythian Hmm
15:37 eythian damn. Me neither until today.
15:37 jcamins eythian: never.
15:26 eythian it went straight into running the rest of the rules, which obviously failed.
15:25 eythian jcamins_away: have you ever seen a package build not run the makefile?
15:25 wizzyrea if lots say "yes I have this problem too" it's easy to know what to fix
15:25 wizzyrea slightly different context but also a better metric for judging severity
15:24 wizzyrea yes, I like that too
15:24 eythian launchpad has a "this affects me" button
15:24 eythian well, a bit different
15:24 eythian wizzyrea: it's sorta how gerrit works I think
15:24 wizzyrea hm yes
15:23 drojf i would not be suprprised to see that available in some form. you can have plugins in bugzilla, right?
15:23 wizzyrea :)
15:22 drojf write a patch for bugzilla ;)
15:22 * wizzyrea is impossibly lazy.
15:22 wizzyrea to say I agree.
15:22 wizzyrea I just want to +1 or like it
15:22 wizzyrea i'm looking at a bug, and I don't want to add a comment "yes, what he said"
15:22 wizzyrea and google +1
15:22 wizzyrea I think facebook has changed the way I want to use most things.
15:19 gaetan_B bye !
15:19 wizzyrea yep
15:18 nengard i would love to see this finally fixed in 3.10 at least
15:18 nengard yeah - added a note to get a new patch maybe
15:18 wizzyrea doesn't apply :(
15:17 wizzyrea dunno, we should try it again I think
15:15 wizzyrea looks like it failed qa for varying things
15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6413 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Failed QA , Notes in Fines doing wonky things
15:13 nengard anyone know where we are with bug 6413 ?
15:01 drojf done
14:57 drojf thanks for setting it up
14:57 drojf i will in a minute
14:57 eythian cool, yeah add it there if you like
14:55 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
14:54 eythian what's the wiki page?
14:53 eythian ah right, it probably fired off a bunch of ajax requests and you got a popup for each one
14:53 drojf set firefox from "no cookies" to "ask" when it does not work without the cooky, get a lot of windows that ask instantly ;)
14:53 wahanui i guess next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
14:53 kf next gbsd?
14:53 wahanui hmmm... gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day
14:53 kf gbsd?
14:53 kf on the page for today's gbsd?
14:53 kf eythian: could you put the link in the wiki maybe?
14:53 mtompset Well, I'll try to do one... but no guarantees. I don't make promises I can't keep.
14:52 eythian drojf: I don't know how that would work
14:52 kf plus others will be more likely to sign off on your patches :)
14:52 drojf woops, i got 37 windows trying to give me a cookie for the etherpad
14:52 kf mtompset: drojf is right - all developers should do their part in testing, it's much needed and you learn a lot about how Koha works
14:51 kf no, for bringing gbsd to germany :)
14:51 eythian https://etherpad.catalyst.net.nz/hzCeJFExU3 <-- drojf and everyone
14:51 drojf for spamming my patch? cool, i'll do that more often ;)
14:51 mtompset ha ha ha....
14:50 kf drojf++
14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client
14:50 drojf mtompset: there is this really cool and easy to test bug 8377 if you want to try a signoff later ;)
14:49 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Palco and Lucas Public Libraries join CKLS and Go Live on Koha with ByWater Solutions http://t.co/RGrhducX #kohails"
14:48 drojf would be cool!
14:47 eythian I can make you an etherpad if you want it
14:45 drojf s/put it/put in/
14:45 drojf i think there used to be an etherpad or something to put it what you work on, so people don't work on the same stuff. at least we had that at the hackfest, no idea who provided that
14:44 drojf and we could use it
14:44 drojf i tested that one before
14:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8185 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tajoli, Needs Signoff , Plugin for linking records in MARC21
14:44 * drojf claims bug 8185
14:42 drojf this is labelled "patches for gbsd" in the wiki
14:42 drojf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=20154&query_format=advanced&bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&bug_status=Failed%20QA&bug_status=Patch%20doesn%27t%20apply
14:42 drojf but yes, it takes quite some time, even for th easy stuff that i was able to signoff on
14:42 wahanui bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
14:42 mtompset bugs?
14:42 mtompset Is there a list of bugs somewhere?
14:42 drojf it's a way to get around all things koha. you go to places you have never been before ;)
14:41 mtompset Let alone the interface.
14:41 mtompset I still haven't mastered the data model.
14:41 wizzyrea i've been frustrated lately by failing tests.
14:41 * wizzyrea has done many signoffs in her day
14:41 mtompset That would mean I'd have to know how to test.
14:40 drojf you should try signoffing too. it does not work if everybody adds patches and nobody does the testing
14:40 wizzyrea lol you guys are funny
14:39 drojf i'd like to start to avoid doing stuff that i should actually be doing
14:39 mtompset You need to work to your strengths. :)
14:39 mtompset I much prefer finding and providing patches.
14:38 mtompset I've never done a sign off before.
14:38 mtompset Technically, it isn't for another 1.5hours for me.
14:36 drojf i know, it seems to have not arrived in #koha too
14:35 kf drojf: technically it's not arrvied in germany yet :)
14:35 eythian Try not to eat _all_ the ice cream ;)
14:34 drojf i may just sit quietly in the corner and do a frustration signoff later
14:33 eythian *invited
14:33 eythian ooh. awkward. No one invided drojf.
14:31 drojf so it's gbsd for some people already? where's the music, the drinks, the people?
14:26 drojf heh
14:26 mtompset BAH! Let them enter them again. We know how fun that is. ;)
14:23 drojf but that might lead to people complaining about losing all other frameworks after import ;)
14:22 drojf hm yes it might need a "drop table" and add all custom frameworks at once. "export all frameworks to one sql file" would be a nice option for that
14:10 mtompset I blame auto-increment fields. ;)
14:08 drojf …
14:07 mib_fpxghe .
14:06 drojf yes i would have a look at the whole dump but i would need to get rid of the biblio data first. no fun scrolling through a 1,4gb file
14:05 eythian I think otherwise some sequences get upset or something
14:05 eythian the only time I've really had it work is when loading all the frameworks from one site into another one
14:05 drojf s/out/output/
14:04 drojf eythian: yes we will have to do it that way. i think we have to manually create each framework and then load the csv or whatever out we have, i tried to avoid that. still way faster than clicking all the frameworks anew
14:03 eythian the framework stuff is confusing to me
14:03 eythian drojf: might be worth trying the non-SQL methods?
14:03 drojf thanks for trying though :)
14:02 gaetan_B oh, can't help you i'm afraid then... :(
14:02 gaetan_B if a foreign key constraint fails, then the import fails silently
14:02 drojf directly in mysql
14:01 gaetan_B i've had problems importing through the staff client before
14:01 gaetan_B drojf: are you importing it directly in mysql or through the staff client ?
14:00 mib_sdkm9v i will tell koyauni to disable the old servers things and i will tell him that his site is still handled by the old server
13:59 mib_sdkm9v hum that could be it
13:59 eythian if one is out of sync, crazy things happen
13:58 eythian mib_sdkm9v: also possible, yeah
13:58 drojf if i export marc biblio frameworks from the staff client in sql and import that sql into a fresh koha db, i don't see the new framework in the new staff client. what am i missing?
13:58 mtompset Low can we go would have been better. ;)
13:58 mib_sdkm9v or they are handled from 2 different servers and DNS s
13:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @libriotech: "#kohails Global Bug Squashing Day has started in some timezones! Currently there are 89 bugs that need signoff. How low can we get? 70? 50??"
13:57 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @KohaGBSD: "#kohails Global Bug Squashing Day has started in some timezones! Currently there are 89 bugs that need signoff. How low can we get? 70? 50??"
13:57 eythian Sounds like the changes haven't been committed on the DNS server
13:56 mib_sdkm9v so i say why>?
13:56 mib_sdkm9v yes exactly
13:56 eythian and it's still saying the old one
13:56 eythian dig +trace koyauniversity.org should get the absolute latest one I think
13:55 mib_sdkm9v you get me
13:55 mib_sdkm9v nah those are all the old servers things
13:55 eythian your name server is at 64.150.179.21 and is still reporting the old address
13:54 mib_sdkm9v thats koyauniversit.org old server ip address
13:54 mib_sdkm9v ?
13:54 mib_sdkm9v the new one is different so whats wrong
13:54 mib_sdkm9v that ip address is the old servers ip address
13:54 eythian 69.64.90.112
13:53 mib_sdkm9v it get you an ip address
13:53 mib_sdkm9v when you type host koyauniversity.org
13:53 mib_sdkm9v man lets do this one more time
13:52 mib_sdkm9v yup
13:52 eythian did you restart apache after you did the dissite?
13:51 eythian THAT one
13:51 eythian sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
13:51 eythian err
13:51 eythian that one
13:51 eythian sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default //etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
13:51 eythian no wait
13:51 eythian sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default //etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default
13:51 mib_sdkm9v -_-
13:51 mib_sdkm9v undo*
13:50 mib_sdkm9v tell me how to re do what i did
13:50 mib_sdkm9v it didnt change anything
13:48 eythian (a2ensite will probably give it a different name, hence not doing that)
13:48 eythian just a2dissite default. To turn it back on, you can recreate the symlink
13:48 eythian yeah
13:47 mib_sdkm9v or if it didnt change anything'
13:47 mib_sdkm9v if anything got wrong
13:47 mib_sdkm9v well i can enable it after that right?
13:46 eythian (as drojf said really)
13:46 eythian are you able to disable that without it affecting anything else?
13:45 eythian well, it sounds a lot like 000-default is taking over
13:45 mib_sdkm9v hey eythhian take a look at what i said and tell me if you have an idea
13:44 mib_sdkm9v thats not a problem
13:44 mib_sdkm9v the koyauniversity.org is still one the 69 ip which should have changed to the new ip
13:43 drojf mib_sdkm9v: 000-default is the apache test page. you can turn that off with 'sudo a2dissite default'. unless you changed that page and it does something useful of course
13:43 mib_sdkm9v hey the koyauniversity.org get the maintenance page while the new server ip which detected to it get another page
13:42 mtompset idea.
13:42 mtompset of course... if this hosts the university's pages, that's probably a bad idead.
13:41 mtompset I don't know about everyone else here, but I tend to edit the 000-default to be port 4080, and then add a listen 4080 to the ports.conf
13:40 mib_sdkm9v the 000-default and library and another one
13:40 mtompset what are their names?
13:40 mib_sdkm9v 3 :/ should be 2 or 1 right
13:39 mib_sdkm9v aha
13:39 mib_sdkm9v yes sorry guys appreciate it
13:39 mtompset out of curiousity... how many files were in the sites-enabled directory?
13:38 mtompset And this has become a networking/apache problem far beyond the typical scope of Koha.
13:38 mib_sdkm9v thats why i dont want to do that :/
13:37 mib_sdkm9v yes yes
13:37 eythian if you do that, just remember you did, or you'll get really confused why things behave differently on your machine vs. another one.
13:37 eythian edit the hosts file on your local machine?
13:37 mib_sdkm9v then what should i do
13:36 mib_sdkm9v -_-
13:36 mib_sdkm9v cuz the new ip directs to another place not the maintenance page
13:36 jcamins You can't use subdomains with IP addresses.
13:35 mib_sdkm9v that might work
13:35 mib_sdkm9v libraryadmin.thenewip.org
13:35 mib_sdkm9v just let me check that idea
13:35 mib_sdkm9v really
13:35 mib_sdkm9v idk
13:35 mib_sdkm9v yup
13:35 mtompset And now you are in the transitional mess?
13:34 eythian that'd make some sense
13:34 mtompset Okay... so you were on domain X. Decided to jump domain providers.
13:34 mib_sdkm9v thats why this shit is happning
13:34 mib_sdkm9v but i think they didnt delete or disable it there
13:34 mib_sdkm9v no no the domain was on another old server before they get it on this one
13:33 mtompset YAY! I guessed that already. ;)
13:33 mib_sdkm9v thats why one direct to somewhere and the other is directing to somewhere else
13:33 eythian (or similar)
13:33 eythian ah, so you have a reverse proxy that's not set up right?
13:33 mib_sdkm9v different servers
13:32 mib_sdkm9v i think the problem is the domain is hosted by 2 servers
13:32 mib_sdkm9v listen to me for a sec
13:32 mtompset (as libraryadmin)
13:32 mib_sdkm9v thats because ppl are working on it
13:32 mtompset Same site under maintenance message.
13:31 mib_sdkm9v i think i know why its like that
13:31 mtompset Oh shoot.... www.koyauniversity.org is down.
13:31 mib_sdkm9v hmmmm
13:31 eythian also terrifically insecure
13:31 mib_sdkm9v damn odd -_-
13:31 mtompset Yes, that is truly bizarre.
13:30 eythian that is really quite odd
13:30 eythian oh, I get something different from library and libraryadmin
13:29 mib_sdkm9v i have an idea
13:29 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Part of what I see when I go to http://library.koyauniversity.org/" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/88
13:29 mib_sdkm9v wait please
13:29 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
13:29 eythian germs?
13:29 wahanui rumour has it paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
13:29 mtompset paste?
13:28 mtompset I got a parallels page.
13:28 eythian minor difference, but maybe useful when debugging
13:28 eythian OK, fwiw that's not a redirect, that's apache serving it up under that name.
13:27 mib_sdkm9v yes thats it
13:27 eythian maybe your internal DNS is doing something different
13:27 eythian Koya University's new web site is currently under construction. Thank you for your patience.
13:27 eythian I actually get: Site under maintenance
13:27 mib_sdkm9v but if it changed why it get directed to our site right?
13:26 mtompset I see the same as you, eythian.
13:26 mib_sdkm9v maybe
13:26 eythian If you've changed it within the past 4 hours or so, I could be seeing an old version
13:25 mib_sdkm9v but now its on a new server with a new ip address
13:25 mib_sdkm9v which is the ip you got
13:25 wahanui i already had it that way, eythian.
13:25 eythian koyauniversity.org has address 69.64.90.112
13:25 eythian libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org is an alias for koyauniversity.org.
13:25 eythian $ host libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
13:25 mib_sdkm9v that domain was hosted on another server
13:25 mib_sdkm9v let me make it clear
13:25 mib_sdkm9v oh God
13:24 mib_sdkm9v where did you get that its not that
13:24 mib_sdkm9v ifconfig*
13:24 mib_sdkm9v the ipconfig output and the library.koyauniversity.org are the same
13:22 eythian 69.64.90.112, specifically
13:22 eythian it still has an IP address
13:22 mib_sdkm9v library.koyauniversity.org is a subdomain
13:22 mtompset perhaps there is some bizarre reverse proxy that needs to know about it.
13:21 mtompset does the ip address of ifconfig match the ip address of library.koyauniversity.org?
13:21 eythian the DNS looks OK
13:21 eythian I don't think it is
13:20 mib_sdkm9v it must be a dns problem
13:20 mib_sdkm9v hhhhhhh everything looks good guys
13:20 eythian :)
13:20 * mtompset laughs, "We're agreeing in a bizarre way."
13:19 mtompset Right.
13:19 eythian No
13:19 mtompset But NameVirtualHost shouldn't be commented out, should it?
13:19 eythian or similar
13:19 eythian I just have, e.g. NameVirtualHost *:80
13:19 eythian I don't think you need to do that
13:19 mib_sdkm9v a sec
13:18 mtompset Are the named hosts in ports.conf?
13:18 mib_sdkm9v yup -_-
13:18 eythian a good question.
13:18 mtompset Did you restart apache2?
13:17 mib_sdkm9v :/ everything looks good there
13:16 eythian that's why they're virtual hosts :)
13:16 eythian that's normal
13:16 mib_sdkm9v which is 80
13:16 mib_sdkm9v the virtual host and the intranet (admin panal) are on the same port
13:16 eythian the second one should say "ServerName libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org" or similar
13:16 mib_sdkm9v i found something
13:15 mib_sdkm9v i know
13:15 mtompset Oops...
13:15 mib_sdkm9v yes
13:15 mtompset ls
13:15 eythian it should have two virtualhost entries
13:15 eythian it should be inside that file
13:15 mib_sdkm9v dose adminlibrary need to be there too
13:15 mtompset which is the same as sites-enabled.
13:15 mib_sdkm9v is the sites available there is library
13:14 mib_sdkm9v another question
13:13 mtompset mine is?
13:13 eythian yeah
13:13 mib_sdkm9v is it supposed to be empty?
13:13 eythian the problem is that it's caused by something that's specific to your configuration
13:12 mib_sdkm9v hey the httpd.conf file
13:12 mib_sdkm9v but which one has the problem ...looks like no one knows
13:12 mib_sdkm9v no no i can find the files
13:12 jcamins mtompset: without knowing what the problem is, it would be problematic.
13:11 eythian http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html <-- this kind of thing may be useful
13:11 mtompset Isn't there a grep to help?
13:11 mib_sdkm9v i must check them all
13:11 mib_sdkm9v hhhhh damn -_-
13:11 eythian mib_sdkm9v: we could have no possible idea
13:11 eythian yeah, fair enough
13:10 mib_sdkm9v ?
13:10 mib_sdkm9v which .conf exactly
13:10 jcamins eythian: nor have I. However, right now www and koha are on the same box. I foresee fun times in a year when things are rearchitected, and the website gets moved without the CNAMEs being updated.
13:10 eythian also, it's not the DNS issue here, I think it's an apache config thing
13:09 mib_sdkm9v jcamins i think its the way its working
13:09 eythian I've never had problems with CNAMEs
13:09 mib_sdkm9v hhhhhhhhh
13:09 * jcamins would probably switch the DNS to A records... easier to troubleshoot.
13:09 eythian or just make everybody move to IPv6 so it was no longer an issue :)
13:09 mib_sdkm9v -_- more work
13:08 eythian I think I'd probably make the gateway a reverse proxy so I could split servers up behind it in that situation.
13:08 mib_sdkm9v and one dedicated ip address
13:07 mib_sdkm9v everything on one server
13:07 eythian heh OK, not your fault then :)
13:07 mib_sdkm9v well thats how is it
13:07 mib_sdkm9v i well i dont know i just started working on this server 10 mins ago
13:07 jcamins eythian: ah, missed that part.
13:07 eythian mib_sdkm9v: that's a fairly bad idea, in general.
13:06 eythian jcamins: the koha stuff is a CNAME
13:06 jcamins mib_sdkm9v: are you are using A records for all the DNS?
13:06 mib_sdkm9v you get me>?
13:06 mib_sdkm9v and the dns which handle them is on the same server
13:05 eythian it makes no difference really
13:04 mib_sdkm9v i know but editing from the files and not the shorts
13:04 eythian mib_sdkm9v: they're both the same file
13:04 jcamins mib_sdkm9v: it's the same file.
13:04 eythian cool, I usually find when that happens that I've done something silly with my virtual host config
13:03 mib_sdkm9v right?
13:03 mib_sdkm9v editing the file been shortcut to sites-available is better
13:02 mib_sdkm9v yes i know i installed many git versions before without any problem its a server problem
13:01 eythian you will have /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library and that contains the config generated for koha
13:01 mib_sdkm9v and there is only one ip which is koyauniversity.org's one
13:00 eythian in that case, you'll have to have a look at your apache configuration to see how it needs to change
13:00 mib_sdkm9v well its on the same server
13:00 mib_sdkm9v yes
13:00 eythian Most people put it on a different server
13:00 eythian ah, then the DNS is correct.
13:00 mib_sdkm9v yes its on the same server
12:59 eythian as in, it's supposed to be on the same server that hosts www.koyauniversity.org as well?
12:59 mib_sdkm9v -_-
12:59 mib_sdkm9v yup
12:59 eythian mib_sdkm9v: ohh
12:59 mib_sdkm9v you get me
12:59 mib_sdkm9v the koha is on the same server which handle everything
12:58 mtompset Okay... so do I leave domain blank on the initial install, or do I take a wild guess at where I will be hosted?
12:58 mib_sdkm9v but just so you knwo
12:58 eythian cool
12:57 mib_sdkm9v got it ;)
12:57 mib_sdkm9v aha
12:57 eythian mib_sdkm9v: it tells you your IP address. You put that IP address into the system that runs your DNS in order to point the right domain names at the koha system.
12:55 mib_sdkm9v so i got ifconfig after that what
12:55 magnuse best-practices++
12:55 eythian I think erring towards a best-practices setup is the best idea.
12:55 eythian mib_sdkm9v: use 'ifconfig' to find that out, it'll tell you your IP address.
12:55 mtompset Hmmm... I can see your point.
12:54 eythian which is the sort of thing people want to do.
12:54 eythian mtompset: the problem is that if you want to take your locally setup box and make it work on a LAN, it's now more work.
12:54 mtompset Yes, I know how to do it, but it's a pain.
12:54 mib_sdkm9v and my koha box is>?
12:54 mib_sdkm9v they are defined there cuz your are on a localhost
12:53 mtompset less edit'ing good.
12:53 eythian in that case, however you've set up the DNS entry for library. and libaryadmin., you'll have to change them to point to your koha box
12:53 mtompset yes, but then you get into the editor wars.
12:53 eythian mtompset: I'm running in a local host VM environment. My hostnames are 'koha' and 'koha-intra', and they're defined in /etc/hosts
12:53 mib_sdkm9v :/
12:53 mib_sdkm9v i am my network administrator its my own
12:52 mib_sdkm9v i want to fix the DNS
12:52 eythian mib_sdkm9v: we can't guide you in that, it's up to your network administrators to do so.
12:52 mib_sdkm9v nope
12:52 mib_sdkm9v to fix the dns problem
12:52 mib_sdkm9v im not quite femiliar with cpanal if there is anything i can do in terminal tell me
12:51 eythian is it easier for you to fix your DNS now, or do you want something that'll make it go now?
12:51 eythian it depends
12:51 eythian well
12:51 eythian mib_sdkm9v: nothing
12:50 mib_sdkm9v so what i do with the host file
12:50 mtompset particularly since the ip address is dynamic.
12:50 mtompset Yes, but I'm running in a local host VM environment. I don't want named hosts. I know the ip address of the machine and will be going to it.
12:49 eythian which means that as soon as they get DNS set up, it will work.
12:49 eythian mtompset: in that case, I would suggest that they use their /etc/hosts file to set it up
12:48 eythian definitely a DNS problem
12:48 eythian www.koyauniversity.org has address 69.64.90.112
12:48 eythian koyauniversity.org has address 69.64.90.112
12:48 eythian libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org is an alias for koyauniversity.org.
12:48 eythian mib_sdkm9v:
12:48 eythian mib_sdkm9v: most likely
12:48 mtompset Yes, but inevitably, someone is going to ask, what if I don't have a named host?
12:48 mib_sdkm9v dns problems right?
12:47 mib_sdkm9v hmm when i enter libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org it gets directed to www.koyauniversity.org
12:47 eythian I want to have a limited amount of options on here
12:47 eythian I was thinking that would be better off on another page
12:46 mtompset I would have left the localhost version in.
12:46 eythian yeah
12:46 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:46 mtompset packages
12:46 wahanui hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
12:46 mtompset debian?
12:46 eythian (my problem is I know how it all works too deeply)
12:45 eythian mtompset: can you have a glance over that page and see if it's clearer for you now?
12:44 jcamins If you run into an excellent seafood restaurant, let me know 'cause Shari and I would like to go back. ;)
12:44 mib_sdkm9v ok very good
12:44 mtompset That is fine, mib_sdkm9v
12:44 mtompset Yes.
12:44 jcamins There is a very good sea food restaurant in LIC. Don't know exactly where, though, or what it's called, so...
12:44 eythian mib_sdkm9v: that looks OK to me
12:43 mtompset This is what I pasted before for koyauni.
12:43 pastebot "mib_sdkm9v" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-sites.conf" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/87
12:43 mtompset http://paste.koha-community.org/85
12:43 nengard I use tripit to track work travel :)
12:43 nengard and then home
12:43 nengard Just going to teach them all about wordpress for the day
12:43 liw eythian, *nod*
12:43 jcamins Use paste.koha-community.org
12:43 nengard LOL
12:43 mib_sdkm9v 9 lines exactly
12:43 jcamins nengard: Long Island City? Not exactly a hopping vacation spot. :)
12:42 eythian liw: I want to make debconf build that file at some stage.
12:42 wahanui i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
12:42 eythian wahanui: paste
12:42 eythian mib_sdkm9v: if it's a couple of lines, yes. Otherwise use pastebin
12:42 mib_sdkm9v of koha-sites.conf
12:42 eythian liw: fixed, ta
12:42 mib_sdkm9v can ai past a out put here
12:41 liw eythian, "OPACSUFFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name." -- s/Prefix/Suffix/ ?
12:40 mib_sdkm9v thank you
12:40 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start <-- this is now hopefully less confusing
12:36 mib_sdkm9v ok :)
12:36 eythian mib_sdkm9v: wait one moment
12:36 mib_sdkm9v mtompset...eythian what should i do to finish the installation ? :)
12:36 eythian the problem you end up with though is that you can't pick a configuration that'll work for many people all that easily
12:35 eythian mtompset: it's on my "want to fix" list
12:35 jcamins We should probably remove it, I suppose.
12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work
12:35 mtompset By the way, does the koha package still exist? Is bug 5071 ever going to get fixed?
12:34 drojf ah ok. i only used it with a database that i just created in the koha-create command and that did not seem to be a problem. but then i did not really see what it would be useful for
12:34 eythian drojf: it can be used to let you define the password yourself, but that's not something that's necessary.
12:33 mtompset No need to try to set your own password.
12:33 mtompset You only need to log into koha ONCE as the default user.
12:33 jcamins drojf: it lets you share a database between multiple instances.
12:32 drojf i dont know what advanced things it would do, i thought its just to set your password yourself
12:32 mtompset I thought it was necessary as part of transplanting our DB into packages... it isn't.
12:32 eythian for example
12:32 eythian I've never ever used it.
12:31 eythian drojf: it's totally and completely unnecessary unless you are doing advanced things
12:31 jcamins drojf: it confuses people.
12:31 koyauni sorry I have to go, many thanks for your time
12:31 koyauni I will be back in 2 hrs and check again
12:31 mtompset eythian is cleaning up the instructions, so please slow down, mib_sdkm9v.
12:31 koyauni ok I remove it
12:31 * drojf is confused now
12:31 drojf what is wrong with that file?
12:31 eythian koyauni: also, why have you gone backwards through the process?
12:30 koyauni :( so no step thing
12:30 eythian mib_sdkm9v: yep, deleting it is fine
12:30 eythian koyauni: the password file doesn't need to exist at all
12:30 mib_sdkm9v right?
12:30 koyauni so in my case that file of passwd should contain instancename:username:password:library
12:30 mib_sdkm9v then i delete the passwd file
12:30 mtompset Stop doing steps.
12:30 mib_sdkm9v ok
12:30 mtompset mib_sdkm9v: Don't follow that step.
12:29 mtompset Trust me,... I had the pleasure of figuring that out lately.
12:29 mib_sdkm9v instance=library......databasename=what ever database we use
12:29 mtompset you don't need it.
12:29 eythian no.
12:29 mtompset NO!
12:29 koyauni is this correct instancename:username:password:databasename
12:29 eythian in about 3 minutes it'll be deleted
12:29 eythian mib_sdkm9v: you should ignore that step
12:29 eythian There are so many possible configurations that it's hard to know what someone wants.
12:28 mtompset I cleaned up the tarball install instructions for Ubuntu, and someone complained I didn't explain how to set up a memcached server.
12:28 mib_sdkm9v instancename:username:password:databasename
12:28 mib_sdkm9v hey i take over for koyauni
12:28 eythian koyauni: the problem is installing a server application onto a server operating system when you don't know how servers work properly. That's like saying it should be dummy-proof to add a room onto your house when you don't know anything about building.
12:27 mtompset So dummy proof is extremely hard to get.
12:27 mtompset Sadly, koyauni, there is a better dummy born every minute.
12:26 koyauni it need to be consistence references to element in this process. it need to be dummy prove !
12:26 liw not having many steps to install is best
12:26 mtompset If it was a graphical install, then most certainly, but terminal commands... just formatted text.
12:26 * mtompset grins, "Yes, it's sort of silly to have a screen shot."
12:25 eythian koyauni: screenshots of terminal commands are hard to copy-paste :)
12:25 koyauni I think screenshots are best
12:24 mtompset And add a comment about the name after --create-db is linked to the subdomain.
12:24 eythian It's tripped a few people up
12:24 eythian though right now, I'm going to remove that stuff about the passwd and existing database and such.
12:23 eythian Well, I want to make it a bit more step-by-step really. And maybe link to optional things
12:23 mtompset It needs a couple things cut and added, but not much.
12:23 mtompset It generally is pretty good.
12:23 mtompset I don't think it needs a start from scratch rewrite.
12:22 eythian cool. All going well, it might be working now.
12:21 koyauni I did that now
12:20 eythian I've been putting it off a bit because I know it needs a start-from-scratch rewrite
12:20 eythian Not with that in mind
12:20 julian_m :)
12:20 mtompset But you did edit it after. You didn't read the whole page? ;)
12:19 mtompset Yes, it was Narcisgarcia. April 25.
12:18 jcamins julian_m++
12:18 eythian and not in the standard instructions
12:17 eythian Using an existing db should be considered advanced
12:17 eythian but not obvious enough
12:17 eythian I didn't add anything to do with the passwd stuff, I have changed it to make it more obvious that it's optional
12:16 mtompset Unless you are talking about Narcisgarcia's April 25-26 stint.
12:15 mtompset May 13-August 9... you made changes, eythian
12:15 mtompset That would be you. :P
12:14 eythian oh, someone's edited that page and made things more confusing
12:14 koyauni ok, lets do this then
12:14 eythian yeah
12:13 koyauni domain
12:13 koyauni yes, so db should be the same as subdoamin
12:13 mtompset yes, because you want library.koyauniversity.org
12:13 koyauni it has to be that then
12:13 mtompset yes
12:13 koyauni sudo koha-create --create-db library
12:13 wahanui magnuse: I forgot library
12:13 magnuse wahanui: forget library
12:13 mtompset sudo koha-create --create-db library
12:12 wahanui library is given the option, via the "/" of whether or not to be that specific in their own classification of the book.
12:12 mtompset library.
12:12 mtompset NO.
12:12 mtompset Your case you want .....
12:12 koyauni sudo koha-create --create-db mykohaLibrary
12:12 mtompset biblio is AN EXAMPLE.
12:12 koyauni ohh that is from wiki instruction page
12:12 drojf because its in the example…
12:12 mtompset koyauni: I told you use library, because you want library.koyauniversity.org
12:11 eythian why do you keep doing that?
12:11 koyauni or it is now done! and way back
12:11 eythian where does biblio come from?
12:11 eythian no
12:11 koyauni and do this now sudo koha-create --create-db biblio
12:11 eythian yeah
12:11 mtompset What is it? koha-remove?
12:10 koyauni can I reverse that step
12:10 koyauni :)
12:10 jcamins koyauni: yes. You are inexperienced with Linux, but you're trying to do something no one else has done.
12:10 koyauni ok, I can do it that way
12:10 * mtompset nods, "Been there. Done than. Doomed ideas that is."
12:09 eythian that's a bad idea doomed to failure
12:09 eythian you're trying to make shortcuts when you don't really know the way
12:09 koyauni does it make any different
12:09 eythian that would make a lot more sense
12:08 koyauni thsi is a new server and DNS still point to the old server
12:08 jcamins koyauni: didn't rangi suggest using koha-create to create the database and then setting up Plesk to do the automatic backup?
12:08 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:08 mtompset packages?
12:08 mtompset Pulling up the page
12:08 mtompset well... let's see...
12:08 koyauni ok, so I do not need to do anything else then
12:08 mtompset and libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
12:07 mtompset that way it sets up for library.koyauniversity.org
12:07 koyauni and it was fine
12:07 mtompset well 'library' was what you were supposed to use. :)
12:06 koyauni I did run sudo koha-create --use-db myDB
12:06 koyauni but the DB is created in Plesk and then I can have auto backup on that DB via Plesk
12:06 mtompset okay... So, you haven't run the koha-create yet?
12:06 koyauni no thsi is just empty DB
12:05 koyauni it world not work
12:05 mtompset taking my data from another system and putting it into the packages version.
12:05 mtompset Okay... I just did this the other day.
12:05 koyauni and created a passwd file as well
12:05 mtompset no no no...
12:04 koyauni I have done up to sudo koha-create --use-db biblio where I force the installation to use our DB
12:04 koyauni I was doing what every father does, feeding my child :)
12:04 koyauni sorry guys,
12:01 nengard :)
12:00 mtompset Greetings, jcamins jwagner nengard and sophie_m
11:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8572 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Attempting to view an invalid authority in the OPAC gives an error instead of 404
11:49 jenkins_koha jcamins: Bug 8572: invalid auth shouldn't cause error
11:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #129: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/129/
11:48 drojf hi jcamins
11:34 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
10:47 * mtompset wanders off for a meal called supper.
10:46 * mtompset doesn't know. Sorry. I'm still pretty new to the community.
10:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #129 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8590 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , checked out from missing on patron detail
10:44 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8590 - checked out from missing on patron detail
10:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #128: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/128/
10:37 itachi aha ok can you lead me to someone knows about those stuff
10:37 mtompset That sounds like a librarian type question. Sorry, I don't know.
10:35 itachi how do you start sorting them in shelves ?
10:34 itachi ok so after you have everything ready i mean the records and they all have Call Number and Control number
10:34 mtompset Seeing, as koyauni has gone quiet, why not? :)
10:33 itachi can i ask a question about managing the system? i mean koha
10:29 mtompset you can get multiple sites with packages, you can't with tarballs and gits.
10:28 mtompset Yes, that is yet another advantage of packages... easy site management.
10:27 eythian for example, running koha-create again is possible and will do something sensible, running make install won't
10:27 mtompset but the the latter requires a bunch of linking.
10:27 eythian I won't conflate them, semantically and what they do is almost totally different.
10:27 mtompset the koha-create step is kind of like the sudo make install.
10:26 mtompset sort of.
10:25 mtompset But then it rejoins for some apache2 stuff...
10:25 eythian yeah
10:25 mtompset It's when you do the install koha-common vs. building... that's when it deviates.
10:24 mtompset technically, the install mysql-server step could be combined with the tarball's dselect steps.
10:23 mtompset Because the pre-install stuff is the same for all three: add repo, apt-get update, upgrade
10:22 eythian I want to get more of it automated eventually
10:21 mtompset I'm still pondering the install process how to better synchronize the tarball, git, and packages install instructions.
10:20 eythian or put somewhere else
10:20 eythian yeah, that passwd thing needs to be removed.
10:20 mtompset He's got the sudo a2enmod rewrite, sudo apt-get install mysql-server first.
10:19 eythian I was making sure he didn't go and do it now because it would fail and cause an annoying situation to fix.
10:19 mtompset Oh, an koyauni --- ignore that /etc/koha/passwd thing... it is a confusing comment for power user setups.
10:18 mtompset I know not yet... he's got a couple steps before that.
10:18 eythian also with no . at the end when the time comes
10:18 eythian not yet
10:18 eythian no
10:18 mtompset sudo koha-create --create-db library.
10:18 eythian yeah, more or less
10:17 eythian in koyauni's case, he'd want to do 'koha-create --create-db library' (later on, not now, work through the steps first, don't jump ahead)
10:17 mtompset Ah, okay... so his koha-create command will be koha-create library?
10:17 eythian mtompset: the hostname is the name you give to koha-create
10:16 koyauni the host name is the same as the main domain]
10:16 mtompset I'm assuming it will ask for the hostname part, eythian? Or is it going to grab it from the machinename?
10:15 koyauni yes
10:15 mtompset I assumed you were using Marc21 and EN.
10:15 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What your file should look like." (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/85
10:14 wahanui i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
10:14 mtompset paste?
10:14 mtompset Hmm.... should have pastebin'd that.
10:14 mtompset ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en" # Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb'
10:14 mtompset ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21" # Specifies format of MARC records to be indexed by Zebra. Possible values are 'marc21', 'normarc' and 'unimarc'
10:14 mtompset OPACSUFFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset OPACPREFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset OPACPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the users' interface
10:14 mtompset DEFAULTSQL="" # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database
10:14 mtompset INTRASUFFIX="admin" # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset INTRAPREFIX="" # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset INTRAPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the administration interface
10:14 mtompset DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string.
10:14 koyauni OPACSUFFIX=""
10:14 koyauni like this
10:13 koyauni ok
10:11 mtompset Yes.
10:11 eythian yes
10:11 koyauni ok I leave those blank then
10:10 eythian this is why Koha can't be set up like drupal, drupal doesn't need multiple interfaces to one application like this.
10:10 mtompset SAMPLElibraryEXAMPLE.koyauniversity.org
10:10 mtompset OPACSUFFIX="EXAMPLE" means
10:09 eythian OPAC is Online Public Access Catalog, this is not your staff client.
10:09 mtompset means SAMPLElibrary.koyauniversity.org
10:09 mtompset OPACPREFIX="SAMPLE"
10:09 itachi leaving it means 80 and nothing will show up after.org
10:09 mtompset No... blank.
10:08 koyauni OPACPREFIX="libraryadmin"
10:08 koyauni so libraryadmin then
10:08 mtompset No, leave the OPACPREFIX and OPACSUFFIX blank.
10:08 itachi yes
10:08 eythian if you do that you'll end up with "librarylibrary"
10:08 mtompset OPAC is the user client.
10:08 eythian that's a prefix, that's not the name
10:08 itachi no thats the users interface be careful
10:08 eythian no
10:08 koyauni OPACPREFIX="library"
10:08 mtompset Yes, what eythian said.
10:08 eythian normally you'd want port 80.
10:08 mtompset no, because OPAC is NOT the staff client.
10:08 koyauni OPACPORT="8080"
10:07 wahanui Of course!
10:07 eythian really?
10:07 koyauni is ok then
10:07 koyauni 8080
10:07 koyauni ok
10:07 mtompset if you wanted library.koyauniversity.org:12345 ... you'd put 12345 as the port.
10:07 koyauni it did not ask me
10:07 mtompset You could have it on a different port.
10:06 koyauni what is OPACPORT=""
10:06 mtompset yes.
10:06 * eythian really needs to make it ask these questions at install time.
10:06 koyauni INTRAPREFIX=""
10:06 mtompset right.
10:06 koyauni INTRASUFFIX="admin"
10:06 eythian the "next one" is INTRASUFFIX, yes?
10:05 mtompset Yes.
10:05 koyauni and next one "admin"
10:05 koyauni oh I left the INTRAPREFIX empty
10:05 mtompset and library.kohauniversity.org for OPAC.
10:05 mtompset that will give the staff client libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
10:05 koyauni yes,
10:05 eythian koyauni: right, you just do what makes sense there, which is the way mtompset is explaining it.
10:04 mtompset and put INTRASUFFIX="admin"
10:04 mtompset leave INTRAPREFIX=""
10:04 mtompset Oops... I made a typo.
10:04 koyauni thats where I stock
10:04 wahanui i heard INTRASUFFIX was so you can put -admin or something as the suffix on the name of the staff client
10:04 eythian and INTRASUFFIX
10:04 eythian INTRAPREFIX
10:04 mtompset that will map like you have said.
10:04 mtompset and put INTRANETSUFFIX="admin"
10:03 mtompset leave INTRANETPREFIX=""
10:03 eythian yes
10:03 eythian good point
10:03 eythian oh
10:03 mtompset wait, wouldn't that be SUFFIX not PREFIX?
10:02 eythian then that's what you want
10:02 eythian yep
10:02 koyauni and admin as libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
10:02 koyauni I have one user URL as library.koyauniversity.org
10:01 koyauni 3rd , INTRAPREFIX="admin" # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:01 eythian sure
10:01 koyauni INTRAPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the administration interface
10:01 koyauni 2nd one I left it as it is
10:01 * mtompset nods.
10:01 eythian seems fine
10:01 koyauni DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string.
10:01 koyauni first line I did
10:00 koyauni I mean put the pack in on folder and do web based config that it with Drupal,
10:00 eythian if you're stuck on one of them, you should ask about it.
10:00 mtompset koha is way easier than drupal... well, I did do drupal on an RPM-based OS.
09:59 eythian what you write depends on your setup. It has explanations for each of the options.
09:59 koyauni I wish one day Koha become as easy as installing Drupal
09:59 koyauni just need help with that ,conf file what I actually need to write
09:58 mtompset everything is assembled, and it comes with handy-dandy scripts to boot.
09:58 mtompset packages is pre-built for the user.
09:58 koyauni I am basic user in Linus and new to Koha
09:57 itachi thank you.....what is the difference between those two kind of installation
09:57 drojf koyauni: yes, continue with that, it is what you want
09:57 mtompset koyauni is doing a packages install, which is correct.
09:57 wahanui If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball.
09:57 mtompset which install to use?
09:57 wahanui The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
09:57 mtompset tarball?
09:57 koyauni I do not want to get lost between different installation
09:57 wahanui i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
09:57 mtompset git?
09:57 wahanui i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:57 mtompset packages?
09:57 koyauni I would rather follow the one on wiki as I have done most of it,
09:57 mtompset There are three ways to install Koha.
09:56 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- right there
09:55 itachi well can you please give me a link for a guide on how to install koha on debian
09:52 drojf and spend a lot more time on your installation than necessary
09:51 eythian (unless you specifically want a git install)
09:51 eythian no, don't
09:49 itachi hey follow this to install koha on debian http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;hb=HEAD
09:49 eythian you'll have to ask a question though, or we can't really help you.
09:48 koyauni that is why I am stock :(
09:47 eythian (mostly in that if you mix them up, stuff won't work)
09:47 eythian that's .conf, there's a difference :)
09:47 koyauni in this file /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
09:47 koyauni there is in here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:45 drojf koyauni: it would help if you could ask a concrete question
09:45 eythian There is no .config file...you'll have to give more information.
09:44 koyauni yes .config file
09:42 drojf wow, external harddisks are still ridiculously expensive. when was that flood when prices went up? a year ago? yeah for collusive pricing
09:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #128 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:37 eythian Where is "the middle"?
09:33 koyauni I am stock in the middle is there anyone who can guid me please
09:33 koyauni http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:33 koyauni hi guys, I am new to Koha and I have used this to install it on my Debian dedicated server
09:26 mtompset YAY! a 16% point drop. Hopefully my colleagues won't be flooded out of the office much longer.
09:25 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 28.0°C (5:00 PM PHT on August 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
09:25 mtompset @wunder MNL
09:25 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.4°C (11:12 AM CEST on August 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
09:25 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:24 mtompset Lost internet connectivity for a while due to flooding in the local vicinity.
09:23 mtompset Yes, that's about right. :)
09:23 wahanui hmmm... mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons.
09:23 drojf hey mtompset
09:20 mtompset Greetings, drojf
09:07 mtompset Perhaps it resonates at 52Hz... that's touching.
09:06 drojf hey kf and eythian
09:06 eythian hi drojf
09:06 kf morning drojf
09:06 eythian (that last one really is the saddest thing, too)
09:05 drojf hi #koha
09:03 wahanui the saddest thing is, like, http://ur1.ca/9x67k
09:03 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 eythian ?!
09:03 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui okay, eythian.
09:03 eythian no wahanui, the saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW|http://ur1.ca/9x67k
09:03 wahanui ...but saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW...
09:03 eythian wahanui: the saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW|http://ur1.ca/9x67k
09:02 wahanui eythian: the saddest thing =is= <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:02 eythian wahanui: literal the saddest thing
09:02 eythian heh
09:02 wahanui U+26C4 is, like, the unicode for SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:02 mtompset U+26C4?
09:02 mtompset U+26C4
09:02 eythian maybe length of the right-hand side (just a guess)
09:01 eythian I'm not sure the criteria
09:01 eythian kf: I don't think he learns everything
09:01 mtompset Yes, that is not useful.
09:01 eythian mtompset: U+26C4 is the unicode for SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:00 kf ok.. wouldn't be very useful :)
09:00 kf not learning!
09:00 kf something?
09:00 kf something is something
09:00 kf something?
09:00 mtompset What is U+26C4?
09:00 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:00 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:00 eythian oops
09:00 eythian kf: they still do work. It was "what" that was causing the issue
08:59 eythian kf: they still do work. It was "what" that was causing the issue
08:59 mtompset Nice.
08:59 kf eythian: yeah, but is/are used to work?
08:59 wahanui ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
08:59 eythian wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
08:59 wahanui standards are what you use to hold up a fence.
08:59 mtompset standards?
08:59 wahanui RDA is, like, a room in a twisty maze of standards
08:59 mtompset RDA?
08:59 eythian oh, no. It's just his grammar is a bit ... odd.
08:59 wahanui standards are what you use to hold up a fence.
08:59 mtompset standards?
08:59 kf weather in Germany?
08:59 kf weather in germany is nice today
08:59 kf I noticed he has some problemswith learning new facts lately
08:58 kf lol
08:57 eythian finally
08:57 eythian there we go
08:57 wahanui OK, eythian.
08:57 eythian wahanui: standards are \what \you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 wahanui ...but standard is not so practical for that...
08:56 eythian wahanui: standard is \what \you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 eythian ?!
08:56 wahanui i don't know, eythian
08:56 eythian wahanui: standard is what \you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 wahanui eythian: bugger all, i dunno
08:56 eythian wahanui: standard is what you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 wahanui i haven't a clue, eythian
08:56 eythian wahanui: a standard is what you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 mtompset Well, that was a nice dead-end. :(
08:55 mtompset standards?
08:55 wahanui RDA is probably a room in a twisty maze of standards
08:55 mtompset RDA?
08:42 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL â–¸ Top stories today via @NewWorldLibrary @kohails @OverDriveLibs"
08:30 huginn eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
08:30 eythian huginn: you have news for me?
08:22 kf woohoo :) rangi++
08:16 magnuse woohoo!
07:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7560 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , SIP Self Checkout Ignoring Fines Thresholds for Not Being able to Check Out Books
07:59 rangi actualy bug 7560 seems to work fine
07:52 kf rangi: yeah, only never have used telnet so far :) and not sure where to cut and paste from - but I knwo it can be done. only not figured out the specifics yet :)
07:51 magnuse ah, cool blog post!
07:50 rangi telnet and cut and paste :)
07:50 rangi kf: you can actually test sip with telnet
07:49 rangi http://findingheroes.co.nz/2012/03/30/open-source-ils-much-bigger-than-you-think/
07:49 rangi yep
07:49 kf rangi: didn't you do a blog post about big libraries? :)
07:48 magnuse would a page of "large koha installations" on the wiki be a good idea?
07:48 hdl magnuse: nevermind: seems broken
07:48 rangi http://catalog.pisd.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
07:47 rangi 67 schools
07:46 wahanui magnuse: sorry...
07:46 magnuse wahanui: that sounds promising
07:46 rangi plano is big
07:46 wahanui somebody said the number was right
07:46 magnuse hdl: do you know the number?
07:46 kf simulators
07:45 kf if you don't have the machine :)
07:45 hdl It is the biggest one I know of
07:45 kf there are programs to test SIP
07:45 magnuse ah, ok
07:45 hdl lots of items
07:45 hdl magnuse: in order to cope wih SIP, you need the machine.
07:45 magnuse hdl: speaking of lots of branches?
07:43 kf there is also one for ldap
07:43 hdl magnuse: http://granthalaya.org/
07:43 kf still have not ifgured out how to test those
07:43 kf yeah :(
07:43 * magnuse hopes someone will take pity on the SIP patches that have been waiting a looong time...
07:42 magnuse yay!
07:42 wahanui dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
07:42 magnuse dashboard?
07:37 kf and he is already leading the dashboard :)
07:37 kf oh wow
07:36 magnuse in fact, for rangi gbsd is only 4.5 hours away!
07:35 magnuse morning
07:35 rangi evening
07:35 magnuse w00t!
07:34 wahanui well, next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 magnuse next gbsd?
07:34 magnuse next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 wahanui magnuse: I forgot next gbsd
07:34 magnuse wahanui: forget next gbsd
07:34 wahanui next gbsd is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-02-08_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 magnuse next gbsd?
07:34 magnuse next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 magnuse woohoo!
07:30 kf hey, have you heard? tomorrow is GBSD!
07:30 kf morning magnuse :)
07:29 magnuse guten morgen mveron and kf and kohakhan
07:29 kf hi again #koha
07:12 mveron :-)
07:12 mveron good morning everybody
07:08 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
07:07 gaetan_B hello
07:04 Judit thanks
07:03 magnuse i started a list here: http://libriotech.no/node/74
07:03 magnuse Near East University Library has the number 1.500.000, but not sure that's records or items
07:02 magnuse marshall breeding says they have 7131660 volumes, but they night not all be in koha
07:02 magnuse maybe National Library of Venezuela: http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=927
07:01 Judit the biggest db?
07:00 Judit hm
07:00 Judit oh
07:00 magnuse looks like 45 branches
06:59 magnuse this is the biggest one i can think of off the top of my head: http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/
06:58 Judit 100?1000?
06:57 magnuse good question :-)
06:57 Judit what is the max at the moment out there
06:56 magnuse not that i have heard of
06:55 Judit i sthere a maximum number of branches koha can handle
06:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , $search = '0' or 0 will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
06:48 mtompset I haven't had time to go look back at bug 8350.
06:48 mtompset Perhaps the title is wrong, and it is a space?
06:48 mtompset Sorry to hear that. -- I vaguely recall locking for just a ' ' in some search related issue I encountered.
06:47 julian_m mtompset, network issues... what do you want to ask me?
06:47 * magnuse waves
06:41 mtompset ' '
06:41 mtompset I vaguely remember in some search looking for space.
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , $search = '0' or 0 will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
06:41 mtompset bug 8350
06:40 julian_m hello mtompset
06:40 mtompset I haven't had a chance to look at your feedback on the bug report yet.
06:40 mtompset Greetings, julian_m
05:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:50 mtj rangi++
04:31 cait :)
04:30 mtj (as my inkscape skills get better)
04:30 mtj thanx, its a 'work in progress'
04:27 cait mtj: I love your logo :)
04:24 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/user/mtj/?
04:24 mtj hey cait
04:23 rangi mtj: i started adding descriptions, ill keep doing that :)
04:23 cait hi mtj :)
04:22 cait good morning #koha
04:21 mtj ah yep - i actually knew that (but then forgot it too)
04:17 rangi so bartsimpson is gonna get some points when his patches are pushed :)
04:16 rangi easiest way to get points, fix a failing test, or create new tests
04:16 rangi heh, it only works on patches that improve the build (or don't break it)
04:16 mtj s/ring/rig/
04:15 mtj rangi, nice :) can we ring it so i get points for qa-ing stuff?
04:13 rangi mtj: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/?
04:09 rangi yup, you can treat them the same
04:07 bartsimpson rangi: is "text" the same as "varchar" when making mock data?
04:01 bartsimpson hi :)
03:58 mtj heya bart
03:41 mtj i reckon too :)
03:40 rangi yep, they work better up there i reckon
03:38 mtj cart and lists moved up tha' top, etc...
03:37 mtj [off] -> http://dev1.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=the
03:37 mtj and... its quite similar-ish to my opac theming attempts, too
03:36 rangi yeah needs a few follow ups fixing translation issues but is pretty sweet
03:35 mtj -> love
03:35 mtj damn, i really that new opac look
03:31 mtj handles a resize, real nice
03:30 rangi (or just resize your browser to small)
03:29 rangi peep that on your phone
03:29 rangi http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ <-- got the mobile theme running
03:29 mtj rangi be noes where i be cumin' from
03:28 mtj pop a kinder-surprise thingy in them, use them for additional storage
03:28 rangi heh
03:28 bag do the goatee first then you can match the holes to that :)
03:27 bag ha
03:27 mtj i mean *really* big holes
03:26 mtj i'm kinda thinking about growing a sweet goatee, and getting some big holes in my earlobes...
03:25 bag yeah that's a funny show :)
03:25 mtj bag , ive just 'discovered' portlandia -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nMnr8ZirI
03:21 bag love it!
03:21 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!!
03:21 bag mtj?
00:04 mtj hi Judit :)
00:03 mtj virtual one is already installed, already configured
00:03 Judit morning
00:02 mtj yep :)