Time  Nick         Message
23:59 dcook        Does anyone know what happens if you already have a systempreference in your DB but updatedatabase.pl tries to insert it anyways?
23:58 dcook        Allo #koha
21:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8440 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Passed QA , Dates does not appear in suggestions management
21:13 jenkins_koha fridolyn.somers: Bug 8440: Dates does not appear in suggestions management
21:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #130: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/130/
20:35 * cait       waves too
20:13 * kathryn    waves back
20:13 * wizzyrea   waves to the newcomers
20:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #130 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:05 rangi        bbiab
20:05 rangi        ok, apparently i have to play cars
19:45 drojf        we need one, that's for sure
19:43 jcamins      Wasn't there supposed to be some new, more-open micropayments handler?
19:42 drojf        damn fascists
19:42 * jcamins    is shocked, surely.
19:40 rangi        http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=15472878790f9faa11317e085&id=80ce9994ad  <-- who saw this coming
19:38 jcamins      Hmmm...
19:34 eythian      aqorders, biblio, items, then the two subqueries
19:31 jcamins      What order is it selecting in?
19:30 eythian      (that's the case even when it's fast though)
19:30 eythian      everything except aqorders is using a key
19:30 jcamins      What does explain say?
19:29 eythian      yep
19:26 jcamins      If you remove the items join temporarily, does it run quickly?
19:24 eythian      the subqueries seem fast enough (I put indices in to help), it's the two joins
19:24 eythian      http://paste.koha-community.org/81 <-- jcamins
19:23 jcamins      eythian: are you doing a select over biblioitems?
19:23 rangi        explain doesnt tell you anything useful?
19:22 eythian      annoyingly, if I break it down into parts it's fast enough, it's when it's all together that it's not
19:13 eythian      ah, no fun
19:13 jcamins      I'm sure he's fine, but how are his parents doing? :)
19:13 rangi        and then ill take a look at the sql
19:13 rangi        ill just write my whereis
19:13 rangi        atarau had a febrile seizure, caused by the flu, so we ended up at ED on wednesday
19:12 eythian      ED?
19:12 rangi        i suspect i got some strain of it from the ED, the vaccine had been protecting me up to there
19:12 eythian      If you feel like SQL will help, I can't get a query to run in a reasonable time :)
19:12 rangi        yeah, its a nasty one
19:11 eythian      urg
19:11 rangi        well, after 2 weeks of being the only one not to get the flu on level 7, or at home, ive sucumbed
18:43 eythian      not as bad as I expected
18:43 eythian      Query OK, 1708404 rows affected (4 min 42.31 sec)
18:27 eythian      (and above)
18:26 eythian      so the report date picker is only in 3.8?
18:17 drojf        heh. that's odd. never used this vm, made it in edinburgh. i guess i made something funny when changing paths from package to git
18:12 jcamins      Yes.
18:12 jcamins      Ah.
18:12 drojf        yes
18:12 jcamins      You mean database user?
18:12 drojf        but its the default user, shouldn't that be superlibrarian?
18:11 drojf        ah you mean my user that tries to set the permissions lacks the permissions so he cannot set them for the other user?
18:10 jcamins      You can only set permissions that your user has.
18:10 drojf        hrm. why would i have only the "set flags" button, but no actual flags to set when i want to set permissions for a user?
18:00 maximep      I can't keep up with him :p
17:59 maximep      fcapovilla is a machine :p
17:56 drojf        i should have a virtual machine running all my virtual machines, it's getting confusing
17:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8610 normal, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Normalize records imported from Z39.50 servers to prevent Zebra search problems.
17:49 jcamins      fcapovilla++ # for bug 8610
17:22 mtompset     Bye, #koha.
17:22 * mtompset   waves.
17:22 * mtompset   grumbles, "ARG! Programming bug somewhere. Can't work on Koha. :("
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16:47 mtompset     document guidelines?
16:46 mtompset     format guidelines?
16:46 mtompset     formatting guidelines?
16:46 wahanui      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
16:46 mtompset     coding guidelines?
16:46 mtompset     guidelines?
16:45 jcamins      Hehe.
16:44 wahanui      work flow is workflow spelled less correctly.
16:44 mtompset     work flow?
16:44 mtompset     work flow is workflow spelled less correctly.
16:43 wahanui      rumour has it workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:43 mtompset     workflow?
16:43 wahanui      i already had it that way, mtompset.
16:43 mtompset     wahanui: workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:43 jcamins      Usually one word, but it doesn't matter.
16:43 mtompset     workflow is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
16:42 mtompset     work flow?
16:42 mtompset     workflow?
16:42 jcamins      No brackets.
16:41 jcamins      Right.
16:41 mtompset     Well, it says to avoid [bug ####]
16:41 jcamins      As long as it is "Bug ####" it'll get into the release notes.
16:41 jcamins      It doesn't matter.
16:41 mtompset     my git commits have been "bug #### - "
16:41 mtompset     it should say "bug ####:"?
16:40 mtompset     Oh shoot...
16:36 mtompset     No, no... Dancing with the Stars. ;)
16:31 cait         stars
16:31 * cait       likes reaching for the starts
16:31 cait         maybe we can go 70? :)
16:31 cait         that's not too bad
16:30 mtompset     12:28... and it is sitting at 85. http://bugs.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/bug_status.pl
16:23 eythian      but it didn't tell me that
16:23 eythian      no, it was some stray data I had lying around
16:23 jcamins      Well, it must be whatever file was changed last?
16:23 jcamins      No, not at all.
16:22 eythian      not helpful
16:22 eythian      > Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output
16:22 eythian      so 00-valid-xml.t doesn't tell you where an error is when it fails :/
16:21 jcamins      Mine is a Core2duo or whatever it's called, with an ordinary hard drive. I never thought it was going to be particularly speedy.
16:20 eythian      my laptop is an i7 with a hybrid HD, it should be speedy.
16:20 * jcamins    is counting on a new server being much much faster than his laptop.
16:19 eythian      running builds on my fairly hefty laptop is still a lot slower than my 2.5 year old ddesktop machine.
16:18 drojf        there goes my signoff :/
16:16 eythian      it's a curse, I know
16:16 jcamins      eythian: stop trying to be sensible and doing things correctly.
16:00 mtompset     It looks like I'll be focusing on a couple of my own bugs for a bit.
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15:39 eythian      yeah
15:39 jcamins      Pretty weird, though.
15:38 jcamins      Maybe.
15:38 eythian      I wonder if because I was working on the code in one timezone, moving stuff over with git, and attempting the build there that something was getting out of sync timestamp-wise
15:38 eythian      Hmm
15:37 eythian      damn. Me neither until today.
15:37 jcamins      eythian: never.
15:26 eythian      it went straight into running the rest of the rules, which obviously failed.
15:25 eythian      jcamins_away: have you ever seen a package build not run the makefile?
15:25 wizzyrea     if lots say "yes I have this problem too" it's easy to know what to fix
15:25 wizzyrea     slightly different context but also a better metric for judging severity
15:24 wizzyrea     yes, I like that too
15:24 eythian      launchpad has a "this affects me" button
15:24 eythian      well, a bit different
15:24 eythian      wizzyrea: it's sorta how gerrit works I think
15:24 wizzyrea     hm yes
15:23 drojf        i would not be suprprised to see that available in some form. you can have plugins in bugzilla, right?
15:23 wizzyrea     :)
15:22 drojf        write a patch for bugzilla ;)
15:22 * wizzyrea   is impossibly lazy.
15:22 wizzyrea     to say I agree.
15:22 wizzyrea     I just want to +1 or like it
15:22 wizzyrea     i'm looking at a bug, and I don't want to add a comment "yes, what he said"
15:22 wizzyrea     and google +1
15:22 wizzyrea     I think facebook has changed the way I want to use most things.
15:19 gaetan_B     bye !
15:19 wizzyrea     yep
15:18 nengard      i would love to see this finally fixed in 3.10 at least
15:18 nengard      yeah - added a note to get a new patch maybe
15:18 wizzyrea     doesn't apply :(
15:17 wizzyrea     dunno, we should try it again I think
15:15 wizzyrea     looks like it failed qa for varying things
15:13 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6413 major, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Failed QA , Notes in Fines doing wonky things
15:13 nengard      anyone know where we are with bug 6413 ?
15:01 drojf        done
14:57 drojf        thanks for setting it up
14:57 drojf        i will in a minute
14:57 eythian      cool, yeah add it there if you like
14:55 drojf        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
14:54 eythian      what's the wiki page?
14:53 eythian      ah right, it probably fired off a bunch of ajax requests and you got a popup for each one
14:53 drojf        set firefox from "no cookies" to "ask" when it does not work without the cooky, get a lot of windows that ask instantly ;)
14:53 wahanui      i guess next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
14:53 kf           next gbsd?
14:53 wahanui      hmmm... gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day
14:53 kf           gbsd?
14:53 kf           on the page for today's gbsd?
14:53 kf           eythian: could you put the link in the wiki maybe?
14:53 mtompset     Well, I'll try to do one... but no guarantees. I don't make promises I can't keep.
14:52 eythian      drojf: I don't know how that would work
14:52 kf           plus others will be more likely to sign off on your patches :)
14:52 drojf        woops, i got 37 windows trying to give me a cookie for the etherpad
14:52 kf           mtompset: drojf is right - all developers should do their part in testing, it's much needed and you learn a lot about how Koha works
14:51 kf           no, for bringing gbsd to germany :)
14:51 eythian      https://etherpad.catalyst.net.nz/hzCeJFExU3 <-- drojf and everyone
14:51 drojf        for spamming my patch? cool, i'll do that more often ;)
14:51 mtompset     ha ha ha....
14:50 kf           drojf++
14:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client
14:50 drojf        mtompset: there is this really cool and easy to test bug 8377 if you want to try a signoff later ;)
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14:48 drojf        would be cool!
14:47 eythian      I can make you an etherpad if you want it
14:45 drojf        s/put it/put in/
14:45 drojf        i think there used to be an etherpad or something to put it what you work on, so people don't work on the same stuff. at least we had that at the hackfest, no idea who provided that
14:44 drojf        and we could use it
14:44 drojf        i tested that one before
14:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8185 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tajoli, Needs Signoff , Plugin for linking records in MARC21
14:44 * drojf      claims bug 8185
14:42 drojf        this is labelled "patches for gbsd" in the wiki
14:42 drojf        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?list_id=20154&query_format=advanced&bug_status=Needs%20Signoff&bug_status=Failed%20QA&bug_status=Patch%20doesn%27t%20apply
14:42 drojf        but yes, it takes quite some time, even for th easy stuff that i was able to signoff on
14:42 wahanui      bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
14:42 mtompset     bugs?
14:42 mtompset     Is there a list of bugs somewhere?
14:42 drojf        it's a way to get around all things koha. you go to places you have never been before ;)
14:41 mtompset     Let alone the interface.
14:41 mtompset     I still haven't mastered the data model.
14:41 wizzyrea     i've been frustrated lately by failing tests.
14:41 * wizzyrea   has done many signoffs in her day
14:41 mtompset     That would mean I'd have to know how to test.
14:40 drojf        you should try signoffing too. it does not work if everybody adds patches and nobody does the testing
14:40 wizzyrea     lol you guys are funny
14:39 drojf        i'd like to start to avoid doing stuff that i should actually be doing
14:39 mtompset     You need to work to your strengths. :)
14:39 mtompset     I much prefer finding and providing patches.
14:38 mtompset     I've never done a sign off before.
14:38 mtompset     Technically, it isn't for another 1.5hours for me.
14:36 drojf        i know, it seems to have not arrived in #koha too
14:35 kf           drojf: technically it's not arrvied in germany yet :)
14:35 eythian      Try not to eat _all_ the ice cream ;)
14:34 drojf        i may just sit quietly in the corner and do a frustration signoff later
14:33 eythian      *invited
14:33 eythian      ooh. awkward. No one invided drojf.
14:31 drojf        so it's gbsd for some people already? where's the music, the drinks, the people?
14:26 drojf        heh
14:26 mtompset     BAH! Let them enter them again. We know how fun that is. ;)
14:23 drojf        but that might lead to people complaining about losing all other frameworks after import ;)
14:22 drojf        hm yes it might need a "drop table" and add all custom frameworks at once. "export all frameworks to one sql file" would be a nice option for that
14:10 mtompset     I blame auto-increment fields. ;)
14:08 drojf        …
14:07 mib_fpxghe   .
14:06 drojf        yes i would have a look at the whole dump but i would need to get rid of the biblio data first. no fun scrolling through a 1,4gb file
14:05 eythian      I think otherwise some sequences get upset or something
14:05 eythian      the only time I've really had it work is when loading all the frameworks from one site into another one
14:05 drojf        s/out/output/
14:04 drojf        eythian: yes we will have to do it that way. i think we have to manually create each framework and then load the csv or whatever out we have, i tried to avoid that. still way faster than clicking all the frameworks anew
14:03 eythian      the framework stuff is confusing to me
14:03 eythian      drojf: might be worth trying the non-SQL methods?
14:03 drojf        thanks for trying though :)
14:02 gaetan_B     oh, can't help you i'm afraid then... :(
14:02 gaetan_B     if a foreign key constraint fails, then the import fails silently
14:02 drojf        directly in mysql
14:01 gaetan_B     i've had problems importing through the staff client before
14:01 gaetan_B     drojf: are you importing it directly in mysql or through the staff client ?
14:00 mib_sdkm9v   i will tell koyauni to disable the old servers things and i will tell him that his site is still handled by the old server
13:59 mib_sdkm9v   hum that could be it
13:59 eythian      if one is out of sync, crazy things happen
13:58 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: also possible, yeah
13:58 drojf        if i export marc biblio frameworks from the staff client in sql and import that sql into a fresh koha db, i don't see the new framework in the new staff client. what am i missing?
13:58 mtompset     Low can we go would have been better. ;)
13:58 mib_sdkm9v   or they are handled from 2 different servers and DNS s
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13:57 eythian      Sounds like the changes haven't been committed on the DNS server
13:56 mib_sdkm9v   so i say why>?
13:56 mib_sdkm9v   yes exactly
13:56 eythian      and it's still saying the old one
13:56 eythian      dig +trace koyauniversity.org should get the absolute latest one I think
13:55 mib_sdkm9v   you get me
13:55 mib_sdkm9v   nah those are all the old servers things
13:55 eythian      your name server is at 64.150.179.21 and is still reporting the old address
13:54 mib_sdkm9v   thats koyauniversit.org old server ip address
13:54 mib_sdkm9v   ?
13:54 mib_sdkm9v   the new one is different so whats wrong
13:54 mib_sdkm9v   that ip address is the old servers ip address
13:54 eythian      69.64.90.112
13:53 mib_sdkm9v   it get you an ip address
13:53 mib_sdkm9v   when you type host koyauniversity.org
13:53 mib_sdkm9v   man lets do this one more time
13:52 mib_sdkm9v   yup
13:52 eythian      did you restart apache after you did the dissite?
13:51 eythian      THAT one
13:51 eythian      sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
13:51 eythian      err
13:51 eythian      that one
13:51 eythian      sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default //etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
13:51 eythian      no wait
13:51 eythian      sudo ln -s /etc/apache2/sites-available/default //etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default
13:51 mib_sdkm9v   -_-
13:51 mib_sdkm9v   undo*
13:50 mib_sdkm9v   tell me how to re do what i did
13:50 mib_sdkm9v   it didnt change anything
13:48 eythian      (a2ensite will probably give it a different name, hence not doing that)
13:48 eythian      just a2dissite default. To turn it back on, you can recreate the symlink
13:48 eythian      yeah
13:47 mib_sdkm9v   or if it didnt change anything'
13:47 mib_sdkm9v   if anything got wrong
13:47 mib_sdkm9v   well i can enable it after that right?
13:46 eythian      (as drojf said really)
13:46 eythian      are you able to disable that without it affecting anything else?
13:45 eythian      well, it sounds a lot like 000-default is taking over
13:45 mib_sdkm9v   hey eythhian take a look at what i said and tell me if you have an idea
13:44 mib_sdkm9v   thats not a problem
13:44 mib_sdkm9v   the koyauniversity.org is still one the 69 ip which should have changed to the new ip
13:43 drojf        mib_sdkm9v: 000-default is the apache test page. you can turn that off with 'sudo a2dissite default'. unless you changed that page and it does something useful of course
13:43 mib_sdkm9v   hey the koyauniversity.org get the maintenance page while the new server ip which detected to it get another page
13:42 mtompset     idea.
13:42 mtompset     of course... if this hosts the university's pages, that's probably a bad idead.
13:41 mtompset     I don't know about everyone else here, but I tend to edit the 000-default to be port 4080, and then add a listen 4080 to the ports.conf
13:40 mib_sdkm9v   the 000-default and library and another one
13:40 mtompset     what are their names?
13:40 mib_sdkm9v   3 :/ should be 2 or 1 right
13:39 mib_sdkm9v   aha
13:39 mib_sdkm9v   yes sorry guys appreciate it
13:39 mtompset     out of curiousity... how many files were in the sites-enabled directory?
13:38 mtompset     And this has become a networking/apache problem far beyond the typical scope of Koha.
13:38 mib_sdkm9v   thats why i dont want to do that :/
13:37 mib_sdkm9v   yes yes
13:37 eythian      if you do that, just remember you did, or you'll get really confused why things behave differently on your machine vs. another one.
13:37 eythian      edit the hosts file on your local machine?
13:37 mib_sdkm9v   then what should i do
13:36 mib_sdkm9v   -_-
13:36 mib_sdkm9v   cuz the new ip directs to another place not the maintenance page
13:36 jcamins      You can't use subdomains with IP addresses.
13:35 mib_sdkm9v   that might work
13:35 mib_sdkm9v   libraryadmin.thenewip.org
13:35 mib_sdkm9v   just let me check that idea
13:35 mib_sdkm9v   really
13:35 mib_sdkm9v   idk
13:35 mib_sdkm9v   yup
13:35 mtompset     And now you are in the transitional mess?
13:34 eythian      that'd make some sense
13:34 mtompset     Okay... so you were on domain X. Decided to jump domain providers.
13:34 mib_sdkm9v   thats why this shit is happning
13:34 mib_sdkm9v   but i think they didnt delete or disable it there
13:34 mib_sdkm9v   no no the domain was on another old server before they get it on this one
13:33 mtompset     YAY! I guessed that already. ;)
13:33 mib_sdkm9v   thats why one direct to somewhere and the other is directing to somewhere else
13:33 eythian      (or similar)
13:33 eythian      ah, so you have a reverse proxy that's not set up right?
13:33 mib_sdkm9v   different servers
13:32 mib_sdkm9v   i think the problem is the domain is hosted by 2 servers
13:32 mib_sdkm9v   listen to me for a sec
13:32 mtompset     (as libraryadmin)
13:32 mib_sdkm9v   thats because ppl are working on it
13:32 mtompset     Same site under maintenance message.
13:31 mib_sdkm9v   i think i know why its  like that
13:31 mtompset     Oh shoot.... www.koyauniversity.org is down.
13:31 mib_sdkm9v   hmmmm
13:31 eythian      also terrifically insecure
13:31 mib_sdkm9v   damn odd -_-
13:31 mtompset     Yes, that is truly bizarre.
13:30 eythian      that is really quite odd
13:30 eythian      oh, I get something different from library and libraryadmin
13:29 mib_sdkm9v   i have an idea
13:29 pastebot     "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Part of what I see when I go to http://library.koyauniversity.org/" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/88
13:29 mib_sdkm9v   wait please
13:29 wahanui      Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
13:29 eythian      germs?
13:29 wahanui      rumour has it paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
13:29 mtompset     paste?
13:28 mtompset     I got a parallels page.
13:28 eythian      minor difference, but maybe useful when debugging
13:28 eythian      OK, fwiw that's not a redirect, that's apache serving it up under that name.
13:27 mib_sdkm9v   yes thats it
13:27 eythian      maybe your internal DNS is doing something different
13:27 eythian      Koya University's new web site is currently under construction. Thank you for your patience.
13:27 eythian      I actually get: Site under maintenance
13:27 mib_sdkm9v   but if it changed why it get directed to our site right?
13:26 mtompset     I see the same as you, eythian.
13:26 mib_sdkm9v   maybe
13:26 eythian      If you've changed it within the past 4 hours or so, I could be seeing an old version
13:25 mib_sdkm9v   but now its on a new server with a new ip address
13:25 mib_sdkm9v   which is the ip you got
13:25 wahanui      i already had it that way, eythian.
13:25 eythian      koyauniversity.org has address 69.64.90.112
13:25 eythian      libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org is an alias for koyauniversity.org.
13:25 eythian      $ host libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
13:25 mib_sdkm9v   that domain was hosted on another server
13:25 mib_sdkm9v   let me make it clear
13:25 mib_sdkm9v   oh God
13:24 mib_sdkm9v   where did you get that its not that
13:24 mib_sdkm9v   ifconfig*
13:24 mib_sdkm9v   the ipconfig output and the library.koyauniversity.org are the same
13:22 eythian      69.64.90.112, specifically
13:22 eythian      it still has an IP address
13:22 mib_sdkm9v   library.koyauniversity.org is a subdomain
13:22 mtompset     perhaps there is some bizarre reverse proxy that needs to know about it.
13:21 mtompset     does the ip address of ifconfig match the ip address of library.koyauniversity.org?
13:21 eythian      the DNS looks OK
13:21 eythian      I don't think it is
13:20 mib_sdkm9v   it must be a dns problem
13:20 mib_sdkm9v   hhhhhhh everything looks good guys
13:20 eythian      :)
13:20 * mtompset   laughs, "We're agreeing in a bizarre way."
13:19 mtompset     Right.
13:19 eythian      No
13:19 mtompset     But NameVirtualHost shouldn't be commented out, should it?
13:19 eythian      or similar
13:19 eythian      I just have, e.g. NameVirtualHost *:80
13:19 eythian      I don't think you need to do that
13:19 mib_sdkm9v   a sec
13:18 mtompset     Are the named hosts in ports.conf?
13:18 mib_sdkm9v   yup -_-
13:18 eythian      a good question.
13:18 mtompset     Did you restart apache2?
13:17 mib_sdkm9v   :/ everything looks good there
13:16 eythian      that's why they're virtual hosts :)
13:16 eythian      that's normal
13:16 mib_sdkm9v   which is 80
13:16 mib_sdkm9v   the virtual host and the intranet (admin panal) are on the same port
13:16 eythian      the second one should say "ServerName libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org" or similar
13:16 mib_sdkm9v   i found something
13:15 mib_sdkm9v   i know
13:15 mtompset     Oops...
13:15 mib_sdkm9v   yes
13:15 mtompset     ls
13:15 eythian      it should have two virtualhost entries
13:15 eythian      it should be inside that file
13:15 mib_sdkm9v   dose adminlibrary need to be there too
13:15 mtompset     which is the same as sites-enabled.
13:15 mib_sdkm9v   is the sites available there is library
13:14 mib_sdkm9v   another question
13:13 mtompset     mine is?
13:13 eythian      yeah
13:13 mib_sdkm9v   is it supposed to be empty?
13:13 eythian      the problem is that it's caused by something that's specific to your configuration
13:12 mib_sdkm9v   hey the httpd.conf file
13:12 mib_sdkm9v   but which one has the problem ...looks like no one knows
13:12 mib_sdkm9v   no no i can find the files
13:12 jcamins      mtompset: without knowing what the problem is, it would be problematic.
13:11 eythian      http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html <-- this kind of thing may be useful
13:11 mtompset     Isn't there a grep to help?
13:11 mib_sdkm9v   i must check them all
13:11 mib_sdkm9v   hhhhh damn -_-
13:11 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: we could have no possible idea
13:11 eythian      yeah, fair enough
13:10 mib_sdkm9v   ?
13:10 mib_sdkm9v   which .conf exactly
13:10 jcamins      eythian: nor have I. However, right now www and koha are on the same box. I foresee fun times in a year when things are rearchitected, and the website gets moved without the CNAMEs being updated.
13:10 eythian      also, it's not the DNS issue here, I think it's an apache config thing
13:09 mib_sdkm9v   jcamins i think its the way its working
13:09 eythian      I've never had problems with CNAMEs
13:09 mib_sdkm9v   hhhhhhhhh
13:09 * jcamins    would probably switch the DNS to A records... easier to troubleshoot.
13:09 eythian      or just make everybody move to IPv6 so it was no longer an issue :)
13:09 mib_sdkm9v   -_- more work
13:08 eythian      I think I'd probably make the gateway a reverse proxy so I could split servers up behind it in that situation.
13:08 mib_sdkm9v   and one dedicated ip address
13:07 mib_sdkm9v   everything on one server
13:07 eythian      heh OK, not your fault then :)
13:07 mib_sdkm9v   well thats how is it
13:07 mib_sdkm9v   i well i dont know i just started working on this server 10 mins ago
13:07 jcamins      eythian: ah, missed that part.
13:07 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: that's a fairly bad idea, in general.
13:06 eythian      jcamins: the koha stuff is a CNAME
13:06 jcamins      mib_sdkm9v: are you are using A records for all the DNS?
13:06 mib_sdkm9v   you get me>?
13:06 mib_sdkm9v   and the dns which handle them is on the same server
13:05 eythian      it makes no difference really
13:04 mib_sdkm9v   i know but editing from the files and not the shorts
13:04 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: they're both the same file
13:04 jcamins      mib_sdkm9v: it's the same file.
13:04 eythian      cool, I usually find when that happens that I've done something silly with my virtual host config
13:03 mib_sdkm9v   right?
13:03 mib_sdkm9v   editing the file been shortcut to sites-available is better
13:02 mib_sdkm9v   yes i know i installed many git versions before without any problem  its a server problem
13:01 eythian      you will have /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library and that contains the config generated for koha
13:01 mib_sdkm9v   and there is only one ip which is koyauniversity.org's one
13:00 eythian      in that case, you'll have to have a look at your apache configuration to see how it needs to change
13:00 mib_sdkm9v   well its on the same server
13:00 mib_sdkm9v   yes
13:00 eythian      Most people put it on a different server
13:00 eythian      ah, then the DNS is correct.
13:00 mib_sdkm9v   yes its on the same server
12:59 eythian      as in, it's supposed to be on the same server that hosts www.koyauniversity.org as well?
12:59 mib_sdkm9v   -_-
12:59 mib_sdkm9v   yup
12:59 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: ohh
12:59 mib_sdkm9v   you get me
12:59 mib_sdkm9v   the koha is on the same server which handle everything
12:58 mtompset     Okay... so do I leave domain blank on the initial install, or do I take a wild guess at where I will be hosted?
12:58 mib_sdkm9v   but just so you knwo
12:58 eythian      cool
12:57 mib_sdkm9v   got it ;)
12:57 mib_sdkm9v   aha
12:57 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: it tells you your IP address. You put that IP address into the system that runs your DNS in order to point the right domain names at the koha system.
12:55 mib_sdkm9v   so i got ifconfig after that what
12:55 magnuse      best-practices++
12:55 eythian      I think erring towards a best-practices setup is the best idea.
12:55 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: use 'ifconfig' to find that out, it'll tell you your IP address.
12:55 mtompset     Hmmm... I can see your point.
12:54 eythian      which is the sort of thing people want to do.
12:54 eythian      mtompset: the problem is that if you want to take your locally setup box and make it work on a LAN, it's now more work.
12:54 mtompset     Yes, I know how to do it, but it's a pain.
12:54 mib_sdkm9v   and my koha box is>?
12:54 mib_sdkm9v   they are defined there cuz your are on a localhost
12:53 mtompset     less edit'ing good.
12:53 eythian      in that case, however you've set up the DNS entry for library. and libaryadmin., you'll have to change them to point to your koha box
12:53 mtompset     yes, but then you get into the editor wars.
12:53 eythian      mtompset: I'm running in a local host VM environment. My hostnames are 'koha' and 'koha-intra', and they're defined in /etc/hosts
12:53 mib_sdkm9v   :/
12:53 mib_sdkm9v   i am my network administrator its my own
12:52 mib_sdkm9v   i want to fix the DNS
12:52 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: we can't guide you in that, it's up to your network administrators to do so.
12:52 mib_sdkm9v   nope
12:52 mib_sdkm9v   to fix the dns problem
12:52 mib_sdkm9v   im not quite femiliar with cpanal if there is anything i can do in terminal tell me
12:51 eythian      is it easier for you to fix your DNS now, or do you want something that'll make it go now?
12:51 eythian      it depends
12:51 eythian      well
12:51 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: nothing
12:50 mib_sdkm9v   so what i do with the host file
12:50 mtompset     particularly since the ip address is dynamic.
12:50 mtompset     Yes, but I'm running in a local host VM environment. I don't want named hosts. I know the ip address of the machine and will be going to it.
12:49 eythian      which means that as soon as they get DNS set up, it will work.
12:49 eythian      mtompset: in that case, I would suggest that they use their /etc/hosts file to set it up
12:48 eythian      definitely a DNS problem
12:48 eythian      www.koyauniversity.org has address 69.64.90.112
12:48 eythian      koyauniversity.org has address 69.64.90.112
12:48 eythian      libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org is an alias for koyauniversity.org.
12:48 eythian      mib_sdkm9v:
12:48 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: most likely
12:48 mtompset     Yes, but inevitably, someone is going to ask, what if I don't have a named host?
12:48 mib_sdkm9v   dns problems right?
12:47 mib_sdkm9v   hmm when i enter libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org it gets directed to www.koyauniversity.org
12:47 eythian      I want to have a limited amount of options on here
12:47 eythian      I was thinking that would be better off on another page
12:46 mtompset     I would have left the localhost version in.
12:46 eythian      yeah
12:46 wahanui      packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:46 mtompset     packages
12:46 wahanui      hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
12:46 mtompset     debian?
12:46 eythian      (my problem is I know how it all works too deeply)
12:45 eythian      mtompset: can you have a glance over that page and see if it's clearer for you now?
12:44 jcamins      If you run into an excellent seafood restaurant, let me know 'cause Shari and I would like to go back. ;)
12:44 mib_sdkm9v   ok very good
12:44 mtompset     That is fine, mib_sdkm9v
12:44 mtompset     Yes.
12:44 jcamins      There is a very good sea food restaurant in LIC. Don't know exactly where, though, or what it's called, so...
12:44 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: that looks OK to me
12:43 mtompset     This is what I pasted before for koyauni.
12:43 pastebot     "mib_sdkm9v" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-sites.conf" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/87
12:43 mtompset     http://paste.koha-community.org/85
12:43 nengard      I use tripit to track work travel :)
12:43 nengard      and then home
12:43 nengard      Just going to teach them all about wordpress for the day
12:43 liw          eythian, *nod*
12:43 jcamins      Use paste.koha-community.org
12:43 nengard      LOL
12:43 mib_sdkm9v   9 lines exactly
12:43 jcamins      nengard: Long Island City? Not exactly a hopping vacation spot. :)
12:42 eythian      liw: I want to make debconf build that file at some stage.
12:42 wahanui      i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
12:42 eythian      wahanui: paste
12:42 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: if it's a couple of lines, yes. Otherwise use pastebin
12:42 mib_sdkm9v   of koha-sites.conf
12:42 eythian      liw: fixed, ta
12:42 mib_sdkm9v   can ai past a out put here
12:41 liw          eythian, "OPACSUFFIX=""  # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name." -- s/Prefix/Suffix/ ?
12:40 mib_sdkm9v   thank you
12:40 eythian      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze#Quick_Start <-- this is now hopefully less confusing
12:36 mib_sdkm9v   ok :)
12:36 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: wait one moment
12:36 mib_sdkm9v   mtompset...eythian what should i do to finish the installation ? :)
12:36 eythian      the problem you end up with though is that you can't pick a configuration that'll work for many people all that easily
12:35 eythian      mtompset: it's on my "want to fix" list
12:35 jcamins      We should probably remove it, I suppose.
12:35 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work
12:35 mtompset     By the way, does the koha package still exist? Is bug 5071 ever going to get fixed?
12:34 drojf        ah ok. i only used it with a database that i just created  in the koha-create command and that did not seem to be a problem. but then i did not really see what it would be useful for
12:34 eythian      drojf: it can be used to let you define the password yourself, but that's not something that's necessary.
12:33 mtompset     No need to try to set your own password.
12:33 mtompset     You only need to log into koha ONCE as the default user.
12:33 jcamins      drojf: it lets you share a database between multiple instances.
12:32 drojf        i dont know what advanced things it would do, i thought its just to set your password yourself
12:32 mtompset     I thought it was necessary as part of transplanting our DB into packages... it isn't.
12:32 eythian      for example
12:32 eythian      I've never ever used it.
12:31 eythian      drojf: it's totally and completely unnecessary unless you are doing advanced things
12:31 jcamins      drojf: it confuses people.
12:31 koyauni      sorry I have to go, many thanks for your time
12:31 koyauni      I will be back in 2 hrs and check again
12:31 mtompset     eythian is cleaning up the instructions, so please slow down, mib_sdkm9v.
12:31 koyauni      ok I remove it
12:31 * drojf      is confused now
12:31 drojf        what is wrong with that file?
12:31 eythian      koyauni: also, why have you gone backwards through the process?
12:30 koyauni      :( so no step thing
12:30 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: yep, deleting it is fine
12:30 eythian      koyauni: the password file doesn't need to exist at all
12:30 mib_sdkm9v   right?
12:30 koyauni      so in my case that file of passwd should contain instancename:username:password:library
12:30 mib_sdkm9v   then i delete the passwd file
12:30 mtompset     Stop doing steps.
12:30 mib_sdkm9v   ok
12:30 mtompset     mib_sdkm9v: Don't follow that step.
12:29 mtompset     Trust me,... I had the pleasure of figuring that out lately.
12:29 mib_sdkm9v   instance=library......databasename=what ever database we use
12:29 mtompset     you don't need it.
12:29 eythian      no.
12:29 mtompset     NO!
12:29 koyauni      is this correct instancename:username:password:databasename
12:29 eythian      in about 3 minutes it'll be deleted
12:29 eythian      mib_sdkm9v: you should ignore that step
12:29 eythian      There are so many possible configurations that it's hard to know what someone wants.
12:28 mtompset     I cleaned up the tarball install instructions for Ubuntu, and someone complained I didn't explain how to set up a memcached server.
12:28 mib_sdkm9v   instancename:username:password:databasename
12:28 mib_sdkm9v   hey i take over for koyauni
12:28 eythian      koyauni: the problem is installing a server application onto a server operating system when you don't know how servers work properly. That's like saying it should be dummy-proof to add a room onto your house when you don't know anything about building.
12:27 mtompset     So dummy proof is extremely hard to get.
12:27 mtompset     Sadly, koyauni, there is a better dummy born every minute.
12:26 koyauni      it need to be consistence references to element in this process. it need to be dummy prove !
12:26 liw          not having many steps to install is best
12:26 mtompset     If it was a graphical install, then most certainly, but terminal commands... just formatted text.
12:26 * mtompset   grins, "Yes, it's sort of silly to have a screen shot."
12:25 eythian      koyauni: screenshots of terminal commands are hard to copy-paste :)
12:25 koyauni      I think screenshots are best
12:24 mtompset     And add a comment about the name after --create-db is linked to the subdomain.
12:24 eythian      It's tripped a few people up
12:24 eythian      though right now, I'm going to remove that stuff about the passwd and existing database and such.
12:23 eythian      Well, I want to make it a bit more step-by-step really. And maybe link to optional things
12:23 mtompset     It needs a couple things cut and added, but not much.
12:23 mtompset     It generally is pretty good.
12:23 mtompset     I don't think it needs a start from scratch rewrite.
12:22 eythian      cool. All going well, it might be working now.
12:21 koyauni      I did that now
12:20 eythian      I've been putting it off a bit because I know it needs a start-from-scratch rewrite
12:20 eythian      Not with that in mind
12:20 julian_m     :)
12:20 mtompset     But you did edit it after. You didn't read the whole page? ;)
12:19 mtompset     Yes, it was Narcisgarcia. April 25.
12:18 jcamins      julian_m++
12:18 eythian      and not in the standard instructions
12:17 eythian      Using an existing db should be considered advanced
12:17 eythian      but not obvious enough
12:17 eythian      I didn't add anything to do with the passwd stuff, I have changed it to make it more obvious that it's optional
12:16 mtompset     Unless you are talking about Narcisgarcia's April 25-26 stint.
12:15 mtompset     May 13-August 9... you made changes, eythian
12:15 mtompset     That would be you. :P
12:14 eythian      oh, someone's edited that page and made things more confusing
12:14 koyauni      ok, lets do this then
12:14 eythian      yeah
12:13 koyauni      domain
12:13 koyauni      yes, so db should be the same as subdoamin
12:13 mtompset     yes, because you want library.koyauniversity.org
12:13 koyauni      it has to be that then
12:13 mtompset     yes
12:13 koyauni      sudo koha-create --create-db library
12:13 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot library
12:13 magnuse      wahanui: forget library
12:13 mtompset     sudo koha-create --create-db library
12:12 wahanui      library is given the option, via the "/" of whether or not to be that specific in their own classification of the book.
12:12 mtompset     library.
12:12 mtompset     NO.
12:12 mtompset     Your case you want .....
12:12 koyauni      sudo koha-create --create-db mykohaLibrary
12:12 mtompset     biblio is AN EXAMPLE.
12:12 koyauni      ohh that is from wiki instruction page
12:12 drojf        because its in the example…
12:12 mtompset     koyauni: I told you use library, because you want library.koyauniversity.org
12:11 eythian      why do you keep doing that?
12:11 koyauni      or it is now done! and way back
12:11 eythian      where does biblio come from?
12:11 eythian      no
12:11 koyauni      and do this now sudo koha-create --create-db biblio
12:11 eythian      yeah
12:11 mtompset     What is it? koha-remove?
12:10 koyauni      can I reverse that step
12:10 koyauni      :)
12:10 jcamins      koyauni: yes. You are inexperienced with Linux, but you're trying to do something no one else has done.
12:10 koyauni      ok, I can do it that way
12:10 * mtompset   nods, "Been there. Done than. Doomed ideas that is."
12:09 eythian      that's a bad idea doomed to failure
12:09 eythian      you're trying to make shortcuts when you don't really know the way
12:09 koyauni      does it make any different
12:09 eythian      that would make a lot more sense
12:08 koyauni      thsi is a new server and DNS still point to the old server
12:08 jcamins      koyauni: didn't rangi suggest using koha-create to create the database and then setting up Plesk to do the automatic backup?
12:08 wahanui      packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:08 mtompset     packages?
12:08 mtompset     Pulling up the page
12:08 mtompset     well... let's see...
12:08 koyauni      ok, so I do not need to do anything else then
12:08 mtompset     and libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
12:07 mtompset     that way it sets up for library.koyauniversity.org
12:07 koyauni      and it was fine
12:07 mtompset     well 'library' was what you were supposed to use. :)
12:06 koyauni      I did run sudo koha-create --use-db myDB
12:06 koyauni      but the DB is created in Plesk and then I can have auto backup on that DB via Plesk
12:06 mtompset     okay... So, you haven't run the koha-create yet?
12:06 koyauni      no thsi is just empty DB
12:05 koyauni      it world not work
12:05 mtompset     taking my data from another system and putting it into the packages version.
12:05 mtompset     Okay... I just did this the other day.
12:05 koyauni      and created a passwd file as well
12:05 mtompset     no no no...
12:04 koyauni      I have done up to sudo koha-create --use-db biblio where I force the installation to use our DB
12:04 koyauni      I was doing what every father does, feeding my child :)
12:04 koyauni      sorry guys,
12:01 nengard      :)
12:00 mtompset     Greetings, jcamins jwagner nengard and sophie_m
11:49 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8572 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Attempting to view an invalid authority in the OPAC gives an error instead of 404
11:49 jenkins_koha jcamins: Bug 8572: invalid auth shouldn't cause error
11:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #129: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/129/
11:48 drojf        hi jcamins
11:34 jcamins      Good morning, #koha.
10:47 * mtompset   wanders off for a meal called supper.
10:46 * mtompset   doesn't  know. Sorry. I'm still pretty new to the community.
10:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #129 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8590 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , checked out from missing on patron detail
10:44 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8590 - checked out from missing on patron detail
10:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #128: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/128/
10:37 itachi       aha ok can you lead me to someone knows about those stuff
10:37 mtompset     That sounds like a librarian type question. Sorry, I don't know.
10:35 itachi       how do you start sorting them in shelves ?
10:34 itachi       ok so after you have everything ready i mean the records and they all have Call Number and Control number
10:34 mtompset     Seeing, as koyauni has gone quiet, why not? :)
10:33 itachi       can i ask a question about managing the system? i mean koha
10:29 mtompset     you can get multiple sites with packages, you can't with tarballs and gits.
10:28 mtompset     Yes, that is yet another advantage of packages... easy site management.
10:27 eythian      for example, running koha-create again is possible and will do something sensible, running make install won't
10:27 mtompset     but the the latter requires a bunch of linking.
10:27 eythian      I won't conflate them, semantically and what they do is almost totally different.
10:27 mtompset     the koha-create step is kind of like the sudo make install.
10:26 mtompset     sort of.
10:25 mtompset     But then it rejoins for some apache2 stuff...
10:25 eythian      yeah
10:25 mtompset     It's when you do the install koha-common vs. building... that's when it deviates.
10:24 mtompset     technically, the install mysql-server step could be combined with the tarball's dselect steps.
10:23 mtompset     Because the pre-install stuff is the same for all three: add repo, apt-get update, upgrade
10:22 eythian      I want to get more of it automated eventually
10:21 mtompset     I'm still pondering the install process how to better synchronize the tarball, git, and packages install instructions.
10:20 eythian      or put somewhere else
10:20 eythian      yeah, that passwd thing needs to be removed.
10:20 mtompset     He's got the sudo a2enmod rewrite, sudo apt-get install mysql-server first.
10:19 eythian      I was making sure he didn't go and do it now because it would fail and cause an annoying situation to fix.
10:19 mtompset     Oh, an koyauni --- ignore that /etc/koha/passwd thing... it is a confusing comment for power user setups.
10:18 mtompset     I know not yet... he's got a couple steps before that.
10:18 eythian      also with no . at the end when the time comes
10:18 eythian      not yet
10:18 eythian      no
10:18 mtompset     sudo koha-create --create-db library.
10:18 eythian      yeah, more or less
10:17 eythian      in koyauni's case, he'd want to do 'koha-create --create-db library' (later on, not now, work through the steps first, don't jump ahead)
10:17 mtompset     Ah, okay... so his koha-create command will be koha-create library?
10:17 eythian      mtompset: the hostname is the name you give to koha-create
10:16 koyauni      the host name is the same as the main domain]
10:16 mtompset     I'm assuming it will ask for the hostname part, eythian? Or is it going to grab it from the machinename?
10:15 koyauni      yes
10:15 mtompset     I assumed you were using Marc21 and EN.
10:15 pastebot     "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What your file should look like." (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/85
10:14 wahanui      i guess paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org
10:14 mtompset     paste?
10:14 mtompset     Hmm.... should have pastebin'd that.
10:14 mtompset     ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en"  # Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb'
10:14 mtompset     ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21"  # Specifies format of MARC records to be indexed by Zebra. Possible values are 'marc21', 'normarc' and 'unimarc'
10:14 mtompset     OPACSUFFIX=""  # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset     OPACPREFIX=""  # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset     OPACPORT="80"  # TCP listening port for the users' interface
10:14 mtompset     DEFAULTSQL=""  # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database
10:14 mtompset     INTRASUFFIX="admin"  # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset     INTRAPREFIX=""  # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:14 mtompset     INTRAPORT="80"  # TCP listening port for the administration interface
10:14 mtompset     DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org"  # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string.
10:14 koyauni      OPACSUFFIX=""
10:14 koyauni      like this
10:13 koyauni      ok
10:11 mtompset     Yes.
10:11 eythian      yes
10:11 koyauni      ok I leave those blank then
10:10 eythian      this is why Koha can't be set up like drupal, drupal doesn't need multiple interfaces to one application like this.
10:10 mtompset     SAMPLElibraryEXAMPLE.koyauniversity.org
10:10 mtompset     OPACSUFFIX="EXAMPLE" means
10:09 eythian      OPAC is Online Public Access Catalog, this is not your staff client.
10:09 mtompset     means SAMPLElibrary.koyauniversity.org
10:09 mtompset     OPACPREFIX="SAMPLE"
10:09 itachi       leaving it means 80 and nothing will show up after.org
10:09 mtompset     No... blank.
10:08 koyauni      OPACPREFIX="libraryadmin"
10:08 koyauni      so libraryadmin then
10:08 mtompset     No, leave the OPACPREFIX and OPACSUFFIX blank.
10:08 itachi       yes
10:08 eythian      if you do that you'll end up with "librarylibrary"
10:08 mtompset     OPAC is the user client.
10:08 eythian      that's a prefix, that's not the name
10:08 itachi       no thats the users interface be careful
10:08 eythian      no
10:08 koyauni      OPACPREFIX="library"
10:08 mtompset     Yes, what eythian said.
10:08 eythian      normally you'd want port 80.
10:08 mtompset     no, because OPAC is NOT the staff client.
10:08 koyauni      OPACPORT="8080"
10:07 wahanui      Of course!
10:07 eythian      really?
10:07 koyauni      is ok then
10:07 koyauni      8080
10:07 koyauni      ok
10:07 mtompset     if you wanted library.koyauniversity.org:12345 ... you'd put 12345 as the port.
10:07 koyauni      it did not ask me
10:07 mtompset     You could have it on a different port.
10:06 koyauni      what is OPACPORT=""
10:06 mtompset     yes.
10:06 * eythian    really needs to make it ask these questions at install time.
10:06 koyauni      INTRAPREFIX=""
10:06 mtompset     right.
10:06 koyauni      INTRASUFFIX="admin"
10:06 eythian      the "next one" is INTRASUFFIX, yes?
10:05 mtompset     Yes.
10:05 koyauni      and next one "admin"
10:05 koyauni      oh I left the INTRAPREFIX empty
10:05 mtompset     and library.kohauniversity.org for OPAC.
10:05 mtompset     that will give the staff client libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
10:05 koyauni      yes,
10:05 eythian      koyauni: right, you just do what makes sense there, which is the way mtompset is explaining it.
10:04 mtompset     and put INTRASUFFIX="admin"
10:04 mtompset     leave INTRAPREFIX=""
10:04 mtompset     Oops... I made a typo.
10:04 koyauni      thats where I stock
10:04 wahanui      i heard INTRASUFFIX was so you can put -admin or something as the suffix on the name of the staff client
10:04 eythian      and INTRASUFFIX
10:04 eythian      INTRAPREFIX
10:04 mtompset     that will map like you have said.
10:04 mtompset     and put INTRANETSUFFIX="admin"
10:03 mtompset     leave INTRANETPREFIX=""
10:03 eythian      yes
10:03 eythian      good point
10:03 eythian      oh
10:03 mtompset     wait, wouldn't that be SUFFIX not PREFIX?
10:02 eythian      then that's what you want
10:02 eythian      yep
10:02 koyauni      and admin as libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org
10:02 koyauni      I have one user URL as library.koyauniversity.org
10:01 koyauni      3rd , INTRAPREFIX="admin"  # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name.
10:01 eythian      sure
10:01 koyauni      INTRAPORT="80"  # TCP listening port for the administration interface
10:01 koyauni      2nd one I left it as it is
10:01 * mtompset   nods.
10:01 eythian      seems fine
10:01 koyauni      DOMAIN=".koyauniversity.org"  # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string.
10:01 koyauni      first line I did
10:00 koyauni      I mean put the pack in on folder and do web based config that it with Drupal,
10:00 eythian      if you're stuck on one of them, you should ask about it.
10:00 mtompset     koha is way easier than drupal... well, I did do drupal on an RPM-based OS.
09:59 eythian      what you write depends on your setup. It has explanations for each of the options.
09:59 koyauni      I wish one day Koha become as easy as installing Drupal
09:59 koyauni      just need help with that ,conf file what I actually need to write
09:58 mtompset     everything is assembled, and it comes with handy-dandy scripts to boot.
09:58 mtompset     packages is pre-built for the user.
09:58 koyauni      I am basic user in Linus and new to Koha
09:57 itachi       thank you.....what is the difference between those two kind of installation
09:57 drojf        koyauni: yes, continue with that, it is what you want
09:57 mtompset     koyauni is doing a packages install, which is correct.
09:57 wahanui      If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball.
09:57 mtompset     which install to use?
09:57 wahanui      The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
09:57 mtompset     tarball?
09:57 koyauni      I do not want to get lost between different installation
09:57 wahanui      i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
09:57 mtompset     git?
09:57 wahanui      i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
09:57 mtompset     packages?
09:57 koyauni      I would rather follow the one on wiki as I have done most of it,
09:57 mtompset     There are three ways to install Koha.
09:56 eythian      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- right there
09:55 itachi       well can you please give me a link for a guide on how to install koha on debian
09:52 drojf        and spend a lot more time on your installation than necessary
09:51 eythian      (unless you specifically want a git install)
09:51 eythian      no, don't
09:49 itachi       hey follow this to install koha on debian http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;hb=HEAD
09:49 eythian      you'll have to ask a question though, or we can't really help you.
09:48 koyauni      that is why I am stock :(
09:47 eythian      (mostly in that if you mix them up, stuff won't work)
09:47 eythian      that's .conf, there's a difference :)
09:47 koyauni      in this file /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
09:47 koyauni      there is in here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:45 drojf        koyauni: it would help if you could ask a concrete question
09:45 eythian      There is no .config file...you'll have to give more information.
09:44 koyauni      yes .config file
09:42 drojf        wow, external harddisks are still ridiculously expensive. when was that flood when prices went up? a year ago? yeah for collusive pricing
09:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #128 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
09:37 eythian      Where is "the middle"?
09:33 koyauni      I am stock in the middle is there anyone who can guid me please
09:33 koyauni      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
09:33 koyauni      hi guys, I am new to Koha and I have used this to install it on my Debian dedicated server
09:26 mtompset     YAY! a 16% point drop. Hopefully my colleagues won't be flooded out of the office much longer.
09:25 huginn       mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 28.0°C (5:00 PM PHT on August 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
09:25 mtompset     @wunder MNL
09:25 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.4°C (11:12 AM CEST on August 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
09:25 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
09:24 mtompset     Lost internet connectivity for a while due to flooding in the local vicinity.
09:23 mtompset     Yes, that's about right. :)
09:23 wahanui      hmmm... mtompset is currently in the Philippines and is coding up a bash script storm in the midst of seasonal typhoons.
09:23 drojf        hey mtompset
09:20 mtompset     Greetings, drojf
09:07 mtompset     Perhaps it resonates at 52Hz... that's touching.
09:06 drojf        hey kf and eythian
09:06 eythian      hi drojf
09:06 kf           morning drojf
09:06 eythian      (that last one really is the saddest thing, too)
09:05 drojf        hi #koha
09:03 wahanui      the saddest thing is, like, http://ur1.ca/9x67k
09:03 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 eythian      ?!
09:03 wahanui      ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui      ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui      ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui      ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:03 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:03 wahanui      okay, eythian.
09:03 eythian      no wahanui, the saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW|http://ur1.ca/9x67k
09:03 wahanui      ...but saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW...
09:03 eythian      wahanui: the saddest thing is <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW|http://ur1.ca/9x67k
09:02 wahanui      eythian: the saddest thing =is= <reply>⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:02 eythian      wahanui: literal the saddest thing
09:02 eythian      heh
09:02 wahanui      U+26C4 is, like, the unicode for SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:02 mtompset     U+26C4?
09:02 mtompset     U+26C4
09:02 eythian      maybe length of the right-hand side (just a guess)
09:01 eythian      I'm not sure the criteria
09:01 eythian      kf: I don't think he learns everything
09:01 mtompset     Yes, that is not useful.
09:01 eythian      mtompset: U+26C4 is the unicode for SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:00 kf           ok.. wouldn't be very useful :)
09:00 kf           not learning!
09:00 kf           something?
09:00 kf           something is something
09:00 kf           something?
09:00 mtompset     What is U+26C4?
09:00 wahanui      ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
09:00 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
09:00 eythian      oops
09:00 eythian      kf: they still do work. It was "what" that was causing the issue
08:59 eythian      kf: they still do work. It was "what" that was causing the issue
08:59 mtompset     Nice.
08:59 kf           eythian: yeah, but is/are used to work?
08:59 wahanui      ⛄ U+26C4 SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW
08:59 eythian      wahanui: what is the saddest thing?
08:59 wahanui      standards are what you use to hold up a fence.
08:59 mtompset     standards?
08:59 wahanui      RDA is, like, a room in a twisty maze of standards
08:59 mtompset     RDA?
08:59 eythian      oh, no. It's just his grammar is a bit ... odd.
08:59 wahanui      standards are what you use to hold up a fence.
08:59 mtompset     standards?
08:59 kf           weather in Germany?
08:59 kf           weather in germany is nice today
08:59 kf           I noticed he has some problemswith learning new facts lately
08:58 kf           lol
08:57 eythian      finally
08:57 eythian      there we go
08:57 wahanui      OK, eythian.
08:57 eythian      wahanui: standards are \what \you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 wahanui      ...but standard is not so practical for that...
08:56 eythian      wahanui: standard is \what \you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 eythian      ?!
08:56 wahanui      i don't know, eythian
08:56 eythian      wahanui: standard is what \you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 wahanui      eythian: bugger all, i dunno
08:56 eythian      wahanui: standard is what you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 wahanui      i haven't a clue, eythian
08:56 eythian      wahanui: a standard is what you use to hold up a fence.
08:56 mtompset     Well, that was a nice dead-end. :(
08:55 mtompset     standards?
08:55 wahanui      RDA is probably a room in a twisty maze of standards
08:55 mtompset     RDA?
08:42 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @NewWorldLibrary @kohails @OverDriveLibs"
08:30 huginn       eythian: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
08:30 eythian      huginn: you have news for me?
08:22 kf           woohoo :) rangi++
08:16 magnuse      woohoo!
07:59 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7560 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , SIP Self Checkout Ignoring Fines Thresholds for Not Being able to Check Out Books
07:59 rangi        actualy bug 7560 seems to work fine
07:52 kf           rangi: yeah, only never have used telnet so far :) and not sure where to cut and paste from - but I knwo it can be done. only not figured out the specifics yet :)
07:51 magnuse      ah, cool blog post!
07:50 rangi        telnet and cut and paste :)
07:50 rangi        kf: you can actually test sip with telnet
07:49 rangi        http://findingheroes.co.nz/2012/03/30/open-source-ils-much-bigger-than-you-think/
07:49 rangi        yep
07:49 kf           rangi: didn't you do a blog post about big libraries? :)
07:48 magnuse      would a page of "large koha installations" on the wiki be a good idea?
07:48 hdl          magnuse: nevermind: seems broken
07:48 rangi        http://catalog.pisd.edu/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
07:47 rangi        67 schools
07:46 wahanui      magnuse: sorry...
07:46 magnuse      wahanui: that sounds promising
07:46 rangi        plano is big
07:46 wahanui      somebody said the number was right
07:46 magnuse      hdl: do you know the number?
07:46 kf           simulators
07:45 kf           if you don't have the machine :)
07:45 hdl          It is the biggest one I know of
07:45 kf           there are programs to test SIP
07:45 magnuse      ah, ok
07:45 hdl          lots of items
07:45 hdl          magnuse: in order to cope wih SIP, you need the machine.
07:45 magnuse      hdl: speaking of lots of branches?
07:43 kf           there is also one for ldap
07:43 hdl          magnuse: http://granthalaya.org/
07:43 kf           still have not ifgured out how to test those
07:43 kf           yeah :(
07:43 * magnuse    hopes someone will take pity on the SIP patches that have been waiting a looong time...
07:42 magnuse      yay!
07:42 wahanui      dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
07:42 magnuse      dashboard?
07:37 kf           and he is already leading the dashboard :)
07:37 kf           oh wow
07:36 magnuse      in fact, for rangi gbsd is only 4.5 hours away!
07:35 magnuse      morning
07:35 rangi        evening
07:35 magnuse      w00t!
07:34 wahanui      well, next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 magnuse      next gbsd?
07:34 magnuse      next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 wahanui      magnuse: I forgot next gbsd
07:34 magnuse      wahanui: forget next gbsd
07:34 wahanui      next gbsd is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-02-08_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 magnuse      next gbsd?
07:34 magnuse      next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day
07:34 magnuse      woohoo!
07:30 kf           hey, have you heard? tomorrow is GBSD!
07:30 kf           morning magnuse :)
07:29 magnuse      guten morgen mveron and kf and kohakhan
07:29 kf           hi again #koha
07:12 mveron       :-)
07:12 mveron       good morning everybody
07:08 magnuse      bonjour gaetan_B
07:07 gaetan_B     hello
07:04 Judit        thanks
07:03 magnuse      i started a list here: http://libriotech.no/node/74
07:03 magnuse      Near East University Library has the number 1.500.000, but not sure that's records or items
07:02 magnuse      marshall breeding says they have 7131660 volumes, but they night not all be in koha
07:02 magnuse      maybe National Library of Venezuela: http://www.librarytechnology.org/lwc-displaylibrary.pl?RC=927
07:01 Judit        the biggest db?
07:00 Judit        hm
07:00 Judit        oh
07:00 magnuse      looks like 45 branches
06:59 magnuse      this is the biggest one i can think of off the top of my head: http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/
06:58 Judit        100?1000?
06:57 magnuse      good question :-)
06:57 Judit        what is the max at the moment out there
06:56 magnuse      not that i have heard of
06:55 Judit        i sthere a maximum number of branches koha can handle
06:48 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , $search = '0' or 0 will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
06:48 mtompset     I haven't had time to go look back at bug 8350.
06:48 mtompset     Perhaps the title is wrong, and it is a space?
06:48 mtompset     Sorry to hear that. -- I vaguely recall locking for just a ' ' in some search related issue I encountered.
06:47 julian_m     mtompset, network issues... what do you want to ask me?
06:47 * magnuse    waves
06:41 mtompset     ' '
06:41 mtompset     I vaguely remember in some search looking for space.
06:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , $search = '0' or 0 will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
06:41 mtompset     bug 8350
06:40 julian_m     hello mtompset
06:40 mtompset     I haven't had a chance to look at your feedback on the bug report yet.
06:40 mtompset     Greetings, julian_m
05:32 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
04:50 mtj          rangi++
04:31 cait         :)
04:30 mtj          (as my inkscape skills get better)
04:30 mtj          thanx, its a 'work in progress'
04:27 cait         mtj: I love your logo :)
04:24 rangi        http://jenkins.koha-community.org/user/mtj/?
04:24 mtj          hey cait
04:23 rangi        mtj: i started adding descriptions, ill keep doing that :)
04:23 cait         hi mtj :)
04:22 cait         good morning #koha
04:21 mtj          ah yep - i actually knew that (but then forgot it too)
04:17 rangi        so bartsimpson is gonna get some points when his patches are pushed :)
04:16 rangi        easiest way to get points, fix a failing test, or create new tests
04:16 rangi        heh, it only works on patches that improve the build (or don't break it)
04:16 mtj          s/ring/rig/
04:15 mtj          rangi,  nice :) can we ring it so i get points for qa-ing stuff?
04:13 rangi        mtj: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/?
04:09 rangi        yup, you can treat them the same
04:07 bartsimpson  rangi: is "text" the same as "varchar" when making mock data?
04:01 bartsimpson  hi :)
03:58 mtj          heya bart
03:41 mtj          i reckon too :)
03:40 rangi        yep, they work better up there i reckon
03:38 mtj          cart and lists moved up tha' top, etc...
03:37 mtj          [off] -> http://dev1.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=the
03:37 mtj          and... its quite similar-ish  to my opac theming attempts, too
03:36 rangi        yeah needs a few follow ups fixing translation issues but is pretty sweet
03:35 mtj          -> love
03:35 mtj          damn, i really that new opac look
03:31 mtj          handles a resize, real nice
03:30 rangi        (or just resize your browser to small)
03:29 rangi        peep that on your phone
03:29 rangi        http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ <-- got the mobile theme running
03:29 mtj          rangi be noes where i be cumin' from
03:28 mtj          pop a kinder-surprise thingy in them, use them for additional storage
03:28 rangi        heh
03:28 bag          do the goatee first then you can match the holes to that :)
03:27 bag          ha
03:27 mtj          i mean *really* big holes
03:26 mtj          i'm kinda thinking about growing a sweet goatee, and getting some big holes in my earlobes...
03:25 bag          yeah that's a funny show :)
03:25 mtj          bag , ive just 'discovered' portlandia -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nMnr8ZirI
03:21 bag          love it!
03:21 wahanui      DeM KraZy NutZ!!
03:21 bag          mtj?
00:04 mtj          hi Judit  :)
00:03 mtj          virtual one is already installed, already configured
00:03 Judit        morning
00:02 mtj          yep :)