Time  Nick             Message
00:45 dcook            Allo #koha
00:50 dcook            Does anyone know if BSort1 is actually connected in any way to anything?
01:05 * dcook          takes back his question
01:05 dcook            Since Sort 1 and Sort 2 show as empty text fields when there is nothing defined in the BSort1 or BSort2 fields, I never realized that they were actually connected!
01:06 dcook            And that drop-downs would be created if BSort1 and BSort2 were actually defined!
01:06 dcook            ^_^
02:19 NZICA            Hi all :)
02:19 NZICA            does anyone have 20 seconds to help with an SQL question?
02:20 rangi            probably not many around this time of the day, its late at night or early in the morning for most people
02:21 NZICA            Fair enough... didn't realise IRC users needed sleep >.>
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04:13 rangi            hi cait
04:14 cait             hi rangi
04:18 * dcook          waves to cait
04:18 cait             hi dcook :)
04:19 dcook            :)
06:00 cait             mveron++
06:18 marcelr          hi #koha
06:19 cait             hi marcelr :)
06:53 ala_3v0          I have this koha software error message when launching the staff interface from browser:
06:53 ala_3v0          Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 680. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/members/moremember.pl line 39. BEGIN failed--com
06:53 ala_3v0          that is part of it
06:53 ala_3v0          can anyone help
06:56 rangi            Does the early part say something about can't open koha-conf.xml ?
06:57 rangi            Chances are it's file permissions if so
06:58 rangi            You can paste the whole of the error at paste.koha-community.org
06:58 rangi            But now I have to out my children to bed
06:59 mveron           Hi #koha
07:00 ala_3v0          thanks rangi i'll try to paste it there
07:01 ala_3v0          what if I restore a backup sql file?
07:05 ala_3v0          http://mibpaste.com/lvFQLv
07:06 ala_3v0          The error message is on the link above
07:21 kf               good morning #koha :)
07:23 mveron           Hi kf
07:23 mveron           :-)
07:23 kf               hi mveron :)
07:27 gaetan_B         hello :)
07:29 rangi            hi kf mveron and gaetan_B
07:29 mveron           hi rangi
07:29 kf               please programmers, don't be too clever when constructing sentences in your templates... *sigh* (directed to noone special)
07:30 rangi            untranslatable strings?
07:30 kf               no
07:30 rangi            actually thats a good rule in general, don't try and be too clever
07:30 kf               sentences puzzled together with if constructs
07:30 rangi            be it in templates or in code
07:31 rangi            readable code > clever code
07:32 * kf             nods
07:34 * mveron         nods as well
07:36 * mbalmer        suppresses a comment about "readable" and "Perl"...
07:37 * kf             suppresses a comment about how you can write unreadable bad code in every language...
07:42 * mbalmer        points at http://www.ioccc.org/
07:45 * mveron         will file a bug to have better translatable text in: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools
07:48 kf               mveron++
07:49 mveron           And the file name:  koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/tools/picture-upload.tt
08:02 rangi            hmm thats not a very helpful answer
08:02 rangi            https://github.com/ssp/pazpar2-js-client/issues/1#issuecomment-7518531
08:03 * rangi          decides not to use code when the author doesnt know what license he has put it under
08:04 kf               probably safer
08:04 mveron           Bug 8573  - not sure to which component it should belong
08:04 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8573 normal, P3, ---, veron, NEW , Translation difficult in picture-upload.tt due to nested sentence in if/foreach/if/elsif - construction
08:05 kf               hm you could put it in i18n or templates
08:05 mveron           kf: Ok switched it to templates
08:06 kf               translate.koha... would be more used for a problem with pootle I think :)
08:38 rangi            hi eythian
08:38 jenkins_koha     Starting build #124 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:38 eythian          hiya
08:42 rangi            wow mail from may!
08:43 rangi            must have been stuck in a mail queue somewhere
08:56 kf               hi eythian :)
08:56 * kf             is counting days... :P
08:56 eythian          hello
08:56 eythian          heh
08:57 mveron           Hi eythian :-)
08:58 mveron           kf: Patch for Bug 8573 would need a critical eye...
08:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8573 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Translation difficult in picture-upload.tt due to nested sentence in if/foreach/if/elsif - construction
09:41 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_3.8.x build #124: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/124/
09:41 jenkins_koha     robin: Bug 8547 - JS error in star ratings breaks IE
09:41 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8547 major, P2, ---, robin, Passed QA , Enabling star ratings causes javascript errors that cause IE to have a boo boo
09:58 hdl              !later tell BobB creating koha-OZ lists today
09:59 hdl              @later tell BobB creating koha-OZ lists today
09:59 huginn           hdl: The operation succeeded.
10:00 kf               hdl: have you seen the request for an arabic list?
10:10 eythian          mveron: that's for that signoff on the stars things - it's a hard bug to reproduce sometimes.
10:16 eythian          mveron: *thanks* for that...
10:16 eythian          too early in the afternoon...
10:31 drojf            good day #koha
10:32 rangi            hi drojf
10:33 drojf            hey rangi
10:34 * gaetan_B       is again looking for a high res version of the koha logo...
10:39 gaetan_B         don't we have a more recent and better version than this one ? : http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/images/Koha-logo-black-and-white.jpg
10:41 gaetan_B         i thought the tagline was more like  'open-source integrated library system'
10:41 rangi            we have both
10:42 rangi            and thats only one of the logos
10:42 drojf            from june 17:
10:42 drojf            (11:50:02) mbalmer: I was asking slef about the availability of a vectorized Koha logo.
10:42 drojf            (11:50:23) slef: We will have one used on our banners and will publish it as soon as we've paid the designer.
10:42 drojf            (11:50:53) slef: I think there may be an earlier one around, used on Calyx's banner, but I need to email Irma to ask.
10:44 gaetan_B         rangi: hmmm, where are ther other ones ?
10:44 rangi            i dont know
10:44 gaetan_B         oh ok :D
10:44 rangi            youd have to ask the people who hijacked the domain
10:44 gaetan_B         i have to blame myself to some extent though
10:45 rangi            because the were tifs on the old koha site
10:45 gaetan_B         i did vectorize something a fex month back and i can't seem to find it again
10:45 gaetan_B         *few
10:46 rangi            ah ha!
10:46 rangi            lucky im paranoid and backed that site up
10:46 rangi            5 mins ill put a copy of them all up for you
10:48 gaetan_B         :)
10:49 rangi            [off] http://stats.workbuffer.org/logos/koha-logo-2005-Libre-Bibliotheque.png
10:49 rangi            [off] http://stats.workbuffer.org/logos/
10:50 rangi            theres even an old freehand file there
10:52 rangi            hmm 1500 .. we have a contestant in this
10:52 * rangi          watches
10:58 * drojf          is waiting for high res colour pictures of martians
11:02 * kf             waves
11:02 mtompset         Greetings, #koha.
11:04 gaetan_B         thanks rangi, i'll use one of those to try and do a vectorized version
11:04 kf               gaetan_B: perhaps mail slef and ask? he might have one available now :)
11:05 gaetan_B         kf: that's a good point
11:05 gaetan_B         hmmm kf what's his real name / email address ?
11:06 kf               mj
11:06 mtompset         irc regulars?
11:06 wahanui          hmmm... irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
11:06 kf               it seems I forgot his last name
11:06 kf               gaetan_B: look for mj on the mailing list :)
11:07 kf               mj ray :)
11:08 drojf            hi kf :)
11:08 mtompset         If you wanted to change the font of h1#libraryname, how would you do it?
11:08 drojf            mtompset: jquery maybe?
11:08 kf               css?
11:08 wahanui          well, css is probably easier
11:08 drojf            probably ;)
11:09 mtompset         Yes, I figured CSS.
11:09 kf               but you know, fonts are not so easy
11:09 mtompset         But for the life of me, I am dumbfounded.
11:09 kf               you know that the font must be available on the computer viewing it?
11:09 mtompset         The font on our webpage has reverted to the default, despite no CSS changes.
11:09 kf               I think there are newer tricks around now, but haven't used one of those
11:09 kf               which font did you use?
11:10 kf               and did it really revert? are you looking at it from the same computer?
11:10 mtompset         BlackJarRegular... it's not a normal font that is installed everywhere.
11:10 kf               see...
11:10 mtompset         Yes, it reverted.
11:10 kf               you have it installed? did you install a newer version of your browser or changed the settings?
11:11 mtompset         It works for my coworker.
11:11 kf               ah
11:11 kf               see
11:11 kf               local
11:11 mtompset         It stopped working for me.
11:11 kf               I would say, font or browser settings
11:11 mtompset         My co-worker is several hundred miles away.
11:11 mtompset         He's never gone to the site before.
11:11 mtompset         It stopped working for the users too.
11:14 mtompset         Annoyingly, it's like the browser is loading the remote font, and then still decides to use default.
11:14 mtompset         And it's not a browser thing, because I tried under IE and Firefox, and cleared both caches.
11:14 chinu            hello
11:14 wahanui          what's up, chinu
11:14 kf               I think if you want to use a special font, it's probably easier to use a picture instead
11:14 kf               safer
11:14 chinu            i need answer for a Q
11:15 chinu            have u used opac search
11:15 chinu            ?
11:15 chinu            opac search?
11:15 wahanui          i guess opac search is good working for english biblios. i think only problem for mongolian. when i search mongolian than wrong results.
11:16 chinu            how it serches?
11:16 kf               chinu: what is your problem?
11:16 chinu            u know about deatil?
11:16 kf               wahanui: forget opac search?
11:16 wahanui          kf: I forgot opac search
11:16 kf               chinu: sorry, I can't help you if you don't have a more specific quesion
11:17 kf               can you describe your problem?
11:18 eythian          https://twitter.com/Oatmeal/status/232352317603713024 <-- drojf
11:18 chinu            while searching which data it matches with query
11:18 chinu            ?
11:19 kf               eythian: you are mean, now I will have nightmares again
11:19 kf               chinu: I am sorry, I don't understand. where are you from?
11:19 drojf            eythian: lol excellent
11:21 chinu            about opac-search u know?
11:22 drojf            chinu: please try to explain a) what you are trying to do b) what is not working for you
11:24 chinu            I want learn the perl program who searches for given query
11:25 chinu            I am from computer science
11:25 eythian          chinu: then you start with opac-search.pl and trace through it until you get to Search.pm
11:25 eythian          (then you stop because you've started drinking)
11:26 drojf            and then you have enough
11:26 drojf            heh
11:26 * mtompset       laughs.
11:26 chinu            ???
11:26 drojf            you will understand once you looked at search.pm
11:26 chinu            anybody from computer science?
11:27 eythian          I have a masters degree in it...
11:28 kf               ... and you don't dare to go into Search.pm?
11:28 eythian          Nope.
11:28 eythian          I just protest that computer science is all about the theory, not the implementation.
11:28 eythian          And then go to the pub.
11:29 BobB             hdl?
11:29 wahanui          hdl is probably saying, who when where, how.
11:29 rangi            http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_%26_P_Search_Rewrite_RFC
11:29 eythian          BobB: he's having lunch right now
11:29 BobB             hi eythian, are you at Biblibre now?
11:29 eythian          Oui.
11:30 BobB             ah, bien
11:30 BobB             @later tell HDL thanks!  I have let Irma know.
11:30 huginn           BobB: The operation succeeded.
11:31 BobB             eythian lunch must be good there.
11:31 BobB             I like lunch.  :)
11:31 eythian          it is good here
11:32 eythian          kf: in answer to the question: North Maharashtra University, Jalgaon, India
11:32 kf               oh
11:32 kf               thx
11:32 chinu            how u get that I am from North Maharashtra university, Jalgaon, India?
11:33 eythian          masters degree in computer science ;)
11:33 BobB             LOL !
11:34 chinu            really tell me how?
11:34 chinu            eythian?
11:34 wahanui          eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence
11:34 chinu            kf?
11:34 wahanui          i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
11:34 eythian          http://youtu.be/hkDD03yeLnU <-- sorta like this
11:34 BobB             shut up wahanui
11:35 eythian          wahanui: shut up wahanui is <reply>$who is making me cry!
11:35 wahanui          OK, eythian.
11:35 BobB             shut up wahanui
11:35 wahanui          BobB is making me cry!
11:36 hdl              wahanui: forget hdl
11:36 wahanui          hdl: I forgot hdl
11:36 BobB             hi hdl
11:39 * mveron         back from lunch
11:39 kf               chinu: ip address I assume
11:39 mveron           eythian: Thanks for the thanks above, welcome :-)
11:40 eythian          kf: yep
11:43 kf               hi nengard
11:43 nengard          hello
11:45 mbalmer          hi nengard
11:46 mbalmer          nengard, say, I am writing an article about Koha, may I use your group picture from edinbrugh as an illustration?  (magazine for swiss librarians)
11:46 nengard          Of course you can.
11:50 mbalmer          ok, many thanks!
11:54 mtompset         Oh that was an overt demonstration of no knowledge on CSI's part.
11:59 mtompset         Okay, perhaps cross site font downloads is the problem... let's try ....
12:03 mtompset         Okay... so why don't cross-site font downloads work?
12:07 eythian          probably something to do with security
12:08 eythian          that's usually the reason cross-site <noun/verb> doesn't work
12:22 mtompset         Their fonts! How can fonts be a security risk?
12:22 mtompset         Do they have some evil pre-display hook?
12:27 eythian          I think it's to prevent *ahem* <airquotes>stealing</airquotes> of fonts from other sites.
12:27 eythian          If you set the Access-Control-Allow-Origin header, you can specify who is allowed to use them
12:27 kf               @wunder Konstanz
12:27 huginn           kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.0°C (2:25 PM CEST on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
12:32 oleonard         Hi #koha
12:34 kf               hi oleonard
12:34 kf               :)
12:34 kf               @wunder Konstanz
12:34 huginn           kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.8°C (2:30 PM CEST on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
12:34 kf               hm. it's raining huginn
12:35 eythian          I hope huginn is not heavy, getting hit would but unpleasant
12:35 kf               ?
12:35 eythian          though, you'd think a raven would just fly.
12:35 eythian          Well, you said it was raining huginn.
12:35 kf               lol
12:36 jcamins          Hehe.
12:38 mtompset         Greetings, jcamins and oleonard .
12:42 mtompset         @wunder MNL
12:42 huginn           mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 23.0°C (8:00 PM PHT on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
12:42 mtompset         Yep... that's about right.
12:42 mtompset         It's a really loud rain.
12:45 kf               hm rain in marseille, in Konstanz and in manila... who in #koha is to blame? :)
12:46 liw              no rain in Manchester, UK
12:46 drojf            @wunder berlin, germany
12:46 huginn           drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.2°C (2:42 PM CEST on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
12:46 oleonard         Our rain was yesterday
12:46 eythian          liw: I think maybe you're in the wrong UK
12:46 drojf            it's sunny here actually
12:47 liw              eythian, pfft, this is the right UK, it's that day of the month when it doesn't rain
12:47 eythian          good old first-monday, eh.
13:02 * oleonard       is more tired than he should be having not even stayed up late to watch a robot land on Mars
13:02 mtompset         Greetings, tcohen
13:02 mtompset         Greetings, ago43
13:04 tcohen           hi mtompset
13:04 mtompset         I'd look at my bugs list, but if I do that... I won't stop coding.
13:05 oleonard         Hm, so suspending a hold doesn't exclude it from showing up in the holds queue report? That seems like a pretty major failure.
13:08 oleonard         Bug 8419
13:08 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8419 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue
13:11 nengard          oleonard bug 8412 is updated per your suggestions
13:11 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , add color icon set
13:12 jcamins          nengard: is one of your libraries planning on using that? I don't think I've ever encountered a library willing to put that kind of time into noting the colors of books.
13:13 nengard          jcamins nope, but I did read an article in a law library magazine about a library that does that
13:13 nengard          and it doesn't really hurt anything to have the option there
13:13 jcamins          No, it certainly doesn't.
13:13 nengard          it is more likely to be used in a special library - law specifically - I think
13:14 nengard          cause it's easy to bulk edit a bunch of items cause you know what color each series is :)
13:14 jcamins          I was just amazed that someone was going to go back and retroactively fill all that out.
13:14 nengard          I would be amazed if anyone did!
13:14 nengard          in any way other than bulk editing
13:14 oleonard         jcamins: This from the guy who added an option to allow libraries to scan and upload book covers ;)
13:15 * mtompset       grins.
13:15 mtompset         jcamins?
13:15 wahanui          i guess jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
13:15 mtompset         That is going to haunt you for a long time, jcamins. :)
13:16 jcamins          oleonard: there doesn't tend to be a lot of retrospective photography to do, if you're using that feature.
13:17 kf               hm color bulk update feature using lists of scanned barcodes? :)
13:18 oleonard         Now, just write an image-recognition bot to load OPAC results, average the color from book cover images, and set the color that way
13:18 kf               but that's the cover color, not the spine color...
13:18 jcamins          Or you have a digitization grant, I suppose.
13:18 jcamins          However, I had forgotten how monotonous the colors of law books are... you have entire shelves that are all red or all green or the like.
13:26 eythian          hey SQL people, why would these two queries give a different number of rows: http://paste.koha-community.org/73 and http://paste.koha-community.org/74 -- the only difference is the fields to select.
13:27 * mveron         is about to sign-off Bug 5349 with 2 patches, but is stuck with the steps on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
13:27 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5349 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Moving an order
13:28 kf               mveron: what is the problem? :)
13:28 mveron           git rebase 1stcommitid^ --interactive   What is this id?
13:29 kf               ah
13:29 kf               if you do git log
13:29 jcamins          eythian: I have no idea.
13:29 kf               the unreadable part
13:29 eythian          jcamins: one gives 56, the other 106 (on the db I'm testing)
13:30 eythian          I consider 56 to be the correct answer.
13:31 kf               may I ask what it is you are trying to do?
13:31 mveron           kf: Ok, I see some IDs...  Reading helps. Reaing unreadable parts helps as well  :-)
13:31 kf               mveron: I was trying to find an example for you :)
13:31 kf               didn't know how to describe it better
13:32 kf               eythian: why all the unions?
13:32 eythian          kf: to include the deleteditems and deletedbiblios
13:32 kf               hmm
13:39 kf               eythian: don't know why different results :(
13:41 eythian          hmm, the longer ones appear to include duplicates from somewhere...
13:44 jwagner          eythian, I think you're confusing it by trying to include biblionumber inside the union.
13:46 eythian          the catch is, the real query has a ton of fields and gives me even more rows
13:48 kf               hm
13:48 kf               have you tried adding some parentheses?
13:52 eythian          kf: no difference
13:52 kf               yeah
13:52 kf               I see the same in my database
13:52 kf               using a different borrowernumer of course.
13:52 kf               hmm.
13:53 kf               hm
13:54 kf               you could try to compare the results for each union separately
13:54 kf               see where the difference comes from
13:55 eythian          well.
13:55 eythian          > select itemnumber from items where itemnumber in (select itemnumber from deleteditems);
13:55 eythian          30 rows in set (0.95 sec)
13:55 eythian          that should not be the case.
13:56 kf               uhoh
13:56 kf               probably if you delete the last max itemnumber it gets reassigned?
13:56 eythian          and 7 for the deletedbiblio
13:57 eythian          no, the incrementer should always just increment
13:57 jcamins          That doesn't sound good at all.
13:57 kf               nope
13:58 kf               thre goes my dream of undoing deletes in the near future...
14:03 mtompset         Good day (24 hour period), #koha. MAybe tomorrow I'll get to work on Koha stuff.
14:04 mtompset         That's why I don't really like autoincrementing fields myself, kf.
14:04 * mtompset       waves bye.
14:04 kf               eythian: share if you find out what's happening? I am curious what's wrong with that sql
14:04 eythian          kf: nothing, I think
14:05 eythian          I think it's that the data is weird.
14:05 eythian          going to do more science on it though
14:05 kf               eythian: I have the same here... an dmy data isn't weird :)
14:05 * kf             believes in her data
14:26 * eythian        heads to the station to book tickets.
14:29 tcohen           hi #koha, is the cover image showing feature conditional to the existence of it?
14:30 tcohen           i mena, we have a cover uploaded, will it still search for it in google (for example)
14:30 tcohen           ?
14:30 oleonard         Yes
14:31 oleonard         If you have multiple image sources enabled Koha will try to show covers from each of them
14:36 tcohen           oleonard, is that a bug or a feature?
14:36 tcohen           http://ffyh.biblio.unc.edu.ar/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=ti&q=dialogo+filosofico
14:37 oleonard         I consider it a bug. Bug 7187 I think matches
14:37 kf1              hm
14:37 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
14:38 * jcamins        agrees.
14:38 jcamins          Definitely bug.
14:38 tcohen           oleonard, thanks for pointing it
14:38 * jcamins        is looking forward to kmkale's fixing of said bug.
14:38 oleonard         jcamins: Do you know if kmkale has code in progress?
14:39 tcohen           another question, would it be usefull to provide a daily circulation report on the circulation page?
14:39 jcamins          oleonard: I do not.
14:39 tcohen           i provided one to my librarians, and they are really missing it
14:39 oleonard         tcohen: Someone tried something similar in Bug 6828
14:39 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6828 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, barry, Failed QA , Add Admin Dashboard for staff users.
14:39 tcohen           so i'd implement it anyway
14:40 tcohen           (since we went live with 3.8 stock)
14:40 tcohen           i'll look at those bugs
14:41 tcohen           thanks
14:46 tcohen           how would #koha propose to achieve that priority thing in bug 7187?
14:46 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
14:46 tcohen           a | separated list of values?
14:46 jcamins          tcohen: that'd be my preference.
14:46 tcohen           a new <Service>Weight preference for each cover-provider?
14:46 jcamins          I'd prefer the single list.
14:47 tcohen           any other vote?
14:47 tcohen           (i find it error-prone, but can't think of better solutions)
14:50 tcohen           two prefs? one to choose a default and another to set it to traverse the activated services or just use the default?
14:52 jcamins          That would work too.
14:55 tcohen           is it ok to change the bug to origin/master ?
14:56 jcamins          Yes, it should be versioned against master.
14:56 tcohen           done
14:57 tcohen           time to study that code :-D
15:00 oleonard         I wonder if Google's TOS forbids caching book cover images
15:07 tcohen           a web proxy is doing it for sure
15:10 tcohen           Prohibitions on Content:...
15:10 tcohen           Scrape, build databases or otherwise create permanent copies of such content, or keep cached copies longer than permitted by the cache header;
15:11 tcohen           (Google TOS)
15:11 oleonard         Yeah, I think it's the same for Amazon
15:11 tcohen           do we have a place on the wiki to paste links to this relevant info?
15:12 oleonard         Without caching you have to run through each of your cover image sources every time... very time-consuming.
15:12 tcohen           oleonard, it depends
15:12 tcohen           on your infrastructure
15:13 tcohen           if you are on a university and have a transparent proxy...
15:13 oleonard         I'm talking about out-of-the-box Koha
15:13 tcohen           I agree
15:13 oleonard         We should design it to be as efficient as we can all by itself
15:14 tcohen           cd op
15:14 tcohen           hehe, missed the terminal
15:17 gaetan_B         do i need specific permissions to upload an image to the wiki ?
15:18 oleonard         gaetan_B: I don't think so. Are you having trouble?
15:19 gaetan_B         i'm trying to upload a cleaned up and vectorized logo on the wiki
15:19 gaetan_B         i probably just can't find the right tool :-/
15:20 oleonard         gaetan_B: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:Upload
15:20 gaetan_B         aaah tanks oleonard :)
15:20 gaetan_B         s/tanks/thanks
15:21 oleonard         gaetan_B: I see that link in the left-hand sidebar down towards the bottom
15:21 gaetan_B         yes, somehow all these links had been pushed all the way to the bottom of the page when i clicked "edit"
15:21 gaetan_B         now i see them :)
15:24 tcohen           OPACAmazonCoverImages pref is not used in opac-detail.pl?
15:25 gaetan_B         aah but you can't upload svg files it seems... too bad
15:26 oleonard         Weird. Maybe it's a configuration thing which could be changed?
15:27 oleonard         "Allow upload of SVG files in the LocalSettings.php file: $wgFileExtensions[] = 'svg';"
15:28 oleonard         http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_Administration#Enable_upload_of_images
15:34 kf1              oleonard: I would think so
15:41 jcamins          gaetan_B: could you please tell joubu to sign onto #koha?
15:42 jcamins          I have a question for him about Moo.
15:42 gaetan_B         jcamins: sorry he has already left !
15:42 jcamins          gaetan_B: ah well.
15:50 PRA              How to upgrade koha 2.0.0 on redhat to koha 3.8
15:52 oleonard         That's a big question to have answered in under one minute!
15:52 drojf            PRA is still here, PR left ;)
15:53 jcamins          PRA: that's going to be a bit of a challenge. There's a document on the wiki, I think.
15:53 oleonard         Aside from the platform issues, isn't the process 2 -> 3 -> 3.8 ?
15:53 jcamins          Yes, I think so.
15:54 * oleonard       wonders if this is up to date: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
15:55 PRA              ok. it's not possible. tell me how to export bibilo from koha 2.0 in *.mrc file?
15:55 jcamins          No, it is possible. Just very difficult.
15:58 PRA              Ok. How to export bibilo from KOHA 2.0 in marc forma?
15:58 * jcamins        doesn't know, sorry.
15:58 drojf            my guess is that is not possible
15:58 jcamins          I started using Koha at 3.0.6/3.2.
16:03 rangi            why im awake
16:03 rangi            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7426862/Mt-Tongariro-erupts-warning-for-North-Is-regions
16:04 rangi            http://geonet.org.nz/images/volcano/drums/ch/wtvz/10/drum.png
16:05 PRA              ok. thanks.
16:05 jcamins          Wow.
16:10 jwagner          rangi, where is Mt Tongariro -- is that one of the ones near Lake Taupo?
16:10 rangi            yep
16:10 rangi            the three of them there, normally it is ruapehu erupting
16:11 jwagner          I saw them when I was touristing. They said the last eruption was in the 90s sometime? That would have been Ruapehu?
16:11 rangi            yep
16:11 gaetan_B         bye #koha, see you tomorrow !
16:11 rangi            ngaruhoe smokes a lot, but hasnt erupted in ages
16:11 rangi            tongariro they thought was dormant
16:12 rangi            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8W_sGYAQlc  <-- thats ruapehu
16:13 liw              rangi, you live in a country with exiting geology!
16:13 rangi            yes, and i crazily have alerts on my phone which wake me up
16:13 * rangi          switches them off and goes back to sleep
16:13 jwagner          I'd say "let me sleep until the lava gets near my house" :-)
16:13 oleonard         Crazy like a fox who doesn't want to get covered in lava
16:17 * wizzyrea       waves
16:17 * wizzyrea       startles at the early rangi sighting
16:17 oleonard         Because volcano wizzyrea!
16:17 wizzyrea         I know!
16:17 wizzyrea         CRAZY
16:21 oleonard         How could one do original cataloging if Koha couldn't connect to MySQL?
16:21 * oleonard       reading the Koha mailing list
16:21 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @kohails: "Encrypting SIP2 Traffic with Koha http://t.co/N1MPpiiS via @wordpressdotcom #kohails"
16:21 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Encrypting SIP2 Traffic with Koha http://t.co/XxXfzq7V via @wordpressdotcom #kohails"
16:21 jcamins          Yeah, I was wondering about that.
16:22 jcamins          I am thinking maybe he was able to do it before.
16:23 jcamins          (but couldn't if he tried now)
16:24 wizzyrea         I'm rather surprised that he can do anything if he can't connect to mysql
16:24 jcamins          wizzyrea: I think he couldn't do anything now.
16:25 jcamins          I will respond once I finish what I'm working on.
16:25 wizzyrea         you should let us peons answer that ;)
16:25 jcamins          Heh.
16:36 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Managing Lists in the OPAC in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/0anXabI4"
17:01 wizzyrea         oh, guess the latest SIP doesn't work with Overdrive - really need to get that set up to allow the line endings to be defined in the conf :/
17:02 jcamins          wizzyrea: yes. That's why it's not going into 3.6.x.
17:04 wizzyrea         silly.
17:13 * oleonard       can confirm that, unfortunately
17:20 wizzyrea         ez fix tho :)
17:24 Callender        Has anyone seen a problem in 3.08 where when going into the Guided Report Wizard and creating a New Definition, Step 3 is a blank page? I notice that the "Current Terms" section doesn't display either on the dictionary screen
17:24 jcamins          Callender: the guided report wizard doesn't work at all.
17:24 jcamins          Don't use it.
17:24 jcamins          We should probably remove it.
17:25 Callender        ok
17:26 wizzyrea         hm i'm not having a problem with that actually
17:27 wizzyrea         step 3 on both guided reports *and* the dictionary works for me
17:27 wizzyrea         s/works/work
17:27 Callender        I get nothing over here. I wonder if it's something with the DB when it's trying to grab those columns
17:27 wizzyrea         what exact steps are you following?
17:28 wizzyrea         the first question?
17:28 wahanui          "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
17:28 wizzyrea         the second question?
17:28 wahanui          the second question is "What is the exact error message?"
17:28 wizzyrea         the third question?
17:28 wahanui          the third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/
17:28 wizzyrea         also, which version of 3.8?
17:29 Callender        This one is, 3.08.00.001
17:29 wizzyrea         ah, i'm looking at master
17:29 wizzyrea         is an upgrade possible?
17:30 jcamins          Yeah, using 3.8.0 is probably not such a good idea.
17:30 wizzyrea         heh
17:30 wizzyrea         that might be understatement ;)
17:30 jcamins          wizzyrea: given that I feel doubtful about 3.8.3... yeah, it just might be.
17:30 wizzyrea         3.8.3 is pretty solid though
17:30 Callender        Go to reports > Guided report wizard > View Dictionary > and at that point, I don't see the columns that should be there. If I go into create a new definition, getting to step 3.. just a blank screen.
17:31 wizzyrea         WFM :)
17:31 Callender        lets hold off then for me, I'll upgrade this system
17:31 wizzyrea         cool beans :)
17:31 Callender        and I'll see if that takes care of it
17:31 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "How Koha 3.8 Handles Lost Statuses http://t.co/ndov7R4T #kohails"
17:31 wizzyrea         it's really likely it'll be better
17:31 wizzyrea         I kind of remember this bug
17:31 wizzyrea         sorta
17:31 * wizzyrea       has slept since then
17:31 Callender        thanks guys.. and gals! :)
17:32 * wizzyrea       salutes Callender "anytime!"
18:09 * tcohen         is wondering how to acknowledge that his work on Koha is sponsored by UNC
18:09 jcamins          Sponsored-by: University N... Cordoba. :)
18:09 jcamins          I sent an e-mail to koha-devel about this.
18:09 tcohen           in the patch comment?
18:10 cait             jcamins: maybe put it in the coding guidelines as an option?
18:10 jcamins          cait: I think I did.
18:10 jcamins          tcohen: yup.
18:10 jcamins          I'll check.
18:11 tcohen           found it
18:12 jcamins          I guess it's not in the coding guidelines. Adding now.
18:12 tcohen           some time in the future, i'd need my bosses to see it as my contract says any work I do belongs to the University
18:13 tcohen           'belongs' in the sense of meaning the university has commited some work to an open source project
18:14 tcohen           not in the sense of IP and that stuff
18:15 tcohen           is it clear what I mean jcamins?
18:15 jcamins          tcohen: yeah, that's what Sponsored-by is for.
18:15 tcohen           thanks!
18:15 jcamins          I was just editing the coding guidelines.
18:16 jcamins          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Good_commit_message
18:17 tcohen           great jcamins
18:18 tcohen           the missing bit would be setting the commit message editor to insert that automagically
18:19 jcamins          Yeah, if you only have the one client you could certainly do that.
18:19 tweetbot`        [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  How Koha 3.8 Handles Lost Statuses http://t.co/GVjbtqs6"
18:19 jcamins          Though- it would be a problem for signing off.
18:20 tcohen           u r right
18:20 jcamins          git config --global commit.template $HOME/.gitmessage.txt
18:20 jcamins          git++ # git is totally awesome
18:20 jcamins          tcohen: http://git-scm.com/book/ch7-1.html
18:21 * oleonard       uses that trick to preface each commit with "And so it came to pass..."
18:22 wizzyrea         LOL
18:23 wizzyrea         our commit messages could be so much more epic
18:23 wizzyrea         AND SO IT CAME TO PASS THAT "bug 1398 - blah blah blah EPIC WIN"
18:23 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1398 normal, P3, ---, chris, RESOLVED INVALID, Branch management not working with returns
18:23 jcamins          lol
18:30 tcohen           is it ok to require LIB ; import LIB
18:30 tcohen           or is it better to use LIB ?
18:31 jcamins          use LIB is generally better, I think.
18:31 tcohen           i'm revisiting opac-detail.pl
18:31 tcohen           and found both used
18:32 jcamins          Hehe. I'm not surprised.
18:32 jcamins          We prefer use.
18:32 jcamins          Usually.
18:32 tcohen           i think amazon and syndetics stuff should be loaded the same way bakertaylor stuff is
18:32 jcamins          Agreed.
18:32 tcohen           which checks for the syspref prior to loading the libs
18:33 tcohen           but... bakertaylor uses that require ; import
18:33 tcohen           schema
18:33 * jcamins        doesn't really know much about it. If your patch works, though, I'll sign off. :)
18:34 jcamins          The cover code, though, is all javascript.
18:34 tcohen           haha
18:34 jcamins          So far as I know.
18:34 tcohen           yes
18:34 tcohen           but... needs those variables set from the .pl
18:35 tcohen           i'll continue to study that code, and guess i'll ask oleonard for some help
18:35 tcohen           :-D
18:48 wizzyrea         @marc 500
18:48 huginn           wizzyrea: General information for which a specialized 5XX note field has not been defined. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8]
19:14 mbalmer          @marc balmer
19:14 huginn           mbalmer: unknown tag balmer
19:14 mbalmer          heh ;)
19:22 mveron           @wunder Basel
19:22 huginn           mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 17.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
19:23 wizzyrea         @wunder 66049
19:23 huginn           wizzyrea: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 38.5°C (2:21 PM CDT on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
19:23 wizzyrea         ! seriously? yesterday it was in the 80's
19:24 wizzyrea         well, 25C ish
19:25 oleonard         @wunder 45701
19:25 huginn           oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 30.6°C (2:50 PM EDT on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
19:27 mbalmer          someone should change the topic to "Koha - The Weather Channel"
19:28 nengard          is anyone around (oleonard maybe) who can explain what doc changes I need to make per bug 8392
19:28 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8392 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Stable , Memberentry is not enforcing birthdate restrictions
19:28 nengard          Do I need to say that the birthday limit is only checked if that field is mandatory?
19:28 oleonard         Yes
19:28 nengard          or recommend that the birthday be made required if you want Koha to enforce the age limit
19:29 nengard          oops .. yes which?
19:29 oleonard         It will only check the birthdate limit if the field is mandatory
19:29 nengard          got it
19:29 nengard          thanks!
19:29 cait             oleonard: I don't like that much :(
19:30 cait             but I know it was not you :)
19:30 oleonard         cait: How would it handle empty birthdates if the field was not mandatory?
19:30 cait             not check
19:31 cait             so you coul give the birthdate for not adult patrons
19:31 cait             but leave it empty for adult patrons
19:32 oleonard         You'd have to create a new preference to define which categories of patrons should require age enforcement
19:32 nengard          i'm with cait
19:32 nengard          but understand why it was done this way
19:32 nengard          and now the manual reflects that :)
19:32 cait             oleonard: the problem is that I was told dates of birth are sensitive data - most of our libraries don't store it at all
19:33 nengard          so you could just not store it and not use the upper or minimum age limites
19:33 cait             yes
19:33 cait             but it would be nice to use it when needed :)
19:34 cait             but it's really not a big deal, only a bit grumpy tonight
19:34 cait             :)
19:35 jcamins          cait++ # for fixing my unit test
19:35 cait             lol - I only asked some stupid questions comparing to pieces of code :)
19:43 rangi            Morning again
19:43 nengard          good afternoon :)
19:44 jcamins          You missed me flipping out about a unit test.
19:44 rangi            Heh darn shall I read the logs?
19:44 nengard          oh - jcamins - the training I just did was with an authorities fanatic she wanted so very many many more changes to authorities
19:44 jcamins          No, mostly cait had to suffer.
19:44 nengard          and I kept saying well we have an expert working on improving things
19:44 nengard          :)
19:45 jcamins          nengard: I'm not surprised. If you have a list I'd love to see it.
19:45 nengard          i did report a bunch to calm her down
19:45 nengard          mainly the lack of browse was a big deal
19:45 jcamins          Ah, yeah, true browse is very problematic.
19:45 nengard          the fact that you can't add an authority right from cataloging - you have to go out to authorities to create (unless you want Koha to create it for you based on what you type)
19:45 jcamins          I didn't see that bug.
19:45 jcamins          It's a duplicate.
19:46 jcamins          I already implemented that. :P
19:46 nengard          then the authority searching - the fact that united states -- encycopedia was getting too broad of results for her
19:46 nengard          which did you do? the add authority in cataloging?
19:46 nengard          bug #?
19:46 wahanui          i think bug # is there
19:47 jcamins          Bug 8208.
19:47 wahanui          bug 8208 is, like, almost done
19:47 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8208 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "create authority" button to auth_finder plugin
19:47 nengard          hehe
19:47 nengard          awesome!
19:47 nengard          I'll email the director over there with that one
19:47 nengard          of course they're not on master yet, but they'll be happy to see it
19:48 jcamins          As for the search, that'll be helped by bug 8206.
19:48 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
19:48 jcamins          Which actually impacts the staff client, too.
19:48 jcamins          It adds consistent options, including access to heading-match, which is what she wants.
19:51 nengard          email sent
19:51 nengard          I told them that you were working hard and that new stuff was coming all of the time
19:52 jcamins          They should take a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/C_&_P_Authority_Control_Improvements_RFC
19:52 nengard          I also got another library complaining about Koha's cataloging interface - shocker!
19:52 jcamins          nengard: no!
19:52 rangi            Bug 7417 is a good one too
19:52 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
19:52 rangi            I get that all the time
19:53 rangi            What's this MARC crap?
19:53 jcamins          rangi: that's the one with the unit tests that were receiving many creative expletives.
19:53 jcamins          I switched to DBD::Mock.
19:53 jcamins          And DBD::Mock said "oh yeah? Just you try!"
19:53 nengard          rangi i think we found that one while i was there
19:53 jcamins          It was an epic battle.
19:54 jcamins          I was losing, until cait told me to add a history check.
19:54 rangi            Hehe
19:54 rangi            Oh my blog was good for something!
19:54 jcamins          At which point I discovered that the call to C4::Context->preference('marcflavour') was retrieving marcxml.
19:55 jcamins          Yeah, but I liked the old layout a lot better.
19:55 rangi            I might switch back
19:56 jcamins          Good.
19:56 jcamins          You should.
19:57 rangi            Hehe
19:57 rangi            I like the photo of kahu though
19:59 jcamins          Take out the Twitter updates a couple of the other sidebars?
19:59 cait             I liked the really old one best
20:00 cait             but the last one is way better than what you have now :)
20:00 * cait           hides
20:00 rangi            Hehe
20:00 rangi            I'm not fragile, I can change it
20:01 oleonard         Can/does Koha log what Koha user performs the transaction when checking something out?
20:01 rangi            I'll switch when I get to work
20:01 jcamins          oleonard: I think so. Isn't that circ log?
20:01 rangi            Hmm I thought so
20:04 oleonard         I have  IssueLog turned on, but when I check the modification log of a book which is checked out, I get nothing
20:04 jcamins          Ummm...
20:04 rangi            Hmm not modification log, it should be circ log
20:05 jcamins          was there a bug about this recently?
20:05 jcamins          I have a vague recollection.
20:05 rangi            Changing numbers ... Not sure it was pushed tho
20:05 cait             I know it does log it - ony not sure how to access from within koha
20:06 cait             I used it to check which checkouts were done using the self check :)
20:06 rangi            In the log viewer I think if you just view the circ log?
20:07 rangi            The bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber
20:07 rangi            Iirc
20:08 oleonard         ...so it can't show the checkout history because biblionumber doesn't get you anything
20:08 rangi            Yep
20:08 rangi            But u can find it in the log
20:09 rangi            You might want to try the patch
20:09 oleonard         Do you know the bug?
20:09 wahanui          it has been said that the bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way
20:09 * rangi          always looks for a signoff angle
20:10 rangi            Not off the top of my head
20:10 jcamins          Bug 7241.
20:10 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7241 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number
20:10 jcamins          Found it. :)
20:10 cait             ah
20:10 cait             you were faster :(
20:11 * oleonard       had looked at that bug earlier, hoped fredericd was going to sign off since he seemed anxious for it to be pushed
20:13 * oleonard       zips into his testing jacket
20:13 jcamins          Ugh.
20:13 jcamins          My tests no longer cover 100% of the files.
20:14 cait             :)
20:14 jcamins          Why is that?
20:14 rangi            I think he is on vacation too
20:14 cait             oleonard: does it have built in airbags?
20:14 jcamins          Test coverage was at 100%.
20:14 jcamins          Then I fiddled with things.
20:14 cait             jcamins: scandalous - go and write more tests!
20:14 rangi            Heh
20:15 rangi            @wunder nzwn
20:15 huginn           rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on August 07, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
20:15 rangi            My stop brb
20:16 jcamins          Oh, I see.
20:16 jcamins          I inadvertantly mocked one of the subroutines.
20:17 wizzyrea         you should apologize
20:17 jcamins          Hehe.
20:17 wizzyrea         you are going to hurt its feelings
20:22 * oleonard       doesn't see anything new in action_logs
20:22 rangi            back
20:23 jcamins          Actually, no, I think the problem is that I misunderstood how Devel::Cover works.
20:24 magnuse          @wunder boo
20:24 huginn           magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:50 PM CEST on August 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
20:25 magnuse          g'night #koha ;-)
20:25 jcamins          That was part of the problem.
20:25 oleonard         Oh wait yes I do. I guess it is working
20:25 rangi            night magnuse
20:26 ExtraordinaryBen Hello, I'm helping my Library get Koha setup as their new ILS. I've got it up and running, but it doesn't seem to be remembering anything. (Library is always not set, etc.) Any help would be appreciated. ;)
20:26 jcamins          ExtraordinaryBen: you should never log in as the database administrative user.
20:26 cait             ExtraordinaryBen: you need to create real staff accounts - don't work with the root user
20:27 cait             to do that, create a branch, a patron category with category staff and add a new patron - and then give it permissions from more in the toolbar
20:27 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, awesome. many thanks. (Ugh, knew it must have been something simple.)
20:28 rangi            http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7426862/Mt-Tongariro-erupts-for-first-time-in-over-100-years  <-- yuck
20:29 cait             ExtraordinaryBen: :)
20:29 wizzyrea         ewww
20:29 wizzyrea         poor horses
20:29 rangi            heh
20:29 rangi            A few locals did drive to the Hirangi Marae in Turangi but most just stood and watched the spectacular show.
20:29 rangi            "It's a volcano. If it goes. It will go. We'll all be vapourised. Ruapehu and Ngauruhoe  have erupted regularly over the years. Now it is Tongariro's turn."
20:43 kathryn          g'morning
20:43 jcamins          http://screencast.com/t/Dz9fFKCfHIKa <-- this is what the coverage report should look like.
20:44 jcamins          (no unit tests were run for code in C4::)
20:44 jcamins          Good morning, kathryn.
20:44 kathryn          :)
20:44 rangi            jcamins: nice ;)
20:45 cait             hi kathryn :)
20:45 kathryn          hi cait :D
20:45 cait             :)
20:53 jenkins_koha     Starting build #125 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:55 jcamins          Hey.
20:55 jcamins          It seems to me that Net::ZOOM should have some unit tests.
20:55 * jcamins        goes looking for them.
20:55 jcamins          Or ZOOM.
20:55 jcamins          Or whatever we use.
20:57 jcamins          Well...
20:57 jcamins          huh.
20:57 jcamins          Was anyone else expecting the ZOOM test suite to pass?
20:58 rangi            it fails on the connection to a test server, the test server is dead
20:58 rangi            well thats what fialed for me last time
20:58 jcamins          It's failing on scan.
20:59 jcamins          Huh.
21:08 gmcharlt         rangi: would I be correct in making a wild guess that 8181 is not a candidate for backporting to 3.8.x?
21:08 rangi            lemme look
21:08 jcamins          bug 8181
21:08 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace DynArch calendar widget with jQueryUI version
21:08 cait             night all
21:09 rangi            im currently picking stuff out of the Passed QA queue, that are bug fixes, for 3.8.x (since nothing is going into master for 3 weeks)
21:09 gmcharlt         asking mostly because one of its side-effects is fixing some breakage introduced by the patch for 2780
21:09 cait             bug 2780
21:09 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Capitalize strings consistently
21:10 rangi            probably not, unless i got another sign off
21:10 rangi            http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8181#c12
21:10 huginn           04Bug 8181: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace DynArch calendar widget with jQueryUI version
21:10 rangi            doesnt fill me full of confidence
21:11 gmcharlt         rangi: yeah, that's what I thought
21:15 jcamins          Is there any way in Perl to create an object that will automagically create any accessors it is called with, and return the same thing?
21:15 jcamins          (no matter what the accessor)
21:16 rangi            im sure there is, but my brain is not telling me how
21:17 jcamins          Yeah, my brain decided that was too much thinking, so we moved on to plan b.
21:20 rangi            jcamins: i cant get the patch for bug 8581 to apply on master
21:20 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8581 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority display doesn't like GND records
21:20 rangi            atal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/authorities-search-results.inc).
21:20 rangi            Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge.
21:20 rangi            Cannot fall back to three-way merge
21:21 jcamins          rangi: did you apply bug 3462 first?
21:21 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Link see alsos in authorities
21:21 rangi            ahh probably not
21:22 * rangi          does
21:23 rangi            ah yep that was it
21:24 rangi            ohh easy peasy change
21:25 jcamins          Yeah. There's more needed, but that was the first thing I noticed.
21:33 rangi            signed off
21:34 jcamins          Okay...
21:35 jcamins          Putting multiple packages in one file screws up Test::MockModule.
21:35 * jcamins        wasn't expecting that.
21:36 rangi            why would we do that?
21:36 rangi            running out of filehandles? :)
21:38 jcamins          We wouldn't.
21:38 jcamins          IndexData would.
21:38 rangi            ahhh
21:38 rangi            maybe filehandles cost more in denmark
21:39 mgeist           Have a good evening all
21:39 rangi            cya mgeist
21:40 jcamins          Okay, got around that issue.
21:41 jcamins          ... for one brief, shining moment.
21:42 jcamins          Wait.
21:42 jcamins          I can do better than this.
21:43 jcamins          How do you do a switch statement in Perl?
21:44 jcamins          The non-deprecated, non-experimental way.
21:44 rangi            i dont
21:44 jcamins          Okay.
21:44 * jcamins        continues writing his ifelse statement.
21:44 rangi            but i think its given/when
21:45 rangi            which was added in 5.10
21:45 jcamins          No, that's experimental. There's another syntax which is allowed.
21:45 rangi            for
21:45 rangi            http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Switch-Statements
21:46 rangi            The foreach is the non-experimental way to set a topicalizer. I
21:46 jcamins          Thanks.
21:48 jcamins          Bwahahaha!!!!
21:48 * jcamins        figures out how to trick ZOOM into thinking it has Zebra.
21:48 rangi            :)
21:49 jcamins          Okay... this leaves one slight problem. How do I get the kohaclone directory from a test.
21:49 rangi            hmm?
21:49 rangi            config?
21:49 wahanui          well, config is still wrong.
21:51 jcamins          But that's presupposing that I have a koha-conf.xml.
21:56 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_3.8.x build #125: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/125/
21:56 * jcamins        learns about XS.
21:56 jenkins_koha     robin: Bug 8391: prevent error when viewing circ history with bad dates
21:56 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8391 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Cannot view reading record through staff client
21:56 jenkins_koha     Starting build #126 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:52 martian523       i have a question about fines, it seems like it's not working
22:52 martian523       a book is overdue, but fine is not showing up
22:53 rangi            what version of koha, and have you set up your rules? and have the cron job running, and have the fines mode set to calculate and charge?
22:53 martian523       version 3.8.1
22:53 martian523       set up my rules,
22:53 martian523       not sure about cron job
22:54 martian523       btw, i'm not an IT person
22:54 rangi            ah, how did you install?
22:54 rangi            or how did your it person install, using the debian packages? or from the tarball?
22:54 martian523       yeah
22:54 martian523       debian
22:54 rangi            from http://debian.koha-community.org/ ?
22:55 martian523       maybe
22:55 rangi            you will need to know for sure, either way, your IT person needs to check the cron job for the fines is running
22:55 martian523       i just found out about the cron job for email notices since i haven't received any automatic email notices
22:55 rangi            and you need to check in systempreferences
22:55 rangi            to see what finesmode is set to
22:56 martian523       we're still in the testing process
22:56 rangi            ah well they wont be charging unless you set them to :)
22:56 rangi            also, if you are still in testing, definitely upgrade to 3.8.3
22:57 rangi            lots and lots of bugs fixed between 3.8.1 and 3.8.3
22:58 jenkins_koha     Project Koha_3.8.x build #126: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/126/
22:58 jenkins_koha     tomascohen: Bug 8251 - Follow up, use 'day' instead of 'days' for Datetime::truncate
22:58 huginn           04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
23:01 martian523       thanks
23:02 rangi            if it was installed using debian.koha-community.org it should be a simple apt-get upgrade
23:03 martian523       ok, i'll tell IT to look into that
23:04 rangi            that was the most succesful mibbit interaction ever
23:17 rangi            jcamins: do you have a 3.6.7 install up and running anywhere?
23:19 jcamins          Depends what you want me to check. ;)
23:20 rangi            just try editing a notice
23:20 rangi            its not saving for me, and im pretty sure im running a stock 3.6.7 .. so wanted a second confirmation
23:22 jcamins          Hm.
23:22 jcamins          It worked for me.
23:22 rangi            dangit
23:22 jcamins          tools/letter.pl?
23:22 rangi            :)
23:22 rangi            yeah
23:22 rangi            well thats good in a way :)
23:23 rangi            thanks for checking
23:25 jcamins          You're welcome.
23:27 rangi            out of date en-nz templates, that was the problem
23:56 Judit            good morning