Time  Nick            Message
22:52 * jcamins       likes that requirement.
22:52 jcamins         '"Vibrant" did you mean' features. Heh.
21:30 jcamins         Less likely to confuse people. :)
21:30 jcamins         Or performances, but if your sons are going to join in anyway, might as well go to classes, right?
21:30 * cait          agrees on haka
21:30 jcamins         rangi: I suggest finding haka classes. :)
21:29 rangi           ok time to go find something to do with the kids
20:56 rangi           yep
20:55 rambutan        GIS maybe. Space imagery maybe.
20:54 rambutan        and space is winding down here in the US, of course
20:54 rambutan        hummm. I'm thinking when I leave here I really need to do something challenging. I'd like to work on space systems or something
20:54 rangi           http://tetakere.org.nz/index.php
20:53 rangi           :)
20:53 rangi           http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Council/Careers/Job-Vacancies/
20:53 rangi           want a job there?
20:52 rambutan        ah, well, I was reading it like that, but didn't think it would be so obvious
20:51 rangi           the
20:51 rambutan        hey rangi, what does the "Te" mean in Te Horowhenua Trust?
20:47 rangi           thats insane
20:47 rangi           i did watch synchronised diving
20:46 rangi           rambutan: yeah just cos you can doesnt mean you should, directors need to learn that
20:46 rangi           thats more like it
20:46 rangi           now its kenya kenya ethiopia kenya
20:46 rambutan        Yea, I like watching tennis too, but all the TV coverage invariably is of angles and zoom levels that annoy the h* out of me.
20:45 rangi           didnt watch any of the swimming this year, oh look its the same race again and again and again and agian
20:44 rangi           i flick between channels lots :)
20:44 rangi           and i watched all the archery
20:44 rangi           i saw the air pistol and small bore rifle too
20:43 rangi           316 out of 320 or something insane
20:43 cait            me too :)
20:43 rangi           the winner of the mens skeet hit some ridiculous thing
20:43 rangi           oh, yeah i saw that
20:43 rambutan        1 ex: shooting sports (US shooter (skeet I think) won her 5th gold this time--in 5 different olympics)
20:42 rangi           i was watching handball
20:42 rangi           we have 8 channels of live coverage, probably on one of those
20:41 wahanui         like is probably done all the time in the Lua community
20:41 rangi           like?
20:41 rambutan        I like the minor sports (which never get shown)
20:40 rangi           to me anyway
20:40 rangi           this is unexpected
20:40 rangi           hmm japan 1 and 2
20:38 rangi           i like the middle/long races
20:38 * rangi         is watching the 10,000m live
20:35 rangi           :)
20:32 jcamins         Well, he thinks I'm around at midnight on Fridays, so who could say? :P
20:32 jcamins         Right.
20:32 jcamins         Heh.
20:32 rangi           its 8.30am saturday, unlikely :)
20:31 jcamins         mtj: around?
20:31 cait            maximep++
20:26 maximep         have a good weekend everyone
20:26 maximep         koha' community is the best =)
20:17 oleonard        have a good weekend #koha
20:15 cait            lol
20:14 jcamins         Add an extra ten minutes to write^H^Hborrow^H^Hsteal a unit test, and you're done. :)
20:13 fcapovilla      We'll see when we get there. Maybe our client will prefer your method :P
20:12 jcamins         In fact, you could (no joke) copy and paste the code you added to the .pl into a copy of Koha/Filter/Null.pm, and have it working in ten minutes.
20:11 jcamins         fcapovilla: that's the idea. With the architecture in bug 8209 it's eeeeeasssssyyyyyyyy. :)
20:11 fcapovilla      The feature is already working on our client's instances, but in a future update we will have to use jcamins's patch. We might create a plugin for it if our client doesn't exactly like the way it works :P
20:10 jcamins         fcapovilla: the display is closer. However, in terms of what you were trying to get at, I think it's closer to 7417.
20:09 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:09 fcapovilla      It's closer to bug 8209
20:09 fcapovilla      Honestly, all my patch does is show search suggestions based on the search terms the user entered. It search into the "see from" of authorities to find its suggestions.
20:08 cait            ah
20:08 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:08 cait            bug 4240
20:08 rangi           :) too
20:08 rangi           :_
20:08 rangi           4240 otoh will do nothing
20:07 jcamins         fcapovilla: you should take a look at bug 7417. I think that will do what you want.
20:06 jcamins         fcapovilla: ah, I see you're online.
20:06 * jcamins       had to comment.
20:05 cait            I like your implementation too
20:05 jcamins         But then, I'm biased.
20:04 * jcamins       thinks he prefers his patches for bug 7417 and bug 8209. Offer far more options.
20:04 jcamins         I mean, different implementation, but same function.
20:03 jcamins         :D
20:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
20:02 jcamins         Actually, that's a duplicate of bug 7417.
20:02 oleonard        Not least because Bug 4240 was never properly submitted to Koha
20:02 * jcamins       consults the patch on bug 8571.
20:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
20:02 jcamins         Clearly bug 8571 isn't a duplicate of both of them.
20:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:01 jcamins_away    Bug 4240 and bug 8209 aren't similar at all.
19:44 maximep         =)
19:44 cait            hopefully :)
19:43 cait            but I think it#s not likely to break something, so I think it should be
19:43 cait            next
19:43 cait            it will go through qa
19:43 maximep         *do you
19:43 maximep         you think this will be in 3.10 ?
19:41 cait            maybe you could create your own plugin
19:41 cait            if it works very different my
19:34 fcapovilla      Looking at the diff, his patch seems a lot more complete than mine. Mine is just a simple authority search.
19:32 maximep         I guess you should try jcamins_away's patch fcapovilla
19:31 maximep         there's always a way to reuse some of the code
19:30 maximep         not really
19:30 oleonard        It's a waste of time if you code each version to completion and then have to throw one away
19:29 cait            :)
19:29 maximep         that's prety much the perl way to do it
19:29 maximep         but it's not a waste of time to have different ways to do the code and have the best win
19:29 cait            release early release often
19:28 cait            i guess a lot of them.
19:28 maximep         yeah that sucks :/
19:28 * oleonard      wonders how many hours the Koha project has lost to duplicated efforts
19:20 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
19:20 cait            bug 8209
19:18 cait            maximep: I tested jared's feature yesterday -  ireally like the way you can extend it
19:18 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
19:18 jwagner         It's also a duplicate of code we made available in Bug 4240, which is of course long out of date now
19:17 maximep         and couldn't share
19:16 oleonard        ??
19:16 maximep         yet another feature we did more than a year ago
19:15 maximep         damn.
19:10 cait            indeed
19:10 cait            hrm
19:07 wizzyrea        hrm
19:05 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
19:05 oleonard        Uh... jcamins_away, Bug 8571?
18:50 oleonard        Southeast Ohio git vortex
18:49 * oleonard      always seems to have this problem when others don't
18:49 gmcharlt        oleonard: not me
18:44 oleonard        anyone else having trouble fetching from git.koha-community.org?
18:31 khall           thus is life :P
18:31 cait            khall: mostly - as always not getting all done I would like to do :)
18:31 khall           no prob
18:31 khall           hey cait, hope everything is well over in your neck of the woods
18:31 cait            party?
18:30 oleonard        Thanks for testing khall
18:30 * cait          waves
18:30 khall           gotcha, thanks for the info!
18:29 * oleonard      suspects the attached patch is obsolete,but doesn't block testing of the bug
18:29 oleonard        khall: the patch is a follow-up of the work in the gitorious branch.
18:28 jcamins         Ooh, how nice. Apparently there was a party on the other server during the netsplit. Fortunate oleonard saved some hors d'oeuvres and a drink.
18:28 khall           just the attached patch
18:28 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
18:28 oleonard        Were you testing the patch on Bug 4048 or the gitorious branch?
18:27 khall           indeed
18:27 oleonard        khall around?
18:27 * oleonard      hands jcamins a plate of hors d'oeuvres and a drink with an umbrella in it
18:26 * jcamins       was on the server with almost no one attached. It was very dull.
18:25 jcamins         Yay!
17:58 mtompset        Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha.
17:58 mtompset        Maybe the reindex will be done (or have noticeably failed) later.
17:57 mtompset        give my system's low memory... I think sleep is in order.
17:56 gmcharlt        melia: you're welcome
17:56 mtompset        I'm sure we've all been there and done that too. :)
17:55 melia           oh good. thanks very much! I hate when I do something dumb and then can't fix it :)
17:55 gmcharlt        melia: I've deleted that attachment
17:51 melia           I'll ask rangi for help. thanks everyone!
17:50 mtompset        No, but someone who can may read IRC logs, before actually coming here.
17:50 oleonard        Why do you ask mtompset? You can't administer Bugzilla.
17:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8542 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <<today>> token produces a funny looking time on Reserves Slip
17:50 melia           bug 8542
17:50 mtompset        What's the bug number?
17:49 jcamins         Ah. Yeah. You could ask rangi. He might be able to delete it.
17:49 melia           it's just a scanned reserve slip, but I realized after I put it on there that I should have blacked out the patron name or something. I don't want to show his private info to the whole world, but now I can't get rid of it.
17:48 jcamins         Since it won't show up in git-bz, no one will try to apply it.
17:48 * mtompset      figures out why it is taking so long to reindex... LOW MEMORY!
17:47 melia           darn it. ok. I guess obsolete is better than nothing.
17:47 jcamins         melia: you can't delete an attachment, just mark it obsolete.
17:46 melia           I have a bugzilla question. I want to remove an attachment that I added to a bug, but I can't seem to make it go away.  I marked it obsolete, but you can still see it...
17:45 melia           hi #koha
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Bulk MARC biblio export script
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3383 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack
17:42 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/export.pl
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
17:42 jenkins_koha    * kyle: Bug 3383 - Followup - Switch from GetMemberDetails to GetMember
17:42 jenkins_koha    * kyle: Bug 3383 - Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 jenkins_koha    * jonathan.druart: Bug 7628: Escape '+' characters for categorycode
17:42 jenkins_koha    * veron: Bug 7628 - Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Make RSS icon styleable
17:42 jenkins_koha    * paul.poulain: Bug 8263 follow-up DBRev number
17:42 jenkins_koha    * m.de.rooy: 8263 Consistent stylesheet prefs
17:42 jenkins_koha    * m.de.rooy: 8263 Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent (dbrev)
17:42 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 8544 - make the RSS icon CSS-changeable
17:42 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #801: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/801/
17:37 jcamins         rambutan: thanks.
17:30 rambutan        jcamins: email to you
17:23 jcamins         It's worth a try, I suppose.
17:22 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
17:22 jcamins         That's why I asked on bug 8233 for an explanation.
17:22 mtompset        Should I try doing a CPAN on a VM, just to find out?
17:22 jcamins         No idea.
17:22 * jcamins       shrugs
17:22 mtompset        Why don't the compile?
17:22 jcamins         However, since they don't compile, don't hold your breath.
17:22 jcamins         mtompset: agreed.
17:21 mtompset        Oh, and the two perl dependencies that would be really nice on debian.koha-community.org are Data::Paginator and Data::Pagination
17:21 jcamins         mtompset: yeah, I had to reindex a 200k record database three times yesterday. It was very frustrating.
17:21 * mtompset      is waiting for zebra to reindex, "What a pain!"
17:11 mtompset        If anyone wants to comment on it, feel free.
17:10 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT *
17:10 mtompset        Hmmm.... well, paul_p is on vacation... (or will be shortly, and I am too tired to think about bug 8329
17:07 mtompset        and one was mine... hence the +'s before. :)
17:06 jcamins         And two of them are on my patches. :)
17:05 mtompset        Wow! khall has the last 5 signoffs. Way to go for productivity. :)
17:04 mtompset        --yet.
17:03 jcamins         Since you don't do fines, you should be fine with 3.8, I think.
17:03 * jcamins       won't be upgrading to 3.10 any time soon.
17:02 mtompset        ^just^jump^
17:02 mtompset        I don't want to have to upgrade again, because I didn't just to 3.8.x
17:02 mtompset        The problem is I head back early november... just before 3.10 is released.
17:01 mtompset        that single div is a lifesaver!
17:01 mtompset        Yes. there are markup changes.
17:01 jcamins         In that case, no, it won't be going into 3.6.x.
17:00 jcamins         Oh, I didn't realize there were markup changes.
17:00 jcamins         I won't be backporting it to 3.6.x because it offers very little benefit.
17:00 oleonard        It requires some markup changes
17:00 jcamins         You could just steal the staff-global.css file from 3.8.x.
16:59 mtompset        Think you could get gradient in 3.6.8?
16:58 mtompset        because gradient makes my styling life a lot easier!
16:58 * jcamins       is sticking with 3.6.x for another few releases.
16:58 jcamins         You could do that.
16:58 mtompset        I'm wondering if instead of upgrading to 3.6.7we should jump to 3.8.x just after the 22nd.
16:57 jcamins         August 22, I imagine.
16:57 jcamins         dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
16:57 jcamins         Dashboard?
16:57 mtompset        When will the next 3.8.x be out?
16:53 jcamins         But a convenient one.
16:53 jcamins         Yup.
16:53 mtompset        because we all know the koha-rebuild-zebra really is a wrapper.
16:51 mtompset        well, one advantage of the package install is access to all those debianist scripts. :)
16:50 jcamins         sudo
16:49 mtompset        sudo or no sudo?
16:49 jcamins         But there's an 'i' in "cooperation"!
16:49 jcamins         teamwork, yes.
16:49 mtompset        you mean teamwork.
16:49 jcamins         koha-rebuild-zebra --full cooperation
16:49 mtompset        Seeing as there is no 'koha' user.
16:49 mtompset        Yes. And the best way to reindex is?
16:48 jcamins         mtompset: you will, of course, need to reindex if you didn't yet.
16:47 mtompset        I suppose I should attempt a search
16:47 mtompset        But, that's a job for TOMORROW (or next week)
16:47 mtompset        Just have to tweak the right version of staff-global for the job. :)
16:46 jcamins         Yay!
16:46 mtompset        Yep... All is good.
16:46 mtompset        No... just clear the syspref, and all should be good.
16:45 jcamins         Alt-shift-refresh?
16:44 mtompset        That's why it is screwy.
16:44 mtompset        Yes, but my tweaked staff-global is from 3.6.3
16:44 mtompset        No, I didn't overwrite... I used the syspref. :)
16:44 jcamins         mtompset: Firebug will tell you where the setting comes from.
16:43 mtompset        That's why it is weird.
16:43 mtompset        I have my staff-global pointed to a tweaked version via a syspref.
16:42 oleonard        http://screencast.com/t/o9aXHtwNsRT
16:42 mtompset        Ah... okay... let me turn off that syspref.
16:42 oleonard        It does say. Not sure if yours is configured differently?
16:41 oleonard        staff-global.css (line 195)
16:41 mtompset        It doesn't say which CSS it is in.
16:41 oleonard        Right-click, inspect in Firebug
16:41 oleonard        Firebug gives you the answer :)
16:40 mtompset        Hence the question.
16:40 mtompset        Yes.
16:40 oleonard        mtompset: got Firebug?
16:40 mtompset        under staff-client
16:40 jcamins         mtompset: probably opac.css?
16:39 mtompset        where is gradient CSS'd?
16:38 jenkins_koha    Starting build #801 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 1 mo 0 days ago)
16:35 wizzyrea        there, that's a much prettier dependencies page.
16:33 jcamins         And if they're concerned enough to ask, we'll tell them not to worry about it.
16:33 jcamins         They'll survive.
16:33 mtompset        Yes, but that would freak someone out.
16:33 jcamins         That means something was backported to 3.6.x.
16:33 jcamins         You can ignore all those duplicate messages.
16:32 mtompset        [Sat Aug 4 00:28:29 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry '545' for key 'PRIMARY' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4618.
16:32 mtompset        [Sat Aug 4 00:28:28 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'patronreason' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4586.
16:32 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=322a9c7fbbcf456084d1937f48345b3cdec058ce> / Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5e6fb7227d4d30818ca013f0d2cf9bde60fcc25> / Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/export.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
16:32 mtompset        update errors.
16:32 jcamins         After the initial inconvenience of importing a package install, you'll never have to worry about it again.
16:32 jcamins         Happens to me every time I use a dev or tarball install.
16:31 jcamins         Yup.
16:31 mtompset        I have had that happen... just had to wait for the process to finish running.
16:31 jcamins         It will, but it doesn't matter.
16:31 mtompset        I hope my web page doesn't time out on the upgrade.
16:30 mtompset        That was a journey and a half.
16:30 jcamins         :)
16:29 mtompset        YAY! Web installer page.
16:28 mtompset        I see what you mean about the zebra password and the koha password.
16:27 mtompset        Ah... THERE'S the password.
16:27 jcamins         mtompset: I'm not sure. But it's worth trying again.
16:26 paul_p          and leaving for vacation !
16:26 paul_p          http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-9-2012-07/ => RM newsletter published.
16:24 mtompset        do I need a grant all too?
16:20 jcamins         CREATE USER 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'samepass';
16:20 mtompset        Right.
16:20 mtompset        AH!
16:20 jcamins         That was patched for the next version.
16:20 jcamins         You need to do an extra CREATE USER thanks to the stupid anonymous login feature.
16:19 mtompset        Yes.
16:19 jcamins         (Ubuntu)
16:19 jcamins         Are you on 12.04?
16:19 jcamins         Wait.
16:19 jcamins         Ah. Hm.
16:18 mtompset        I didn't even get a login prompt.
16:18 jcamins         Which won't work no matter how many times you try.
16:18 jcamins         mtompset: it's easy to get confused and try to log in using the Zebra credentials.
16:17 mtompset        Let me check... because I didn't edit the xml file at all.
16:17 jcamins         And you're using the correct password according to koha-conf.xml?
16:17 mtompset        Whatever it generated.
16:16 mtompset        No, I didn't.
16:16 jcamins         Did you change the password?
16:16 mtompset        I didn't try to set any funky password or anything.
16:16 mtompset        [off] Access denied for user 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758.
16:16 jcamins         mtompset: why?
16:16 mtompset        Okay... something went wrong...
16:09 mtompset        The includes must really shrink it.
16:09 mtompset        wow... that's a small apache site configuration file.
16:07 mtompset        *cringes*
16:07 mtompset        that's a lot of CPAN'ing.
16:07 mtompset        18 including the optional ones.
16:06 mtompset        and that's with EPEL enabled.
16:06 mtompset        There are like 18 missing libraries under CentOS 6.3
16:05 mtompset        Bye, gaetan_B
16:05 mtompset        I was refering to .... (in a hushed voice) RPM-base distributions.
16:05 gaetan_B        bye !
16:04 oleonard        We say yum all the time. Usually in reference to jcamins' lunch.
16:04 mtompset        Yes, I said 'yum' in the midst of an 'apt-get' crowd. :P
16:03 mtompset        It's a necessary change for a yum install script I was working on. :)
16:03 khall           glad to assist!
16:03 mtompset        Thanks. :)
16:03 mtompset        khall++
16:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
16:02 mtompset        Sweet! Bug 8485 is signed off.
16:02 mtompset        Oh. :(
16:01 jcamins         They don't build.
16:01 jcamins         mtompset: nope.
16:01 mtompset        Yes, I know they are optional.
16:01 mtompset        are the two datapaginator ones in k-c.org yet?
16:01 mtompset        and that reminds me...
16:01 mtompset        Template::Plugin::HtmlToText... I think.
16:00 mtompset        And the capitalization on that name is wrong, but you get the idea.
16:00 wizzyrea        yep
16:00 mtompset        (apt-get update;apt-get upgrade...)
15:59 mtompset        blah blah blah... you know the drill. :)
15:59 mtompset        do the wget for the key.
15:59 mtompset        go there... add the squeeze-dev.
15:58 wahanui         packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:58 mtompset        packages?
15:58 wizzyrea        ah so
15:58 jcamins         ^^ that one
15:58 mtompset        doesn't exist in Ubuntu.
15:58 mtompset        template::plugin::htmltotext
15:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: you'll still need debian.k-c.org for dependencies.
15:58 wizzyrea        I was looking at dependencies and stuffs
15:58 wizzyrea        not packagess
15:58 wizzyrea        naw it's a dev install
15:57 jcamins         I'm not sure they do, actually.
15:57 mtompset        Which reminds me...
15:57 mtompset        Which hasn't made it into the wiki yet.
15:57 mtompset        you probably want to make sure you have the k-c.org repo added.
15:57 wizzyrea        looks happy though
15:57 wizzyrea        it's 12.04
15:56 wizzyrea        wanted to know if there were any things I should be aware of
15:56 wizzyrea        no, because I was updating my dev install on my laptop and
15:56 wizzyrea        sekkrits ;)
15:56 wizzyrea        the logo is included in the tm I believe
15:56 mtompset        wizzyrea: why were you looking for koha on ubuntu?
15:54 oleonard        The name, yes, but the logo too?
15:54 oleonard        So wait, who says PTFS has a trademark on the Koha logo?
15:53 jcamins         :)
15:53 wahanui         yw
15:53 jcamins         thx wahanui?
15:53 jcamins         thx wahanui is <reply> yw
15:53 wizzyrea        thx wahanui
15:53 wahanui         well, koha on ubuntu is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:53 wizzyrea        koha on ubuntu?
15:45 * mtompset      waits for the tables to all get imported.
15:45 kf              bye all, have a nice weekend ! :)
15:40 mtompset        okay... running the SQL script now. :)
15:40 * mtompset      high fives eythian.
15:37 eythian         leave it for tomorrow, eh?
15:29 * jcamins       won't be rewriting the cataloguing module just now.
15:29 * mtompset      grins, "Another sub-project."
15:28 wahanui         it has been said that jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:28 mtompset        jcamins?
15:27 jcamins         mtompset: I'm not saying I can't use it, I'm saying it's awful.
15:27 mtompset        But, jcamins, you are the hemi-semi-demi cataloguing deity. ;)
15:27 jcamins         I keep on hoping it'll be less unpleasant one day, but I don't see it.
15:27 jcamins         You know, the cataloguing module is still painful to use.
15:25 rambutan        I'm sure they would need tech support for those trips
15:25 jcamins         A bit of a schlep.
15:25 jcamins         Hehe.
15:25 rambutan        yea, maybe we could service Canada?
15:25 mtompset        drive your bookmobile outside of the US? I really don't know a solution.
15:23 rambutan        mtompset: to promote Koha. Evangelism.
15:22 rambutan        well, sometime the problem is going to have to be resolved
15:22 rambutan        I don't know the solution for sure, but if we have to rename "Koha" to "Tinkerbell" and start all over with a clear statement of licensing,
15:22 mtompset        Yes, but your bookmobile isn't an installation of Koha, so why would you want to paint the logo on it?
15:21 rambutan        this is a community problem.
15:21 rambutan        I had wanted to paint the logo on our upcoming bookmobile, but we can't because of the trademark
15:20 rambutan        the problem is that PTFS owns the Koha logo trademark/copyright in the US
15:20 rambutan        OK, I've got vinegar in my system so....
15:19 wizzyrea        the problem could have been fixed many times over.
15:19 wizzyrea        yea, it's not up to the community to fix the problem.
15:16 rambutan        [off] problem with Koha and logo trademark/copyright
15:15 wahanui         it has been said that problem is its human beings doing it
15:15 jcamins         What problem?
15:15 rambutan        The community really really needs to fix this problem.
15:15 rambutan        daem, I'm dealing with the logo issue right now myself. I could have had some input
15:09 jcamins         You too.
15:09 Woody           Anyways time to load up GIMP and get to work. Have a great weekend everyone
15:08 jcamins         :)
15:08 Woody           Once it's complete perhaps I'll stop by again to drop off the link
15:08 jcamins         I'd be interested to see your OPAC design once you've finished it.
15:07 Woody           haha deal
15:07 jcamins         Oh, one thing you shouldn't do with the logo: choose ugly colors! ;)
15:07 Woody           No problem. Thanks for all your help :-)
15:07 mtompset        Thanks for using Koha. :)
15:07 jcamins         Makes sense.
15:07 Woody           Whelp, I'll try it out, and if I hear of any complaints I'll just switch it back.
15:07 jcamins         Also purple in some places.
15:06 mtompset        Not to mention... it is green in other places.
15:06 Woody           Makes sense.
15:06 jcamins         I think you just can't use the logo for something other than Koha.
15:06 Woody           the GPL is a bit vague on modifying trademarked logos.
15:06 jcamins         :)
15:06 jcamins         Hehe. I thought it was a refresh when trying to get to a different page.
15:06 eythian         <jcamins> Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:05 mtompset        jcamins commented further.
15:05 Woody           awesome. Firefox just quit on me. Anyone post an answer in the 30 seconds I was gone?
15:05 * mtompset      grins.
15:05 jcamins         Whoops. Someone hit refresh.
15:04 jcamins         Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:04 mtompset        I don't know.
15:04 mtompset        Isn't it all released under GPL? I would think colour changes would be okay.
15:04 Woody           or must it stay black?
15:03 Woody           haha I wish. But for serious, I'm using the Koha logo on a public library website, am I allowed to change the colour of the logo to better match our website's theme?
15:03 wahanui         my pleasure jcamins
15:03 jcamins         Thanks, wahanui.
15:03 * mtompset      laughs, "Silly bot!"
15:03 wahanui         i guess the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
15:03 jcamins         What's the answer?
15:03 wahanui         the question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
15:03 mtompset        What's the question?
15:03 mtompset        Maybe. :)
15:02 Woody           quick question for someone in regards to the Koha logo
15:02 jcamins         Yup.
15:01 mtompset        as the repo, so I'm assuming it will be 3.8.x
15:01 mtompset        I set up squeeze.
15:01 mtompset        Yes, there were over 200+ things to install.
15:01 eythian         yeah, there's only about 3 or 4 other things in there anyway
15:01 jcamins         Are you installing 3.6.x or 3.8.x?
15:01 eythian         oh right
15:01 jcamins         mtompset: that sounds about right.
15:01 jcamins         eythian: from the k-c.org repo, not in general.
15:01 mtompset        This is a fresh VM.
15:01 mtompset        No install.
15:00 mtompset        Nope...
15:00 eythian         normally it's more like 100+
15:00 eythian         not surprising if you already had an isntall on that box
15:00 mtompset        interestingly enough only 3 things installed from the debian.koha-community.org when I was doing the apt-get install koha-common.
14:59 jcamins         mtompset: that is correct.
14:59 jcamins         Though, really the way they ensure you don't hoist yourself on your own petard makes packages worthwhile in my eyes.
14:59 mtompset        I'm assuming koha-mysql is any time after the koha-create?
14:58 mtompset        But I want to get a package install done first.
14:58 mtompset        Thanks for the tip.
14:58 mtompset        eythian++
14:58 jcamins         Yeah, koha-mysql is pretty awesome.
14:57 eythian         you won't when you discover "koha-mysql"
14:57 mtompset        okay... since the passwd thing failed to work for me... gone..
14:55 mtompset        Don't look at me... I'm liking tarballs. ;)
14:54 eythian         it really needs to be made more robust
14:54 mtompset        so I had to kill the daemon manually, and delete the user.
14:54 mtompset        I did a koha-remove... and it failed.
14:54 mtompset        Yes, it got confused.
14:53 eythian         ah
14:53 mtompset        Oops... I meant use;
14:53 eythian         oh duh :)
14:53 mtompset        No those are prompts.
14:53 eythian         also your user is in the wrong place
14:53 eythian         mtompset: I wouldn't, your < is the wrong way around
14:53 eythian         jcamins: shortcut for source
14:53 mtompset        I'll probably... mysql -u ... -p .... > user koha_...; > source db.sql;
14:53 eythian         mtompset: yes. 'sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop' kills it (though maybe it gets confused if something failed.)
14:50 jcamins         '\.' ?
14:50 mtompset        the koha-zebra-daemon was running as the user I couldn't delete.
14:50 eythian         '\.' is probably safter though
14:49 jcamins         You could also use SOURCE, of course.
14:49 jcamins         Uhhh... I generally just use mysql < filename.sql
14:49 eythian         you want: mysql -u ..... -p < file.sql
14:48 mtompset        is import the correct SQL command, jcamins?
14:46 mtompset        true
14:46 eythian         (especially if you want to be changing db names or something)
14:46 mtompset        True...
14:45 eythian         it's also a billion times easier to restore.
14:45 jcamins         And oh-so-much-more dangerous. :)
14:45 mtompset        -a is shorter than a db name. :P
14:45 eythian         isn't it easier to just dump one?
14:45 mtompset        And... if I dump just the one DB... it should be simple enough.
14:44 mtompset        if you have to edit a file, the install is too complex. :)
14:44 mtompset        no file editing.
14:44 mtompset        actually, the build step in the tarball is what sets it.
14:43 mtompset        Though, we decided to got with lzma's, not gz's. :)
14:43 jcamins         Plus, it's not like you can't just set the db/user/password to whatever you want by editing the koha-conf.xml file, same as you do with a tarball install.
14:43 mtompset        I was trying to be lazy and not have to dump just one db for this process... reuse is good sometimes. :)
14:42 jcamins         That's my feeling, anyway.
14:42 jcamins         Sure, it's fine for a backup, but don't use it for anything less than a full restore.
14:41 mtompset        I was already doing that for full backup purposes.
14:41 jcamins         You're bringing along cruft and baggage from an old system.
14:41 jcamins         At least, that's how I see it.
14:40 * jcamins       doesn't buy it. Dumping all your databases is just plain a bad idea.
14:39 mtompset        anything to git or tarball installs seem much easier than anything to package installs. In the former, a full dump will work. In the latter, you must trim it to just the koha database.
14:37 eythian         it would create a default user, yeah
14:36 mtompset        but then the script would set up the kohauser and such on the default.sql.gz file
14:35 eythian         (unless you provide the default.sql.gz file)
14:35 jcamins         mtompset: yes, same as the tarball.
14:35 eythian         it has to
14:35 eythian         yeah
14:35 mtompset        the packages install leaves the koha instance database empty until you do a web install?
14:33 mtompset        I will also help me tweak the Koha on Ubuntu wiki page to better reflect problems. And to warn people, "Don't follow this if you are doing a packages install!"
14:31 mtompset        I want to understand the differences in install types.
14:31 mtompset        This is why I'm trying a packages install.
14:29 * wizzyrea      waves
14:28 jcamins         Right. If nothing else, crontabs will be different. As we saw on the mailing list, this can cause no end of confusion when you try to "fix" it.
14:27 mtompset        So... off to trim mysqldump to just one DB.
14:27 mtompset        And clearly I can't expect.
14:26 jcamins         It makes you expect that other settings are going to be exactly the same.
14:26 jcamins         Other than a full backup, I don't think there is any reason to dump all your databases, including mysql.
14:25 mtompset        -- that came out wrong.
14:25 jcamins         Import file.sql into koha_mylibrary.
14:25 mtompset        Yes... I'll have to limit my dump.
14:25 jcamins         koha-create --create-db mylibrary
14:25 mtompset        It must not be easy.
14:25 jcamins         mysqldump kohadb > file.sql
14:24 mtompset        I'm failing.
14:24 jcamins         Right, that's very easy.
14:24 mtompset        and get it into a koha-common install.
14:24 mtompset        Trying to take data from production tarball install...
14:24 mtompset        Not trying to clone.
14:24 jcamins         If you are trying to clone an entire system, you should just use some sort of system imaging software.
14:24 mtompset        jcamins, I figured that much out.
14:23 jcamins         If you are transferring Koha, just use the DB.
14:23 jcamins         mtompset: I'm not sure what you're doing, but that's not the right way to do it.
14:23 eythian         just dump the koha db you want
14:23 eythian         then don't do that.
14:23 mtompset        (hence mysql, etc.)
14:23 mtompset        they do if they are just a dump of every DB.
14:23 eythian         db dumps don't have passwords
14:23 mtompset        It won't match the db dump's password.
14:22 jcamins         Which will be random, as it should be.
14:22 jcamins         mtompset: what do you mean? koha-create creates the password.
14:22 eythian         mtompset: it makes a password
14:22 eythian         sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop will stop its processes
14:22 jcamins         I would agree with eythian.
14:22 mtompset        But then the password won't match.
14:22 eythian         I still think you're better off just loading a db dump into the database.
14:22 mtompset        it says it's logged in.
14:22 jcamins         Why can't you delete the user?
14:21 mtompset        I suppose I really like tarballs right about now. :)
14:20 mtompset        Yes, I filled it out, and it didn't work as I expected.
14:20 jcamins         Hey, the passwd file allows you to specify a database, too. I forgot about that because I don't use it.
14:19 mtompset        and now I have a user I can't delete.
14:19 mtompset        created it like I told it nothing.
14:19 jcamins         What did it do?
14:19 mtompset        It didn't.
14:19 jcamins         That's how it works for me.
14:19 jcamins         Okay, that's a reasonable expectation.
14:18 mtompset        I was it expect it to read the passwd file for the information.
14:18 jcamins         (warning: the issue is probably with A)
14:17 jcamins         A) what were you expecting, and B) what did it do?
14:16 mtompset        Nope... not what I expected...
14:14 mtompset        Let's see what it did...
14:14 mtompset        dropped the --database, koha-create worked.
14:14 jcamins         Oh, that should work fine, then. I use a koha.passwd file.
14:14 * magnuse       wanders off into the deep woods
14:13 mtompset        I'm assuming it is the format mentioned on the wiki page.
14:13 mtompset        Yes, but I created the file.
14:13 eythian         oh, yeah.
14:13 jcamins         eythian: that still requires a file.  You can't just add extra parameters.
14:13 mtompset        koha-create doesn't recognize --database even though the man page has it.
14:12 eythian         jcamins: with --passwdfile
14:12 jcamins         Yes, but not on the command line.
14:12 mtompset        passwdfile
14:12 jcamins         --database is valid, but I don't see any way to specify username/password.
14:12 mtompset        so then I did a koha-remove <first item>
14:11 eythian         hwoever, --database should work I think
14:11 eythian         (as in, without option names)
14:11 mtompset        that's what I did the first time.
14:11 eythian         I was imagining that you just chucked them on to the end
14:11 eythian         oh right, I forgot about those.
14:10 mtompset        Hmmm... man page says --database is a valid parameter.
14:08 eythian         koha-create doesn't understand extra paremeters
14:08 eythian         mtompset: you can't do that like that
14:08 mtompset        because I wanted to match the user name, db name, and password to the exist DB that I have.
14:08 jcamins         mtompset: why did you have an extra parameter?
14:07 mtompset        koha-create didn't catch that I had an extra parameter. DOH!
14:05 wahanui         jcamins: i'm not following you...
14:05 jcamins         wahanui: good, this time.
14:04 wahanui         interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:04 jcamins         Interesting.
14:02 oleonard        jcamins: See also http://css-tricks.com/return-false-and-prevent-default/ if you want to go deeper
14:01 mtompset        Here goes nothing.
14:01 mtompset        So run the koha-create before I even try to get the DB in... okay.
14:00 jcamins         joubu++ # I didn't realize you could prevent links from causing the page to scroll to the top
14:00 jcamins         Ooh.
14:00 eythian         mtompset: also, just import the db dump after you've set things up. It'll ensure everything is nice and consistent.
13:59 eythian         mtompset: you make one up
13:59 jcamins         mtompset: no, you have to choose one.
13:58 mtompset        I noticed the page doesn't specify the instance name for the koha-create. Will koha-create prompt for one?
13:57 mtompset        I've got a 3.6.3 db that I want to import.
13:55 mtompset        Or doing data entry.
13:55 mtompset        Importing MARC data.
13:55 mtompset        But most of the time, you are starting from scratch.
13:53 eythian         It needs to be a bit less prominent, that mention of the passwd file. It's not really used most of the time.
13:53 mtompset        Well, it seems like a good time to test it then. ;)
13:53 eythian         yeah, I think. I've never used that file.
13:52 mtompset        unless otherwise specified in the /etc/koha/passwd file?
13:50 eythian         it does, in the sense that the dbname is derived from it
13:48 mtompset        it has no relation to the dbname?
13:48 eythian         mtompset: instance name is the name of your library, or whatever
13:47 mtompset        or does instance name = db name?
13:47 mtompset        Do I even know an instance name before I run koha-create?
13:46 huginn          kf: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 11:27 PM, October 04, 2009)
13:46 kf              @quote random
13:46 wahanui         i already had it that way, huginn.
13:46 huginn          kf: Quote #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!" (added by druthb at 09:39 PM, January 25, 2011)
13:46 kf              @quote random
13:45 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
13:45 gmcharlt        @quote random
13:44 eythian         either works, probably delete line
13:43 mtompset        empty string, or delete line?
13:43 eythian         yeah, just if you want it
13:43 mtompset        Okay... so then I shouldn't have a default.sql.gz... okay
13:42 eythian         yeah
13:41 mtompset        Initial dummy data.
13:41 mtompset        Ah.
13:41 eythian         default.sql.gz is intended if you have a template you like to include on all your initial instances.
13:40 mtompset        how does that relate to the default.sql.gz?
13:40 eythian         it's pretty easy
13:40 eythian         just import the dump, I mean
13:40 mtompset        Then how would I get the data in?
13:40 eythian         or, setting everything up and having the packages set up the db then importing the content into it
13:40 mtompset        oh?
13:40 eythian         I recommend not doing that
13:39 mtompset        From our existing system.
13:39 mtompset        I now have a DB which I want to use.
13:39 mtompset        I edit'd the file with .localdomain as suggested.
13:39 mtompset        I've got the koha-common installed
13:38 mtompset        Anyways... okay, I'm a little stuck now.
13:38 mtompset        At least under Ubuntu.
13:35 eythian         hmm, I've not noticed that
13:34 mtompset        yes, but if I apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... the kernel is typically held back.
13:31 eythian         and trhen when it makes everything installed, it does updates at the same time
13:31 eythian         Well, presumably part of the process triggers an apt update
13:28 mtompset        what IS triggering.
13:28 mtompset        But seeing as the kernel is NOT listed in the install set, I don't know what it triggering it to show up in the list of things to install.
13:27 eythian         But I can't see it forcing the kernel devs to sit down and make a new one for you just to install koha with :)
13:27 mtompset        right.
13:27 eythian         Well, if you have apt stuff happening, and a kernel update is available I could see it prompting you.
13:26 mtompset        that may give you clues why. I haven't had time to make sense of it.
13:26 mtompset        take a look at install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages
13:26 mtompset        when you do the build from the tarball, it triggers some package somewhere that triggers a kernel upgrade.
13:25 mtompset        dselect may.
13:25 eythian         the tarball doesn't even know what apt or a kernel is
13:25 eythian         but it can't
13:24 mtompset        I haven't tried to figure out why, but it does.
13:24 eythian         how would the tarball do that?
13:23 eythian         what?
13:23 mtompset        because the tarball did?
13:23 eythian         ...why would it?
13:22 mtompset        Interesting... the koha-common didn't force a kernel upgrade on me. :)
13:14 mtompset        I'm tinkering with a koha-common install. What are you up to today?
13:11 tcohen          hi mtompset
13:11 mtompset        Good day, tcohen.
13:10 mtompset        I really dislike that... So slow. :)
13:10 mtompset        NOOOOOO! Not triggers for man-db!
13:09 eythian         Sorta :)
13:09 mtompset        so it's your own fault? ;)
13:09 eythian         (that I'd fixed, but that caused the encoding to get confused)
13:08 eythian         turns out to be actual bad data from a strange earlier incarnation of the database
13:08 magnuse         yay
13:08 eythian         fixed the double encoding problem
13:08 eythian         pinning is more about picking newer versions of things from one repo without taking everything
13:07 mtompset        https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto the Apt/Dpkg method is a different syntax to what you linked to, but the same thing generally.
13:05 eythian         (also, I think pinning is the wrong term actually)
13:05 eythian         http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html <-- mtompset, 7.12. I use the first method
13:04 magnuse         *koha-conf.xml
13:04 magnuse         hm, on 3.8.3 when memcached is activated it's supposed to re-read koha-con.xml every 10 minutes or something, right?
13:02 mtompset        pin it?
13:02 * oleonard      waves
13:01 kf              oleonard++
13:01 eythian         although, it's better to pin it
13:01 eythian         yeah
12:59 mtompset        since koha-common comes from k-c.org, if I disable that repo, I could do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade without actually triggering a koha upgrade, correct?
12:57 mtompset        That would be a good enhancement.
12:56 eythian         yeah, sorta. One of these days I'm going to have it ask questions on installation to pre-populate that.
12:55 mtompset        which is why you need to edit the koha-sites.conf, because the pre-built version reads that to set things up.
12:54 eythian         like all packages
12:54 eythian         right
12:54 mtompset        Because it is pre-built.
12:53 mtompset        So, this install won't have any directory from which to build.
12:53 eythian         yeah, that happens on my machine, not on yours
12:52 mtompset        perl Makefile.PL; make; make test; sudo make install
12:51 eythian         what do you mean by builld. because I think it's different to what I mean
12:50 mtompset        Ooooh! configuration step of package does the build.
12:50 eythian         build all happens when the packages are created
12:49 eythian         no
12:49 mtompset        Or is there still a build step?
12:49 eythian         yeah
12:48 mtompset        So, does an upgrade simply become a matter of sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade for future installs?
12:47 mtompset        Okay, that may come in handy.
12:47 eythian         dpkg -L koha-common will give you all the details
12:47 eythian         it does, when the packages are built
12:47 eythian         but mostly under /usr/share/koha
12:47 mtompset        I'm assuming the koha-common has no perl Makefile.PL step?
12:46 eythian         it varies
12:46 mtompset        So... back to my long question... where are the files after an apt-get install koha-common?
12:45 mtompset        Sorry I can't help more.
12:45 * mtompset      nods.
12:45 eythian         well, in production, not in my test env
12:45 eythian         yeah
12:44 mtompset        Ah... the mysql server is on a different machine?
12:44 eythian         no, it's because I'm not a DBA so don't have access to our database server :)
12:43 * mtompset      grins.
12:43 * mtompset      shrugs, "That's Debian for ya."
12:42 eythian         hmm, setting the client details doesn't work on my setup (and I can't modify the server details)
12:42 mtompset        (both are similar... a directory name I choose)
12:42 mtompset        When I do a git install... I know where the files are...
12:42 mtompset        When I do a tarball install... I know where the files are.
12:34 mtompset        totally messes up the collation.
12:34 mtompset        The client-handshake...
12:34 mtompset        That's why I wrote that messy long section.
12:33 mtompset        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#MySQL
12:33 mtompset        Oh... that's the other thing...
12:33 eythian         my tables are all CHARSET=utf8 however.
12:32 eythian         nothing obvious in there
12:31 mtompset        That's where I'd go first.
12:30 mtompset        the my.cnf
12:30 eythian         I wonder what's changed...
12:30 eythian         yeah, I have a lot of latin1 in there
12:30 mtompset        That's wrong!
12:30 eythian         how odd
12:30 eythian         | collation_server     | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian         | collation_database   | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian         | collation_connection | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:29 eythian         oh ah
12:29 mtompset        not SELECT.
12:29 eythian         :)
12:29 eythian         ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'variables' in 'field list'
12:29 mtompset        SHOW
12:29 eythian         > SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%";
12:29 mtompset        OOPS...
12:28 mtompset        It's valid MySQL.
12:28 mtompset        what do you mean it isn't valid SQL.
12:26 mtompset        (add to it)
12:26 mtompset        Well, if I have problems... I'm going to flush it out.
12:26 eythian         mtompset: itk allows for processes to change their user id
12:26 mtompset        what's the difference between apache2-mpm-worker and apache2-mpm-itk?
12:26 eythian         mtompset: at the moment, the packages wiki page is more a reference than a guide.
12:26 eythian         mtompset: that's not valid SQL, so it looks like an error :)
12:22 mtompset        I'm hoping this package install goes well... I already fear there are gaps in the wiki page.
12:14 * mtompset      grins.
12:11 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@jransom just FYI= hacking #kohails now, not watching TV. Just following news from website from time to time ;-) #vacationNotYetButIn4Hours"
11:56 mtompset        My brain wasn't working that day. Forgot to look for a koha-docs mailing list, or your email on bug reports or other messages in other groups.
11:55 mtompset        I apologize... it was FB.
11:55 nengard         mtompset I don't think I did ? was it here? or email? I didn't check my email yet :)
11:53 mtompset        There... Koha 3.2 and 3.4 now redirect to 3.8
11:51 mtompset        or two...
11:49 mtompset        Which reminds me... I need to fix another double redirection.
11:44 mtompset        Did you get my message from the other day about Appendix G?
11:44 nengard         it's just me
11:44 nengard         nope, i'm done training
11:44 nengard         hello all
11:43 kf              mtompset: hm maybe, but jcamins dev comes with unit tests too :)
11:42 mtompset        Do you come with catalogers? :)
11:42 mtompset        Greetings, nengard.
11:40 mtompset        Is there a way to WWW::Mechanize the test plan? ;)
11:33 jcamins         I do. :)
11:31 kf              jcamins: do you approve of my notes and test plan?
11:31 kf              jcamins: I did :)
11:23 mtompset        double redirections don't work.
11:23 mtompset        There... fixed it to redirect properly.
11:21 wahanui         packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:21 mtompset        packages?
11:20 mtompset        Tonight's challenge... a package install under Ubuntu. :)
11:20 mtompset        Greetings, jcamins.
11:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
11:16 jcamins         kf: glad to see you approved of bug 8209.
11:16 jcamins         o/
11:13 kf              encoding problems on a friday afternoon?
10:58 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8385 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , searchengine/solr/indexes.tt fails 'prove ./xt/tt_valid.t' test
10:58 jenkins_koha    jonathan.druart: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy
10:58 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #800: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/800/
10:55 mtompset        And what SELECT variables LIKE "%char%"; looks like.
10:55 mtompset        I wonder what SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%"; looks like.
10:54 mtompset        Nasty.
10:54 mtompset        double encoding thing?
10:37 eythian         I wonder why it's showing up for us then...
10:37 eythian         hmm
10:36 magnuse         eythian: a couple of searches for common norwegian words with "norwegian" letters in them does not reveal any problems, but it might be better hidden...
10:31 eythian         It's the second person who's reported this
10:29 eythian         results too
10:28 magnuse         is it only on the detail display, or in result lists too?
10:28 magnuse         i have not seen it, but i have not looked for it either...
10:27 magnuse         ah
10:25 eythian         it's correct in the database
10:24 eythian         http://imgur.com/2duaq <-- magnuse, this
10:22 magnuse         eythian: what strange behaviour are you seeing?
09:55 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a281ac8df55032c7849aba711b961c19fe534306>
09:54 jenkins_koha    Starting build #800 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 29 days ago)
09:52 eythian         it's doing that double-enconding thing sometimes.
09:52 eythian         Anyone had Koha 3.8.3 behaving strange with diacritics/smart quotes?
09:49 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6448 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , EAN-13 barcode support
09:49 paul_p          there should be only 1 remaining jenkins complain, see bug 6448
09:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set output directory for fines.pl in cron config created by the packages
09:37 magnuse         bug 8567
09:36 eythian         everyone expects it to be the number of results you get if you click the tag, which it isn't.
09:35 eythian         )
09:35 eythian         (unless you know what weight is etc.
09:35 eythian         and the weight number is confusing because it's not really meaningful
09:35 magnuse         oh, ok
09:35 eythian         no, it's displaying the weight number in the search results
09:35 magnuse         yeah, you are being a little more specific than me
09:34 magnuse         ah, it's for the tag cloud?
09:34 eythian         (I think exactly the same as what you said really)
09:34 eythian         that's what I wanted :)
09:34 eythian         }
09:34 eythian         display: none;
09:34 eythian         div.results_summary span.weight {
09:32 eythian         maybe, that's why I'm asking :)
09:32 magnuse         isn't that just ".results_summary .weight {}"?
09:31 eythian         (and why do people call things dumb names like "weight" that could well be duplicated elsewhere)
09:30 eythian         ?
09:30 eythian         anyone good at CSS, I want to change an attribute on a span with class name "weight" inside a div with class "results_summary" ... how can I specify that>
09:27 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8566 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Enable koha-foreach to insert the instancename into commands
09:27 magnuse         bug 8566
09:26 magnuse         i was hoping to lure you into a commitment here ;-)
09:26 magnuse         hehe
09:25 eythian         It'll get looked at some time in the next few years perhaps ;)
09:24 eythian         Just leave it as default
09:21 magnuse         want to be the assignee? i won't have time to look at it for a while
09:21 eythian         go for it
09:21 magnuse         eythian: i can report bugs for this, if you don't mind?
09:16 magnuse         yeah, that would be very cool! (and useful)
09:16 eythian         however, having koha-foreach do a search-replace on the command line may be a good idea anyway
09:15 eythian         OK. Sounds like --out is what we need then. The catch is that the cronjob doesn't know the instancename it's working on :)
09:14 magnuse         without --out, the location is determined by File::Spec->tmpdir
09:13 eythian         that's a good idea
09:13 magnuse         there is an --out option to fines.pl, so we could set that when the packages set up the cronjobs, perhaps
09:13 eythian         having a logbase in koha-conf.xml or some such would help that.
09:12 eythian         it's a log, if it wants to be logging it should go in /var/log/koha/_instancename_
09:11 magnuse         but fines should probably write to something like /var/spool/koha ?
09:11 magnuse         mystery solved :-)
09:11 eythian         makes sense
09:11 eythian         ah right
09:11 magnuse         and the reason i was just seeing a couple of days worth of log files is that i rebooted the server a couple days ago
09:10 magnuse         i think i had fines.pl commented out in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common but that got overwritten when i upgraded to 3.8.3
09:10 magnuse         and i don't think it had anything to do with memcached
09:09 magnuse         eythian: yup: my $name = C4::Context->config('database');
09:08 eythian         suppose it could be the database name or something...
09:08 eythian         magnuse: how does it work out the instance name?
09:06 magnuse         yay
09:01 paul_p          for now, trying to do something that will please jenkins !!
09:01 paul_p          mtompset = 6 hours before escaping ;-)
09:01 magnuse         /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl seems to be the culprit
08:56 magnuse         but a log of fines/overdues makes total sense
08:56 magnuse         hm, i somehow got the impression it was stuff being returned
08:56 magnuse         ah yes, that could be
08:55 eythian         the header is: cardnumber      categorycode    surname firstname       email   phone   address citystate       itemnumber      barcode date_due        type    days_overdue    fine
08:55 eythian         magnuse: I think it's fine-related
08:55 magnuse         and a quick check seems to indicate that the info in the files is not available in the log viewer in the staff client
08:54 magnuse         yeah
08:50 eythian         logs in /tmp is a terrible idea anyway.
08:48 magnuse         yeah, might be independent of memcached, it just started happening at about the same time i turned memcahed on
08:47 magnuse         sure wahanui
08:46 wahanui         i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:46 magnuse         hm, interesting
08:46 eythian         magnuse: I've seen that (I think even without memcached, I think.) Don;t know what causes it though.
08:45 magnuse         eythian: any idea why i'm getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached? the filenames look like koha_esme_2012-08-03.log, so they reflect the names of the koha instances i have created with the packages
08:44 magnuse         well they have a http://paper.li/ thing that picks up stuff from/about koha on twitter :-)
08:43 eythian         why are they sending stuff to/about Koha?
08:43 magnuse         mikromarc is a norwegian proprietary ils :-)
08:43 magnuse         hehe, that always cracks me up
08:42 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @kohails"
08:39 mtompset        How many hours till you "escape"? ;)
07:39 magnuse         woohoo :-)
07:39 paul_p          hi magnuse. Yep, last day before vacations :D :D
07:38 magnuse         last day before holiday?
07:38 magnuse         bonjour paul_p
07:32 paul_p          hello #koha
07:28 magnuse         and why am i not seeing any effect of <template_cache_dir>/tmp/koha/sksk</template_cache_dir>?
07:27 magnuse         huh, why am i getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached?
07:14 magnuse         bonjour
07:14 gaetan_B        hello :)
07:02 mtompset        mtj makes me have to type mtj. It's horrible the lack of autocomplete. :)
06:49 cait            ok, bbl :)
06:45 emagnus         yay
06:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
06:45 cait            testing awesome bug 8209
06:44 cait            :)
06:44 cait            silly
06:44 cait            hee
06:41 magnuse         sorry about that ;-)
06:35 cait            lots of m* here... my autocomplete fails more and more :)
06:34 cait            hi magnuse and mbalmer :)
06:30 mbalmer         morning
06:29 mtompset        Greetings, mbalmer and magnuse
06:28 * magnuse       waves
05:43 cait            was too slow
05:43 mtompset        So no one was able to respond to sdawa?
05:42 francharb       hello mtompset
05:42 cait            hi mtompset
05:42 mtompset        Greetings, cait, mtj, and francharb.
05:29 francharb       Good morning #Koha
05:21 sdawa           here to seek help and support
05:20 sdawa           i am library assistant from Bhutan
05:20 sdawa           hi
04:16 cait            hi mtj :)
04:16 mtj             heya cait
04:13 cait            hi #koha
04:12 mtj             ... and a script looking for hardcoded  'style' elements, would be revealing too
04:10 mtj             Shane-S: yeah, thats a no-no, thats waiting to be fixed
04:10 Shane-S         well I am off to bed, hopefully I will have time to patch some CSS stuff
04:08 * mtompset      likes the sounds of this conversation, because it implies that a newer version of Koha will be better CSS-able. :)
04:07 Shane-S         it has an ID, but it was hard coded in the element's style="" tag, which is the top level or I should say it over rides the style sheet
04:01 mtj             ... and perhaps, script a way to generate id's for them
04:01 mtj             could be a nice toy-project to identify which elements are missing id's
04:00 mtj             cool, yeah - the plan is for every element to have a 'id' value
03:59 Shane-S         I will write myself a note to consider submitting a patch at some point
03:59 Shane-S         I took the size % out and put in #transl1{} in my CSS file to allow me to alter it.
03:58 Shane-S         mtj: I found it, it is hard coded in masthead.inc
03:45 Space_Librarian toodle pip all - have a lovely weekend. :)
03:44 mtj             Shane-S:  opac.css is a great place to start...
03:39 Shane-S         Anyone around that would know where the OPAC search box code can be found it's size in the element "style" tag so I can't affect it via CSS
03:21 Brooke          o/
03:05 mtompset        translate google failed to recognize romanized transliterations.
03:04 mtompset        Though, why wasn't it cyrillic? Привет
03:02 mtompset        Actually, if you thought it was a foreign language, http://translate.google.com/ would be a better place to start.
02:41 Space_Librarian no, because Google knows all. *rolls eyes*
02:40 jransom         oh well it can't exist then
02:40 ala_3v0         can attributes and identifiers be restricted to certain staffs?
02:40 Space_Librarian yet, it's not in google's top 25 results. :p lol
02:39 jransom         well there you go!
02:39 rangi           means hello
02:38 rangi           its russian
02:38 jransom         some pom I bet
02:38 jransom         privet ....
02:38 Brooke          roflmao
02:38 Space_Librarian Who has been teaching wahanui about weeds?
02:37 jransom         just as ai thought
02:37 Space_Librarian lol
02:37 jransom         lol
02:37 wahanui         jransom: bugger all, i dunno
02:37 jransom         Wahanui what does provet mean?
02:37 jransom         what does privet mean wahanui?
02:37 wahanui         privet, jransom
02:37 jransom         hola
02:36 Brooke          o/
02:34 ala_3v0         can that be restricted to certain staffs
02:33 ala_3v0         I'm trying to add attributes and identifiers.
02:29 Brooke          I've been following the scores, though
02:29 Brooke          they do not show the freggin fencing over here >:(
02:24 mtompset        Greetings, ibeardslee
02:21 ibeardslee      Brooke: been watching the fencing?
02:19 mtompset        Now have the conversation in Klingon. ;)
02:18 * Brooke        settles in.
02:17 Space_Librarian Eadem fabula...
02:15 Brooke          Salve quid agis?
02:15 Space_Librarian mtompset, it's a long story.
02:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8517 enhancement, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Script to automatically generate package lists
02:15 mtompset        bug 8517
02:14 mtompset        which space?
02:14 mtompset        Greetings, Space_Librarian
02:14 Space_Librarian Ave! :)
02:12 * Brooke        nods.
02:12 mtompset        More Ubuntu support in our organization than Debian.
02:12 mtompset        Chosen for organizational reasons.
02:11 mtompset        No, Ubuntu.
02:11 Brooke          is debian your OS?
02:10 mtompset        I'm familiar with the tarball method. I have done a git install. Need to do a packages install to make sure I understand all three methods.
02:10 Brooke          :)
02:10 mtompset        I'll probably attempt a packages install of koha later today.
02:08 Brooke          s it?
02:08 Brooke          how
02:08 mtompset        Greetings, Brooke
02:07 mtompset        Why don't I believe you? :)
02:07 * Brooke        points to gmcharlt.
02:07 Brooke          <.<
02:07 Brooke          >.>
02:06 mtompset        Who?
02:06 mtompset        Who is teaching wahanui Rebecca Black?
02:05 wahanui         i think friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
02:05 Brooke          friday?
02:05 Brooke          o/
02:03 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
00:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8455 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
00:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results
00:50 jenkins_koha    * dcook: Bug 8455 - Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
00:50 jenkins_koha    * jcamins: Bug 8520: fix authority display in staff client
00:50 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.8.x build #121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/121/
00:25 Space_Librarian howdy stranger
00:23 rangi           hi Space_Librarian
00:23 Space_Librarian o/