Time  Nick            Message
00:23 Space_Librarian o/
00:23 rangi           hi Space_Librarian
00:25 Space_Librarian howdy stranger
00:50 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_3.8.x build #121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/121/
00:50 jenkins_koha    * jcamins: Bug 8520: fix authority display in staff client
00:50 jenkins_koha    * dcook: Bug 8455 - Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
00:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8520 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authorities display incorrectly in staff results
00:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8455 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Check ins processed through "Check Out" tab of the Patron Record ignore Circulation System Preferences
02:03 mtompset        Greetings, #koha.
02:05 Brooke          o/
02:05 Brooke          friday?
02:05 wahanui         i think friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
02:06 mtompset        Who is teaching wahanui Rebecca Black?
02:06 mtompset        Who?
02:07 Brooke          >.>
02:07 Brooke          <.<
02:07 * Brooke        points to gmcharlt.
02:07 mtompset        Why don't I believe you? :)
02:08 mtompset        Greetings, Brooke
02:08 Brooke          how
02:08 Brooke          s it?
02:10 mtompset        I'll probably attempt a packages install of koha later today.
02:10 Brooke          :)
02:10 mtompset        I'm familiar with the tarball method. I have done a git install. Need to do a packages install to make sure I understand all three methods.
02:11 Brooke          is debian your OS?
02:11 mtompset        No, Ubuntu.
02:12 mtompset        Chosen for organizational reasons.
02:12 mtompset        More Ubuntu support in our organization than Debian.
02:12 * Brooke        nods.
02:14 Space_Librarian Ave! :)
02:14 mtompset        Greetings, Space_Librarian
02:14 mtompset        which space?
02:15 mtompset        bug 8517
02:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8517 enhancement, P3, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Script to automatically generate package lists
02:15 Space_Librarian mtompset, it's a long story.
02:15 Brooke          Salve quid agis?
02:17 Space_Librarian Eadem fabula...
02:18 * Brooke        settles in.
02:19 mtompset        Now have the conversation in Klingon. ;)
02:21 ibeardslee      Brooke: been watching the fencing?
02:24 mtompset        Greetings, ibeardslee
02:29 Brooke          they do not show the freggin fencing over here >:(
02:29 Brooke          I've been following the scores, though
02:33 ala_3v0         I'm trying to add attributes and identifiers.
02:34 ala_3v0         can that be restricted to certain staffs
02:36 Brooke          o/
02:37 jransom         hola
02:37 wahanui         privet, jransom
02:37 jransom         what does privet mean wahanui?
02:37 jransom         Wahanui what does provet mean?
02:37 wahanui         jransom: bugger all, i dunno
02:37 jransom         lol
02:37 Space_Librarian lol
02:37 jransom         just as ai thought
02:38 Space_Librarian Who has been teaching wahanui about weeds?
02:38 Brooke          roflmao
02:38 jransom         privet ....
02:38 jransom         some pom I bet
02:38 rangi           its russian
02:39 rangi           means hello
02:39 jransom         well there you go!
02:40 Space_Librarian yet, it's not in google's top 25 results. :p lol
02:40 ala_3v0         can attributes and identifiers be restricted to certain staffs?
02:40 jransom         oh well it can't exist then
02:41 Space_Librarian no, because Google knows all. *rolls eyes*
03:02 mtompset        Actually, if you thought it was a foreign language, http://translate.google.com/ would be a better place to start.
03:04 mtompset        Though, why wasn't it cyrillic? Привет
03:05 mtompset        translate google failed to recognize romanized transliterations.
03:21 Brooke          o/
03:39 Shane-S         Anyone around that would know where the OPAC search box code can be found it's size in the element "style" tag so I can't affect it via CSS
03:44 mtj             Shane-S:  opac.css is a great place to start...
03:45 Space_Librarian toodle pip all - have a lovely weekend. :)
03:58 Shane-S         mtj: I found it, it is hard coded in masthead.inc
03:59 Shane-S         I took the size % out and put in #transl1{} in my CSS file to allow me to alter it.
03:59 Shane-S         I will write myself a note to consider submitting a patch at some point
04:00 mtj             cool, yeah - the plan is for every element to have a 'id' value
04:01 mtj             could be a nice toy-project to identify which elements are missing id's
04:01 mtj             ... and perhaps, script a way to generate id's for them
04:07 Shane-S         it has an ID, but it was hard coded in the element's style="" tag, which is the top level or I should say it over rides the style sheet
04:08 * mtompset      likes the sounds of this conversation, because it implies that a newer version of Koha will be better CSS-able. :)
04:10 Shane-S         well I am off to bed, hopefully I will have time to patch some CSS stuff
04:10 mtj             Shane-S: yeah, thats a no-no, thats waiting to be fixed
04:12 mtj             ... and a script looking for hardcoded  'style' elements, would be revealing too
04:13 cait            hi #koha
04:16 mtj             heya cait
04:16 cait            hi mtj :)
05:20 sdawa           hi
05:20 sdawa           i am library assistant from Bhutan
05:21 sdawa           here to seek help and support
05:29 francharb       Good morning #Koha
05:42 mtompset        Greetings, cait, mtj, and francharb.
05:42 cait            hi mtompset
05:42 francharb       hello mtompset
05:43 mtompset        So no one was able to respond to sdawa?
05:43 cait            was too slow
06:28 * magnuse       waves
06:29 mtompset        Greetings, mbalmer and magnuse
06:30 mbalmer         morning
06:34 cait            hi magnuse and mbalmer :)
06:35 cait            lots of m* here... my autocomplete fails more and more :)
06:41 magnuse         sorry about that ;-)
06:44 cait            hee
06:44 cait            silly
06:44 cait            :)
06:45 cait            testing awesome bug 8209
06:45 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
06:45 emagnus         yay
06:49 cait            ok, bbl :)
07:02 mtompset        mtj makes me have to type mtj. It's horrible the lack of autocomplete. :)
07:14 gaetan_B        hello :)
07:14 magnuse         bonjour
07:27 magnuse         huh, why am i getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached?
07:28 magnuse         and why am i not seeing any effect of <template_cache_dir>/tmp/koha/sksk</template_cache_dir>?
07:32 paul_p          hello #koha
07:38 magnuse         bonjour paul_p
07:38 magnuse         last day before holiday?
07:39 paul_p          hi magnuse. Yep, last day before vacations :D :D
07:39 magnuse         woohoo :-)
08:39 mtompset        How many hours till you "escape"? ;)
08:42 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @mikromarc: "The Bibits AS Daily is out! http://t.co/Ys8A4TGL ▸ Top stories today via @kohails"
08:43 magnuse         hehe, that always cracks me up
08:43 magnuse         mikromarc is a norwegian proprietary ils :-)
08:43 eythian         why are they sending stuff to/about Koha?
08:44 magnuse         well they have a http://paper.li/ thing that picks up stuff from/about koha on twitter :-)
08:45 magnuse         eythian: any idea why i'm getting logs of circ events in per-day log files in /tmp after i turned on memcached? the filenames look like koha_esme_2012-08-03.log, so they reflect the names of the koha instances i have created with the packages
08:46 eythian         magnuse: I've seen that (I think even without memcached, I think.) Don;t know what causes it though.
08:46 magnuse         hm, interesting
08:46 wahanui         i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
08:47 magnuse         sure wahanui
08:48 magnuse         yeah, might be independent of memcached, it just started happening at about the same time i turned memcahed on
08:50 eythian         logs in /tmp is a terrible idea anyway.
08:54 magnuse         yeah
08:55 magnuse         and a quick check seems to indicate that the info in the files is not available in the log viewer in the staff client
08:55 eythian         magnuse: I think it's fine-related
08:55 eythian         the header is: cardnumber      categorycode    surname firstname       email   phone   address citystate       itemnumber      barcode date_due        type    days_overdue    fine
08:56 magnuse         ah yes, that could be
08:56 magnuse         hm, i somehow got the impression it was stuff being returned
08:56 magnuse         but a log of fines/overdues makes total sense
09:01 magnuse         /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl seems to be the culprit
09:01 paul_p          mtompset = 6 hours before escaping ;-)
09:01 paul_p          for now, trying to do something that will please jenkins !!
09:06 magnuse         yay
09:08 eythian         magnuse: how does it work out the instance name?
09:08 eythian         suppose it could be the database name or something...
09:09 magnuse         eythian: yup: my $name = C4::Context->config('database');
09:10 magnuse         and i don't think it had anything to do with memcached
09:10 magnuse         i think i had fines.pl commented out in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common but that got overwritten when i upgraded to 3.8.3
09:11 magnuse         and the reason i was just seeing a couple of days worth of log files is that i rebooted the server a couple days ago
09:11 eythian         ah right
09:11 eythian         makes sense
09:11 magnuse         mystery solved :-)
09:11 magnuse         but fines should probably write to something like /var/spool/koha ?
09:12 eythian         it's a log, if it wants to be logging it should go in /var/log/koha/_instancename_
09:13 eythian         having a logbase in koha-conf.xml or some such would help that.
09:13 magnuse         there is an --out option to fines.pl, so we could set that when the packages set up the cronjobs, perhaps
09:13 eythian         that's a good idea
09:14 magnuse         without --out, the location is determined by File::Spec->tmpdir
09:15 eythian         OK. Sounds like --out is what we need then. The catch is that the cronjob doesn't know the instancename it's working on :)
09:16 eythian         however, having koha-foreach do a search-replace on the command line may be a good idea anyway
09:16 magnuse         yeah, that would be very cool! (and useful)
09:21 magnuse         eythian: i can report bugs for this, if you don't mind?
09:21 eythian         go for it
09:21 magnuse         want to be the assignee? i won't have time to look at it for a while
09:24 eythian         Just leave it as default
09:25 eythian         It'll get looked at some time in the next few years perhaps ;)
09:26 magnuse         hehe
09:26 magnuse         i was hoping to lure you into a commitment here ;-)
09:27 magnuse         bug 8566
09:27 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8566 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Enable koha-foreach to insert the instancename into commands
09:30 eythian         anyone good at CSS, I want to change an attribute on a span with class name "weight" inside a div with class "results_summary" ... how can I specify that>
09:30 eythian         ?
09:31 eythian         (and why do people call things dumb names like "weight" that could well be duplicated elsewhere)
09:32 magnuse         isn't that just ".results_summary .weight {}"?
09:32 eythian         maybe, that's why I'm asking :)
09:34 eythian         div.results_summary span.weight {
09:34 eythian         display: none;
09:34 eythian         }
09:34 eythian         that's what I wanted :)
09:34 eythian         (I think exactly the same as what you said really)
09:34 magnuse         ah, it's for the tag cloud?
09:35 magnuse         yeah, you are being a little more specific than me
09:35 eythian         no, it's displaying the weight number in the search results
09:35 magnuse         oh, ok
09:35 eythian         and the weight number is confusing because it's not really meaningful
09:35 eythian         (unless you know what weight is etc.
09:35 eythian         )
09:36 eythian         everyone expects it to be the number of results you get if you click the tag, which it isn't.
09:37 magnuse         bug 8567
09:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8567 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set output directory for fines.pl in cron config created by the packages
09:49 paul_p          there should be only 1 remaining jenkins complain, see bug 6448
09:49 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6448 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , EAN-13 barcode support
09:52 eythian         Anyone had Koha 3.8.3 behaving strange with diacritics/smart quotes?
09:52 eythian         it's doing that double-enconding thing sometimes.
09:54 jenkins_koha    Starting build #800 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 29 days ago)
09:55 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a281ac8df55032c7849aba711b961c19fe534306>
10:22 magnuse         eythian: what strange behaviour are you seeing?
10:24 eythian         http://imgur.com/2duaq <-- magnuse, this
10:25 eythian         it's correct in the database
10:27 magnuse         ah
10:28 magnuse         i have not seen it, but i have not looked for it either...
10:28 magnuse         is it only on the detail display, or in result lists too?
10:29 eythian         results too
10:31 eythian         It's the second person who's reported this
10:36 magnuse         eythian: a couple of searches for common norwegian words with "norwegian" letters in them does not reveal any problems, but it might be better hidden...
10:37 eythian         hmm
10:37 eythian         I wonder why it's showing up for us then...
10:54 mtompset        double encoding thing?
10:54 mtompset        Nasty.
10:55 mtompset        I wonder what SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%"; looks like.
10:55 mtompset        And what SELECT variables LIKE "%char%"; looks like.
10:58 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #800: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/800/
10:58 jenkins_koha    jonathan.druart: Bug 8385: Dirty patch to make tt_valid.t happy
10:58 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8385 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , searchengine/solr/indexes.tt fails 'prove ./xt/tt_valid.t' test
11:13 kf              encoding problems on a friday afternoon?
11:16 jcamins         o/
11:16 jcamins         kf: glad to see you approved of bug 8209.
11:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
11:20 mtompset        Greetings, jcamins.
11:20 mtompset        Tonight's challenge... a package install under Ubuntu. :)
11:21 mtompset        packages?
11:21 wahanui         packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:23 mtompset        There... fixed it to redirect properly.
11:23 mtompset        double redirections don't work.
11:31 kf              jcamins: I did :)
11:31 kf              jcamins: do you approve of my notes and test plan?
11:33 jcamins         I do. :)
11:40 mtompset        Is there a way to WWW::Mechanize the test plan? ;)
11:42 mtompset        Greetings, nengard.
11:42 mtompset        Do you come with catalogers? :)
11:43 kf              mtompset: hm maybe, but jcamins dev comes with unit tests too :)
11:44 nengard         hello all
11:44 nengard         nope, i'm done training
11:44 nengard         it's just me
11:44 mtompset        Did you get my message from the other day about Appendix G?
11:49 mtompset        Which reminds me... I need to fix another double redirection.
11:51 mtompset        or two...
11:53 mtompset        There... Koha 3.2 and 3.4 now redirect to 3.8
11:55 nengard         mtompset I don't think I did ? was it here? or email? I didn't check my email yet :)
11:55 mtompset        I apologize... it was FB.
11:56 mtompset        My brain wasn't working that day. Forgot to look for a koha-docs mailing list, or your email on bug reports or other messages in other groups.
12:11 tweetbot`       [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@jransom just FYI= hacking #kohails now, not watching TV. Just following news from website from time to time ;-) #vacationNotYetButIn4Hours"
12:14 * mtompset      grins.
12:22 mtompset        I'm hoping this package install goes well... I already fear there are gaps in the wiki page.
12:26 eythian         mtompset: that's not valid SQL, so it looks like an error :)
12:26 eythian         mtompset: at the moment, the packages wiki page is more a reference than a guide.
12:26 mtompset        what's the difference between apache2-mpm-worker and apache2-mpm-itk?
12:26 eythian         mtompset: itk allows for processes to change their user id
12:26 mtompset        Well, if I have problems... I'm going to flush it out.
12:26 mtompset        (add to it)
12:28 mtompset        what do you mean it isn't valid SQL.
12:28 mtompset        It's valid MySQL.
12:29 mtompset        OOPS...
12:29 eythian         > SELECT variables LIKE "%colla%";
12:29 mtompset        SHOW
12:29 eythian         ERROR 1054 (42S22): Unknown column 'variables' in 'field list'
12:29 eythian         :)
12:29 mtompset        not SELECT.
12:29 eythian         oh ah
12:30 eythian         | collation_connection | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian         | collation_database   | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian         | collation_server     | latin1_swedish_ci |
12:30 eythian         how odd
12:30 mtompset        That's wrong!
12:30 eythian         yeah, I have a lot of latin1 in there
12:30 eythian         I wonder what's changed...
12:30 mtompset        the my.cnf
12:31 mtompset        That's where I'd go first.
12:32 eythian         nothing obvious in there
12:33 eythian         my tables are all CHARSET=utf8 however.
12:33 mtompset        Oh... that's the other thing...
12:33 mtompset        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#MySQL
12:34 mtompset        That's why I wrote that messy long section.
12:34 mtompset        The client-handshake...
12:34 mtompset        totally messes up the collation.
12:42 mtompset        When I do a tarball install... I know where the files are.
12:42 mtompset        When I do a git install... I know where the files are...
12:42 mtompset        (both are similar... a directory name I choose)
12:42 eythian         hmm, setting the client details doesn't work on my setup (and I can't modify the server details)
12:43 * mtompset      shrugs, "That's Debian for ya."
12:43 * mtompset      grins.
12:44 eythian         no, it's because I'm not a DBA so don't have access to our database server :)
12:44 mtompset        Ah... the mysql server is on a different machine?
12:45 eythian         yeah
12:45 eythian         well, in production, not in my test env
12:45 * mtompset      nods.
12:45 mtompset        Sorry I can't help more.
12:46 mtompset        So... back to my long question... where are the files after an apt-get install koha-common?
12:46 eythian         it varies
12:47 mtompset        I'm assuming the koha-common has no perl Makefile.PL step?
12:47 eythian         but mostly under /usr/share/koha
12:47 eythian         it does, when the packages are built
12:47 eythian         dpkg -L koha-common will give you all the details
12:47 mtompset        Okay, that may come in handy.
12:48 mtompset        So, does an upgrade simply become a matter of sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade for future installs?
12:49 eythian         yeah
12:49 mtompset        Or is there still a build step?
12:49 eythian         no
12:50 eythian         build all happens when the packages are created
12:50 mtompset        Ooooh! configuration step of package does the build.
12:51 eythian         what do you mean by builld. because I think it's different to what I mean
12:52 mtompset        perl Makefile.PL; make; make test; sudo make install
12:53 eythian         yeah, that happens on my machine, not on yours
12:53 mtompset        So, this install won't have any directory from which to build.
12:54 mtompset        Because it is pre-built.
12:54 eythian         right
12:54 eythian         like all packages
12:55 mtompset        which is why you need to edit the koha-sites.conf, because the pre-built version reads that to set things up.
12:56 eythian         yeah, sorta. One of these days I'm going to have it ask questions on installation to pre-populate that.
12:57 mtompset        That would be a good enhancement.
12:59 mtompset        since koha-common comes from k-c.org, if I disable that repo, I could do sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade without actually triggering a koha upgrade, correct?
13:01 eythian         yeah
13:01 eythian         although, it's better to pin it
13:01 kf              oleonard++
13:02 * oleonard      waves
13:02 mtompset        pin it?
13:04 magnuse         hm, on 3.8.3 when memcached is activated it's supposed to re-read koha-con.xml every 10 minutes or something, right?
13:04 magnuse         *koha-conf.xml
13:05 eythian         http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html <-- mtompset, 7.12. I use the first method
13:05 eythian         (also, I think pinning is the wrong term actually)
13:07 mtompset        https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto the Apt/Dpkg method is a different syntax to what you linked to, but the same thing generally.
13:08 eythian         pinning is more about picking newer versions of things from one repo without taking everything
13:08 eythian         fixed the double encoding problem
13:08 magnuse         yay
13:08 eythian         turns out to be actual bad data from a strange earlier incarnation of the database
13:09 eythian         (that I'd fixed, but that caused the encoding to get confused)
13:09 mtompset        so it's your own fault? ;)
13:09 eythian         Sorta :)
13:10 mtompset        NOOOOOO! Not triggers for man-db!
13:10 mtompset        I really dislike that... So slow. :)
13:11 mtompset        Good day, tcohen.
13:11 tcohen          hi mtompset
13:14 mtompset        I'm tinkering with a koha-common install. What are you up to today?
13:22 mtompset        Interesting... the koha-common didn't force a kernel upgrade on me. :)
13:23 eythian         ...why would it?
13:23 mtompset        because the tarball did?
13:23 eythian         what?
13:24 eythian         how would the tarball do that?
13:24 mtompset        I haven't tried to figure out why, but it does.
13:25 eythian         but it can't
13:25 eythian         the tarball doesn't even know what apt or a kernel is
13:25 mtompset        dselect may.
13:26 mtompset        when you do the build from the tarball, it triggers some package somewhere that triggers a kernel upgrade.
13:26 mtompset        take a look at install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages
13:26 mtompset        that may give you clues why. I haven't had time to make sense of it.
13:27 eythian         Well, if you have apt stuff happening, and a kernel update is available I could see it prompting you.
13:27 mtompset        right.
13:27 eythian         But I can't see it forcing the kernel devs to sit down and make a new one for you just to install koha with :)
13:28 mtompset        But seeing as the kernel is NOT listed in the install set, I don't know what it triggering it to show up in the list of things to install.
13:28 mtompset        what IS triggering.
13:31 eythian         Well, presumably part of the process triggers an apt update
13:31 eythian         and trhen when it makes everything installed, it does updates at the same time
13:34 mtompset        yes, but if I apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... the kernel is typically held back.
13:35 eythian         hmm, I've not noticed that
13:38 mtompset        At least under Ubuntu.
13:38 mtompset        Anyways... okay, I'm a little stuck now.
13:39 mtompset        I've got the koha-common installed
13:39 mtompset        I edit'd the file with .localdomain as suggested.
13:39 mtompset        I now have a DB which I want to use.
13:39 mtompset        From our existing system.
13:40 eythian         I recommend not doing that
13:40 mtompset        oh?
13:40 eythian         or, setting everything up and having the packages set up the db then importing the content into it
13:40 mtompset        Then how would I get the data in?
13:40 eythian         just import the dump, I mean
13:40 eythian         it's pretty easy
13:40 mtompset        how does that relate to the default.sql.gz?
13:41 eythian         default.sql.gz is intended if you have a template you like to include on all your initial instances.
13:41 mtompset        Ah.
13:41 mtompset        Initial dummy data.
13:42 eythian         yeah
13:43 mtompset        Okay... so then I shouldn't have a default.sql.gz... okay
13:43 eythian         yeah, just if you want it
13:43 mtompset        empty string, or delete line?
13:44 eythian         either works, probably delete line
13:45 gmcharlt        @quote random
13:45 huginn          gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009)
13:46 kf              @quote random
13:46 huginn          kf: Quote #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over us!" (added by druthb at 09:39 PM, January 25, 2011)
13:46 wahanui         i already had it that way, huginn.
13:46 kf              @quote random
13:46 huginn          kf: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 11:27 PM, October 04, 2009)
13:47 mtompset        Do I even know an instance name before I run koha-create?
13:47 mtompset        or does instance name = db name?
13:48 eythian         mtompset: instance name is the name of your library, or whatever
13:48 mtompset        it has no relation to the dbname?
13:50 eythian         it does, in the sense that the dbname is derived from it
13:52 mtompset        unless otherwise specified in the /etc/koha/passwd file?
13:53 eythian         yeah, I think. I've never used that file.
13:53 mtompset        Well, it seems like a good time to test it then. ;)
13:53 eythian         It needs to be a bit less prominent, that mention of the passwd file. It's not really used most of the time.
13:55 mtompset        But most of the time, you are starting from scratch.
13:55 mtompset        Importing MARC data.
13:55 mtompset        Or doing data entry.
13:57 mtompset        I've got a 3.6.3 db that I want to import.
13:58 mtompset        I noticed the page doesn't specify the instance name for the koha-create. Will koha-create prompt for one?
13:59 jcamins         mtompset: no, you have to choose one.
13:59 eythian         mtompset: you make one up
14:00 eythian         mtompset: also, just import the db dump after you've set things up. It'll ensure everything is nice and consistent.
14:00 jcamins         Ooh.
14:00 jcamins         joubu++ # I didn't realize you could prevent links from causing the page to scroll to the top
14:01 mtompset        So run the koha-create before I even try to get the DB in... okay.
14:01 mtompset        Here goes nothing.
14:02 oleonard        jcamins: See also http://css-tricks.com/return-false-and-prevent-default/ if you want to go deeper
14:04 jcamins         Interesting.
14:04 wahanui         interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:05 jcamins         wahanui: good, this time.
14:05 wahanui         jcamins: i'm not following you...
14:07 mtompset        koha-create didn't catch that I had an extra parameter. DOH!
14:08 jcamins         mtompset: why did you have an extra parameter?
14:08 mtompset        because I wanted to match the user name, db name, and password to the exist DB that I have.
14:08 eythian         mtompset: you can't do that like that
14:08 eythian         koha-create doesn't understand extra paremeters
14:10 mtompset        Hmmm... man page says --database is a valid parameter.
14:11 eythian         oh right, I forgot about those.
14:11 eythian         I was imagining that you just chucked them on to the end
14:11 mtompset        that's what I did the first time.
14:11 eythian         (as in, without option names)
14:11 eythian         hwoever, --database should work I think
14:12 mtompset        so then I did a koha-remove <first item>
14:12 jcamins         --database is valid, but I don't see any way to specify username/password.
14:12 mtompset        passwdfile
14:12 jcamins         Yes, but not on the command line.
14:12 eythian         jcamins: with --passwdfile
14:13 mtompset        koha-create doesn't recognize --database even though the man page has it.
14:13 jcamins         eythian: that still requires a file.  You can't just add extra parameters.
14:13 eythian         oh, yeah.
14:13 mtompset        Yes, but I created the file.
14:13 mtompset        I'm assuming it is the format mentioned on the wiki page.
14:14 * magnuse       wanders off into the deep woods
14:14 jcamins         Oh, that should work fine, then. I use a koha.passwd file.
14:14 mtompset        dropped the --database, koha-create worked.
14:14 mtompset        Let's see what it did...
14:16 mtompset        Nope... not what I expected...
14:17 jcamins         A) what were you expecting, and B) what did it do?
14:18 jcamins         (warning: the issue is probably with A)
14:18 mtompset        I was it expect it to read the passwd file for the information.
14:19 jcamins         Okay, that's a reasonable expectation.
14:19 jcamins         That's how it works for me.
14:19 mtompset        It didn't.
14:19 jcamins         What did it do?
14:19 mtompset        created it like I told it nothing.
14:19 mtompset        and now I have a user I can't delete.
14:20 jcamins         Hey, the passwd file allows you to specify a database, too. I forgot about that because I don't use it.
14:20 mtompset        Yes, I filled it out, and it didn't work as I expected.
14:21 mtompset        I suppose I really like tarballs right about now. :)
14:22 jcamins         Why can't you delete the user?
14:22 mtompset        it says it's logged in.
14:22 eythian         I still think you're better off just loading a db dump into the database.
14:22 mtompset        But then the password won't match.
14:22 jcamins         I would agree with eythian.
14:22 eythian         sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop will stop its processes
14:22 eythian         mtompset: it makes a password
14:22 jcamins         mtompset: what do you mean? koha-create creates the password.
14:22 jcamins         Which will be random, as it should be.
14:23 mtompset        It won't match the db dump's password.
14:23 eythian         db dumps don't have passwords
14:23 mtompset        they do if they are just a dump of every DB.
14:23 mtompset        (hence mysql, etc.)
14:23 eythian         then don't do that.
14:23 eythian         just dump the koha db you want
14:23 jcamins         mtompset: I'm not sure what you're doing, but that's not the right way to do it.
14:23 jcamins         If you are transferring Koha, just use the DB.
14:24 mtompset        jcamins, I figured that much out.
14:24 jcamins         If you are trying to clone an entire system, you should just use some sort of system imaging software.
14:24 mtompset        Not trying to clone.
14:24 mtompset        Trying to take data from production tarball install...
14:24 mtompset        and get it into a koha-common install.
14:24 jcamins         Right, that's very easy.
14:24 mtompset        I'm failing.
14:25 jcamins         mysqldump kohadb > file.sql
14:25 mtompset        It must not be easy.
14:25 jcamins         koha-create --create-db mylibrary
14:25 mtompset        Yes... I'll have to limit my dump.
14:25 jcamins         Import file.sql into koha_mylibrary.
14:25 mtompset        -- that came out wrong.
14:26 jcamins         Other than a full backup, I don't think there is any reason to dump all your databases, including mysql.
14:26 jcamins         It makes you expect that other settings are going to be exactly the same.
14:27 mtompset        And clearly I can't expect.
14:27 mtompset        So... off to trim mysqldump to just one DB.
14:28 jcamins         Right. If nothing else, crontabs will be different. As we saw on the mailing list, this can cause no end of confusion when you try to "fix" it.
14:29 * wizzyrea      waves
14:31 mtompset        This is why I'm trying a packages install.
14:31 mtompset        I want to understand the differences in install types.
14:33 mtompset        I will also help me tweak the Koha on Ubuntu wiki page to better reflect problems. And to warn people, "Don't follow this if you are doing a packages install!"
14:35 mtompset        the packages install leaves the koha instance database empty until you do a web install?
14:35 eythian         yeah
14:35 eythian         it has to
14:35 jcamins         mtompset: yes, same as the tarball.
14:35 eythian         (unless you provide the default.sql.gz file)
14:36 mtompset        but then the script would set up the kohauser and such on the default.sql.gz file
14:37 eythian         it would create a default user, yeah
14:39 mtompset        anything to git or tarball installs seem much easier than anything to package installs. In the former, a full dump will work. In the latter, you must trim it to just the koha database.
14:40 * jcamins       doesn't buy it. Dumping all your databases is just plain a bad idea.
14:41 jcamins         At least, that's how I see it.
14:41 jcamins         You're bringing along cruft and baggage from an old system.
14:41 mtompset        I was already doing that for full backup purposes.
14:42 jcamins         Sure, it's fine for a backup, but don't use it for anything less than a full restore.
14:42 jcamins         That's my feeling, anyway.
14:43 mtompset        I was trying to be lazy and not have to dump just one db for this process... reuse is good sometimes. :)
14:43 jcamins         Plus, it's not like you can't just set the db/user/password to whatever you want by editing the koha-conf.xml file, same as you do with a tarball install.
14:43 mtompset        Though, we decided to got with lzma's, not gz's. :)
14:44 mtompset        actually, the build step in the tarball is what sets it.
14:44 mtompset        no file editing.
14:44 mtompset        if you have to edit a file, the install is too complex. :)
14:45 mtompset        And... if I dump just the one DB... it should be simple enough.
14:45 eythian         isn't it easier to just dump one?
14:45 mtompset        -a is shorter than a db name. :P
14:45 jcamins         And oh-so-much-more dangerous. :)
14:45 eythian         it's also a billion times easier to restore.
14:46 mtompset        True...
14:46 eythian         (especially if you want to be changing db names or something)
14:46 mtompset        true
14:48 mtompset        is import the correct SQL command, jcamins?
14:49 eythian         you want: mysql -u ..... -p < file.sql
14:49 jcamins         Uhhh... I generally just use mysql < filename.sql
14:49 jcamins         You could also use SOURCE, of course.
14:50 eythian         '\.' is probably safter though
14:50 mtompset        the koha-zebra-daemon was running as the user I couldn't delete.
14:50 jcamins         '\.' ?
14:53 eythian         mtompset: yes. 'sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common stop' kills it (though maybe it gets confused if something failed.)
14:53 mtompset        I'll probably... mysql -u ... -p .... > user koha_...; > source db.sql;
14:53 eythian         jcamins: shortcut for source
14:53 eythian         mtompset: I wouldn't, your < is the wrong way around
14:53 eythian         also your user is in the wrong place
14:53 mtompset        No those are prompts.
14:53 eythian         oh duh :)
14:53 mtompset        Oops... I meant use;
14:53 eythian         ah
14:54 mtompset        Yes, it got confused.
14:54 mtompset        I did a koha-remove... and it failed.
14:54 mtompset        so I had to kill the daemon manually, and delete the user.
14:54 eythian         it really needs to be made more robust
14:55 mtompset        Don't look at me... I'm liking tarballs. ;)
14:57 mtompset        okay... since the passwd thing failed to work for me... gone..
14:57 eythian         you won't when you discover "koha-mysql"
14:58 jcamins         Yeah, koha-mysql is pretty awesome.
14:58 mtompset        eythian++
14:58 mtompset        Thanks for the tip.
14:58 mtompset        But I want to get a package install done first.
14:59 mtompset        I'm assuming koha-mysql is any time after the koha-create?
14:59 jcamins         Though, really the way they ensure you don't hoist yourself on your own petard makes packages worthwhile in my eyes.
14:59 jcamins         mtompset: that is correct.
15:00 mtompset        interestingly enough only 3 things installed from the debian.koha-community.org when I was doing the apt-get install koha-common.
15:00 eythian         not surprising if you already had an isntall on that box
15:00 eythian         normally it's more like 100+
15:00 mtompset        Nope...
15:01 mtompset        No install.
15:01 mtompset        This is a fresh VM.
15:01 jcamins         eythian: from the k-c.org repo, not in general.
15:01 jcamins         mtompset: that sounds about right.
15:01 eythian         oh right
15:01 jcamins         Are you installing 3.6.x or 3.8.x?
15:01 eythian         yeah, there's only about 3 or 4 other things in there anyway
15:01 mtompset        Yes, there were over 200+ things to install.
15:01 mtompset        I set up squeeze.
15:01 mtompset        as the repo, so I'm assuming it will be 3.8.x
15:02 jcamins         Yup.
15:02 Woody           quick question for someone in regards to the Koha logo
15:03 mtompset        Maybe. :)
15:03 mtompset        What's the question?
15:03 wahanui         the question is, like, "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
15:03 jcamins         What's the answer?
15:03 wahanui         i guess the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
15:03 * mtompset      laughs, "Silly bot!"
15:03 jcamins         Thanks, wahanui.
15:03 wahanui         my pleasure jcamins
15:03 Woody           haha I wish. But for serious, I'm using the Koha logo on a public library website, am I allowed to change the colour of the logo to better match our website's theme?
15:04 Woody           or must it stay black?
15:04 mtompset        Isn't it all released under GPL? I would think colour changes would be okay.
15:04 mtompset        I don't know.
15:04 jcamins         Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:05 jcamins         Whoops. Someone hit refresh.
15:05 * mtompset      grins.
15:05 Woody           awesome. Firefox just quit on me. Anyone post an answer in the 30 seconds I was gone?
15:05 mtompset        jcamins commented further.
15:06 eythian         <jcamins> Woody: as far as I know you can change the color to anything you want.
15:06 jcamins         Hehe. I thought it was a refresh when trying to get to a different page.
15:06 jcamins         :)
15:06 Woody           the GPL is a bit vague on modifying trademarked logos.
15:06 jcamins         I think you just can't use the logo for something other than Koha.
15:06 Woody           Makes sense.
15:06 mtompset        Not to mention... it is green in other places.
15:07 jcamins         Also purple in some places.
15:07 Woody           Whelp, I'll try it out, and if I hear of any complaints I'll just switch it back.
15:07 jcamins         Makes sense.
15:07 mtompset        Thanks for using Koha. :)
15:07 Woody           No problem. Thanks for all your help :-)
15:07 jcamins         Oh, one thing you shouldn't do with the logo: choose ugly colors! ;)
15:07 Woody           haha deal
15:08 jcamins         I'd be interested to see your OPAC design once you've finished it.
15:08 Woody           Once it's complete perhaps I'll stop by again to drop off the link
15:08 jcamins         :)
15:09 Woody           Anyways time to load up GIMP and get to work. Have a great weekend everyone
15:09 jcamins         You too.
15:15 rambutan        daem, I'm dealing with the logo issue right now myself. I could have had some input
15:15 rambutan        The community really really needs to fix this problem.
15:15 jcamins         What problem?
15:15 wahanui         it has been said that problem is its human beings doing it
15:16 rambutan        [off] problem with Koha and logo trademark/copyright
15:19 wizzyrea        yea, it's not up to the community to fix the problem.
15:19 wizzyrea        the problem could have been fixed many times over.
15:20 rambutan        OK, I've got vinegar in my system so....
15:20 rambutan        the problem is that PTFS owns the Koha logo trademark/copyright in the US
15:21 rambutan        I had wanted to paint the logo on our upcoming bookmobile, but we can't because of the trademark
15:21 rambutan        this is a community problem.
15:22 mtompset        Yes, but your bookmobile isn't an installation of Koha, so why would you want to paint the logo on it?
15:22 rambutan        I don't know the solution for sure, but if we have to rename "Koha" to "Tinkerbell" and start all over with a clear statement of licensing,
15:22 rambutan        well, sometime the problem is going to have to be resolved
15:23 rambutan        mtompset: to promote Koha. Evangelism.
15:25 mtompset        drive your bookmobile outside of the US? I really don't know a solution.
15:25 rambutan        yea, maybe we could service Canada?
15:25 jcamins         Hehe.
15:25 jcamins         A bit of a schlep.
15:25 rambutan        I'm sure they would need tech support for those trips
15:27 jcamins         You know, the cataloguing module is still painful to use.
15:27 jcamins         I keep on hoping it'll be less unpleasant one day, but I don't see it.
15:27 mtompset        But, jcamins, you are the hemi-semi-demi cataloguing deity. ;)
15:27 jcamins         mtompset: I'm not saying I can't use it, I'm saying it's awful.
15:28 mtompset        jcamins?
15:28 wahanui         it has been said that jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:29 * mtompset      grins, "Another sub-project."
15:29 * jcamins       won't be rewriting the cataloguing module just now.
15:37 eythian         leave it for tomorrow, eh?
15:40 * mtompset      high fives eythian.
15:40 mtompset        okay... running the SQL script now. :)
15:45 kf              bye all, have a nice weekend ! :)
15:45 * mtompset      waits for the tables to all get imported.
15:53 wizzyrea        koha on ubuntu?
15:53 wahanui         well, koha on ubuntu is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
15:53 wizzyrea        thx wahanui
15:53 jcamins         thx wahanui is <reply> yw
15:53 jcamins         thx wahanui?
15:53 wahanui         yw
15:53 jcamins         :)
15:54 oleonard        So wait, who says PTFS has a trademark on the Koha logo?
15:54 oleonard        The name, yes, but the logo too?
15:56 mtompset        wizzyrea: why were you looking for koha on ubuntu?
15:56 wizzyrea        the logo is included in the tm I believe
15:56 wizzyrea        sekkrits ;)
15:56 wizzyrea        no, because I was updating my dev install on my laptop and
15:56 wizzyrea        wanted to know if there were any things I should be aware of
15:57 wizzyrea        it's 12.04
15:57 wizzyrea        looks happy though
15:57 mtompset        you probably want to make sure you have the k-c.org repo added.
15:57 mtompset        Which hasn't made it into the wiki yet.
15:57 mtompset        Which reminds me...
15:57 jcamins         I'm not sure they do, actually.
15:58 wizzyrea        naw it's a dev install
15:58 wizzyrea        not packagess
15:58 wizzyrea        I was looking at dependencies and stuffs
15:58 jcamins         wizzyrea: you'll still need debian.k-c.org for dependencies.
15:58 mtompset        template::plugin::htmltotext
15:58 mtompset        doesn't exist in Ubuntu.
15:58 jcamins         ^^ that one
15:58 wizzyrea        ah so
15:58 mtompset        packages?
15:58 wahanui         packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:59 mtompset        go there... add the squeeze-dev.
15:59 mtompset        do the wget for the key.
15:59 mtompset        blah blah blah... you know the drill. :)
16:00 mtompset        (apt-get update;apt-get upgrade...)
16:00 wizzyrea        yep
16:00 mtompset        And the capitalization on that name is wrong, but you get the idea.
16:01 mtompset        Template::Plugin::HtmlToText... I think.
16:01 mtompset        and that reminds me...
16:01 mtompset        are the two datapaginator ones in k-c.org yet?
16:01 mtompset        Yes, I know they are optional.
16:01 jcamins         mtompset: nope.
16:01 jcamins         They don't build.
16:02 mtompset        Oh. :(
16:02 mtompset        Sweet! Bug 8485 is signed off.
16:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
16:03 mtompset        khall++
16:03 mtompset        Thanks. :)
16:03 khall           glad to assist!
16:03 mtompset        It's a necessary change for a yum install script I was working on. :)
16:04 mtompset        Yes, I said 'yum' in the midst of an 'apt-get' crowd. :P
16:04 oleonard        We say yum all the time. Usually in reference to jcamins' lunch.
16:05 gaetan_B        bye !
16:05 mtompset        I was refering to .... (in a hushed voice) RPM-base distributions.
16:05 mtompset        Bye, gaetan_B
16:06 mtompset        There are like 18 missing libraries under CentOS 6.3
16:06 mtompset        and that's with EPEL enabled.
16:07 mtompset        18 including the optional ones.
16:07 mtompset        that's a lot of CPAN'ing.
16:07 mtompset        *cringes*
16:09 mtompset        wow... that's a small apache site configuration file.
16:09 mtompset        The includes must really shrink it.
16:16 mtompset        Okay... something went wrong...
16:16 jcamins         mtompset: why?
16:16 mtompset        [off] Access denied for user 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758.
16:16 mtompset        I didn't try to set any funky password or anything.
16:16 jcamins         Did you change the password?
16:16 mtompset        No, I didn't.
16:17 mtompset        Whatever it generated.
16:17 jcamins         And you're using the correct password according to koha-conf.xml?
16:17 mtompset        Let me check... because I didn't edit the xml file at all.
16:18 jcamins         mtompset: it's easy to get confused and try to log in using the Zebra credentials.
16:18 jcamins         Which won't work no matter how many times you try.
16:18 mtompset        I didn't even get a login prompt.
16:19 jcamins         Ah. Hm.
16:19 jcamins         Wait.
16:19 jcamins         Are you on 12.04?
16:19 jcamins         (Ubuntu)
16:19 mtompset        Yes.
16:20 jcamins         You need to do an extra CREATE USER thanks to the stupid anonymous login feature.
16:20 jcamins         That was patched for the next version.
16:20 mtompset        AH!
16:20 mtompset        Right.
16:20 jcamins         CREATE USER 'koha_teamwork'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'samepass';
16:24 mtompset        do I need a grant all too?
16:26 paul_p          http://koha-community.org/koha-release-manager-newsletter-9-2012-07/ => RM newsletter published.
16:26 paul_p          and leaving for vacation !
16:27 jcamins         mtompset: I'm not sure. But it's worth trying again.
16:27 mtompset        Ah... THERE'S the password.
16:28 mtompset        I see what you mean about the zebra password and the koha password.
16:29 mtompset        YAY! Web installer page.
16:30 jcamins         :)
16:30 mtompset        That was a journey and a half.
16:31 mtompset        I hope my web page doesn't time out on the upgrade.
16:31 jcamins         It will, but it doesn't matter.
16:31 mtompset        I have had that happen... just had to wait for the process to finish running.
16:31 jcamins         Yup.
16:32 jcamins         Happens to me every time I use a dev or tarball install.
16:32 jcamins         After the initial inconvenience of importing a package install, you'll never have to worry about it again.
16:32 mtompset        update errors.
16:32 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=322a9c7fbbcf456084d1937f48345b3cdec058ce> / Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5e6fb7227d4d30818ca013f0d2cf9bde60fcc25> / Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/export.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitwe
16:32 mtompset        [Sat Aug 4 00:28:28 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'patronreason' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4586.
16:32 mtompset        [Sat Aug 4 00:28:29 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry '545' for key 'PRIMARY' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4618.
16:33 jcamins         You can ignore all those duplicate messages.
16:33 jcamins         That means something was backported to 3.6.x.
16:33 mtompset        Yes, but that would freak someone out.
16:33 jcamins         They'll survive.
16:33 jcamins         And if they're concerned enough to ask, we'll tell them not to worry about it.
16:35 wizzyrea        there, that's a much prettier dependencies page.
16:38 jenkins_koha    Starting build #801 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 1 mo 0 days ago)
16:39 mtompset        where is gradient CSS'd?
16:40 jcamins         mtompset: probably opac.css?
16:40 mtompset        under staff-client
16:40 oleonard        mtompset: got Firebug?
16:40 mtompset        Yes.
16:40 mtompset        Hence the question.
16:41 oleonard        Firebug gives you the answer :)
16:41 oleonard        Right-click, inspect in Firebug
16:41 mtompset        It doesn't say which CSS it is in.
16:41 oleonard        staff-global.css (line 195)
16:42 oleonard        It does say. Not sure if yours is configured differently?
16:42 mtompset        Ah... okay... let me turn off that syspref.
16:42 oleonard        http://screencast.com/t/o9aXHtwNsRT
16:43 mtompset        I have my staff-global pointed to a tweaked version via a syspref.
16:43 mtompset        That's why it is weird.
16:44 jcamins         mtompset: Firebug will tell you where the setting comes from.
16:44 mtompset        No, I didn't overwrite... I used the syspref. :)
16:44 mtompset        Yes, but my tweaked staff-global is from 3.6.3
16:44 mtompset        That's why it is screwy.
16:45 jcamins         Alt-shift-refresh?
16:46 mtompset        No... just clear the syspref, and all should be good.
16:46 mtompset        Yep... All is good.
16:46 jcamins         Yay!
16:47 mtompset        Just have to tweak the right version of staff-global for the job. :)
16:47 mtompset        But, that's a job for TOMORROW (or next week)
16:47 mtompset        I suppose I should attempt a search
16:48 jcamins         mtompset: you will, of course, need to reindex if you didn't yet.
16:49 mtompset        Yes. And the best way to reindex is?
16:49 mtompset        Seeing as there is no 'koha' user.
16:49 jcamins         koha-rebuild-zebra --full cooperation
16:49 mtompset        you mean teamwork.
16:49 jcamins         teamwork, yes.
16:49 jcamins         But there's an 'i' in "cooperation"!
16:49 mtompset        sudo or no sudo?
16:50 jcamins         sudo
16:51 mtompset        well, one advantage of the package install is access to all those debianist scripts. :)
16:53 mtompset        because we all know the koha-rebuild-zebra really is a wrapper.
16:53 jcamins         Yup.
16:53 jcamins         But a convenient one.
16:57 mtompset        When will the next 3.8.x be out?
16:57 jcamins         Dashboard?
16:57 jcamins         dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/
16:57 jcamins         August 22, I imagine.
16:58 mtompset        I'm wondering if instead of upgrading to 3.6.7we should jump to 3.8.x just after the 22nd.
16:58 jcamins         You could do that.
16:58 * jcamins       is sticking with 3.6.x for another few releases.
16:58 mtompset        because gradient makes my styling life a lot easier!
16:59 mtompset        Think you could get gradient in 3.6.8?
17:00 jcamins         You could just steal the staff-global.css file from 3.8.x.
17:00 oleonard        It requires some markup changes
17:00 jcamins         I won't be backporting it to 3.6.x because it offers very little benefit.
17:00 jcamins         Oh, I didn't realize there were markup changes.
17:01 jcamins         In that case, no, it won't be going into 3.6.x.
17:01 mtompset        Yes. there are markup changes.
17:01 mtompset        that single div is a lifesaver!
17:02 mtompset        The problem is I head back early november... just before 3.10 is released.
17:02 mtompset        I don't want to have to upgrade again, because I didn't just to 3.8.x
17:02 mtompset        ^just^jump^
17:03 * jcamins       won't be upgrading to 3.10 any time soon.
17:03 jcamins         Since you don't do fines, you should be fine with 3.8, I think.
17:04 mtompset        --yet.
17:05 mtompset        Wow! khall has the last 5 signoffs. Way to go for productivity. :)
17:06 jcamins         And two of them are on my patches. :)
17:07 mtompset        and one was mine... hence the +'s before. :)
17:10 mtompset        Hmmm.... well, paul_p is on vacation... (or will be shortly, and I am too tired to think about bug 8329
17:10 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT *
17:11 mtompset        If anyone wants to comment on it, feel free.
17:21 * mtompset      is waiting for zebra to reindex, "What a pain!"
17:21 jcamins         mtompset: yeah, I had to reindex a 200k record database three times yesterday. It was very frustrating.
17:21 mtompset        Oh, and the two perl dependencies that would be really nice on debian.koha-community.org are Data::Paginator and Data::Pagination
17:22 jcamins         mtompset: agreed.
17:22 jcamins         However, since they don't compile, don't hold your breath.
17:22 mtompset        Why don't the compile?
17:22 * jcamins       shrugs
17:22 jcamins         No idea.
17:22 mtompset        Should I try doing a CPAN on a VM, just to find out?
17:22 jcamins         That's why I asked on bug 8233 for an explanation.
17:22 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
17:23 jcamins         It's worth a try, I suppose.
17:30 rambutan        jcamins: email to you
17:37 jcamins         rambutan: thanks.
17:42 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #801: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/801/
17:42 jenkins_koha    * robin: Bug 8544 - make the RSS icon CSS-changeable
17:42 jenkins_koha    * m.de.rooy: 8263 Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent (dbrev)
17:42 jenkins_koha    * m.de.rooy: 8263 Consistent stylesheet prefs
17:42 jenkins_koha    * paul.poulain: Bug 8263 follow-up DBRev number
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Make RSS icon styleable
17:42 jenkins_koha    * veron: Bug 7628 - Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 jenkins_koha    * jonathan.druart: Bug 7628: Escape '+' characters for categorycode
17:42 jenkins_koha    * kyle: Bug 3383 - Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 jenkins_koha    * kyle: Bug 3383 - Followup - Switch from GetMemberDetails to GetMember
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
17:42 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: Command line interface for tools/export.pl
17:42 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 5600 follow-up: Fix commandline check in order to work under Plack
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7628 normal, P3, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Required format is not enforced for Patron Categories
17:42 jenkins_koha    * julian.maurice: Bug 5600: very tiny follow-up to pass perlcritic
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3383 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
17:42 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Bulk MARC biblio export script
17:45 melia           hi #koha
17:46 melia           I have a bugzilla question. I want to remove an attachment that I added to a bug, but I can't seem to make it go away.  I marked it obsolete, but you can still see it...
17:47 jcamins         melia: you can't delete an attachment, just mark it obsolete.
17:47 melia           darn it. ok. I guess obsolete is better than nothing.
17:48 * mtompset      figures out why it is taking so long to reindex... LOW MEMORY!
17:48 jcamins         Since it won't show up in git-bz, no one will try to apply it.
17:49 melia           it's just a scanned reserve slip, but I realized after I put it on there that I should have blacked out the patron name or something. I don't want to show his private info to the whole world, but now I can't get rid of it.
17:49 jcamins         Ah. Yeah. You could ask rangi. He might be able to delete it.
17:50 mtompset        What's the bug number?
17:50 melia           bug 8542
17:50 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8542 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , <<today>> token produces a funny looking time on Reserves Slip
17:50 oleonard        Why do you ask mtompset? You can't administer Bugzilla.
17:50 mtompset        No, but someone who can may read IRC logs, before actually coming here.
17:51 melia           I'll ask rangi for help. thanks everyone!
17:55 gmcharlt        melia: I've deleted that attachment
17:55 melia           oh good. thanks very much! I hate when I do something dumb and then can't fix it :)
17:56 mtompset        I'm sure we've all been there and done that too. :)
17:56 gmcharlt        melia: you're welcome
17:57 mtompset        give my system's low memory... I think sleep is in order.
17:58 mtompset        Maybe the reindex will be done (or have noticeably failed) later.
17:58 mtompset        Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha.
18:25 jcamins         Yay!
18:26 * jcamins       was on the server with almost no one attached. It was very dull.
18:27 * oleonard      hands jcamins a plate of hors d'oeuvres and a drink with an umbrella in it
18:27 oleonard        khall around?
18:27 khall           indeed
18:28 oleonard        Were you testing the patch on Bug 4048 or the gitorious branch?
18:28 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths
18:28 khall           just the attached patch
18:28 jcamins         Ooh, how nice. Apparently there was a party on the other server during the netsplit. Fortunate oleonard saved some hors d'oeuvres and a drink.
18:29 oleonard        khall: the patch is a follow-up of the work in the gitorious branch.
18:29 * oleonard      suspects the attached patch is obsolete,but doesn't block testing of the bug
18:30 khall           gotcha, thanks for the info!
18:30 * cait          waves
18:30 oleonard        Thanks for testing khall
18:31 cait            party?
18:31 khall           hey cait, hope everything is well over in your neck of the woods
18:31 khall           no prob
18:31 cait            khall: mostly - as always not getting all done I would like to do :)
18:31 khall           thus is life :P
18:44 oleonard        anyone else having trouble fetching from git.koha-community.org?
18:49 gmcharlt        oleonard: not me
18:49 * oleonard      always seems to have this problem when others don't
18:50 oleonard        Southeast Ohio git vortex
19:05 oleonard        Uh... jcamins_away, Bug 8571?
19:05 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
19:07 wizzyrea        hrm
19:10 cait            hrm
19:10 cait            indeed
19:15 maximep         damn.
19:16 maximep         yet another feature we did more than a year ago
19:16 oleonard        ??
19:17 maximep         and couldn't share
19:18 jwagner         It's also a duplicate of code we made available in Bug 4240, which is of course long out of date now
19:18 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
19:18 cait            maximep: I tested jared's feature yesterday -  ireally like the way you can extend it
19:20 cait            bug 8209
19:20 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
19:28 * oleonard      wonders how many hours the Koha project has lost to duplicated efforts
19:28 maximep         yeah that sucks :/
19:28 cait            i guess a lot of them.
19:29 cait            release early release often
19:29 maximep         but it's not a waste of time to have different ways to do the code and have the best win
19:29 maximep         that's prety much the perl way to do it
19:29 cait            :)
19:30 oleonard        It's a waste of time if you code each version to completion and then have to throw one away
19:30 maximep         not really
19:31 maximep         there's always a way to reuse some of the code
19:32 maximep         I guess you should try jcamins_away's patch fcapovilla
19:34 fcapovilla      Looking at the diff, his patch seems a lot more complete than mine. Mine is just a simple authority search.
19:41 cait            if it works very different my
19:41 cait            maybe you could create your own plugin
19:43 maximep         you think this will be in 3.10 ?
19:43 maximep         *do you
19:43 cait            it will go through qa
19:43 cait            next
19:43 cait            but I think it#s not likely to break something, so I think it should be
19:44 cait            hopefully :)
19:44 maximep         =)
20:01 jcamins_away    Bug 4240 and bug 8209 aren't similar at all.
20:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:02 jcamins         Clearly bug 8571 isn't a duplicate of both of them.
20:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8571 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , Add search suggestions on the OPAC ("Did you mean?" feature)
20:02 * jcamins       consults the patch on bug 8571.
20:02 oleonard        Not least because Bug 4240 was never properly submitted to Koha
20:02 jcamins         Actually, that's a duplicate of bug 7417.
20:02 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
20:03 jcamins         :D
20:04 jcamins         I mean, different implementation, but same function.
20:04 * jcamins       thinks he prefers his patches for bug 7417 and bug 8209. Offer far more options.
20:05 jcamins         But then, I'm biased.
20:05 cait            I like your implementation too
20:06 * jcamins       had to comment.
20:06 jcamins         fcapovilla: ah, I see you're online.
20:07 jcamins         fcapovilla: you should take a look at bug 7417. I think that will do what you want.
20:08 rangi           4240 otoh will do nothing
20:08 rangi           :_
20:08 rangi           :) too
20:08 cait            bug 4240
20:08 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4240 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jwagner, RESOLVED WONTFIX, Add a "did you mean" spell checker to the OPAC
20:08 cait            ah
20:09 fcapovilla      Honestly, all my patch does is show search suggestions based on the search terms the user entered. It search into the "see from" of authorities to find its suggestions.
20:09 fcapovilla      It's closer to bug 8209
20:09 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:10 jcamins         fcapovilla: the display is closer. However, in terms of what you were trying to get at, I think it's closer to 7417.
20:11 fcapovilla      The feature is already working on our client's instances, but in a future update we will have to use jcamins's patch. We might create a plugin for it if our client doesn't exactly like the way it works :P
20:11 jcamins         fcapovilla: that's the idea. With the architecture in bug 8209 it's eeeeeasssssyyyyyyyy. :)
20:12 jcamins         In fact, you could (no joke) copy and paste the code you added to the .pl into a copy of Koha/Filter/Null.pm, and have it working in ten minutes.
20:13 fcapovilla      We'll see when we get there. Maybe our client will prefer your method :P
20:14 jcamins         Add an extra ten minutes to write^H^Hborrow^H^Hsteal a unit test, and you're done. :)
20:15 cait            lol
20:17 oleonard        have a good weekend #koha
20:26 maximep         koha' community is the best =)
20:26 maximep         have a good weekend everyone
20:31 cait            maximep++
20:31 jcamins         mtj: around?
20:32 rangi           its 8.30am saturday, unlikely :)
20:32 jcamins         Heh.
20:32 jcamins         Right.
20:32 jcamins         Well, he thinks I'm around at midnight on Fridays, so who could say? :P
20:35 rangi           :)
20:38 * rangi         is watching the 10,000m live
20:38 rangi           i like the middle/long races
20:40 rangi           hmm japan 1 and 2
20:40 rangi           this is unexpected
20:40 rangi           to me anyway
20:41 rambutan        I like the minor sports (which never get shown)
20:41 rangi           like?
20:41 wahanui         like is probably done all the time in the Lua community
20:42 rangi           we have 8 channels of live coverage, probably on one of those
20:42 rangi           i was watching handball
20:43 rambutan        1 ex: shooting sports (US shooter (skeet I think) won her 5th gold this time--in 5 different olympics)
20:43 rangi           oh, yeah i saw that
20:43 rangi           the winner of the mens skeet hit some ridiculous thing
20:43 cait            me too :)
20:43 rangi           316 out of 320 or something insane
20:44 rangi           i saw the air pistol and small bore rifle too
20:44 rangi           and i watched all the archery
20:44 rangi           i flick between channels lots :)
20:45 rangi           didnt watch any of the swimming this year, oh look its the same race again and again and again and agian
20:46 rambutan        Yea, I like watching tennis too, but all the TV coverage invariably is of angles and zoom levels that annoy the h* out of me.
20:46 rangi           now its kenya kenya ethiopia kenya
20:46 rangi           thats more like it
20:46 rangi           rambutan: yeah just cos you can doesnt mean you should, directors need to learn that
20:47 rangi           i did watch synchronised diving
20:47 rangi           thats insane
20:51 rambutan        hey rangi, what does the "Te" mean in Te Horowhenua Trust?
20:51 rangi           the
20:52 rambutan        ah, well, I was reading it like that, but didn't think it would be so obvious
20:53 rangi           want a job there?
20:53 rangi           http://www.horowhenua.govt.nz/Council/Careers/Job-Vacancies/
20:53 rangi           :)
20:54 rangi           http://tetakere.org.nz/index.php
20:54 rambutan        hummm. I'm thinking when I leave here I really need to do something challenging. I'd like to work on space systems or something
20:54 rambutan        and space is winding down here in the US, of course
20:55 rambutan        GIS maybe. Space imagery maybe.
20:56 rangi           yep
21:29 rangi           ok time to go find something to do with the kids
21:30 jcamins         rangi: I suggest finding haka classes. :)
21:30 * cait          agrees on haka
21:30 jcamins         Or performances, but if your sons are going to join in anyway, might as well go to classes, right?
21:30 jcamins         Less likely to confuse people. :)
22:52 jcamins         '"Vibrant" did you mean' features. Heh.
22:52 * jcamins       likes that requirement.