Time Nick Message
23:56 JoeLib001 Good, cause I can't find it. hehe.
23:56 rangi you can skip that one
23:56 rangi ahh its optional
23:54 JoeLib001 0 being my version and .36 being the version expected.
23:53 JoeLib001 I can't seem to find a package for this: CHI 0 * 0.36
23:50 JoeLib001 Ok, think I have the conf file good. Now I need to make sure to fix the 10 dependencies before I expect anything to work. ;-)
23:49 JoeLib001 Ok.
23:48 rangi dont need the intranet/cgi-bin on the end
23:47 rangi that will do it
23:47 rangi yep
23:47 JoeLib001 Ah, <intranetdir>/home/joe/kohaclone/intranet/cgi-bin</intranetdir>
23:47 rangi then yep, it is your apache conf
23:46 JoeLib001 Ah, no. I'm getting that when I try to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080
23:42 rangi im assuming you got it when you ran the command to get the dependencies?
23:42 rangi unless you got that in your webbrowser?
23:41 rangi your koha_conf.xml one
23:41 JoeLib001 Ah, the /etc/koha/apache-shared-intranet.conf file?
23:40 rangi config file is still not right
23:39 JoeLib001 ? NO /home/joe/kohaclone/intranet/cgi-bin/kohaversion.pl at /home/joe/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 220.
23:37 rangi less=list
23:37 rangi it will less all you are missing
23:37 rangi in your git checkout
23:37 rangi so ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
23:37 rangi koha_perl_deps.pl -m
23:37 JoeLib001 Ok, 'cause that fixed the first error. Now I have another. ;-)
23:36 rangi yep run
23:36 JoeLib001 So, I am running into dependency errors.
23:36 JoeLib001 Aaahh....
23:35 rangi its a new module, for 3.10.0 when thats released
23:35 rangi not unless you installed from the dev repo, because thats not needed for 3.8.x
23:35 rangi sudo apt-get install libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
23:35 JoeLib001 It wouldn't have been installed when I installed koha-common?
23:34 rangi yes, thats a module that Koha needs to run
23:34 JoeLib001 Trying to run Koha from my git install.
23:34 rangi you using debian/ubuntu or something else?
23:34 JoeLib001 I'm working with git.
23:34 rangi looks like you have missed installing a module
23:33 JoeLib001 Hmm..., still getting this error. Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/joe/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/joe/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 30.
23:28 rangi https://metacpan.org/module/Bench
23:28 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Regexp-Debugger/lib/Regexp/Debugger.pm
23:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #117 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:07 JoeLib001 I don't need to change this line? ScriptAlias /index.html "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl"
22:58 JoeLib001 Yep.
22:57 jcamins_away :)
22:57 jcamins_away mv /etc/koha/kohaclone /home/joelib001
22:57 jcamins_away No, just move the directory.
22:57 JoeLib001 Should I redo my kohaclone?
22:57 jcamins_away /etc is for configuration files only.
22:57 jcamins_away It should be in /home or something like that.
22:57 jcamins_away Your kohaclone shouldn't be in /etc.
22:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
22:56 JoeLib001 With the opening and closing tags.
22:56 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about file
22:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #116: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/116/
22:56 JoeLib001 Should Read: /etc/koha/kohaclone/?
22:56 JoeLib001 Lines like this: <intrahtdocs>/etc/koha/kohaclone/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl</intrahtdocs>
22:55 JoeLib001 Ok.
22:55 JoeLib001 Oh.
22:55 jcamins_away Yes.
22:54 JoeLib001 For the intranet/htdocs?
22:54 jcamins_away JoeLib001: point it just to the kohaclone directory.
22:54 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 23.9°C (6:32 PM EDT on August 01, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
22:54 jcamins_away @wunder 11375
22:54 JoeLib001 Hmm...., I am trying to point to a intranet directory in my kohaclone that doesn't exist. That's awesome. ;-)
22:53 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-)
22:50 libsysguy yup hot
22:49 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Lake Tyler (D3895), Tyler, Texas is 35.6°C (5:44 PM CDT on August 01, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT Thursday...
22:49 libsysguy @wunder 75707
22:43 drojf good night #koha
22:43 drojf i guess i made something weird too, now i don't find anything in koha :D screw it, going to bed
22:42 drojf you are just missing a dependency, apt-get libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
22:39 JoeLib001 Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/koha/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /etc/koha/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 30.
22:37 JoeLib001 Well, I didn't do something right. ;-)
22:20 drojf JoeLib001: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Dev_Env_Setup#Step:_Point_This_Koha_Instance_At_Your_Development_Code_Checkout
22:18 drojf would have been too great
22:17 jcamins JoeLib001: probably, but I've never tried it.
22:17 jcamins See my rewrite for a hopeful future where that's unnecessary.
22:16 jcamins drojf: don't change record.abs if you're using DOM. You still have to modify ccl.properties, Search.pm, and bib1.att as appropriate.
22:15 JoeLib001 So, all I should need to do is replace all /usr/share/koha paths with the kohaclone path?
22:15 JoeLib001 Eythian said this earlier: I install the packages and create an instance called 'dev', then I check out the git repo somewhere. Then modify koha-conf.xml and the apache conf to point everything to git rather than /usr/share/koha
22:14 drojf with dom indexing, do i only change the indexdefs files (or record.abs to generate it) if i need an extra index? what is with ccl.properties, Search.pm and bib1.att, can i forget them forever?
22:08 JoeLib001 Gotcha. I saw instructions on that somewhere.
22:08 jcamins (and everything else that's currently pointing at /usr/share/koha in the Apach conf file.
22:08 jcamins JoeLib001: you need to modify the Apache config file to point PERL5LIB to your git directory.
22:07 JoeLib001 I am assuming that's what I'm missing.
22:07 JoeLib001 How do I run Koha from git?
22:02 JoeLib001 Alright, Patch Applied.
22:00 melia actually, I think I answered my own question. I think the problem is bug 8338, now that I am reading it again.
22:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8338 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , fines not cleared with dropbox mode
22:00 melia or bug 8338
21:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date
21:59 melia this is related to bug 5644, which I am still confused about :)
21:58 melia I'm confused because return date is before date due, so I would have expected no fine to be charged. or does the fines script need to be run later in the day to keep those fines off?
21:58 melia and the fine was charged
21:58 melia the return date is showing as 7/31/2012 9:04
21:57 melia the librarian checked in the item on the morning of 8/1 with dropbox mode on.
21:57 melia the item was returned overnight in the dropbox. the fines script ran at 1:20am on 8/1.
21:57 melia here's the story: the date due was 7/31/2012 23:59.
21:56 melia I have a question about dropbox mode and fines (again).
21:56 JoeLib001 (I hate stupid features.) Such as the shortcut I just found for turning my screen sideways.
21:54 jcamins :)
21:54 cjh my typing today... *sigh*
21:54 jcamins path_to_path? :)
21:53 jcamins I always use wget.
21:53 cjh JoeLib001: one you have downloaded it "git am -ui3 <path_to_path>"
21:53 jcamins You download the patch file, the do "git am patchfilename"
21:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #116 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:53 JoeLib001 Ok, now how do I apply the patch? I think I am at that step now. I have it installed and have cloned koha and set it to user origin/master.
21:52 cjh jcamins: you were right before when you said youd only need children pointers, with a stack the parent pointers arent needed.
21:52 JoeLib001 :-)
21:52 jcamins It has file folder icons which are ugly and make no sense, but it's a start.
21:52 cjh jcamins++
21:52 jcamins I got it working.
21:52 jcamins Woohoo!
21:51 JoeLib001 Alright, I got that sorted out.
21:44 * rangi wanders off to a meeting
21:42 talljoy it only took me 8 hours to track down. i need a beer. after i write up this bug report.
21:41 talljoy or Charset.pm
21:41 talljoy well, it has tentacles remaining. at least in z39 imports
21:41 jcamins talljoy: see, here's the thing that makes it so weird: as of 3.8, BiblioAddsAuthorities is essentially a no-op.
21:40 JoeLib001 So, like this: git checkout -b mywork origin/master
21:40 talljoy seemed very odd to me too.
21:40 jcamins That seems... odd.
21:40 talljoy 3.8.01 and 3.8.02 i don't have a 3.8.03 to test on
21:40 jcamins Hm.
21:39 talljoy set to allow it causes that error. set to don't allow it works
21:39 jcamins Oh?
21:39 talljoy it turns out it is the "BiblioAddsAuthorities" syspref setting
21:39 jcamins Sorry, we're talking about a different problem with Z39.50.
21:39 talljoy well scroll back to this morning and I was getting an error for missing indicators
21:39 jcamins Oh, yes.
21:39 rangi yeah damn wetware
21:38 wahanui problem is its human beings doing it
21:38 jcamins talljoy: what problem?
21:38 wahanui origin/master is specify the mster branch from origin (upstream)
21:38 jcamins origin/master
21:38 talljoy jcamins: remember the problem i had with z3950?
21:38 JoeLib001 Like this: git checkout -b mywork origin
21:38 rangi and then the release maintainers, will cherry-pick them from master back to their branches if needed/desired
21:37 rangi unless they specifically state they are for a branch
21:37 rangi if so, then track master, all patches should be submitted/tested against master first
21:37 JoeLib001 I am mostly doing this so I can test the patch that jcamins created. I don't know about the future.
21:36 rangi do you plan to do development?
21:36 JoeLib001 Do I want to track the development version or the 3.8.x version?
21:35 JoeLib001 Night cait.
21:32 cait good night :)
21:32 cait jcamins++ :)
21:30 cait *hides*
21:30 cait hm missing space :)
21:28 jcamins Proof: http://screencast.com/t/tjdYEOde
21:26 jcamins Ah, got it.
21:26 jcamins Can I generate an anonymous hash with TT?
21:22 rangi cool
21:22 jcamins Requires a login.
21:22 jcamins Once it's actually working, I'll definitely clean it up.
21:22 maximep probably slow because we all tried it. Works for me :p
21:22 cait slow, but I can :)
21:21 cjh turn even.
21:21 cjh also could tyrn that last line in to two, up to you.
21:21 rangi http://library.education.govt.nz/ <-- can people see that?
21:21 cjh I was about to say you shoudl probably put the brackets in :)
21:21 maximep maybe adding () in the line would help a bit :P
21:21 jcamins Where are the children?
21:21 jcamins Now.
21:20 maximep I have to learn it all again every time I do any perl
21:20 maximep seriously the perl syntax just escapes my brain, no mather how many hours I work with it
21:20 cjh heh
21:19 maximep haha
21:19 jcamins maximep: sure... I could've kept it the way I originally wrote it.
21:19 rangi nothing to see
21:19 rangi upgraded bugzilla, just a point release
21:19 jcamins For twenty minutes.
21:19 maximep wow
21:19 maximep could your last line be more complicated ?
21:19 jcamins And did.
21:19 jcamins It would indeed.
21:19 jcamins Yup.
21:19 cjh wouldnt the @$branch->{children} at the end of the last line cause issues
21:18 cjh heh
21:18 jcamins It works fine.
21:18 jcamins Never mind.
21:18 jcamins Wait.
21:17 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "the offending code" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/69
21:16 jcamins Unfortunately, this is the key part of the algorithm.
21:16 jcamins If I do '$VAR1->{children} = []' right before this line, it still doesn't work.
21:15 cjh I am still far more fluent in c than in perl, I often miss being able to easily see what the 'type' or an argument or return value is.
21:14 jcamins 'Cause I would've known what the hell format the data I had was in.
21:14 jcamins cjh: yep. If this were C I could've been done twenty minutes ago.
21:13 cjh ohhh pointers, do I smell a c programmer?
21:13 * jcamins really misses strongly-typed languages, and even pointers, every time time he starts working with hashes and arrays.
21:12 jcamins Okay, that means I'm doing something non-obviously wrong.
21:12 cjh my $VAR1 = { 'children' => [] }; push @{$VAR1->{'children'}}, "hello"; seems to work for me.
21:11 rangi probably just an array
21:10 jcamins It tells me it's not an ARRAY reference, but doesn't tell me what it *is*.
21:09 cjh back even.
21:09 jcamins However, it still doesn't work.
21:09 cjh yeah, I said it bakcwards >.>
21:09 jcamins Higher, rather.
21:09 jcamins Yup.
21:09 cjh the @ may have a lower precedence than the ->
21:08 jcamins Actually, the { } are required here.
21:08 cjh rangi: yeah I usually scatter unneeded {}'s everywhere :)
21:08 jcamins rangi: $VAR1->{children} is supposed to be an arrayref.
21:07 rangi or even without the { } but its more readable with them
21:07 * wizzyrea is totally cracking up.
21:07 rangi yep
21:07 cjh jcamins: push @{$VAR1->{children}}, $blah ?
21:07 * wizzyrea suspects jcamins already knows how to do *that*
21:07 rangi you dont push, its a hash :)
21:06 wahanui wait wait is, like, there a new git bz/
21:06 wizzyrea wait wait
21:06 jcamins I was taking a drink of water when you said that!
21:06 wizzyrea har har har
21:06 * wizzyrea quips "become a female"
21:06 jcamins I *always* have trouble with this.
21:06 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "How do I push something onto $VAR1->{children}?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/68
21:01 jcamins cjh: heh. Exactly.
21:00 cjh jcamins: oh well if it compiles then you are pretty much finished...
21:00 wizzyrea oh I get how dangerous daleks are.
21:00 jcamins cjh: it compiles. :)
21:00 libsysguy nothing like infinite recursion
21:00 wizzyrea :)
21:00 libsysguy heh
21:00 cjh jcamins: ummm, progress? :p
20:59 jcamins Infinite recursion!
20:59 cjh wizzyrea: clearly you don't understand how truly dangerous they are.
20:59 jcamins I have passed the first test of writing a recursive algorithm.
20:59 jcamins Woohoo!
20:59 wizzyrea I really want a blow up dalek
20:58 cjh haha blow up daleks being passed around
20:57 cait night magnuse :)
20:57 rangi cya magnuse
20:57 JoeLib001 Night Magnuse.
20:57 magnuse g'night #koha - have fun!
20:57 cait yes :)
20:56 rangi it is :)
20:56 cjh orbital dr who is epic!
20:56 JoeLib001 Ok, I have a good functional Koha setup on a test server. Now I install Git?
20:56 libsysguy hehe
20:55 jcamins libsysguy: yes! That's the label I was looking for earlier.
20:55 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:55 jcamins @quote get 123
20:55 huginn jcamins: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:55 jcamins @quite get 123
20:54 libsysguy so its an non-symmetric digraph?
20:54 jcamins cjh: this is what makes it so painful... I will either have links to parents *or* I will have links to children, but probably not to both.
20:54 libsysguy ^^
20:53 cjh but recursion is going to be tidier :)
20:53 cjh jcamins: if each node had a link to their parent and you also had a stack you could make it iterative
20:53 libsysguy no, okay thanks everybody :p
20:53 libsysguy objections to removing the exceptions table from holidays
20:52 jcamins I figure I'll write the recursive, and if I don't like it, then I'll find someone to help me make it iterative.
20:52 wizzyrea I like it
20:52 wizzyrea this version is super growly
20:51 rangi nope
20:51 wizzyrea that makes it NO LESS AWESOME
20:51 libsysguy if you were having to open a C4 module every time you'd have an issue :p
20:51 rangi wizzyrea: yep its been around for ever
20:50 jcamins libsysguy: that's my theory.
20:50 wizzyrea what is funny, is that orbital has been doing this remix since long before nu who
20:50 libsysguy well since you're not looking at a huge overhead in the object you're dealing with I don't see why a recursive solution is all bad
20:50 cjh heh
20:49 jcamins Right now, we get around this by avoiding turning it into a tree.
20:49 * wizzyrea cheers for the mashing of awesome things
20:49 jcamins Handling the separate trees is easy to do iteratively, but processing that (and it could be arbitrarily long) will be an issue.
20:48 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByOU5CwuZjU
20:48 cjh iteration will be messy as the depth is unknown and you need to go back up the tree
20:48 jcamins So you see exactly what I'm trying to do, I want to convert a string like this: "1,2,6;3,5,6" into two trees.
20:47 jcamins cjh: toldja.
20:47 cjh jcamins: recursion is easier then, but now its like a puzzle :)
20:47 * chris_n passes rangi the jam
20:47 rangi mmm bread
20:47 jcamins cjh: depth first.
20:46 cjh jcamins: do you want breadth or depth first?
20:45 magnuse yeah, that makes sense, thanks
20:45 magnuse ah, but probably for all the other stuff
20:45 jcamins It uses memcached for other things right away, though.
20:45 jcamins No.
20:44 magnuse hm, i just realized munin is picking up memcached activity, but i didn't actually change the SessionStorage syspref yet (*facepalm*) - does it use memcached for sessions just because the SetEnvs are set, independent of the syspref?
20:43 magnuse ah ok
20:43 jcamins magnuse: sysprefs, koha-conf, frameworks, i18n tables, and a few other things.
20:42 jcamins magnuse: yes.
20:42 magnuse oh another lazy question: does koha use memcached for anything other than sessions once the SetEnvs are set?
20:41 cjh ok, I'll have a quick play with perl.
20:41 jcamins I'm reworking the authority hierarchy stuff to be more tree-like and less... not.
20:41 jcamins cjh: not at the moment. I'm writing it from scratch.
20:40 magnuse phew, looks like memcached is actually working for the sessions now, and my shoulders only ache a little from editing all those apache configs...
20:40 cjh jcamins: is the code online anywhere so I can have a peek?
20:39 jcamins cjh: can you use a ref to a leaf in another variable?
20:39 jcamins But if I can't wrap my mind around the algorithm, it's probably not going to be easier to maintain.
20:39 cjh jcamins: what do you mean by 'pointers for iterating down a tree'? wouldn't a scalar ref suffice?
20:39 maximep sometimes recursivity is easier heh
20:38 jcamins maximep: I'd use an iterative algorithm if I could wrap my mind around it.
20:38 maximep recursivity ftw... until you're 10 layers deep
20:38 * cait would go back too
20:37 magnuse rangi: lucky her, i'd go back there in no time given half a chance :-)
20:37 * jcamins gives up, switches to a recursive algorithm.
20:36 jcamins Perl doesn't have pointers for iterating down a tree.
20:36 jcamins Hm.
20:35 rangi magnuse: thanks!, im recommending it to Karen Schneider
20:35 jcamins And, for the third time in three weeks, I can't remember how to convert a recursive algorithm to an iterative one.
20:34 cait :)
20:34 cait ts.
20:34 jcamins This is the third time in three weeks that I found myself wanting to use a for() loop where recursion was the obvious solution.
20:32 jcamins Yeah, just correct it to reflect real paths.
20:32 magnuse rangi: http://booklovers.co.nz/
20:32 jcamins Ah.
20:32 rangi cool :)
20:32 rangi oh
20:31 drojf jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing
20:31 magnuse rangi: slef and i stayed there, though
20:31 magnuse rangi: booklovers?
20:31 jcamins drojf: where do you see that?
20:30 rangi anyone remember?
20:30 rangi for kohacon10
20:30 rangi what was the name of that b&b that daniel stayed at, that had all the books and stuff?
20:30 drojf the wiki says i should use "<xi:include href="/home/paul/"… for dom indexing. so we all index on pauls computer? :)
20:30 rangi ok
20:28 drojf i wonder if there is something wrong. and is to blame for my missing indexes
20:28 jcamins Though there shouldn't be any interconnection... I think...
20:28 jcamins I guess you'd call it a graph.
20:28 jcamins GRS-1.
20:27 drojf "index" not found
20:27 jcamins If it doesn't say anything, it uses GRS-1.
20:27 jcamins See what it says about indexing.
20:27 jcamins drojf: open up koha-conf.xml.
20:26 jcamins What do you even call a data structure like that?
20:26 drojf erm. how would i know if my koha uses GRS-1 or DOM indexing?
20:26 kathryn hey cait :)
20:26 jcamins Any given node in this tree has 0, 1, or n parents.
20:25 jcamins I have discovered the problem.
20:25 jcamins Ah-ha!
20:25 cait morning kathryn :)
20:24 kathryn morning all
20:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Adding a Staff Patron in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/zerGssYQ"
20:20 oleonard Later #koha
20:15 rangi yeah good idea
20:13 chris_n drink more coffee
20:11 rangi its gonna be like that today
20:11 rangi lol
20:11 rangi /ws wiz
20:08 magnuse jcamins: thanks
20:07 magnuse gah
20:07 jcamins magnuse: yes.
20:07 magnuse and just to be on the safe side: the SetEnv has to be done for both the opac and the intranet configs, right?
20:07 jcamins JesseM: one further note: use DOM.
20:07 magnuse yup
20:07 jcamins magnuse: it could come in handy one day. :)
20:07 magnuse and here i was just figuring out how to use sed to change all the koha-conf.xml's...
20:06 jcamins :)
20:06 magnuse ah SetEnv, thanks!
20:05 JesseM Jcamins: Yes!
20:05 jcamins JesseM: don't you have developers who do this sort of thing for you?
20:05 jcamins JesseM: you're welcome.
20:05 JesseM thanks for the info
20:04 jcamins magnuse: right.
20:04 rangi Yeah SetEnv
20:04 jcamins So you need to update biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml, then update the XSLT.
20:04 magnuse so when this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Performance#Configuration talks about "enviroment variables" it's actually talking about the apache config?
20:04 jcamins JesseM: but, since you're on 3.8, you should be using DOM.
20:03 rangi Yay
20:03 jcamins JesseM: you would need to update record.abs if you are using GRS-1.
20:03 magnuse ah
20:03 jcamins I since fixed it, so that we can put it in a configuration file.
20:03 jcamins magnuse: with the new cache code that was pushed, ENV was the best choice.
20:02 JesseM jcamins: if you add a field to the index does the record.abs file get updated?
20:02 magnuse jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Cache_handling_in_Koha#Votes ?
20:01 magnuse ah hah!
20:01 * jcamins ponders this code, gets a truffle.
20:01 rangi It's ignoring the conf file need to set it in the apache conf
20:01 cait tthat would be nice
20:00 jcamins So we could go back to storing the configuration in a sane place.
20:00 cait oh good start
20:00 jcamins Which is now in Koha.
20:00 jcamins cait: no, but I had a patch that made it possible to undo it.
20:00 rangi That might be the problem Magnus
20:00 cait *hope*
20:00 cait jcamins: didn't you have a patch undoing it?
20:00 * jcamins too
20:00 rangi I still hate that
19:59 jcamins v. mad
19:59 rangi Instead of conf file
19:59 jcamins Yes.
19:59 rangi Didn't someone on a fit of madness shift it to env variables now?
19:59 rangi Not that I'm aware of
19:58 magnuse rangi or someone else: are there any rules for what goes in <memcached_namespace></memcached_namespace>? are underscores a problem?
19:58 JoeLib001 I think my mind is going....
19:56 JoeLib001 I just thought I had done it. Apparently not. hehe ;-)
19:56 JoeLib001 Actually, the dba probably ran the second part. This is what we did: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_Koha_3.6_on_Debian_squeeze_using_a_separate_MySQL_server
19:51 JoeLib001 Ok. I think I may be missing a step in my instructions then.
19:50 jcamins If you already have the database created, you need to *use* the database, not give your dba instructions on how to create it.
19:49 jcamins JoeLib001: no.
19:49 JoeLib001 Assuming I already had a DB Created. All that would have done was created a file for the IT Admin to look at that explained what was needed for the Koha DB?
19:47 magnuse oook, looks like i didn't set up memcached properly somehow, and koha is defaulting sessions to temporary files. ouch!
19:47 rangi The other an instance and a file you can use or give to someone to create a db for you
19:46 JoeLib001 Ah, no. Probably should.
19:46 magnuse JoeLib001: have you tried "man koha-create"?
19:46 rangi One creates a koha instance and a db
19:45 rangi I think you are misunderstanding still
19:45 JoeLib001 cat koha-db-request.txt was my second command after the request.
19:44 rangi We gpg encrypt it and email it to dba
19:44 JoeLib001 Ah, this command: sudo koha-create --request-db koha makes it so when I import my existing db all is well?
19:44 cait morning rangi
19:44 rangi To have them create one.
19:44 rangi The request one creates instructions you can give to your sysadmin
19:43 jcamins No, that command creates the database.
19:43 rangi Morning
19:43 JoeLib001 I thought that's what this command did: sudo koha-create --create-db biblio.
19:41 maximep easier, but makes it possible to have duplicates
19:41 maximep just simple fields where you type what you want
19:41 jcamins JoeLib001: the former uses an existing database, the second gives you instruction for creating one.
19:41 magnuse JoeLib001: the first uses an existing database, the second means you have to run the command, go create your database and come back and run the first
19:41 maximep my patch doesn't have the new course, new instructors, etc
19:40 cait :)
19:40 cait maximep: I would be interested to see what you have in comparison
19:40 JoeLib001 Other than the db name on the end?
19:39 JoeLib001 What's the difference between: sudo koha-create --use-db biblio and sudo koha-create --request-db koha
19:39 maximep haven't tested his, really
19:39 maximep well
19:39 maximep well to tell you the truth his patch is the better one
19:39 magnuse wow, why do i have about a million files in /tmp called something like cgisess_9ae860d23a8e27e163ae5c4130df0f0b ?
19:38 jcamins Uhhh... you should submit it rebased against master.
19:38 jcamins That way the preferred implementation can get in.
19:38 maximep rebased it on 3.8.2
19:38 jcamins (if you've successfully rebased it)
19:38 jcamins maximep: you might as well submit your code.
19:38 maximep code I did 1 year ago. Arg.
19:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves
19:37 maximep damn, just found bug 8215 minutes before sending a patch for the same feature
19:32 * magnuse converts all his instances to use memcached for sessions
19:31 magnuse have fun eythian!
19:30 cait have a nice evening :)
19:30 eythian cait: yeah, I'll let you know ;)
19:30 cait or you can show me how to do it once you are here :D
19:29 cait eythian: i still have dom and icu on my wish list :)
19:29 cait eythian: if you are on the train and working on pacakges anyway...
19:29 eythian not too surprising
19:29 eythian eh brazil is good at that, we're not.
19:28 eythian it does feel a bit like that sometimes
19:28 magnuse ouch brazil beat nz in olympic footie!
19:28 magnuse you do seem to spend a lot of time on trains :-)
19:28 magnuse cool! :-)
19:27 eythian I do have 8 hours of train travel tomorrow, maybe then :)
19:27 eythian not as such...
19:27 * magnuse is evil
19:27 eythian no
19:27 eythian um
19:27 eythian magnuse: oh
19:27 magnuse eythian: did you get around to the i18n stuff?
19:27 wizzyrea :D have fun
19:26 * eythian is done with work stuff and is going to watch tv shows or something
19:26 eythian yeah, that's a bit more reasonable. The ones we host are mostly companies or government who a) have reliable internet and b) are only there during business hours
19:26 wizzyrea so many times it recovers from whatever slow in 5 or so minutes
19:26 wizzyrea adding the requirement that they wait for 10 minutes, and check local internet connectivity before calling cut it down to maybe 1-3 times a month
19:25 eythian erk
19:25 wizzyrea like, at least 3-4 times a week
19:25 wizzyrea when we first got on remotely hosted koha we were answering off hours calls all the time when the local internet was down
19:25 eythian Our phone numbers are in emails and contracts and stuff, but they don't seem to actually use them often.
19:24 eythian they can, but they don't usually.
19:24 magnuse ip-telephony ftw!
19:24 wizzyrea hehe but they can still call? or no?
19:24 eythian fortunately in our case, if the whole internet is down for them, they can't file a ticket on our system :)
19:24 jcamins oleonard: http://biblio.nantes.archi.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=15264
19:23 eythian yeah, that's useful.
19:23 * wizzyrea states the obvious
19:23 wizzyrea that cuts down the amount of time I have to spend talking to you and decreases the amount of time you have to spend without a system. It's a super good fun happy time win
19:22 wizzyrea "I tried using the internet, and everything else still works" AWESOME
19:22 wizzyrea BUT we get much better problem reports on down systems now
19:21 eythian wizzyrea: ah right :)
19:21 * jcamins hadn't really considered this question before.
19:21 jcamins UNIMARCers like it collapsible?
19:20 jcamins Uhhh...
19:20 jcamins But it's very ugly.
19:20 oleonard jcamins: Why?
19:20 jcamins We actually have the Javascript in place to do collapsing.
19:20 wizzyrea <- is the IT people
19:20 jcamins oleonard: it should be collapsible.
19:20 wizzyrea :)
19:20 eythian (or they're self-hosting in which case that kind of thing is their IT peoples' issue)
19:20 wizzyrea right
19:19 oleonard jcamins: I suppose you could use a tree-table type display, although you wouldn't actually want them collapsing
19:19 eythian although, most of ours only have support during business hours anyway
19:19 eythian wizzyrea: also useful
19:19 jcamins Very small.
19:19 wizzyrea why yes, we do in fact make them wait 10 minutes.
19:18 jcamins It's a small hierarchy.
19:18 jcamins Right.
19:18 wizzyrea [off] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A7hjyn3PEWuMjG4a8y4fpiDKztvmAg2QjYWYNiAA8OE/edit < for eythian
19:18 oleonard specifically the links at the top?
19:18 jcamins :)
19:18 jcamins But it is a hierarchy.
19:18 jcamins That is not attractive.
19:18 jcamins I will show you what is not attractive: http://screencast.com/t/S0JNOROqveP
19:17 oleonard and by hierarchies you mean...?
19:17 jcamins And by good I mean "attractive.
19:17 jcamins What is a good way to represent hierarchies?
19:16 wizzyrea which he doesn't really address
19:16 wizzyrea but ours had to do with "down system" problems
19:16 wizzyrea maybe I dreamed that
19:16 wizzyrea hm I don't see our "reporting problems" post
19:12 eythian wizzyrea: I think that's 99% of what I'd include.
19:10 wizzyrea http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/04/09/entering-good-support-tickets/
19:09 * eythian tries to include them in documentation so I know they've been thought about
19:09 eythian I think Koha needs a bit more focus on "what happens in edge cases" just so it'll at least keep working when something unexpected pops up.
19:08 eythian As far as I can tell, the dates that trigger this shouldn't be null but in some circumstances end up like that.
19:08 cait oleonard: oh, sounds unpleasant :(
19:08 eythian ta
19:08 wizzyrea :)
19:08 wizzyrea i will look it up for you, sec
19:07 eythian ah cool, will have to have a dig for it
19:07 wizzyrea "writing good tickets" or somesuch
19:07 wizzyrea and bywater has a post on it
19:07 wizzyrea eythian: I think we did that
19:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Signed Off , Old/iffy data causes error checking out
19:07 oleonard cait my rant is prompted by Bug 8532 which just struck our production system
19:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4226 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't replace 001 when keepids is not specified
19:06 jcamins Bug 4226.
19:06 jcamins Ah-ha!
19:06 eythian "screenshots, biblionumbers, barcodes...these are a few of my favourite things"
19:06 jcamins Okay, I think there's a patch for this.
19:06 cait you could make a list of all books returned by that staff member that day...
19:06 * eythian should make a little "reporting an issue" checklist for them
19:06 JoeLib001 Hehehehe.
19:06 cait lol
19:06 oleonard "I checked in a book and the hold message didn't come up!" "Which book?" "I dunno."
19:05 jcamins Aaaargh!
19:05 cait are we talking about a specific bug?
19:05 eythian usually after a few rounds they get good about providing detail
19:05 eythian I'd rather a full screenshot with a circle around the important bit
19:05 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-)
19:05 eythian oleonard: I can see the motivation in this case, it highlights the exact issue - but misses e.g. the biblionumber that's causing it.
19:05 cait just fire questions back - it normally helps :)
19:04 oleonard Just my bad luck then cait :)
19:04 cait oleonard: most of ours are pretty good at reporting
19:04 cait oleonard: hm, not sure all are
19:04 eythian possibly my most used command combo
19:03 oleonard Librarians tell their patrons to be very specific in reference interviews, so why are librarians so bad at being specific when it comes time to report problems?
19:03 eythian jcamins: zcat filefrommysqldump.sql.gz | sudo koha-mysql dev
19:03 jcamins I never thought of creating an instance first.
19:02 JoeLib001 :-)
19:02 jcamins eythian: that's *brilliant*.
19:01 eythian [off] heh, we have one client (who is lovely and a very good client) who has been sending me some screenshots illustrating issues, a wee bit overcropped, it's almost artistic - they're often missing the key bit of info letting me see it on my own screen.
18:59 * oleonard mentally composes a rant on staff members who submit vague and misleading error reports
18:56 eythian and doesn't really matter in a dev env so long as you're aware of it.
18:55 eythian it's used by the cli tools, but that's minor.
18:55 eythian yeah
18:55 eythian oleonard: or if you mean the tools, stuff like koha-rebuild-zebra (which is just a wrapper) and koha-mysql (which is the handiest thing in the world, if I do say so myself)
18:55 oleonard eythian: So /user/share/koha still exists, but it's not being used
18:55 eythian oleonard: I install the packages and create an instance called 'dev', then I check out the git repo somewhere. Then modify koha-conf.xml and the apache conf to point everything to git rather than /usr/share/koha
18:54 * wizzyrea imagines eythian saying meta in his awesome kiwi accent
18:54 JoeLib001 :-)
18:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 normal, P5 - low, ---, sofiane.elharsal, Pushed to Master , create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha
18:54 eythian Bug 7968 will make this easier for the future too.
18:53 wizzyrea yes, I too am interested in eythian's black magic.
18:52 eythian in which direction? :)
18:52 oleonard Can you elaborate eythian?
18:52 eythian It means I can keep the handy tools to do things.
18:51 eythian I usually install the packages, and then modify the confs to point to git when building a dev environment.
18:51 * oleonard didn't realize you could mix packages and a git install
18:50 eythian oleonard: all the dependencies in one fell swoop.
18:50 eythian there's going to be a package that installs all the dependencies. It'll be nice when that gets in.
18:49 oleonard What does installing koha-common get you?
18:49 cait ?
18:49 cait and still have to install mysql I think
18:49 JoeLib001 Good to know. :-)
18:48 JoeLib001 Ah, gotcha.
18:48 cait yep
18:48 jcamins That's how I do it.
18:48 jcamins I suggest you install the koha-common package, and then do the git install.
18:48 eythian it just gets you the source code
18:48 jcamins No.
18:48 eythian JoeLib001: no
18:48 JoeLib001 Will git install all of the necessary things for koha such as a MySQL Server and all that?
18:48 eythian looks like a neat little project
18:48 cait very cool :)
18:47 eythian awesome
18:47 jeff eythian: https://www.tadl.org/littlefreelibrary
18:46 eythian jeff: nice work :)
18:46 jeff eythian: our library established the first one in the area in one of our neighborhoods. since then, two others have been created in a matter of months -- one using our building plans. :-)
18:46 eythian oleonard: that patch should fix it anyway
18:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Signed Off , Old/iffy data causes error checking out
18:46 oleonard eythian: Bug 8532 looks like it's the one, although I see the problem in issues, not old_issues
18:45 eythian http://www.littlefreelibrary.org/ <-- on a scale of 1 to awesome, this is super great.
18:43 wahanui unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
18:43 jcamins unimarc?
18:40 eythian I think the latter
18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Signed Off , Old/iffy data causes error checking out
18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8391 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Cannot view reading record through staff client
18:40 eythian oleonard: most likely either bug 8391 or bug 8532
18:38 oleonard Thanks eythian
18:38 * eythian has a look for bug numbers
18:38 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
18:38 eythian oleonard: I've patched that
18:36 cait you mean this is evil
18:36 cait :(
18:35 oleonard ...when trying load patron in circulation by scanning their barcode
18:35 oleonard Can't call method "strftime" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/Koha/DateUtils.pm line 117.
18:35 oleonard Oh this is fun
18:33 jcamins :D
18:33 jcamins cait: ah, true.
18:33 cait jcamins: preparing to create some branches with applied patches :)
18:33 cait jcamins: new interface - no change in procedure, but screen changes maybe
18:31 * jcamins will nudge rangi if he doesn't pick it up on his own.
18:31 tcohen no need to mention it so rangi applies it to 3.8?
18:30 jcamins It will apply apply cleanly. :)
18:30 jcamins tcohen: no need to sign off again.
18:30 tcohen should i try to apply and sign against 3.8.x?
18:30 tcohen jcamins: i need it in 3.8.x :-D
18:30 jcamins tcohen++
18:29 wizzyrea I forgot to open it
18:29 jcamins Also, I didn't think there was any change in the procedure since the video of the same title for 3.4, which nengard posted last month.
18:28 wizzyrea hehe
18:28 JoeLib001 Where was the opening tag? ;-)
18:28 jcamins Agreed.
18:27 wizzyrea </gripe>
18:27 wizzyrea a staff patron is different from a staff login, and koha has both.
18:27 wizzyrea ugh, the title of that should probably be "adding a staff account" or "adding a staff login"
18:19 JoeLib001 Ok, I will double check with our Cataloger to make sure we can use it. I think our subscription allows it.
18:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Adding a Staff Patron in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/tXr1wgis #kohails"
18:08 jcamins JoeLib001: also, use the bibliofile Z39.50 server if your subscription allows.
17:59 JoeLib001 7 minutes until it's downloaded. Wish I had this fast of internet at home. :-)
17:56 jcamins I recommend Squeeze.
17:56 JoeLib001 What version of Debian is recommended? The most recent version?
17:54 jcamins Unless you used one of the livecds/appliances, in which case... probably better to start over.
17:54 jcamins Heh. You can use the same install.
17:53 JoeLib001 Almost certainly better than trying to update my old Virtualbox Install anyway. :-)
17:53 JoeLib001 Ok, I will work on getting a git server up and going. Probably will take a couple of hours.
17:49 jcamins ^^ and it's very easy.
17:49 JoeLib001 Ok
17:49 wahanui rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
17:49 jcamins git?
17:49 jcamins Then you can test things more easily.
17:48 jcamins I'd suggest setting up git on your test server.
17:48 JoeLib001 I don't think I have a git install. I think I installed it manually. I can do a git install though.
17:48 jcamins Right, but what about your test server?
17:47 jcamins If you have a git install, you can do all the signing off yourself. If not, you might have to apply the patch manually, test it, and have someone else add the sign off line to the patch.
17:47 JoeLib001 My production server is installed from the Debian Packages.
17:47 JoeLib001 I probably have a lot of updating and what not that I need to do on it. To get it to where I am at.
17:47 jcamins Do you have a git install?
17:46 jcamins Oh, that's even better. :)
17:46 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
17:46 cait sandboxes?
17:46 jcamins Just add the appropriate Z39.50 server profile to the sandbox while you're testing it, then delete it.
17:46 JoeLib001 I have Koha setup in Virtualbox.
17:46 cait sandbox?
17:46 jcamins You could even use a sandbox to test it.
17:45 jcamins Right.
17:45 JoeLib001 So, what I should do is run the patch on a test server and wait for an official patch?
17:44 jcamins But, it's not impossible.
17:44 jcamins The chances of that particular patch having any ramifications other than (potentially) breaking Z39.50 copy cataloging a little more are incredibly slight.
17:44 jcamins Right.
17:43 JoeLib001 Gotcha, because it could break something irrevocably?
17:43 jcamins Ever, ever, ever, ever.
17:43 jcamins But don't do that on production.
17:43 jcamins The way you would apply it would be to go to the root of your Koha install, and run patch < patchfilename.patch
17:43 JoeLib001 Hehe.
17:42 jcamins Bad!
17:42 jcamins No!
17:42 * jcamins slaps JoeLib001 on the wrist.
17:42 JoeLib001 Yes.
17:42 jcamins You're not doing this on a production server, are you?
17:42 JoeLib001 Run it?
17:42 jcamins Wait.
17:42 jcamins It's a patch.
17:42 JoeLib001 Ok, should I copy and paste it into the file where it belongs?
17:40 JoeLib001 Ok, I am checking it.
17:39 jcamins :)
17:39 cait might fix an open ticket for me too :)
17:39 cait jcamins++
17:39 jcamins If it works, you should sign off.
17:38 jcamins JoeLib001: I have attached a patch, which you should test.
17:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic
17:35 jcamins Bug 8550.
17:31 JoeLib001 Gotcha.
17:31 jcamins Also, our handling of ISBN vs. ISSN is... nonexistent.
17:31 jcamins Yup.
17:31 JoeLib001 Is it choking on the Structure vs Truncation?
17:30 JoeLib001 Cool. :-)
17:30 * jcamins will even fix it, since it'll take five minutes.
17:30 JoeLib001 Well, that's good to know. :-)
17:30 JoeLib001 Hehe. :-)
17:29 jcamins JoeLib001: no, but now I see what the problem is, and I can unilaterally decide it should be fixed. :)
17:29 JoeLib001 So, theoretically it should work?
17:28 jcamins JoeLib001: that page from ITSMARC is exactly what was needed.
17:27 * jcamins looks at the code.
17:27 jcamins Blech!
17:25 JoeLib001 I found two things in my search. One what looks like the itsmarc config settings: http://www.itsmarc.com/z3950.asp. Two I found the z3950_search.pl.
17:22 jcamins My second thought was "wouldn't it be better to use snprint?"
17:22 cait lol
17:21 JoeLib001 Hehe. :-)
17:20 jcamins "What does Shakespeare have to do with string manipulation?"
17:20 jcamins My first thought?
17:20 jcamins An article just came across my RSS feed reader with the following headline: "Sprint for Shakespeare."
17:16 JoeLib001 Hmm...., search via issn works peachy.
17:11 * oleonard goes to try every increment between 365 and 1000
17:10 oleonard 999 doesn't either.
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8405 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , add IntranetBiblioDefaultView and BiblioDefaultView to XSLT.pm
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8408 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8518 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Self checkout does not display debt amount if syspref AllowFineOverride is set to allow
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8503 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error n edit items with EasyAnalyticalRecords
17:10 jenkins_koha * gaetan.boisson: Bug 8405 : add IntranetBiblioDefaultView and BiblioDefaultView in XSLT.pm
17:10 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8408 - Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank
17:10 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8518 - Self checkout does not display debt amount if syspref AllowFineOverride is set to allow
17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Statistics tab in patron module
17:10 jenkins_koha * mjr: Add Street Address searchfields set to patrons search header widget
17:10 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8503: Software error in edit items with EasyAnalyticalRecords
17:10 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7955: Followup : Check the syspref value (avoid sql injection)
17:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #796: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/796/
17:08 wahanui i guess 999 is used somehow
17:08 jcamins 999?
17:07 oleonard 60 works, 365 works, but 1000 doesn't.
17:04 oleonard Interesting... it does work with a narrower date range
17:02 oleonard Oh, well then. :P
17:02 jcamins oleonard: bug?
17:01 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why doesn't this script pick up items due 2002-08-08?" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/67
16:51 JoeLib001 Thanks for the information. :-) I will see what I can find out.
16:50 jcamins However, you could also (conceivably) change which attribute is you're using for ISBN searches while we're arguing.
16:50 JoeLib001 Heheheheeh. :-)
16:50 jcamins Tell us, and we'll argue at length about what to do with that knowledge.
16:49 JoeLib001 What would I need to do, if I found what the bib-1 attribute is?
16:49 jcamins Then again, they might not.
16:49 jcamins ITSMARC may be able to tell you which bib-1 attributes they are using, too.
16:48 jcamins You'll need to find out what bib-1 attributes are being mapped for that one.
16:47 JoeLib001 via ISBN.
16:47 JoeLib001 We do a search in a different cataloging system and it works.
16:47 cait bummer.
16:47 jcamins A lot of Z39.50 targets don't support ISBN.
16:46 cait I have had problems with isbn search too
16:46 JoeLib001 Gotcha.
16:46 jcamins They aren't using the ISBN bib-1 attribute.
16:46 JoeLib001 Bummer. :-)
16:46 jcamins Can't really help you, because it'll be something to do with their configuration.
16:46 jcamins Ah.
16:45 JoeLib001 I'm doing a Z39.50 search on itsmarc.
16:45 JoeLib001 3.08.01.000
16:45 jcamins If you're searching another catalog via Z39.50, Koha has nothing to do with how the search is interpreted.
16:44 jcamins Wait, what are you searching?
16:44 JoeLib001 I think the real problem is that I can't get search for an ISBN to show up.
16:44 huginn 04Bug 8505: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Records with leading spaces in the 001 line do not return Z39.50 search results.
16:43 JoeLib001 I think the Bug I reported isn't a bug. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8505
16:43 jcamins What version of Koha?
16:43 jcamins That's odd.
16:43 jcamins Ah.
16:43 JoeLib001 I copy and pasted the isbn in the record to the z39.50 search and it doesn't show up.
16:42 jcamins JoeLib001: you have to enter the ISBN in *exactly* the same format it is entered in the record, I believe.
16:42 JoeLib001 gotcha.
16:42 jcamins JoeLib001: in that case, the error has nothing to do with your problem.
16:42 JoeLib001 Probably Not. I think the other files were empty.
16:42 JoeLib001 Ah..., hmm...
16:41 JoeLib001 I am doing a search for an ISBN and it returns no results, but I do a search for the same item by title and it shows up.
16:41 jcamins JoeLib001: zebra-output.log.1 is an old log. Are you getting it in your current log, too?
16:41 JoeLib001 I am getting this error in the zebra-output.log.1 file: 09:49:43-01/08 zebrasrv(382) [warn] ir_session (exception)
16:39 JoeLib001 Hello. :-)
16:37 gmcharlt works for me
16:37 jcamins Nope.
16:37 * jcamins is checking.
16:35 jorgedec_smfpl hello all, is the Koha Git server down?
16:35 oleonard Hi jorgedec_smfpl
16:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #796 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 28 days ago)
16:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8405 : add IntranetBiblioDefaultView and BiblioDefaultView in XSLT.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=134445d7e54262b2ff77dd36f827f4bbc6c04047> / Bug 8408 - Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82312383117ec5df678262391ba7a17e94b75336> / Bug 8518 - Self checkout does not display debt am
16:02 * wizzyrea could be wrong
16:02 wizzyrea well I think the 3.0 frameworks are different from the 3.8 ones?
15:38 gaetan_B bye !
15:38 talljoy i suspect the z39 sources or the frameworks. time to wipe and load fresh ones.
15:38 talljoy yeah, i'm 100% this is specific to this install. it is a koha to koha upgrade from 3.0 to 3.8
15:38 wizzyrea maybe in a framework talljoy?
15:37 oleonard No problem here saving an LOC record on 3.8.3 talljoy
15:37 talljoy and seems to be related to some config/setting in their database somewhere......
15:36 talljoy this one is a wacky problem
15:36 talljoy thx jcamins
15:36 talljoy that's my first order of business (altho i hold out little hope. lol)
15:36 jcamins I'd definitely try upgrading.
15:34 talljoy barring that, then a clean reinstall on a fresh server.
15:34 talljoy yes, it's still the same setup. and yes, pretty dern sure it's the same version. at this point, I'm going to upgrade the version (since they will be live on a different version) and then reinstall their z39 clients.
15:33 jcamins Are you sure it's the exact same version? You're on the load server, which -- if it still works the way it did when I was at ByWater -- has separate kohaclones for every single instance.
15:32 talljoy possibly, but i'm successful on other instances on the same version
15:32 jcamins If I had to speculate, I'd say it probably has something to do with the fact that you're using a version known to be very buggy.
15:32 talljoy i've run out of ideas of where to look.
15:31 talljoy i've tested frameworks, checked sys prefs, verified z39 settings.....
15:31 jcamins I can't test on 3.8.3 right now, but I'd test on that.
15:31 talljoy it works on other instances like i mentioned. i'm trying to figure out what setting/etc is making it not work on this install
15:30 jcamins Works fine on master.
15:28 talljoy i import the error, then make an edit (fill in the 942 and 003 fields) then save. *boom* error
15:28 jcamins At what point do you get this error?
15:28 talljoy 3.8.1
15:27 jcamins What version?
15:27 talljoy (although some will error on 650 indicators if there is no 100)
15:27 talljoy no, i've tested a couple other z39 targets and they error the same way
15:26 jcamins Just from LC?
15:26 talljoy yup all of them
15:26 jcamins On all Z39.50 imports?
15:26 talljoy and the z39 import settings are correct
15:26 talljoy it errors out on all z39 imports.
15:25 talljoy downloaded from loc website
15:25 jcamins How do you get the file to stage?
15:24 talljoy i can import this record just fine through stage marc import and i can z39 it into other koha instances.
15:24 talljoy and the indicators are correct for tag 100.
15:24 jcamins talljoy: invalid record.
15:24 talljoy morning koha-ians (kohans?) I'm getting an error on an z3950 cataloging import. "Field 100 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /home/load16/kohaclone/C4/Charset.pm line 142"
15:14 wizzyrea hehe later
15:13 kf but now I am really leaving :)
15:13 wizzyrea but git bz doesn't have a specific author really
15:13 wizzyrea ruth for migration tools
15:13 kf perhaps the maints and rm could push? and patches sent to the mailig list with a [something]?
15:13 wizzyrea so jared pushes for tools
15:13 wizzyrea I think the author has push permissions
15:12 wizzyrea yea me either
15:12 kf not sure how the others work
15:12 wizzyrea you think just give push perms on git-bz to anyone who wants them?
15:12 kf and the migration tools from ruth
15:12 kf and release-tools
15:12 wizzyrea right!
15:12 kf contribs
15:12 kf hm I think we have some
15:11 wizzyrea and a manager for it
15:11 wizzyrea we need to have a tools repo
15:11 oleonard See you later kf
15:11 wizzyrea you know I think we should
15:11 kf time to leave - bye all :)
15:11 jcamins wizzyrea: I wanted paul_p's patch, and rangi's patch, then I added a bunch of other things 'cause I'm lazy, and next thing I knew, I had a lot of changs.
15:09 kf to pull all our variations together again :)
15:09 kf wizzyrea: maybe we should put a repo on kc.org?
15:06 wizzyrea lol *another* fork ;)
15:05 wizzyrea wait wait is there a new git bz/
14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8207 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Modify authority type frameworks to allow see also fields to link to thesauri
14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless
14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
14:56 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8207 follow-up DBrev
14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation
14:56 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8207: Allow see also fields in auths to link to thesauri
14:56 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8204 follow-up: quiet warn
14:56 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about file
14:56 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8233: We can't load test on Koha::SearchEngine::*
14:56 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8486 - Follow up making the tests db independent
14:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #795: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/795/
14:52 drojf hey kf
14:52 kf hi droi and oleonard
14:52 drojf hi #koha
14:52 drojf :D
14:52 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
14:52 drojf hey oleonard
14:50 oleonard Hi drojf
14:48 mtompset Bye. #koha.
14:47 * mtompset waves.
14:45 chris_n jcamins: cool
14:41 jcamins chris_n: if you want an 'a' option for applying patches, you can pull it from my repo.
14:25 mtompset Have a good night everyone.
14:25 * mtompset decides that going to bed now would be good.
14:23 jcamins Okay, updated git-bz in my repo.
14:21 jcamins Cool. :)
14:20 jcamins Okay, apply all worked.
14:20 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
14:20 mtompset jcamins?
14:20 * jcamins tries implementing an apply all.
14:20 mtompset Okay... 450+ seconds of nyan cat is enough.
14:16 chris_n mtompset: presumably it would be smart enough to bail on a failure to apply :)
14:11 * mtompset laughs.
14:10 wahanui cat is probably http://www.nyan.cat/
14:10 mtompset cat?
14:10 wahanui mtompset: huh?
14:10 mtompset Nothing humorously wrong, wahanui?
14:10 mtompset squirrel?
14:09 libsysguy heh yeah….maybe my cat sat on my keyboard
14:09 libsysguy so HI!
14:09 libsysguy I saw it this morning when I came back
14:09 mtompset I figured it was a butt-dial type problem. ;)
14:08 mtompset Not a problem
14:08 libsysguy mtompset I wasn't being rude earlier when you said hi, my computer signed me in, in the middle of the night
14:07 libsysguy or maybe it was working in the sandbox :p
14:07 libsysguy heh
14:07 jcamins mtompset: it did at the time, apparently.
14:07 mtompset WORKSFORME?!
14:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching
14:06 mtompset bug 1234
14:05 * magnuse wanders off to cook some arctic char
14:02 magnuse ooh, good point :-)
14:02 kf jcamins++
14:02 kf :)
14:00 jcamins magnuse: everyone who wants the result to be open source.
13:59 jcamins Don't see how that's any more dangerous than yes | git-bz apply 1234
13:59 magnuse jcamins: are you taking donations from all comers?
13:56 mtompset That would be dangerous... it would have to check if the patch should even be applied (Patch Do Not Use status?)
13:56 jcamins magnuse: the hard part, of course, is getting 1(b) fully funded. There is no point (IMO) to starting work until that's fully funded. Starting after that, every additional component would just make things better.
13:55 chris_n git bz needs an "apply all" option
13:54 jcamins magnuse: thanks.
13:53 magnuse ooh, cool page, jcamins!
13:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #795 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 27 days ago)
13:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8207 follow-up DBrev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e30b5a334bd6a478faa141b665ce531ad7fbe1d6> / Bug 8207: Allow see also fields in auths to link to thesauri <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe47a27c7980fae891616385a1f6d00f37cf95ef> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8204' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=030a108
13:51 jcamins http://www.cpbibliography.com/services/koha/searchrewrite.html <-- still a little ways to go
13:51 jcamins magnuse: not quite.
13:50 magnuse a re-written search.pm already? ;-)
13:49 * jcamins has some fun ones waiting for sign off.
13:47 magnuse jcamins++ for outstanding patches!
13:47 jcamins oleonard: oh, yeah, I noticed that bug seemed a bit sensationalist.
13:46 jcamins (and yes, they are all outstanding:P)
13:45 jcamins I have rebased all my outstanding patches.
13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8546 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Error in description of OPAC Advanced Search Publication date range search
13:45 * oleonard just amended the title of Bug 8546
13:45 jcamins oleonard: huh?
13:45 oleonard Seriously, do we need an all-caps FAIL in a bug about a form field hint?
13:44 eythian But, there's not many data points in that, so I'm mostly guessing
13:44 eythian e.g. the client who saw it could see it on their production (self hosted) server, but not the test server we hosted, and kf could see it locally but not on a catalyst server.
13:42 oleonard Well my local install ain't that fast
13:42 eythian Probably the faster your server, the more likely to see it you are.
13:42 wizzyrea erm lol no
13:41 eythian oleonard: kf could make it work sometimes and not others on the same installation. That's why I think it's a race condition.
13:41 mtompset wizzyrea: Did you mean this? http://keurigkcupcoffee.com/reviews-Genie_Intellicode_Gitr_3_Remote_Replaces_Git_1_Git_2_amp_Git_3-B003GRL7NS.html
13:38 eythian will email now, also to include Frydolyn
13:38 eythian paul_p: getting the train back tomorrow
13:38 eythian paul_p: oh, meant to email you'
13:38 paul_p eythian = you've been jailed in NL ? ;-)
13:38 oleonard I like how you can write good software that works on older computers.
13:38 chris_n IE = Idiot's Elysium
13:37 * chris_n runs away screaming at the mention of IE
13:37 mtompset Windows XP.
13:37 * wizzyrea wonders why anyone would still be using IE8 >.<
13:37 * oleonard unchains IE9 from the dungeon
13:36 eythian oleonard: I think kf was using IE8
13:36 eythian oleonard: I don't really know, IE8 and IE9 is what I think it was seen on.
13:36 wizzyrea I think probably if it's not intuitive, it's the bugzilla part, and not the git part.
13:35 chris_n seems obvious to me :-)
13:35 * chris_n too
13:35 * wizzyrea is surprised
13:35 wizzyrea ! not intuitive?!
13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8547 major, P2, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Enabling star ratings causes javascript errors that cause IE to have a boo boo
13:35 oleonard eythian: Is Bug 8547 about IE8 in particular?
13:35 wahanui i guess git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL
13:35 chris_n git bz?
13:35 wahanui okay, chris_n.
13:35 chris_n wahanui: git bz is also AMAZING and WONDERFUL
13:35 wahanui git bz is probably so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive
13:35 chris_n git bz?
13:34 wizzyrea hehe :)
13:34 magnuse hehe
13:34 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA
13:34 magnuse wizzyrea!
13:34 wizzyrea you need git buzz k-cups
13:34 wizzyrea k-cups
13:34 wizzyrea ^^ thinkgeek would sell it
13:33 * oleonard must have beverages on the brain... Now considering an open source coffee brand git-buzz
13:33 wizzyrea well yes
13:33 tcohen happiness converted into a script
13:33 paul_p wizzyrea git itself is amazing & wonderful !
13:33 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
13:33 wizzyrea magnuse!
13:33 tcohen a script made happiness
13:33 wizzyrea and ohhhhhhhhh
13:33 wizzyrea combined with git aliases
13:33 * magnuse agrees
13:33 wizzyrea srsly
13:33 wizzyrea git bz is AMAZING and WONDERFUL
13:32 jcamins ^^ that is git-bz.
13:32 wahanui git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration
13:32 jcamins git-bz?
13:32 mtompset okay, now I have to ask... what is git bz?
13:32 * tcohen is doing git bz apply
13:31 mtompset It should work with 3.6.X, 3.8.X, and master.
13:31 tcohen yes :-D
13:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
13:30 mtompset Oh, tcohen... did you notice my patch on bug 8485
13:30 magnuse eythian: that would be awesome!
13:30 tcohen yeap, i meant *space* mostly
13:30 eythian magnuse: perhaps I should have a look at it this evening. I'll see.
13:29 eythian tcohen: the "infrastructure" is just a webserver that we already have anyway :)
13:29 magnuse did i hear eythian volunteering to rebase the code? ;-)
13:29 tcohen eythian, count on me for testing
13:29 mtompset less is more!
13:29 eythian magnuse: shouldn't need too much rebasing really
13:29 jcamins tcohen: fewer things to worry about are good. :)
13:28 magnuse the code probably needs some rebasing now
13:28 mtompset I don't see how that is the case.
13:28 magnuse eythian was this close to having language packages: ||
13:28 tcohen (one less think to worry about)
13:28 tcohen but I belive the ppa could help us maintaining the infrastructure
13:27 tcohen I think there's nothing wrong with the debian repo for ubuntu
13:26 jcamins mtompset: I am in support of having one and only one official repo.
13:26 jcamins mtompset: it is a single package repo.
13:26 mtompset But jcamins, isn't debian.koha-community.org already a PPA of sorts?
13:26 tcohen I agree they could be scripted in the post-install part of the debs
13:25 tcohen i support the idea of having the language packages
13:25 tcohen no
13:23 mtompset Aww... there you go, you just killed his dream. ;)
13:23 tcohen robin, you're right
13:22 eythian tcohen: the language stuff is implemented, just needs testing.
13:22 mtompset Or even post-install script trigger.
13:21 mtompset Because how would the package, without any kind of logic, know where the koha files are?
13:21 tcohen remove all that error-prone stuff out there
13:21 mtompset for packages?
13:20 mtompset Is there a pre-install script trigger?
13:20 tcohen exactly
13:20 tcohen after an upgrade
13:20 tcohen avoid the usage of perl translate install es-ES
13:20 jcamins mtompset: easily installing translations. It would be glorious!
13:19 mtompset Well, since you are dreaming, and I don't want to be a dream killer... What would the purpose of these packages be?
13:18 tcohen no we don't
13:18 mtompset Do we have such things for debian?
13:17 tcohen if there wasn't a limit, we could use it to have out koha-l10n-<LANG> packages too
13:17 jcamins mtompset: this is the other reason I'm not pro-PPA in this case.
13:16 mtompset Would this be for a koha-common install? or would this be to patch missing perl dependencies?
13:16 tcohen anyone knows theres a limit on the size of what you have there?
13:15 tcohen hence the question
13:15 tcohen and told me it could be updated
13:15 tcohen i know, a talked with rangi about that a few weeks ago
13:15 tcohen hehe
13:14 mtompset It's already out of sync, tcohen
13:14 mtompset https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/koha-stable
13:14 * jcamins suspects that there are very few people who could troubleshoot problems.
13:14 * jcamins is not interested in learning about PPAs.
13:14 jcamins mtompset: except then we have a support issue.
13:13 mtompset That would be much nicer than pointing at the debian ones.
13:13 mtompset Ah...
13:09 jcamins mtompset: it's for Ubuntu packages.
13:08 eythian oleonard: an interesting idea...
13:07 oleonard Not to be confused with Koha Stable IPA
13:07 mtompset koha-stable ppa?
12:49 eythian heh
12:49 tcohen i thought it was pm!
12:49 tcohen analog wellington clock in my desktop
12:48 tcohen oops
12:48 eythian tcohen: rangi will be asleep most likely
12:48 kf weird
12:48 kf hm
12:48 tcohen rangi: is the koha-stable ppa gonna be in sync with debian.k-c.org?
12:48 eythian hmm
12:47 kf which is bad
12:47 kf looks perfect
12:47 kf yeah, trying
12:47 kf I can reproduce the proble now in our 3.8.3 - but I don't manage to break your installation
12:47 eythian kf: can you try that link I sent again?
12:46 eythian (at least, that's my theory)
12:46 kf ah
12:46 eythian IE hates that
12:46 eythian it's that the list prior to it ends with ','
12:46 eythian no, it's not that
12:46 eythian oh right
12:46 kf it's ok, ignore it :)
12:45 kf ah, the think it was complaining abut
12:45 eythian ?
12:45 kf eythian: what's in data?
12:41 eythian my link will be a bit weird right now, a reload is half way in progress
12:41 eythian kf: hmm
12:41 kf eythian: sorry :(
12:40 jcamins eythian: hehe.
12:40 kf no... it shows correctly... *curses*
12:39 kf let me check if it's the same for your link
12:39 kf no cookie?
12:39 kf not logged in, no search
12:39 kf maybe - closed the browser, went directly to the detail page
12:38 eythian oh?
12:38 eythian erk
12:38 kf I can
12:38 kf oh
12:38 kf I can't reproduce it on my own installation now even :(
12:38 kf I think it's maybe session/cookie related
12:35 eythian however they reported that they didn't see it on the testing site and did see it on the live one, so I'm assuming an option was changed somewhere.
12:35 eythian kf: who knows...
12:35 kf eythian: could it be something with the cookie?
12:34 eythian http://www.catdvd.com/ <-- jcamins
12:34 kf yeah... right, I can understand. maybe we can compromise :)
12:34 jcamins And now he's in the other room squawking at Shari.
12:33 jcamins He's somewhat less excited about that, but, sure.
12:33 kf ah no... that's twitter... maybe mice.
12:33 magnuse hehe
12:33 huginn magnuse: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 44 times for a total karma of -44.
12:33 magnuse @karma ie
12:33 jcamins kf: he says that would be acceptable.
12:32 kf I am looking at ie 8
12:32 kf jcamins: ask him if maybe little birds would be ok too?
12:32 oleonard Which IE are we bashing today?
12:32 kf the language chooser is in the wrong place too
12:32 jcamins He suggests that the UI would be better if it involved more fish.
12:31 kf ie--
12:31 kf eythian: right. ie##
12:31 jcamins Myshkin would like to participate in the UI testing.
12:31 eythian that's because IE.
12:30 kf if I reload the page... it takes a moment to render correctly
12:30 eythian I shall try moving a database from a known broken site to this one to see if there's something else influencing it.
12:30 kf hm
12:30 mtompset sadly, ui testing takes a whole department to get right.
12:29 eythian rats
12:29 kf meh - it's still ok :(
12:29 kf testing
12:28 mtompset Yuck... switching between firefox and ie shows the ie's ugliness.
12:28 eythian mtompset: if it's broken, it looks very obviously broken
12:27 eythian kf: account sent
12:27 eythian quite possible
12:26 kf eythian: I think it might be why I saw it and the others didn't
12:26 eythian kf: one moment
12:25 kf eythian: it's not broken - can you give me a login?
12:25 mtompset What am I supposed to see wrong/right?
12:25 mtompset Didn't notice it, until after the return period. Oh well.
12:25 kf can I get cookies? it's painful working with ie
12:24 jcamins mtompset: I accidentally bought a monitor like that. I returned it.
12:24 eythian http://opus.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=18 <-- kf, can you confirm that it is broken here?
12:23 mtompset I dislike this "I'm a monitor that is smarter than you" monitor.
12:21 kf that will work
12:21 eythian kf: I'll deploy it somewhere for you to test
12:21 mtompset "to have a boo boo" nice.
12:21 kf the only place I could apply your patch has no IE and is not accessible from anywhere with IE
12:20 kf but I can't test sorry :(
12:20 * mtompset hands kf some chocolate chip cookies.
12:20 kf lol
12:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8547 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Enabling star ratings causes javascript errors that cause IE to have a boo boo
12:20 eythian kf: bug 8547
12:20 kf eythian: deactivating star ratings fixes the problem too - so I think we are on the right track
12:19 kf cookie weirdness...
12:19 kf ok
12:19 kf ah, now it's wok
12:19 kf it's stillkicking me out
12:19 kf nope
12:18 * kf closes the browser and goes directly to the staff interface
12:18 kf that's good
12:18 eythian Will make a patch for testing.
12:18 eythian but I think I can see the problem.
12:18 eythian for reference, where IE says 'line 170', it's lying.
12:17 kf I think it might be, that I am logged into opac at the same time and both are running on the same port? (eythian?)
12:17 jwagner Hi Amit_Gupta
12:17 Amit_Gupta heya jwagner
12:17 jwagner kf, you shouldn't have to -- do you have cookies disabled or something?
12:17 kf that's no fun :(
12:17 kf and i can't save system preference changes
12:17 eythian ?
12:16 kf I have to log in for every single page in ie???
12:16 kf oh fun
12:15 kf hm star rating... my typing is broken too
12:15 kf lookslike start rating is to blame
12:15 eythian I'll have a look and see if there's something that'd confuse IE in there
12:14 eythian awesomecross
12:14 jcamins eythian: this is IE we're takling about here.
12:14 jcamins eythian: yes. :P
12:14 kf opac-detail
12:14 eythian kf: line 170 of what file?
12:14 kf eythian: does that help?
12:14 mtompset sorry... I looked away... working on my backup project.
12:13 kf Identifier, string or number expected?
12:13 kf Bezeichner, Zeichenfolge oder Zahl erwartet
12:13 kf }, function (data) {
12:13 kf it says
12:13 kf line 170
12:12 kf it looks like I got some tools here, triying to find the error
12:12 kf I work on windows... I have deleted all obvious links, but it's still ther
12:12 eythian On Win 3.11 no less
12:12 * eythian hasn't used IE in anger since IE5.5
12:11 eythian I thought it was built in...
12:11 eythian kf: if I write the patch, then you get to test it and it goes through faster :)
12:11 kf I can try to find it, but I doubt it's there without the plugin
12:11 eythian that'll tell you about errors at least
12:11 eythian kf: isn't there a javascript console?
12:11 kf maybe oleonard would know :(
12:11 kf and the developer extensions got lost with my new computer
12:10 kf no firebug :(
12:10 kf it's evil
12:10 kf how am I supposed to know? you can't debug ie
12:10 kf if I do the work you will patch it? :P
12:10 eythian seriously, what is wrong with my typing today
12:10 kf lol
12:10 eythian if you trell me what it is, I'll make a patch
12:10 kf and no javascript customizations
12:10 eythian yay! ;)
12:10 kf I have it too
12:10 kf oh yes
12:09 eythian but only breakingit in IE> goody.
12:09 jcamins Nope. Definitely javascript.
12:09 jcamins Yup. What kf said.
12:09 eythian I was thinking of styling
12:09 eythian I didn't think of that
12:09 eythian ohh javascfript
12:09 kf it looks like something broke your javascript
12:09 jcamins Yes.
12:08 * kf mutters about having closed her ie a second ago
12:08 eythian note: * the stars aren't right, * the tabs aren't right, * the text is chopped off (most likely due to the tabs)
12:08 eythian http://i.imgur.com/Jhc3z.jpg <-- similarly, anyone seen this sort of thing in IE?
12:07 magnuse moahaha
12:04 kf sneaky :)
12:04 * magnuse did a little jquery trick to get the version number from the meta tag and onto the front page on head.bibkat.no :-)
12:04 kf lol
12:04 jcamins Hehe.
12:03 magnuse "magnuse's demon is updated every night to master" sounded rather cool, akshully ;-)
12:03 jcamins Ohhh. I'm looking at head.bibkat.no.
12:03 jcamins Right on the front page.
12:02 magnuse demo.bibkat.no is 3.8.3 - head.bibkat.no is nightly master
12:01 eythian where?
12:01 jcamins It says Koha 3.0900027.
12:00 eythian no matter
12:00 eythian I dunno
12:00 eythian <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0803000" /> <!-- leave this for stats -->
12:00 eythian that's possible
11:59 kf and no database updates since 3.8.3
11:59 kf hm I think he is running 3.8.x master maybe?
11:59 jcamins In that case, I don't know.
11:58 eythian the version number doesn't reflect that
11:58 jcamins *demo
11:58 jcamins magnuse's demon is updated every night to master.
11:58 eythian 3.08.03.000
11:58 kf he is running master
11:58 eythian wonder why it works in magnuse's demo then
11:57 kf you are welcome :)
11:57 eythian thank you very much :D
11:57 eythian ah hah!
11:57 kf pushed to be in 3.8.4
11:57 kf :)
11:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8414 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Intranet header toplinks display white rather than blue in < IE8
11:57 kf bug 8414
11:57 kf hah
11:56 kf eythian: hmm. maybe. let me try and find it
11:56 eythian any clue on what the title of the bug would be?
11:56 eythian kf: fixed post 3.8.3?
11:54 kf ?
11:54 kf eythian: I have white script on light blue - but I think there was a patch for that already - check bugz
11:54 kf sorry, was afk
11:54 eythian :)
11:53 mtompset If you ever need an IE/Firefox check under Windoze and I'm around, just ask. :)
11:53 eythian mtompset: yeah.
11:52 mtompset (if the brower is to blame)
11:52 mtompset IE8 is probably the problem.
11:51 eythian ah, IE8 and IE9 apparently
11:51 mtompset Windows XP won't go higher than 8, which means gradient coding has to be ugly for those cases.
11:50 magnuse eythian: ah, of course...
11:50 eythian hmm
11:50 mtompset <=IE8 breaks things.
11:49 eythian I have no idea, probably 7
11:49 eythian magnuse: I'm not using IE or I'd check myself :)
11:49 mtompset What version are they using?
11:49 magnuse eythian and mtompset: are you using the same version of ie?
11:49 mtompset I'm using IE9.
11:49 eythian heh
11:49 lamiette eythian: was hoping no one saw that .. *sigh* one of those days
11:49 eythian OK, well that's something.
11:49 eythian It is
11:49 eythian lamiette: :e wrongwindow.txt
11:49 mtompset Because I see it just fine in the url that magnuse gave.
11:48 mtompset That's weird.
11:48 lamiette :w
11:48 eythian http://i.imgur.com/kDHoe.jpg <-- this is what they're seeing
11:47 mtompset but it is still legible.
11:47 mtompset No... the entire page's typeset.
11:46 mtompset but ie's header typeset is blurrier.
11:46 mtompset grading.
11:46 mtompset coloring.
11:46 mtompset it's the same in both.
11:46 jcamins Good morning.
11:46 eythian in IE or both?
11:46 mtompset it seems more blurred in ie.
11:45 mtompset And set library is legible.
11:45 mtompset I have to tilt it to tell it is even blue.
11:45 mtompset my monitor sucks for telling it is a gradient.
11:45 eythian mtompset: no, in firefox it's a blue gradient
11:44 mtompset firefox and ie.
11:44 mtompset search area between is white.
11:44 eythian It was just the most obvious example of a style error, but if IE can't do that...
11:44 mtompset in the background.
11:44 mtompset the header and breadcrumbs are identical... shades of blue.
11:44 eythian It's not really the gradients that's the issue, it's the unreadable links at the top
11:44 kf no gradients in staff search top
11:44 eythian kf: what is the same for you?
11:44 kf but I guess the gradients just won't work
11:43 kf eythian: Ithink there was a patch for the script color
11:43 kf eythian: same for me
11:43 eythian also where it says "set library", is that in readable blue or hard to read white?
11:43 mtompset I'm at the link magnuse gave.
11:43 eythian no, behind the search area
11:43 kf mtompset: in opac?
11:43 mtompset above the search area, sure.
11:43 kf I think that was it
11:43 kf the rounded corners don'tw ork
11:43 kf hm
11:42 eythian mtompset: the top of the staff client is all gradient
11:42 wahanui which version is, like, recommended
11:42 kf mtompset: which version?
11:42 mtompset what gradients?
11:42 mtompset They look the same in firefox and ie to me.
11:42 kf eythian: I think the gradients don't work with ie
11:40 mtompset okay... what am I suppose to see?
11:39 mtompset Okay... going there.
11:38 magnuse sorry, username/password test1/test1
11:37 magnuse if anyone has easy access to IE they can test with http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/ demo + demo
11:35 mtompset Sorry, don't have a 3.8.3 up and running.
11:32 wahanui hola, eythian
11:32 eythian hi
11:31 * magnuse waves
11:31 eythian This is 3.8.3
11:31 eythian anybody using the staff client under IE? One of our clients is seeing styling errors (e.g. the gradient behind the search is missing) and I'm trying to work out if it's IE or something else.
11:29 mtompset Greetings, libsysguy
11:11 eythian hello
11:10 kf hi eythian
11:10 mtompset Greetings, eythian NateC
09:56 mtompset I was wondering if you know about whether or not the script mentioned in the bugs description above is obsolete.
09:56 mtompset Different thought.
09:55 kf not sure I can follow :)
09:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8200 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , /home/chris/git/koha.git in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/update.pl
09:55 mtompset bug 8200
09:50 mtompset which is the 3.8.X and master versions of 8489 (which did make it into 3.6.7)
09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Update Ubuntu related files
09:49 mtompset but that is a precursor to a larger bug 8478
09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Update libraries and Missing library in install_misc/ubuntu.packages
09:48 mtompset Before I had a development system I posted bug 8192.
09:36 kf hm?
09:33 mtompset I don't like that I duplicated my bug, but I do like being able to call it RESOLVED. :)
09:28 mtompset Since I was just having a super-late merienda (afternoon break/snack). :)
09:26 kf thx!
09:26 kf :)
09:25 * mtompset hands kf a Filipino ube pastry, "It's delicious."
09:25 kf greetings mtompset
09:25 kf np :)
09:13 mtompset Greetings, kf. I didn't see you there initially. :)
09:13 mtompset That seems like something rangi might say, since he and jcamins like to push tests. :)
09:12 wahanui kf: I forgot no
09:12 kf forget no
09:12 wahanui it has been said that no is failing unit tests
09:12 kf no?
09:11 * mtompset laughs, "WLAN doesn't have cables, silly."
09:11 mbalmer Jorgia needs to buy better quality WLAN cables ;P
09:11 wahanui mtompset: huh?
09:11 mtompset wahanui learns the strangest things sometimes.
09:10 * mtompset grins.
09:10 wahanui kf: I forgot wireless
09:10 kf forget wireless
09:10 wahanui well, wireless is very screwed up.
09:10 mbalmer wireless.
09:10 kf mbalmer: it's getting late in nz.
09:10 mtompset Wireless or Wide-area?
09:09 mbalmer Jorgia was two steps away from working WLAN ;)
09:09 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer drojf and bartsimpson
09:09 mbalmer ok ;)
09:08 bartsimpson alright thanks for your help :) ill get it sorted out tomorrow with rangi in person, adios
09:08 mbalmer greetings!
09:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
09:08 mbalmer what kind of adapter you have you would see in the output of "dmesg"
09:07 mbalmer it could be missing some firmware, which you would have to install
09:06 mbalmer ok, so linux did not detect your WLAN card.
09:05 bartsimpson i got eth0 and lo?
09:02 bartsimpson ok thanks ill try that
09:00 mbalmer and maybe enter, as root, "ifconfig" to check if detected any network adapters at all. you should see a "wlan0" and probably a "eth0" interface
08:59 mbalmer in a root shell, you could enter "/etc/init.d/networking stop", then "/etc/init.d/networking start". maybe that helps
08:54 bartsimpson its not coming up with a list, it hasn't got connectivity at all, but it does on the windows side
08:53 kf bartsimpson: have you selected your network from the list and entered your password?
08:53 bartsimpson I'm unsure, how could i check?
08:49 mbalmer is the wpa_supplicant running?
08:49 bartsimpson WLAN, also i have my friends laptop right here, running the same version of ubuntu with the same sort of dual-boot. And their one works
08:47 mbalmer bartsimpson, is that a LAN connection or WLAN?
08:46 bartsimpson Im running the latest ubuntu and the internet won't connect, it comes up with the disconnected icon, i've tried the hard switch and etc but it still doesn't work. Also it works on the Windows side of my partition.
08:45 kf hi jorgia - I haven't seen rangi this morning/evening. what are you trying to do? maybe someone else has an idea?
08:43 bartsimpson rangi: Hey it's Jorgia, I'm trying to get my computer connected to the internet on the ubuntu side, what was the suggestion you had on thursday?
08:31 Kache will you please help reference manual of installation koha on window and linux?
08:04 druthb :P
08:04 kf go to sleep!
08:03 wahanui it has been said that kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
08:03 druthb kf...?
08:03 wahanui druthb is, like, a migration specialist and great friend or crazy as a loon
08:03 kf druthb... ?
07:18 kf good morning #koha
07:13 gaetan_B hello :)
07:07 drojf bonjour asaurat
07:06 asaurat hi
06:47 cait bbl
06:32 * druthb probably oughta go to bed.
06:24 druthb Got a skype client' but gotta figure out what my password is... :-P
06:23 druthb Yah.
06:22 magnuse android?
06:22 druthb Hm hm hm...
06:20 * druthb wonders if you can do skype or Google Hangout on this thing.
06:20 magnuse hiya cait
06:20 magnuse ooh, difficult situation...
06:19 cait and good morning all :)
06:19 cait magnuse: don't help her
06:19 * druthb hides behind magnuse
06:18 * druthb hides from cait
06:18 cait druthb: ts. :)
06:18 druthb It's an Acer Iconia Tab. Got it on sale. :-)
06:17 magnuse which tablet would that be?
06:17 magnuse hehe
06:15 * druthb can't sleep, so is up putzing with her new tablet
06:13 magnuse \o
06:13 druthb o/
06:12 magnuse shame on me for no signoffs in july...
06:12 * magnuse waves
05:38 francharb hello #koha
02:52 mib_17az3w sorry i bounced off.
02:49 mib_s2zx49 Hi everyone! I am running koha 3.08.03 on centos 6.2. Somehow my perl ZOOM module fails to connect to any zebra server, local or public.. and so my search does not work. I can connect to my local zebra through yaz-client. Would you know what is happening?
00:59 chris_n now back to the grind
00:59 chris_n ok, so I lied and did take a little peak at the code
00:42 * chris_n is having too much non-fun joining a bunch of xp clients to a new samba domain
00:41 chris_n and I don't have time to debug atm
00:41 chris_n yup
00:41 rangi must admit the massive potential for breakage with a minimal possible gain has meant i havent spent any time on it
00:40 rangi in theory
00:40 rangi it should check on mainpage and after login eh?
00:24 jcamins No.
00:24 chris_n not good news
00:23 chris_n well, it appears that out of the gate it breaks the old updater
00:23 jcamins chris_n: no.
00:23 chris_n jcamins: have you tested this yet?
00:23 chris_n hmmm
00:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
00:14 * chris_n begins testing bug 7167
00:12 jcamins Aww.
00:12 chris_n sorry... you're late... you don't get the brownie this time :-)
00:11 jcamins chris_n: alt-refresh.
00:10 * chris_n wishes all problems were that simply solved
00:10 chris_n nm; a refresh fixed it up
00:10 chris_n what's up with the header on mainpage.pl in master?
00:09 chris_n eeeouch
00:08 * chris_n notes that Text::Unaccent seems to be missing from the dep list of master