Time Nick Message 00:08 * chris_n notes that Text::Unaccent seems to be missing from the dep list of master 00:09 chris_n eeeouch 00:10 chris_n what's up with the header on mainpage.pl in master? 00:10 chris_n nm; a refresh fixed it up 00:10 * chris_n wishes all problems were that simply solved 00:11 jcamins chris_n: alt-refresh. 00:12 chris_n sorry... you're late... you don't get the brownie this time :-) 00:12 jcamins Aww. 00:14 * chris_n begins testing bug 7167 00:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements 00:23 chris_n hmmm 00:23 chris_n jcamins: have you tested this yet? 00:23 jcamins chris_n: no. 00:23 chris_n well, it appears that out of the gate it breaks the old updater 00:24 chris_n not good news 00:24 jcamins No. 00:40 rangi it should check on mainpage and after login eh? 00:40 rangi in theory 00:41 rangi must admit the massive potential for breakage with a minimal possible gain has meant i havent spent any time on it 00:41 chris_n yup 00:41 chris_n and I don't have time to debug atm 00:42 * chris_n is having too much non-fun joining a bunch of xp clients to a new samba domain 00:59 chris_n ok, so I lied and did take a little peak at the code 00:59 chris_n now back to the grind 02:49 mib_s2zx49 Hi everyone! I am running koha 3.08.03 on centos 6.2. Somehow my perl ZOOM module fails to connect to any zebra server, local or public.. and so my search does not work. I can connect to my local zebra through yaz-client. Would you know what is happening? 02:52 mib_17az3w sorry i bounced off. 05:38 francharb hello #koha 06:12 * magnuse waves 06:12 magnuse shame on me for no signoffs in july... 06:13 druthb o/ 06:13 magnuse \o 06:15 * druthb can't sleep, so is up putzing with her new tablet 06:17 magnuse hehe 06:17 magnuse which tablet would that be? 06:18 druthb It's an Acer Iconia Tab. Got it on sale. :-) 06:18 cait druthb: ts. :) 06:18 * druthb hides from cait 06:19 * druthb hides behind magnuse 06:19 cait magnuse: don't help her 06:19 cait and good morning all :) 06:20 magnuse ooh, difficult situation... 06:20 magnuse hiya cait 06:20 * druthb wonders if you can do skype or Google Hangout on this thing. 06:22 druthb Hm hm hm... 06:22 magnuse android? 06:23 druthb Yah. 06:24 druthb Got a skype client' but gotta figure out what my password is... :-P 06:32 * druthb probably oughta go to bed. 06:47 cait bbl 07:06 asaurat hi 07:07 drojf bonjour asaurat 07:13 gaetan_B hello :) 07:18 kf good morning #koha 08:03 kf druthb... ? 08:03 wahanui druthb is, like, a migration specialist and great friend or crazy as a loon 08:03 druthb kf...? 08:03 wahanui it has been said that kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. 08:04 kf go to sleep! 08:04 druthb :P 08:31 Kache will you please help reference manual of installation koha on window and linux? 08:43 bartsimpson rangi: Hey it's Jorgia, I'm trying to get my computer connected to the internet on the ubuntu side, what was the suggestion you had on thursday? 08:45 kf hi jorgia - I haven't seen rangi this morning/evening. what are you trying to do? maybe someone else has an idea? 08:46 bartsimpson Im running the latest ubuntu and the internet won't connect, it comes up with the disconnected icon, i've tried the hard switch and etc but it still doesn't work. Also it works on the Windows side of my partition. 08:47 mbalmer bartsimpson, is that a LAN connection or WLAN? 08:49 bartsimpson WLAN, also i have my friends laptop right here, running the same version of ubuntu with the same sort of dual-boot. And their one works 08:49 mbalmer is the wpa_supplicant running? 08:53 bartsimpson I'm unsure, how could i check? 08:53 kf bartsimpson: have you selected your network from the list and entered your password? 08:54 bartsimpson its not coming up with a list, it hasn't got connectivity at all, but it does on the windows side 08:59 mbalmer in a root shell, you could enter "/etc/init.d/networking stop", then "/etc/init.d/networking start". maybe that helps 09:00 mbalmer and maybe enter, as root, "ifconfig" to check if detected any network adapters at all. you should see a "wlan0" and probably a "eth0" interface 09:02 bartsimpson ok thanks ill try that 09:05 bartsimpson i got eth0 and lo? 09:06 mbalmer ok, so linux did not detect your WLAN card. 09:07 mbalmer it could be missing some firmware, which you would have to install 09:08 mbalmer what kind of adapter you have you would see in the output of "dmesg" 09:08 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 09:08 mbalmer greetings! 09:08 bartsimpson alright thanks for your help :) ill get it sorted out tomorrow with rangi in person, adios 09:09 mbalmer ok ;) 09:09 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer drojf and bartsimpson 09:09 mbalmer Jorgia was two steps away from working WLAN ;) 09:10 mtompset Wireless or Wide-area? 09:10 kf mbalmer: it's getting late in nz. 09:10 mbalmer wireless. 09:10 wahanui well, wireless is very screwed up. 09:10 kf forget wireless 09:10 wahanui kf: I forgot wireless 09:10 * mtompset grins. 09:11 mtompset wahanui learns the strangest things sometimes. 09:11 wahanui mtompset: huh? 09:11 mbalmer Jorgia needs to buy better quality WLAN cables ;P 09:11 * mtompset laughs, "WLAN doesn't have cables, silly." 09:12 kf no? 09:12 wahanui it has been said that no is failing unit tests 09:12 kf forget no 09:12 wahanui kf: I forgot no 09:13 mtompset That seems like something rangi might say, since he and jcamins like to push tests. :) 09:13 mtompset Greetings, kf. I didn't see you there initially. :) 09:25 kf np :) 09:25 kf greetings mtompset 09:25 * mtompset hands kf a Filipino ube pastry, "It's delicious." 09:26 kf :) 09:26 kf thx! 09:28 mtompset Since I was just having a super-late merienda (afternoon break/snack). :) 09:33 mtompset I don't like that I duplicated my bug, but I do like being able to call it RESOLVED. :) 09:36 kf hm? 09:48 mtompset Before I had a development system I posted bug 8192. 09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Update libraries and Missing library in install_misc/ubuntu.packages 09:49 mtompset but that is a precursor to a larger bug 8478 09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Update Ubuntu related files 09:50 mtompset which is the 3.8.X and master versions of 8489 (which did make it into 3.6.7) 09:55 mtompset bug 8200 09:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8200 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , /home/chris/git/koha.git in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/update.pl 09:55 kf not sure I can follow :) 09:56 mtompset Different thought. 09:56 mtompset I was wondering if you know about whether or not the script mentioned in the bugs description above is obsolete. 11:10 mtompset Greetings, eythian NateC 11:10 kf hi eythian 11:11 eythian hello 11:29 mtompset Greetings, libsysguy 11:31 eythian anybody using the staff client under IE? One of our clients is seeing styling errors (e.g. the gradient behind the search is missing) and I'm trying to work out if it's IE or something else. 11:31 eythian This is 3.8.3 11:31 * magnuse waves 11:32 eythian hi 11:32 wahanui hola, eythian 11:35 mtompset Sorry, don't have a 3.8.3 up and running. 11:37 magnuse if anyone has easy access to IE they can test with http://demo.bibkat.no:8080/ demo + demo 11:38 magnuse sorry, username/password test1/test1 11:39 mtompset Okay... going there. 11:40 mtompset okay... what am I suppose to see? 11:42 kf eythian: I think the gradients don't work with ie 11:42 mtompset They look the same in firefox and ie to me. 11:42 mtompset what gradients? 11:42 kf mtompset: which version? 11:42 wahanui which version is, like, recommended 11:42 eythian mtompset: the top of the staff client is all gradient 11:43 kf hm 11:43 kf the rounded corners don'tw ork 11:43 kf I think that was it 11:43 mtompset above the search area, sure. 11:43 kf mtompset: in opac? 11:43 eythian no, behind the search area 11:43 mtompset I'm at the link magnuse gave. 11:43 eythian also where it says "set library", is that in readable blue or hard to read white? 11:43 kf eythian: same for me 11:43 kf eythian: Ithink there was a patch for the script color 11:44 kf but I guess the gradients just won't work 11:44 eythian kf: what is the same for you? 11:44 kf no gradients in staff search top 11:44 eythian It's not really the gradients that's the issue, it's the unreadable links at the top 11:44 mtompset the header and breadcrumbs are identical... shades of blue. 11:44 mtompset in the background. 11:44 eythian It was just the most obvious example of a style error, but if IE can't do that... 11:44 mtompset search area between is white. 11:44 mtompset firefox and ie. 11:45 eythian mtompset: no, in firefox it's a blue gradient 11:45 mtompset my monitor sucks for telling it is a gradient. 11:45 mtompset I have to tilt it to tell it is even blue. 11:45 mtompset And set library is legible. 11:46 mtompset it seems more blurred in ie. 11:46 eythian in IE or both? 11:46 jcamins Good morning. 11:46 mtompset it's the same in both. 11:46 mtompset coloring. 11:46 mtompset grading. 11:46 mtompset but ie's header typeset is blurrier. 11:47 mtompset No... the entire page's typeset. 11:47 mtompset but it is still legible. 11:48 eythian http://i.imgur.com/kDHoe.jpg <-- this is what they're seeing 11:48 lamiette :w 11:48 mtompset That's weird. 11:49 mtompset Because I see it just fine in the url that magnuse gave. 11:49 eythian lamiette: :e wrongwindow.txt 11:49 eythian It is 11:49 eythian OK, well that's something. 11:49 lamiette eythian: was hoping no one saw that .. *sigh* one of those days 11:49 eythian heh 11:49 mtompset I'm using IE9. 11:49 magnuse eythian and mtompset: are you using the same version of ie? 11:49 mtompset What version are they using? 11:49 eythian magnuse: I'm not using IE or I'd check myself :) 11:49 eythian I have no idea, probably 7 11:50 mtompset <=IE8 breaks things. 11:50 eythian hmm 11:50 magnuse eythian: ah, of course... 11:51 mtompset Windows XP won't go higher than 8, which means gradient coding has to be ugly for those cases. 11:51 eythian ah, IE8 and IE9 apparently 11:52 mtompset IE8 is probably the problem. 11:52 mtompset (if the brower is to blame) 11:53 eythian mtompset: yeah. 11:53 mtompset If you ever need an IE/Firefox check under Windoze and I'm around, just ask. :) 11:54 eythian :) 11:54 kf sorry, was afk 11:54 kf eythian: I have white script on light blue - but I think there was a patch for that already - check bugz 11:54 kf ? 11:56 eythian kf: fixed post 3.8.3? 11:56 eythian any clue on what the title of the bug would be? 11:56 kf eythian: hmm. maybe. let me try and find it 11:57 kf hah 11:57 kf bug 8414 11:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8414 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Intranet header toplinks display white rather than blue in < IE8 11:57 kf :) 11:57 kf pushed to be in 3.8.4 11:57 eythian ah hah! 11:57 eythian thank you very much :D 11:57 kf you are welcome :) 11:58 eythian wonder why it works in magnuse's demo then 11:58 kf he is running master 11:58 eythian 3.08.03.000 11:58 jcamins magnuse's demon is updated every night to master. 11:58 jcamins *demo 11:58 eythian the version number doesn't reflect that 11:59 jcamins In that case, I don't know. 11:59 kf hm I think he is running 3.8.x master maybe? 11:59 kf and no database updates since 3.8.3 12:00 eythian that's possible 12:00 eythian <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0803000" /> <!-- leave this for stats --> 12:00 eythian I dunno 12:00 eythian no matter 12:01 jcamins It says Koha 3.0900027. 12:01 eythian where? 12:02 magnuse demo.bibkat.no is 3.8.3 - head.bibkat.no is nightly master 12:03 jcamins Right on the front page. 12:03 jcamins Ohhh. I'm looking at head.bibkat.no. 12:03 magnuse "magnuse's demon is updated every night to master" sounded rather cool, akshully ;-) 12:04 jcamins Hehe. 12:04 kf lol 12:04 * magnuse did a little jquery trick to get the version number from the meta tag and onto the front page on head.bibkat.no :-) 12:04 kf sneaky :) 12:07 magnuse moahaha 12:08 eythian http://i.imgur.com/Jhc3z.jpg <-- similarly, anyone seen this sort of thing in IE? 12:08 eythian note: * the stars aren't right, * the tabs aren't right, * the text is chopped off (most likely due to the tabs) 12:08 * kf mutters about having closed her ie a second ago 12:09 jcamins Yes. 12:09 kf it looks like something broke your javascript 12:09 eythian ohh javascfript 12:09 eythian I didn't think of that 12:09 eythian I was thinking of styling 12:09 jcamins Yup. What kf said. 12:09 jcamins Nope. Definitely javascript. 12:09 eythian but only breakingit in IE> goody. 12:10 kf oh yes 12:10 kf I have it too 12:10 eythian yay! ;) 12:10 kf and no javascript customizations 12:10 eythian if you trell me what it is, I'll make a patch 12:10 kf lol 12:10 eythian seriously, what is wrong with my typing today 12:10 kf if I do the work you will patch it? :P 12:10 kf how am I supposed to know? you can't debug ie 12:10 kf it's evil 12:10 kf no firebug :( 12:11 kf and the developer extensions got lost with my new computer 12:11 kf maybe oleonard would know :( 12:11 eythian kf: isn't there a javascript console? 12:11 eythian that'll tell you about errors at least 12:11 kf I can try to find it, but I doubt it's there without the plugin 12:11 eythian kf: if I write the patch, then you get to test it and it goes through faster :) 12:11 eythian I thought it was built in... 12:12 * eythian hasn't used IE in anger since IE5.5 12:12 eythian On Win 3.11 no less 12:12 kf I work on windows... I have deleted all obvious links, but it's still ther 12:12 kf it looks like I got some tools here, triying to find the error 12:13 kf line 170 12:13 kf it says 12:13 kf }, function (data) { 12:13 kf Bezeichner, Zeichenfolge oder Zahl erwartet 12:13 kf Identifier, string or number expected? 12:14 mtompset sorry... I looked away... working on my backup project. 12:14 kf eythian: does that help? 12:14 eythian kf: line 170 of what file? 12:14 kf opac-detail 12:14 jcamins eythian: yes. :P 12:14 jcamins eythian: this is IE we're takling about here. 12:14 eythian awesomecross 12:15 eythian I'll have a look and see if there's something that'd confuse IE in there 12:15 kf lookslike start rating is to blame 12:15 kf hm star rating... my typing is broken too 12:16 kf oh fun 12:16 kf I have to log in for every single page in ie??? 12:17 eythian ? 12:17 kf and i can't save system preference changes 12:17 kf that's no fun :( 12:17 jwagner kf, you shouldn't have to -- do you have cookies disabled or something? 12:17 Amit_Gupta heya jwagner 12:17 jwagner Hi Amit_Gupta 12:17 kf I think it might be, that I am logged into opac at the same time and both are running on the same port? (eythian?) 12:18 eythian for reference, where IE says 'line 170', it's lying. 12:18 eythian but I think I can see the problem. 12:18 eythian Will make a patch for testing. 12:18 kf that's good 12:18 * kf closes the browser and goes directly to the staff interface 12:19 kf nope 12:19 kf it's stillkicking me out 12:19 kf ah, now it's wok 12:19 kf ok 12:19 kf cookie weirdness... 12:20 kf eythian: deactivating star ratings fixes the problem too - so I think we are on the right track 12:20 eythian kf: bug 8547 12:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8547 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Enabling star ratings causes javascript errors that cause IE to have a boo boo 12:20 kf lol 12:20 * mtompset hands kf some chocolate chip cookies. 12:20 kf but I can't test sorry :( 12:21 kf the only place I could apply your patch has no IE and is not accessible from anywhere with IE 12:21 mtompset "to have a boo boo" nice. 12:21 eythian kf: I'll deploy it somewhere for you to test 12:21 kf that will work 12:23 mtompset I dislike this "I'm a monitor that is smarter than you" monitor. 12:24 eythian http://opus.koha.catalystdemo.net.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=18 <-- kf, can you confirm that it is broken here? 12:24 jcamins mtompset: I accidentally bought a monitor like that. I returned it. 12:25 kf can I get cookies? it's painful working with ie 12:25 mtompset Didn't notice it, until after the return period. Oh well. 12:25 mtompset What am I supposed to see wrong/right? 12:25 kf eythian: it's not broken - can you give me a login? 12:26 eythian kf: one moment 12:26 kf eythian: I think it might be why I saw it and the others didn't 12:27 eythian quite possible 12:27 eythian kf: account sent 12:28 eythian mtompset: if it's broken, it looks very obviously broken 12:28 mtompset Yuck... switching between firefox and ie shows the ie's ugliness. 12:29 kf testing 12:29 kf meh - it's still ok :( 12:29 eythian rats 12:30 mtompset sadly, ui testing takes a whole department to get right. 12:30 kf hm 12:30 eythian I shall try moving a database from a known broken site to this one to see if there's something else influencing it. 12:30 kf if I reload the page... it takes a moment to render correctly 12:31 eythian that's because IE. 12:31 jcamins Myshkin would like to participate in the UI testing. 12:31 kf eythian: right. ie## 12:31 kf ie-- 12:32 jcamins He suggests that the UI would be better if it involved more fish. 12:32 kf the language chooser is in the wrong place too 12:32 oleonard Which IE are we bashing today? 12:32 kf jcamins: ask him if maybe little birds would be ok too? 12:32 kf I am looking at ie 8 12:33 jcamins kf: he says that would be acceptable. 12:33 magnuse @karma ie 12:33 huginn magnuse: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 44 times for a total karma of -44. 12:33 magnuse hehe 12:33 kf ah no... that's twitter... maybe mice. 12:33 jcamins He's somewhat less excited about that, but, sure. 12:34 jcamins And now he's in the other room squawking at Shari. 12:34 kf yeah... right, I can understand. maybe we can compromise :) 12:34 eythian http://www.catdvd.com/ <-- jcamins 12:35 kf eythian: could it be something with the cookie? 12:35 eythian kf: who knows... 12:35 eythian however they reported that they didn't see it on the testing site and did see it on the live one, so I'm assuming an option was changed somewhere. 12:38 kf I think it's maybe session/cookie related 12:38 kf I can't reproduce it on my own installation now even :( 12:38 kf oh 12:38 kf I can 12:38 eythian erk 12:38 eythian oh? 12:39 kf maybe - closed the browser, went directly to the detail page 12:39 kf not logged in, no search 12:39 kf no cookie? 12:39 kf let me check if it's the same for your link 12:40 kf no... it shows correctly... *curses* 12:40 jcamins eythian: hehe. 12:41 kf eythian: sorry :( 12:41 eythian kf: hmm 12:41 eythian my link will be a bit weird right now, a reload is half way in progress 12:45 kf eythian: what's in data? 12:45 eythian ? 12:45 kf ah, the think it was complaining abut 12:46 kf it's ok, ignore it :) 12:46 eythian oh right 12:46 eythian no, it's not that 12:46 eythian it's that the list prior to it ends with ',' 12:46 eythian IE hates that 12:46 kf ah 12:46 eythian (at least, that's my theory) 12:47 eythian kf: can you try that link I sent again? 12:47 kf I can reproduce the proble now in our 3.8.3 - but I don't manage to break your installation 12:47 kf yeah, trying 12:47 kf looks perfect 12:47 kf which is bad 12:48 eythian hmm 12:48 tcohen rangi: is the koha-stable ppa gonna be in sync with debian.k-c.org? 12:48 kf hm 12:48 kf weird 12:48 eythian tcohen: rangi will be asleep most likely 12:48 tcohen oops 12:49 tcohen analog wellington clock in my desktop 12:49 tcohen i thought it was pm! 12:49 eythian heh 13:07 mtompset koha-stable ppa? 13:07 oleonard Not to be confused with Koha Stable IPA 13:08 eythian oleonard: an interesting idea... 13:09 jcamins mtompset: it's for Ubuntu packages. 13:13 mtompset Ah... 13:13 mtompset That would be much nicer than pointing at the debian ones. 13:14 jcamins mtompset: except then we have a support issue. 13:14 * jcamins is not interested in learning about PPAs. 13:14 * jcamins suspects that there are very few people who could troubleshoot problems. 13:14 mtompset https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/koha-stable 13:14 mtompset It's already out of sync, tcohen 13:15 tcohen hehe 13:15 tcohen i know, a talked with rangi about that a few weeks ago 13:15 tcohen and told me it could be updated 13:15 tcohen hence the question 13:16 tcohen anyone knows theres a limit on the size of what you have there? 13:16 mtompset Would this be for a koha-common install? or would this be to patch missing perl dependencies? 13:17 jcamins mtompset: this is the other reason I'm not pro-PPA in this case. 13:17 tcohen if there wasn't a limit, we could use it to have out koha-l10n-<LANG> packages too 13:18 mtompset Do we have such things for debian? 13:18 tcohen no we don't 13:19 mtompset Well, since you are dreaming, and I don't want to be a dream killer... What would the purpose of these packages be? 13:20 jcamins mtompset: easily installing translations. It would be glorious! 13:20 tcohen avoid the usage of perl translate install es-ES 13:20 tcohen after an upgrade 13:20 tcohen exactly 13:20 mtompset Is there a pre-install script trigger? 13:21 mtompset for packages? 13:21 tcohen remove all that error-prone stuff out there 13:21 mtompset Because how would the package, without any kind of logic, know where the koha files are? 13:22 mtompset Or even post-install script trigger. 13:22 eythian tcohen: the language stuff is implemented, just needs testing. 13:23 tcohen robin, you're right 13:23 mtompset Aww... there you go, you just killed his dream. ;) 13:25 tcohen no 13:25 tcohen i support the idea of having the language packages 13:26 tcohen I agree they could be scripted in the post-install part of the debs 13:26 mtompset But jcamins, isn't debian.koha-community.org already a PPA of sorts? 13:26 jcamins mtompset: it is a single package repo. 13:26 jcamins mtompset: I am in support of having one and only one official repo. 13:27 tcohen I think there's nothing wrong with the debian repo for ubuntu 13:28 tcohen but I belive the ppa could help us maintaining the infrastructure 13:28 tcohen (one less think to worry about) 13:28 magnuse eythian was this close to having language packages: || 13:28 mtompset I don't see how that is the case. 13:28 magnuse the code probably needs some rebasing now 13:29 jcamins tcohen: fewer things to worry about are good. :) 13:29 eythian magnuse: shouldn't need too much rebasing really 13:29 mtompset less is more! 13:29 tcohen eythian, count on me for testing 13:29 magnuse did i hear eythian volunteering to rebase the code? ;-) 13:29 eythian tcohen: the "infrastructure" is just a webserver that we already have anyway :) 13:30 eythian magnuse: perhaps I should have a look at it this evening. I'll see. 13:30 tcohen yeap, i meant *space* mostly 13:30 magnuse eythian: that would be awesome! 13:30 mtompset Oh, tcohen... did you notice my patch on bug 8485 13:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly 13:31 tcohen yes :-D 13:31 mtompset It should work with 3.6.X, 3.8.X, and master. 13:32 * tcohen is doing git bz apply 13:32 mtompset okay, now I have to ask... what is git bz? 13:32 jcamins git-bz? 13:32 wahanui git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 13:32 jcamins ^^ that is git-bz. 13:33 wizzyrea git bz is AMAZING and WONDERFUL 13:33 wizzyrea srsly 13:33 * magnuse agrees 13:33 wizzyrea combined with git aliases 13:33 wizzyrea and ohhhhhhhhh 13:33 tcohen a script made happiness 13:33 wizzyrea magnuse! 13:33 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 13:33 paul_p wizzyrea git itself is amazing & wonderful ! 13:33 tcohen happiness converted into a script 13:33 wizzyrea well yes 13:33 * oleonard must have beverages on the brain... Now considering an open source coffee brand git-buzz 13:34 wizzyrea ^^ thinkgeek would sell it 13:34 wizzyrea k-cups 13:34 wizzyrea you need git buzz k-cups 13:34 magnuse wizzyrea! 13:34 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA 13:34 magnuse hehe 13:34 wizzyrea hehe :) 13:35 chris_n git bz? 13:35 wahanui git bz is probably so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive 13:35 chris_n wahanui: git bz is also AMAZING and WONDERFUL 13:35 wahanui okay, chris_n. 13:35 chris_n git bz? 13:35 wahanui i guess git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL 13:35 oleonard eythian: Is Bug 8547 about IE8 in particular? 13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8547 major, P2, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Enabling star ratings causes javascript errors that cause IE to have a boo boo 13:35 wizzyrea ! not intuitive?! 13:35 * wizzyrea is surprised 13:35 * chris_n too 13:35 chris_n seems obvious to me :-) 13:36 wizzyrea I think probably if it's not intuitive, it's the bugzilla part, and not the git part. 13:36 eythian oleonard: I don't really know, IE8 and IE9 is what I think it was seen on. 13:36 eythian oleonard: I think kf was using IE8 13:37 * oleonard unchains IE9 from the dungeon 13:37 * wizzyrea wonders why anyone would still be using IE8 >.< 13:37 mtompset Windows XP. 13:37 * chris_n runs away screaming at the mention of IE 13:38 chris_n IE = Idiot's Elysium 13:38 oleonard I like how you can write good software that works on older computers. 13:38 paul_p eythian = you've been jailed in NL ? ;-) 13:38 eythian paul_p: oh, meant to email you' 13:38 eythian paul_p: getting the train back tomorrow 13:38 eythian will email now, also to include Frydolyn 13:41 mtompset wizzyrea: Did you mean this? http://keurigkcupcoffee.com/reviews-Genie_Intellicode_Gitr_3_Remote_Replaces_Git_1_Git_2_amp_Git_3-B003GRL7NS.html 13:41 eythian oleonard: kf could make it work sometimes and not others on the same installation. That's why I think it's a race condition. 13:42 wizzyrea erm lol no 13:42 eythian Probably the faster your server, the more likely to see it you are. 13:42 oleonard Well my local install ain't that fast 13:44 eythian e.g. the client who saw it could see it on their production (self hosted) server, but not the test server we hosted, and kf could see it locally but not on a catalyst server. 13:44 eythian But, there's not many data points in that, so I'm mostly guessing 13:45 oleonard Seriously, do we need an all-caps FAIL in a bug about a form field hint? 13:45 jcamins oleonard: huh? 13:45 * oleonard just amended the title of Bug 8546 13:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8546 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Error in description of OPAC Advanced Search Publication date range search 13:45 jcamins I have rebased all my outstanding patches. 13:46 jcamins (and yes, they are all outstanding:P) 13:47 jcamins oleonard: oh, yeah, I noticed that bug seemed a bit sensationalist. 13:47 magnuse jcamins++ for outstanding patches! 13:49 * jcamins has some fun ones waiting for sign off. 13:50 magnuse a re-written search.pm already? ;-) 13:51 jcamins magnuse: not quite. 13:51 jcamins http://www.cpbibliography.com/services/koha/searchrewrite.html <-- still a little ways to go 13:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8207 follow-up DBrev <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e30b5a334bd6a478faa141b665ce531ad7fbe1d6> / Bug 8207: Allow see also fields in auths to link to thesauri <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe47a27c7980fae891616385a1f6d00f37cf95ef> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8204' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=030a108 13:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #795 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 27 days ago) 13:53 magnuse ooh, cool page, jcamins! 13:54 jcamins magnuse: thanks. 13:55 chris_n git bz needs an "apply all" option 13:56 jcamins magnuse: the hard part, of course, is getting 1(b) fully funded. There is no point (IMO) to starting work until that's fully funded. Starting after that, every additional component would just make things better. 13:56 mtompset That would be dangerous... it would have to check if the patch should even be applied (Patch Do Not Use status?) 13:59 magnuse jcamins: are you taking donations from all comers? 13:59 jcamins Don't see how that's any more dangerous than yes | git-bz apply 1234 14:00 jcamins magnuse: everyone who wants the result to be open source. 14:02 kf :) 14:02 kf jcamins++ 14:02 magnuse ooh, good point :-) 14:05 * magnuse wanders off to cook some arctic char 14:06 mtompset bug 1234 14:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching 14:07 mtompset WORKSFORME?! 14:07 jcamins mtompset: it did at the time, apparently. 14:07 libsysguy heh 14:07 libsysguy or maybe it was working in the sandbox :p 14:08 libsysguy mtompset I wasn't being rude earlier when you said hi, my computer signed me in, in the middle of the night 14:08 mtompset Not a problem 14:09 mtompset I figured it was a butt-dial type problem. ;) 14:09 libsysguy I saw it this morning when I came back 14:09 libsysguy so HI! 14:09 libsysguy heh yeah….maybe my cat sat on my keyboard 14:10 mtompset squirrel? 14:10 mtompset Nothing humorously wrong, wahanui? 14:10 wahanui mtompset: huh? 14:10 mtompset cat? 14:10 wahanui cat is probably http://www.nyan.cat/ 14:11 * mtompset laughs. 14:16 chris_n mtompset: presumably it would be smart enough to bail on a failure to apply :) 14:20 mtompset Okay... 450+ seconds of nyan cat is enough. 14:20 * jcamins tries implementing an apply all. 14:20 mtompset jcamins? 14:20 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins 14:20 jcamins Okay, apply all worked. 14:21 jcamins Cool. :) 14:23 jcamins Okay, updated git-bz in my repo. 14:25 * mtompset decides that going to bed now would be good. 14:25 mtompset Have a good night everyone. 14:41 jcamins chris_n: if you want an 'a' option for applying patches, you can pull it from my repo. 14:45 chris_n jcamins: cool 14:47 * mtompset waves. 14:48 mtompset Bye. #koha. 14:50 oleonard Hi drojf 14:52 drojf hey oleonard 14:52 wahanui oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 14:52 drojf :D 14:52 drojf hi #koha 14:52 kf hi droi and oleonard 14:52 drojf hey kf 14:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #795: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/795/ 14:56 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8486 - Follow up making the tests db independent 14:56 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8233: We can't load test on Koha::SearchEngine::* 14:56 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about file 14:56 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8204 follow-up: quiet warn 14:56 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8207: Allow see also fields in auths to link to thesauri 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation 14:56 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8207 follow-up DBrev 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8207 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Modify authority type frameworks to allow see also fields to link to thesauri 15:05 wizzyrea wait wait is there a new git bz/ 15:06 wizzyrea lol *another* fork ;) 15:09 kf wizzyrea: maybe we should put a repo on kc.org? 15:09 kf to pull all our variations together again :) 15:11 jcamins wizzyrea: I wanted paul_p's patch, and rangi's patch, then I added a bunch of other things 'cause I'm lazy, and next thing I knew, I had a lot of changs. 15:11 kf time to leave - bye all :) 15:11 wizzyrea you know I think we should 15:11 oleonard See you later kf 15:11 wizzyrea we need to have a tools repo 15:11 wizzyrea and a manager for it 15:12 kf hm I think we have some 15:12 kf contribs 15:12 wizzyrea right! 15:12 kf and release-tools 15:12 kf and the migration tools from ruth 15:12 wizzyrea you think just give push perms on git-bz to anyone who wants them? 15:12 kf not sure how the others work 15:12 wizzyrea yea me either 15:13 wizzyrea I think the author has push permissions 15:13 wizzyrea so jared pushes for tools 15:13 kf perhaps the maints and rm could push? and patches sent to the mailig list with a [something]? 15:13 wizzyrea ruth for migration tools 15:13 wizzyrea but git bz doesn't have a specific author really 15:13 kf but now I am really leaving :) 15:14 wizzyrea hehe later 15:24 talljoy morning koha-ians (kohans?) I'm getting an error on an z3950 cataloging import. "Field 100 must have indicators (use ' ' for empty indicators) at /home/load16/kohaclone/C4/Charset.pm line 142" 15:24 jcamins talljoy: invalid record. 15:24 talljoy and the indicators are correct for tag 100. 15:24 talljoy i can import this record just fine through stage marc import and i can z39 it into other koha instances. 15:25 jcamins How do you get the file to stage? 15:25 talljoy downloaded from loc website 15:26 talljoy it errors out on all z39 imports. 15:26 talljoy and the z39 import settings are correct 15:26 jcamins On all Z39.50 imports? 15:26 talljoy yup all of them 15:26 jcamins Just from LC? 15:27 talljoy no, i've tested a couple other z39 targets and they error the same way 15:27 talljoy (although some will error on 650 indicators if there is no 100) 15:27 jcamins What version? 15:28 talljoy 3.8.1 15:28 jcamins At what point do you get this error? 15:28 talljoy i import the error, then make an edit (fill in the 942 and 003 fields) then save. *boom* error 15:30 jcamins Works fine on master. 15:31 talljoy it works on other instances like i mentioned. i'm trying to figure out what setting/etc is making it not work on this install 15:31 jcamins I can't test on 3.8.3 right now, but I'd test on that. 15:31 talljoy i've tested frameworks, checked sys prefs, verified z39 settings..... 15:32 talljoy i've run out of ideas of where to look. 15:32 jcamins If I had to speculate, I'd say it probably has something to do with the fact that you're using a version known to be very buggy. 15:32 talljoy possibly, but i'm successful on other instances on the same version 15:33 jcamins Are you sure it's the exact same version? You're on the load server, which -- if it still works the way it did when I was at ByWater -- has separate kohaclones for every single instance. 15:34 talljoy yes, it's still the same setup. and yes, pretty dern sure it's the same version. at this point, I'm going to upgrade the version (since they will be live on a different version) and then reinstall their z39 clients. 15:34 talljoy barring that, then a clean reinstall on a fresh server. 15:36 jcamins I'd definitely try upgrading. 15:36 talljoy that's my first order of business (altho i hold out little hope. lol) 15:36 talljoy thx jcamins 15:36 talljoy this one is a wacky problem 15:37 talljoy and seems to be related to some config/setting in their database somewhere...... 15:37 oleonard No problem here saving an LOC record on 3.8.3 talljoy 15:38 wizzyrea maybe in a framework talljoy? 15:38 talljoy yeah, i'm 100% this is specific to this install. it is a koha to koha upgrade from 3.0 to 3.8 15:38 talljoy i suspect the z39 sources or the frameworks. time to wipe and load fresh ones. 15:38 gaetan_B bye ! 16:02 wizzyrea well I think the 3.0 frameworks are different from the 3.8 ones? 16:02 * wizzyrea could be wrong 16:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8405 : add IntranetBiblioDefaultView and BiblioDefaultView in XSLT.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=134445d7e54262b2ff77dd36f827f4bbc6c04047> / Bug 8408 - Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=82312383117ec5df678262391ba7a17e94b75336> / Bug 8518 - Self checkout does not display debt am 16:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #796 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 28 days ago) 16:35 oleonard Hi jorgedec_smfpl 16:35 jorgedec_smfpl hello all, is the Koha Git server down? 16:37 * jcamins is checking. 16:37 jcamins Nope. 16:37 gmcharlt works for me 16:39 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) 16:41 JoeLib001 I am getting this error in the zebra-output.log.1 file: 09:49:43-01/08 zebrasrv(382) [warn] ir_session (exception) 16:41 jcamins JoeLib001: zebra-output.log.1 is an old log. Are you getting it in your current log, too? 16:41 JoeLib001 I am doing a search for an ISBN and it returns no results, but I do a search for the same item by title and it shows up. 16:42 JoeLib001 Ah..., hmm... 16:42 JoeLib001 Probably Not. I think the other files were empty. 16:42 jcamins JoeLib001: in that case, the error has nothing to do with your problem. 16:42 JoeLib001 gotcha. 16:42 jcamins JoeLib001: you have to enter the ISBN in *exactly* the same format it is entered in the record, I believe. 16:43 JoeLib001 I copy and pasted the isbn in the record to the z39.50 search and it doesn't show up. 16:43 jcamins Ah. 16:43 jcamins That's odd. 16:43 jcamins What version of Koha? 16:43 JoeLib001 I think the Bug I reported isn't a bug. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8505 16:44 huginn 04Bug 8505: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Records with leading spaces in the 001 line do not return Z39.50 search results. 16:44 JoeLib001 I think the real problem is that I can't get search for an ISBN to show up. 16:44 jcamins Wait, what are you searching? 16:45 jcamins If you're searching another catalog via Z39.50, Koha has nothing to do with how the search is interpreted. 16:45 JoeLib001 3.08.01.000 16:45 JoeLib001 I'm doing a Z39.50 search on itsmarc. 16:46 jcamins Ah. 16:46 jcamins Can't really help you, because it'll be something to do with their configuration. 16:46 JoeLib001 Bummer. :-) 16:46 jcamins They aren't using the ISBN bib-1 attribute. 16:46 JoeLib001 Gotcha. 16:46 cait I have had problems with isbn search too 16:47 jcamins A lot of Z39.50 targets don't support ISBN. 16:47 cait bummer. 16:47 JoeLib001 We do a search in a different cataloging system and it works. 16:47 JoeLib001 via ISBN. 16:48 jcamins You'll need to find out what bib-1 attributes are being mapped for that one. 16:49 jcamins ITSMARC may be able to tell you which bib-1 attributes they are using, too. 16:49 jcamins Then again, they might not. 16:49 JoeLib001 What would I need to do, if I found what the bib-1 attribute is? 16:50 jcamins Tell us, and we'll argue at length about what to do with that knowledge. 16:50 JoeLib001 Heheheheeh. :-) 16:50 jcamins However, you could also (conceivably) change which attribute is you're using for ISBN searches while we're arguing. 16:51 JoeLib001 Thanks for the information. :-) I will see what I can find out. 17:01 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Why doesn't this script pick up items due 2002-08-08?" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/67 17:02 jcamins oleonard: bug? 17:02 oleonard Oh, well then. :P 17:04 oleonard Interesting... it does work with a narrower date range 17:07 oleonard 60 works, 365 works, but 1000 doesn't. 17:08 jcamins 999? 17:08 wahanui i guess 999 is used somehow 17:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #796: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/796/ 17:10 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7955: Followup : Check the syspref value (avoid sql injection) 17:10 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8503: Software error in edit items with EasyAnalyticalRecords 17:10 jenkins_koha * mjr: Add Street Address searchfields set to patrons search header widget 17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Statistics tab in patron module 17:10 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 8518 - Self checkout does not display debt amount if syspref AllowFineOverride is set to allow 17:10 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8408 - Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank 17:10 jenkins_koha * gaetan.boisson: Bug 8405 : add IntranetBiblioDefaultView and BiblioDefaultView in XSLT.pm 17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8503 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error n edit items with EasyAnalyticalRecords 17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8518 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Self checkout does not display debt amount if syspref AllowFineOverride is set to allow 17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8408 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Odd OPAC message when OPAC Renewals are disabled and OPACFineNoRenewals is set to blank 17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8405 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , add IntranetBiblioDefaultView and BiblioDefaultView to XSLT.pm 17:10 oleonard 999 doesn't either. 17:11 * oleonard goes to try every increment between 365 and 1000 17:16 JoeLib001 Hmm...., search via issn works peachy. 17:20 jcamins An article just came across my RSS feed reader with the following headline: "Sprint for Shakespeare." 17:20 jcamins My first thought? 17:20 jcamins "What does Shakespeare have to do with string manipulation?" 17:21 JoeLib001 Hehe. :-) 17:22 cait lol 17:22 jcamins My second thought was "wouldn't it be better to use snprint?" 17:25 JoeLib001 I found two things in my search. One what looks like the itsmarc config settings: http://www.itsmarc.com/z3950.asp. Two I found the z3950_search.pl. 17:27 jcamins Blech! 17:27 * jcamins looks at the code. 17:28 jcamins JoeLib001: that page from ITSMARC is exactly what was needed. 17:29 JoeLib001 So, theoretically it should work? 17:29 jcamins JoeLib001: no, but now I see what the problem is, and I can unilaterally decide it should be fixed. :) 17:30 JoeLib001 Hehe. :-) 17:30 JoeLib001 Well, that's good to know. :-) 17:30 * jcamins will even fix it, since it'll take five minutes. 17:30 JoeLib001 Cool. :-) 17:31 JoeLib001 Is it choking on the Structure vs Truncation? 17:31 jcamins Yup. 17:31 jcamins Also, our handling of ISBN vs. ISSN is... nonexistent. 17:31 JoeLib001 Gotcha. 17:35 jcamins Bug 8550. 17:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic 17:38 jcamins JoeLib001: I have attached a patch, which you should test. 17:39 jcamins If it works, you should sign off. 17:39 cait jcamins++ 17:39 cait might fix an open ticket for me too :) 17:39 jcamins :) 17:40 JoeLib001 Ok, I am checking it. 17:42 JoeLib001 Ok, should I copy and paste it into the file where it belongs? 17:42 jcamins It's a patch. 17:42 jcamins Wait. 17:42 JoeLib001 Run it? 17:42 jcamins You're not doing this on a production server, are you? 17:42 JoeLib001 Yes. 17:42 * jcamins slaps JoeLib001 on the wrist. 17:42 jcamins No! 17:42 jcamins Bad! 17:43 JoeLib001 Hehe. 17:43 jcamins The way you would apply it would be to go to the root of your Koha install, and run patch < patchfilename.patch 17:43 jcamins But don't do that on production. 17:43 jcamins Ever, ever, ever, ever. 17:43 JoeLib001 Gotcha, because it could break something irrevocably? 17:44 jcamins Right. 17:44 jcamins The chances of that particular patch having any ramifications other than (potentially) breaking Z39.50 copy cataloging a little more are incredibly slight. 17:44 jcamins But, it's not impossible. 17:45 JoeLib001 So, what I should do is run the patch on a test server and wait for an official patch? 17:45 jcamins Right. 17:46 jcamins You could even use a sandbox to test it. 17:46 cait sandbox? 17:46 JoeLib001 I have Koha setup in Virtualbox. 17:46 jcamins Just add the appropriate Z39.50 server profile to the sandbox while you're testing it, then delete it. 17:46 cait sandboxes? 17:46 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes 17:46 jcamins Oh, that's even better. :) 17:47 jcamins Do you have a git install? 17:47 JoeLib001 I probably have a lot of updating and what not that I need to do on it. To get it to where I am at. 17:47 JoeLib001 My production server is installed from the Debian Packages. 17:47 jcamins If you have a git install, you can do all the signing off yourself. If not, you might have to apply the patch manually, test it, and have someone else add the sign off line to the patch. 17:48 jcamins Right, but what about your test server? 17:48 JoeLib001 I don't think I have a git install. I think I installed it manually. I can do a git install though. 17:48 jcamins I'd suggest setting up git on your test server. 17:49 jcamins Then you can test things more easily. 17:49 jcamins git? 17:49 wahanui rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 17:49 JoeLib001 Ok 17:49 jcamins ^^ and it's very easy. 17:53 JoeLib001 Ok, I will work on getting a git server up and going. Probably will take a couple of hours. 17:53 JoeLib001 Almost certainly better than trying to update my old Virtualbox Install anyway. :-) 17:54 jcamins Heh. You can use the same install. 17:54 jcamins Unless you used one of the livecds/appliances, in which case... probably better to start over. 17:56 JoeLib001 What version of Debian is recommended? The most recent version? 17:56 jcamins I recommend Squeeze. 17:59 JoeLib001 7 minutes until it's downloaded. Wish I had this fast of internet at home. :-) 18:08 jcamins JoeLib001: also, use the bibliofile Z39.50 server if your subscription allows. 18:11 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ByWaterSolution: "Adding a Staff Patron in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/tXr1wgis #kohails" 18:19 JoeLib001 Ok, I will double check with our Cataloger to make sure we can use it. I think our subscription allows it. 18:27 wizzyrea ugh, the title of that should probably be "adding a staff account" or "adding a staff login" 18:27 wizzyrea a staff patron is different from a staff login, and koha has both. 18:27 wizzyrea </gripe> 18:28 jcamins Agreed. 18:28 JoeLib001 Where was the opening tag? ;-) 18:28 wizzyrea hehe 18:29 jcamins Also, I didn't think there was any change in the procedure since the video of the same title for 3.4, which nengard posted last month. 18:29 wizzyrea I forgot to open it 18:30 jcamins tcohen++ 18:30 tcohen jcamins: i need it in 3.8.x :-D 18:30 tcohen should i try to apply and sign against 3.8.x? 18:30 jcamins tcohen: no need to sign off again. 18:30 jcamins It will apply apply cleanly. :) 18:31 tcohen no need to mention it so rangi applies it to 3.8? 18:31 * jcamins will nudge rangi if he doesn't pick it up on his own. 18:33 cait jcamins: new interface - no change in procedure, but screen changes maybe 18:33 cait jcamins: preparing to create some branches with applied patches :) 18:33 jcamins cait: ah, true. 18:33 jcamins :D 18:35 oleonard Oh this is fun 18:35 oleonard Can't call method "strftime" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/Koha/DateUtils.pm line 117. 18:35 oleonard ...when trying load patron in circulation by scanning their barcode 18:36 cait :( 18:36 cait you mean this is evil 18:38 eythian oleonard: I've patched that 18:38 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes 18:38 * eythian has a look for bug numbers 18:38 oleonard Thanks eythian 18:40 eythian oleonard: most likely either bug 8391 or bug 8532 18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8391 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Cannot view reading record through staff client 18:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Signed Off , Old/iffy data causes error checking out 18:40 eythian I think the latter 18:43 jcamins unimarc? 18:43 wahanui unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 18:45 eythian http://www.littlefreelibrary.org/ <-- on a scale of 1 to awesome, this is super great. 18:46 oleonard eythian: Bug 8532 looks like it's the one, although I see the problem in issues, not old_issues 18:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Signed Off , Old/iffy data causes error checking out 18:46 eythian oleonard: that patch should fix it anyway 18:46 jeff eythian: our library established the first one in the area in one of our neighborhoods. since then, two others have been created in a matter of months -- one using our building plans. :-) 18:46 eythian jeff: nice work :) 18:47 jeff eythian: https://www.tadl.org/littlefreelibrary 18:47 eythian awesome 18:48 cait very cool :) 18:48 eythian looks like a neat little project 18:48 JoeLib001 Will git install all of the necessary things for koha such as a MySQL Server and all that? 18:48 eythian JoeLib001: no 18:48 jcamins No. 18:48 eythian it just gets you the source code 18:48 jcamins I suggest you install the koha-common package, and then do the git install. 18:48 jcamins That's how I do it. 18:48 cait yep 18:48 JoeLib001 Ah, gotcha. 18:49 JoeLib001 Good to know. :-) 18:49 cait and still have to install mysql I think 18:49 cait ? 18:49 oleonard What does installing koha-common get you? 18:50 eythian there's going to be a package that installs all the dependencies. It'll be nice when that gets in. 18:50 eythian oleonard: all the dependencies in one fell swoop. 18:51 * oleonard didn't realize you could mix packages and a git install 18:51 eythian I usually install the packages, and then modify the confs to point to git when building a dev environment. 18:52 eythian It means I can keep the handy tools to do things. 18:52 oleonard Can you elaborate eythian? 18:52 eythian in which direction? :) 18:53 wizzyrea yes, I too am interested in eythian's black magic. 18:54 eythian Bug 7968 will make this easier for the future too. 18:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7968 normal, P5 - low, ---, sofiane.elharsal, Pushed to Master , create meta-packages to simplify installation of koha 18:54 JoeLib001 :-) 18:54 * wizzyrea imagines eythian saying meta in his awesome kiwi accent 18:55 eythian oleonard: I install the packages and create an instance called 'dev', then I check out the git repo somewhere. Then modify koha-conf.xml and the apache conf to point everything to git rather than /usr/share/koha 18:55 oleonard eythian: So /user/share/koha still exists, but it's not being used 18:55 eythian oleonard: or if you mean the tools, stuff like koha-rebuild-zebra (which is just a wrapper) and koha-mysql (which is the handiest thing in the world, if I do say so myself) 18:55 eythian yeah 18:55 eythian it's used by the cli tools, but that's minor. 18:56 eythian and doesn't really matter in a dev env so long as you're aware of it. 18:59 * oleonard mentally composes a rant on staff members who submit vague and misleading error reports 19:01 eythian [off] heh, we have one client (who is lovely and a very good client) who has been sending me some screenshots illustrating issues, a wee bit overcropped, it's almost artistic - they're often missing the key bit of info letting me see it on my own screen. 19:02 jcamins eythian: that's *brilliant*. 19:02 JoeLib001 :-) 19:03 jcamins I never thought of creating an instance first. 19:03 eythian jcamins: zcat filefrommysqldump.sql.gz | sudo koha-mysql dev 19:03 oleonard Librarians tell their patrons to be very specific in reference interviews, so why are librarians so bad at being specific when it comes time to report problems? 19:04 eythian possibly my most used command combo 19:04 cait oleonard: hm, not sure all are 19:04 cait oleonard: most of ours are pretty good at reporting 19:04 oleonard Just my bad luck then cait :) 19:05 cait just fire questions back - it normally helps :) 19:05 eythian oleonard: I can see the motivation in this case, it highlights the exact issue - but misses e.g. the biblionumber that's causing it. 19:05 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-) 19:05 eythian I'd rather a full screenshot with a circle around the important bit 19:05 eythian usually after a few rounds they get good about providing detail 19:05 cait are we talking about a specific bug? 19:05 jcamins Aaaargh! 19:06 oleonard "I checked in a book and the hold message didn't come up!" "Which book?" "I dunno." 19:06 cait lol 19:06 JoeLib001 Hehehehe. 19:06 * eythian should make a little "reporting an issue" checklist for them 19:06 cait you could make a list of all books returned by that staff member that day... 19:06 jcamins Okay, I think there's a patch for this. 19:06 eythian "screenshots, biblionumbers, barcodes...these are a few of my favourite things" 19:06 jcamins Ah-ha! 19:06 jcamins Bug 4226. 19:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4226 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't replace 001 when keepids is not specified 19:07 oleonard cait my rant is prompted by Bug 8532 which just struck our production system 19:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8532 normal, P3, ---, robin, Signed Off , Old/iffy data causes error checking out 19:07 wizzyrea eythian: I think we did that 19:07 wizzyrea and bywater has a post on it 19:07 wizzyrea "writing good tickets" or somesuch 19:07 eythian ah cool, will have to have a dig for it 19:08 wizzyrea i will look it up for you, sec 19:08 wizzyrea :) 19:08 eythian ta 19:08 cait oleonard: oh, sounds unpleasant :( 19:08 eythian As far as I can tell, the dates that trigger this shouldn't be null but in some circumstances end up like that. 19:09 eythian I think Koha needs a bit more focus on "what happens in edge cases" just so it'll at least keep working when something unexpected pops up. 19:09 * eythian tries to include them in documentation so I know they've been thought about 19:10 wizzyrea http://bywatersolutions.com/2012/04/09/entering-good-support-tickets/ 19:12 eythian wizzyrea: I think that's 99% of what I'd include. 19:16 wizzyrea hm I don't see our "reporting problems" post 19:16 wizzyrea maybe I dreamed that 19:16 wizzyrea but ours had to do with "down system" problems 19:16 wizzyrea which he doesn't really address 19:17 jcamins What is a good way to represent hierarchies? 19:17 jcamins And by good I mean "attractive. 19:17 oleonard and by hierarchies you mean...? 19:18 jcamins I will show you what is not attractive: http://screencast.com/t/S0JNOROqveP 19:18 jcamins That is not attractive. 19:18 jcamins But it is a hierarchy. 19:18 jcamins :) 19:18 oleonard specifically the links at the top? 19:18 wizzyrea [off] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A7hjyn3PEWuMjG4a8y4fpiDKztvmAg2QjYWYNiAA8OE/edit < for eythian 19:18 jcamins Right. 19:18 jcamins It's a small hierarchy. 19:19 wizzyrea why yes, we do in fact make them wait 10 minutes. 19:19 jcamins Very small. 19:19 eythian wizzyrea: also useful 19:19 eythian although, most of ours only have support during business hours anyway 19:19 oleonard jcamins: I suppose you could use a tree-table type display, although you wouldn't actually want them collapsing 19:20 wizzyrea right 19:20 eythian (or they're self-hosting in which case that kind of thing is their IT peoples' issue) 19:20 wizzyrea :) 19:20 jcamins oleonard: it should be collapsible. 19:20 wizzyrea <- is the IT people 19:20 jcamins We actually have the Javascript in place to do collapsing. 19:20 oleonard jcamins: Why? 19:20 jcamins But it's very ugly. 19:20 jcamins Uhhh... 19:21 jcamins UNIMARCers like it collapsible? 19:21 * jcamins hadn't really considered this question before. 19:21 eythian wizzyrea: ah right :) 19:22 wizzyrea BUT we get much better problem reports on down systems now 19:22 wizzyrea "I tried using the internet, and everything else still works" AWESOME 19:23 wizzyrea that cuts down the amount of time I have to spend talking to you and decreases the amount of time you have to spend without a system. It's a super good fun happy time win 19:23 * wizzyrea states the obvious 19:23 eythian yeah, that's useful. 19:24 jcamins oleonard: http://biblio.nantes.archi.fr/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=15264 19:24 eythian fortunately in our case, if the whole internet is down for them, they can't file a ticket on our system :) 19:24 wizzyrea hehe but they can still call? or no? 19:24 magnuse ip-telephony ftw! 19:24 eythian they can, but they don't usually. 19:25 eythian Our phone numbers are in emails and contracts and stuff, but they don't seem to actually use them often. 19:25 wizzyrea when we first got on remotely hosted koha we were answering off hours calls all the time when the local internet was down 19:25 wizzyrea like, at least 3-4 times a week 19:25 eythian erk 19:26 wizzyrea adding the requirement that they wait for 10 minutes, and check local internet connectivity before calling cut it down to maybe 1-3 times a month 19:26 wizzyrea so many times it recovers from whatever slow in 5 or so minutes 19:26 eythian yeah, that's a bit more reasonable. The ones we host are mostly companies or government who a) have reliable internet and b) are only there during business hours 19:26 * eythian is done with work stuff and is going to watch tv shows or something 19:27 wizzyrea :D have fun 19:27 magnuse eythian: did you get around to the i18n stuff? 19:27 eythian magnuse: oh 19:27 eythian um 19:27 eythian no 19:27 * magnuse is evil 19:27 eythian not as such... 19:27 eythian I do have 8 hours of train travel tomorrow, maybe then :) 19:28 magnuse cool! :-) 19:28 magnuse you do seem to spend a lot of time on trains :-) 19:28 magnuse ouch brazil beat nz in olympic footie! 19:28 eythian it does feel a bit like that sometimes 19:29 eythian eh brazil is good at that, we're not. 19:29 eythian not too surprising 19:29 cait eythian: if you are on the train and working on pacakges anyway... 19:29 cait eythian: i still have dom and icu on my wish list :) 19:30 cait or you can show me how to do it once you are here :D 19:30 eythian cait: yeah, I'll let you know ;) 19:30 cait have a nice evening :) 19:31 magnuse have fun eythian! 19:32 * magnuse converts all his instances to use memcached for sessions 19:37 maximep damn, just found bug 8215 minutes before sending a patch for the same feature 19:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves 19:38 maximep code I did 1 year ago. Arg. 19:38 jcamins maximep: you might as well submit your code. 19:38 jcamins (if you've successfully rebased it) 19:38 maximep rebased it on 3.8.2 19:38 jcamins That way the preferred implementation can get in. 19:38 jcamins Uhhh... you should submit it rebased against master. 19:39 magnuse wow, why do i have about a million files in /tmp called something like cgisess_9ae860d23a8e27e163ae5c4130df0f0b ? 19:39 maximep well to tell you the truth his patch is the better one 19:39 maximep well 19:39 maximep haven't tested his, really 19:39 JoeLib001 What's the difference between: sudo koha-create --use-db biblio and sudo koha-create --request-db koha 19:40 JoeLib001 Other than the db name on the end? 19:40 cait maximep: I would be interested to see what you have in comparison 19:40 cait :) 19:41 maximep my patch doesn't have the new course, new instructors, etc 19:41 magnuse JoeLib001: the first uses an existing database, the second means you have to run the command, go create your database and come back and run the first 19:41 jcamins JoeLib001: the former uses an existing database, the second gives you instruction for creating one. 19:41 maximep just simple fields where you type what you want 19:41 maximep easier, but makes it possible to have duplicates 19:43 JoeLib001 I thought that's what this command did: sudo koha-create --create-db biblio. 19:43 rangi Morning 19:43 jcamins No, that command creates the database. 19:44 rangi The request one creates instructions you can give to your sysadmin 19:44 rangi To have them create one. 19:44 cait morning rangi 19:44 JoeLib001 Ah, this command: sudo koha-create --request-db koha makes it so when I import my existing db all is well? 19:44 rangi We gpg encrypt it and email it to dba 19:45 JoeLib001 cat koha-db-request.txt was my second command after the request. 19:45 rangi I think you are misunderstanding still 19:46 rangi One creates a koha instance and a db 19:46 magnuse JoeLib001: have you tried "man koha-create"? 19:46 JoeLib001 Ah, no. Probably should. 19:47 rangi The other an instance and a file you can use or give to someone to create a db for you 19:47 magnuse oook, looks like i didn't set up memcached properly somehow, and koha is defaulting sessions to temporary files. ouch! 19:49 JoeLib001 Assuming I already had a DB Created. All that would have done was created a file for the IT Admin to look at that explained what was needed for the Koha DB? 19:49 jcamins JoeLib001: no. 19:50 jcamins If you already have the database created, you need to *use* the database, not give your dba instructions on how to create it. 19:51 JoeLib001 Ok. I think I may be missing a step in my instructions then. 19:56 JoeLib001 Actually, the dba probably ran the second part. This is what we did: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_Koha_3.6_on_Debian_squeeze_using_a_separate_MySQL_server 19:56 JoeLib001 I just thought I had done it. Apparently not. hehe ;-) 19:58 JoeLib001 I think my mind is going.... 19:58 magnuse rangi or someone else: are there any rules for what goes in <memcached_namespace></memcached_namespace>? are underscores a problem? 19:59 rangi Not that I'm aware of 19:59 rangi Didn't someone on a fit of madness shift it to env variables now? 19:59 jcamins Yes. 19:59 rangi Instead of conf file 19:59 jcamins v. mad 20:00 rangi I still hate that 20:00 * jcamins too 20:00 cait jcamins: didn't you have a patch undoing it? 20:00 cait *hope* 20:00 rangi That might be the problem Magnus 20:00 jcamins cait: no, but I had a patch that made it possible to undo it. 20:00 jcamins Which is now in Koha. 20:00 cait oh good start 20:00 jcamins So we could go back to storing the configuration in a sane place. 20:01 cait tthat would be nice 20:01 rangi It's ignoring the conf file need to set it in the apache conf 20:01 * jcamins ponders this code, gets a truffle. 20:01 magnuse ah hah! 20:02 magnuse jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Cache_handling_in_Koha#Votes ? 20:02 JesseM jcamins: if you add a field to the index does the record.abs file get updated? 20:03 jcamins magnuse: with the new cache code that was pushed, ENV was the best choice. 20:03 jcamins I since fixed it, so that we can put it in a configuration file. 20:03 magnuse ah 20:03 jcamins JesseM: you would need to update record.abs if you are using GRS-1. 20:03 rangi Yay 20:04 jcamins JesseM: but, since you're on 3.8, you should be using DOM. 20:04 magnuse so when this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Performance#Configuration talks about "enviroment variables" it's actually talking about the apache config? 20:04 jcamins So you need to update biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml, then update the XSLT. 20:04 rangi Yeah SetEnv 20:04 jcamins magnuse: right. 20:05 JesseM thanks for the info 20:05 jcamins JesseM: you're welcome. 20:05 jcamins JesseM: don't you have developers who do this sort of thing for you? 20:05 JesseM Jcamins: Yes! 20:06 magnuse ah SetEnv, thanks! 20:06 jcamins :) 20:07 magnuse and here i was just figuring out how to use sed to change all the koha-conf.xml's... 20:07 jcamins magnuse: it could come in handy one day. :) 20:07 magnuse yup 20:07 jcamins JesseM: one further note: use DOM. 20:07 magnuse and just to be on the safe side: the SetEnv has to be done for both the opac and the intranet configs, right? 20:07 jcamins magnuse: yes. 20:07 magnuse gah 20:08 magnuse jcamins: thanks 20:11 rangi /ws wiz 20:11 rangi lol 20:11 rangi its gonna be like that today 20:13 chris_n drink more coffee 20:15 rangi yeah good idea 20:20 oleonard Later #koha 20:24 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Adding a Staff Patron in Koha 3.8 http://t.co/zerGssYQ" 20:24 kathryn morning all 20:25 cait morning kathryn :) 20:25 jcamins Ah-ha! 20:25 jcamins I have discovered the problem. 20:26 jcamins Any given node in this tree has 0, 1, or n parents. 20:26 kathryn hey cait :) 20:26 drojf erm. how would i know if my koha uses GRS-1 or DOM indexing? 20:26 jcamins What do you even call a data structure like that? 20:27 jcamins drojf: open up koha-conf.xml. 20:27 jcamins See what it says about indexing. 20:27 jcamins If it doesn't say anything, it uses GRS-1. 20:27 drojf "index" not found 20:28 jcamins GRS-1. 20:28 jcamins I guess you'd call it a graph. 20:28 jcamins Though there shouldn't be any interconnection... I think... 20:28 drojf i wonder if there is something wrong. and is to blame for my missing indexes 20:30 rangi ok 20:30 drojf the wiki says i should use "<xi:include href="/home/paul/"… for dom indexing. so we all index on pauls computer? :) 20:30 rangi what was the name of that b&b that daniel stayed at, that had all the books and stuff? 20:30 rangi for kohacon10 20:30 rangi anyone remember? 20:31 jcamins drojf: where do you see that? 20:31 magnuse rangi: booklovers? 20:31 magnuse rangi: slef and i stayed there, though 20:31 drojf jcamins: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switching_to_dom_indexing 20:32 rangi oh 20:32 rangi cool :) 20:32 jcamins Ah. 20:32 magnuse rangi: http://booklovers.co.nz/ 20:32 jcamins Yeah, just correct it to reflect real paths. 20:34 jcamins This is the third time in three weeks that I found myself wanting to use a for() loop where recursion was the obvious solution. 20:34 cait ts. 20:34 cait :) 20:35 jcamins And, for the third time in three weeks, I can't remember how to convert a recursive algorithm to an iterative one. 20:35 rangi magnuse: thanks!, im recommending it to Karen Schneider 20:36 jcamins Hm. 20:36 jcamins Perl doesn't have pointers for iterating down a tree. 20:37 * jcamins gives up, switches to a recursive algorithm. 20:37 magnuse rangi: lucky her, i'd go back there in no time given half a chance :-) 20:38 * cait would go back too 20:38 maximep recursivity ftw... until you're 10 layers deep 20:38 jcamins maximep: I'd use an iterative algorithm if I could wrap my mind around it. 20:39 maximep sometimes recursivity is easier heh 20:39 cjh jcamins: what do you mean by 'pointers for iterating down a tree'? wouldn't a scalar ref suffice? 20:39 jcamins But if I can't wrap my mind around the algorithm, it's probably not going to be easier to maintain. 20:39 jcamins cjh: can you use a ref to a leaf in another variable? 20:40 cjh jcamins: is the code online anywhere so I can have a peek? 20:40 magnuse phew, looks like memcached is actually working for the sessions now, and my shoulders only ache a little from editing all those apache configs... 20:41 jcamins cjh: not at the moment. I'm writing it from scratch. 20:41 jcamins I'm reworking the authority hierarchy stuff to be more tree-like and less... not. 20:41 cjh ok, I'll have a quick play with perl. 20:42 magnuse oh another lazy question: does koha use memcached for anything other than sessions once the SetEnvs are set? 20:42 jcamins magnuse: yes. 20:43 jcamins magnuse: sysprefs, koha-conf, frameworks, i18n tables, and a few other things. 20:43 magnuse ah ok 20:44 magnuse hm, i just realized munin is picking up memcached activity, but i didn't actually change the SessionStorage syspref yet (*facepalm*) - does it use memcached for sessions just because the SetEnvs are set, independent of the syspref? 20:45 jcamins No. 20:45 jcamins It uses memcached for other things right away, though. 20:45 magnuse ah, but probably for all the other stuff 20:45 magnuse yeah, that makes sense, thanks 20:46 cjh jcamins: do you want breadth or depth first? 20:47 jcamins cjh: depth first. 20:47 rangi mmm bread 20:47 * chris_n passes rangi the jam 20:47 cjh jcamins: recursion is easier then, but now its like a puzzle :) 20:47 jcamins cjh: toldja. 20:48 jcamins So you see exactly what I'm trying to do, I want to convert a string like this: "1,2,6;3,5,6" into two trees. 20:48 cjh iteration will be messy as the depth is unknown and you need to go back up the tree 20:48 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByOU5CwuZjU 20:49 jcamins Handling the separate trees is easy to do iteratively, but processing that (and it could be arbitrarily long) will be an issue. 20:49 * wizzyrea cheers for the mashing of awesome things 20:49 jcamins Right now, we get around this by avoiding turning it into a tree. 20:50 cjh heh 20:50 libsysguy well since you're not looking at a huge overhead in the object you're dealing with I don't see why a recursive solution is all bad 20:50 wizzyrea what is funny, is that orbital has been doing this remix since long before nu who 20:50 jcamins libsysguy: that's my theory. 20:51 rangi wizzyrea: yep its been around for ever 20:51 libsysguy if you were having to open a C4 module every time you'd have an issue :p 20:51 wizzyrea that makes it NO LESS AWESOME 20:51 rangi nope 20:52 wizzyrea this version is super growly 20:52 wizzyrea I like it 20:52 jcamins I figure I'll write the recursive, and if I don't like it, then I'll find someone to help me make it iterative. 20:53 libsysguy objections to removing the exceptions table from holidays 20:53 libsysguy no, okay thanks everybody :p 20:53 cjh jcamins: if each node had a link to their parent and you also had a stack you could make it iterative 20:53 cjh but recursion is going to be tidier :) 20:54 libsysguy ^^ 20:54 jcamins cjh: this is what makes it so painful... I will either have links to parents *or* I will have links to children, but probably not to both. 20:54 libsysguy so its an non-symmetric digraph? 20:55 jcamins @quite get 123 20:55 huginn jcamins: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 20:55 jcamins @quote get 123 20:55 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 20:55 jcamins libsysguy: yes! That's the label I was looking for earlier. 20:56 libsysguy hehe 20:56 JoeLib001 Ok, I have a good functional Koha setup on a test server. Now I install Git? 20:56 cjh orbital dr who is epic! 20:56 rangi it is :) 20:57 cait yes :) 20:57 magnuse g'night #koha - have fun! 20:57 JoeLib001 Night Magnuse. 20:57 rangi cya magnuse 20:57 cait night magnuse :) 20:58 cjh haha blow up daleks being passed around 20:59 wizzyrea I really want a blow up dalek 20:59 jcamins Woohoo! 20:59 jcamins I have passed the first test of writing a recursive algorithm. 20:59 cjh wizzyrea: clearly you don't understand how truly dangerous they are. 20:59 jcamins Infinite recursion! 21:00 cjh jcamins: ummm, progress? :p 21:00 libsysguy heh 21:00 wizzyrea :) 21:00 libsysguy nothing like infinite recursion 21:00 jcamins cjh: it compiles. :) 21:00 wizzyrea oh I get how dangerous daleks are. 21:00 cjh jcamins: oh well if it compiles then you are pretty much finished... 21:01 jcamins cjh: heh. Exactly. 21:06 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "How do I push something onto $VAR1->{children}?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/68 21:06 jcamins I *always* have trouble with this. 21:06 * wizzyrea quips "become a female" 21:06 wizzyrea har har har 21:06 jcamins I was taking a drink of water when you said that! 21:06 wizzyrea wait wait 21:06 wahanui wait wait is, like, there a new git bz/ 21:07 rangi you dont push, its a hash :) 21:07 * wizzyrea suspects jcamins already knows how to do *that* 21:07 cjh jcamins: push @{$VAR1->{children}}, $blah ? 21:07 rangi yep 21:07 * wizzyrea is totally cracking up. 21:07 rangi or even without the { } but its more readable with them 21:08 jcamins rangi: $VAR1->{children} is supposed to be an arrayref. 21:08 cjh rangi: yeah I usually scatter unneeded {}'s everywhere :) 21:08 jcamins Actually, the { } are required here. 21:09 cjh the @ may have a lower precedence than the -> 21:09 jcamins Yup. 21:09 jcamins Higher, rather. 21:09 cjh yeah, I said it bakcwards >.> 21:09 jcamins However, it still doesn't work. 21:09 cjh back even. 21:10 jcamins It tells me it's not an ARRAY reference, but doesn't tell me what it *is*. 21:11 rangi probably just an array 21:12 cjh my $VAR1 = { 'children' => [] }; push @{$VAR1->{'children'}}, "hello"; seems to work for me. 21:12 jcamins Okay, that means I'm doing something non-obviously wrong. 21:13 * jcamins really misses strongly-typed languages, and even pointers, every time time he starts working with hashes and arrays. 21:13 cjh ohhh pointers, do I smell a c programmer? 21:14 jcamins cjh: yep. If this were C I could've been done twenty minutes ago. 21:14 jcamins 'Cause I would've known what the hell format the data I had was in. 21:15 cjh I am still far more fluent in c than in perl, I often miss being able to easily see what the 'type' or an argument or return value is. 21:16 jcamins If I do '$VAR1->{children} = []' right before this line, it still doesn't work. 21:16 jcamins Unfortunately, this is the key part of the algorithm. 21:17 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "the offending code" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/69 21:18 jcamins Wait. 21:18 jcamins Never mind. 21:18 jcamins It works fine. 21:18 cjh heh 21:19 cjh wouldnt the @$branch->{children} at the end of the last line cause issues 21:19 jcamins Yup. 21:19 jcamins It would indeed. 21:19 jcamins And did. 21:19 maximep could your last line be more complicated ? 21:19 maximep wow 21:19 jcamins For twenty minutes. 21:19 rangi upgraded bugzilla, just a point release 21:19 rangi nothing to see 21:19 jcamins maximep: sure... I could've kept it the way I originally wrote it. 21:19 maximep haha 21:20 cjh heh 21:20 maximep seriously the perl syntax just escapes my brain, no mather how many hours I work with it 21:20 maximep I have to learn it all again every time I do any perl 21:21 jcamins Now. 21:21 jcamins Where are the children? 21:21 maximep maybe adding () in the line would help a bit :P 21:21 cjh I was about to say you shoudl probably put the brackets in :) 21:21 rangi http://library.education.govt.nz/ <-- can people see that? 21:21 cjh also could tyrn that last line in to two, up to you. 21:21 cjh turn even. 21:22 cait slow, but I can :) 21:22 maximep probably slow because we all tried it. Works for me :p 21:22 jcamins Once it's actually working, I'll definitely clean it up. 21:22 jcamins Requires a login. 21:22 rangi cool 21:26 jcamins Can I generate an anonymous hash with TT? 21:26 jcamins Ah, got it. 21:28 jcamins Proof: http://screencast.com/t/tjdYEOde 21:30 cait hm missing space :) 21:30 cait *hides* 21:32 cait jcamins++ :) 21:32 cait good night :) 21:35 JoeLib001 Night cait. 21:36 JoeLib001 Do I want to track the development version or the 3.8.x version? 21:36 rangi do you plan to do development? 21:37 JoeLib001 I am mostly doing this so I can test the patch that jcamins created. I don't know about the future. 21:37 rangi if so, then track master, all patches should be submitted/tested against master first 21:37 rangi unless they specifically state they are for a branch 21:38 rangi and then the release maintainers, will cherry-pick them from master back to their branches if needed/desired 21:38 JoeLib001 Like this: git checkout -b mywork origin 21:38 talljoy jcamins: remember the problem i had with z3950? 21:38 jcamins origin/master 21:38 wahanui origin/master is specify the mster branch from origin (upstream) 21:38 jcamins talljoy: what problem? 21:38 wahanui problem is its human beings doing it 21:39 rangi yeah damn wetware 21:39 jcamins Oh, yes. 21:39 talljoy well scroll back to this morning and I was getting an error for missing indicators 21:39 jcamins Sorry, we're talking about a different problem with Z39.50. 21:39 talljoy it turns out it is the "BiblioAddsAuthorities" syspref setting 21:39 jcamins Oh? 21:39 talljoy set to allow it causes that error. set to don't allow it works 21:40 jcamins Hm. 21:40 talljoy 3.8.01 and 3.8.02 i don't have a 3.8.03 to test on 21:40 jcamins That seems... odd. 21:40 talljoy seemed very odd to me too. 21:40 JoeLib001 So, like this: git checkout -b mywork origin/master 21:41 jcamins talljoy: see, here's the thing that makes it so weird: as of 3.8, BiblioAddsAuthorities is essentially a no-op. 21:41 talljoy well, it has tentacles remaining. at least in z39 imports 21:41 talljoy or Charset.pm 21:42 talljoy it only took me 8 hours to track down. i need a beer. after i write up this bug report. 21:44 * rangi wanders off to a meeting 21:51 JoeLib001 Alright, I got that sorted out. 21:52 jcamins Woohoo! 21:52 jcamins I got it working. 21:52 cjh jcamins++ 21:52 jcamins It has file folder icons which are ugly and make no sense, but it's a start. 21:52 JoeLib001 :-) 21:52 cjh jcamins: you were right before when you said youd only need children pointers, with a stack the parent pointers arent needed. 21:53 JoeLib001 Ok, now how do I apply the patch? I think I am at that step now. I have it installed and have cloned koha and set it to user origin/master. 21:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #116 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:53 jcamins You download the patch file, the do "git am patchfilename" 21:53 cjh JoeLib001: one you have downloaded it "git am -ui3 <path_to_path>" 21:53 jcamins I always use wget. 21:54 jcamins path_to_path? :) 21:54 cjh my typing today... *sigh* 21:54 jcamins :) 21:56 JoeLib001 (I hate stupid features.) Such as the shortcut I just found for turning my screen sideways. 21:56 melia I have a question about dropbox mode and fines (again). 21:57 melia here's the story: the date due was 7/31/2012 23:59. 21:57 melia the item was returned overnight in the dropbox. the fines script ran at 1:20am on 8/1. 21:57 melia the librarian checked in the item on the morning of 8/1 with dropbox mode on. 21:58 melia the return date is showing as 7/31/2012 9:04 21:58 melia and the fine was charged 21:58 melia I'm confused because return date is before date due, so I would have expected no fine to be charged. or does the fines script need to be run later in the day to keep those fines off? 21:59 melia this is related to bug 5644, which I am still confused about :) 21:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5644 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date 22:00 melia or bug 8338 22:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8338 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , fines not cleared with dropbox mode 22:00 melia actually, I think I answered my own question. I think the problem is bug 8338, now that I am reading it again. 22:02 JoeLib001 Alright, Patch Applied. 22:07 JoeLib001 How do I run Koha from git? 22:07 JoeLib001 I am assuming that's what I'm missing. 22:08 jcamins JoeLib001: you need to modify the Apache config file to point PERL5LIB to your git directory. 22:08 jcamins (and everything else that's currently pointing at /usr/share/koha in the Apach conf file. 22:08 JoeLib001 Gotcha. I saw instructions on that somewhere. 22:14 drojf with dom indexing, do i only change the indexdefs files (or record.abs to generate it) if i need an extra index? what is with ccl.properties, Search.pm and bib1.att, can i forget them forever? 22:15 JoeLib001 Eythian said this earlier: I install the packages and create an instance called 'dev', then I check out the git repo somewhere. Then modify koha-conf.xml and the apache conf to point everything to git rather than /usr/share/koha 22:15 JoeLib001 So, all I should need to do is replace all /usr/share/koha paths with the kohaclone path? 22:16 jcamins drojf: don't change record.abs if you're using DOM. You still have to modify ccl.properties, Search.pm, and bib1.att as appropriate. 22:17 jcamins See my rewrite for a hopeful future where that's unnecessary. 22:17 jcamins JoeLib001: probably, but I've never tried it. 22:18 drojf would have been too great 22:20 drojf JoeLib001: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Dev_Env_Setup#Step:_Point_This_Koha_Instance_At_Your_Development_Code_Checkout 22:37 JoeLib001 Well, I didn't do something right. ;-) 22:39 JoeLib001 Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/koha/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /etc/koha/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 30. 22:42 drojf you are just missing a dependency, apt-get libdatetime-format-mysql-perl 22:43 drojf i guess i made something weird too, now i don't find anything in koha :D screw it, going to bed 22:43 drojf good night #koha 22:49 libsysguy @wunder 75707 22:49 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in Lake Tyler (D3895), Tyler, Texas is 35.6°C (5:44 PM CDT on August 01, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 7 PM CDT Thursday... 22:50 libsysguy yup hot 22:53 JoeLib001 Hehe. ;-) 22:54 JoeLib001 Hmm...., I am trying to point to a intranet directory in my kohaclone that doesn't exist. That's awesome. ;-) 22:54 jcamins_away @wunder 11375 22:54 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 23.9°C (6:32 PM EDT on August 01, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Rising). 22:54 jcamins_away JoeLib001: point it just to the kohaclone directory. 22:54 JoeLib001 For the intranet/htdocs? 22:55 jcamins_away Yes. 22:55 JoeLib001 Oh. 22:55 JoeLib001 Ok. 22:56 JoeLib001 Lines like this: <intrahtdocs>/etc/koha/kohaclone/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl</intrahtdocs> 22:56 JoeLib001 Should Read: /etc/koha/kohaclone/? 22:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #116: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/116/ 22:56 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about file 22:56 JoeLib001 With the opening and closing tags. 22:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 22:57 jcamins_away Your kohaclone shouldn't be in /etc. 22:57 jcamins_away It should be in /home or something like that. 22:57 jcamins_away /etc is for configuration files only. 22:57 JoeLib001 Should I redo my kohaclone? 22:57 jcamins_away No, just move the directory. 22:57 jcamins_away mv /etc/koha/kohaclone /home/joelib001 22:57 jcamins_away :) 22:58 JoeLib001 Yep. 23:07 JoeLib001 I don't need to change this line? ScriptAlias /index.html "/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl" 23:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #117 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:28 rangi http://search.cpan.org/dist/Regexp-Debugger/lib/Regexp/Debugger.pm 23:28 rangi https://metacpan.org/module/Bench 23:33 JoeLib001 Hmm..., still getting this error. Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/joe/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/joe/kohaclone/C4/Koha.pm line 30. 23:34 rangi looks like you have missed installing a module 23:34 JoeLib001 I'm working with git. 23:34 rangi you using debian/ubuntu or something else? 23:34 JoeLib001 Trying to run Koha from my git install. 23:34 rangi yes, thats a module that Koha needs to run 23:35 JoeLib001 It wouldn't have been installed when I installed koha-common? 23:35 rangi sudo apt-get install libdatetime-format-mysql-perl 23:35 rangi not unless you installed from the dev repo, because thats not needed for 3.8.x 23:35 rangi its a new module, for 3.10.0 when thats released 23:36 JoeLib001 Aaahh.... 23:36 JoeLib001 So, I am running into dependency errors. 23:36 rangi yep run 23:37 JoeLib001 Ok, 'cause that fixed the first error. Now I have another. ;-) 23:37 rangi koha_perl_deps.pl -m 23:37 rangi so ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m 23:37 rangi in your git checkout 23:37 rangi it will less all you are missing 23:37 rangi less=list 23:39 JoeLib001 ? NO /home/joe/kohaclone/intranet/cgi-bin/kohaversion.pl at /home/joe/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 220. 23:40 rangi config file is still not right 23:41 JoeLib001 Ah, the /etc/koha/apache-shared-intranet.conf file? 23:41 rangi your koha_conf.xml one 23:42 rangi unless you got that in your webbrowser? 23:42 rangi im assuming you got it when you ran the command to get the dependencies? 23:46 JoeLib001 Ah, no. I'm getting that when I try to connect to 127.0.0.1:8080 23:47 rangi then yep, it is your apache conf 23:47 JoeLib001 Ah, <intranetdir>/home/joe/kohaclone/intranet/cgi-bin</intranetdir> 23:47 rangi yep 23:47 rangi that will do it 23:48 rangi dont need the intranet/cgi-bin on the end 23:49 JoeLib001 Ok. 23:50 JoeLib001 Ok, think I have the conf file good. Now I need to make sure to fix the 10 dependencies before I expect anything to work. ;-) 23:53 JoeLib001 I can't seem to find a package for this: CHI 0 * 0.36 23:54 JoeLib001 0 being my version and .36 being the version expected. 23:56 rangi ahh its optional 23:56 rangi you can skip that one 23:56 JoeLib001 Good, cause I can't find it. hehe.