Time Nick Message
22:28 Morthland2 My OPAC seems to be denying non-local IP addresses
22:26 magnuse have fun rangi
22:26 rangi cya magnuse
22:26 * magnuse wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day
22:22 magnuse good :-)
22:21 eythian no idea :)
22:21 magnuse man, someone messed up - i wonder who... ;-)
22:20 magnuse but not in the man page i'm looking at
22:20 magnuse koha-remove seems to actually be in the docbook in master
22:19 magnuse and "man koha-foreach" has koha-list in the synopsis... gah!
22:19 eythian also koha-remove
22:19 magnuse most likely
22:18 rangi mistake ?
22:18 * magnuse wonders why there is no mention of koha-create in "man koha-common"
22:10 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Signoff Statistics for July 2012 http://t.co/fFyKhCEl"
22:08 eythian I don't think the wizard of oz is set in kansas, toto.
21:59 wizzyrea (yes, you can imagine that as it comes from the wizard of oz. I am a kansan after all)
21:59 * wizzyrea is off to fetch the kiddo
21:58 wizzyrea later peps
21:57 rangi coffee time brb
21:46 wizzyrea my favorite was the one with Councilor Troi from star trek
21:44 libsysguy http://ermahgerd.jmillerdesign.com/#!/translate
21:44 * jcamins goes to pick up some herbs, flour, and dried grains from the CSA, after reclaiming his socks from the cat.
21:44 jcamins I do believe... yes, the cat stole my socks.
21:43 libsysguy http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ermahgerd
21:43 wizzyrea yes that
21:43 wizzyrea http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/479/GERSBERMS.%20BERST%20BERKS%20EVARH_e7cb73_3456208.jpg
21:43 wizzyrea er no
21:43 wizzyrea http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596527051.do
21:42 wizzyrea yes
21:42 wizzyrea oh wait
21:42 wizzyrea regrettably, no
21:42 libsysguy wizzyrea have you seem the goosberms meme
21:42 libsysguy I can't find the site I was looking for
21:42 wahanui rumour has it libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
21:42 wizzyrea libsysguy?
21:41 * wizzyrea giggles
21:41 libsysguy ug
21:41 * wizzyrea refrains from critiquing your spelling as well.
21:40 jcamins rangi: this is good. It makes automating the QA failing easier. :)
21:40 rangi jcamins: we dont have to, we just do
21:40 jcamins We can add a check for "$template->param" to the git hook.
21:40 libsysguy bad caps grammer
21:40 wizzyrea I think you mean YA RLY
21:40 jcamins YRS?
21:39 libsysguy YRS RLY!
21:39 jcamins Oooh... I know... we always use $template for the template, don't we?
21:39 wizzyrea O RLY
21:39 libsysguy Anna is the only one allowed to do any spanking around here :p
21:38 * wizzyrea imagines the ascii spanking libsysguy would apply, laughs
21:33 rangi :)
21:32 eythian rangi: $template->{VARS}{fishface} = ... ;)
21:31 rangi yeah
21:30 libsysguy and it would be using template->param
21:30 * libsysguy goes to look
21:30 libsysguy oh i bet the calendar code was using template param
21:30 rangi it could be a scalar, a hashref or an an arrayref
21:29 libsysguy heh
21:29 libsysguy it was arras of hashes before
21:29 rangi $template->{VARS}->{fishface} = whatever the hell you want :)
21:29 jcamins What are you trying?
21:29 jcamins No, I guess we usually do arrays of hashes.
21:29 jcamins Well...
21:29 jcamins Hashes.
21:29 rangi its up to you
21:29 libsysguy I can't for the life of me figure out how to loop through a hash in TT
21:29 libsysguy rangi or jcamins do we typically put TT vars in arrays or hashes
21:28 mgeist Time to go. Have a good evening!
21:28 rangi that'd work
21:28 jcamins Or something.
21:28 libsysguy then an ascii hand to come smack you down
21:28 jcamins Or move it into C4::Template::Shims, and only include that in legacy code.
21:27 jcamins "You have set a parameter incorrectly."
21:27 rangi good idea
21:27 jcamins Put in a warning.
21:27 jcamins You know what we should do in 3.12?
21:27 jcamins Shims_going_away++
21:26 rangi that we have a shim for, but it should go away
21:26 jcamins (and all caps only when your code could easily get missed)
21:26 rangi thats an html::template thing
21:26 libsysguy i can do that
21:26 rangi and dont do $template->param either
21:26 * libsysguy goes back to delete all the bad loo vars
21:26 jcamins But, I think it's probably good to do all caps.
21:26 libsysguy 0_0
21:25 jcamins You don't have to do that in new code.
21:25 libsysguy i keep wanting to do mine as holiday in holidays etc
21:25 libsysguy I've decided to hate it
21:25 eythian me too :)
21:25 jcamins I've decided it's endearing. :)
21:25 jcamins It's because it was automatically converted.
21:25 eythian libsysguy: it's a legacy of template conversion
21:25 jcamins Very strange.
21:24 libsysguy foreach *_LOO in *_LOOP
21:24 libsysguy does anybody else find the template toolkit loop variables name strange
20:16 cait ah ok :) cool :)
20:16 rangi nope, its from marking signed off
20:15 cait but I guess it's from qaing?
20:15 cait we can try to
20:15 rangi its now showing signoffs for august
20:15 rangi just the signoff stats
20:15 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/08/01/signoff-statistics-for-july-2012/
20:15 cait are you going to reset totally?
20:15 cait ah
20:14 rangi can anyone beat jonathan this month
20:14 rangi right, new month, new scoreboard
20:11 rangi http://wellington.thursdaynightcurry.com/
20:10 rangi sekjal: i used to run into them a lot more when i went to curry thursday
20:04 sekjal rangi: figured Wellington was a small enough open source IT community that you may have had some overlap
20:00 rangi ah yeah, its an upgrade
20:00 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @andisugandi: "Hore! Bug perl-GraphicsMagick (Graphics::Magick) di #openSUSE 12.2 (RC) sudah diselesaikan → http://t.co/WOYWN6Y3 =) | #Perl #KohaILS #Koha"
20:00 jcamins Didn't it say they went live in 2008?
20:00 jcamins But they've been using Koha for a while.
19:59 cait cool :)
19:59 rangi hmm thats the first lithuanian library i know of using koha
19:57 rangi was answering a later
19:57 cait hm?
19:56 rangi sekjal: yep I do :)
19:50 jcamins Well, I tried.
19:43 cait it would be nice tho :)
19:43 cait hm
19:42 jcamins Got it.
19:42 cait only the items 952 is used
19:42 jcamins Ah.
19:42 cait not to the new order form
19:42 jcamins cait: can't you use the ACQ framework to add additional fields to the acquisitions module?
19:29 cait agreed
19:29 jcamins Nor am I, but that's the way it is.
19:28 cait ah, only not a fan of the () syntax
19:28 jcamins If that's what you were objecting to.
19:28 jcamins To save typing.
19:28 cait hm?
19:27 jcamins Add "(OCoLC)" as a default value to the 035$a.
19:27 cait but ok
19:27 cait ew
19:26 jcamins :)
19:26 jcamins (OCoLC)ocm123456789
19:26 cait where do you put the source with 035 again?
19:25 jcamins Of course, I've been saying that for a year with no effect.
19:24 rangi Makes sense
19:24 rangi Yea
19:23 jcamins Which would be exactly why I say to use 035.
19:23 jcamins The problem is, if you get vendorload records prior to your OCLC overlay, the 001 could have god-knows-what.
19:23 cait morning rangi
19:23 cait oh
19:22 jcamins Because most libraries don't pay the exhorbitant rates for Z39.50 access to OCLC, I think.
19:22 trea morning rangi
19:21 rangi Morning
19:20 cait creating the order from external source?
19:20 cait I wonder why not downloding directly?
19:20 cait she is
19:19 * jcamins sighs
19:19 jcamins nengard is telling people to use 001 for OCLC number, isn't she?
19:16 oleonard See ya later #koha
19:02 cait Morthland: did you just reimport the database?
19:01 jcamins Morthland2: sounds like your MySQL server isn't running.
19:01 jcamins Sounds like a branchcode issue.
19:00 Morthland2 I'm getting this error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 31. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 31. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intran
18:52 cait only guessing mostly, but maybe
18:52 JesseM Thx cait
18:51 cait so if you have old ones... could be related to the branchcode maybe
18:51 cait also only the current library will show now I think
18:51 JesseM ok thanks oleonard
18:51 cait JesseM: try refreshing the page
18:50 oleonard We don't do suggestions in our production system so I can't help by checking there
18:50 oleonard I certainly don't have that problem in master JesseM
18:47 JesseM Old suggestions not showing at all
18:47 oleonard What's the issue JesseM ?
18:46 JesseM Has anyone come across an issue viewing purchase suggestions in Suggestions Management after an upgrade to 3.8.3?
18:25 Brooke icky
18:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8535 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Granular permission for viewing patron information
18:24 oleonard Working on Bug 8535 and discovering all kinds of messes
18:24 oleonard Fine.
18:23 Brooke how's it going, Owen?
18:23 Brooke felt like logging on :)
18:23 oleonard Hi Brooke, what brings you 'round?
18:22 Brooke o/
18:20 oleonard Will the follow-up make it work correctly? :|
18:19 oleonard Oh, I guess so: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_activity.cgi?id=7955
18:19 oleonard Is it a follow-up which makes it signed-off?
18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Statistics tab in patron module
18:18 oleonard Bug 7955 says "signed off" but a statistics tab is already on patron records? I'm confused.
17:19 Morthland Well. That's pretty nifty.
17:18 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
17:18 Morthland packages?
17:18 jcamins It's even easier when you use packages.
17:17 Morthland Fantastic. Thanks!
17:17 jcamins It runs automatically when you try to log in the first time.
17:17 jcamins Yes.
17:17 Morthland Will the webinstaller run if I have a database already?
17:16 jcamins Morthland: and running the webinstaller.
17:15 Morthland ?
17:15 Morthland from 3.8.1 to 3.8.3
17:14 Morthland is upgrading as simple as sudo make upgrade?
17:05 cait I think unless someone asks for it... I would not take it into account
17:05 cait if you can circ, you will have to check the name, not sure if it makes sense to not see the rest?
17:05 jcamins Hehe.
17:05 * oleonard has learned never to trust his common sense in these situations
17:05 cait hm
17:04 oleonard I wonder if there is a situation where you would give someone circ permission but not want to grant them view_patrons permission?
16:51 * chris_n dutifully notes that his "round 'tuit" is carefully hidden away in a little used drawer at home
16:48 jcamins Heh.
16:46 rambutan I have so informed the reference librarian in question and cc'd: the cataloger of this MLS-level information. They will possibly think I'm very smart. I'll wait 24 hours before giving the proper citation.
16:46 rambutan canx above
16:46 rambutan I have so informed the reference librarian in question and cc'd: the cataloger of this MLS-level information. They will possibly think I'I'll wait 24 hours before giving the proper citation.
16:43 * oleonard gives AACR2 the finger
16:43 oleonard Ha
16:43 jcamins oleonard: AACR2 says that the book record is correct, and "I am number 4" should not appear anywhere in the record.
16:42 oleonard How does AACR2 suggest you handle such cases?
16:42 jcamins (silly? Why yes!)
16:42 jcamins And of course AACR2 says you don't list numerals in 246, just spelled-out numbers.
16:41 jcamins Based on a DLC record.
16:41 jcamins rambutan: B&T's record is... somewhat less complete.
16:41 rambutan harumpfff
16:40 oleonard rambutan: The DVD has "I am number 4" as "other title"
16:40 jcamins Shane-S: koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename
16:40 rambutan Correct title for both is "I am number four".
16:40 Shane-S okay, I will search the wiki for re-indexing I remember doing that in the past with my 3.6 test system
16:39 rambutan search "I am number four" results in both DVD and book
16:39 jcamins The batch edit functionality won't allow you to edit the barcode in that way.
16:39 rambutan Interesting behavior: http://opac.rhcl.org <- search "I am number 4" results in DVD only...
16:39 jcamins No.
16:38 Shane-S batch edit perhaps?
16:38 Shane-S is there a way to do it via Koha so I can avoid that step?
16:37 jcamins Zebra doesn't know you've changed it.
16:37 jcamins Shane-S: you have to reindex everything if you change things in MySQL.
16:36 Shane-S do I need to run the query on more then the "items" table?
16:36 Shane-S jcamins: I think I am missing something, I did a test query to remove leading zero's and the item shows the barcode change, but I have to search with the leading zeros. I went to lunch for 20 minutes to give time for a zebra index
16:31 jcamins There is a cat sitting on my keyboard. It makes work very difficult.
16:25 nengard want
16:25 nengard we moved on to serials but that does help us and that is what we watn
16:25 nengard oleonard and jcamins thank you!!
16:21 jcamins gmcharlt: ah.
16:21 gmcharlt jcamins: no missing patch, just something awaiting tuits
16:20 paul_p jcamins = if that's things we can improve later, I've no problem with it ;-)
16:19 jcamins Full disclosure: I tend to find things that I want changed. :P
16:19 jcamins paul_p: yes, I was just thinking I would.
16:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
16:19 paul_p jcamins = you're also welcomed to test bug 7167 !
16:19 paul_p chris_n++ !
16:19 jcamins Uhhh...
16:19 chris_n I'll schedule some time tonight or tomorrow for it
16:18 jcamins Oh.
16:18 chris_n paul_p: fantastic
16:18 oleonard staffaccess = "Modify login / permissions for staff users"
16:18 jcamins oleonard: staffaccess?
16:18 oleonard We don't have a generic "can be logged in to the staff client" permission
16:17 * oleonard wonders if there's a better way to handle the error pages (404.pl, etc) than authnotrequired => 1
16:16 jcamins oleonard: that doesn't seem like such a good idea.
16:15 * oleonard finds several staff client scripts with authnotrequired => 1
16:14 jcamins gmcharlt: in biblio-koha-indexdefs.
16:14 gmcharlt jcamins: where, specifically? I'm seeing references in several files in both master and 3.8.x
16:14 paul_p nengard = hi from France, catalogers !
16:12 jcamins There are no "index_heading" calls.
16:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
16:11 jcamins gmcharlt: was a patch lost on bug 7818?
16:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
16:11 paul_p chris_n = bug 7167 updated ! (could not work on it yesterday morning, but we took the whole day on it with joubu !!!)
16:07 * mtompset waves bye to #koha and the catalogers. :)
16:06 jcamins Thanks.
16:06 mtompset I know, but people should know what a knowledgeable expert you are. ;)
16:05 wahanui PQF is Prefix Query Format or at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF
16:05 mtompset PQF?
16:05 jcamins mtompset: actually, we can avoid PQF for this query, provided they're using DOM indexing.
16:04 mtompset He didn't want to scare with the PQF. ;)
16:04 jcamins nengard: does that simple query meet the needs?
16:03 jcamins oleonard: I know. But I wanted to start with the "things that people will be able to remember" option.
16:02 oleonard I just think it's important to note since the question may be about a more exclusive search
16:02 jcamins (any search we can come up with without using less-than-memorable syntax)
16:01 jcamins oleonard: yes, but any search we can come up with will do that.
16:01 oleonard Don't know if that's okay or not?
16:01 oleonard jcamins' search will return results for subjects like " Urban folklore -- United States -- Encyclopedias."
16:00 mtompset Greetings, catalogers.
16:00 jcamins Hi catalogers.
15:59 mgeist Hi catalogers.
15:59 jcamins And searching for "united states -- encyclopedia" in subject doesn't work?
15:59 oleonard Hi catalogers!
15:58 nengard the question is what do i search if i want to find things with the subject of united states and the subject subfield of encyclopedia
15:57 nengard say hi to the catalogers :)
15:57 nengard I'm training
15:57 nengard jcamins you're just the person I need :)
15:57 jcamins I don't think I do.
15:57 jcamins Hehe.
15:56 eythian "must have negative LOC count"
15:54 oleonard developper = cross between developer and tree-trimmer?
15:54 mtompset Hey, I didn't type. Someone else did.
15:54 gmcharlt I like it -- "developper. noun. One who improves code by removing some."
15:54 gmcharlt developper?
15:53 wahanui i guess jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:53 mtompset jcamins?
15:53 mtompset gbsd... sit in a corner and fix all the FIXMEs.
15:52 mtompset Bye, kf.
15:52 kf and bye all :)
15:52 kf into scripts that need refactoring
15:51 kf oleonard++ for going there :)
15:50 * oleonard grumbles about FIXMEs which say simply "this script needs to be refactored"
15:50 mveron By #koha
15:49 oleonard At this point I don't need to do "flagsrequired => { A or B }", so I'm not waiting to find out if it can be done
15:48 kf sorry, I got distracted :(
15:48 kf did you find out about the permissions?
15:48 kf not me
15:48 jcamins Hehe.
15:48 oleonard "Hey, I said he could only modify patrons, not view them too!"
15:47 oleonard If I create "modify_patrons" and "view_patrons" permissions is someone going to complain that a user with "modify_patrons" permission can do all the same things someone with "view_patrons" can do?
15:36 * Shane-S hasn't done a complex query in a while...goes to mysql.com
15:36 jcamins I would.
15:36 Shane-S hmm...wonder if I should just do an SQL query looking for barcodes starting with 00 and strip them out
15:36 jcamins Shane-S: why don't you take out the two leading zeros?
15:35 Shane-S Our label from a vendor, don't have the T00 hidden in the barcode, so we can just make the numbers match exactly. In Koha they have 2 leading zero's the barcode label does not
15:34 Shane-S It seems all the labels from the Circ/Cat system need to be replaced.
15:33 Shane-S I personally am just doing a trial, so I can direct the librarian in the quickest manner to correct barcodes in Koha and make barcode labels for the books that need their label replaced
15:32 jcamins I'm still not exactly clear on what you're doing, but I'm glad I could help. :)
15:32 Shane-S jcamins: Thanks for the help, now I can start making my giant piles
15:30 Shane-S I was just trying to save a click, you have to pick search the catalog or cataloging from more. However, you are right the search from cataloging saves 3 clicks over the cataloging search
15:28 jcamins Shane-S: then use the search box that appears on almost every page.
15:28 Shane-S making 2 piles...work and don't work, then 2 piles from the "don't work" fix and replace
15:28 Shane-S Search I didn't like as I have to specify what I am looking for. I need "speed" right now to just verify barcodes
15:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
15:27 mtompset jcamins, koha_perl_deps.pl patch for bug 8485 has been uploaded.
15:27 Shane-S jcamins: okay I see, I thought cataloging make more logical sense, but it does what you say and the barcode testing works as well
15:27 jcamins Click the link "Search" to get to the advanced search screen.
15:26 jcamins Yes. "Search in catalog."
15:24 Shane-S the one with checkout/checkin/patron/catalog under it?
15:23 jcamins You should just use the regular search if you don't want to look at the MARC.
15:23 Shane-S jcamins: sorry got pulled away, I am using it to fix barcodes, so I am searching for books by title, clicking the right one, seeing MARC, click normal, find the book with the bad barcode and click the barcode #, then I click Edit Item so I can fix the barcode
15:16 mtompset I'll submit the patch anyways. :)
15:16 mtompset Shoot! My 512 test cases are still running!
15:11 Morthland I will set up the alias. It seems to make the most sense.
15:08 * jcamins would go with setting up an alias, though.
15:08 jcamins You could find about that in the cron documentation.
15:08 jcamins Though- you might be able to change which e-mail messages are going to by editing the crontab.
15:08 Morthland Fantastic. Thank you.
15:07 jcamins Yes.
15:07 jcamins Morthland: you can probably find instructions for that in the documentation for your MTA of choice.
15:07 Morthland In postfix?
15:07 jcamins Morthland: you'll probably need to set up a mail aliases file.
15:07 Morthland How can I change that to send to library@morthland.org
15:07 jcamins You should just use the regular search.
15:07 Morthland I got an email from the cron daemon, sent to root@morthland.org.
15:06 jcamins The Cataloging module search always brings you to the MARC view.
15:06 jcamins Yeah, that's why.
15:06 jcamins I'm checking now.
15:04 jcamins It may be that the Cataloging module always brings you to the MARC view, now that I think about it, because the only reason you would *be* in cataloging module is to work with MARC.
15:04 jcamins Shane-S: is there a reason, though, why you are using the cataloging module search?
15:00 jcamins Shane-S: just run "sudo service memcached restart" from the command line.
14:57 Shane-S jcamins: where can I check on memcached? I don't remember checking that during install as it had a not about issues if I recall
14:54 Shane-S2 jcamins: http://screencast.com/t/nwLswuFyrk I am pretty sure I did it right
14:49 jcamins If so, restart it.
14:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
14:48 jcamins Shane-S: are you running memcached?
14:48 mtompset I just realized that depends on bug 8485
14:48 jcamins mtompset: yes, I believe so.
14:48 mtompset Did I send you the yum version of the check_deps.sh script, jcamins?
14:48 Shane-S changed both, then set both back to simple...I will go to my screen cast system and record it. That will also give me a new session to test too
14:45 jcamins Could be the two sysprefs are reversed.
14:45 jcamins It's on the OPAC tab.
14:45 jcamins Shane-S: try changing BiblioDefaultView as well.
14:44 Shane-S ill move systems soon and screencast it if need be
14:44 wahanui hmmm... staff client is for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons
14:44 Shane-S staff client
14:42 jcamins Also set BiblioDefaultView to "in simple form."
14:41 jcamins I understood the problem to be with the staff client.
14:41 jcamins Shane-S: wait, are you having this problem in the staff client or the OPAC?
14:41 Shane-S I will check the setting saved (though the black confirmation and log notification bar came up it was saved both times)
14:41 Shane-S I edited a barcode, then did a new catalog search, clicked the title, still MARC
14:40 jcamins You do need to refresh the results page, though.
14:40 jcamins No.
14:39 Shane-S hmm...think I need to clear my session to see that change?
14:38 kf oh good hint
14:38 jcamins Try to set it to something else then set it back.
14:38 jcamins IntranetBiblioDefaultView
14:37 Shane-S nope...looking now
14:36 kf have you checked if there aredifferent prefs for opac and staff?
14:35 Shane-S little confused its says on cataloging show records on [normal view] in the drop down already, but it opens in MARC
14:31 Shane-S I think jcamins said it yesterday.. something like perfect gets in the way of good
14:30 kf meh.
14:30 kf http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd520.html
14:30 Shane-S now I am fixing barcodes...has I know the padded 00 was missing from one label, I would have removed T00 not just the T....
14:29 kf jcamins: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl;h=b6db8b4edb7787aba2b8cdb8b3e581ada58d2811;hb=255e1910eeca67bfa673093dee8168bafe8a6002#l684
14:29 wizzyrea (srsly, that's great. :))
14:29 * wizzyrea highfives Shane-S
14:29 wizzyrea YAY!!!
14:29 Shane-S jcamins: okay will check thanks!
14:29 Shane-S wizzyrea: you were right btw, labeling is working, I needed users :)
14:29 jcamins Shane-S: yes. In the sysprefs there's a "Default[something]View" syspref.
14:29 kf hm yes
14:28 Shane-S when I click a book in the admin cataloging it takes me to the MARC tab, can I change it to default to normal?
14:27 kf I am checking matser now
14:27 jcamins 520 should have the label "Summary"
14:27 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
14:27 huginn mtompset: A subject added entry in which the entry element is a personal name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,x,y,z,2,3,4,6,8]
14:27 mtompset @marc 600
14:27 mtompset kf said 6xx fields.
14:27 kf or suggest a term so I can?
14:26 kf jcamins: will you write a patch? :P
14:26 jcamins ^^ see, not "subject."
14:26 huginn jcamins: Unformatted information that describes the scope and general contents of the materials. This could be a summary, abstract, annotation, review, or only a phrase describing the material. (Repeatable) [a,b,u,3,6,8]
14:26 jcamins @marc 520
14:26 kf yeah, that's my best hope
14:26 drojf kf: then we have to find and use the most differentiated language as the base for all translations
14:26 mtompset Perhaps the English can change to accomodate the three nuances?
14:25 kf subject of a mail, subject in library speak (6xx fields) and a topic
14:24 mtompset What are the differences in nuance?
14:24 kf subject = Betreff, Thema, Schlagwort
14:24 kf and you don't want to translate them every time a word occurs
14:24 mtompset oh, that's even more frustrating.
14:24 kf drojf: it's subject
14:23 kf and in this case, both are on the same template... *sigh*
14:23 drojf that sounds stupid
14:23 kf well 2 times max, once for opac and once for staff
14:23 kf and each string is only translated once
14:23 kf the way our po files owrk, you can only do 1 translation for each string
14:23 kf mtompset: the problem is more difficult
14:22 mtompset Well, I'm sure you could mention this problem to whoever controls the po strings. They could add the other two cases, even if they are the same in other languages, right?
14:21 kf thx needed
14:21 * mtompset hands kf some cookies.
14:21 kf but we can only make one translation...
14:21 kf subject can have 3 differnt meanings in German
14:21 * kf mutters
14:19 mtompset You know you have done too much bash scripting when your perl scripts mess up because == is numeric in perl, but a string in bash.
14:13 mtompset external connectors... *cringes*
14:09 jcamins drojf: no, it sure doesn't.
14:08 drojf jcamins: apparently he uses php to get data from external sources and displays that in koha. does not sound like the best idea to me
14:04 mbalmer oleanard, still not able to run the installer for real
14:03 mtompset Found an answer: add a space at the front of the line.
14:03 oleonard mbalmer: How is your work on making Koha db-agnostic coming along?
14:02 mbalmer btw, I found a quite unbiased comparison between mysql and pgsql, in case anyone is interested in it: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL
13:58 mtompset How do you force a line break in the perlpod? I don't want my example calls to all be blurred into a run on line when the help is displayed.
13:57 * oleonard pictures rangi handing out Professor Umbridge-style punishments for not writing tests: "I will write tests, I will write tests..."
13:56 mtompset How do you force a line break in the perlpod stuff?
13:55 mtompset It's just writing out 512 test cases by hand would be torture.
13:54 mtompset No, I don't recurse that far back.
13:54 jeff mtompset: if you have to write a script to write the script for testing, does your test-writing script have tests? :-)
13:54 jcamins Nifty.
13:54 jcamins Ah.
13:53 drojf jcamins: http://mydk-tomic.net/
13:52 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:51 * wizzyrea waves
13:50 jcamins magnuse: do you know who that is? I'd be interested in asking the developer to consider releasing their code, since Koha is open source.
13:49 * kf is confused now
13:48 magnuse jcamins: someone called YvesTomic, by the looks of it?
13:47 jcamins kf: I know what pubmed and springer are, I was just wondering who was doing the work.
13:43 mtompset Oops... bug 8478
13:43 drojf i was slightly confused. first i thought it was just the wrong window, but my german conversation in the next window is not about koha :D
13:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8487 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, C4::Installer::PerlDependencies needs Test::Strict hash corrected
13:43 mtompset Other than that... go ahead with whatever you want for bug 8487.
13:43 wahanui kf: I forgot thing
13:43 kf forget thing...
13:42 drojf :D
13:42 kf but didn't get you were writing german
13:42 mtompset It took a while to right the script to write the script to do the testing.
13:42 wahanui it has been said that thing is in ephazz's current system, holdings information is held in field 852a - Lcation, 852k - Call number prefix e.g. HF, 852h - Classification part e.g. 5415, 852i - Item part e.g. SMI. Now i want to map do i do these to koha what
13:42 kf thing...
13:42 kf drojf: lol - the think is I thought it sounded weird
13:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
13:42 mtompset bug 8485?
13:41 mtompset The modified version of koha_perl_deps.pl -- I'm working on that.
13:41 mtompset Just that I noticed you didn't RM ubuntu_maverick.packages in your patch.
13:41 drojf connecteurs sounds more like a link, not "real" integration
13:40 drojf too many languages
13:40 drojf lol
13:40 drojf "connecteurs" klingt für mich mal nicht so richtig nach integration, eher nach link
13:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Update Ubuntu related files
13:40 tcohen mtompset, what's the situation of bug 8478?
13:38 kf hm perhaps ebook packages?
13:36 * jcamins wonders who is integrating Spring and Pubmed into Koha, and how.
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13:28 mtompset You know your testing is crazy thorough when you have to write a script to write the script for testing. :)
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12:58 kf hm give me a few minutes and I can try to find out where I saw it :)
12:57 kf subpermissions soudns fine to me
12:57 oleonard The only reason that bug fix worked is because there are sub-permissions (what do we call those?)
12:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8161 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
12:56 oleonard Have you? I tried to figure that out for Bug 8161 and never got it working
12:56 kf I think... hm. at least we are already doing it somewhere.
12:56 kf in acq somewhere
12:56 kf I have seen that
12:56 kf I think you can do an ||
12:56 kf ah
12:56 oleonard On the other hand, I don't know of a way of saying "This page is accessible to people with either X or Y permission"
12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3886 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Can't print receipt w/out allowing "Add or modify borrowers" permission
12:55 oleonard I was just looking at Bug 3886 and noticing how silly it is that some print views have circ permission and some have borrowers permission
12:54 jcamins oleonard: yup. That's why I agree with you. :)
12:54 oleonard jcamins: So if we had the separate fines permission you could have it either way
12:54 kf so that might be ok if we had a view patrons
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12:53 kf I think you get a summary on the patron record
12:53 jcamins Ah, no, we need a permission so you can edit patron records but not handle money.
12:53 kf I am not sure
12:53 * oleonard doesn't know if that matches anyone's reality
12:53 oleonard So you could pay fines but not edit patron records?
12:53 kf I think maybe having a perm for waiving fines would be nice
12:53 kf so you can see fines but not pay?
12:53 jcamins +1
12:53 kf hm
12:52 oleonard And maybe another one just for handling fine payments?
12:52 kf for students working the late night shifts and such
12:52 kf it would be nice
12:51 oleonard Hmm... we really need a new permission "View borrower information" as one step down from "Add or modify borrowers"
12:43 jcamins You're right. Not finding them in lwc.
12:41 jcamins s/e$//
12:41 jcamins Don't they? I thought CALYX supported a couple.e
12:40 oleonard They don't seem to be in lib-web-cats
12:39 jcamins oleonard: CALYX supports two libraries in the US.
12:38 oleonard Unless someone has an example to the contrary?
12:38 tcohen hi #koha
12:38 oleonard I find it interesting that a Lithuanian library would be comfortable choosing a US-based support company when US-based libraries would probably not be willing to do the reverse
12:37 jcamins mtompset: possibly. However, it *is* interesting.
12:37 mtompset I think oleonard was trying to confuse log readers by stating that.
12:36 jcamins Huh.
12:35 oleonard (a non-sequitur for the log)
12:35 oleonard In Lithuania. Interesting.
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12:10 jcamins rangi++ # good blog post
12:07 jwagner hi mtompset
12:07 mtompset YES! I have a shell script skeleton which I can modify to prove my koha_perl_deps.pl changes. :)
12:03 jcamins Good morning.
12:01 NateC Hi mtompset!
12:01 mtompset Greetings, oleonard jwagner jcamins and NateC
11:45 oleonard Hi #koha
11:27 eythian enhance your calm, citizen.
11:16 drojf i am calm ;)
11:13 * mtompset tries to calm drojf
11:08 drojf scumbag delivery company. asks to reschedule delivery if i am not at home, does not tell me when the delivery is supposed to be.
10:56 * mtompset goes back to working on shell script to prove that his koha_perl_deps.pl changes are okay.
10:55 mtompset It's an enhancement, so it's low priority.
10:55 mtompset I think one of those is mine... I haven't gotten back to it yet.
10:47 * dcook_away pretends that he didn't say anything and actually goes away this time
10:47 dcook_away What are the date ranges for those :p
10:45 drojf sounds like we write a lot of bad code :P
10:45 drojf Failed QA - 91
10:45 drojf Passed QA - 7
10:45 drojf Bug statuses
10:42 mtompset and salutations to you too, Oak
10:41 magnuse Oak
10:41 Oak greetings mtompset :)
10:41 mtompset Greetings, Oak
10:41 mtompset I feel so out of it. I don't feel right saying kia ora. :P
10:41 Oak hello rangi :)
10:41 Oak magnuse
10:41 Oak kf
10:40 Oak kia ora #koha.
10:40 mtompset Ubuntu doesn't have them.
10:40 mtompset I know they aren't required, but if I wanted to load them... I couldn't.
10:40 mtompset BTW, Datapaginator or whatever those two libraries are...
10:39 eythian øarsome
10:38 mtompset the check_deps.sh script works wonderfully as a result.
10:38 mtompset Thanks for the apt-file Contents.
10:38 mtompset Greetings, eythian
10:37 eythian hello
10:35 magnuse kia ora eythian
10:32 mtompset How would I write tests for koha_perl_deps.pl? Just a shell script? Or is there a .t way?
09:45 mtompset I'm patching it up to have a -b and -r. :)
09:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly
09:45 mtompset bug 8485
09:40 dcook_away Yep. I have to do my taxes before I leave Australia.
09:39 dcook_away I'll have to pick the brains of my colleagues...
09:39 dcook_away Unfortunately, scheduling conflicts didn't allow for me to take it :(
09:39 drojf cool
09:39 dcook_away It looked at librarianship in war zones, third-world countries, etc.
09:39 dcook_away A few months ago, I was going to do a class on international librarianship
09:39 mtompset land of tax?
09:39 dcook_away Agreed
09:39 drojf :D
09:39 drojf see
09:38 wahanui it has been said that everybody is so enthusiastic today :)
09:38 drojf everybody!
09:38 mtompset Who needs library services in the middle of nowhere?
09:38 mtompset solar koha box?
09:38 drojf i guess i need a wind- and rain-option to use it in germany soon
09:36 drojf well, the battery and maybe sunshine would also be nice :D
09:35 * dcook_away agrees from the land of tax
09:35 kf no battery but I like the idea :)
09:35 kf !
09:34 drojf someone got a spare 6v sealed lead acid battery? i think i ordered everything else i need for a self sustaining solar koha in a box
09:32 mtompset hindsight is 20/20. Oh well.
09:30 drojf also there are probably a million emails of her in the main ml
09:28 rangi and a koha-docs git repository, you can even send a patch
09:28 mtompset DOH! That would have been better.
09:27 rangi theres a koha-docs mailing list
09:27 mtompset because I don't have an email.
09:27 drojf i don't even know what that is, but why not just send an email instead of searching her in fb?
09:26 mtompset Is it wrong to want appendix G updated?
09:24 drojf that sounds… stalky
09:24 mtompset Oh well... I found nengard's facebook page.
09:19 asaurat oh yes you did it earlier, didn't see
09:18 drojf later tell works
09:18 drojf yes it is
09:18 drojf @tell drojf hello
09:18 asaurat that's not the other way around ? later tell ?
09:18 huginn drojf: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
09:18 drojf @tell later drojf bla
09:17 drojf hm
09:17 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
09:17 drojf @later tell drojf blub
08:59 mtompset Thanks, rangi.
08:58 rangi it is @tell later
08:58 huginn rangi: Error: There is no command "tell later".
08:58 rangi @help tell later
08:58 huginn rangi: Error: There is no command "later".
08:58 rangi @help later
08:58 huginn rangi: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
08:58 rangi @help tell
08:56 mtompset What's the syntax of @later or is it @tell?
08:55 mtompset Hmm... I think appendix G in the manuals need updating. :)
08:51 mtompset The 'which install to use' is a quote of jcamins_away.
08:51 mtompset It was a group effort, magnuse, but thank you. :)
08:50 magnuse mtompset++
08:37 mtompset There, I think we've got that covered well. :)
08:37 wahanui If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball.
08:37 mtompset which install to use?
08:36 wahanui git is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
08:36 mtompset git?
08:35 mtompset It should be redirecting to wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze ... The cascading redirect doesn't seem to work.
08:33 mtompset That's sort of correct.
08:33 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
08:33 mtompset packages?
08:33 wahanui The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
08:33 rangi tarball?
08:33 rangi tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
08:32 mtompset AH!
08:32 rangi also no wahanui
08:32 rangi take the -- out
08:32 mtompset tarball?
08:32 mtompset tarball
08:32 mtompset wahanui tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
08:32 wahanui mtompset: I forgot tarball
08:32 mtompset wahanui forget tarball
08:31 wahanui :)
08:31 drojf wahanui botsnack beer
08:31 drojf good bot
08:31 drojf :)
08:31 wahanui can i have more beer please?
08:31 drojf tarball?
08:31 drojf tarball is <reply> can i have more beer please?
08:31 mtompset I think wahanui doesn't like me.
08:30 mtompset tarball
08:30 mtompset tarball?
08:30 mtompset tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
08:30 drojf it's easier to remember too
08:30 wahanui mtompset: I forgot tarball
08:30 mtompset forget tarball
08:30 drojf he likes something more
08:30 wahanui something
08:30 mtompset tarball?
08:30 mtompset tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
08:30 drojf heh
08:30 kf rangi will give him irn bru next... I see it coming
08:29 rangi drojf++
08:29 drojf i make him happy, as you can see ;)
08:29 kf making him drunk will not help the problem! .)
08:29 wahanui :)
08:29 drojf wahanui botsnack beer
08:28 drojf the poor bot is probably just tired
08:27 kf now you can teach him
08:27 kf there you go
08:27 kf ah
08:27 wahanui something
08:27 kf tarball?
08:27 kf tarball is <reply> something
08:26 drojf good day #koha
08:26 drojf ha! http://www.blazingmoon.org/news/2008/12/installing-koha-3-on-ubuntu-810-a-tutorial/
08:18 mtompset bad wahanui. :P
08:18 mtompset tarball?
08:18 mtompset tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
08:05 kf even if he doesn't eat cookies
08:05 kf Ilike tweetbot
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07:33 mveron Koha never sleeps :-)
07:32 mtompset Good afternoon, mveron. :)
07:32 mveron Good morning #koha
07:31 mtompset But I can't for the life of me find it in the irc logs.
07:31 mtompset I'm positive wizzyrea, I, and some others had a discussion about minimum memory requirements.
07:26 mtompset what a weird disconnect.
07:25 kf heh
07:23 rangi worst holiday job ever
07:23 rangi (moving sheep and the like)
07:23 rangi when we were supposed to be doing chores
07:23 rangi my uncle used to yell that out at 5am
07:21 rangi worth a try :)
07:21 kf rangi: sorry, but we are going to stay
07:21 kf lol
07:20 rangi Raus!
07:16 kf :)
07:15 asaurat gut, und viel zu tun auch :D
07:14 kf gut, viel zu tun - und dir?
07:13 asaurat wie geht es dir, kf? :)
07:13 asaurat 'morgen!!
07:13 paul_p guten morgen kf
07:12 kf :)
07:12 kf guten morgen asaurat
07:10 kf bonjour paul_p
07:08 kf hi gaetan_B :)
07:08 gaetan_B good morning !
07:08 kf good morning #koha
06:55 mtompset Memory requirements will vary based on the size of the catalog, circulations, and other factors.
06:54 magnuse hiya mtompset
06:53 mtompset Greetings, magnuse and julian_m
06:52 * magnuse waves
06:52 julian_m hello
06:51 mtompset If it can run a debian-based OS Server Version, that's a good start.
06:51 mtompset As for hardware requirements... there are none expressly.
06:50 mtompset Minimal, I believe.
06:50 mtompset http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
06:42 mtj optimal? a beowulf cluster
06:40 schnydszch good afternoon koha users
06:40 schnydszch somebody asked me that question
06:39 schnydszch what is the optimal requirements for koha?
06:16 francharb Good morninb cait, mtompset !
06:15 mtompset Bonjour, francharb
06:15 cait hi francharb
06:15 mtompset I hope the mailing list doesn't get spammed as a result. :)
06:14 wahanui hi, francharb
06:14 francharb hi
06:02 wahanui mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
06:02 mtompset mailing list?
06:01 cait mtt: I would still recommend the mailing list :)
05:54 cait ah
05:54 mtompset Good customer support.
05:53 mtt i was going through the offline module, anyone aware of creating a .db file for the borrowers?
05:53 cait hm?
05:53 mtompset kf++
05:53 mtompset cait++
05:52 mtt hi there,
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05:24 Guest1334 thats a great idea, thanks for your assistance
05:24 cait not a lot of people are here this time of the day
05:24 cait maybe try mailing the mailing list with your question
05:23 cait ah :( the firefox plugin will not work with that
05:23 Guest1334 am using 3.4 currently
05:23 cait which version of koha are you using?
05:22 cait the second has more information
05:22 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/offlinecirc.html
05:22 cait it doesn't need any preparation
05:22 cait but I think I woudl tend to use the firefox plugin for when the network goes down
05:22 cait http://manual.koha-community.org/3.2/en/offlinecirc.html
05:22 cait our libraries are not using offline circ atm
05:20 Guest1334 so how do you handle it yourself?
05:20 cait sorry, I am not sure how to create a db for this
05:20 cait http://kylehall.info/index.php/projects/koha/koha-offline-circulation/
05:20 cait the firefox plugin just works, you don't need a db, but it can't do as much
05:19 Guest1334 are they different in requirements?
05:19 Guest1334 am using the separate software.
05:18 cait are you using the firefox plugin or the separate software?
05:18 Guest1334 hi there,I wanted to create .db for my koha offline module, how can i go about it?
05:06 mtompset dcook_away: tell me when you are back. I'm working in another screen. :)
05:05 rangi yeah, not wanting to learn at the moment
05:05 mtompset Oops..
05:05 mtompset i
05:05 rangi tarball?
05:04 cait mtompset: sorry, not sure what's with him
05:04 cait ?
05:04 wahanui cait: sorry...
05:04 cait wahanui: tarball
05:04 cait tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
05:04 cait tarball?
05:04 cait the tarball?
05:04 mtompset the tarball?
05:04 mtompset tarball?
05:04 mtompset wahanui the tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
05:03 mtompset tarball?
05:03 mtompset wahanui: tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
05:03 mtompset tarball?
05:03 mtompset tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages.
05:02 wahanui mtompset: I forgot tarball
05:02 mtompset forget tarball
05:01 wahanui i heard tarball was uploaded just will do announce this evening, you just reminded me :-)
05:01 mtompset tarball?
05:00 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
05:00 mtompset git?
04:39 mtompset tarball
04:39 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
04:39 mtompset packages
04:39 mtompset git
04:38 * mtompset smirks, "Yes, poor bot."
04:34 cait poor bot
04:33 wahanui cait: sorry...
04:33 cait wahanui: optimistic :)
04:32 * mtompset nods.
04:32 wahanui discussion is always constructive :)
04:32 rangi discussion
04:31 mtompset What does korerorero mean?
04:31 mtompset It becomes so tedious.
04:31 mtompset I always take like a whole day to write documentation, because I keep running over mine to see if I made tiny mistakes.
04:30 mtompset Like the last part becoming its own sentence.
04:29 mtompset The next sentence needs a bit of clean up too, I think.
04:29 rangi changed
04:27 rangi ah yes
04:27 mtompset And the "But seriously, if we invest time in writing tests, forcing us to learn the behaviour of the current implementation [comma here?] we can then make sure our refactor/rewrite still passes these tests. "
04:26 mtompset In short, http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/ is good.
04:26 rangi changing the others now
04:25 rangi yep that should be xt
04:25 mtompset Or an exclamation point.
04:24 ibeardsl1e and probably a "," after the "Oh" ?
04:24 mtompset and “Oh I wrote a unit test for that†is missing a period.
04:23 mtompset Oh, and "Have you run the xt/tt_valid.t on that?" -- is that supposed to be xt?
04:23 mtompset rangi: The only things I was wondering about were some commas like "Yes, you should rewrite it, NO! Not like that!" -- should that be a comma before the 'NO!'?
04:19 mtompset YAY! There's the mailing list page.
04:16 rangi sites back
04:12 cait hi rangi
04:11 rangi hi cait
04:09 cait hi mtompset
04:09 mtompset Greetings, cait.
04:05 dcook Thanks again for your help before, rangi :)
04:04 dcook Sure.
04:03 mtompset After lunch then.
04:03 mtompset Ooo... lunch. good idea.
04:03 dcook At the moment, I'm just about to pop off for lunch
04:03 dcook Hmm, it's probably something that I'd rather look at a bit later
04:02 mtompset This really isn't bugzilla worthy.
04:02 mtompset how would you like to get it?
04:01 dcook I vaguely remember this, yes :P
04:01 mtompset Well, I have a baby version for yum. :)
04:01 dcook I could help with those typos though
04:01 mtompset As you may be aware I was working on check_deps.sh
04:01 dcook I have noticed your love of unit testing, but I admit that I don't know anything about it
04:00 dcook Intriguing
04:00 mtompset Let me see if I can find it. :)
04:00 mtompset Do I have a script for you!
03:59 mtompset I'll critique it later, rangi. :)
03:59 rangi any typoes id be happy to hear about
03:59 dcook To the best of my knowledge, mtompset
03:58 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/31/yes-you-should-rewrite-it-no-not-like-that/
03:58 mtompset Oh, dcook ... you're running on RPM-based machines, right?
03:58 dcook Thanks, mtompset
03:58 mtompset For being an active contributor. :)
03:57 mtompset dcook++
03:57 rangi probably making bad jokes
03:57 dcook Slowly but surely ;)
03:57 huginn dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
03:57 dcook @karma dcook
03:57 rangi heh
03:57 * mtompset blames drojf for the -1. :P
03:57 dcook d
03:57 dcook Relatively speaking, I think rangi's ratio is rather unparallele
03:56 huginn mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 17 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 16.
03:56 mtompset @karma mtompset
03:56 mtompset What did you do wrong, rangi? ;)
03:56 huginn mtompset: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 626 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 621.
03:56 mtompset @karma rangi
03:55 rangi :)
03:52 dcook rangi++
03:38 * dcook trots off to investigate
03:38 dcook But when we did a lookup, there wasn't anything about the 3.2 installs. I wonder if we were looking at a different namespace.
03:38 dcook I figured that it had to be caching in the memcached servers...
03:37 dcook When I do finally get over to Wellington, I believe that I owe you quite a few drinks ;)
03:37 dcook Perfect. Thank you once again, Chris
03:37 dcook Yep, and there it is
03:36 rangi <memcached_servers>__MEMCACHED_SERVERS__</memcached_servers> <memcached_namespace>__MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE__</memcached_namespace>
03:36 rangi should be near the bottom in a <memcached> bit
03:36 rangi yeah
03:35 dcook The conf files would be different though, so I'm thinking that might be where it is
03:35 dcook I'm running two different ones, and they have different results, but I'm quite sure they have the same code...
03:35 dcook 3.02.02.000
03:34 rangi what version is it dcook ?
03:34 rangi im just checking out a 3.2.x
03:34 dcook In terms of the conf file, which one might that be?
03:34 rangi else its something else we have to maintain
03:34 dcook Make sense
03:34 rangi so linking to a page about memcached would be better imho
03:34 rangi theres nothing special to do with koha in setting it up
03:33 rangi its pretty much outside the scope of Koha
03:33 mtompset Is there any documentation on the wiki that explains how to set up a memcache server?
03:33 rangi if memcached is switched on in the conf file that is
03:33 dcook But when I look at my test case, it has the same code, but it doesn't seem to be cached
03:32 dcook Hmm
03:32 rangi right, so yep it is being cached
03:32 dcook line 138, it seems
03:31 rangi round line 107
03:31 rangi memoize_memcached( 'GetMarcStructure'
03:31 rangi does it have
03:30 rangi look at C4/Biblio.pm
03:30 dcook How might that be? I'd love to check
03:30 rangi right, it might be that it is being cached but not cleared in 3.2 .. easy way to tell
03:29 dcook Well, we have memcached running for our 3.8 installs
03:28 rangi but for giggles, just make sure you dont have memcached running
03:28 dcook In retrospect, one of my test cases already proved that, lol
03:28 dcook Hmm, that's what I thought. Thanks, rangi
03:28 rangi nope dcook
03:28 mtompset [off] to the irc logs that is. :)
03:27 mtompset [off] this tag prevents what you say from being logged.
03:27 dcook But back to my question...there really shouldn't be any reason why that data is being cached, right?
03:26 dcook So long as I can vote and have health care, I'm pretty happy
03:26 mtompset We are borg, you will be assimilated. :)
03:26 dcook Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have written that...
03:26 * dcook is a fan of decentralization
03:26 dcook Mmm, makes sense
03:26 dcook :)
03:26 rangi its 10.30pm in kansas, so probably will be out for a few hours if it does need hands on stuff
03:25 rangi so we occassionally lose bits but never all of it, the koha.org debacle showed how important spreading things around are, and the dns is controlled by a charitable trust ... we learn from our history :)
03:23 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration
03:23 rangi we have done a pretty good job of spreading stuff around
03:23 dcook Mmm, sorry, I meant the info about it. Rather than the site
03:22 dcook By chance, does anyone know if the marc subfield structure data is cached in older versions of Koha such as 3.2?
03:22 rangi they arent hosted in the same place
03:22 dcook Darn, I was half hoping to get it going..
03:22 dcook True
03:22 wahanui Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:21 dcook Interesting
03:21 dcook Google search brings it all up pretty quickly
03:21 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
03:21 mtompset mailing lists?
03:21 rangi (i cant ping it)
03:21 rangi NEKLS is North East Kansas Library Service
03:21 dcook Ahh
03:21 wahanui rangi: I forgot nekls
03:21 rangi wahanui: forget NEKLS
03:21 wahanui NEKLS is using those
03:21 rangi NEKLS?
03:21 rangi NEKLS look after it, but its in the cloud
03:20 rangi its hosted in aws
03:20 dcook Amazon?
03:19 rangi probably amazon again
03:18 mtompset :)
03:18 mtompset I hate arriving in the middle of a conversation.
03:15 dcook I was just about to ask the same thing ;)
03:15 dcook Looks like, Judit
03:14 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:13 Judit http://koha-community.org/ is down?
03:13 Judit hi
02:56 jenkins_koha m.de.rooy: 7368 Adjustments for Perl dependencies
02:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #115: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/115/
01:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #115 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
00:49 rangi back
00:49 * chris_n wanders off to re-join xp clients to the new domain....
00:47 chris_n but the *nix acls were another story altogether :-P
00:47 chris_n fixing the standard *nix perms was not bad with 'find'
00:47 jcamins Ouch.
00:47 chris_n the crash left the file server directory structure orphaned from a perms standpoint
00:46 chris_n but rebuilding user accounts, groups, etc from scratch is for the birds
00:46 jcamins Ah.
00:46 jcamins Quantal?
00:45 chris_n the samba build on precision is buggy
00:45 chris_n I replaced it with ubuntu quantal + samba 3.6.6
00:44 jcamins \o/
00:44 chris_n I took advantage of the disaster to get rid of the last w2k server on site
00:44 chris_n no, but its been a long last week
00:43 jcamins Long night ahead of you?
00:42 * chris_n hates getting spanked by hdd failures
00:42 * chris_n will now right 100x's on the chalkboard: I will add my AAA server configuration to my nightly backup job.
00:41 chris_n hehe
00:41 jcamins :)
00:41 jcamins Yes.
00:41 chris_n that's what the code would say?
00:41 chris_n oh
00:40 * chris_n holds on
00:40 jcamins "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" ?
00:40 chris_n jcamins: most of the labels/pcard stuff is copyrighted by FBC and it does have some barcode foo in it
00:40 jcamins Heh.
00:40 * chris_n wonders what the code base would say if it could talk
00:39 chris_n what you see there at present is a total rewrite of the old code by atz (joe atzberger) moving it to more OO style
00:38 chris_n ;-)
00:38 chris_n and I have touched it.... a very long time ago, and in galaxy far, far away
00:37 chris_n this generates barcode numbers for the barcode plugin
00:37 chris_n ahh
00:37 jcamins Clearly I need to keep notes, though.
00:37 jcamins I came across *something* relating to barcodes that was copyright FBC, and I couldn't figure out what it was for.
00:37 chris_n lemme look some more though
00:37 jcamins Yeah.
00:36 chris_n try the infamous LibLime
00:36 chris_n hmm
00:36 jcamins Maybe it's barcode.pl that was copyright FBC.
00:36 jcamins Ah, no, maybe not.
00:35 jcamins I think...
00:35 * chris_n goes off to look
00:35 chris_n ich!
00:35 jcamins Really? It's copyright FBC.
00:35 chris_n never used it that I recall
00:35 * chris_n has no idea
00:35 jcamins What is it for?
00:35 jcamins C4::Barcodes.
00:34 jcamins chris_n: I had a question for you.
00:34 * chris_n looks in