Time  Nick       Message
05:32 Oak        Ahoy me hearties
07:21 Oak        hello #koha
07:22 cait       hi Oak :)
07:23 Oak        hello cait :)
07:23 cait       don't want me to ask the question still? ;)
07:23 Oak        nope. don't ask it for two more days. you can start asking after Monday :)
07:24 cait       ok
07:24 cait       :)
07:24 Oak        need to make a proposal for migrating a library from Inmagic to Koha and submit it on Monday.
07:26 Oak        any idea how long will it take to convert the Inmagic database (exported in the form of a 5MB ASCII text file) to MARC batch file?
07:26 Oak        i asked Ruth and she said okay she will help me, but forgot to ask her how long this particular step will take...
07:27 Oak        and I need to mention estimate time for each task in the proposal
07:27 cait       hm
07:27 cait       she may be around a little bit late, I have never done it
07:27 Oak        would you like to have a look at the file?
07:27 cait       we don't have inmagic around here
07:27 Oak        ah
07:27 cait       and she might have done it before
07:27 Oak        okay
07:28 cait       so my estimate would not be very helpful I think
07:28 Oak        hmm. it has ~23000 records in it
07:29 Oak        well. now i need to start making that proposal :-|
07:29 Oak        seems like a big task...
07:30 Oak        by the way, which one would be better 3.6.7 or 3.8.3 ?
07:31 cait       hm
07:31 cait       that's difficult
07:32 Oak        the one with less issues -- surprises.
07:32 cait       3.6.7 maybe
07:32 cait       but it depends on your timeframe perhaps
07:32 Oak        how on timeframe?
07:32 cait       3.8.x continues to get better
07:32 Oak        and 3.6.x?
07:32 wahanui    3.6.x is pretty stable and has a lot of nice features and bug fixes
07:32 cait       too :)
07:33 cait       it' sreally difficult
07:33 cait       i am not sure what good advice woul be
07:33 Oak        which one would you pick for a new library?
07:33 Oak        i mean personally you yourself....
07:33 cait       we are wondering about it ourselves right now
07:33 Oak        :)
07:34 cait       we will probably go with 3.6.x... but it's not finally decided yet
07:34 Oak        hmm
07:35 Oak        what are those emails in mailing lists about searching issues in 3.8.x?
07:35 cait       hm which do you mean?
07:35 * Oak      goes to check them
07:35 cait       I am not aware of search issues, I think there were some calendar and fines related problems because of introduction of hourly loans
07:36 Oak        are they fixed in 3.8.3?
07:37 cait       i think probably 3.8.4
07:37 Oak        hmm
07:39 Oak        okay i checked there are no 3.8.x specific search issues... rather just some zebra issues... so never mind.
07:40 cait       rangi pushed some patches for it after 3.8.3 was released
07:40 cait       yeah, i think what we see with every release :)
07:40 cait       but it works, if you know how to tame it
07:40 Oak        :) yup
07:41 Oak        the installation i did using 3.6.4 for my project is working fine... no zebra issues... and it's just a normal Debian package install.
07:43 Oak        *sigh* the proposal... :(
07:51 Oak        cait
07:51 cait       hm?
07:51 Oak        have you ever heard someone running Koha on Oracle database instead of MySQL?
07:51 cait       it's not possible right now
07:51 cait       there is still mysql specific code in Koha
07:52 Oak        good.
07:53 Oak        that means i won't have to *make* it work with Oracle... as the IT people of the library mentioned they would prefer if Koha could use their Oracle server instead of MySQL
07:53 cait       i wouldn't recommnd trying to do that
07:53 Oak        god. understood.
07:53 Oak        good*
07:54 Oak        how is the nephew?
07:55 cait       which one? :)
07:55 cait       I think both are doing fine
07:55 Oak        :)
07:55 Oak        the latest one
07:58 Oak        what are you doing right now cait?
08:00 cait       hm watching olympics and eating breakfast :)
08:00 Oak        :)
11:26 mtompset   Greetings, #koha.
11:59 Oak        cait
12:28 jcamins    Good morning.
12:42 mtompset   Greetings, jcamins
12:42 mtompset   Fedora did not want to boot nicely on my netbook's VM.
12:43 mtompset   I'm calling it quits on my RPM-based OS attempts.
12:43 jcamins    Well, you *are* using a netbook. :P
12:43 mtompset   I couldn't afford a really computer.
12:43 mtompset   really good.
12:44 mtompset   This was a Christmas present, and it is doing well enough for everything else.
12:44 jcamins    Yeah, but you have to expect that things will be veeeeeerrrrrrrrryyyyy slow.
12:44 mtompset   Okay... there's is slow, then there are RPM-based OS boot times.
12:45 jcamins    Hehe.
12:45 mtompset   CentOS and Fedora require a coffee break just to boot.
12:45 mtompset   Ubuntu is a couple minutes, but you can see it working.
12:46 mtompset   It doesn't help that Fedora doesn't have a SERVER version, that I could easily find.
12:46 mtompset   Greetings, drojf
12:49 * cait     waves
13:09 mtompset   Greetings, cait
13:09 mtompset   Greetings, Oak
13:09 cait       hi mtompset
13:10 cait       hi Oak
14:04 mib_mn7wye Hello
14:30 francharb  hi
14:34 mtompset   Greetings, francharb
14:35 mtompset   Greetings again, Oak
15:01 francharb  0/ mtate
15:01 francharb  oups
15:01 francharb  0/ mtompset
15:01 francharb  :)
15:02 mtompset   :)
16:57 Oak        greetings mtompset :) i was afk, just saw your message
16:57 Oak        and now it's time to sleep...
16:57 mtompset   not a problem.
16:58 Oak        :)
16:58 mtompset   I am about 10 minutes away from sleep.
16:58 mtompset   I just rsync'd 14GB.
16:58 mtompset   I have to check if it did it correctly.
16:58 Oak        in that case, good night mtompset :)
16:58 Oak        good night #koha
16:58 mtompset   good night, Oak
17:32 mtompset   Well, that's weird du -h listed different numbers, but a du -b lists similar numbers, and the difference is accounted for by an ls -la and the directory size seems different.
17:32 jcamins    block size.
17:32 mtompset   how to check block size?
17:33 jcamins    I don't know. But if the size of the directory entry is different on one system from another, it is probably block size.
17:36 mtompset   the problem seems stranger under VM environment.
17:41 mtompset   anyways... it probably is a block size difference... I'm off to bed now.
17:41 mtompset   Have a good afternoon, jcamins .
17:42 jcamins    Thanks. Night.
19:13 mveron     Hi #koha
19:13 cait       hi mveron
19:13 mveron     hi cait :-)
19:14 mveron     @wunder Basel
19:14 huginn     mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 18.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on July 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
19:16 mveron     cait: I had a nasty little bug with ofline circulation: If patron had fines (over the limit), it showed: Sie haben offene Gebühren in Höhe von und können daher nichts mehr entleihen. (Without the amount)
19:16 cait       oh
19:16 mveron     Bug 8518
19:16 cait       what was it?
19:16 huginn     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8518 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Self checkout does not display debt amount if syspref AllowFineOverride is set to allow
19:16 mveron     3 lines of code missing...
19:17 cait       ah
19:17 mveron     took some time to find out...
19:18 cait       yeah I can imagine
19:18 mveron     ...but now it is ready to sign off...
19:19 * mveron   would rather like to take off - to a place warmet than 18°C
19:19 cait       the temperature is ok for me
19:19 cait       only so sleepy
19:19 cait       I know I have not been testing much lately :(
19:20 mveron     but youdi a lot o other things!
19:20 mveron     (should put my glasses)
19:20 cait       heh
19:21 mveron     Question: Wehre would you put "Kostenstellen" in Acquisition?
19:21 cait       funds
19:22 mveron     Ok, will have a look :-)  I'm not an expert in "Buchhaltung"
19:22 cait       I would use the budgets to mark years, because you can duplicate them and then use the funds to bulid the hiearchical structure
19:22 cait       but funds display is not optimal yet
19:22 cait       it doesn't display the hierarchical order
19:23 mveron     Ah
19:23 cait       so, if possible I would flatten it
19:23 cait       you could also maybe use the statistic values for grouping
19:23 cait       there are 2 for each fund that you can link to an authorized value
19:24 cait       not sure I make sense :)
19:25 mveron     It's late anyway :-)
19:27 * mveron   looks up the translation for "Kostenstelle"
19:27 mveron     Leo translates "Kostenstelle" to "cost centre", "cost unit" and "burden centre"
19:27 cait       hm not sure about that
19:28 cait       I think you can't put it 1:1 into koha structure, because we don't have different terms for the different levels of funds
19:30 cait       what's the normal structure? kostenart - kostenstelle - kostenträger?
19:32 mveron     Don't know yet...
19:43 jcamins    I have built a shelf! :D
19:46 cait       hhmm
19:46 cait       did you put books in it yet?
19:46 jcamins    No, it's for the pantry. :P
19:46 cait       did you put anything in it yet and it's still alive? :
19:46 cait       )
19:46 jcamins    And the glue is stil drying.
19:46 jcamins    No, not quite yet.
19:46 jcamins    *still
19:55 rangi      Morning
19:56 mveron     Hi rangi
19:56 cait       morning
19:59 jcamins    :D
19:59 jcamins    Nicest shelf *ever*!!!!
19:59 jcamins    :D
20:00 cait       lol
20:00 cait       you see it through the eyes of the builder
20:01 jcamins    lol
20:01 rangi      Karam++
20:02 cait       :)
20:02 cait       yep Karam++
20:02 cait       and rangi++
20:03 mveron     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17mWrB9RbY    :-)
20:16 mveron     Good night #koha
20:17 cait       good morning kathryn :)
20:22 kathryn    hello cait how're you going? :)
20:22 cait       I am fine - watching olympics but sleep soon
20:23 cait       hope you have a nice monday :)
20:23 kathryn    thanks! enjoy!
20:28 cait       night #koha
23:35 tweetbot`  [off] twitter: @ranginui: "@ThisCJ yep, the central bank there, and the reserve bank here are the 2 'central' banks i know of using #kohails"