Time Nick Message 23:21 jcamins Good luck. 23:21 jcamins You're welcome. 23:20 martian523 thanks 23:20 martian523 haha 23:20 jcamins ^^ there you go. :) 23:20 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 23:20 jcamins logs? 23:20 jcamins Actually, silly question. 23:20 martian523 yes 23:20 jcamins You're using mibbit? 23:20 martian523 is there a way to save this chat? 23:19 jcamins Work that I'm getting paid to do has to come first. :/ 23:19 jcamins If I ever have a chance, I hope to work on this, but, as I said, don't count on it being any time soon. 23:19 jcamins Good luck. 23:19 martian523 i think this is one step closer 23:18 martian523 i'll see if he understands 23:18 martian523 thanks 23:18 jcamins Those files are self-documenting to the extent that they are documented. 23:18 jcamins I've pretty much finished. 23:18 jcamins ^^ that page is an important one to read. 23:18 martian523 although i have no idea what you're talking about, but keep going, i'm sure he'll understand 23:18 wahanui it has been said that git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 23:18 jcamins git? 23:17 jcamins Oh, and he needs to use git for development. 23:17 jcamins In order to not lose your changes at the first upgrade you do, you'll want to modify those second two, and submit the change back to the community. 23:17 martian523 i'll copy this whole chat so he can read it 23:17 jcamins The first file is generated from the second two. 23:16 martian523 ok 23:16 martian523 wok 23:16 jcamins There are three files that will be involved: etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xsl and etc/zebradb/xsl/koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl 23:16 jcamins I can tell you which files you're going to need to modify, but explaining exactly how it works goes beyond what I can do. 23:15 martian523 well, actually, we have someone hired especially to work on koha 23:15 martian523 talking about budget, that's a no 23:14 jcamins Personally, I would recommend you see if you can find money in the budget to hire someone to do the development. 23:14 martian523 so what should i suggest my IT to do? 23:12 jcamins Which is what open source is about, really: if it doesn't work for you, you can make it work. 23:12 jcamins On the other, it's now possible to implement in Koha in a straightforward way. 23:11 jcamins On the one hand, it'd take a decent amount of time to do. 23:11 jcamins (helpful, huh?) 23:11 jcamins Well... yes and no? 23:10 martian523 so i guess it's pretty difficult 23:10 jcamins (comfortable doing it) 23:10 jcamins Or, if your IT department is comfortable, they can do it themselves. 23:10 jcamins This is where the open source nature of Koha comes in: you can easily hire someone to add this ability to Koha. 23:09 jcamins In this case, they're using Worldcat. 23:09 jcamins Right. Because someone paid for that ILS to have that feature. 23:09 jcamins Those that do mostly only search transliterations anyway. 23:09 jcamins There aren't many Koha libraries using original script. 23:09 martian523 however, they can search both fields, whereas koha cannot 23:08 martian523 as i mentioned earlier this morning, i import marc from fuller, their record has both 245 and 880 23:07 martian523 i don't understand how other libraries do it 23:06 martian523 yes, the newly downloaded marc 23:06 jcamins In fact, the migrated records are not a problem, it's the non-migrated records that are a problem. 23:06 jcamins No, my suggestion to write a script was based on the assumption that the problem was the records you had migrated. 23:05 martian523 i mean, if it requires a script, i can ask the IT person to write it if he understands what i'm saying 23:05 jcamins Basically, you need indexing to handle the 880s. 23:05 jcamins Unfortunately, this greatly curtails your options. 23:04 martian523 ok 23:04 jcamins So, let's say "a lot." 23:04 martian523 plus for the migrated books, we will eventually want to import the correct marc from targets 23:03 jcamins martian523: also, my suggestion to write a script to change the records won't help at all. 23:02 jcamins martian523: how many books do you add in a month? 23:02 martian523 these correct marcs have the correct 245, 240, 260, etc. fields and 880 fields 23:01 jcamins JesseM: I think you might be able to place holds on lost items if you have that set to allow. 23:01 JesseM Thats what I was just going to ask you 23:01 jcamins I am pondering your situation. 23:01 martian523 thanks 23:01 jcamins martian523: yup. 23:01 jcamins JesseM: actually, I was thinking about AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems. 23:01 martian523 do you understand where i'm trying to go? 23:00 martian523 those marc records are actually correct ones compare to our migrated records 23:00 * jcamins tries again. 23:00 jcamins No, not lost. 23:00 martian523 however, for new titles, we're trying to save time and download marc records from targets 22:59 JesseM thx Jared 22:59 jcamins That was supposed to be a period not a question mark. 22:59 jcamins Do a search for it? 22:59 JesseM or is that possible at all 22:59 martian523 we migrated about 20000 titles to koha, half of them are chinese titles, those are ok, 22:59 jcamins JesseM: there's a syspref for that. Something about lost. 22:58 JesseM I have a question. How do we set Koha so staff and patrons can place holds on lost items? 22:58 martian523 well, let me tell you what we have now 22:57 jcamins How many records do you have? 22:57 jcamins Actually, let me back up. 22:57 jcamins So, here are your options: 22:57 jcamins No problem. 22:57 martian523 hahaha so sorry 22:57 jcamins martian523: it did cross my mind, but since you were clearly trying, I tried not to be too short with you. 22:56 martian523 =) 22:56 martian523 sorry, all along you thought i was IT, you must have thought i was a stupid IT person. ) 22:56 martian523 IT team is also new to koha 22:55 jcamins That changes my advice somewhat. 22:55 martian523 trying to help the IT team to solve issues 22:55 martian523 it's actually the other way, i'm the librarian 22:54 * jcamins thought you were the IT person in a library without a librarian. 22:54 * jcamins wasn't aware of that, actually. 22:54 martian523 it would help me if you can give me some advice or a link to a help page 22:54 jcamins Ah. 22:53 martian523 how do you do that? as you can see i'm not an IT person 22:53 jcamins Write a script to do it for you. 22:53 jcamins Don't do it manually. 22:53 jcamins Manually? 22:53 jcamins And some of my clients have records with vernacular scripts, so it's possible one day one of them will be interested in paying for the time it would take me to implement it. 22:52 martian523 instead of replacing 245 fields with 880 fields manually 22:52 jcamins It certainly would. 22:51 martian523 but it would super help for non english titles 22:51 martian523 i see, thank you 22:51 jcamins And unfortunately, when I say "it's easy to do!" I don't actually mean "I could be done in time for dinner." ;) 22:50 jcamins (the problem is one of time... several people would be capable of implementing that feature, but we all need to make sure that we're spending our time on the projects that pay best) 22:50 martian523 ok.... 22:49 jcamins At some point there will be, but not right now. 22:48 martian523 is there a way for koha to search for both 245 fields and 880 fields 22:48 martian523 hi again 22:38 jcamins Yay! 22:38 drojf jcamins++ # that helped 22:34 drojf ah, cool. thanks 22:33 jcamins You need use lib("/home/drojf/kohaclone/installer"); 22:33 jcamins It's a problem with your plackup script. 22:33 jcamins installer 22:32 drojf in master that is 22:32 drojf where is InstallAuth.pm supposed to be? it is not found by plack 22:23 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Koha Newsletter: Volume 3, Issue 7: July 2012 http://t.co/HCceaWz3" 21:54 rangi 200 of them this will take a while 21:52 rangi Greece first as always 21:52 rangi Here comes the countries 21:48 jcamins It's a tasty American thing. 21:48 rangi It's a uniquely American thing 21:48 rangi Could be 21:47 jcamins I thought it was the spicy marinade. 21:47 rangi Hmm isn't the cheese what makes it buffalo? 21:46 jcamins Thoughts? 21:45 * jcamins is trying to decide how critical blue cheese is to buffalo tofu. 21:44 rangi It's been pretty fun watch 21:44 jcamins Heh. 21:44 rangi James bond was there earlier too 21:43 rangi Yep he was playing keyboard for chariots of fire 21:42 jcamins_away Mr. Bean? 21:42 rangi Did u see Mr bean? 21:11 wizzyrea awesome. 21:11 wizzyrea haha tim berners-lee was just in the olympic opening ceremonies 21:01 cait night #koha :) 20:43 wizzyrea :D 20:37 gmc_in_exile gmcharlt: at last, you're back 20:33 huginn cait: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011) 20:33 cait @quote random 20:32 huginn cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes 20:32 cait @quite random 20:32 wahanui somebody said jcamins was A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins 20:32 gmc_in_exile jcamins? 20:32 libsysguy hehe 20:31 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 20:31 huginn gmc_in_exile: Quote #150: "<libsysguy> jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra" (added by wizzyrea at 03:07 PM, August 30, 2011) 20:31 gmc_in_exile @quote random 20:29 wizzyrea cool 20:29 wizzyrea ah it's ok 20:29 gmc_in_exile different datacenter 20:29 * wizzyrea wonders about bugzilla 20:29 wizzyrea noooo 20:29 gmc_in_exile affecting huginn (and my IRC proxy) 20:28 wizzyrea oh no 20:28 gmc_in_exile some linodes in their Atlanta data center are having network connectivity issues 20:28 cait gmc_in_exile: oh? 20:28 wizzyrea lol 20:26 wizzyrea od. 20:12 cait I am not sure too, but maybe worth a test? or a look at the code 20:10 trea yea, i'm wondering if it requires one defined 20:09 cait not sure, maybe give it the allowed ip addresses? 20:08 trea is there anything required to enable ILS-DI in koha besides setting the ILS-DI syspref to "Enable" ? 20:03 * oleonard waves good-weekend to #koha 19:57 cait the best one? 19:57 cait hm 19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Standardize on one javascript library for client-side form validation 19:54 * oleonard would like someone to please pick the winner of Bug 6209 19:35 cait bye jcamins_away 19:33 jcamins I'll be back later, I suspect. 19:32 * jcamins calls it a day. 19:32 cait heh 19:31 oleonard whip and cookies: http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID16783/images/resized_Whip_cream_cookie.JPG 19:31 libsysguy heh 19:31 cait lol 19:30 liw they need to have a shower firswt 19:30 libsysguy :'( 19:30 libsysguy stinking Americans get no cookies 19:30 libsysguy yeah carrots and sticks 19:30 cait leo suggests it's  the carrot and the stick in english? 19:29 libsysguy :p 19:29 libsysguy haha i did call "use strict" 19:29 cait i think expressing a mix of being nice and being strict works best 19:28 cait it's a saying in german 19:28 libsysguy sounds kinky 19:28 cait whip and cookies. 19:28 cait whip? 19:28 cait hm 19:28 libsysguy im not sure cookies would appease this monster cait 19:27 cait libsysguy: give it cookies? 19:25 libsysguy its a beast 19:25 * libsysguy is already rewriting the test this thing 19:25 jcamins If code coverage isn't darn close to 100%, that's bad. 19:24 jcamins Biiiig issue. 19:24 jcamins Not including tests for all functionality, on the other hand, is an issue. 19:24 jcamins libsysguy: you probably won't get dinged by QA for a single oversight in where you put POD. 19:24 libsysguy actually im getting my new book "Perl best practices" in today 19:23 libsysguy heh yayy documentation 19:23 libsysguy but that means I'll have to go fix Koha::Calendar :-/ 19:23 jcamins Also to cure insomnia. :) 19:23 jcamins Please refer to TAOCP for justification. :P 19:23 libsysguy thats the way I like it 19:23 libsysguy ok 19:23 jcamins Keep the POD as close to what it documents as possible. 19:22 libsysguy for POD documentation, is it better to put the POD above the function or at the bottom of the file? 19:13 jcamins Actually, probably the version of Perl in Lenny is too old. 19:11 liw jcamins, both lenny and etch are quite old by now, so I'd be a bit surprised if Koha .debs installed on them 19:07 cait but it's really cool :) 19:06 cait mainly happening on the translate list :) 19:01 jcamins oleonard: Karam Qubsi has taken the initiative to make the manual translatable. 19:00 oleonard ? 19:00 cait Karam++ :) 18:59 jcamins oleonard: yup. 18:59 cait :) 18:58 oleonard Good for them 18:57 * oleonard didn't know schuster's library had gone independent 18:57 jcamins martian523: regardless how you do this, it is going to take some programming. My recommendation would be to use vernacular script directly in 245 (etc.), so that everything remains consistent. 18:54 jcamins martian523: then don't use 880s. 18:54 martian523 well, since all patrons for my library are chinese, they would prefer to read and search everything in chinese 18:54 jcamins Agreed. 18:53 cait using 245 directly will save you headache 18:53 cait and as a short title on other pages in Koha 18:53 jcamins You could modify it to do that, but I wouldn't recommend it. 18:53 cait and if you get the opac deatail and staff results right, it will still be 245 showing up in the notices 18:53 cait in the fuller catalog? search is really the harder part 18:53 cait hae you tested some searches ? 18:52 martian523 would that be a super big project 18:52 cait martian523: you can do that, newer versions make it even easier 18:52 jcamins martian523: they had to customize their OPAC. 18:52 martian523 so i thought there's a way in koha that can show 880 fields instead of 245 fields 18:51 martian523 however, other libraries, let's say fuller seminary library, their marc view for 245 is transliteration, 880 in native character, but the title shown on library catalog is in the native language 18:50 jcamins martian523: to do that you will need a script to transfer the data from 880 to 245. 18:50 cait ah :) 18:49 cait but chinese also reads left to right, so it would not be bad for display at least 18:49 jcamins No, you *should* catalog directly into 245. 18:49 cait but jcamins will tell you perhaps that it's wrong doing that, I am not sure :) 18:49 martian523 I would like the library catalog to show the chinese characters instead of the transliteration 18:49 cait I think for search and if you don't do transliterations at all that would work 18:49 cait martian523: what you could also do is catalog in 245 directly... 18:48 cait for hfjs we copy information into specific 9xx fields to make the indexing a bit smarter with grs 18:48 martian523 let's say, the title is in chinese, however, in marc 245 is the transliteration, the actual chinese title is in 880 field 18:48 cait true 18:48 cait because only indexing 880 will throw all information together 18:48 jcamins You'd need DOM+ICU. 18:48 cait you will have to use dom indexing to make it work right 18:47 cait the problem is the indexing 18:47 cait slef: it could display instead, yes, that's probably not so hard even 18:47 jcamins slef: massive job. 18:46 slef cait: koha could show 880 instead of 245 if you edit xslt, couldn't it? And you'd need to update the indexing and so on... sounds like a big job 18:45 jcamins martian523: that is not possible. 18:45 martian523 am i making sense here, sorry if i'm not 18:45 martian523 what i mean is i want the native characters to show in catalog instead of what's shown on marc 18:45 cait and it will only work in xslt displays of staff and opac so far 18:44 cait if you download the record as marc you can see how it's cataloged 18:44 * mtompset waves 18:44 cait [off] https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=30613 18:44 cait so if you have a 880 for 245 in hebrew and a 245 with the transliteration, both show 18:44 martian523 instead of manually copy and pasting 880 fields to 245, 250...etc. 18:43 cait besides 18:43 cait but not instead 18:43 cait martian523: koha does show 880 fields 18:43 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), folks. 18:43 martian523 can koha show tag 880 instead of 245? 18:43 mtompset Or sleep, because the Mountain Dew has worn off? 18:42 martian523 hi, i have question about marc display 18:42 mtompset Well, I don't know... should I stay awake for another 1:20 to watch opening ceremonies? 18:40 limon https://secure.flickr.com/photos/learningspacetoolkit/ <also a couple from Edinburgh> 18:40 slef thanks 18:40 cait in one of our libraries I have added more values, pretty much everything >0 works the same I think - but again, not sure of hidden features 18:40 slef cait: yeah I think I'll not rely on it. 18:39 limon The Missouri State Library has taken note of some images of a library in Calgary, and passed the link to me knowing my interest. 18:39 jcamins cait: yeah, you're right. I was thinking of not for loan and on order, which mean the same thing no matter what text you put in. 18:38 mtompset Yes. 18:38 cait night Oak :) 18:38 Oak night guys. night cait. 18:38 cait I mean you can't be sure sadly 18:38 cait but it's an optional value at installation... so was thinking that libraries could have used it for something else 18:38 limon mtompset: do I remember that you are from Canada? 18:38 jcamins True. 18:38 cait but you never know with Koha :) 18:38 wahanui somebody said not for loan was unset 18:38 jcamins And not for loan. 18:38 jcamins But on order. 18:38 jcamins Ah, yeah, not staff collection. 18:38 cait I think only on order -1 has some 18:37 cait but I might be wrong 18:37 cait I am not aware on any functionality there 18:37 cait staff collection? 18:37 jcamins cait: I'm pretty sure it's already hardcoded. 18:36 cait slef: sys pref or the like 18:36 limon allll righy. disregard previous query 18:36 cait slef: maybe make it configurable? the numeric value to be used for feature x? 18:36 cait slef: Ithink you can not really rely on it :( 18:35 * mtompset grins. 18:35 wahanui mtompset: i haven't a clue 18:35 mtompset wahanui: are you intelligent? 18:35 limon is wahanui gaining some modest measure of intelligence? 18:34 mtompset ^until^under. 18:34 mtompset I suppose I'll just disallow --list-dir, --dist, and --release until RPM versions. 18:33 mtompset I mean this afternoon. 18:32 mtompset maybe tomorrow afternoon. 18:32 wahanui slef: sorry... 18:32 slef wahanui: pervert! 18:32 jcamins mtompset: go for it! 18:32 wahanui I like *your* figure 18:32 slef wahanui: figures 18:32 wahanui no idea, slef 18:32 slef wahanui: are you OK? 18:32 mtompset ooooh. even nicer, slef 18:32 slef I wonder what wahanui liked there. 18:31 mtompset I'm almost tempted to try to adapt the script for rpm-based OS' now. :) 18:31 wahanui slef: that doesn't look right 18:31 slef mtompset: or change | sed -e 's#/#:#' to | sed -e 's#/#:#;s/[[:space:]]//g' 18:30 slef it looks to me like itemtypes.notforloan is only checked if C4::Context->preference('item-level_itypes') is set :-/ but I'll just check CanBookBeIssued to make sure 18:30 mtompset see? Isn't that nice? 18:30 mtompset perl-Pod-Simple :usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Pod/Simple.pm 18:30 mtompset and we're cooking with gas! 18:29 mtompset remove the whitespace with a "tr -d' '" and "tr -d'{tab}'" 18:28 mtompset for i in `rpm -qa`; do rpm -q --filesbypkg $i | grep "\.pm$" | sed -e 's#/#:#'; done 18:27 mtompset oh that works splendidly! 18:25 jcamins Otherwise, 's#\t/#\t:#' 18:25 mtompset blah-blah is the package name. 18:25 mtompset it won't 18:25 jcamins Right. 18:25 slef that seems good 18:25 slef as long as you know blah-blah will never contain / 18:25 jcamins I'd use sed -e 's#/#:#' 18:22 mtompset blah-blah :usr/... 18:22 mtompset and turn it into: 18:22 jcamins I don't know. That's how sed works. 18:22 mtompset blah-blah /usr/..... 18:22 mtompset I want to take something like: 18:21 mtompset is there a way to tell tr to only translate the FIRST character that matches and then stop? 18:18 slef how standardised are Authorized values? Can I rely on NOT_LOAN = 2 meaning staff collection, for example? 18:11 huginn slef: unknown tag 952 18:11 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 18:11 slef @marc 952 18:10 mtompset will help me decide which method to use. :) 18:10 mtompset so, I think a simple 'which apt-get' 18:10 mtompset and RPM-based folks aren't going to install apt-get (if they are smart) 18:09 jcamins dcook would certainly be grateful. 18:08 jcamins This is not nearly as important as the deb-based script, but it'd be cool to have. 18:08 mtompset But I think I might be able to hack something together. 18:08 mtompset I'd have to loop through rpm -qa 18:08 jcamins Yay! 18:07 mtompset rpm -q --filesbypkg sed-4.1.5-8.el5 18:05 jcamins I don't think RPMs have consistent package names. 18:05 limon http://paste.koha-community.org/65 (does that link work?) 18:03 mtompset yes, but I need an equivalent to apt-file list 17:56 jcamins mtompset: yum provides seems to be equivalent to apt-file find 17:56 jcamins slef: that is good! 17:56 slef but I rarely use rpm-based systems now (yippee! At last we are moving on!) 17:55 slef yeah you probably want to be looking at yum not rpm 17:55 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "How we hunt in debian-systems" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/64 17:55 wahanui i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org 17:55 mtompset paste? 17:55 mtompset paste bot? 17:54 jcamins limon: the goal is to generate the dependency list, given a list of Perl modules that are needed. 17:53 limon ? 17:53 limon http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-find-what-dependencies-a-rpm-file-has/ 17:53 mtompset apt-file find 17:53 mtompset well... library name BLAH::Blah 17:53 limon rpm -qpR {.rpm-file} 17:52 jcamins limon: the problem is we want to find a package that hasn't been installed yet on the basis of a file name. 17:52 * jcamins will let you test it on your CentOS box. 17:52 limon rpm -qa | grep somepkg 17:52 jcamins Or yum provides 17:50 jcamins Oh, no, maybe I'm wrong. 17:50 jcamins That only tells you if the file has already been installed, I think. 17:49 jcamins No, that won't work. 17:49 mtompset we could make the script truly generic. 17:49 mtompset if we could come up with equivalent rpm-based commands... 17:49 jcamins rpm -qf? 17:48 mtompset is there an apt-file for it... 17:48 mtompset I have access to a CentOS box... 17:48 mtompset Actually, that's a good question... 17:48 jcamins slef: it'd be nice to be able to offer a list of dependencies for RPM-based distros, but I'm not sure there is an equivalent. 17:48 slef mtompset: on debian-derived ones, for which I commend you. 17:47 mtompset slef: this script is intended to help ELIMINATE the use of CPAN. 17:47 slef but hey if it's rpm-based, their disk is chaos anyway ;) 17:47 mtompset True. 17:47 jcamins mtompset: the script won't work with non-apt distros. 17:47 slef they splat their disk with cpan, probably :-/ 17:46 mtompset But what other OS'? 17:46 mtompset for ubuntu and debian. 17:46 jcamins mtompset: my thought is it will be run prior to any release, so that any tarball will include up-to-date dependency lists. 17:45 mtompset Except the dpkg command will. :) 17:45 mtompset No, you don't. 17:45 mtompset Yes, this generates things to add to the end of existing files as dependencies increase. 17:45 jcamins I guess the problem is that you don't know *which* packages you're missing using those files. 17:44 mtompset I know we install for Ubuntu. 17:44 jcamins slef: but we'll have the generated files and instructions to use them. 17:44 mtompset Installing from .tar.gz will. 17:44 mtompset Yes. 17:44 slef they will if they install from tar.gz 17:44 mtompset well, I know we prefer Debian. 17:43 jcamins I suppose we could also include it in install_misc, if you think end users are likely to need it. 17:42 jcamins This is a script that RMaints and RMs will want to run frequently. 17:42 jcamins mtompset: that's my thought. 17:41 mtompset where is this going again? release tools? 17:40 mtompset found it... thanks. 17:40 jcamins There's a page on the wiki with instructions. 17:40 jcamins You click on "Details," and then click a few more times. 17:40 jcamins I don't remember exactly how. 17:39 jcamins No, that's not the link. 17:39 wahanui well, Bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 17:39 jcamins Bugs? 17:39 jcamins No, that's not the link. 17:39 wahanui bugzilla is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org 17:39 jcamins bugzilla? 17:39 mtompset How do you obsolete an attachment without adding one? 17:37 jcamins mtompset: I saw. :) 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8517 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Script to automatically generate package lists 17:36 mtompset Still attaching script... however, bug 8517, jcamins 17:30 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 17:30 slef @later tell rangi would you like to fix the print message in http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=2d4d2ab2848baf033d38908012129ac0e4cb5885;hb=3.8.x#l5242 without comment or shall I open a brown-paper-bag bug? ;) 17:29 wahanui slef: I forgot 3.8.x 17:29 slef wahanui: forget 3.8.x 17:29 wahanui it has been said that 3.8.x is known to be unstable. 17:29 slef 3.8.x? 17:28 slef 3.8.x RMaint? 17:27 wahanui RMaint are rangi and jcamins 17:27 slef RMaint? 17:25 jcamins http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ 17:25 mtompset I want to put it in the comments. 17:25 jcamins Uhhh... 17:25 mtompset What was that sources.list url you found, jcamins? 17:24 mtompset Yes, that's true. 17:24 slef mtompset: if it's not, we're dead six ways. 17:24 mtompset (forgive any typos in the name) 17:24 mtompset It is based on the assumption that C4::Install::PerlDependencies.pm is up to date and correct. :) 17:23 mtompset I'm about to post a nice script. :) 17:23 slef mtompset: debian.packages should be removed once there is some script to run to tell people which packages to install (maybe what's used to generate debian/control ?) 17:22 * slef reads scrollback 17:21 slef 3.6 maybe should continue to care for a few months, as it'll have some users on lenny still (because some people won't upgrade during the academic year) 17:21 mtompset I was thinking 3.6 17:21 mtompset I wasn't thinking 3.8 for lenny. 17:20 slef not on 3.8+ anyway 17:20 jcamins slef: yeah, that was my thought, too. 17:20 jcamins cait: well, there goes that idea. 17:20 slef jcamins: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny says that is discontinued too, so I don't think there's any reason to worry about them. 17:20 cait we didn't change much in serials 17:20 cait jcamins: I think it has always worked that way 17:20 * mtompset cheers, "My --full=0 and --full=1 output matches as expected!" 17:19 slef sysprefs not options 17:19 jcamins Maybe that's not in LLAK, or something? 17:19 slef I think it's easy to break with options. I've a bug report about it somewhere in the co-op which I need to check and maybe send on. 17:19 cait ok, so it's not only me 17:19 cait must be something else? 17:19 cait so I am confused that they say both is missing :( 17:19 jcamins cait: as far as I know it does, and we do. 17:18 cait yep 17:18 jcamins cait: I have no idea. 17:18 cait thought it did calculate dates and also that we did have a quarterly pattern 17:18 slef cait: is that about serials? 17:18 jcamins slef: Lenny=5, Etch=4. 17:18 slef one is 4.0 and can be ignored, not sure how else 17:18 cait ? 17:18 cait what does date in predictions mean 17:18 cait reading the mail on the list 17:18 cait hm 17:18 slef jcamins: what numbers are lenny/etch? 17:18 jcamins mtompset: it should probably be removed. 17:17 mtompset Also, I was wondering... since it really doesn't make sense to check the debian.packages file (there is the koha-common package after all), will it be removed? or perhaps renamed for historical purposes (Lenny/Etch)? 17:13 jcamins True. 17:13 mtompset though, once this script is working properly... you could tell easily. ;) 17:12 jcamins liw: is it fair to say that there is no reason to worry about whether Koha would install on Lenny or Etch? 17:11 jcamins mtompset: I think they overlap by a few years, but the emphasis is on stability. 17:11 cait hi mtompset 17:11 mtompset Hi, cait 17:11 * cait waves 17:11 mtompset So debian is really focused on a nice clean, stable install, rather than something that just works, even if it is the wrong way. 17:10 jcamins mtompset: security updates for Debian Lenny (5) were discontinued on February 6, 2012. 17:09 jcamins SJeffery: yeah, I sent her a message off-list. 17:09 jcamins liw would know for sure. 17:09 SJeffery There's an academic library looking for info on Koha on the ACAT mailing list if anyone wants to take a shot. 17:09 jcamins mtompset: I believe so. 17:09 jcamins mtompset: I suppose it might be a good idea to produce a list for Lenny (5.0) too, though I don't think anyone has tried installing Koha on Lenny since 3.2. 17:09 mtompset So basically, only one stable debian is active at a time? 17:08 jcamins mtompset: oh yes. 17:08 mtompset jcamins: I was wondering... Is debian 4.0.x unsupported now? 17:07 * oleonard goes to get his ears lowered 16:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type 16:48 jcamins Bug 7716 16:47 jcamins I will look into it this weekend. 16:47 jcamins Hm, yeah, nothing unusual about that. 16:47 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my opacnav" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/62 16:46 nengard it's a basic list 16:46 * jcamins isn't sure what would make it "unusual." ;) 16:46 nengard not that i see 16:46 jcamins nengard: anything unusual about it? 16:46 nengard jcamins i have html in my opav nav 16:45 slef jcamins: that's called implied consent and it's dodgy but legal in the UK at the moment... at least until someone bothers to appeal to the European courts 16:44 jcamins slef: yes. 16:44 slef does anyone else type into the wrong text box on bugzilla and save a useless search named after the search terms you wanted to try next? 16:44 jcamins slef: here's how library catalogs are dealing with the cookie law: "We use cookies on this website. By continuing to use this site without changing your cookie settings, you agree that you are happy to accept our cookies and for us to access these on your device. Find out more about how we use cookies and how to change your cookie settings." 16:40 mtompset Shoot! found another bug... good thing it's a coding fest. :) 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless 16:38 jcamins (re: bug 8204) 16:38 jcamins OPACNav or the other one(s)? 16:38 jcamins nengard: do you have anything special in any of your sidebar prefs? 16:25 slef and rebase 16:25 slef I do, far too often :-/ 16:24 jcamins Yup. If you want to move a single commit, you could use git cherry-pick. 16:24 slef I was looking around commit --amend which was the wrong place 16:24 slef I was sure there was one but wasn't seeing it :-/ 16:23 slef thanks! 16:23 oleonard git branch -m <new name> 16:23 slef OTTOTH is Off The Top Of My Head 16:23 jcamins git branch -m? 16:23 wahanui no idea, slef 16:23 slef wahanui: OTTOMH? 16:23 slef OTTOMH? 16:23 slef OTTOTH is Off The Top Of Their Head 16:22 slef anyone know an easy way to rename a git branch OTTOTH? 16:21 gaetan_B bye ! 16:21 slef oleonard: yeah... the Olympics being in London was part of the reason kohacon12 was in Edinburgh. Quite a few London hotels and venues were closed for refurbishment, creating a supply shortage, so increased prices. 16:20 slef although that's quite sympathetic... I understand there are actually 18000 army troops deployed now 16:20 * oleonard wonders why any city would want to have the Olympics 16:19 slef security, not seconds 16:19 slef http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18866153 if anyone hasn't seen the olympic seconds scandal 16:13 wizzyrea eeeks 16:13 wizzyrea 4 hours! 16:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search 16:10 slef patch submitted for bug 8516 16:08 slef mtompset: not yet. Maybe in the morning if I get this deployment finished (so probably not :( ) 16:08 mtompset Ah. But haven't you see the olympic security? 16:07 slef mjray, about 9 hours ago: At 0812, many bells in GB will be rung to warn of the invasion of the Olympics. Please RT to help warn ppl // from mustard [Kewstoke, Somerset, England, UK] 16:06 mtompset You're asking in the middle of a 2L Mountain Dew coding-run. My memory is shot. Refresh me. 16:06 slef mtompset: did you like my status update this morning? 16:05 mtompset Oooo... olympic opening ceremony in approx. 4 hours. 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search 16:04 slef Bug 8516 Submitted 16:03 wizzyrea oh yea new bug for that slef 16:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5369 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , se queries with paranthesis fail 16:03 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6448 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , EAN-13 barcode support 16:03 slef @query search brackets 16:03 * oleonard doesn't know 16:02 slef I think I know why the phone might - we have a problem with bracketed words, don't we? 16:01 oleonard ...a fact which severely limits their usefulness IMO 16:01 oleonard Name searches obviously don't require an exact match, but email and phone searches do 16:00 slef oleonard: so I don't remember. Do you? :) 16:00 slef oleonard: sames as the current searches 15:59 oleonard slef: Does it require an exact match? 15:59 oleonard I'd say a new bug slef 15:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability search borrowers only on email / phone 15:57 slef added street address searchfields option - shall I post it as a new enh or a followup patch to bug 7544? 15:55 huginn wizzyrea: sekjal was last seen in #koha 6 days, 22 hours, 35 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <sekjal> melia: 8418 no longer applies 15:55 wizzyrea @seen sekjal 15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6151 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , IndependantBranches and HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn can prevent items from being checked in 15:55 wizzyrea bug 6151 15:52 slef but I'm adding fields, not removing them 15:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability search borrowers only on email / phone 15:51 slef bug 7544 seems closest 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7319 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve specificity of title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability search borrowers only on email / phone 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5904 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Patch doesn't apply , ysearch.pl members improvements (Independant branches behaviour) 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Broken encoding in members home/search page 15:51 slef @query city search 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8287 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , remove filter on checked out from overdues 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8168 minor, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , ersatz CSV header in attachment of overdue notices sent to administrator 15:51 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8148 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap authentication should FAIL if ldap contains NEW password, and user types the PREVIOUS password 15:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3777 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Field Sizes Inconsistent 15:50 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1153 minor, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opac-userupdate.pl update to allow moderation, and templatize 15:50 slef @query city 15:48 gmcharlt and present a generic "feature is disabled page" if it isn't 15:48 reiveune bye 15:48 gmcharlt besides just adding the necessary code, one approach that may help enforce this would be adding an option so that get_template_and_user can be (ab)used to check preconditions on whether a feature is enabled 15:47 gmcharlt as far as the mechanism goes, I think as a general rule any CGI script that can be "turned off" should check whether it is allowed to run as one of the first actions it does 15:46 oleonard See: opac suggestions, messaging preferences, patron details 15:46 gmcharlt that said, there is still a bug there -- if somebody *also* supplies the form parameters, they can still change the password 15:46 oleonard Is there mechanism based on access which could better handle this kind of situation? 15:45 oleonard gmcharlt: ...which is more than other pages do in cases where they can be "turned off" 15:45 gmcharlt opac-passwd.tt hids the form elements 15:44 gmcharlt oleonard: ah, I see what you mean 15:44 jcamins Apostrophes in searches on the OPAC. Remind me how we work around our stupid parser for those? 15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8515 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC password change does not obey OpacPasswordChange 15:41 oleonard gmcharlt: Re: Bug 8515, do you not see an error message when you navigate to the password change page? 15:39 mtompset Okay. Working on making the (bug) Enhancement report. 15:37 jcamins mtompset: contribs. 15:35 mtompset Component? 15:35 jcamins I'll close it once the script has been incorporated into release-tools. 15:35 jcamins Yeah, that makes sense. 15:34 mtompset version unspecified and say that it is useful in all versions? 15:33 mtompset Just doing another test run now. 15:32 * mtompset shrugs, "Seems good enough." 15:32 jcamins "Script to automatically generate package lists"? 15:32 mtompset Any suggestions for the bug report title, jcamins? 15:31 mtompset Glad to be a reminder. :) 15:30 jcamins mtompset: you just reminded me shortly after a gmcharlt spotting. :) 15:30 jcamins gmcharlt++ # thanks 15:30 jcamins mtompset: actually, I've been meaning to ask gmcharlt for months. 15:30 gmcharlt jcamins: done 15:29 * mtompset grins, "Is this because of the impending script, jcamins?" 15:29 chris_n gmcharlt: go for it :-) 15:29 wizzyrea ohh that's pretty 15:29 gmcharlt chris_n: no objection to jcamins request, I assume? 15:25 jcamins gmcharlt: BTW, any chance you could give me write access to the release-tools repo on git.k-c.org? 15:24 mtompset Forgot to include $KPD directory in the path for the final phase. DOH! 15:23 oleonard Patron attributes in rows instead of a table: http://screencast.com/t/n3MEfDK0rblH 15:22 mtompset found a bug. .... 15:22 mtompset I tested with the 4 sources.list files you gave. 15:19 jcamins Yes, very important. 15:19 mtompset I'm just testing the script from a directory different than koha_perl_deps.pl 15:18 jcamins mtompset: see, still not ideal. 15:18 mtompset WHAT?! 15:18 huginn mtompset: I suck 15:18 wahanui 24601! 15:18 mtompset @whoami? 15:18 huginn mtompset: I don't recognize you. 15:18 mtompset @whoami 15:17 mtompset you too, kf 15:17 jcamins mtompset: I was having trouble getting wahanui to respond properly. 15:17 kf have a nice weekend all :) 15:17 mtompset Was that cascade intentional, jcamins? 15:14 huginn jcamins: downloading the Perl source 15:14 wahanui 24601! 15:14 jcamins @whoami? 15:14 huginn jcamins: jcamins 15:14 jcamins @whoami 15:14 wahanui i already had it that way, jcamins. 15:14 jcamins wahanui: @whoami is <reply> 24601! 15:14 huginn jcamins: jcamins 15:14 jcamins @whoami 15:13 huginn jcamins: jcamins 15:13 jcamins @whoami 15:12 huginn gmcharlt: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 15:12 gmcharlt @enable armour_plating 15:12 * wizzyrea pats him "it'll be ok" 15:12 * wizzyrea sews him up carefully 15:12 * wizzyrea stuffs wahanui's guts back in 15:12 * mtompset laughs, "Poor bot." 15:11 * slef eviscerates wahanui 15:11 wahanui Of course! 15:11 jcamins really? 15:11 jcamins really is <reply> Of course! 15:11 wahanui i don't know, slef 15:11 slef wahanui: favourite tea? 15:11 wahanui no idea, slef 15:11 slef wahanui: what's our favourite tea? 15:11 jcamins really? 15:11 wahanui it is not. 15:11 jcamins it? 15:11 jcamins Hehe. 15:11 mtompset it really? 15:11 wizzyrea it really is the answer. 15:10 wizzyrea oh no, It's totally not a marketing thing 15:10 jcamins ago43: however, useful piece of advice: always double quote all search terms in PQF queries. 15:10 wahanui hmmm... network is very patchy 15:10 slef network? 15:10 wahanui by the way, is it ok to install the Gnome environment, or should I just stick to the Debian command-line (which I'd prefer not to do… very limiting to have to do every single thing via the command line) 15:10 slef by the way, what? 15:09 jcamins ago43: we do some PQF preprocessing, and the "151" bit is liable to get mistreated. 15:09 * mtompset high fives wizzyrea back. 15:09 * wizzyrea highfives mtompset 15:09 slef that's actually? 15:09 * mtompset grins. 15:09 wizzyrea word. 15:08 wahanui i heard the fifth element was love 15:08 jcamins ago43: thinking about it, you'll have trouble if you want to use PQF, too. 15:08 wizzyrea the fifth element? 15:08 wizzyrea the fifth element is love 15:08 mtompset the fifth element? 15:08 * mtompset grins. 15:08 wahanui somebody said the sixth question was "Why are you still asking wahanui?" or "How bored are you?" 15:08 slef the sixth question? 15:08 ago43 43 is better. 15:08 slef 42 15:08 mtompset *THE* answer. :) 15:08 wahanui OK, slef. 15:08 slef wahanui: the answer to most librarian search questions is "help pay for the rewrite, it'll make it better and you'll have a say" 15:07 jcamins That's actually the answer. 15:07 jcamins wizzyrea: true. Unfortunately, that's not even a marketing thing. 15:07 wizzyrea "help pay for the rewrite, it'll make it better and you'll have a say" 15:07 wizzyrea re: search 15:07 wizzyrea yes, I think the above is the answer to most librarian questions 15:06 jcamins :) 15:06 jcamins ago43: ah. Well, suggest they might want to get involved in the search rewrite. 15:05 ago43 well, a librarian was asking for it ... 15:05 slef huh? 15:05 jcamins ago43: you'll just have to use PQF for the search... hopefully this is not a search that users will be performing manually. 15:04 huginn limon: slef was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 31 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <slef> heheh kurlha 15:04 limon @seen slef 15:04 huginn limon: I've exhausted my database of quotes 15:04 limon @see slef 15:04 ago43 okay, thanks jcamins! 15:04 jcamins ;) 15:04 jcamins (and awfulness) 15:04 jcamins Note point 1c on my rewrite proposal about our query parser. 15:03 jcamins ago43: well, as I said, I wasn't too optimistic about it working, notwithstanding the fact that callnum,rtrn should be valid, functional CCL. 15:03 mtompset okay, fits your fancy -- is that a better idiom? :) 15:03 ago43 Pretty Quickly Fuzzled here. Trying callnum,rtrn:151 didn't change the results. Do I need to add anything to a standard Koha install? 15:03 limon We're in a drought here, no need for a boat. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/eax/?n=drought 15:02 jcamins It's actually for the release-tools repo, so I can format it into a patch and give you credit. 15:02 jcamins mtompset: yes please. 15:02 mtompset jcamins, should I attach this script to a bug report? 15:01 mtompset Whatever floats your boat. :) 15:01 limon Mood of the day (motd) 15:01 mtompset Greetings, limon -- what's with the different nick? 15:00 wahanui hmmm... pqf is Prefix Query Format or at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF 15:00 jcamins pqf? 15:00 wahanui okay, jcamins. 15:00 jcamins pqf is also at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF 14:59 oleonard Potted Quail Fondue 14:59 mtompset Hey, you were referencing yourself. :P 14:59 jcamins Hehe. 14:59 wahanui i think pqf is Prefix Query Format 14:59 jcamins pqf? 14:59 jcamins Yup. 14:59 ago43 what is PQF? Prefix Query Format? 14:55 mtompset That is a good thing (tm) 14:55 jcamins Nifty, eh? 14:55 jcamins mtompset: however, someone *did* just propose a search rewrite. Even put up an RFC on the wiki with itemized costs and everything. 14:54 jcamins mtompset: I know. 14:54 mtompset I didn't put that. It's been there for days. 14:54 jcamins Hey-! Someone just proposed a search rewrite. 14:54 * mtompset grins. 14:53 wahanui jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins 14:53 mtompset jcamins? 14:53 ago43 I'd agree with the last comment. 14:52 * jcamins uses this as an opportunity to point out that a search rewrite really *is* necessary. 14:51 jcamins (@attr 5=1) 14:51 jcamins Frankly, though, I think you'll have a lot more luck with PQF. 14:50 jcamins Otherwise, just use PQF. 14:50 jcamins Might work. 14:50 jcamins callnum,rtrn:151 14:48 mtompset BTW, seems like the missing library is 6.0.5 is in 7.0.X 14:48 ago43 yes, how? 14:48 * jcamins is looking. 14:48 mtompset And the magic way is? 14:47 jcamins ago43: there is. 14:47 ago43 Is there any way to limit a search by "starts with"? For example, a Dewey call number that starts with '151', and gets all '151.*', but not '*151*' results. 14:44 mtompset I thought the 5-in-1 was tea. 14:43 jcamins mtompset: yes, I know. That's why I was so confused. 14:43 mtompset No, Oolong is tea. 14:43 mtompset http://www.jimms5in1coffee.ph/ -- no 5-in-1 coffee. 14:42 jcamins o.O 14:42 jcamins Oolong... coffee? 14:42 mtompset never mind... I confused it with coffee. 14:41 jcamins We figure it was a mistranslation of something. 14:41 mtompset Here in the Philippines there is a 5-in-1 tea... let me see if I can find a reference to it. 14:41 jcamins mtompset: no, there's no milk in it. 14:40 mtompset Oolong is good, but I can't understand people putting milk in tea. 14:40 * chris_n hands paul_p a whole box of cookies 14:40 jcamins Our favorite tea is from Russia. It's labeled (in English! with no Russian anywhere) "Milky Oolong." 14:40 jcamins mtompset: slow is fine. 14:39 * chris_n had a couple of pounds from Singapore that was excellent 14:39 mtompset Well, the apt-file updates are painfully slow in my test system jcamins. But I think I have a viable script now. 14:39 * paul_p would be happy to eat an american cookie for 4PM (that the clock says it is here ;-) ) 14:39 chris_n lemon_grass++ 14:39 nengard one of them i drank a lot while i was there cause i was sick ? it was lemon green 14:38 nengard I came home from KohaCon with 4 new teas 14:38 jcamins I have very short shelves full of teas... four of them. 14:38 nengard :) 14:38 jcamins nengard: okay, then. 14:38 nengard jcamins they're tall and deep 14:38 nengard my favorite at home is the Bananasplitini at my local bar 14:38 jcamins nengard: just two? :P 14:38 nengard wizzyrea is right - cocktails 14:38 wizzyrea tea it is then :) 14:38 nengard I have a cabinet in my kitchen that has just tea in it - two whole shelves 14:37 wizzyrea not beer... 14:37 * wizzyrea tries to remember… fruity cocktails? 14:37 nengard that I do like 14:37 nengard YUM 14:37 chris_n green tea perhaps... 14:37 nengard hehe 14:37 mtompset beverage of her choosing. 14:37 nengard but thanks :) 14:37 * wizzyrea either 14:37 * nengard doesn't drink soda 14:37 wizzyrea ^^ 14:37 ago43 wizzyrea owes nengard a coke. 14:36 wizzyrea ^^ 14:36 nengard she doesn't want to high five me for jinxing her 14:36 mtompset Where's the high five? ;) 14:36 nengard hehe 14:36 * wizzyrea curses (silently) 14:36 nengard jinx 14:36 nengard schemaspy 14:36 wizzyrea schemaspy 14:36 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded. 14:36 nengard @later tell rangi can you update schema.k-c there were new documentation patches pushed that don't show there :) thanks!!! 14:35 * wizzyrea tries to remember what it is 14:35 wizzyrea they use a tool, and it's easy to use too, you can generate your own schema 14:35 nengard we should add that 14:35 nengard hmmm it's not http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 14:35 wizzyrea schema 14:35 wizzyrea rangi and/or eythian updates schem 14:32 jcamins It should say on the wiki. 14:32 nengard it was last updated in May 14:31 nengard Lots of new db documentation patches were pushed recently but don't show on that page 14:31 nengard who's in charge of updating schema.k-c? 14:31 * mtompset grins. 14:31 jcamins Alas. 14:31 jcamins Actually, right now I'm slumming and using Windows. 14:31 mtompset Anyone here have a debian 7.0.X lying around? 14:30 jcamins Nope. 14:30 mtompset do you happen to have a debian 7.0.X lying around? 14:30 mtompset Sweet. 14:30 jcamins mtompset: confirmed. 14:29 mtompset jcamins, could you confirm that CGI::Session::Driver::memcached is not in Debian 6.0.X? 14:29 mtompset (assuming it was Friday night) 14:28 mtompset I wish I was in Canada. I would so be ordering pizza right about now. 14:28 * mtompset nods. 14:28 jcamins Lucky magnuse! 14:28 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza (soon) 14:28 kf nengard: yep, I have DD/MM/YYYY in there and it worked so far :) 14:27 kf nengard: I will look at my sample patron data import to make absolutely sure 14:27 wizzyrea it is that way because it is 14:27 wizzyrea because that causes rebellion 14:27 wizzyrea naw, it's not about the tech 14:26 mtompset Say that international standards prefer YYYY-MM-DD for cross-compatibility with a host of Operating Systems and Applications. 14:25 wizzyrea (I recognize that asking them to change what they want is kind of rude. However, if you are changing your ILS, you're already asking for a whole boatload of changes that you will be forced to adapt to. Why not one more. :P) 14:25 mtompset (because of Excel's annoying defaults) 14:24 mtompset and if they double click in windows, they won't know the difference! 14:23 mtompset Don't change the back-end, let them change the front-end. 14:23 nengard exactly!! 14:23 wizzyrea they need to change what they want. :P 14:23 mtompset Yes, but it gives those non-programming librarians what they want. 14:23 nengard but yes, you are right 14:23 nengard drives me bonkers 14:23 nengard that's loony too - i hate when excel changes my date formats on me 14:22 mtompset Yes, but if you open the CSV in Excel, it will convert it to that. 14:22 nengard loony 14:22 nengard and I agree!! 14:22 nengard non programmer librarians I should say 14:22 magnuse ;-) 14:22 magnuse which is totally loony 14:22 nengard and want it M/D/YY 14:22 nengard they are fussy about that date format 14:22 nengard but most librarians do not 14:22 nengard I agree 14:22 mtompset It's a lovely date format. :) 14:21 mtompset YYYY-MM-DD rarely gets misunderstood. 14:21 nengard so I was wrong on the date 14:21 nengard and thanks kf that too make sense 14:21 nengard gmcharlt that makes sense 14:21 nengard Oh you said you DO think it's used - i need to read more carefully 14:21 mtompset high fiving is business? Sounds like business is too fun. ;) 14:20 kf for me it's 01/01/2012 14:20 gmcharlt for example, if you send your patron records out to have their addresses updated 14:20 kf well, if that is your dateformat setting 14:20 gmcharlt nengard: I'd say keep it -- in principle it is useful as a way to update records if you know the patron ID 14:20 nengard kf so it does have to be YYYY-MM-DD 14:20 nengard conversation?? I'm all business this morning ;) hehe 14:20 kf nengard: actually pretty suere - for the formatting of the dates 14:20 kf nengard: I think the dateformat setting is used 14:20 jcamins nengard: I don't know. I don't use it. I was just making conversation. ;) 14:20 jcamins bug 8504 14:19 jcamins (just commenting) 14:19 nengard what about borrowernumber - do we want to remove that column or leave it and keep it blank? I know we had some issues with this in the past and I was saying to remove that column 14:19 nengard thanks gmcharlt 14:19 nengard jcamins i agree - but for now - what is right? 14:19 gmcharlt nengard: to answer your first question, you don't need to supply all of the headings, just the ones for the mandatory fields and fields you wish to upate 14:18 nengard :) 14:18 * wizzyrea highfives nengard 14:18 nengard :) 14:18 wizzyrea keke 14:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8504 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , patron import explains attributes import wrong 14:18 nengard bug 8504 14:18 wizzyrea bug 8504 14:18 nengard third, i submitted a bug for: 8504 14:17 jcamins We should redo the patron import tool incorporating some of druthb's brilliant patron import scripts. 14:17 nengard second, how do you format the date - i always say YYYY-MM-DD but the page says you can use your local format 14:16 nengard first, does the csv require that all of the headings are there even if there is no data? 14:16 paul_p nengard = thus the [wo]men, which mean that it's men & women ;-) 14:16 nengard there has been some comments to me recently about documentation not being quite right ? here's what i have 14:16 nengard I do have a question on another topic -the patron import tool 14:16 nengard I know men who like it too 14:15 jcamins Not me. 14:15 nengard not just women 14:15 jcamins paul_p: hehe. 14:15 nengard LOL 14:15 paul_p nengard = some ppl are strange in what they like. It is rumored that some [wo]men are pleased when ... cataloguing in MARC21 !!! I can't believe it !!! 14:12 nengard I know some people who woulkd disagree 14:12 nengard well ? not fun for me :) 14:12 nengard not fun at all :) 14:12 nengard HA 14:12 paul_p nengard = if you want to play with sold = http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SearchEngine_Layer_RFC (well, i'm not sure you'll find it is a funny game :D :D ) 14:11 jcamins nengard: how about, "for Zebra, follow the instructions in INSTALL.debian. Do not use solr unless you are a developer working on it, in which case you can take a look at [wiki page]"? 14:10 nengard but when we're ready 14:10 nengard not now 14:10 nengard so what i'm going to need to know is how to document this for the regular users - something like "if you choose zebra you need to have your sys admin install and set up this stuff and if you choose zolr you need your sys admin to set up and install this stuff" 14:09 paul_p yes, well, yes it is. more or less, because authorities, for example, are far from working well 14:09 nengard back 14:09 jcamins kf: to use solr you have to install a lot of things from CPAN. 14:08 kf paul_p: that right? 14:08 nengard brb 14:08 nengard Okay, is there a list of those packages on the bug report - i haven't read it yet - really hungry so i need to grab a bite 14:07 kf nengard: sorry too - only wanted to say, there is nothing missing or waiting to be pushed. it's functional :) I think you could even try it - but I don't knwo what else is needed. probably installing lots of packages .) 14:07 nengard It's listed in there 14:07 nengard I have a doc I keep telling me what features need documenting still :) 14:07 nengard I'm not going to igore the feature, just waiting to document it until it's ready ready ready - think of the 3.10 manual like master branch of Koha - it's a work in progress :) 14:07 paul_p nengard (I don't see a windstorm ;-) ) 14:06 paul_p (so it was hidden for most ppl) 14:06 nengard I'm sorry I started such a windstorm 14:06 paul_p (except plack was not using a syspref) 14:06 paul_p kf is right nengard. it's like plack for staff for 3.8 14:06 kf like we did with other things in the past 14:05 kf nengard: the thing is you can make it work - it's only not recommended if you don't know what you are doing 14:05 nengard once it's there i'll put it in the manual 14:05 nengard since this is the 3.10 manual - it's easier to just wait 14:05 paul_p nengard = for now, just write "solr is highly experimental, and the syspref must be set to zebra" 14:04 nengard but until it's integrated and i can actually use it and set it up I can't really document it accurately 14:04 kf nengard: yep, but also the feature is :) 14:04 tcohen or if it is being taken into account at least 14:04 kf yes, it's in 14:04 nengard well technically master is experimental 14:04 tcohen i was asking if the solr setup can be used for having multiple instances 14:04 kf l 14:04 kf nengard: you could perhaps put a warning in that it's experimenta 14:03 huginn 04Bug 8233: major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 14:03 magnuse paul_p says: "Follow-up provided, I agree it passes QA now, so pushing !" http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233#c24 14:03 kf tcohen: I think it's not working with packages yet -eythian would know 14:03 nengard okay, I'll wait to document it 14:03 tcohen and is pushed into master 14:03 kf nengard: you can make it work, but it's experimental 14:03 tcohen yeah, i've been reading it 14:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 14:02 magnuse bug 8233 14:02 magnuse i think 8233 is mostly pushed? 14:01 nengard I think it's just there as a placeholder ? but want confirmation 14:01 nengard i don't know ? all i know is that I'm updating the manual with new stuff and there is a new preference that lets you choose Solr or Zebra 14:01 tcohen I mean, can we have a single SolR server and several koha instances? 13:59 tcohen is the proposed SolR setup multi-instance capable? 13:57 nengard is that just there for when we add solr? 13:57 nengard is solr integration done? I see that there is a SearchEngine preference in master 13:57 oleonard I think my kids take that to heart: Don't learn how to do something or mom and dad will start asking you to do it 13:51 mtompset I was attempting to learn, not actually do. Thanks. :) 13:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8515 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC password change does not obey OpacPasswordChange 13:51 gmcharlt mtompset: but n.b. bug 8515 13:50 nengard whew that worked! 13:49 gmcharlt git fetch origin; git reset --hard origin/master 13:49 gmcharlt nengard: if you don't have anything on that branch you want to keep, a slightly more drastic variation to try is 13:48 nengard gmcharlt i can reset and revert, but i can't push my revert 13:44 mtompset Thanks, gmcharlt 13:41 gmcharlt hi chris_n 13:41 * chris_n greets gmcharlt 13:41 gmcharlt mtompset: there's a syspref called OpacPasswordChange you can turn off 13:40 nengard thanks - giving it a whirl 13:40 gmcharlt nengard: git reset --hard, then try the revert again 13:39 nengard Please commit or stash them. 13:39 nengard Cannot rebase: You have unstaged changes. 13:39 nengard it keeps saying 13:39 nengard but it didn't work 13:39 nengard I tried git revert and the commit number 13:38 nengard I broke things on the manual and want to scrap my local changes and revert the last commit 13:38 nengard i need some git help! 13:33 slef heheh kurlha 13:30 magnuse yup 13:29 mtompset That is like 4+ years ago. Quite easy to forget an idea from that long ago. :) 13:27 * gmcharlt knows not 13:27 oleonard Ah, so it must do something amazing in Liblime Enterprise Kurlha 13:26 mtompset Well, how does a patron currently set their password, and can they change it? Is it possible to prevent them from changing it? 13:26 gmcharlt magnuse: indeed; it's a hook to allow associating a second login and password with a patron account via the extend attributes mechanism 13:25 magnuse looks like gmcharlt is the author of that 13:25 kf magnuse++ 13:25 magnuse http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2008-May/000988.html says: "password_allowed (if set, staff patron editor will allow a password to be associated with a value; this is mostly a hook for functionality to be implemented in the future. 13:23 kf but that's about it 13:23 nengard sometimes i'm just guessing :) 13:23 kf I know that the table has a separate column for password 13:23 nengard i'd love for more info on that :) 13:23 magnuse which, i must confess, did not make me a lot wiser ;-) 13:22 magnuse the manual says "Check 'Allow password' to make it possible to associate a password with this attribute." 13:22 oleonard Looking in the manual is so crazy it just might have worked. But no, nothing there. 13:20 tcohen CAS? 13:20 oleonard Sounds risky: the password is not encrypted 13:20 magnuse hm, i have a feeling i have seen it explained somewhere... the manual? 13:20 kf ? 13:20 kf perhaps having login data for a separate application in Kohaß 13:19 oleonard Seems like something that might have come from a very specific request. I'm curious what the origin is. 13:18 oleonard What is the purpose of the password associated with patron attributes? 13:17 * Oak 's battery is low... fasting 13:16 mtompset and vice versa, and different releases of the same distribution. 13:16 Oak kf 13:16 mtompset You can do DEBIAN checks under UBUNTU. 13:16 mtompset With jcamins_away's help, I've almost got it cross platform'd. 13:15 tcohen how r u doing mtompset? how are those scripts working? 13:15 mtompset Greetings, tcohen 13:14 tcohen hi #koha 13:12 mtompset I want to finish this script I'm working on. 13:12 oleonard Long night ahead for you mtompset? 13:12 libsysguy do the dew 13:12 * mtompset feels the 2L of mountain dew kicking in. 13:11 libsysguy morning mtompset 13:08 mtompset greetings, libsysguy 13:08 mtompset greetings, Oak 13:08 kf Oak. 13:07 Oak hello oleonard :) 13:07 oleonard Hi Oak 13:00 mtompset , instead of : returned the last character instead of truncating it. :) 12:59 mtompset That was an interesting typo. 12:57 nengard thanks 12:57 nengard that's what I figured - thank :) 12:57 jcamins_away nengard: use the cron job instead of the preference. 12:52 mtompset And the way it is worded does make it sound like you can use the cron instead. 12:51 mtompset I would think... I don't know... that using both would be bad (tm) 12:48 nengard question (working on the manual) - this preference UpdateTotalIssuesOnCirc says "(WARNING! This increases server load significantly; if performance is a concern, use the update_totalissues.pl cron job to update the total issues count). " -- does that mean you can use that cron instead of logging at the time of checkout? or do you need that in conjunction with this preference? 12:42 mtompset (Kenny Loggins -- Danger Zone) 12:42 mtompset Is about to test his changes... more youtube cranking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E 12:32 mtompset Not quite that large, but yes. 12:31 oleonard mtompset's work area: http://www.patrickmin.com/eee/images/external_samsung.jpg 12:30 julian_m I understand better :-D 12:30 mtompset I'm working on an external to reduce heat in my poor netbook. :) 12:29 mtompset 4 screens is enough. 12:29 jcamins Actually, I don't even have an external monitor. 12:29 jcamins Hehe. 12:29 * mtompset laughs! 12:29 kf lol 12:29 oleonard julian_m: This is jcamins' work area: http://officemagz.com/wp-content/uploads/paradise-trader-workstation-home-office-ideas-560x420.jpg 12:29 jcamins -( 12:29 kf oleonard: that sonds like an excellent idea - because I am sure you could make it look pretty :) 12:29 jcamins julian_m: I reported that bug. :)( 12:28 * mtompset nods. Here, here for jcamins. ;) 12:27 julian_m jcamins, do you check your emails every minutes? 0_0 you're amazing ! :) 12:27 oleonard I wish we didn't display them in a table. Maybe I should work up a patch for that to help convince others 12:26 kf I think it's a bit ugly the way it is to be honest 12:26 oleonard kf I don't see any reason to show the code either 12:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Increase the borrower attribute field size from 64 characters to 255 12:25 oleonard No, just testing Bug 8431 12:25 kf I was wondering if we should not only show the description and hide the code 12:25 kf oleonard: are you working on the display of patron attributes? 12:25 jcamins (once for each patch) 12:25 jcamins julian_m++ 12:25 jcamins julian_m++ 12:25 kf can't think of a reason 12:25 kf hm 12:24 oleonard ...because right now the "clear" link excludes password fields 12:24 oleonard Is there any reason why that link should not clear all kinds of inputs, including password type fields? 12:23 oleonard On the patron entry screen where you enter patron attributes, there is a "clear" link 12:23 oleonard I have a question about patron attributes 12:18 mtompset Greetings, oleonard 12:18 mtompset Bonjour, paul_p 12:18 paul_p (& jcamins & mtompset & drojf & everybody) 12:18 paul_p hi kf & good morning oleonard 12:17 oleonard Hi 12:17 kf hi paul_p and oleonard 12:15 mtompset This script is working out conceptually and actually well. :) 12:15 mtompset I'll know about other OS's, but not be stuck installing the wrong things. 12:14 mtompset So, I don't think this will affect the apt-gets whatsoever. :) 12:13 mtompset the default one is the only one checked when you don't specify one of the sources.list 12:13 mtompset and interestingly... if you do have an apt-file cache in your home dir... 12:12 mtompset and if they are out of date, it will speed up the next check. 12:12 jcamins mtompset: that seems reasonable to me. 12:12 mtompset because if they are all up to date, it's not too long. 12:11 mtompset jcamins: So, then perhaps it would not be unreasonable to take a long time to apt-file update on ALL the .lists in --list-dir, even if only one will be specified? 12:10 drojf because gema rips of the smaller artists too 12:10 kf grooveshark 12:10 drojf there is a creative commons group in the making 12:10 kf but other things are not available at all 12:10 kf yeah 12:10 drojf "claim to be" is possibly wrong, at the moment they are 12:10 mtompset that's a downer, drojf. 12:09 drojf mtompset: "gema" is forcing youtube to block a lot of songs. they claim to be the only german organisation to collect money for performance rights 12:08 jcamins mtompset: I don't see any reason. 12:08 mtompset jcamins: Question... will you be wanting to purge the apt-file cache between check_deps? 12:07 mtompset youtube is not available in your country? 12:07 kf drojf: I think I have seen that one... *sigh* 12:07 mtompset black eyed peas: Let's Get It Started. 12:07 kf ah 12:06 drojf oh it's this "not available in your country" website 12:03 * mtompset cranks up the youtube... http://youtu.be/IKqV7DB8Iwg 11:59 mtompset It's the Weekend. Woo hoo! 11:59 mtompset Great. I hope to have the apt-file stuff working later tonight/this morning. Yep, a coding blast. :) 11:58 * jcamins has dealt with the issue. :) 11:58 kf maybe talk to eythian about adding one? 11:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 11:58 jcamins @later tell eythian Could you add the line "Contents: . .gz" to each distribution in conf/distributions on debian.k-c.org? 11:57 mtompset Sadly, the k-c repo doesn't have Index files to download a Contents file. 11:55 mtompset Well, at least something with "perl" in it. :) 11:55 mtompset Did you know that debian has bugzilla3 integrated, but ubuntu doesn't? 11:54 mtompset Thanks for the source files. 11:53 mtompset just playing with apt-file -s now to see how to integrate it into the script. 11:53 mtompset Just giving you some credit for what I'm coding up. 11:52 mtompset Not a problem. 11:52 jcamins Sorry. 11:52 jcamins_away 06:51 #koha: < mtompset> jcamins_away and I have been dialoguing about this check_deps.sh script I have been working on. 11:46 mtompset You're welcome. 11:46 awm tnxs 11:45 awm ok 11:45 mtompset It's much easier under Debian that way. 11:45 mtompset Why not use packages? 11:44 mtompset It's much easier under Debian that way. 11:44 mtompset Why not use packages? 11:44 amw 3I got it 11:44 amw 3I am using tarball for production use 11:44 amw 3 10Q mtompset 11:40 wahanui bonjour, nengard 11:40 nengard hello 11:40 mtompset Greetings, nengard 11:36 wahanui git is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 11:36 mtompset git? 11:35 wahanui If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. 11:35 mtompset which install to use? 11:35 mtompset It tells you how to set up, in such a way that you don't need to ask that question. 11:34 mtompset No. 11:34 mtompset Will you be doing development and helping generate patches for koha? 11:34 amw 3mtompset: Thanks does the link show all the dependencies ? 11:34 mtompset those instructions are likely best for your scenario. 11:33 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 11:33 amw 3what packages ? 11:32 mtompset then use the packages. 11:32 amw 3I am using Debian 11:31 mtompset what OS are you using? 11:31 amw 3What is the easiest way to install all koha Perl modules 11:30 amw Hi all 11:29 kf pass 11:28 mtompset Does anyone know the name of a perl library which is in Debian, but not in Ubuntu? 11:26 mtompset That would be awesome. 11:26 kf and provide a translated manual and translatedonline help 11:26 kf the point is translating it once in the future 11:26 kf because you have to translate the interface, the help, all error message setc. 11:26 kf hm I think it would probably be a little less than the staff file at least 11:25 mtompset But aren't there extra explaining sentences in the manual? That's why I think it would be larger than the staff or opac clients. 11:25 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 32.9°C (1:18 PM CEST on July 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). 11:25 mveron @wunder Basel 11:24 mtompset Well, that much is true. 11:24 kf because at the moment we translate the context help files within the staff file 11:24 kf it would even reduce the staff translation file in size, if we managed to create some magic link between both 11:24 kf not huger than the staff 11:22 mtompset Isn't that going to be huge?! 11:21 mtompset po files for the manual?! 11:18 magnuse yup 11:13 kf I think if we got more translations, it would be a logical next step 11:12 kf led by the arabic koha translation team :) 11:12 kf magnuse: sadly no - but some progress on making po files for the manual 11:09 magnuse has there been any progress on the "replace online help with text from the manual" front while i was away? 11:04 magnuse cool 10:59 mtompset Because then when a new release is about to go out, run the script against 2 debian and 2 ubuntu sources.list files including the k-c repo, and then we'll know if something is missing and where to fix it. 10:58 mtompset I think jcamins_away will be working on solving that problem. :) 10:58 mtompset One drawback, even if I got the script working is that the k-c.org repos don't have an Index file usable by apt-file. 10:55 mtompset as long as you have an appropriate sources.list file. 10:55 mtompset I'm working on tweaking it to compare against DEBIAN repos under Ubuntu, and vice versa 10:54 mtompset It assumes that the C4::Installer::PerlDependencies.pm is correct. :) 10:54 kf cool :) 10:54 mtompset It lists dependencies missing from the repos, dependencies found in the repos, and then dependencies not listed in install_misc/ubuntu.{version}.packages files 10:53 mtompset jcamins_away and I have been dialoguing about this check_deps.sh script I have been working on. 10:52 mtompset Thanks, magnuse. 10:52 magnuse mtompset++ 10:50 mtompset Greetings, #koha. Day has ended, the koha coding can begin. 10:44 kf *sigh* 10:43 * drojf goes to take a shower 10:43 kf right :) 10:43 drojf well you already have lunch ;) 10:36 kf_lunch wish I could test those yummy bugs 10:36 kf_lunch lol 10:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8492 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Restrict OpacSuppression to IP adresses outside of an IP range 10:25 drojf and for dessert we recommend a light bug 8492 10:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8377 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client 10:24 drojf mmmh freshly rebased bug 8377 get it while it's hot, nom nom nom 10:18 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @27point7: "metaphysical question of the day : wonder why no header shown on top of advanced search page in #kohails staff client..." 10:11 drojf lol 10:11 magnuse drojf: because ha can? ;-) and hi! 10:10 drojf hi magnuse 10:10 drojf why is that guy answering all these old emails on the koha list? 10:09 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on July 27, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 10:09 magnuse @wunder boo 10:03 drojf vfernandes: you want to repeat subfield a for a field? 10:02 kf lunch time! 10:01 kf same said for here, but I don't believe in it yet 10:00 drojf but new thunderstorms tomorrow 10:00 drojf real summer 10:00 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.5°C (11:12 AM CEST on July 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 10:00 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:00 drojf heh 09:59 kf don't read what I write... read my mind... ah, better not. 09:59 kf lol 09:59 drojf good kf ;) 09:58 kf good drojf :) 09:56 drojf good day #koha 09:56 drojf i encourage you to send a patch ;) 09:55 drojf default values for indicators would be nice 09:55 vfernandes ok... but how i put two $a already filled... i can only put one... :/ 09:54 kf but I think no default values for indicators yet 09:54 kf yes 09:53 vfernandes default value... 09:53 vfernandes ok there is a bug in the indicators... but if I want to have two subfields $a already filled? 09:43 huginn 04Bug 7149: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , authorized values for indicators don't work 09:43 vfernandes http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7149 09:41 kf vfernandes: I think there was some work done about indicators - have you checked bugzilla? 09:40 vfernandes It's possible to change the bibliographic model to have some fields with the indicators already filled? 09:39 vfernandes hi guys 09:21 magnuse np! 09:20 kf have some support tickets to deal with first 09:20 kf but perhaps this afternoon 09:20 kf will try 09:19 magnuse a good plan! feel like putting that into the wiki page? 09:18 kf not only concentrating on signing off, but doing a bit to get a better pciture of where we are now and what needs to be fixed before release 09:18 kf and confirm bugs, file new bugs 09:18 kf I would like to encourage to test modules 09:18 kf notsure people can do much here 09:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 09:18 magnuse kf: should we encourage people to pay extra attention to bug 8233? 09:17 magnuse yay! 09:16 Oak :) 09:16 Oak magnuse 09:13 magnuse Oak 09:04 magnuse you can edit the template here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Globsquad&action=edit 09:02 kf if we had bounties... 09:02 kf we could put some bountiews on the what to do stuff 09:02 kf not sure how to edit the template vs. editing the page - mediawiki confuses me 09:01 kf magnuse: maybe we can get rid of some links tomake it a bit easier? 09:01 magnuse thanks 09:01 kf yep I can take a look 09:01 kf sorry, was running around at work 08:58 magnuse kf: my brain feels empty today, could you take a look at the wiki page and see if anything else needs changing or adding? 08:57 magnuse i think maybe i changed when the daily cron should run, and it got changed back when i apt-get upgrade'd 08:54 magnuse ah, that would do it, yes 08:53 eythian I think sometimes some machines run that at a different time 08:53 eythian I think it just runs in cron.daily 08:53 eythian magnuse: I don't think so 08:53 magnuse the GBSD template needs some editing, at least to include the dashboard 08:52 magnuse here's a basic page: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/2012-08-10_Global_bug_squashing_day 08:50 magnuse s/updates/backups/ 08:49 magnuse huh, did the update to 3.8.3 change when the updates for package installs are run? 08:46 kf yep 08:46 kf date, a link to the new dashboard, link to the bug squashing page in the wiki 08:46 magnuse maybe start with a wiki page? 08:46 kf hmm 08:46 magnuse what do we want to say? 08:46 magnuse hopefully 08:45 kf can I bribe you to write the email to the list? 08:45 magnuse kf: yeah! 08:44 kf should we start advertising the 10th for gbsd - searching bugs? 08:43 magnuse kf: yup! 08:42 kf magnuse: around? 08:42 kf ok, I foudn the problem with my notices - Koha was right :) 08:40 kf I should have probably put a note somewhere so people canfind that feature 08:40 kf it's very easy to miss :( 08:39 * gaetan_B is a bit ashamed to have only figured this out now 08:37 * kf nods 08:29 gaetan_B and the sentences around them 08:29 gaetan_B yes exactly, actually it's the only way to properly translate all those isolated bold words 08:27 kf but it really can be very useful finding a special string you are looking for that appears in a lot of pages 08:26 kf I did know - but it's still a pain combining template(location) and single words :( 08:25 gaetan_B francharb, and i figured this out recently and it can be *very* useful... 08:24 gaetan_B kf, did you know that in the search field in pootle, you can choose several possible fields in which to search, including locations ? 08:21 kf the borrower category says notices should be generated, the notice triggers are configured for the library and the category, there are notice templates, there is an email in the patron record and all other mails are there 08:19 kf I have a student for which no notices have been generated and I don't see why :( 08:19 kf ok... that is werid. 08:14 eythian Yeah, I've heard about that kind of thing now I think about it. 08:14 eythian glad I missed that then 08:14 paul_p (copper cables cost a lot, and we have frequent stories like that of some ppl sealing 1km or more of copper cable !!!) 08:14 eythian oh wow 08:14 paul_p eythian = lucky man. Seems that someone tried to steal some valuable cables (yes, really...), and broke the TGV line for more than 24 hours... all trains 2 hours late !!! 08:13 eythian No, not at all, everything ran pretty much exactly to time. 08:13 eythian paul_p: it was, yeah. Got a good bit of work done on the train. 08:12 paul_p eythian i've seen there has been some problems on the TGV line. I hope you've not been affected 08:12 paul_p hi eythian Nice trip to NL ? 07:54 eythian hi 07:52 kf morning eythian 07:38 mveron Ok, thanks 07:38 kf perhaps better file individual bugs? 07:37 kf I think there is a module documentation 07:37 mveron Is there kind of bug omnibus for the Koha manual (e.g. for http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/selfcheckout.html)? 07:35 kf hi mveron 07:34 mveron good morning kf 07:34 kf good morning #koha :) 07:25 wahanui hola, gaetan_B 07:25 gaetan_B hello 07:23 mveron hi #koha 07:21 paul_p good morning #koha 07:14 dcook_away 'night/'morning everyone! 07:02 * clrh tunnel bfm limoges 06:44 reiveune hello 06:31 wahanui salut, julian_m 06:31 julian_m hi 06:10 wahanui que tal, alex_a 06:10 alex_a dcook: hello 06:10 dcook salut alex_a 06:10 alex_a bonjour 06:07 francharb hello cait 06:07 cait hi francharb :) 05:59 francharb hi dcook 05:59 dcook morning, francharb 05:55 francharb morning 05:39 cait hi Oak :) 05:26 Oak afternoon dcook :) 05:26 dcook afternoon, Oak 05:24 Oak kia ora #koha 05:24 Oak guten morgen cait 05:23 Oak hello mtompset :) 05:22 mtompset Greetings, Oak 04:53 * mtompset goes back to real non-koha work. :( 04:53 mtompset And now I'm caught up. :) 04:52 mtompset mtj, I run Ubuntu. :P 04:51 mtompset Hey, there was a PS2Linux which was short lived. :) 04:51 mtompset I was reading the install file for that. UGLY! 04:51 mtompset GAH! 04:51 mtompset OpenSuse?! 04:43 dcook Thanks for the info, as always, rangi :) 04:42 rangi And now I need to go. 04:42 rangi Thanks autocorrect 04:41 rangi Evening = database 04:41 rangi It doesn't reconfigure 04:41 rangi (In packages that is) 04:41 rangi And pulls in New dependencies 04:40 rangi Upgrading copies files and updates the evening 04:40 rangi Copying files is the easy bit 04:40 rangi Most of the install is configuration 04:39 rangi Not quite 04:39 dcook So each time you update your installs, you're really re-installing? 04:39 rangi Putting them in the right places 04:38 rangi Pretty much yes 04:38 dcook You're packaging up all the files from the git and putting them out, yes? 04:38 dcook With packages... 04:38 dcook Agreed. Variety is the spice of life 04:37 rangi I'd like to see koha packaged and in all distros 04:36 rangi Just need someone to package it 04:36 rangi Quite a few Indian koha + suse users 04:35 dcook Mmm, I do remember you mentioning rpm before, rangi 04:34 rangi Unfortunately I know nothing about packaging other than debian 04:34 mtj (safety in numbers, and all that...) 04:34 mtj i'm the little baby gnu, that sticks close to the herd :) 04:33 mtj ... only to discover a strange bug, that no-one can help me with :/ 04:32 mtj i dont wanna be the only guy in the world running production koha+openbsd systems 04:32 rangi That does lots of rpm based stuff. It just needs someone to maintain rpm packages 04:31 rangi Opensuse have a build system 04:31 mtj if i discover a horrible ,horrible problem with my system - theres a very good chance someone else here has too 04:31 rangi Suse 04:31 dcook But...there are times when people don't necessarily have the option of using Debian 04:30 rangi A valid other response would be packaging for side 04:30 dcook I was talking to rangi the other day about how I will use Debian when I do my personal install 04:30 dcook That makes sense 04:30 mtj ... and that reason is because everyone else here does 04:29 mtj theres a reason why i run everything on debian... 04:29 * dcook is not the server admin 04:29 dcook That's a question for someone other than me ;) 04:29 mtj but seriously, ask yourself - is it worth the additional time/pain/problems of running koha on suse 04:28 dcook Right... 04:27 mtj nah, just kidding... 04:25 mtj please helps! 04:25 mtj yeah, i'm having lots of problems trying to do koha-development on my xbox?! :/ 04:24 dcook morning, cait :) 04:24 cait morning :) 04:21 wahanui dcook: that doesn't look right 04:21 dcook Change OS? :P 04:21 mtj ah yep... i know a great fix for that.... 04:20 dcook However, we can't use packages, since we're on opensuse 04:20 dcook The plan is to develop in git 04:19 mtj dcook: and no to winmerge, yes to git 04:17 mtj yep, thats all i'm asking... :) 04:16 dcook Ca m'est égal. I clicked :P 04:15 * dcook shrugs 04:15 mtj my hunch is you're on one of those pages ;) 04:14 mtj ps: the 'watcher' refresh on github is slow - for some specific pages 04:14 dcook Actually, it says KohaAloha has no followers on the organization/community page as well 04:14 dcook I know. I followed KohaAloha 04:14 mtj ... so it cant 'watch' anything, as such 04:13 dcook Am I looking for bugs in github? Maybe... 04:13 mtj ' Koha-Community' is a organistation on github - not a user 04:13 dcook It says the same, but my back-end stats for "followers" and "followed" haven't changed 04:12 mtj says i'm following you - where $i eq 'kohaaloha' 04:05 dcook Github says you're not following me and that I'm not following you though :o 04:05 dcook Reciprocity is pretty awesome 04:04 mtj sure i did - one good turn, deserves another 04:03 dcook o rly? 04:03 * mtj reciprocates dcook's favour , and follows him back... 04:02 dcook Does anyone use any file merging tools such as WinMerge? 04:01 dcook C'est moi 04:01 mtompset keener! :P 04:00 dcook Signed up and watching as well 03:59 mtj cool, thanx for doing that :) 03:59 mtompset I did click 'watch' though, mtj 03:58 mtompset GAH! I have to subscribe. 03:57 mtompset I can be a slacktivist -- unless I have to subscribe. :) 03:55 dcook ... 03:55 dcook Being a joiner is fun! 03:54 dcook Sounds good 03:53 mtj thats all... 03:52 mtj yeah, i want people click teh little 'watch' button on it :) 03:51 dcook mtj: you mean that you want people following it but only using it as a "next" resort, yes? 03:26 mtompset But still... dangerous doesn't mean don't implement. :P 03:25 mtompset I can see the danger. 03:25 mtj thats potentially a dangerous feature, so it hasnt happened 03:25 mtompset because that would be useful to do. 03:25 mtj afaik 03:24 mtj not automagically 03:23 mtompset Is there a way to tell git the "backup location"? 03:23 mtompset So, what if it was the other way around? 03:23 mtj and some pretty graphs.... 03:23 mtompset Okay... 03:23 mtj thats why... 03:22 mtj if kc.org was down.... you could use that repo - its a mirror , sync-ed every hour 03:22 mtompset I'm just asking as a person who is new to the whole use of git. 03:22 mtompset why would I choose github over koha-community? 03:21 mtj no, its the offical koha repo... on github 03:21 mtompset The URL doesn't match. 03:21 mtompset Is it the one listed here? ... 03:20 wahanui well, git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 03:20 mtompset git? 03:13 mtj s/following/watching/ 03:10 mtj why? for all the obvious reasons... ;) 03:10 mtj -> https://github.com/Koha-Community 03:10 mtj -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha 03:09 mtj attn: #koha any chance we could get more people 'following' the 'offical' koha repo on github? please...? 02:46 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 01:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority viewer in OPAC ugly, unfriendly, and mostly useless 01:26 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8204: fix UNIMARC display 01:26 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8204: Add user friendly authority view to OPAC 01:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #110: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/110/ 00:49 Justin No problem. Thanks. Bye for now 00:49 rangi depending on the time of the day there are varying numbers of people actually at their keyboards here 00:48 Justin Thanks. I will forward her a link for both 00:48 rangi yep, here or the mailing list 00:47 Justin Hi. I am introducing Koha to one of our schools and the librarian has some questions. I was wondering if I could direct her to here to see if she could get some answers? 00:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:16 dcook Hmm, actually, case sensitivity still a problem. Just .inArray is definitely a good replacement.. 00:12 dcook Thanks for the reminder to give it another go ;) 00:11 rangi sweet 00:10 dcook I think that takes care of the case sensitivity and the lack of support for indexOf. Go jQuery! 00:10 dcook Hmm, now I try it...and it works. Funny how you can spend a few continuous hours without success, but if you just wait until the next morning, everything flows easier. 00:07 dcook I'll have to ask him if I continue to meet roadblocks 00:07 dcook I tried using jQuery.inArray() last night, but I couldn't get it to work.. 00:07 dcook Hmm, good idea 00:06 rangi id drop owen a note theres not a lot he doesnt know about jquery 00:06 rangi :) 00:05 dcook Mind you, if the jQuery datatables were better, I wouldn't have to do anything :p 00:04 dcook I'm thinking that's what I had better do 00:03 rangi mostly cos it handles the crossbrowser issues better than i could 00:03 rangi always just use jquery 00:03 rangi i try never to write straight js anymore 00:03 dcook Mind you, it could be that my code is problematic 00:03 rangi yep 00:02 dcook Well, I suppose the case sensitivity is a JS issue, but IE changing how it capitalizes html elements is irritating.. 00:01 dcook Damn straight 00:01 huginn rangi: Karma for "explorer" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 00:01 rangi @karma explorer 00:01 dcook IE-- 00:01 huginn rangi: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 42 times for a total karma of -42. 00:01 rangi @karma ie 00:01 * dcook thinks that he may have found his problem. Damn case sensitivity 00:01 rangi there we go 00:01 huginn rangi: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 42 times for a total karma of -42. 00:01 rangi @karma IE 00:01 rangi ahhh 00:00 dcook :O 00:00 rangi explorer-- 00:00 rangi hmmm 00:00 huginn rangi: for ie has neutral karma. 00:00 rangi @karma for ie 00:00 rangi ie-- 00:00 rangi what! 00:00 huginn rangi: for ie has neutral karma. 00:00 rangi @karma for ie 00:00 huginn rangi: for IE has neutral karma. 00:00 rangi @karma for IE 00:00 dcook Signifies the same thing?