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23:49 rangi nice
23:48 drojf1 i hope my coworker is going to say the same. it's just a little patch but would be enough for us to go LIVE instead of 'live'
23:48 drojf1 :)
23:39 rangi is cool
23:39 rangi bug 8492
23:29 drojf1 heh
23:26 rangi http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2012-July/033641.html
23:25 rangi http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2012-July/033616.html
23:25 rangi sometimes you really wish you weren't proven right
23:22 rangi yup
23:04 libsysguy rangi you still around?
22:15 jcamins But not like last week.
22:15 jcamins Hot.
22:15 jcamins lol
22:13 rangi doh
22:13 rangi @wunder nyc
22:03 larryb I'm not in that much of a hurry. :)
22:02 rangi and/or build your own
22:02 larryb Okay, we'll do that.
22:01 rangi your best bet is to email eythian
21:58 rangi looking now
21:58 larryb Yes. After I installed it, the koha version is 3.08.01.002, and the 3.8.3 version update is not in the updatedatabase, and the overdue_notices.pl fix is not there.
21:57 rangi so you are saying hte 3.8.3 package isnt 3.8.3 ?
21:57 rangi 3.8.3-1 0
21:57 rangi Version table:
21:57 rangi Candidate: 3.8.3-1
21:57 rangi Installed: 3.5-1~git+20110928175704.405ee684
21:57 jcamins larryb: I don't know anything about that. Earlier I announced the repo was messed up because there were older files still there, but it turns out that was a misunderstanding on my part.
21:56 larryb But it's still the wrong version.
21:56 * jcamins did not know that.
21:55 jcamins Okay, there's nothing wrong with the repo. Turns out that you don't have to delete all old packages when you upload a new one.
21:54 larryb ditto
21:54 melia thanks rangi :) sorry, I was just pinging you because eythian wasn't in here, but I didn't know he was off to Europe!
21:53 rangi but lemme check
21:53 larryb The package version SAYS it's 3.8.3, but it's really 3.8.2.
21:53 rangi i dont make the packages, btw, thats eythian
21:53 larryb rangi, I just upgraded a site with the package, and it's still 3.8.2.
21:52 jcamins rangi: yeah, something went wrong with the repo.
21:52 rangi looks different to me
21:51 melia oh no! he's in Europe?!
21:51 jcamins melia: you missed him. He's in Europe. ;)
21:51 rangi you'll be waiting a while he is in europe :)
21:51 jcamins Uh-oh.
21:51 rangi http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/
21:51 melia ok, I will wait for him to show up and see what he says :)
21:50 jcamins I'm not sure if he ever got it working.
21:50 jcamins He's the one who builds it.
21:49 melia oh so not just us. ok then.
21:49 jcamins eythian was having all sorts of problems with it earlier.
21:48 melia we are having problems with the package for 3.8.3. I'm told that the package koha on the repo *says* it's 3.8.3, but it's really 3.8.2. it's not actually been updated.
21:47 melia lol
21:47 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
21:47 melia rangi?
20:43 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/24/git-statistics-for-3-6-7/
20:42 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/07/24/git-statistics-for-koha-3-8-3/
20:41 rangi nice
20:41 jcamins Lucky you.
20:41 * chris_n got a new dual quad core xeon machine for his koha production box
20:41 jcamins lol
20:40 wahanui it is, like, not
20:40 chris_n jcamins: tell me about it
20:40 jcamins No, I'd just use Postfix and ditch nullmailer.
20:40 rangi quite happily, leaving everything else
20:40 chris_n cool
20:40 jcamins chris_n: use Postfix. It's not miserable.
20:40 rangi if you just apt-get install postfix it will remove nullmailer and put postfix on
20:40 rangi oh you totally can do the package install without nullmailer
20:39 chris_n I'm trying to avoid breaking the package install
20:39 chris_n so should I setup postfix as my smarthost and point nullmailer there?
20:39 chris_n I guess I'll go back to that
20:38 chris_n I was using postfix
20:38 chris_n google--
20:38 chris_n gmail--
20:38 rangi i pretty much always install postfix and get it to do the same thing, but a little smarter
20:38 chris_n yeah, I'm trying to use gmail to do smtp
20:38 rangi well it can, its just throws everything at a smarthost
20:37 chris_n so nullmailer is not supposed to handle overdue notices, etc?
20:37 * chris_n is using the package to do his new production install of koha
20:37 chris_n so maybe I missed the point :)
20:36 rangi well, its not supposed to actually mail :)
20:35 chris_n doesn't support tls
20:35 chris_n stupid nullmailer
20:32 rangi its something the kernel developers do
20:32 rangi in gitdm
20:31 cait hm?
20:29 rangi the tested by and report credits are interesting to, if I knew how those were generated we could get QA to set them
20:26 rangi not for this run, but ill try for the next one
20:26 rangi http://soundcloud.com/snooplion/la-la-la-snoop-lion
20:26 cait :)
20:25 jcamins That's a good idea!
20:23 rangi to figure out how i can get it breaking down by file type
20:23 rangi i need to read the code more
20:22 jcamins I think it's a good idea. :)
20:22 jcamins I know.
20:22 * rangi will run it
20:22 rangi oh and it has lines changed and stuff too
20:22 rangi i think danielg likes them for his newsletter
20:22 rangi true ;)
20:22 jcamins Though the sign offs are already in the release notes. :)
20:22 jcamins Good idea!
20:21 rangi oh i should do stats runs for 3.6.7 and 3.8.3 eh?
20:17 cait wb rangi
20:16 * oleonard waves goodbye for the night
20:08 rangi back
20:08 * oleonard gives Bug 4048 another try (http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048)
20:04 cait where you couldn't run reports without being able to edit them
20:04 cait bug
20:04 cait but there was a but, not sure it's fixed
20:04 cait different to run reports
20:04 cait write reports
20:04 cait in theory we have a perm
20:04 wizzyrea i don't think so?
20:04 cait no idea
20:03 jcamins Do we currently prevent librarians from editing reports they didn't create?
20:00 wizzyrea I mean, I don't really
20:00 wizzyrea but do you want to give librarians who are not system admins the right to delete reports they didn't write?
20:00 wizzyrea suuure
20:00 cait by copying and pasting it from somewhere
20:00 cait I mean you can always recreate them easily
20:00 cait hm but maybe deleting is ok?
19:59 wizzyrea (except possibly by superlibrarians)
19:59 wizzyrea flag them for non-deletion
19:59 wizzyrea well we could add a class of saved reports that can't be deleted?
19:57 rangi Coffee stop bbiab
19:52 cait you still make sense :)
19:52 rangi Thinking aloud
19:52 rangi I dunno
19:49 rangi They are,easy to delete
19:49 rangi Daily circ activity etc
19:49 cait nice idea
19:48 cait hm sample reports
19:48 rangi And pre populate reports with some standard ones
19:48 rangi Yep I vote remove links
19:48 cait work
19:48 cait or provide some much simpler forms that actually wokr
19:48 rangi And point ppl to the reports
19:47 cait the answer almost always is don't use the stats wizard
19:47 rangi Yeah we should remove the links to them
19:47 jcamins :)
19:47 trea-phone thx
19:47 trea-phone perfect
19:46 jcamins Don't use the stats wizard.
19:46 jcamins Incorrectly.
19:46 trea-phone anyone on that understands how "patron activity" is calculated in the stats wizard?
19:32 drojf1 i was looking at that but not really understanding it :)
19:32 rangi And even
19:32 rangi Checks logged in an permissions
19:32 wahanui i heard get_template_and_user was getting called twice...
19:32 rangi get_template_and_user
19:31 melia_lunch ah well, I can't help you with that :)
19:31 cait morning rangi
19:30 drojf1 hey rangi
19:30 drojf1 heh thanks melia_lunch. no i meant from within a script in koha
19:30 rangi Morning
19:26 melia in the OPAC? look in the top right corner of the screen. if not logged in, you will see "Log in to your account." if already logged in, you will see, "Welcome [patron name]" and the words Log Out in red.
19:19 drojf1 how do i check if a patron is logged in?
18:47 jcamins Hehe.
18:47 oleonard There's probably a cow napping on my internet tube.
18:46 jcamins oleonard: I don't seem to be.
18:44 oleonard Anyone else having problems connecting with git today?
18:29 jcamins Definitely a very easy, very useful way to bring us closer to supporting multiple database backends.
18:29 jcamins oleonard: it is.
18:29 oleonard There seem to be some instances of that syntax already. I'm surprised there aren't more... seems like low-hanging fruit for any work to make Koha db-agnostic
18:26 jcamins oleonard: $dbh->column_info it is, then
18:22 oleonard ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'table issues' at line 1
18:22 oleonard mysql> describe table issues;
18:22 jcamins mbalmer: yes. It's big.
18:22 jcamins That's the way you're actually supposed to do it.
18:22 jcamins Well, the column_info still seems to be the best option.
18:21 jcamins oleonard: it's not?
18:21 oleonard I seem to have spotty connections to git.koha-community.org today
18:21 mbalmer anyone looked at moose yet?
18:20 oleonard but not mysql
18:19 jcamins 'DESCRIBE TABLE whatever' seems to be part of standard SQL.
18:18 jcamins http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=558057
18:17 oleonard My speculation began with imagining autocomplete for system prefs which take database column names and proceeded to "Why don't we have a centralized means of querying table structure"
18:17 jcamins $dbh->column_info() then you can iterate through to get a list of relevant columns.
18:15 oleonard I was just speculating about a possible enhancement
18:15 jcamins However, I think there's a correct way to do it, too.
18:15 jcamins oleonard: you could always do a SELECT * FROM table LIMIT 1 and look at the column names it gives you.
18:14 mbalmer I will check that for you, is it ok if I come back to it tomorrow, oleonard?
18:13 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 6716 tiny follow-up, mysql want a space after the --
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Update z3950servers documentation
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document search_history table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document saved_sql table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Update reserves table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Update documentation for the letter table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: document import_record_matches table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document import_batches table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document tags tables
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document patronimage table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: document issuingrules table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document branch_borrower_circ_rules table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document branch_item_rules table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document the biblio_framework table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document aqbasket table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document action_logs table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Update ratings table documentation
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document branchtransfers table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document aqorders_items table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document the aqorders table
18:13 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 6716: Document aqbudgets and aqbudgetperiods tables
18:13 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8130: Followup: errors must be a hashref
18:13 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8130: [SIGNED-OFF] Followup - Empty file upload error never displays.
18:13 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8130 [FOLLOW-UP] attach PDF files to a patron record
18:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #789: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/789/
18:13 oleonard Is there a standardized way of doing it?
18:12 mbalmer oh yes
18:12 oleonard Is "SHOW COLUMNS" mysql-specific?
17:32 cait hm
17:31 jcamins drojf: cait: well, maybe I can use the book for divination.
17:31 cait dice?
17:30 drojf the trick with the stock market is, it does not work
17:30 drojf :)
17:29 jcamins drojf: actually, I'd like to learn how the stock market works so that I can invest enough for C & P to be able to donate *all* the labor, and not just half of it.
17:28 mbalmer ola
17:28 jcamins Though that's accounting not finance.
17:28 drojf s/on/for
17:27 jcamins Exactly.
17:27 drojf he wants to handle $70000 on a search rewrite
17:27 jcamins cait: so that I know more about finance.
17:26 cait why are you doing that to yourself?
17:26 jcamins Fortunately I have one week until the homework is due.
17:26 jcamins Exactly.
17:26 jcamins Hehe.
17:26 drojf it's good to let it sink in a little after some pages ;)
17:25 jcamins drojf: well, I read three and a half pages of the book this morning.
17:24 jcamins drojf: I started reading the book this morning.
17:24 jcamins cait: I know.
17:23 cait but that comment was for drojf ;)
17:23 drojf when did you start?
17:23 jcamins lol
17:23 cait did you fall asleep yet?
17:23 jcamins I'm on page 4 of the text.
17:23 * jcamins is taking a finance class online.
17:19 cait shouldn't you be working on your studies? :P
17:19 cait drojf: :)
17:18 * drojf gives master a cookie
17:12 jcamins Oh look, Master is still unstable.
17:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #789 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 19 days ago)
17:10 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8083 follow-up DBRev number
17:10 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_8083: Explanation of update query
17:10 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_8083: parameters subpermissions: manage_circ_rules and parameters_remaining_permissions
17:10 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 8268 Followup for creating var spool subdir.
17:10 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8453: Add spaces to inventory options
17:10 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8458 - $stemmed_operand in C4::Search _build_stemmed_operand is not initialized. Added =q{} to initialize it to the empty string at declaration time.
17:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #788: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/788/
17:09 jcamins Yup.
17:09 drojf the other removes results later i guess
17:09 jcamins Right.
17:08 drojf opacsuppression just adds a string to teh search query, so i suppose that works ok
17:08 jcamins opacsuppression is different.
17:07 cait might be similar but not sure
17:07 cait and if the numbering wasn't removed, it woudl have holes
17:07 drojf ah ok. but i extended opacsuppression
17:07 cait if you use opachiddenitems the numbering is removed and you don't always have the same number of records on each page
17:07 drojf :)
17:06 drojf good idea
17:06 cait it skips
17:06 cait sorry, trying to not drop tomato juice on the laptop
17:06 cait too much
17:06 cait maybe :)
17:05 drojf cait: now that i seem to have a basic patch for opac suppression for ips outside of a certain ip range, what is the problem with opacsuppression and page numbering?
16:57 drojf that was too much ;)
16:47 cait paul_p: I have to add something about the xslt - I tihnk we should make it easy for libraries to have options without having to be programmers. Your own XSLT is never going to see new features on updates and it's a pain if you want to have multiple languages which libraries here want and need.
16:37 cait hm
16:36 jcamins cait: nah, I lost interest.
16:35 * cait is sorry for commenting and storming out
16:35 cait still discussing the pref? :)
16:31 jcamins Good call.
16:31 jcamins It would've been .XXX.
16:31 jcamins oleonard: ooh, it probably wasn't automatically picked up.
16:30 oleonard jcamins: Did you run the db update?
16:30 gaetan_B bye !
16:30 jcamins Probably needed to reindex or something.
16:30 jcamins Eh.
16:30 jcamins oleonard: hm. I didn't even see the library name.
16:29 oleonard "Don't show": http://screencast.com/t/ev5tNZYSvxi "Show": http://screencast.com/t/wn8bWUlM
16:28 cait hi #koha
16:23 drojf i'm late for the party, but +1 for sysprefs. as long as they make sense and the default is sane, there cannot be enough. maybe there could be an "advanced settings" setting if people think it is getting to much, but we should not deny people options
16:19 jcamins Not even which library owns it.
16:19 jcamins Yup.
16:19 oleonard Are we talking about Bug 5409?
16:17 jcamins oleonard: really? All I'm seeing with the patch applied is call number.
16:17 jcamins I can run it on my servers.
16:17 oleonard That's not the behavior I saw
16:17 * jcamins throws the patch back on the floor.
16:14 jcamins When it's set to "Show," little information is shown.
16:14 jcamins When it's set to "Don't show," no information is shown at all.
16:14 jcamins (just now)
16:14 jcamins Yeah, I tested the bugfix.
16:14 oleonard Oh wait, maybe the reason it worked for me was because I was testing a bugfix for it...
16:12 jcamins When it's turned on.
16:11 oleonard Well, it still shows library and item count
16:10 jcamins It seems to hide *all* information about items.
16:10 jcamins Not very well described, is it?
16:10 jcamins This does something completely different.
16:10 * jcamins tests OPACItemsResultsDisplay.
16:10 paul_p oleonard++
16:08 * jcamins will just switch sysprefs.
16:06 jcamins Yes, and the QA comment was "don't reindent."
16:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #788 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 19 days ago)
16:06 oleonard A huge wall of comments can be daunting.
16:05 jcamins oleonard: all I did was rebase based on the final QA comments.
16:05 oleonard Hence my comment: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079#c1 :P
16:04 jcamins Hm, why don't we just use that?
16:04 * jcamins goes looking for it.
16:04 jcamins Thanks.
16:04 oleonard Searching > Results Display
16:03 jcamins Where would I find it?
16:03 jcamins Hm.
16:03 oleonard Tested it recently.
16:03 oleonard I am.
16:03 jcamins Right.
16:03 oleonard jcamins: Am I sure OPACItemsResultsDisplay exists?
16:02 kf have to go :)
16:02 jcamins (still)
16:02 jcamins oleonard: are you sure it exists?
16:02 kf and it might not have this specific setting
16:02 kf jcamins: I think it works only for normal view, there is a bug somewhere
16:02 oleonard I think it does the same thing to the "normal" display, but I'm not clear on what all 5079 does
16:02 kf and I think we need this one :)
16:02 kf I think sysprefs give great strength to koha being flexible, yes they are somtimes a pain and some could be on a different level working even better in more detail...
16:01 jcamins oleonard: I don't think so, no. Does that syspref already do what we want?
16:01 kf I think oleonard found the one :)
16:01 wahanui kf is, like, cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert
16:01 paul_p kf ?
16:01 oleonard jcamins: Does bug 5079 supercede the OPACItemsResultsDisplay preference?
16:00 jcamins gaetan_B: I don't think so.
16:00 jcamins They do, yes. This is a new policy.
16:00 kf paul_p: not sure what it is called right now, but there is one to change item display on result lists for normal view, so why not have one for xslt?
16:00 jcamins I fixed that.
16:00 jcamins Yeah, the spacing was a big issue.
15:59 kf paul_p: I disagree about havint too many system preferences and it used to be a pref for the normal view too
15:59 gaetan_B eythian++
15:59 eythian you clearly need a syspref which, when set, shows you all the extra sysprefs.
15:59 gaetan_B when editing authority types subfields, there is a "Select to display or not:" dropdown menu, is there a way to hide the field when the authority is displayed but not when it is being edited ?
15:58 libsysguy i feel like changes to the display of the opac generally require a syspref don't they?
15:57 libsysguy i know paul_p had an issue with the spacing at first
15:57 libsysguy jcamins I think it was requested somewhere in the bug for QA comments
15:57 paul_p jcamins = side comment: we will organise a hackfest in Marseille next march, as this year. You'll be more than welcome to join us !
15:56 jcamins paul_p: but it sounds like actual users like oleonard feel that it is important to be able to enable these things individually.
15:56 paul_p jcamins (one of my 1st goal for next "Hackfest in Europe" will be to have a team working on listing them all & discuss !)
15:56 paul_p jcamins = because we have too many, and I really want to fight against those that we don't need !
15:55 jcamins paul_p: it's easy enough to remove the syspref, but I don't really see any reason not to keep it.
15:55 * eythian publishes 3.8.3 packages, finally.
15:52 paul_p wow, I hope we can change some things if we think it's for a better usability ! and in this case, I strongly think it is !
15:52 jcamins I thought the argument was that this was a change to the display, which is unacceptable for existing Koha libraries.
15:51 paul_p jcamins (imo, if a library don't have the skill or the funding to have it's own XSLT, then she will be OK with the default one -with the location &callnumber added-)
15:50 jcamins eythian: ugh. Well, at least it's working now.
15:50 jcamins libsysguy_afk: do you remember why you redid the patch for bug 5079? Originally it didn't have a syspref, and I had understood that the reason you redid it was because it failed QA for not having a syspref.
15:49 paul_p (or I don't remember it)
15:49 paul_p jcamins I don't think so
15:49 jcamins I thought there was a different patch which added the information without the syspref that was submitted for 3.8.
15:49 eythian jcamins: looks like it was the space, it's happy now. What a terrible error message :)
15:48 jcamins Right, but that's on the bug including the syspref.
15:48 paul_p jcamins my 1st comment: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5079#c15
15:47 jcamins So bug 5079 was reported.
15:47 jcamins paul_p: my understanding was that there was a patch without a syspref that was failed from 3.8 *because* it didn't have a syspref.
15:47 paul_p I don't think so
15:47 wahanui jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
15:47 paul_p jcamins ???
15:47 paul_p jcamins = I think we should just display the location by default.
15:46 jcamins The entire point of that bug was that there had to be a syspref, because for 3.8 you objected to adding the collection code without a syspref, wasn't it?
15:46 paul_p otherwise, i'll say "add a syspref to display the barcode", "add a syspref to display the return date" ...
15:46 jcamins The syspref is to that the library is able to use the feature.
15:46 paul_p + I agree that it's good to have it, i'm not objecting that. What i'm objecting is that we add a syspref. If we have XSLT, it's to let the library be able to define the display. We don't need an alternate way to configure it
15:45 jcamins And that's only with four options.
15:45 jcamins Yikes!
15:45 jcamins Then 8, 16...
15:45 jcamins And then there would be another on/off option, so we'd have four files.
15:45 jcamins Then we'd have to update *two* files every time we had a change to the results.
15:45 jcamins That would be even worse!
15:44 paul_p jcamins = so we could provide an alternate XSLT in KOHA itself (or on the wiki, or anywhere)
15:44 jcamins They install Koha, and find that they want to display the collection code or location.
15:43 * jcamins works with some of them, but a lot more can't even afford C & P.
15:43 jcamins The idea behind the syspref is that little libraries who don't have much technical expertise use Koha too.
15:43 paul_p jcamins = argue pls
15:43 jcamins I disagree that it is useless.
15:43 paul_p hi jcamins. The problem is the useless syspref
15:42 jcamins paul_p: what is the problem with bug 5079?
15:37 eythian http://imgur.com/A8SlG <-- NSFW :)
15:37 eythian I think maybe it's cleaning up after the failure, so it looks like space is free
15:37 eythian maybe the space thing was right
15:31 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
15:31 eythian interesting
15:31 eythian ohh
15:31 eythian internal error: mkdir /tmp/Uotlf6lrwh/binary/koha: No space left on device
15:31 eythian well, doing just debuild worked...
15:29 eythian heh
15:28 tcohen apt-get install gzip? :-P
15:21 eythian shouldn't be, everything completes up to this point
15:20 tcohen error creating a temporary dir?
15:19 eythian (which shouldn't cause this)
15:19 eythian nope. I used the same layout to build a different version moments before, though in between I'd done a pbuilder udpate
15:18 jcamins -x permissions on a directory?
15:18 jcamins Uhhh...
15:17 eythian nope, checked that
15:17 jcamins Out of space?
15:16 eythian the built works fine, it just fails right at the end when making the package
15:16 eythian drat
15:16 jcamins eythian: no I have not.
15:16 jcamins Yikes!
15:15 * mtompset waves.
15:14 mtompset I better leave before curiosity catches me.
15:14 eythian dpkg-deb: error: subprocess <compress> from tar -cf returned error exit status 2
15:14 eythian dpkg-deb (subprocess): compressing data member: internal gzip write error: 'No such file or directory'
15:14 eythian dpkg-deb: building package `koha-common' in `../koha-common_3.8.3-1_all.deb'.
15:14 eythian jcamins: you ever seen this?
15:14 mtompset And worse... hook it into Koha.
15:13 mtompset I'm sure someone is going to write some sucky authentication method patched through SimpleSAMLPHP. :P
15:12 eythian LAMP implies PHP, beware of that :)
15:12 mtompset Think it is time to sleep.
15:12 jcamins mtompset: both of those make sense.
15:12 mtompset Well, I feel my brain oozing as my language skills failing.\
15:11 mtompset And also mention that a base install of SSH server and LAMP server is good?
15:10 mtompset Perhaps we should suggest the server versions, and provide links?
15:10 mtompset Actually, the one thing the install instructions don't say is which very of 12.04 and which version 10.04
15:05 paul_p silly internet connection...
15:05 paul_p hi kf. I did not knew I was away...
15:05 mtompset Why would bugzilla mass mail for things like adding myself to the CC?
15:05 kf did we agree on 10th? magnuse?
15:05 kf wb paul_p
15:04 * mtompset laughs,.
15:03 oleonard Gmail: "BREAKING NEWS: MTOMPSET HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE CC FIELD OF THIS BUG!"
15:03 jcamins lol
15:03 tcohen :-P
15:03 kf they are! :)
15:03 tcohen maybe Koha is important for you?
15:03 kf lol
15:03 oleonard I must have spent too much time reading Bugzilla emails last week. Gmail is marking every single one "important" now
15:00 tcohen mm, good idea kf
15:00 kf tcohen: I think maybe point to the po file directory?
15:00 kf tcohen: I think we are using iso codes - but the codes are differnt to those used in pootle in some cases
14:59 tcohen network is slow, i'm waiting for a git pull still...
14:58 mtompset I've put myself on the CC list, I'll check email tomorrow and see it. :)
14:58 tcohen any correction you suggest will be welcomed
14:57 tcohen mtompset, i'm about to post a patch in bug 8478
14:47 mtompset That may merit a wiki update tomorrow.
14:46 mtompset I hadn't considered other languages during install.
14:46 mtompset Silly me and my English-ist ways.
14:44 tcohen I just want to point potential users to a list of language codes
14:44 tcohen (that's what I wrote)
14:44 tcohen $ perl translate install <language-code>
14:44 tcohen $ cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator
14:44 tcohen Run the translator script:
14:44 tcohen $ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/
14:44 tcohen $ export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml
14:44 tcohen Set your environment variables:
14:44 tcohen to your language:
14:44 tcohen In your install directory you can run this commands to have your Koha setup translated
14:44 tcohen 7. Install additional languages
14:43 mtompset The only reference to Templates is in the Upgrade section.
14:42 tcohen mtompset: 'get your templates translated'?
14:42 wahanui i guess translating is ok of course :)
14:42 mtompset translating?
14:41 magnuse ah
14:41 tcohen in INSTALL.ubuntu
14:41 tcohen no, for giving instrucions on translating your koha setup
14:41 magnuse tcohen: for use in marc records?
14:40 tcohen to point users to it
14:40 tcohen is there a place to look for languages codes?
14:35 mtompset Ubuntu will never grow up if it keeps going home. :P
14:34 jcamins Working pretty well, too.
14:33 mtompset You are trying to push my buttons. :P
14:33 jcamins mtompset: pfft. I do "sudo apt-get install koha-common" and don't worry about how to use dselect. :P
14:32 mtompset It was so glorious just doing the single dselect and not having to hunt for missing pieces.
14:30 mtompset (under 12.04)
14:30 mtompset That's the beauty of this 3.6.7 -- we got CPAN-less if you use cron jobs.
14:29 jcamins Everything that I think I might use gets built into a package.
14:29 mtompset I'm a purist.
14:28 * mtompset cringes.
14:28 jcamins Yup.
14:28 mtompset external non-default repo? :P
14:28 * tcohen neither cared, that's why he abandoned his proposal
14:28 jcamins mtompset: I don't use CPAN.
14:28 jcamins To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between fredericd's daemon and yours, other than that yours required rebasing.
14:28 mtompset 3.6.7 and cron jobs do that for me. :)
14:27 mtompset I want to stick with my CPAN-less install. :P
14:27 * jcamins didn't care what approach was used, but the rebasing was problematic.
14:26 tcohen that's why I liked my approach, we could have had this sorted out until someone had the time to integrate those libs...
14:25 jcamins tcohen: makes sense. That's why I haven't made any efforts to adjust the docs.
14:24 tcohen at least until koha-pkg-index-daemon is included somewhere
14:24 tcohen until we sort this out
14:24 tcohen jcamins: i'll leave the zebr apart of the docs untouched
14:23 mtompset http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5600
14:23 mtompset I'm checking on the moose::util::typeconstraints too.
14:22 mtompset Yep.
14:22 tcohen mtompset: we're missing libanyevent-processor-perl
14:22 jcamins After the struggle with bug 5600, I think fredericd probably decided it wasn't worth the hassle.
14:21 jcamins tcohen: not to my knowledge.
14:21 mtompset but then we won't have a CPAN-less install... NOOOOOO!
14:21 * eythian has published 3.6.7 packages, working on 3.8.3
14:21 tcohen is Tamil working on that?
14:21 jcamins tcohen: that makes sense to me.
14:20 tcohen and include the daemon scripts
14:20 tcohen we should have it integrated
14:20 tcohen jcamins: I still don't like to have the index updater outside the koha tree
14:20 jcamins *me
14:19 jcamins Thanks for remind mge.
14:19 mtompset just discovered I didn't install apt-file on my new 3.6.7
14:19 jcamins Actually, I need to revise koha-pkg-index-daemon.
14:18 jcamins (koha-pkg-index-daemon is a script I wrote, and sent a pull request about to fredericd)
14:17 jcamins tcohen: I just symlinked koha-pkg-index-daemon into /etc/init.d
14:15 tcohen do we have a way to set it to run on startup?
14:15 tcohen jcamins: even when koha-index-daemon is suitable for production
14:12 mtompset Sure, you have my email.
14:12 tcohen i'm rewriting INSTALL.ubuntu, as soon as I have it i'll send the patch so you can review it
14:11 wahanui somebody said mtompset was a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks.
14:11 tcohen mtompset
14:11 mtompset Okay, then we should also review the wiki page to see if we can CPAN-less this. :)
14:11 jcamins For development/testing I prefer the cron job.
14:10 jcamins At least for production.
14:10 jcamins mtompset: I prefer koha-index-daemon.
14:10 jcamins Yeah.
14:10 mtompset Next question is: is this the preferred method for indexing?
14:10 tcohen yeah
14:09 eythian Would probably make more sense with solr
14:09 tcohen we could rename that table to indexingqueue
14:08 mtompset Okay, I'll change the wording to say Index.
14:08 jcamins That's koha-index-daemon
14:08 tcohen which is confusing
14:08 tcohen what I mean is the first option in INSTALL.* is to run zebra from comand line
14:08 jcamins mtompset: no, but that's not zebraqueue daemon.
14:07 tcohen no, it isnt
14:07 mtompset That is deprecated?
14:07 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Background_indexing_with_Zebra
14:07 wahanui the zebra daemon is probably required.
14:07 tcohen the zebra daemon
14:07 tcohen not the zebraqueue daemon
14:06 jcamins Zebraqueue daemon is deprecated and should be removed.
14:06 jcamins Don't.
14:06 mtompset I have never tried the Zebra Queue Daemon
14:06 tcohen i'm putting the zebra daemon instructions as default
14:06 tcohen thanks, that's why I asked about the zebra daemon
14:05 mtompset If there is anything confusing or conflicting with what you are working on, let me know.
14:04 tcohen INSTALL.ubuntu.precise actually
14:04 mtompset I made sure it was up to date.
14:04 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
14:04 tcohen for sending a patch
14:04 tcohen i'm tweaking that file
14:04 mtompset I should have tweaked INSTALL.ubuntu
14:03 jcamins I just follow the instructions in INSTALL.debian.
14:03 jcamins tcohen: what do you mean?
14:03 jcamins eythian++
14:02 * eythian builds 3.6.7 packages
14:01 tcohen <un-pause>
13:58 mtompset Use.
13:58 tcohen question: which is the recommended reference for setting the zebra daemon?
13:58 mtompset I have a newer version.
13:58 tcohen mtompset: nice script
13:57 tcohen hi #koha
13:45 eythian or borrowerid
13:45 eythian Also, you don't have a real borrower account which causes weirdness
13:45 jcamins Oh, that was oleonard asking.
13:45 jcamins Right.
13:44 oleonard ...because it's not a real user account with settings like "home library," permissions, etc.
13:44 oleonard The system isn't designed to accommodate usage by that user
13:43 oleonard Things will not work properly
13:43 mtompset Other than it is bad practice, is there another reason?
13:42 jcamins Right.
13:42 mtompset except for the web install and the first time you install?
13:40 jcamins You shouldn't ever log in as your super user.
13:39 mtompset I see someone couldn't handle NO_LIBRARY_SET as the branch name. :)
13:31 mtompset Assuming IntranetFavicon is unset.
13:30 mtompset there's no such directory.
13:30 mtompset if themelang is undefined that will look for http://.../includes/favicon.ico
13:29 mtompset <link rel="shortcut icon" href="[% IF ( IntranetFavicon ) %][% IntranetFavicon %][% ELSE %][% themelang %]/includes/favicon.ico[% END %]" type="image/x-icon" />
13:29 mtompset I was just looking at the tweaks I made in my mad run to get 3.6.3 working.
13:28 mtompset Greetings, wizzyrea
13:28 * magnuse waves at wizzyrea
13:28 jcamins Probably, but it shouldn't be.
13:28 mtompset is it ever possible that is it undefined?
13:27 jcamins (if you haven't set up any languages)
13:27 jcamins mtompset: it depends on what language you have configured, but I imagine it's usually 'en'.
13:26 mtompset By the way, what is the default value of [% themelang %]?
13:26 * wizzyrea waves
13:23 mtompset I just read the help file.
13:23 eythian you don't want to use DROP
13:22 mtompset There is DROP, REGAIN, RECLAIM.
13:21 mtompset Probably a DROP to NickServ.
13:19 eythian I think it activates a server command that talks to nickserv
13:19 eythian to me
13:19 eythian Gebruik: GHOST <nick> [password], Kills a ghosted nickname
13:19 eythian /help ghost says:
13:18 mtompset There's no /ghost
13:10 jcamins And then they're given the nick Guest12345 or something like that.
13:10 eythian or /msg nickserv reclaim
13:09 eythian yeah, I think so
13:09 jcamins I think you use /ghost?
13:08 eythian No, but you can (I think) ask NickServ to kick people using your nick now
13:07 mtompset So basically I msg NickServ an identify with password and nick next time, and the old one will be kicked?
13:04 mtompset Okay, now to register.
13:00 eythian http://www.oftc.net/oftc/Services/
13:00 mtompset_ How do you register?
12:59 eythian if not, just wait for it to time out
12:59 eythian if you've registered, yes
12:59 mtompset_ Is there a way to kick the old me?
12:58 kf oleonard: true :(
12:57 mtompset_ Hmm... must have had a bad net connection.
12:54 magnuse ooh, plack 1.0: https://metacpan.org/release/MIYAGAWA/Plack-1.0000
12:25 oleonard Poor gmcharlt, we go looking for him because we like hanging out with his friend.
12:24 kf mveron++ indeed :)
12:24 magnuse mveron++
12:24 kf oleonard: I think we have to find gmcharlt
12:17 oleonard Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621
12:17 * oleonard searches in vain for huginn
12:16 * mveron after signing off one of the oldest bugs from dashborad has now to do some Non-Koha-work - and hopes that in the meantime someone will have time to Re-Sign-Off Bug 7621 :-)
12:10 mtompset And I have got the cascading working for mostly everything else.
12:08 mtompset Thanks for the good word.
12:08 mtompset Yes, that is true. :)
12:07 oleonard Okay. But isn't it nice to hear that the thing you're complaining about is fixed in a later version?
12:07 mtompset I'm dealing with 3.6.7 :P
12:07 oleonard There is in master
12:06 mtompset There's no div.
12:06 mtompset not trying to change the logo... the area in the staff client... below the "circulation, patrons, etc. etc." and before the "Home > ..."
12:05 oleonard What logo are you trying to change mtompset ?
12:04 mtompset Very annoying.
12:04 mtompset That search area and logo doesn't have a div on it.
12:04 mtompset I'm ALMOST there.
12:03 * mtompset is taking oleonard's advice to style more nicely, with the impending upgrade for our library coming up.
12:00 kf eythian: 17 now and wifi :)
12:00 * kf waves
12:00 reiveune bye
11:59 NateC Hi magnuse!
11:59 magnuse kia ora NateC and oleonard
11:58 oleonard Hi #koha
11:55 mtj a hugginkissin
11:55 mtj slef: i need a huggin
11:33 mtompset only if you can solve my body.border=10px solid red problem. :)
11:24 slef anyone like to do a bit of clicktivism to help make Olympics sponsors pay their taxes? https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/olympic-tax-dodging
11:22 slef hi magnuse
11:19 kf oh, and did you like it?
11:19 eythian kf: we had takeaway from there the other day, but that's it.
11:18 magnuse jcamins: thanks!
11:18 jcamins Hi magnuse. Welcome back!
11:18 kf it was yum.
11:17 magnuse and hiya slef and jcamins
11:17 magnuse lebanese_food++
11:17 jcamins Mmm. Lebanese food.
11:15 kf we went there at the hackfest this year
11:15 kf yes
11:14 eythian The lebanese one?
11:14 eythian kf: which one?
11:09 slef hi all
11:09 slef mtj: we've something. What did you need?
10:42 magnuse nice!
10:41 kf magnuse: he is!
10:39 magnuse eythian is in marseille?
10:39 kf eythian: have you been to the restaurant opposite of biblibre yet?
10:37 davidnind they always seem to be having holidays in the northern hemisphere!
10:37 davidnind 10:30pm in Wellington, NZ - not too late yet
10:36 magnuse and holidays for a lot of people in the northern hemisphere, probably
10:36 eythian oh yeah, lunch
10:36 kf aren't you up late? :)
10:36 kf lunch time in europe :)
10:35 davidnind looks quiet in here this <whatever time it is wherever you are>
10:33 davidnind hi kf :)
10:32 kf hi davidnind :)
10:19 kf cool :)
10:12 mtj all good!
10:11 mtj lol, you are right :)
10:11 kf so if you hide all items... the record vanishes too (I think) would need a little test
10:10 kf mtj: I think the record is hidden when no items
10:10 mtj and its more work, as each bib needs it 942$n set manually to 1
10:09 mtj so, we gotta use opac-suppress, not opac-hidden-items
10:08 mtj hmm, i think the catch is... we want the items hidden from the opac, at the bib level, not item level :/
09:59 mtj meh, no huggles :/
09:59 mtj @seen oleonard
09:58 mtj kf: thanx - i'm actually looking for the 'opachiddenitems' syspref :)
09:58 rangi we should fix it
09:58 rangi also, that feature kinda sux anyway
09:57 rangi ah yep, brain just skips it
09:57 kf it's doubled up
09:57 kf the the
09:57 kf rangi: I showed it to you too and you didn't see it :)
09:57 kf lol
09:57 kf there is more
09:57 rangi hmm where's the typo ?
09:56 kf yeah, I saw that too
09:56 kf hehe
09:55 magnuse oops typo in opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-topissues.tt:123 - pootle is telling me to translate "of the the last:"
09:55 rangi cya drojf
09:53 drojf have a nice day #koha
09:53 drojf that reminds me, should do other things today. better get a shower
09:53 drojf i'm more of a pile person :D
09:52 rangi not pile more on top :)
09:52 rangi but like kf says, we need to fix the existing bugs first
09:52 rangi extending that, to take borrower category into account shouldnt be that hard
09:51 rangi thats for the suppression one, the opachiddenitems you can hide a type of items
09:51 mtj ... stick a '1' in the 942$n field
09:51 mtj you edit the bib, not the item
09:51 mtj ah, ok - i got it :)
09:50 magnuse i have had a couple libraries interested in that
09:50 drojf so our opac won't be an opac
09:50 magnuse yeah, that could come in handy
09:50 rangi yep
09:50 rangi even the people who are allowed to
09:50 drojf we have a lot of tv recordings that are not allowed to be found from outside
09:50 rangi thus, never seen by anyone
09:49 rangi so it never gets catalogued
09:49 drojf yes that would be cool
09:49 rangi i know special libraries often have stuff that only certain of their staff can see
09:49 rangi so even if you logged in, but you werent a certain type of user you couldnt see it
09:49 kf but it would be nice if we got the paging and numbering sorted out for hiding stuff
09:48 rangi hiding for certain categories of borrowers too
09:48 kf yes it would be .)
09:48 kf drojf: hm I don't think so, you can only make it totally hidden
09:48 rangi drojf: not yet, but it would be handy
09:48 kf http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2009-March/032044.html
09:48 drojf there did not come an option to hide by ip or hide from people not logged in by any chance?
09:48 kf you use a field in the record and 0/1 I think
09:47 kf look for suppress something
09:47 kf I think ther is a description on the system preference
09:47 mtj oops, flag :)
09:47 mtj yep, where/how to set that fag, tho?
09:46 kf or you can use a flag on the record
09:46 kf there is no special status
09:46 kf it's done with a rule I think, like always hide this collection
09:46 kf or opac there are at least 2 optiions I think, opacsuppression and opachiddensomthing
09:46 mtj but, how do i change an item's status to hide
09:46 kf but not sure it would make sense to hide them in staff?
09:45 kf only in opac
09:45 kf mtj: you can't suppress tem in staff
09:45 mtj anyone remember?
09:45 mtj i cant find the option in edit-items, etc...
09:44 mtj off-topic, how to hide/suppress items in teh staff-interface?
09:44 eythian yeah, saw that :/
09:43 mtj meh, that is crappy
09:43 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/7334039/Margaret-Mahy-dies
09:42 rangi margaret mahy died
09:42 rangi oh crappy
09:39 kf eythian++ :)
09:17 magnuse cool
09:14 eythian Maybe something else for the next day or two, I want to do it really soon as it's blocking new master packages.
09:14 eythian I've done experimental builds of it, but need to give them a bit of polish.
09:13 eythian Not yet
09:10 magnuse no libchi-perl yet?
09:08 drojf cool, thanks
09:08 eythian drojf: today or tomorrow hopefully
09:08 drojf eythian: any idea when packages for 3.8.3 are coming?
09:02 magnuse cool, thanks
09:02 rangi yep thats it
09:02 magnuse ah, could be
09:02 eythian Required vs. optional? (just guessing)
09:01 magnuse s/om/on/
09:00 magnuse feels like i should know this, but why are some of the modules om the "perl modules" page in the staff client in bold and some not?
08:59 muzu hi drojf
08:58 muzu hi
08:57 drojf heh eythian
08:57 eythian Oh man, I was going to apply for that. Now there's all this competition...
08:56 drojf :)
08:56 samuel good idea
08:56 * rangi sends his cv
08:54 drojf …
08:54 drojf yes cool website! ptfs is looking for an ils system administrator
08:44 samuel drojf: yes, when i see cod4libs and all the jobs, it's a dream. In germany or In France, we are less pragmatic and open-minded for that.
08:43 rangi thats what i look for in a job applicant
08:43 rangi practical for how, theory for why
08:43 rangi a mix is good
08:41 drojf samuel: that's the way you learn the stuff you actually need to know. in germany you are often considered not worth anything without a sheet of paper saying you did that all in theory
08:41 rangi samuel: you could also mail the list, i think some others would be using one too
08:39 samuel mtompset: in France, people like me have not master in librarian science, we learn at work (with our high school and exams so boring, it's more exciting to learn by yourself and at work)
08:39 mtompset The words SharePoint Designer made it unattractive. :)
08:38 drojf good day #koha
08:38 drojf "Data librarian. Tags: Data management, Microsoft Access, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft SharePoint Designer" does not sound very attractive
08:37 samuel rangi: ok
08:37 mtompset Just a passing thought. ;)
08:37 rangi samuel: lee at butte montana is using EDS with Koha
08:37 Brooke no
08:36 samuel i don't think so
08:35 mtompset So I should go back to school for a masters in librarian sciences as I already have a BMath in CompSci?
08:35 eythian IT'
08:35 eythian Well, 'I' is half of '
08:34 rangi yeah, it's a growing field
08:32 samuel yes and when i've discovered this link http://jobs.code4lib.org/, i was very surprised, i've never seen so many jobs for IT librarian
08:31 * mtompset grins.
08:30 Brooke in the Librarian Mad Max scenario, I'd win. #justsayin'
08:30 rangi however that is a very tiny library to be wanting one
08:30 samuel a rare specie
08:30 rangi the point stands, its a real job, its quite common in libraries of a certain size
08:30 mtompset A planet of just librarians... we'd be fighting over cataloguing standards instead of land and resources.\
08:30 rangi well it would be pointless to have a billion system librarians without billions of librarians surely?
08:29 mtompset Billions of workers regardless of occupation. :P
08:29 rangi yeah, billions of librians
08:29 mtompset Out of population of billions, show how rare they are.
08:28 Brooke thousands of systems librarians, I believe
08:27 samuel rangi: thousands of those what?
08:24 rangi i just liked professionist as a word
08:24 samuel mtompset: not exactly, here is a good link http://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/889250-264/the_next_generation_of_discovery.html.csp
08:24 rangi theres thousands of those :-)
08:24 rangi you mean like a systems librarian?
08:23 mtompset That's crazy! He wants a librarian-sysadmin.
08:23 samuel Brooke: in France, it is not well known for the moment, it's like an UFO for some people :-) . Actually, we have met EBSCO and Worldcat. At the end of august, we will meet Ex libris and summon. So, we are open but we want something which can good run with koha.
08:21 rangi someone elses turn
08:21 * rangi grins at the latest mailing list mail
08:20 mtompset So would thesocialopac.net be something like what you are thinking of?
08:20 Brooke samuel: if you name which one you're thinking on, it might help me think on who might have
08:17 magnuse ooh 178 new bugs while i was away...
08:17 samuel yes
08:17 magnuse like vufind, blacklight etc?
08:16 mtompset What is a discovery tool?
08:16 mtompset discovery tool?
08:16 samuel other question (less stupid), we plan to install a discovery tool in our library. Does someone have experience about discovery tool with koha?
08:15 mtompset ^that^than^
08:15 mtompset Is there more to say about the Dashboard that just the one section you have? If so, I'd create a Dashboard page. Just my opinion.
08:12 magnuse mveron++
08:12 samuel no problem, that's more clear now
08:12 rangi sweet thank you
08:12 magnuse mtompset: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:Global_bug_squashing_days
08:12 mveron rangi: I linked the dashboard on the wike mainpage under "Koha Community Sites (and their status)"
08:12 Brooke would y'all like a separate page highlighting the dashboard on the wiki or is the stuff at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes going to do the trick?
08:12 mtompset Oh, so I got the wrong conjugation. :P
08:11 wahanui hmmm... gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day
08:11 magnuse gbsd?
08:11 Brooke o/
08:11 mtompset Global Bug Squishing Day.
08:11 wahanui samuel: Daemons did it
08:11 samuel excuse me (stupid question) but could you explain what is gbsd?
08:11 kf not sure he will have time one day before his big vacation
08:10 mtompset But it would have to be 3, if we want his expertise and wisdom too. ;)
08:09 kf but he can make his employees join us ;)
08:09 paul_p mtate yes, I'm on vacation from aug 4th to Aug 26
08:09 mtompset didn't paul_p say he was on vacation August 4th?
08:08 magnuse i'd vote for 10th - it's the day before my birthday :-)
08:07 kf concentrating on shaking out some bugs / testing master
08:07 kf any preference? we were debating august 3rd or 10th
08:06 paul_p (for those not in holiday, of course... which is not a lot of ppl)
08:06 paul_p kf (& magnuse) well, last month, we did nothing, because we were busy & there was no official GBSD. But if you set a date for a new one, we will join !
08:05 magnuse bonjour paul_p and samuel
08:05 kf paul_p: do you still do the community fridays at biblibre? we were discussing a new date for gbsd on a friday in the next 2 weeks
08:05 samuel hi everybody
08:05 paul_p hello #koha
08:05 kf morning paul_p
08:05 kf or august 10th
08:05 kf so maybe august 3rd
08:05 kf k
08:04 magnuse week after next would be good for me, give me some time to catch up, but that's just me...
08:04 magnuse yeah, i'd vote for a friday, i think
08:03 kf do we have a preferred day? maybe friday?
08:03 magnuse yeah, sounds sensible
08:02 kf I think maybe sometime next week or the week after next?
08:02 kf not sure about the schedule right now - what date would make sense?
08:02 kf hm
08:02 kf so let's not forget the idea until you have sorted through the mails
08:02 magnuse want to propose a date?
08:02 magnuse yeah, excellent idea kf
08:02 magnuse kf: yeah, been off the lists for 3 whole weeks, lots of catching up to do
08:02 rangi thats a good idea
08:01 kf magnuse: maybe we shoul dhave a gbsd soon- concentrating on testing master?
08:01 magnuse kf: hiya and thanks!
08:01 eythian hello kf
08:01 kf :)
08:01 kf morning eythian
08:00 kf magnuse: discovering all the shiny things done while you were away? :)
08:00 rangi mveron: yep, you can do the wiki :) ill ask liz to add it to the main site :)
08:00 eythian bonjour, magnuse
08:00 kf hi magnuse - great to have you back :)
08:00 rangi needs work before 3.10, but hopefully we can get that done
08:00 magnuse ooh, the solr stuff got pushed? cool!
07:59 magnuse kia ora eythian!
07:57 mveron The Koha Dashboard is really great. Will it be linked in the list of Community ressources on http://koha-community.org/ ? And on the Wiki?
07:50 magnuse jcamins++ then :-)
07:50 rangi jcamins++
07:50 rangi ahh that was jcamins
07:50 magnuse rangi++ for sign-off'ers in the release notes :-)
07:50 rangi :)
07:49 magnuse :-)
07:49 magnuse yeah, and none of my customers use fines
07:49 rangi apart from that
07:49 rangi but it mostly works
07:48 rangi still some outstanding bugs around fines
07:48 * magnuse plans to upgrade his customers as soon as possible
07:47 magnuse rangi++ for 3.8.3 too!
07:47 rangi :)
07:47 magnuse getting into the "Monthly Scoreboard" list is certainly a motivation
07:46 magnuse very much so!
07:46 rangi i hoped you'd like it
07:46 magnuse rangi++ for the dashboard!
07:45 magnuse s/seady/steady/
07:45 rangi :)
07:43 magnuse leonard is growing at a seady pace, it seems
07:43 magnuse doing good! ;-)
07:43 rangi hows the family?
07:42 magnuse long time no see - good to be back
07:41 magnuse kia ora rangi and #koha!
07:40 rangi hi matts and magnuse
07:39 matts hi !
07:25 kf evening rangi
07:25 rangi evening
07:22 kf thx :)
07:22 kf lol
07:22 mveron :-)
07:22 mveron kf: I could give you my diver eyeglasses and my snorkel...
07:20 kf mveron: was only a week away... sorting through 400 mails right now :(
07:19 mveron kf: Could catch almost all administrative things...
07:17 mveron hello francharb and kf :-)
07:17 kf mveron: glad you survived the big wave of mails :)
07:17 kf hello francharb and mveron :)
07:16 francharb hello
07:15 mveron Good morning #kohahi mtompset
07:14 mtompset Greetings, mveron.
07:14 mveron Good morning #koha
07:13 mtompset Greetings, kf
07:08 kf good morning #koha
07:06 mtompset ^is^isn't^
07:06 mtompset Why is there a big CHECK on my page somewhere?
07:06 mtompset $(body).append('<p style="font-size:72pt">CHECK</p>');
07:04 mtompset ^I'm^I^
07:04 * mtompset frowns, "I obviously and doing something wrong, and this jquery stuff is just as frustrating as the border bug."\
07:02 mtompset Greetingsd, gaetan_B \
07:00 gaetan_B hello :)
06:55 mtompset It's the difference between $(document).height(); and $(window).height();
06:54 mtj fix that 'body' bug on the sysprefs page , you fix your border problem....
06:53 mtj why? not sure... but thats the bug...
06:53 mtj you can clearly see the body element does not extend to the bottom of the document
06:53 mtj im saying, look at the syspref page in firebug
06:51 mtompset I looked at this in firefox and IE (firefox regardless of firebug on or off)
06:40 cait bbiab
06:40 cait hi alex_a
06:40 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:38 mtj oops, i take that back
06:37 mtj #doc, #doc1, #doc2, #doc3 {border:5px solid red;}
06:36 mtj .
06:36 mtj the trick for you might be to add the border code to the doc* elements, not the body
06:35 mtj the template might have a missing closing div?
06:31 mtj it looks that way in firebug, at least
06:30 mtj ftw: the syspref page has got a glitch with the body element
06:28 mtompset mtj++
06:28 mtompset Okay... thanks for the ideas, mtj.
06:26 mtj s/at/add/
06:26 mtj i test my crappy jq in the .tt file, then at it to the jsctipt koha syspref - when its working ok
06:25 mtompset does it go in the html file?
06:25 mtompset never used jquery before.
06:25 mtj then use jq to insert that magic div...
06:24 mtompset It bleeds into the working area, because there is no div encompassing it all.
06:23 mtompset The problem is, if I set a background picture....
06:22 mtompset No offense taken, but let's say I throw out bottom... I still would want the sides going down to the bottom.
06:21 mtj no offence , but it seems like a super no-no design idea
06:19 mtompset Top and sides look great until... you scroll up and see the bottom border going across. :(
06:17 mtompset border: 10px solid red --- doesn't make it to the bottom of the system preferences page.
06:16 mtompset I copied staff-global.css, made tweaks, and then point koha at the tweaked version.
06:16 mtompset I've got the changes in css...
06:15 mtompset busted like firefox.
06:15 mtj use css, (and then jquery if you need too) and put the changes in the appropriate koha syspref
06:15 wahanui i guess system preferences is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
06:15 mtompset system preferences.
06:15 mtompset now for the challenge.
06:14 mtompset first screen: correct.
06:14 mtompset login: correct.
06:13 mtj hmm, i think i can guess that answer to that question...
06:12 mtompset I wonder if IE does it right.
06:12 mtompset Sorry, mtj... that method has the same bug that is frustrating.
06:11 mtj and a zillion more, if your browser =~ /ie/ ;)
06:11 mtompset I'd like the way that affects koha file least. :P
06:11 mtompset depending on the browser.
06:10 mtj mtompset: looks like theres a zillion ways to do that... depending on your browser :)
06:08 mtj pass, not sure what a pseudo-label is, even...
06:07 mtompset Yes, but will it have the same problem as the pseudo labels? putting the border only the size of the visible screen?
06:06 mtj .body {border:5px solid red;}
06:05 cait but people do with the staff client
06:05 mtj mtompset http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_border.asp
06:05 cait noone would try to make the word or windows match their other sites
06:05 cait I don't understand that mostly
06:05 cait hm
06:04 mtompset At least in this regard.
06:04 mtompset style-wise.
06:04 mtompset To make it match our other sites.
06:04 reiveune hello
06:04 cait why do you want to imprison it?
06:03 mtompset If I wanted to put a border around the staff client, any suggestions on how to do it?
06:03 * mtompset nods.
06:01 mtj the catch is , she doesnt have enuff knowledge to debu g or fix the problem herself
06:01 mtompset Sorry for replying out of context. Oh well. :(
06:01 mtompset Okay, now that I've read the whole thread, that seems like the logical conclusion.
06:00 mtj as well as sometimes failing on a partial rebuild
06:00 mtj in that situation rebuild_zebra.pl would fail for a full rebuild
05:58 mtj ...and those records are causing zebra to fail its rebuild
05:57 mtj yeah, my hunch is she has glitchy cut/pasted text in her bibs
05:51 mtj http://www.mail-archive.com/koha@lists.katipo.co.nz/
05:50 mtj http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/
05:50 mtompset I'm subscribed now.
05:49 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
05:49 cait mailing lists?
05:49 mtj http://koha-community.org/support/forums/
05:49 cait they are just confusing
05:49 cait ghost records in the index are not a similar effect - they don't make zebra die
05:49 mtompset where do I read the archives?
05:49 cait yes, but not her problem
05:48 mtompset yes, but if you delete a record, and it still appears in search... that's a similar effect, cait.
05:48 cait and her problem is not ghost records, but the zebrasrv dying
05:48 rangi Her indexing fails because of bad records
05:48 cait and the archives
05:47 cait there is nabble
05:47 mtompset Seeing as I subscribed late.
05:47 rangi This is the opposite
05:47 mtompset Is there a way to read the thread online?
05:46 mtompset Ghosts disappeared.
05:46 mtompset Fixed the indexing.
05:46 mtompset We had ghost records.
05:46 mtompset The problems I experienced with indexing were due to memory issues.
05:44 rangi But deleting records might be only treating the symptoms
05:44 rangi It looks like corrupt Marc
05:44 rangi And English isn't her native language
05:43 rangi It's hard to know it's split over 3 threads
05:41 cait so not sure that is the problem
05:41 cait she did run a script to find unindexed records
05:40 mtompset I think the problem is her indexes aren't up to date and she's going to try to delete a ghost record.
05:36 mtompset Replying to thread too...
05:31 mtompset why are body pseudo elements so stupid about height?
05:23 rangi Well be it on her head then
04:31 mtompset I'll live with that. :)
04:30 mtompset lynx is the most amazing browser in the world.
04:30 wahanui mtompset: I forgot lynx
04:30 mtompset forget lynx
04:30 wahanui somebody said lynx was the most amazing browser in the world. or the fastest page loading browser.
04:30 mtompset lynx?
04:30 wahanui okay, mtompset.
04:30 mtompset lynx is also the fastest page loading browser.
04:29 wahanui lynx is the most amazing browser in the world.
04:29 mtompset lynx?
04:29 mtompset lynx is the most amazing browser in the world.
04:26 mtompset I guess I haven't mastered wahanui use.
04:26 mtompset lynx?
04:26 mtompset lynx
04:25 mtompset lynx is the most amazing browser in the world. It is the fastest page loading browser, so much so that Microsoft was considering changing their web browser engine to be modeled around it (http://www.sitepoint.com/microsoft-drop-trident-from-internet-explorer/ -- APRIL 1) ;)
04:22 mtompset Really wahanui doesn't know about lynx?
04:22 mtompset lynx?
04:20 mtompset The only reason I catch the discrepancy is because of my browser: lynx. :)
04:19 mtompset Yes, step 3 on the web-installer.
04:19 wahanui koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info
04:19 cait koha?
04:16 mtompset ^do^so^
04:16 mtompset I won't be do bugged if it said 10, and was 5 though. :)
04:15 mtompset GAH! That is starting to bug me... the message says redirect in 5 seconds, but the redirect is coded for 10.
04:14 cait morning mtompset
04:14 mtompset Greetings, cait
04:14 mtompset good night, jcamins_away
04:12 cait good night jcamins_away
04:09 jcamins_away Good night.
04:09 cait hi #koha
04:04 rangi ie the first one there :)
04:03 rangi the main one
04:03 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
04:03 mtompset mailing lists?
04:03 mtompset which list?
04:02 jcamins You should probably subscribe.
04:02 rangi well i warned them
04:01 rangi its the main koha list
04:01 mtompset Ah, it must be a list to which I am not subscribed.
03:58 rangi not a bug report the mailing list
03:57 mtompset which bug report is that?
03:51 rangi just someone was asking for it to
03:50 rangi thats why it doesnt
03:50 rangi i know
03:50 mtompset Greetings, Amit_Gupta
03:50 mtompset no report should do a DELETE in the SQL.
03:49 mtompset delete in reports?
03:43 rangi really, delete in reports .. really
03:37 Amit_Gupta heya bag
03:14 mtj gmcharlt: could you fix huggin please?
03:11 mtompset Yes, I saw that. I agree with that. I haven't tweaked the patch yet.
03:10 rangi until someone puts a test using it in t/ itself that is
03:10 rangi but other than that its fine
03:10 rangi Test::Strict should have required 0
03:10 rangi oh i updated that bug mtompset
03:02 mtompset kawawa si huggin! Poor huggin.
03:02 mtompset huggin is still offline?
03:02 mtompset the -c option looks ugly in a less of a file redirect, but at least you can see if it worked or not.
03:01 mtompset because I found it with ./koha_perl_deps.pl, so my script runs all the valid cases (and a couple invalid) for calling koha_perl_deps.pl
03:00 mtompset I just wrote a script the other day to make sure where the Test::Strict error was triggered, because of the 00-strict.t db_dependent test.
02:54 mtompset That being yours and not the joke.
02:54 mtompset I know, jcamins, I was joking. That was the first Google link.
02:53 jcamins Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs.
02:53 mtj and lets face it, developers that dont 'do' tests, are precisely the kind of developers that need to do tests
02:52 mtompset Society of Invasive Cardiovascular Professionals? ;)\
02:51 mtompset ^right^write^
02:51 jcamins Kind of like SICP for the rest of us.
02:51 mtompset I would rather right tests than documentation. :)
02:50 mtj coz you get to prove that something actually works
02:50 mtj and of all the inane computer-related tasks to work on, writing tests are actually pretty satisfying
02:48 * mtompset nods.
02:48 mtj aint that the truth, fellow developers
02:48 jcamins mtj++
02:48 mtj looking for stupid bugs, that would have been easily caught by a test...
02:48 mtj you know what the most boring-est ....?
02:47 jcamins So, better to write tests. :P
02:47 jcamins Yes, but so are warnings.
02:46 mtompset sadly, tests are boring.
02:46 mtompset tests are good.
02:45 * jcamins is very big on tests.
02:44 jcamins But if you ask me, an even better use of time would be writing more tests.
02:43 jcamins If someone went back and noted all that, yes. :P
02:43 mtompset It would be easier to say, "You should expect to see X number of uninitialized value errors."
02:42 jcamins Ah.
02:42 jcamins Which we should perhaps quiet, but they are intentional- the idea is to test that the modules can handle questionable input.
02:42 mtompset I didn't say error. I said mistake. ;)
02:41 jcamins Those are warnings.
02:41 jcamins There are no errors.
02:41 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Several uninitialized values..." (185 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/51
02:40 mtompset Sure...
02:40 jcamins Paste it to paste.koha-community.org
02:39 jcamins Could I see the output?
02:39 jcamins Is that the only one?
02:39 mtompset Barcodes_PrinterConfig.t, for example.
02:39 mtompset Barcord_PrinterConfig.t
02:39 jcamins I spent hours yesterday making sure there weren't.
02:39 jcamins There should not be any broken tests on 3.6.7.
02:38 wahanui which tests are broken?
02:38 jcamins mtompset: which tests?
02:38 mtompset Hmmm... I guess people don't run the tests often, or the tests were intentional in the mistakes.
02:21 jcamins There is not.
02:21 mtompset Is there a suggested length at which a page gets split?
02:21 mtompset I'm wondering... the Koha_on_Ubuntu page is super long.
02:10 jcamins Yeah, that makes sense to me.
02:09 mtompset I figured if people realize the goal is UTF-8 and here's a way to check, worse comes to worse they can read the manuals and figure it out.
02:08 mtompset ^does^doesn't^
02:08 mtompset turns out that one thing that worked under 10.04 does under 12.04, but removing it doesn't change the outputs from mysql, so I tweaked the MySQL setup section.
02:07 jcamins Excellent!
02:07 mtompset Discovered a couple tweaks I needed to make to the wiki page, but nothing huge.
02:06 mtompset I figured once I got past the dselect, I didn't need to finish, because it should be similar to before.
02:06 jcamins :D
02:06 mtompset I'm finishing my 3.6.7 install now.
02:05 jcamins Greetings.
02:05 mtompset Greetings, jcamins. :)
02:05 jcamins Then you don't end up with X.
02:04 jcamins Server.
02:04 mtompset I was curious, is there a preference between desktop and server versions of the OS?
01:42 mtompset That should solve the MySQL problems I encountered. :)
01:42 mtompset Tweaked http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
00:59 mtompset Greetings, #koha.