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22:34 rangi cya cait
22:34 cait night all
22:01 cait :)
22:00 wizzyrea :)
22:00 wizzyrea oh never mind.
22:00 cait I am talking to my brother about computer things
22:00 wizzyrea on vacation, good time to sleep
22:00 cait huh?
22:00 wizzyrea :)
22:00 wizzyrea that means you should be SLEEPING.
22:00 cait cait is on vacation :)
21:58 wizzyrea now to get cait into bed...
21:58 cait :)
21:58 wizzyrea gnite :)
21:58 cait good night drojf
21:58 drojf ha, bed before midnight! i'm a good boy. good night #koha
21:53 cait :)
21:43 rangi heh sweet
21:42 drojf rangi: http://www.3d0g.net/brewing/untappd-kegerator
21:34 huginn libsysguy: The current temperature in The Ridge at the Woods, Tyler, Texas is 35.1Â°C (4:30 PM CDT on July 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 23.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
21:34 libsysguy @wunder 75707
21:34 cait i tried to find out last week
21:32 rangi yay
21:32 cait only no idea when that is
21:32 cait it also looks like the menu widget will be in the next jquery ui release
21:31 wizzyrea about time I say. Those people already think the web is broken anyway, let's just make it official. ;)
21:30 wizzyrea ooh jquery 2.0 will drop support for IE 6 7 and 8
21:04 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0Â°C (8:00 AM NZST on July 20, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0Â°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
21:04 rangi @wunder nzwn
21:04 rangi hmm
21:00 wizzyrea not as bad as what my computer says but OY still hot
20:59 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 38.0Â°C (3:58 PM CDT on July 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 21.0Â°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT Tuesday...
20:59 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
20:52 wizzyrea oooooo
20:52 jcamins I had opened a pref file, and the .swp file was confusing the script.
20:51 jcamins Oh, got it.
20:51 wizzyrea worked ok for me
20:51 wizzyrea I went More -> administration -> Global system preferences -> local use tab
20:51 jcamins I wonder how.
20:51 jcamins Must be my fault.
20:51 jcamins I clicked the link.
20:50 wizzyrea how did you go about getting there
20:50 wizzyrea hmm
20:50 jcamins I can't get to the page at all.
20:49 wizzyrea "
20:49 wizzyrea a "new preference?
20:49 wizzyrea any specific local use preference?
20:49 wizzyrea it works for me
20:49 * wizzyrea is on it
20:48 jcamins Could someone try to edit local use system preferences?
20:48 jcamins Ummm...
20:46 wizzyrea jcamins++
20:31 rangi back
20:29 cait hi all :)
20:28 drojf hi cait :)
20:28 cait jcamins++
20:24 drojf jcamins++
20:23 rangi My stop brb
20:19 jcamins And surprising.
20:19 jcamins Uhhh... this is good.
20:18 jcamins I got relevance ranking working with authorities. :D
20:18 jcamins YES!!!!
20:14 * jcamins waves back.
20:14 * cait waves
20:08 jcamins Got it. display: inline-block;
20:08 drojf weeeee
20:07 jcamins CSS problem.
20:07 jcamins When this line wraps, the second overlaps the first.
20:07 jcamins I have a markup problem.
20:04 drojf good morning rangi
20:03 rangi Morning peeps
20:02 jcamins *submitted
20:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
20:02 jcamins Bug 7417 submited for signoff.
19:23 jcamins Alas, oleonard is not here.
17:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Database Documentation
17:50 nengard speaking of docs ? bug 6716 still needs several sign off :)
17:34 jeff docs++
17:25 jcamins Also, anyone who doesn't write POD first is making their lives needlessly complex and unpleasant.
17:23 jcamins If I make the script respond to the command line, I can just run opac/opac-suggestions.pl over and over until it gives the results I want.
17:23 jcamins Test-driven development is just easier.
17:23 gaetan_B bye !
17:14 jcamins Oh, except for passwd.
17:13 jcamins etc/zebradb/etc can be symlinked to.
17:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7512 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Dev mode install should use Zebra configs from kohaclone
17:12 jcamins Bug 7512
17:12 jcamins Good question.
17:11 jcamins Also etc, I think.
17:11 wizzyrea whaddup nightshade
17:11 * wizzyrea will have to be righteously convinced otherwise.
17:11 wizzyrea which bug
17:11 jcamins It wasn't well-received.
17:11 jcamins You should comment on my bug saying that it's a good idea.
17:10 jcamins Agreed.
17:10 jcamins lang_defs
17:10 wizzyrea bc this is nuts.
17:10 wizzyrea we should make the installer do this for us
17:10 jcamins xsl
17:10 jcamins Actually, I'm going to symlink a bunch more now.
17:09 wizzyrea thanks :)
17:09 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "wizzyrea: pour vous" (61 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/45
17:07 * drojf gets a backup of his db. who knows what is going to happen next
17:03 jcamins lol
17:03 drojf i probably should lose a raspberry pi somewhere in the university network
17:03 jcamins :(
17:03 drojf i just got that a few weeks ago so i guess i'm stuck for a year or pay twice.
17:02 jcamins Get a VPS.
17:02 jcamins drojf: time to change hosts?
17:02 drojf goodness. i have a single mysql database at my hoster and can install a single module (like wordpress, mediawiki etc) only once into that db. i had mediawiki installed, deleted it and now i cannot reinstall, because obviously they forget to delete the information "mediawiki deleted from db". so what is their solution? i should try to delete the whole database. with all the other data inside. because their deinstallation routine is broken
17:01 jcamins have I mentioned recently what a horror SearchAuthorities is?
16:52 wizzyrea ooo kkkayyy
16:51 jcamins wizzyrea: rangi spent waaaaaaay more time than I would've had the patience for recompiling things from CPAN.
16:49 wizzyrea how are the tests passing on jenkins?
16:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
16:47 jcamins Bug 8233
16:47 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7013 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, adrien.saurat, In Discussion , required format is not enforced for authorized values
16:47 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
16:47 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
16:47 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting
16:47 huginn jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , User should be able to determine the number of search results per page (OPAC)
16:47 jcamins @query solr
16:47 wizzyrea which bug?
16:47 jcamins 100% test coverage!
16:47 jcamins Woohoo!
16:44 jcamins wizzyrea: I posted a tetchy comment on the bug.
16:44 jcamins But changing mappings can be tricky. In fact, I'm not 100% sure how it works.
16:44 jcamins Probably homebranch needs to be mapped to something different than it is.
16:43 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: it'll be something to do with your MARC mappings.
16:43 mbalmer ola
16:43 wizzyrea i knew I had missed something
16:43 jcamins Problem, ya.
16:43 wizzyrea ah
16:43 jcamins No, it doesn't work on Squeeze.
16:43 Koha3-06-Help Would it be a fix to the database? Or a fix to the zebra index? I don't mind spending sometime looking. What would I be looking for?
16:42 wizzyrea do I have a wrong config file somewhere
16:42 wizzyrea it's failing with a "not in @INC"
16:42 wizzyrea what did I miss re: the tests and koha::searchengine::zebra
16:40 jcamins I'd say "it makes sense," except it doesn't. ;)
16:39 jcamins The search engine does not use the data from there directly, though.
16:39 jcamins items.homebranch and items.holdingbranch have identical data.
16:38 jcamins Unfortunately, I don't know how to fix it.
16:38 Koha3-06-Help I know they are two different fields. But they appear to be identical data.
16:38 jcamins It would be good to fix that.
16:38 jcamins The problem is that items.homebranch is not getting put into the correct place for indexing.
16:38 jcamins homebranch and holdingbranch are two different fields.
16:38 jcamins Nope.
16:37 Koha3-06-Help But homebranch is the same as holdingbranch? I am not trying to argue, just understand.
16:36 jcamins What you did is changed the "branch:" prefix for searching to mean holdingbranch instead of homebranch.
16:33 Koha3-06-Help That fixed it. Could you explain to me why it did? The URL is still the same
16:29 Koha3-06-Help I am willing to try anything at this point. Give me a min. It would only be me or one other person that does this.
16:26 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: so, in order to fix the problem, you can open up /etc/zebradb/ccl.properties, find the line that says "branch homebranch" and move that line to below the one that says "holdingbranch 1=[something] and change it to "branch holdingbranch"
16:26 jcamins :)
16:26 jcamins Also there's a weeder report that includes it.
16:25 jcamins There's a report on duplicate titles that should show you, though.
16:25 jcamins Morthland: I don't recall.
16:25 Morthland Nevermind, I believe I have found it.
16:23 Morthland what is the title of the publishing date column?
16:23 jcamins (I'm actually serious... you are going to make an impossibly small change, and it is going to confuse people)
16:22 jcamins Can you have instructions etched onto the server's case?
16:22 jcamins Hm.
16:22 Koha3-06-Help No we do not have an internal knowledgebase.
16:22 jcamins Even if that someone had just been assigned to upgrade Koha after a decade of blissful neglect to the server.
16:22 jcamins Even if that someone weren't you.
16:21 jcamins *someone
16:21 jcamins Somewhere that some would *definitely* look when upgrading.
16:21 jcamins I have a solution, but it depends on you having an internal knowledgebase.
16:21 Koha3-06-Help opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=huxley&sort_by=relevance_ASC&limit=holdingbranch:RHS -> returns results
16:21 jcamins Do you have an internal knowledgebase?
16:21 * jcamins ponders.
16:20 Koha3-06-Help opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=huxley&sort_by=relevance_ASC&limit=branch:RHS - Returns no results
16:20 jcamins Changing it in the interface is going to be a huuuuuge problem.
16:20 jcamins hm.
16:20 jcamins So...
16:20 Koha3-06-Help opac-search.pl?q=huxley -> Returns Resutls
16:20 jcamins I bet 2.2 had different mappings.
16:20 jcamins Ooh. I bet I know what it is.
16:20 jcamins Okay, just checking.
16:19 Koha3-06-Help yes "=" my bad.
16:19 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: when you say it says "limit-branch" do you mean "limit=branch"?
16:19 jcamins "Weeder" or something like that.
16:18 jcamins Morthland: ^^ there should be a report there you can borrow.
16:18 wahanui hmmm... sql report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
16:18 jcamins sql report library?
16:18 Morthland I need something of an inventory, but I need it to include the publishing date.
16:17 Koha3-06-Help Yeah. When I search for a book under all libraries. I get results. When I restrict it to a specific Branch I get no results. Interesting thing is the URL has an ending of "limit-branch:<branchcode>" if I change it to "limit-holdingbranch:<branchcode>" I get results.
16:16 Morthland I need some help generating a report.
16:16 Morthland Howdy
16:15 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: you're having problems from the advanced search screen?
16:13 Koha3-06-Help For my sanity. How would I go about changing the template so the URL returns holdingbranch: instead of just branch: ?
16:10 Koha3-06-Help Ok. I ran rebuild_zebra rebuild_zebra.pl -v -x -r -b the same thing is happening. Branch: returns no results. holdingbranch: returns results
16:08 jcamins Well, I'll come back to this mystery.
16:06 jcamins I tested 100% of the module I wrote just so I could test the module I'm trying to test.
16:02 eythian haha
16:01 jcamins Arglebargle! My test only covers 98.1% of the module.
16:01 eythian yeah :)
16:01 jcamins (yes, I planned on rendering the JSON in the browser... it's easy to test that;)
16:00 jcamins Well, actually, I planned on displaying a sidebar with suggestions, but the suggestions at the top makes more sense now that you have suggested an easier way to deal with it.
16:00 eythian yeah, sounds good
16:00 jcamins (or "Loading suggestions...")
15:59 jcamins Which will be occupied by the link to get suggestions.
15:59 eythian ah right, easy then
15:59 jcamins eythian: I only planned on displaying one line of suggestions.
15:59 * eythian would also like a pony
15:58 eythian also, if you can, try to avoid bumping content down if you insert stuff at the top, it's really annoying if things move 2 or 3 seconds after you start reading.
15:58 eythian yeah, so if they follow the link they get it like ajax, it just takes longer
15:58 jcamins I get a little over-enthusiastic.
15:57 jcamins Seriously, guys, it turns out I shouldn't do test-first development.
15:57 jcamins BRILLIANT!!!
15:57 jcamins Oh, you mean serve the rendered suggestions?
15:57 jcamins But then everyone gets zippy searches
15:57 eythian shouldn't be too much work, just link to the same page with "option=inline-suggestions" or similar
15:56 eythian sure
15:56 jcamins Adds more work for me, of course.
15:56 jcamins For screenreaders/no-JS... what about providing a link to get suggestions?
15:56 wizzyrea what he said
15:56 eythian if OPAC, I'd say target fancy but fall back gracefully
15:56 jcamins I would prefer not to make search results even slower.
15:56 jcamins OPAC.
15:56 eythian jcamins: opac or staff client?
15:56 jcamins Okay, that I care about.
15:55 wizzyrea ^^ and that
15:55 eythian wizzyrea: also people with screenreaders etc
15:55 jcamins Sticking it inline at the top will make things a hell of a lot slower if you want useful suggestions.
15:55 wizzyrea (I don't really consider it a deal breaker though - people who use IE must think the web never works, ever. People who don't use javascript probably have a similar experience)
15:54 jcamins do I care?
15:54 jcamins Okay...
15:54 wizzyrea ^^ see above
15:54 jcamins Why shouldn't I make the "Did you mean?" bar into an AJAX-based thing?
15:54 wizzyrea people who don't have javascript will be mad?
15:54 * wizzyrea doesn't see a reason
15:53 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm looking at you, here.
15:53 jcamins Ready, go!
15:53 jcamins Okay... reasons why suggestions shouldn't be AJAXy?
15:51 jcamins I get silly.
15:51 jcamins Maybe this is why I don't generally write tests first.
15:51 jcamins s/this //
15:51 jcamins ^^ this no suggestions for such silliness. :D
15:50 jcamins my $suggestions = $suggestor->get_suggestions({ 'search' => 'silliness' });
15:47 jcamins Hmmm.
15:47 Koha3-06-Help Yes ran remove items from biblioitems and we have NoZebra set to use and configured Zebra
15:46 jcamins eythian: actually, I think it's because it never occurred to me that I *could*.
15:46 eythian because it feels like it takes a lot longer, even though it really doesn't.
15:45 jcamins I don't know why I don't always do this.
15:45 jcamins Unit tests before functionality.
15:45 * jcamins is taking a test-centric development approach.
15:45 jcamins Woohoo! Test passes!
15:45 jcamins (by "perhaps" I mean "definitely")
15:44 jcamins And, perhaps most importantly of all, you set NoZebra to "Use" and configured Zebra?
15:44 Koha3-06-Help Yes HomeBranch and Holdbranch are population
15:44 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: you ran the script to remove items from biblioitems?
15:44 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, thanks.
15:44 wizzyrea jcamins: he says home and holding match
15:43 Koha3-06-Help I removed the branch column. That is what I was doing. rebuild zebra running now
15:43 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: do you have anything in items.homebranch?
15:43 jcamins *may run into problems.
15:43 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: you should remove the branch column or else you will run into problems.
15:42 jcamins Koha3-06-Help: you have to use Zebra starting with 3.4.
15:41 libsysguy i've gotta run but reindex and see if that helps
15:41 libsysguy oh actually you can probably run the script from inside the unzipped tar
15:40 jcamins eythian++
15:38 Koha3-06-Help Correct
15:38 libsysguy so im assuming you chose production install when you installed from the tarball?
15:37 Koha3-06-Help package tarball
15:37 libsysguy Koha3-06-Help: i mean is it a git install, package, tarball?
15:37 Koha3-06-Help err, 10
15:36 Koha3-06-Help Ubuntu 1-
15:36 libsysguy what kind of install do you have?
15:36 wizzyrea not sure what you'd change
15:36 libsysguy you can just run that
15:35 Koha3-06-Help Just run that or should I change something before that?
15:35 libsysguy that will rebuild the indexes for bibs from xml
15:34 libsysguy Koha3-06-Help ./rebuild_zebra.pl -v -x -r -b
15:33 libsysguy two things that are ill-advisedâ€¦manually modifying koha code and manually modifying the schema
15:33 Koha3-06-Help I have reran the zebraindex.pl file. I guess I am not totally certain what you mean by index from the xml file.
15:33 wizzyrea there was a bug back in 3.2 that was kind of like that
15:33 libsysguy yeah in fact that is a really bad idea Koha3-06-Help
15:33 eythian Koha3-06-Help: just creating tables won't really help
15:32 eythian libsysguy: I reindex whenever I look at something funny
15:32 Koha3-06-Help I went ahead and created a Branch column in my items table set it equal to Holdingbranch. Setup the relation and created an index on that column. Still the same results
15:32 libsysguy typically if there is a search problem in the opac its something to do with the indexes rather than the database
15:32 * libsysguy can't remember if you re-index after an upgrade
15:31 libsysguy Koha3-06-Help have you tried reindexing from the xml?
15:31 * wizzyrea giggles
15:30 libsysguy wizzyrea I thought we were going to get wahanui to do a logic puzzle
15:30 Koha3-06-Help HoldingBranch and Homebranch in the items table are populated and the same.
15:30 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot other way around
15:30 wizzyrea forget the other way around
15:30 wizzyrea forgeth the other way around
15:30 wahanui the other way around is more readable as far as the intent of the clause
15:30 wizzyrea or the other way around
15:30 libsysguy ^^
15:30 wizzyrea but not the holding branch
15:30 wizzyrea you may have populated the homebranch
15:29 wizzyrea right, i'm thinking
15:29 eythian if it's your data, it might be something you can fix.
15:29 wizzyrea I don't see a bug for that particular problem though
15:29 eythian Koha3-06-Help: however, it might be worth seeing if there's a bug about that, or determining if it's just a weird feature of your data.
15:29 eythian Koha3-06-Help: yes, you could probably modify the template to do that
15:27 Koha3-06-Help branches to get no results the URL ends in "limit-branch:<branchcode>" if you manually change the ending to "limit-holdingbranch:<branchcode>" the page returns results. Is there a way of changing the perl search file to have the url return "holdingbranch:" instead of "branch:"?
15:26 Koha3-06-Help Hello. We did a Koha 22 to 3.06 upgrade. Everything worked great. We have one outstanding issue still. In the OPAC if you search for a title from all libraries the search works fine. However when you try and restrict to a single branch it returns no results. Now if you search across all libraries to get results then click on one of the <continued>
15:05 tcohen hi #koha
13:59 * mtompset waves bye.
13:45 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:43 mtompset Someone should update the topic to point to the new meeting time. :)
13:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Database Documentation
13:35 nengard lots of patches on bug 6716 need sign off :) and they're easy to test ? hint hint hint :)
12:51 Oak yup
12:51 wahanui well, Null is correct I think.
12:51 jcamins Null?
12:50 huginn Oak: cait was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 7 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <cait> null
12:50 Oak @seen cait
12:50 * Oak waves
12:35 dpavlin It's really PDF::Reuse fault -- it's doing binmode on file handle, so we have to decode all utf-8 characters into bytes before passing it in.
12:34 jcamins Yeah, I understand it's really complicated.
12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Pushed to Stable , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF
12:34 dpavlin jcamins: Bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work.
12:31 jcamins Certainly it is a known issue that the PDF export doesn't handle Unicode.
12:31 jcamins dpavlin: Latin1-only labels might work. I'm not sure.
12:30 dpavlin I *could* fix it in PDF::Reuse, but this is not optimal.
12:29 dpavlin It seems to me that we have "wide character" errors from PDF::Reuse, and I'm stuck...
12:29 dpavlin quick question: Does printing pdf labels work for anyone in current master code?
11:02 jcamins Ah.
11:02 rangi how circulation worked in kumara
11:02 rangi curses development kit
10:58 jcamins Cdk?
10:58 rangi good old Cdk
10:56 rangi only 11
10:56 jcamins (in NZ)
10:55 jcamins Isn't it a bit late?
10:54 rangi you can change the repo in the dropdown, and yep its good to have the whole history of the project
10:53 jcamins Thank goodness they have the kumara repo. :P
10:52 eythian that must be a very old revision
10:51 mtj new koha git-repo browser, in ohloh
10:51 mtj oh, nice -> http://code.ohloh.net/project?pid=&ipid=298154
10:03 tweetbot` [off] Twitter: @jsicot: "4 secondes pour les transactions de prÃªt/retour, c'est pas la panacÃ©e :(. Chez vous Ã§a donne quoi? cc @mdelhaye @SoniaBouis @Tredok #kohails"
08:41 mtj i owe that guy a few beers for helping me with my dancer beer.app :)
08:40 mtj bigpresh++ -> http://search.cpan.org/~bigpresh/Bot-BasicBot-Pluggable-Module-TwitterWatch-0.02/lib/Bot/BasicBot/Pluggable/Module/TwitterWatch.pm
08:39 rangi yep
08:39 mtj but hey, after the [off] fix... no spam since that day ;)
08:37 mtj (i might have to remind them about the google/spam issues)
08:37 rangi hi drojf
08:37 rangi ah yep bshum was asking about that
08:36 drojf good morning #koha
08:34 mtj oh nice, looks like the evergreen-ils people are doing a tweetbot for their #irc channel, too
08:31 rangi no worries
08:31 mtj thanks for the help - i'm not sure that i would have clicked to this, by myself
08:30 rangi yup
08:29 mtj yeah, i think thats the situation for my koha
08:28 mtj if 'suspension_days' = 28, is that (30 books * 28 days = 840 days) ?
08:27 rangi yeah thats probably how it happened
08:27 mtj so, 30 books in old_issues table - each book 1 day overdue...
08:08 rangi if you get banned for 1 day per book, it would be wrong to be able to take out 20 and still only get 1 day banned
08:07 mtj heh, yeah ... ok :)
08:07 rangi why not days
08:07 rangi it would do that with money
08:07 rangi maybe it does
08:07 mtj does the finesday code, add *all* overdues together? surely not
08:06 mtj and 15-ish look to be overdue
08:06 mtj hmm, not sure about 'it' - there are 30 old_issues items for this patron
08:05 rangi 21 ?
08:04 rangi how many days overdue was it?
08:03 mtj my koha was calc-ing an issuerule with '28' days suspension, into 586 days?!
08:02 rangi it was supposed to be working in 3.6.x the thought was that hourly loans introduced the bugs
08:02 mtj but damn, that feature looks buggy :/
08:01 mtj cait++ rangi++
08:01 mtj w00t - fixed :)
07:57 mtj ah, i think i got it -> 'Suspension in Days (day)'
07:57 mtj coz, this patron is blocked until '2014-02-25' ;)
07:56 mtj ok, so stupid question number-1.. where do i enable/disable fine-days?
07:48 eythian http://lwn.net/Articles/507110/ <-- speaking of hyper-v (well, we were yesterday)
07:47 mtj ok, thanks for the tip!
07:45 rangi no in the db
07:45 mtj ok - in smart-rules.pl ?
07:43 cait null
07:43 cait I mean really no values
07:43 cait mtj: make your your issuingrules don't have values for that
07:42 mtj not in 3.6.x, afaik
07:42 rangi or latest 3.6.x .. is it fixed?
07:42 mtj yes
07:42 rangi have to tried 3.6.6 ?
07:41 mtj ive got a crazy bug in my 3.6.4 , and that sub is causing it
07:41 mtj bah, and that sub is waay different in master, than in 3.6.4 :/
07:41 rangi mtj: you'll want to talk to biblibre people about that
07:41 mtj ahh, ok
07:40 cait for a certain amount of days that is calculated somehow
07:40 cait the idea is that you debar patrons instead of charging fines
07:40 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Members.pm;h=2e59c916ca4ddb8d7d821de6ab93d77cfd3af9e3;hb=HEAD#l609
07:40 cait that you hae to ask a french person :)
07:39 mtj in Members::IsMemberBlocked, whats a 'fines days'?
07:39 cait not sure I have an answer for you tho :)
07:39 cait sure
07:38 mtj cait: i have a Q for you?
07:36 mtj hi #koha
07:35 cait wb eythian? :)
07:27 cait hi eythian and rangi :)
07:26 eythian hi cait
07:26 rangi morning cait
07:25 rangi :)
07:24 eythian yeah, I think I'm having better weather than that :)
07:24 eythian rangi: yep
07:23 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery3/index.php/2006/Kohacon06/marseille/DSC02185 <-- it was more hazy when i was there
07:22 rangi Notre Dame de la Garde ?
07:21 rangi eythian: from up on the hill by the big churchy thingy?
07:20 rangi http://bywatersolutions.com/section/tutorial-videos/ and there
07:20 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/002KKAFcFghdc3urB26Fxl <-- picture of Marseille I took
07:19 mtj raj08: the videos are on youtube...
07:19 raj08 ??
07:18 raj08 i Do:t have Video
07:17 rangi have you read the manual and watched the tutorial videos?
07:17 raj08 can u help me oprate of koha?
07:16 rangi sometimes yes
07:16 raj08 yes
07:16 rangi user of koha?
07:15 raj08 r u user?
07:15 rangi yes
07:14 raj08 any body there?
07:12 raj08 ??
07:11 raj08 hi any user there?
07:03 julian_m hello
06:49 matts ^^ hello mbalmer !
06:41 mbalmer â€¦ marseille ...
06:41 mbalmer bonjour, marseill!
06:40 reiveune hello
06:05 alex_a bonjour #koha
05:54 mtj print "Upgrade done (Change borrowers.debarred into Date )\n";
05:54 mtj $DBversion = "3.07.00.001";
05:52 mtj hmm, looks like the 'borrowers.debarred is not a date' bug
05:46 mtj ... and the patron has no items out :/
05:46 mtj a 'Patron has had overdue items and is blocked for 586 day(s).' message on an item checkout
05:46 mtj well, i'm looking at a weird bug on a 3.6.4 koha....
05:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
03:17 dcook Fair enough. Timing just doesn't seem to be there this time
03:16 rangi we have LIANZA in september and a bunch of stuff to do before then (thats hte big nz library conference) so yeah i think might just run out of time
03:15 dcook I was thinking that this trip in July/August probably isn't going to happen, so I'm thinking that a trip over in February sounds pretty good :)
03:13 rangi come in february :)
03:13 rangi http://www.wellington.govt.nz/aboutwgtn/glance/index.html
03:13 rangi and 200k in wellington itself
03:13 dcook That's a pretty decent size
03:13 rangi 500 apparently
03:13 dcook Still bigger than the city I grew up in ;)
03:12 rangi hmm not big, if you count greater wellington i think we are around 400k
03:12 dcook How big is Wellington? I figure sooner or later I'll make my way over
03:12 dcook Can't blame you :p
03:11 * rangi gets them all mixed up :)
03:11 dcook Yep, out in Burnaby, I think
03:11 rangi simon fraser is a uni
03:11 rangi thats it
03:11 dcook Granville?
03:11 dcook I'm not too familiar with the islands
03:11 rangi really arty, with cool markets
03:11 dcook Hmm, maybe?
03:10 rangi tara took us to hmm whats the island called fraser ?
03:10 dcook It's over by the university
03:10 rangi oh, didnt make it there
03:10 dcook Pacific Spirit Park is another good one in Vancouver
03:10 rangi yeah
03:10 dcook NSW has some great parks, but none of them are smack dab in the city
03:09 dcook I love it there
03:09 * dcook nods
03:09 rangi was excellent
03:09 rangi in the heart of a big city
03:09 rangi i saw maybe 5 other people
03:09 rangi it was great
03:08 rangi i spent the whole day walking there
03:08 dcook It's beautiful though
03:08 rangi yeah i think that was my problem too :)
03:08 dcook Do you have to know where you are in the beginning in order to get lost? :p
03:08 dcook I don't know if I've been lost in Stanley Park, but I sure didn't end up where I wanted to go
03:08 dcook Fair enough
03:07 dcook lol
03:06 rangi :)
03:06 rangi i get lost everywhere
03:06 rangi mind you i got lost in stanley park
03:06 rangi that photo? yeah that was near Lodi
03:06 dcook Yet another place that I have yet to see..
03:06 dcook That's in California?
03:05 rangi i got lost in there
03:05 rangi you could totally do that in victoria park
03:04 dcook Cheaper than a mortgage :P
03:04 rangi could be, hiding out in the woods :)
03:04 dcook Maybe he wasn't camping
03:04 dcook lol
03:03 dcook I did indeed :(
03:03 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1611 <-- lol i forgot about this
03:03 rangi ahh you missed the pale ales i brought over then
03:02 rangi back before you could cheat with a smartphone :)
03:02 dcook Unfortunately, when I wasn't at Access, I was at the uni, as that was a pretty busy assignment time :/
03:02 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1527 <-- one of hte highlights of the trip
03:01 rangi say, did you get to the beer thingy we did in the hotel at access?
03:01 rangi thats the place to go
03:01 rangi oh
03:01 dcook I have a friend who loves his craft beers
03:01 dcook I bet. I haven't been down that way yet myself, but I'm thinking a trip to Portland might be in order in September or October
03:00 rangi especially the oregon coast
03:00 rangi its a beautiful drive (for the most part)
03:00 dcook Admittedly, I've been missing the west coast a bit recently
03:00 rangi http://photos.bigballofwax.co.nz/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=1233
02:59 dcook Sounds like a good trip :)
02:59 rangi i think 7 or 8 days
02:59 rangi saw the redwoods etc
02:59 rangi went to yosemite
02:59 rangi we took our time, stopped and stayed at lots of places along the way
02:58 dcook How long was the trip between Seattle and Las Vegas?
02:58 dcook Very true. It's a great idea
02:58 rangi but i figure a hand is fast ;)
02:57 rangi im bad at it too
02:57 rangi and then cut across to las vegas for a weekend
02:57 rangi for my honeymoon, we drove route 1 from seattle down
02:57 * dcook is rather terrible at blackjack
02:57 rangi ive been to Las Vegas
02:57 dcook I've never been to Nevada
02:56 dcook Yeah, I just saw that it was reno this morning
02:56 dcook lol
02:55 rangi where you have to beat me in blackjack to ask a question
02:55 rangi you can participate in my session (if it gets picked that is )
02:55 rangi reno next year :)
02:55 dcook :p
02:55 dcook ...and I love Edinburgh
02:55 dcook Both for the missed opportunity to see/meet you all
02:54 dcook I'm still a bit mad that I didn't find out about KohaCon2012 until it was in progress
02:54 dcook Ahh, fair enough
02:54 rangi edinburgh flushed the travel budget
02:54 rangi unfortunately no
02:53 dcook Planning on coming out again this year?
02:53 dcook Cool. I'll have to check them out when I have a moment
02:52 rangi and LibÃ©o
02:51 rangi inlibro
02:51 rangi there are a couple of Koha companies there too
02:51 rangi :)
02:48 dcook But I have an old friend in Montreal that I've been dying to see and as you say...I'd be foolish to miss it :p
02:48 dcook I wonder how bad it will be with my courseload..
02:47 rangi http://accessconference.ca/
02:47 rangi if you are gonna be in canada would be foolish to miss it :)
02:47 dcook Really? I was hoping that was more than a rumour
02:47 rangi access is in montreal this year tho, in october
02:46 dcook Ahh
02:46 wahanui evergreen is up to Update 11.
02:46 rangi evergreen
02:46 dcook Eg conf?
02:46 rangi ahh april
02:45 rangi when is the eg conf in vancouver
02:45 dcook It's just a temporary visa for now, but I'm hoping that I'll qualify for a permanent one after 2 years
02:45 rangi oh
02:45 dcook Yeah!
02:45 rangi sweet!
02:45 dcook But I'm coming back to Oz in January for a minimum of 3.5 years
02:45 rangi ahhh
02:45 dcook I'm flying back to Vancouver on August 15th
02:45 dcook Alas, not yet
02:44 rangi indefinite?
02:44 rangi how much longer do you have in aussie?
02:44 rangi hindsight is 20/20 :)
02:44 dcook I wish that I would've come on here a month ago, so that I could've saved myself some work :/
02:43 dcook Galen's jQuery snippet
02:43 rangi yeah
02:43 dcook I was able to nix a local change, because of...
02:43 rangi yep
02:43 rangi :)
02:43 dcook That's what I'm doing with the jQuery library
02:43 rangi so lets the savvy users help other users too
02:43 dcook Mmm very true
02:42 rangi can cut and paste
02:42 rangi even users not that savvy
02:42 rangi dcook: and with the jquery and sql libraries
02:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Reports webservice should allow selection by name
02:41 rangi and bug 8256
02:41 dcook Koha developers = even more awesome
02:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Report webservices
02:41 wahanui well, bug 7249 is particularly cool.
02:41 rangi bug 7249
02:41 dcook Koha = awesome
02:41 dcook This also really helps savvy users/clients to get more out of their data
02:41 dcook I've kept thinking that the reports are so powerful, but that there display has been so limited
02:40 dcook This is exactly what I've been wanting for a few months now
02:40 dcook :D
02:39 rangi whatever :)
02:39 rangi percentage of the collection currently onloan as a graph
02:39 rangi like the last hours circ stats
02:39 rangi and more
02:39 rangi yes
02:39 dcook Alternatively, you could do the same on the staff side, yes?
02:38 dcook Very very cool
02:37 rangi but yeah for a list of new titles, or a drop down of item types or whatever you wanted to do on the opac, you could write the report to fetch the data and jquery to display it
02:37 rangi they did some neat things
02:37 rangi so that the students could play with json/jquery
02:36 rangi we built it for the last catalyst academy
02:36 rangi svc/report and opac/svc/report do that
02:36 dcook Nice
02:36 rangi or runs the report, and caches the results and hands it back to you
02:36 dcook Night, jcamins
02:36 rangi the perl code that fetches it, gets it from the cache if its in there and not expired
02:36 jcamins Good night.
02:36 jcamins Okay, bed time.
02:35 rangi nope you set the cache time when saving the report
02:35 dcook So the cache command is just included in the JS?
02:35 dcook Nice. I was just thinking that it might be problematic if people are trying to call big reports with each page load
02:34 rangi so it doesnt hit the db each time
02:34 rangi and it will cache it in whatever caching engine you have enabled
02:34 rangi you can even tell koha to cache it
02:33 rangi either works
02:33 rangi or ?name=myreport
02:33 rangi koha/cgi-bin/koha/svc/report?id=2
02:32 rangi eg
02:32 rangi then you call it with the id
02:32 rangi only the saved ones, you make one
02:32 rangi any of them you mark as public in the opac
02:32 dcook Including the saved ones?
02:32 rangi in the staff interface
02:32 rangi any of them
02:32 rangi so for koha
02:32 dcook So which reports will be available as JSON?
02:31 dcook I'm certainly of agreement
02:31 rangi cool eh
02:30 rangi for(var i=0;i<jobs.length;i++){ var name = jobs[i].name; var colour = jobs[i].color;
02:30 rangi then i can do this
02:30 rangi that make sense?
02:30 rangi so data.jobs gets me an array
02:30 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/api/json?pretty=true
02:29 rangi or more readable
02:29 rangi thats what the json looks like
02:29 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/api/json
02:29 rangi so i can do data.jobs
02:28 rangi data is now a nice datastructure
02:28 rangi function(data){
02:28 rangi $.getJSON('http://jenkins.koha-community.org/api/json?jsonp='+"?&callback=?",
02:28 rangi eg
02:28 rangi and pass it to a fucntion
02:27 rangi you getjson
02:27 rangi jquery makes json easy
02:27 rangi jplot is fun
02:27 dcook :D
02:26 rangi you can muck about with master now :)
02:26 rangi thats how i learnt
02:26 dcook Or maybe I should just wait until 3.10 and learn by mucking about
02:26 dcook I wish I knew more about JSON. I've read a little bit, but nothing substantive. Any recommendations for good resources?
02:25 rangi no sweat
02:25 rangi pie chart showing breakdown of your catalogue
02:25 dcook O_O
02:24 rangi list of new books, no sweat
02:24 rangi so you can do cool stuff with jquery and results of reports
02:24 rangi and ones you mark public available on the opac
02:23 rangi its even cooler with 3.10 .. because of the reports being available as JSON
02:23 * dcook <3 the Koha jQuery library
02:08 rangi yep
02:08 jcamins Yeah, but without mocking the database to provide both UNIMARC and MARC21 records, it wouldn't help.
02:07 rangi changing the flavour anyway
02:07 rangi set_preference is handy for that
02:07 jcamins Well, changing that will require mocking the entire thing, so we're not going to do that.
02:07 jcamins And the marcflavour.
02:03 jcamins It's the if checking for an invalid record.
02:03 jcamins Ooh, and I know which it is, too.
02:01 rangi missing one if is all :)
02:01 rangi sweet
02:01 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Soon I'll go to sleep and you won't have to look at search results" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/44
01:52 * jcamins blinks.
01:52 wahanui i guess true. is it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron?
01:52 jcamins wahanui: true.
01:52 jcamins Or should be.
01:52 wahanui whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
01:52 rangi or whatever
01:52 rangi cos then you can do is($authority->heading,'fish');
01:52 jcamins authid is constant.
01:52 jcamins Ooh, got it!
01:52 jcamins Yeah, well, that's not happening right now.
01:52 rangi thats why you kinda need a known value
01:51 rangi hehe
01:51 jcamins Actually, what exactly do I *do* with the authority object to make sure it works?
01:50 jcamins Never mind.
01:50 jcamins Later I'll need more than one column.
01:50 jcamins Oh, good point.
01:49 rangi but for our purposes you could assume the database is sane
01:49 rangi some databases (not mysql) dont hand things back in the same order
01:49 rangi anything else isn't db safe
01:48 jcamins Hm, but that's a hashref.
01:48 rangi fetchrow_hashref
01:48 jcamins fetch_something?
01:47 jcamins How do I get a single value from a sth?
01:46 rangi thats it
01:46 jcamins SKIP
01:45 rangi i forget how you do that, but i know ive seen it
01:45 rangi so that the test bails nicely if it cant find any
01:44 rangi make sure you handle no authorities too
01:44 rangi heh
01:44 jcamins For right now I'm making it db_dependent, and just retrieving the first authority.
01:43 jcamins You know what?
01:35 rangi exactly
01:35 * dcook wonders if there is already a slim function for retrieving item URIs...
01:35 rangi yep
01:35 jcamins Right, what I want to test is that the end result is an actual object with a record where the record goes, etc.
01:34 rangi but for a lot of cases that's ok
01:33 rangi i mean we arent testing the sql in this case
01:33 rangi this will make lots of tests be able to be moved out of db_dependent
01:33 rangi yay
01:33 rangi sweet :)
01:33 jcamins Easy as pie.
01:33 jcamins You specify SQL and the result you want.
01:33 rangi http://www.perl.com/pub/2005/07/21/test_mockdbi.html
01:32 rangi maybe i havent read all the man yet :)
01:32 jcamins Ah, perfect.
01:31 rangi DBD::Mock
01:31 rangi something that doenst require installing a daemon or anything anything that pretend to be a db
01:31 rangi yeah
01:30 jcamins Something DBD::AnyData?
01:29 jcamins I like it.
01:29 jcamins Just mock the C4::Context->dbh call.
01:29 jcamins Clever!
01:29 jcamins Oh-ho!
01:28 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "t/RecordProcessor_EmbedSeeFromHeadings.t" (50 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/43
01:28 rangi that hits sqlite or whatever you want ;)
01:28 jcamins I'll show you what I did for my other test.
01:28 rangi you can make a dbh object
01:27 rangi it doesnt need to be a real db in the back
01:27 rangi since we arent testing Context
01:27 rangi or you can fudge a db connection
01:27 jcamins Yeah, that's what I feared.
01:27 rangi :)
01:27 rangi the koha newsletter, make some authority records for that
01:26 rangi then test against known values
01:26 rangi to the sample data
01:26 rangi you might have to add some sample auths
01:26 jcamins *but
01:26 jcamins Yeah, how do I test actually retrieving authorities from the database?
01:25 rangi to change marcflavours
01:25 rangi you can do $context->set_preference
01:25 jcamins (oh, want to know why I was suffering so much? Class::Accessor apparently defines ->get)
01:24 jcamins I don't know how to test get_from_authid.
01:24 rangi can call new with it?
01:24 jcamins Actually, I guess I know how to test new.
01:24 rangi then i guess you manufacture a Marc::Record object
01:24 rangi well a use_ok will test compile thats not a bad start
01:23 jcamins rangi: any suggestions are welcome.
01:23 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Koha/Authority.pm" (92 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/42
01:22 jcamins And I don't know how to test Koha::Authority.
01:19 jcamins And I'm not moving them.
01:19 jcamins Okay, C4::Debug, C4::Charset, and C4::Boolean are safe.
01:18 Judit do do it then :)
01:17 jcamins That *really* hurt.
01:17 * jcamins bangs his head on the desk repeatedly.
01:16 rangi nice!
01:15 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ok 1 - use Koha::RecordProcess" (34 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41
00:54 jcamins Okay, I need a new plan for this.
00:51 jcamins Good. That means I can use it to find out if it was MARC21.
00:49 rangi jcamins: yep it supported unimarc and marc21
00:47 jcamins It's better than it was, but it depends on *EVERYTHING*.
00:46 dcook Judging from the interface alone, I can only imagine
00:44 wahanui jcamins: I forgot authorities
00:44 jcamins wahanui: forget authorities
00:44 wahanui i think authorities is easy
00:44 jcamins Authorities.
00:44 dcook P.S. What's the code?
00:43 dcook Not that I'm judging :p
00:43 dcook Is it Wednesday night there?
00:43 dcook lol
00:41 * jcamins has not had *nearly* enough to drink, sitting down or not.
00:40 jcamins lol
00:40 dcook Good thing you're sitting down?
00:39 jcamins This code is just staggeringly horrifying.
00:39 jcamins My god.
00:21 dcook Allo #koha
00:08 jcamins rangi: (for when you get back) did 2.2 have the marcflavour syspref?
00:06 rangi ok, ducking out for lunch bbiab
00:06 jcamins I was looking in the wrong place.
00:05 jcamins Oh, wait.
00:05 jcamins Nope.
00:05 * jcamins shudders.
00:05 rangi in there somewhere?
00:05 rangi misc/migration_tools/22_to_30/
00:05 rangi maybe in the 2.2 to 3.0 script?
00:04 rangi yeah, some kinda migration script and be done with it?
00:04 jcamins 2.x?
00:04 * rangi is just thinking aloud
00:04 rangi and leave it out for new stuff?
00:04 rangi when you upgrade
00:03 rangi to fix it
00:03 rangi run this
00:03 rangi and say if you are running 5 year old koha
00:03 rangi maybe we can oput that in an script
00:03 rangi how long since we put authid in 152 ?
00:03 rangi right
00:03 jcamins *delete
00:03 jcamins With a big FIXME saying delet.
00:03 jcamins Well, it's shim code to deal with the fact that we used to store authid in 152.
00:02 rangi so maybe kill it and make something that works and is understandable?
00:02 rangi kinda defeats the point
00:02 rangi id hate for copy and paste code to ever make its way into Koha::
00:01 jcamins Sorta.
00:01 jcamins Well, it does something.
00:01 rangi kill it with fire then?
00:01 jcamins See my tirade earlier.
00:01 jcamins Oh, I don't understand what it does.
00:01 rangi that and HTML
00:00 rangi remember ive spent my life trying not to learn about MARC
00:00 rangi what does it even do
00:00 jcamins I'm creating Koha::Authority
00:00 rangi and all violations for Koha
00:00 rangi ahhh then that for C4/
00:00 jcamins Where should it go in Koha::?
00:00 jcamins So, fix_marc21_auth_type_location.
00:00 mtj progressive means it ignores the *current* violations, but will bitch about new ones, only