Time  Nick        Message
21:02 mbalmer     yes, rewrite Koha in <insert your favourite language here>
21:00 wahanui     jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
21:00 libsysguy   jcamins?
21:00 wahanui     I LIKE SCIENCE
21:00 libsysguy   wizzyrea?
20:59 libsysguy   ^^ heh
20:59 wahanui     i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
20:59 libsysguy   libsysguy?
20:02 cait        anitsirk++
20:01 wizzyrea    yes very brave jeez :)
20:01 wizzyrea    it's cute :)
20:00 wizzyrea    i like her combo kiwi/german accent
20:00 rangi       she's been here a while :)
20:00 rangi       hehe, 'ok, no worries'
20:00 cait        she continued
20:00 cait        brave girl
19:59 wizzyrea    oh my poor girl
19:57 rangi       at about 4.40
19:53 rangi       so you can hear what it was like
19:53 rangi       http://virtualbreath.net/curious/2012/07/04/mahara-presentation-with-a-dash-of-earthquake/
19:52 rangi       kristina was presenting remotely during it
19:51 wizzyrea    yea, wow that's a big one
19:51 rangi       no real damage anywhere so that's good
19:51 rangi       http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7215025/Deep-7-0-earthquake-hits-New-Zealand
19:51 rangi       hehe
19:50 wizzyrea    i…. i guess.
19:50 rangi       its what she does, that endears her to the public so
19:49 wizzyrea    :P
19:49 * wizzyrea  was quite fond of cheesymite.
19:49 wizzyrea    oh and naturally hillary clinton says something dumb and snarky about it.
19:49 jcamins     wizzyrea: just so long as they don't dodge the marmite tax!
19:47 wizzyrea    ooh tax dodgers!
19:39 rangi       http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/9154576/Outcry-in-New-Zealand-over-Marmageddon-crisis-as-Marmite-stocks-run-out.html
19:39 rangi       which is a very cynical and clever marketing campaign
19:39 rangi       oh and also marmitegeddon
19:37 rangi       are owned by 7th day adventists and dodge taxes
19:36 rangi       is that sanitarium, (who make things like weetbix and marmite)
19:36 rangi       our biggest cereal controversy here
19:35 rangi       its a nice little feedback loop
19:35 wizzyrea    i know right
19:35 rangi       wizzyrea: sugar cereal then ritalin for the adhd
19:34 rangi       hehe
19:33 jcamins     rangi: Myshkin was a little scared by Atarau at first, but decided he approves.
19:33 wizzyrea    (that is, greater in sugar)
19:33 wizzyrea    but it's still a lot of sugar.
19:33 wizzyrea    froot loops > shredded wheat fruit in the middle > fruity cheerios
19:33 jcamins     Honey nut cheerios are about as healthy as candy.
19:32 wizzyrea    cheerios makes "fruity cheerios" now
19:32 * jcamins   doesn't even have processed foods much and manages that. ;)
19:32 wizzyrea    terrifying.
19:32 wizzyrea    to think, that's how we (some of us) live all the time. High on sugar.
19:32 rangi       (that video was on sunday)
19:31 wizzyrea    hehe
19:31 rangi       i spend most of my visits to the USA high on sugar
19:31 jcamins     Aww.
19:31 wizzyrea    hahahahahah he's so tough
19:31 rangi       curse my compulsion to try new things
19:30 rangi       oh yeah american cereal is a trip
19:30 rangi       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoUkCjdb1jc&feature=g-upl
19:30 jcamins     (but it's better now than it was three years ago)
19:30 wizzyrea    viva la netflix.
19:30 * wizzyrea  noticed that after the spud visits his gran with her satellite television, that he suddenly wants all kinds of crazy toys and questionable food items.
19:30 * jcamins   will summarize: you're going to kill your kids if you let them eat cereal that is marketed for kids.
19:29 rangi       as long as I say, this is what kapa haka groups eat
19:29 rangi       atarau eats anything
19:29 rangi       oh yeah?
19:28 * jcamins   just read a report about cereal advertising to children.
19:27 rangi       's eating honeypuffs i have about 10 mins
19:27 rangi       he
19:27 rangi       back
19:12 * cait      waves back
19:12 * rangi     waves good morning and goes to make breakfast for atarau
18:37 libsysguy   and failing hard
18:37 libsysguy   like im trying to do now
18:37 libsysguy   ^^
18:37 eythian     in the sense that it's hard to extend
18:37 jcamins     Any unit tests you'd like to write would be much appreciated.
18:37 eythian     it's kinda broken
18:37 jcamins     Right.
18:37 libsysguy   i guess it goes back to "if it isn't broken don't fix it"
18:36 libsysguy   *smh*
18:36 jcamins     It really is.
18:35 libsysguy   auth kind of looks like a dinosaur
18:34 libsysguy   then basically a set of flags
18:34 libsysguy   to force one or the other
18:34 libsysguy   it passes opac/intranet
18:34 * jcamins   has never really looked at the code.
18:33 jcamins     Does it do some sort of bind?
18:33 libsysguy   well this is also interesting the way get_template_and_user is set up
18:33 libsysguy   oh ok
18:32 jcamins     I was going back to the permissions.
18:32 jcamins     Oh, the referer thing is definitely an issue.
18:31 libsysguy   but you are still basically programming in a hole right?
18:31 libsysguy   hmm
18:30 jcamins     There's a syspref that controls it.
18:30 jcamins     libsysguy: wait, you know that the user doing SCO != user to whom books are being checked out, right?
18:30 jcamins     Wouldn't it be better to confirm that the specified patron did the self checkout?
18:30 * libsysguy scratches head
18:30 libsysguy   true
18:29 jcamins     You can still spoof referer headers.
18:28 libsysguy   maybe i can just check to see if i came from an sco url
18:27 jcamins     Yeah, that would be a problem.
18:27 libsysguy   but im not sure how to get around with the way printing is set up
18:27 libsysguy   which is obviously a problem
18:26 libsysguy   if someone types in a borrowernumber then they can get a print out of all the checkouts for that patron
18:26 libsysguy   the only way that is a problem is url hijacks
18:26 jcamins     Hm.
18:25 libsysguy   print or no thanks
18:25 libsysguy   just a dialog
18:25 libsysguy   i was trying to do it the lazy way and just add it for all sco's
18:25 jcamins     I guess that might be okay.
18:25 libsysguy   oh no i didn't
18:25 jcamins     Oh, you already added a slip syspref?
18:25 libsysguy   for sco**
18:24 libsysguy   i guess i could make a new 'permission' and set it to true if print slips are enabled as a syspref
18:24 libsysguy   i am set as a standard patron on my install and i can SCO
18:23 jcamins     I think it's just circulate, isn't it?
18:23 jcamins     libsysguy: so that if a library does not want one of their SCO machines printing receipts, it won't.
18:23 libsysguy   i thought everyone could do that
18:23 libsysguy   do you know of a permission to 'self-checkout'
18:22 jcamins     libsysguy: keeping it.
18:22 libsysguy   jcamins did you mean it would be good to retain the permissions or it would be a good feature
18:22 eythian     by all means :)
18:19 jcamins     Maybe I should pick those up.
18:19 eythian     I haven't done any moving on them, they are still "almost there"
18:18 eythian     jcamins: I realised I need to book some things for the weekend.
18:18 libsysguy   that feature or retaining permissions
18:18 jcamins     libsysguy: yes, that would be good.
18:18 jcamins     eythian: go to a pub, but first tell me if I saw something about you moving forward on the koha-i18n-es-ES (etc.) packages.
18:18 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, In Discussion , add print receipt option to Koha self-check
18:18 libsysguy   so im working on bug 8033, and just realized that you need permissions to print slips
18:17 drojf       i'm not sure about that
18:16 datadoctor  Those snails are really good at spam filtering as well!
18:15 datadoctor  They were delicious! :D
18:15 drojf       heh
18:15 datadoctor  Thanks drojf, and also for the Snails!
18:15 jcamins     VMWare should work fine on Debian, I'd think.
18:15 drojf       +1 for debian
18:14 datadoctor  Thought about trying an alternative, but seeing as you had problems, I'll stick with what I know.
18:14 datadoctor  I will take your word for it. We are currently running on Debian Squeeze, but had some problems with VMWare tools on a test install.
18:13 jcamins     datadoctor: I don't know it's good advice, but I certainly feel strongly about it. ;)
18:12 datadoctor  Thanks for the good advice jcamins!
18:12 * jcamins   hated Ubuntu 12.04.
18:11 jcamins     No question.
18:11 wahanui     hmmm... squeeze is 3.2.x
18:11 jcamins     Squeeze.
18:11 datadoctor  What do y'all think about installing on Debian Squeeze vs. Ubuntu 12 Server?
18:01 eythian     jcamins: I had things to fix, but I just ran it, it seems happy, and in about 5 minutes I shall be going that way.
18:01 jcamins     eythian: shouldn't you be off at the pub by now?
17:54 eythian     jcamins: heh
17:54 eythian     sure. run this, and see what happens: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/elm_merge.pl;h=caede6ee52336f4d5ead05e9b520f4f55eb1e46e;hb=waimate_import
17:54 drojf       :D
17:54 jcamins     [off] Dear sir kindly send detailed step by step video tutorial on merging new data with exact commands that match my situation and not yours.
17:53 drojf       nah i'll just go with answer number two, "i'm sorry, it's just not possible"
17:52 drojf       i'll take your irc help for free then. kindly guide step by step, video tutorial preferred :D
17:51 eythian     I shall charge a hefty amount.
17:51 drojf       we will all send you our old data files :)
17:51 eythian     on the other hand, I know how to do it now :)
17:51 eythian     in hindsight, me too.
17:50 drojf       ouch
17:50 jcamins     eythian: if it were their fault, I'd tell them they had to choose between the two weeks of missing data and the data since go-live.
17:50 eythian     two days of scripting later.
17:49 eythian     I _think_ I have the last of the kinks out.
17:49 eythian     It's a nightmare to merge in.
17:49 eythian     seriously, if anyone tells you they sent you a 2 week old data file, just put your hands up and back away slowly.
17:42 drojf       :D
17:38 eythian     "remember to pick up some milk"
17:33 drojf       i don't
17:32 jcamins     drojf: I wouldn't count on it.
17:30 drojf       [off] i wonder what i wrote in that message. i hope it's appropriate for an ex-girlfriend :D
17:30 drojf       http://www.realsnailmail.net/ delivered by an actual snail ;)
17:28 eythian     haha wut?
17:24 drojf       [off] Your Real Snail Mail™ message which you sent to <girlfriend at that time> on 20th Jun 2008 at 10:51:44 has been successfully delivered by agent 155 aka 'Liridon' on 3rd Jul 2012 at 13:04:38
17:24 drojf       talking of slow…
17:19 eythian     and I am on pretty good internet at home.
17:19 eythian     Though, my sample size is small here.
17:19 eythian     I hate to say this, but I've found the internet in the UK to be worse than what I have at home.
17:18 drojf       well, slow sucky internet > no internet
17:11 jcamins     You *must* use Zebra.
17:11 jcamins     In particular, you cannot use NoZebra.
17:10 jcamins     But be aware that a lot of those instructions are out of date.
17:10 eythian     http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upgrading+koha+from+2.2 <-- sv
17:10 jcamins     sv: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Upgrading_2.2
17:10 drojf       hm my internet connection is really bad today. i try another reconnect
17:09 jcamins     I wonder if you could do $[ = -1. :D
17:09 eythian     mostly used in the old days of emulating awk, which is 1-indexed.
17:09 sv          ok. tell me the migration procedure
17:09 drojf       sounds like a great idea to drive people crazy. and by people i mean myself, after forgetting about it
17:08 eythian     drojf: $[
17:08 jcamins     drojf: yes, don't.
17:08 eythian     drojf: you can
17:08 drojf       you can do that?
17:08 eythian     sv: there are no upgradation linux commands. It's basically a migration.
17:08 eythian     jcamins: I would not do that.
17:08 jcamins     eythian: not if you change the array start index magic constant.
17:08 * eythian   also just forgot that arrays start at 0, it's one of those days.
17:07 wahanui     yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha...
17:07 eythian     yeah, that
17:07 eythian     when I said...
17:07 jcamins     I think eythian means "not the easiest thing in the world."
17:07 eythian     err
17:07 sv          k. tell me upgradation linux commands
17:06 senator     Rakesh: ubuntu chooses to make specialized distros for servers and desktops separately. debian (and many other distros) make no such distinction. debian is just debian.
17:06 eythian     sv: it is possible, it will take time though, it's the easiest thing in the world.
17:06 eythian     sv: yes, though you know that koha 3.08 is out right?
17:06 drojf       jcamins: just joking
17:06 jcamins     sv: the short answer is "probably," the long answer is "as far as I know," and the detailed answer is "I have no idea how." :)
17:05 sv          our library has koha 2.0.0 can we upgrade to 3.04.0
17:05 jcamins     drojf: All the time?
17:04 eythian     not really.
17:04 drojf       all the time?
17:03 Rakesh      i was just asking u that does trdebian has a server distro just like ubuntu has ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server
17:03 eythian     ...
17:03 Rakesh      oh just joking bro
17:03 eythian     You spent longer asking for the link than it would take you to find it.
17:02 eythian     I mean, if you were to type "debian" into a browser, you'd find the download link immediately
17:02 Rakesh      just like ubuntu server is another distro
17:02 eythian     Really?
17:02 Rakesh      so please give me the link to download debian server
17:02 Rakesh      ya
17:01 jcamins     Most people use Debian.
17:01 jcamins     That server can run Debian or Ubuntu.
17:01 jcamins     Koha runs on a server.
17:01 jcamins     A "server" is a computer that serves things to the internet. Debian is often used for servers. Ubuntu is too, sometimes.
17:00 Rakesh      does debian has a server/
17:00 Rakesh      ya i think so
16:59 eythian     but it's not the best idea to put a gui on a server.
16:59 eythian     if you install it, yeah
16:59 Rakesh      so debian has a gui?
16:59 Rakesh      okk
16:59 eythian     I use it on Debian.
16:59 jcamins     Rakesh: no one here uses Koha on Ubuntu.
16:59 eythian     I haven't tested it, so I can't confirm.
16:58 Rakesh      does it work
16:58 Rakesh      please tell me the final bro
16:58 Rakesh      mostly ok ? :)
16:58 wahanui     coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
16:58 jcamins     coding guidelines?
16:56 eythian     but ubuntu should be mostly OK too.
16:56 eythian     it's more likely to work well
16:56 eythian     *debian
16:56 eythian     if you can, install debain
16:56 eythian     yeah
16:56 Rakesh      isnt it?
16:56 Rakesh      that would be the best
16:55 Rakesh      i think i must do a clean install of the server again
16:55 Rakesh      okk
16:55 Rakesh      and thnx again
16:55 eythian     but, still remove the perl stuff in /usr/local
16:55 Rakesh      bii
16:55 Rakesh      okk
16:55 Rakesh      bye for now
16:55 eythian     Rakesh: this way is a lot easier
16:55 Rakesh      srry
16:55 Rakesh      bye fir now
16:55 Rakesh      thnx guys
16:55 Rakesh      okk i must try that and then report u al
16:54 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Add authorities to export tool
16:54 jcamins     paul_p: signed off on your follow-up for bug 8202.
16:53 * eythian   needs to make the packages happier with Ubuntu and do more testing on it really.
16:53 Rakesh      i will try that'
16:53 Rakesh      okk
16:53 jcamins     Just follow the instructions.
16:53 eythian     debian is very similar to Ubuntu
16:53 jcamins     It works the same.
16:53 Rakesh      but thats for debian
16:53 jcamins     Three times.
16:53 jcamins     That page we just posted.
16:53 Rakesh      to install it on ubuntu 12.04 64 bit server
16:53 eythian     Rakesh: dude, it's been posted 3 time in the past minute
16:53 jcamins     Rakesh: I just did.
16:52 Rakesh      please give me the guide page
16:52 wahanui     okay, eythian.
16:52 eythian     no wahanui, koha on debian is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:52 wahanui     thanks drojf :)
16:52 drojf       wahanui botsnack beer
16:52 wahanui     okay, eythian.
16:52 eythian     no wahanui, koha on debian is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:51 wahanui     i think ^^ that page is *great*
16:51 jcamins     ^^ that page
16:51 jcamins     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze
16:51 eythian     I was sure it was in there
16:51 eythian     damn
16:51 eythian     package installation?
16:51 jcamins     Hm.
16:51 Rakesh      yes
16:51 jcamins     Koha 3.8 on Debian?
16:51 jcamins     Installing Koha on debian?
16:51 wahanui     rumour has it koha on debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in Oak's local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server."
16:51 jcamins     koha on debian?
16:51 Rakesh      kk and how to do that'
16:51 eythian     I suspect that with that gone, perl will use the regular versions which should work better.
16:51 wahanui     well, installing koha is one thing. Doing development with it is something else.
16:51 jcamins     installing koha?
16:51 Rakesh      can u give me the link from where u read to install
16:50 jcamins     You need to uninstall everything you installed with CPAN, and reinstall things correctly, using apt.
16:50 eythian     I think that's what's causing the problems
16:50 eythian     I'd move the /usr/local/lib/perl out of the way
16:50 Rakesh      so what should i do now
16:50 jcamins     If you would prefer a 32-bit server, sure. However, I use 64-bit only. I just follow the instructions when installing.
16:50 Rakesh      kk
16:50 eythian     no, that would be unnecessary
16:49 Rakesh      so what should i do now install a 32-bit server
16:49 jcamins     You used CPAN so you demonstrably did *not* follow the instructions this time.
16:49 eythian     but I use the apt methods for everything, so I'm not sure what it would be.
16:49 eythian     My best guess is that something you did the first time doesn't work on 64-bit
16:49 Rakesh      no i followed the instructions
16:49 Rakesh      would the new version be the problem
16:49 eythian     hmm
16:49 Rakesh      and when i tried it to install it on 12.04 64 bit server it gives the following errors
16:48 jcamins     You probably followed the instructions that time.
16:48 Rakesh      with no errors
16:48 Rakesh      and it worked like a charm
16:48 Rakesh      actually i had installled koha on ubuntu 11.10 desktop
16:47 Rakesh      but theres something
16:47 Rakesh      ya
16:47 jcamins     You should do some research online to find out if that is a problem.
16:46 eythian     http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/CPANPLUS-0.9130/lib/CPANPLUS.pm <-- interesting, wonder how that differs from regular cpan
16:46 Rakesh      but while installing it also it says make would not test and install
16:46 jcamins     eythian: ooh, I like jfgi.
16:46 Rakesh      yes
16:46 eythian     hrm, I don't think I know what cpanplus is
16:45 jcamins     Much easier to do it right the first time. :)
16:45 jcamins     Then you should do that. This is why you should follow instructions.
16:45 Rakesh      first and i would like to tell u
16:45 Rakesh      and it says to install cpanplus
16:44 Rakesh      i saw the guide to uninstall'
16:44 drojf       bye kf
16:44 Rakesh      well eythian
16:44 drojf       lol
16:44 kf          bye all :)
16:44 eythian     I'm confusing it with jfgi
16:44 eythian     ahh
16:44 jcamins     Heh.
16:43 eythian     I'm sure the text used to be a bit more ... bitey.
16:43 drojf       but people you send there just see it as a service now
16:43 * jcamins   is a big fan of the mouse cursor animation
16:42 jcamins     I don't know, it's still pretty snarky and wonderful. :)
16:42 drojf       heh
16:41 * eythian   thinks lmgtfy has got a lot less sarcastic over the years.
16:39 * jcamins   fixes it.
16:39 jcamins     Of course, I assigned it to me rather than the author of the patch...
16:38 eythian     ohh nice
16:38 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8353 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Add test to compare sysprefs in db to syspref.sql
16:38 jcamins     Bug 8353 is pretty darn cool.
16:37 eythian     http://lmgtfy.com/?q=uninstalling+through+cpan <-- Rakesh
16:37 Rakesh      please guide how to uninstall
16:36 drojf       eythian: that would be witchcraft
16:36 Rakesh      kk
16:36 jcamins     Rakesh: you'll have to figure it out, then.
16:36 eythian     if only someone were to set up a handy package repository containing everything you need...
16:36 Rakesh      actually i dont no the command and how to uninstall
16:36 drojf       just sayin'
16:36 jcamins     Rakesh: you have to uninstall it via CPAN. You will need to figure out how to do that.
16:36 drojf       also, rangi said it 10 hours ago. ten times at least
16:36 Rakesh      kk
16:36 eythian     I think you have used CPAN and made everything really confused.
16:35 eythian     no, you need to remove it from however it got installed in /usr/local
16:35 jcamins     This is why the instructions say very clearly to only use Debian packages and not CPAN for those packages that are available.
16:35 eythian     (i'm not going to explain how to do that, ask your systems administrator)
16:35 Rakesh      so should i remove the package and reinstalll it
16:35 eythian     ssh into it?
16:35 Rakesh      actually i have no gui running on it so how i can copy paste
16:34 * drojf     giggles
16:34 eythian     (also, you should probably copy-paste, it'll make life so much easier)
16:34 Rakesh      100 var/lib/dpkg/ststus
16:34 eythian     you'll have to remove all the things you installed through CPAN and do it properly.
16:34 Rakesh      500 http://in.archive.ubutntu.com/ubuntu/precise/universe amd64 packages
16:34 eythian     that was a bad idea.
16:33 eythian     the local one is probably installed through CPAN
16:33 eythian     suggest that you have installed it twice,.
16:33 eythian     because the path: usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/Lingua/Stem/Snowball/Snowball.so
16:33 eythian     well that's wierd
16:33 Rakesh      *** 0.952-2build2 0
16:32 Rakesh      Version table
16:32 Rakesh      Candidate 0.952-2build2
16:32 Rakesh      installed: 0.952-2build2
16:31 Rakesh      it  says that
16:30 Rakesh      what it said
16:30 Rakesh      ya i will give u in detail
16:30 Rakesh      i am ubuntu server 12.04 64 bit
16:30 eythian     I don't know, you still haven't told me what the apt-cache policy command says
16:30 Rakesh      okk so u think that the package version is wrong
16:29 eythian     What debian version are you using?
16:29 eythian     I don't know how you'd install the 32-bit version to be honest.
16:29 eythian     probably remove that package and install the proper one.
16:29 Rakesh      i also think that can u please give me the correct command via apt-get to install a64 bit version of this
16:29 eythian     if you had only ran the apt-cache policy command, it probably would have said as much
16:28 Rakesh      so how to correct it
16:28 eythian     you have installed the 32 bit version on a 64 bit machine.
16:28 eythian     you have installed the wrong version of the package.
16:28 Rakesh      Begin failed--compilation aborted
16:28 Rakesh      compilation failed in require
16:28 Rakesh      srry at -e line 0
16:27 Rakesh      at -e lne0
16:27 Rakesh      cant load 'usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2/auto/Lingua/Stem/Snowball/Snowball.so'  for the module Lingua::Stem::Snowball: usr/local/lib/perl5.14.2/auto/Lingua/stem/snowball/Snowball.so: wrong ELF class:  wrong ELF class:ELFCLASS32 at /usr/lib/perl/5.14/Dynaloader.pm line 184
16:25 eythian     that you're taking so long to reply leads me to think that it's not saying "OK"
16:23 Rakesh      perl -MLingua::Stem::Snowball -e 'print "OK\n";' says the following
16:23 eythian     me too
16:22 * jcamins   hopes you're right about it being idempotent. :P
16:21 eythian     so I just need to implement handling of returns and it should work.
16:21 eythian     and the script is (in theory) idempotent
16:21 jcamins     This is an *awesome* script.
16:21 eythian     fortunately, everyone is asleep now
16:21 jcamins     Hm.
16:21 eythian     yeah.
16:21 jcamins     eythian: uh-oh.
16:20 eythian     Drat.
16:20 eythian     gar, my circulation merging script forgot to take into account returns between the file versions.
16:20 jcamins     drojf: awesome! Shari loves kettle corn.
16:20 drojf       jcamins: a huge kettle of kettle corn ;)
16:19 Rakesh      very sory
16:19 Rakesh      o sorry
16:19 drojf       lol
16:19 eythian     <Rakesh> it says that it is to the newest version
16:19 eythian     <eythian> what does apt-cache policy liblingua-stem-snowball-perl say?
16:19 eythian     liblingua-stem-snowball-perl
16:19 eythian     Rakesh: then why did you answer when I told you to run it before?
16:19 Rakesh      i didnt run apt-cache policy command?
16:18 eythian     also, when you ran the apt-cache policy command, what version did it say?
16:18 Rakesh      kk let me check
16:18 jcamins     drojf: I hope it's kettle corn.
16:17 eythian     no, on the command line
16:17 Rakesh      in cpan?
16:17 eythian     and see what it says
16:17 eythian     Rakesh: run this command: perl -MLingua::Stem::Snowball -e 'print "OK\n";'
16:16 jcamins     Thanks.
16:16 jcamins     drojf: lol
16:16 * drojf     offers general afternoon popcorn to everybody
16:15 Rakesh      :s
16:15 Rakesh      yes thesnowball package also says that it is installed but the command ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m  shows that it is not installed'
16:13 eythian     Rakesh: and what does it say is the latet version?
16:13 Rakesh      and for the package Lingua:Stem:Snowball?
16:13 Rakesh      kk
16:12 wizzyrea    for now
16:12 wizzyrea    graphics magick is always a problem. You can safely ignore it
16:12 Rakesh      it says that it is to the newest version
16:12 wizzyrea    keke
16:12 eythian     Rakesh: ^
16:12 eythian     what does apt-cache policy liblingua-stem-snowball-perl say?
16:12 wizzyrea    Rakesh: try apt-get install liblingua-stem-snowball-perl
16:12 Rakesh      and Graphics: magick also gives the same error
16:11 Rakesh      but i checked it through cpan that it is installed
16:11 Rakesh      Libget:Stem:Snowball is nott installed
16:11 Rakesh      ya it tells that
16:10 wizzyrea    from the catalog detail
16:10 eythian     Rakesh: maybe you installed the wrong things. But we don't know because you're not telling us exactly what it says.
16:10 wizzyrea    can you click on items and edit them?
16:10 wizzyrea    i mean, can you search for a title, click on the detail, and see the items?
16:10 tcohen      wizzyrea: don't get it
16:10 Rakesh      and still it gives me the error that two dependencies are not installed
16:09 wizzyrea    tcohen: can you get through to items at all?
16:09 tcohen      and a similar one in circulation.pl
16:09 jcamins     Copy the output you're seeing into paste.koha-community.org.
16:09 jcamins     Details are important.
16:09 Rakesh      i have 3.8,1
16:09 jcamins     Rakesh: so far, you have told us NOTHING that we can use to troubleshoot your problem.
16:09 tcohen      wizzyrea: right
16:09 Rakesh      and i install all 8 via apt-get
16:09 jcamins     Rakesh: what version of Koha do you have?
16:09 wizzyrea    ok so, tcohen - you are trying to click through to an item from the log, and it's giving the error?
16:09 Rakesh      it gave me 8 dependencies to install
16:09 libsysguy   ahhh ok i understand
16:09 Rakesh      and i ran the command ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m  to check that everything installed
16:08 jcamins     He's changing from YUI autocomplete to JQueryUI autocomplete.
16:08 libsysguy   oh
16:08 jcamins     No.
16:08 libsysguy   maybe im misunderstanding...he is modifying the core of the ui modules?
16:08 jcamins     What do you mean?
16:07 libsysguy   jcamins, isn't that going to mess with updating it?
16:07 jcamins     Rakesh: what version of Koha are you using?
16:07 eythian     copy-paste what you're seeing into a paste bin, stuff like that.
16:07 jcamins     libsysguy: oleonard is changing every instance of each control he works on.
16:07 tcohen      this time not using the koha-upgrade-to-3.4 wrapper but the script
16:07 Rakesh      see i have installed all the perl dependencies
16:07 libsysguy   dialog
16:07 libsysguy   oh lol
16:07 tcohen      kf: i've ran that script, but running it again
16:07 jcamins     libsysguy: I mean, which JQueryUI control.
16:07 eythian     versions of things, for example.
16:07 libsysguy   low on the todem i would imagine
16:07 eythian     Rakesh: you're going to have to provide more info.
16:07 libsysguy   sco
16:06 jcamins     libsysguy: which control are you working with?
16:06 libsysguy   thanks jcamins, hdl, and wizzyrea
16:06 Rakesh      hey please i ve a serious issue'
16:06 jcamins     He's doing it one control at a time.
16:06 jcamins     Parts.
16:06 libsysguy   is that implemented?
16:05 jcamins     libsysguy: yes, under no circumstances should you use YUI for something new.
16:05 hdl         there is a branch on his repo about that.
16:05 wizzyrea    yes
16:05 libsysguy   oleonard has been working on jqueryui integration right?
16:05 hdl         but could need some more documentation to help the user.
16:04 jcamins     hdl: so, no need for luck.
16:04 hdl         so works.
16:04 hdl         jcamins: we have been using that for quite a number of things now.
16:03 jcamins     hdl: "lucky"? ;)
16:03 hdl         if you feel lucky, test, and if you enjoy it share that with the community.
16:03 jcamins     Ah, very cool!
16:03 Rakesh      i ran the to check that everything is installed and i havwe instaled everything but still it says that i have not completed the installation of modules
16:02 hdl         those two in our repository are doing that.
16:01 Rakesh      i have run the command to check that i have installled all the perl modules
16:01 jcamins     hdl: we have the syspref tests, but they only check the codebase, not the database.
16:01 tcohen      jcamins: unfortunately, i have both...
16:00 hdl         and in master biblibre, in xt files, you can find syspref.t and check_syspref.t
16:00 tcohen      jcamins: you're right!
16:00 jcamins     hdl++
16:00 kf          have you run the script to remove items from the marc xml?
16:00 jcamins     tcohen: that's not the error message you pasted earlier.
16:00 * kf        read back
16:00 kf          you are updating from 3.1 to 3.8?
16:00 kf          ok
15:59 tcohen      kf: "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2965."
15:59 * jcamins   never heard of that.
15:59 jcamins     Awesome!
15:59 jcamins     hdl: really?
15:59 hdl         jcamins: there is. check_sysprefs.pl in misc ?
15:59 kf          sorry if I missed the description
15:59 kf          tcohen: what exactly is your problem?
15:59 jcamins     Rakesh: you should tell us what your question is.
15:58 tcohen      my problem is that i'm running out of time
15:58 Rakesh      and in the koha directory
15:58 tcohen      i'm on the test server right now
15:58 Rakesh      i have installed all the perl modules
15:58 jcamins     tcohen: and you didn't have this problem on your test server?
15:58 tcohen      (trying to circulate, from old circulation logs, etc)
15:58 hdl         And if you are trying to see the sanity for DB structure, julian developped something but not ported to community.
15:58 tcohen      and i'm having trouble when requesting items info
15:57 tcohen      its a 3.1.x -> 3.8.x upgrade
15:57 jcamins     tcohen: unfortunately, there is no script to tell you if you are lacking any sysprefs in your database.
15:57 tcohen      thanks hdl
15:57 Rakesh      hi any 1 there
15:57 hdl         in order to know which sysprefs are missing.
15:56 hdl         tcohen: you have some checksysprefs t files.
15:55 Rakesh      hi
15:52 wahanui     "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
15:52 wizzyrea    the first question?
15:49 tcohen      i need to find out  the cause of this error or i'll be axed!
15:48 tcohen      are there some sanity checks for koha DB? missing sysprefs, unused sysprefs, invalid data?
15:32 gaetan_B    bye #koha !
15:26 tcohen      i don't know why there should be that info on the record
15:25 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8352 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add automatic printing of 'hold to pull' notices
15:25 khall       bug 8352 ready for signoff if anyone is interested
15:25 eythian     could be.
15:24 tcohen      looks like there is some linkage data missing?
15:22 tcohen      clicking on an item
15:22 tcohen      i'm in the circulation log report
15:22 eythian     what do you do right before it happens?
15:21 tcohen      (.deb 3.8.x install)
15:21 tcohen      "Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Items.pm line 1367."
15:21 tcohen      can anyone recognise this?
15:21 tcohen      hi #koha
15:06 wizzyrea    (despite the "bluevaganza")
15:06 wizzyrea    (she's cool though)
15:05 wizzyrea    (that's one of my librarians, if you can imagine)
15:05 wizzyrea    lol oy.
15:02 relish      Bluevaganza? Sounds like a Jane Fonda word. https://sparklinggnome.wordpress.com (link from http://instagram.com/p/MmwBejtAru)
15:02 kf          I mean... moby dick, quite a lot pages
15:02 * wizzyrea  giggles
15:02 kf          about the book, maybe they don't expect many loans?
15:02 kf          lol
15:01 eythian     I do practice in front of a mirror to perfect it, you know.
15:01 wizzyrea    oh eythian your snark is priceless :)
15:00 wizzyrea    haha
15:00 eythian     sure, but that's what it looked like in the 70's!
14:59 wizzyrea    for those of you who think kansas is barren wasteland: http://instagram.com/p/MmwBejtAru/
14:47 eythian     Not here, i think :)
14:47 SJeffery    It does have a swear word in the title...that could upset some people...
14:46 jcamins     Probably not.
14:46 jcamins     lol
14:45 eythian     Moby Dick?
14:45 jcamins     Maybe it's a controversial book?
14:45 jcamins     SJeffery: buying a new book for closed stacks in a public library?
14:44 eythian     I suppose it could be something they like to keep a copy of and something happened to the previous one.
14:44 jcamins     Academics do it all the time.
14:44 SJeffery    why weird?
14:44 jcamins     Okay, that's weird.
14:44 eythian     though a small one
14:44 eythian     public
14:44 jcamins     eythian: academic?
14:43 eythian     I wonder why they bought something to put it straight on the stack
14:43 eythian     <subfield code="c">STACK</subfield>
14:43 eythian     <subfield code="d">2012-06-22</subfield>
13:32 * mtompset  waves.
13:32 mtompset    Have a good day (24 hour period), I'm off.
13:30 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8329 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , GetLostItems in C4::Items.pm has a SELECT *
13:30 mtompset    I was only pondering this code because my bug 8329 has a modification in the same module.
13:26 mtompset    if the key is 0 length, clearly there's no need to build that part of the SQL either.
13:26 mtompset    and how do you do a "where '' like 'string'"?
13:25 mtompset    Why would you do a "blah like %%"?
13:22 eythian     why length checks?
13:22 mtompset    But it's late... I'll think about that tomorrow.
13:21 mtompset    I figure a if defined and 2 length checks would optimize the generation of SQL statements.
13:21 mtompset    or $where->{$key}
13:20 mtompset    And neither is the value of the $where, which is the hashref that is passed to the function.
13:20 mtompset    push @query_parameters, "%$where->{$key}%";
13:20 mtompset    $query .= " AND $key LIKE ?"; -- the $key length isn't checked.
13:19 mtompset    though, I suppose there could be an improvement in the code.
13:18 mtompset    So my fix is overkilled.
13:18 eythian     ah right
13:18 mtompset    yes, but this fix I put into our system would have been AFTER the warning.
13:18 eythian     No, it won't. But avoiding warnings is good, there's already far too many of them.
13:16 mtompset    yes, but nothing fatal.
13:16 eythian     I would expect it to also throw a warning.
13:14 mtompset    Seems the hash reference of that passed to a subfunction is treated the same as ''
13:14 mtompset    I'm trying to set $v => 1 in a hash but have $v as undefined.
13:13 mtompset    Well, now I'm wondering if I was being over cautious in some of my patches.
12:43 mtompset    Just a couple haven't made it.
12:43 kf          :)
12:38 mtompset    I'm just reconciling my bug fixes on our production system with what I have submitted to make sure they are all there.
12:35 mtompset    Yes, but I'm still struggling with git.
12:35 kf          mtompset: I was right, eh? after the first patch it's easy :)
12:33 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , $search = '0' or 0 will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
12:33 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8349 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Attempted string substitution in C4::Breeding fails on undefined
12:33 mtompset    There bug 8349 and bug 8350 dealt with.
12:22 mtompset    true.
12:22 jcamins     They may not actually be duplicate bugs, but if the patch for the second can completely fix the first as well, better to just have one patch.
12:21 mtompset    DOH!
12:21 mtompset    Didn't...
12:21 mtompset    Did mean to enter a duplicate. :(
12:20 mtompset    Okay.
12:20 jcamins     In that case, I suggest you mark bug one a duplicate of bug two.
12:20 mtompset    if they push 1 before 2, the yes, I'll have to fix the patch up for 2.
12:20 mtompset    If the push 2, before 1, then 1 is already solved.
12:19 jcamins     At that point, depending on the complexity of the patches, bug one will probably be marked "Does not apply" and you'll be asked to revise the patch so that it will apply.
12:19 jcamins     If bug one's patch can only be applied *before* bug two, and someone signs off on bug two first because it is easier to test, the patch for bug one will no longer apply.
12:18 mtompset    Uh, what do you mean by that?
12:17 jcamins     mtompset: you'll be responsible for rebasing if one of the patches is pushed before the other.
12:16 mtompset    Well, I think I'll see also field them both, and let whoever pushes things forward figure out the best course of action.
12:14 jcamins     You could also say the second bug depends on the first bug, if the first bug needs to be fixed before the second.
12:13 jcamins     There's a see also field.
12:13 mtompset    How do I mark the two bugs related in bugzilla?
12:12 mtompset    because there could be a title, author or isbn number '0'
12:12 mtompset    BUT... there's still that ugly set of if statements to fix.
12:12 mtompset    Now, I figured since the first three wouldn't have a space to substitute there's no problem.
12:11 mtompset    And realized that 0,'0','',NULL, and everything other string cases don't work the same.
12:11 mtompset    Then I looked at the if statement.
12:10 mtompset    So, I figured move the search into the if statement below.
12:10 mtompset    You can't substitute on a null.
12:10 mtompset    Around line 182
12:09 mtompset    Take a look at C4::Breeding.pm
12:09 mtompset    the secondary bug is tied in with the first bug.
12:09 mtompset    BUT...
12:09 mtompset    I bug reported the fixed the first bug.
12:08 jcamins     mtompset++ # for fixing the bug
12:08 mtompset    I found a bug... fixed it... and then found a secondary bug.
12:08 wahanui     well, question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
12:08 mtompset    Okay... question.
11:55 libsysguy   among other things :p
11:55 jcamins     libsysguy: it's too forgiving?
11:55 libsysguy   and that is why you shouldn't use svn...
11:55 * jcamins   uses git blame all the time.
11:54 eythian     libsysguy: svn has 'blame' and 'praise' as synonyms.
11:54 jcamins     That was supposed to be "merge"
11:54 eythian     I don't do that for that. I just 'git bz apply' and then 'git commit --amend -s'
11:54 * libsysguy is waiting to see jcamins use the blame function in git
11:53 jcamins     I do use git mere occasionally, when signing off on things.
11:52 eythian     though, git pull == git fetch && git merge, I habitually do them separately.
11:52 kf          lonely developers of koha? ;)
11:52 eythian     it's not too common for me either.
11:51 jcamins     eythian: oh, that makes sense. Not something that happens very often for me.
11:51 eythian     I do if multiple people are working on a feature branch.
11:50 jcamins     kf++
11:50 * jcamins   has never used git pull.
11:49 eythian     I pretty much never use git pull tbh
11:48 eythian     (which may be origin/master in your case)
11:48 eythian     I always use kc/master
11:48 eythian     I don't do git pulls to master
11:48 jcamins     eythian: right.
11:48 mtompset    but if you are doing git pulls to master, then wouldn't that make 'master' the place to check if it exists in master?
11:48 jcamins     eythian: someone else who has the git.k-c.org repo named kc? Cool!
11:48 eythian     yeah, but I deliberately do that in a detached head, so if I mess up and try to commit something, it tells me.
11:47 libsysguy   heh
11:47 jcamins     I check out kc/master when I want to see if a problem exists in master.
11:47 eythian     I always create branches off of kc/master
11:47 jcamins     Right.
11:47 mtompset    So you just git fetch and the create new bug branches without going back to master?
11:47 libsysguy   just to have something to go back to when i invariably screw up
11:46 * libsysguy doesn't either
11:46 * jcamins   doesn't either.
11:46 eythian     I never use my local master branch to avoid confusion.
11:46 eythian     it depends what you want to do really
11:46 jcamins     _This_ is where you do a git pull.
11:45 mtompset    And so how do I correct that?
11:45 eythian     that means that your version of 'master' is 13 commits behind 'origin/master'
11:44 mtompset    What does that mean?
11:44 mtompset    it tells me I am 13 commits behind.
11:44 mtompset    okay... when I 'git checkout master'
11:40 libsysguy   interest in
11:34 libsysguy   you know, usual new job stuff :p
11:33 libsysguy   its good, picking up lots of new processes
11:33 libsysguy   morning kf
11:33 kf          hi libsysguy - how is the new job?
11:30 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8349 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Attempted string substitution in C4::Breeding fails on undefined
11:30 mtompset    bug 8349
11:29 jcamins     Yup.
11:29 mtompset    Okay, so I should keep submitting my patches for it. :)
11:29 jcamins     I won't be doing anything with it.
11:28 mtompset    What about C4::Breeding?
11:28 kf          s
11:28 kf          hope no more earthquake
11:28 kf          good night
11:28 jcamins     mtompset: I rewrote some things.
11:28 mtompset    Have a good night. :)
11:27 rangi       ok, animals are all calm after that shake, time to hit the hay
11:27 mtompset    Isn't jcamins renaming a bunch of C4 libraries to Koha?
11:25 mtompset    But when dealing with if ($var) you need to run through a couple cases. :)
11:23 mtompset    And rangi... I'm already Craaaaaazy! ;)
11:23 kf          pretty opacs
11:23 kf          almost all my examples are nz!
11:23 kf          heh
11:23 wahanui     rumour has it https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ is a research library
11:23 davidnind   https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/
11:22 rangi       plantandfood?
11:22 mtompset    it's the difference between if ($var) and if (defined($var))
11:21 kf          ok, someone with as uggestion for a nice special library's opac? :)
11:17 rangi       mtompset: trying to guess all the possible valid things is the path to madness, just check its non empty
11:15 kf          maybe as a pseudonym
11:15 kf          lol
11:15 eythian     I'm sure it's happened
11:15 eythian     yes
11:13 mtompset    Would anyone change their full legal name to '0'?
11:13 mtompset    What about an author's name?
11:12 * kf        nods
11:12 rangi       its certainly possible
11:11 mtompset    Is there a book or thing that would be entered into koha with the title '0' (without the quotes)?
11:09 mtompset    shoot! I hate fixing something, and then realizing there is a secondary bug to fix as a result.
11:08 rangi       yep
11:07 eythian     Now it's only for something really big that it slows down.
11:07 eythian     geonet has got a lot better in recent years, used to be you could tell how big a quake was by how long it took to respond.
11:07 eythian     so I heard :)
11:07 anitsirk    hi eythian. you missed the action
11:06 anitsirk    rangi: i can't report my "did you feel it" report as that geonet page is down. it seems to happen whenever there is a big quake
11:06 eythian     also, the governmetn :)
11:05 rangi       ahh wellington ... we live on a convergence of fault lines, lets build stilt houses on hills!!
11:04 davidnind   Bit of a worry when you are in an older flat on stilts on the side of a hill!
11:03 anitsirk    you bet. i'm uploading the presentation to slideshare. might as well get it done.
11:03 rangi       davidnind: wasnt it just
11:02 rangi       anitsirk: now you have to wait for the adrenalin to wear off before you can sleep?
11:02 davidnind   Was a quite a shake!  Biggest one I've felt in Wellington for a while (maybe ever?).
10:59 davidnind   Thanks kf.  I can generally only answer the simpler things to date..
10:59 rangi       there's pretty much nowhere that didnt feel that
10:58 rangi       http://geonet.org.nz/earthquake/drums/  kapow!
10:56 kf          davidnind++ #answering mailing list mails :)
10:54 slef        multiposters--
10:54 slef        bah the email I replied to was a second thread by the posted of the 3.2.4 rangi mentioned earlier
10:54 anitsirk    and it was a long one
10:54 anitsirk    yeah. it was something.
10:53 rangi       ohhh shit
10:53 anitsirk    now they said it's 7.0
10:53 kf          hi anitsirk
10:52 rangi       they slept thru it .. nzers :-)
10:52 rangi       and 257km down
10:52 anitsirk    oh my.
10:52 lamiette    anitsirk seriously made my heart leap listening to you
10:52 rangi       it was up near new plymouth
10:52 anitsirk    are the kids ok?
10:52 anitsirk    great to read that.
10:51 anitsirk    i had a bit of a shock as my building had never shaken that much before. but then i'd not have a 6.5 quake in welly before.
10:51 rangi       i am
10:51 anitsirk    hi guys. i hope rangi is fine in his house.
10:51 rangi       heya anitsirk :)
10:50 rangi       so would have felt in in new plymouth
10:50 rangi       yeah 60k west of opunake
10:50 lamiette    geonet has it in the water?
10:49 rangi       e
10:49 rangi       lucky only 4 people live ther
10:48 rangi       thats a long way away
10:48 rangi       opunake
10:47 eythian     but has no news :)
10:47 eythian     stuff.co.nz is pretty slow.
10:46 rangi       yeah it was about 5 seconds
10:46 lamiette    sounded seriously impressive
10:46 lamiette    yeah, she's still talking
10:45 kf          :( did she come back since?
10:45 lamiette    the room then looked at me for confirmation it'd be okay ...
10:45 lamiette    just hear it
10:45 lamiette    we couldn't see her at this stage
10:45 eythian     (the conf being in the UK, and kristina videoing in)
10:45 rangi       the dogs flipped out
10:45 rangi       yeah, it was decent
10:44 eythian     <lamiette> middle of her talking "shit, earthquake *lots of noise - kristina making it to doorway*"
10:44 eythian     <lamiette> guys, we are listening to Kristina at this conf
10:44 rangi       yep
10:43 eythian     also further away than the map makes it look like
10:43 rangi       thats what saved us
10:43 rangi       yeah
10:43 eythian     that's pretty deep
10:42 eythian     258
10:42 eythian     kf: yeah, it's not a 7 :)
10:42 rangi       must have been deep
10:42 eythian     or nearby anyway
10:42 kf          but it's still labelled as moderate?
10:42 eythian     but, in Wellington
10:42 kf          :(
10:42 rangi       ouch
10:41 eythian       6.5
10:41 eythian     http://beta.geonet.org.nz/
10:40 rangi       which usually means its far away
10:40 rangi       and long
10:40 rangi       yep
10:40 rangi       we dont usually feel them in this house
10:40 mtj         meh, felt quite biggish :/
10:40 kf          strong?
10:39 rangi       else somewhere is a mess
10:39 rangi       i hope that was centered here
10:39 kf_lunch    that's probably likely
10:39 eythian     Although, I think if I did, half of the buildings here would have fallen down.
10:38 eythian     I didn't feel it.
10:38 wahanui     i heard earthquake was on the news
10:38 rangi       earthquake
10:37 slef        it must be oldies day!
10:37 * slef      replies with "sarge is dead. Upgrade"
10:36 slef        (collected myself with a pedal while turning)
10:36 slef        that took some doing
10:36 slef        oh actually the last failure was me crashing into my own bike while walking
10:35 slef        kerbs tend to be the usual "failing to cross as a sharp enough angle" error
10:35 slef        I was looking forwards. The last failure I recall was expecting the car to pull away from the lights faster than it did.
10:34 eythian     in slef's case, I'd also add "look forwards"
10:34 slef        cars, kerbs, ...
10:34 eythian     Really it boils down to "bike like a car would drive" :)
10:34 slef        usually I ride into stuff
10:34 slef        the only non-self-inflicted accident I remember is being rear-ended by another cyclist
10:33 mtompset    Sounds manipulative. :P
10:32 eythian     I've learnt how to make cars do what I want them to do for the most part :)
10:31 eythian     She was lucky I wasn't a bus.
10:30 eythian     the only (non-self-inflicted) accident I've had was hitting a pedestrian who walked into the road without looking.
10:30 rangi       i think eythian not yet
10:30 rangi       yeah most cyclists at catalyst have been collected at least once
10:29 slef        some of Wellington's roads didn't look much fun, narrow with too many cars going too fast
10:29 rangi       i rode every weekday for 7 years at uni, but never really have in wellington
10:29 eythian     I just bike around the glass :)
10:29 eythian     I don't on the road, just regular tyres.
10:29 rangi       i honestly havent ridden on the road in years
10:29 eythian     slef: the council in Wellington said the busses were going to get racks about 2017 or so, but I think there was enough of a stink that they're bringing it forward.
10:29 slef        rangi: do you use armoured tyres over there?
10:28 mtompset    I'm guessing.
10:28 slef        Some of the buses in Scotland actually have racks, I hear.  I'm not sure I blieve that.
10:28 mtompset    Because they were running 2.X and 3.4 says it can't upgrade from it?
10:28 eythian     looks like they're following a really old tutorial
10:28 slef        Trains are often limited to 2 non-folders by policy, even though the trains vary between 0 and 8 cycle racks. Buses? hahahahaha
10:27 rangi       3.2.4 ?? why on earth would someone be trying to install that
10:27 slef        I'm still pondering getting a folder because mass transport here is so anti-bike.
10:27 slef        I have one on the west coast and have borrowed one on the east coast.
10:26 rangi       i know a lot of people with more than 3
10:26 rangi       i have an old 10 speed, and 2 mountain bikes, one is a downhill one, which is pretty much useless for anything else, i should get some new tyres for the other one
10:25 rangi       since i left uni
10:25 mtompset    Why would you need 3?
10:25 rangi       i just dont often ride them :)
10:25 mtompset    3 bikes?!
10:25 mtompset    So, I guess staging/import is what I'm looking for.
10:25 rangi       i own 3 bikes
10:25 eythian     heh
10:25 eythian     rangi: for your ... bike?
10:24 rangi       we could send some to slef :)
10:24 mtompset    I did find something about 'module to add biblios to import_records...'
10:24 rangi       eythian: yep i might have to get some
10:24 mtj         ask paul_p  about it :p
10:24 mtj         afaik, its a frenglish translation
10:23 mtompset    perhaps...
10:23 mtj         yeah, thats it real usage
10:22 eythian     I think it's a weird library term
10:22 eythian     isn't that what handles marc staging, or am I wrong?
10:22 mtompset    ha ha ha... It triggered an error and I patched it, so I'd like to bug report and post a patch.
10:20 eythian     rangi: good to see Koha is printed on the top of the new round of Catalyst cycling gear :)
10:20 mtj         mtompset:  its an experimental module, to enable Koha to make babies
10:18 mtompset    What component is C4::Breeding.pm?
10:11 mtompset    I'm just doing some file compares to make sure that any changes I have done have made it into master, or if they were already fixed.
10:11 mtompset    In the midst of my confusion over Zebra/NoZebra... I actually modified some broken NoZebra code on our production machine.
10:10 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
10:10 rangi       attached to bug 7430
10:10 rangi       http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9903
10:09 rangi       theres a patch to do just that already
10:07 mtompset    I suppose that removing NoZebra means that the _AddBiblioNoZebra function will be removed from C4::Biblio.pm?
10:05 vfernandes  its the first time using MARC21 so there is many things different from UNIMARC
10:04 slef        vfernandes: thanks. You're welcome.
10:04 vfernandes  * rangi
10:03 vfernandes  thanks ragi and slef... :D
10:01 vfernandes  the y subfield is in another page
10:01 vfernandes  the field has many subfields that creates another page
10:01 vfernandes  omg forget it...
10:01 rangi       should be
09:59 vfernandes  it's possible to add it right?
09:59 vfernandes  damn it appears in mapping but not in the framework
09:57 rangi       itype 952 y Koha item type
09:56 rangi       vfernandes: yes it is, if its not in yours, there is something messed up in your install
09:56 rangi       alex_a: ahhh, how annoying!
09:56 alex_a      :-/
09:56 vfernandes  MARC Bibliographic framework
09:56 alex_a      just a syspref
09:55 slef        vfernandes: Administation: Koha-MARC links?
09:55 alex_a      LabelMARCView
09:55 alex_a      kf, rangi: it's a syspref
09:55 vfernandes  MARC21 biblio model in KOHA... cataloguing
09:55 rangi       and its fredericd's :)
09:55 rangi       slef: never tried it
09:54 slef        vfernandes: MARC21 model?
09:54 slef        rangi: is tajoli(?)'s synchronous zebraqueue daemon ready yet? It's been on my todo-sometime-when-I-get-time list
09:54 vfernandes  ok... but the MARC21 model doesn't have 952$y...
09:54 mtompset    That will run every 5 minutes.
09:54 mtompset    So, Herwig, change the 1 to */5
09:54 rangi       thats item level itemtype :)
09:54 slef        vfernandes: and 952$y
09:53 rangi       thats biblio level itemtype
09:53 slef        (or it should be)
09:53 slef        vfernandes: itemtype is 942$c, also on that page.
09:53 mtompset    true...
09:53 vfernandes  right... but how about itemtype?
09:53 rangi       or your search will be telling people stuff is on the shelves when its not
09:53 rangi       mtompset: you want it running every 5 if you are circulating items
09:53 wahanui     The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
09:53 slef        vfernandes: @marc 952
09:52 vfernandes  Hi guys... can anyone explain to me how MARC21 items works? all my projects until today were using UNIMARC
09:51 Herwig      lol ok
09:51 mtompset    I'll just take a coke. ;)
09:51 Herwig      thx peeps never got out off this without this help ill buy you all a beer
09:50 mtompset    Where is the old data coming from?
09:50 Herwig      now the next part starts getting my old data in the system :OP
09:50 mtompset    But I doubt you are adding things that you need to see every 5 minutes.
09:49 mtompset    no, you could change it as you want.
09:49 Herwig      must i put it on 1 min ?
09:49 * mtompset  nods.
09:49 Herwig      thats the one in the cronjobs
09:49 mtompset    that's fine... that's updates hourly on the first minute.
09:48 Herwig      1 * * * *    koha    /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
09:48 Herwig      i think i do sec
09:47 mtompset    -b -a -z?
09:47 mtj         yay! /me hands Herwig a doppelbock
09:47 mtompset    or just a updates?
09:46 mtompset    -b -a -r
09:46 mtompset    Are you running a full reindex in a cron job?
09:46 mtompset    That's a good start.
09:45 Herwig      :) :) :)
09:45 Herwig      omg i have results
09:45 mtompset    I might be able to make some suggestions.
09:45 Herwig      :)
09:45 mtompset    Me too! YAY!
09:44 Herwig      ubuntu virtual server
09:44 Herwig      i'm used to linux at home but not the code type things so its all learning for me
09:44 mtompset    Are you running Debian?
09:44 Herwig      lol :)
09:43 mtompset    I feel your pain. I was doing that for the last week.
09:43 Herwig      fighting it with help from some peeps here
09:43 mtompset    Oops... too slow. Someone pointed out checking KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB already. :)
09:43 Herwig      yup
09:42 mtompset    Herwig... are you talking about Zebra?
09:42 Herwig      good news i got a listing and it said cleaning (i hope its good news)
09:41 alex_a      yes, marc is correct. Not the display
09:41 kf          alex_a: no, doesn't look good - I downloaed the marc from opac, that looks correct, so it's the display
09:41 Herwig      ill try
09:40 mtj         Herwig: 'export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib'  is probably correct for you...
09:40 Herwig      time for googling that :P
09:38 rangi       alex_a: ouch, that doesnt look good at all
09:38 Herwig      no i dont now where to point it
09:38 mtj         Herwig: your PERL5LIB  line is incorrect - (it points to a non-existing dir?)
09:38 alex_a      rangi, kf: the result in staff: http://postimage.org/image/s7faahkiv/
09:37 rangi       seems ok in master with marc21 .. so it might be specific to unimarc
09:37 rangi       thats latest 3.8.x kf
09:36 rangi       yeah i just tested master with marc21
09:36 kf          Koha 3.0801002
09:36 kf          so maybe very recent or only unimarc?
09:36 kf          seems ok on the bywater test installation with marc21
09:36 hdl         3.8, not tested yet on master.
09:36 rangi       id suspect css changes then
09:36 kf          http://model.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=11363
09:35 alex_a      rangi: broken in staff and opac
09:35 rangi       and in master?
09:35 Herwig      Hey all still stuck in finding a way to get the search engine running here ... if annyone got some tips  ... i did what someone posted here yesterday but ... http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/10.JPG still in trouble ... but not giving up :P
09:35 hdl         rangi: broken in both
09:34 kf          looking in bywater's test installaton now
09:34 rangi       alex_a: is it ok in staff? or broken in staff and opac?
09:33 mtj         remove-nozebra-syspref++
09:33 hdl         as far as i know
09:33 hdl         kf was ok in 3.6
09:33 kf          morning
09:33 Herwig      Morning
09:31 kf          looks ok there :(
09:31 kf          that's 3.6.3
09:30 kf          [off] https://seminar-weingarten.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=521
09:30 kf          and there is a button to bring up the marc marc view :)
09:30 kf          alex_a: I think in marc21 this is the "labelled marc view"
09:29 wahanui     hmmm... no is failing unit tests
09:29 alex_a      no ?
09:29 alex_a      you should have marc view
09:29 alex_a      plain marc view ?
09:29 kf          or does this not exist for UNIMARC?
09:29 kf          I am missing the plain marc view
09:28 kf          itlooks wrong too
09:28 alex_a      field
09:28 alex_a      all subfields are grouped in one fields
09:28 alex_a      yes
09:28 kf          yeah, every time there is more than one of it?
09:28 alex_a      kf: all multivalued fields :(
09:27 wahanui     interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
09:27 kf          hm interesting
09:27 alex_a      i have 2 fields 606 in marcxml
09:27 alex_a      look at the 606 field
09:27 alex_a      kf: http://catalogue.migrationinsarouen.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=85
09:25 wahanui     which fields are associated with authority records.
09:25 kf          and which fields?
09:25 kf          alex_a: can you show a screenshot?
09:23 rangi       hmm i havent encountered that yet
09:23 alex_a      it's the first time i see that ...
09:22 alex_a      All my multiple fields are grouped in one on staff or opac display using koha 3.8. has someone already encountered this problem?
09:20 rangi       hard=had
09:20 rangi       yes its hard the warning for a while now, no one reads it, so best to just kill it
09:20 * druthb    celebrates the impending doom of NoZebra.
09:19 mtj         ok, lets just kill the zebra/nozebra syspref, and have a big warning in the release-notes :)
09:18 druthb      Hi, mtj!  :D
09:18 mtj         heya druthb :)
09:17 mtj         yep, but the 'nozebra' syspref option is still there right? to confuse peepz
09:17 druthb      Naah.  Up early-ish.
09:17 rangi       ?
09:17 rangi       working late
09:17 rangi       hi druthb !
09:17 * mtompset  nods, "killing is better."
09:17 rangi       it doesnt work, theres no point even having it :)
09:17 druthb      o/
09:16 rangi       i think we should kill it good now
09:16 mtompset    Actually, can we display it as "Zebra (depreciated)"? I know that's backwards... but the thing that was confusing is use setting for NO ZEBRA.
09:16 rangi       well we did that already, its been marked as deprecated in release notes since 3.4
09:15 mtj         and... hi #koha :)
09:15 mtj         ... as a temporary measure, before deleting it completely
09:14 mtj         i was thinking... should we rename the 'nozebra' syspref to 'nozebra (depreciated)' ?
09:13 * mtompset  nods, "That no zebra stuff was confusing me for a bit too."
09:11 rangi       we must remove all that no zebra stuff, its confusing another poor person
09:09 rangi       git rules
09:09 rangi       by doing a git stash apply
09:08 rangi       and you will be back with the file, but you can get your changes back
09:08 rangi       that will stash away your changes (which we have just marked as uncommitted)
09:08 wahanui     git stash is for saving and restoring unstaged (and uncommited) changes.
09:08 rangi       git stash
09:08 rangi       that will reset it, then you can do
09:07 mtompset    ah, okay.
09:07 mtompset    one.
09:06 rangi       yep
09:06 lamiette    ah yeah, Kevin?
09:06 rangi       lamiette: heya, just was talking to someone else who is at maharauk
09:06 rangi       git reset HEAD^ if its one HEAD^2 etc
09:05 rangi       how many commits ago is that mtompset ?
09:05 lamiette    just saw your ping
09:05 mtompset    I want to set it back to the not quite right version
09:05 lamiette    rangi: you still about?
09:05 mtompset    I already have a branch for bug_8175
09:04 rangi       then yuo will be on a new branch with the files all at that point
09:04 rangi       git checkout -b mybranch commitid
09:04 mtompset    I'm new to git, so how do I do that?
09:04 rangi       so find the commit from when you want to check it out
09:03 rangi       you can checkout any commit
09:02 mtompset    revert to the one that wasn't on my machine initially
09:01 mtompset    um.... further back...
08:59 rangi       git checkout filename
08:59 mtompset    ^to^do^
08:59 mtompset    how to I revert the one file back to original one?
08:58 mtompset    Hmmm... perhaps you could help me.
08:57 rangi       sounds good to me
08:57 Oak         actually electricity will go out in 3 minutes..so I'll talk to you later ....
08:57 mtompset    "Check for something in materials field fails in catalogue/details.pl"?
08:56 Oak         kf what is you presentation about?
08:56 rangi       mtompset++
08:56 rangi       excellent
08:56 mtompset    Okay... off to update the description, then put up a new patch.
08:55 rangi       :)
08:55 rangi       you are, but not without updating the description
08:55 mtompset    That's true.
08:55 rangi       it just helps people test properly, and helps the release notes
08:55 Oak         mtompset++
08:55 mtompset    I reported the bug... am I not allowed to creep? ;)
08:55 rangi       cool thanks
08:55 mtompset    Okay, I'll make that tweak to the bug description.
08:55 rangi       like i say, its probably right, but its a change in what the bug was reported as
08:54 rangi       so you should say that
08:54 rangi       that isn't the same
08:54 rangi       now you are making it check there is something that is not whitespace
08:54 mtompset    But I do see what you are saying about scope creep.
08:54 rangi       yes
08:54 mtompset    hence the ne ''.
08:53 rangi       so you should make sure you update the bug description to say that
08:53 mtompset    actually, it was checking if there was something in the materials field.
08:53 mtompset    Well...
08:53 rangi       it might be right, but its definitely scope creep
08:53 rangi       originally it was silencing a warn, now you are changing behaviour
08:52 rangi       you're scope creeping :)
08:52 mtompset    if materials_flag was always one you'd have a blank column, which is what the check is hoping to avoid.
08:51 mtompset    a blank column is a blank column.
08:51 mtompset    because I'm pretty sure the output doesn't care about "     "
08:51 rangi       hmm
08:51 Oak         ah. hmm.
08:50 mtompset    a defined() with a =~ /\S/
08:50 kf          oh, needs lots more work today
08:50 Oak         hello kf :) how does the presentation look?
08:50 rangi       cool
08:50 mtompset    Yep.
08:50 rangi       the new patch?
08:50 mtompset    I've got a patch. I'll attach it. It doesn't break the functionality.
08:49 rangi       yep, the patch has changed the functionality, a warn in the logs is better than a regression
08:49 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
08:49 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8348 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , useDaysMode syspref does not apply
08:48 rangi       i think bug 8348 is a duplicate of bug 8110
08:48 mtompset    I was just wondering what you might have thought regarding Ian's comments. It merits a revision to the patch, correct?
08:47 mtompset    Hi, rangi. You were the one who signed off the patch on 8175, right?
08:47 kf          hm? I only saw he said hi
08:47 mtompset    kf, how is it that you see Oak?
08:42 rangi       lyon3++
08:41 rangi       hi mtompset
08:40 kf          hi Oak
08:39 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.
08:17 Oak         hello rangi ! :)
08:16 rangi       hi Oak
08:15 Oak         kia ora #koha
08:09 rangi       lamiette: you about?
08:08 rangi       heh
08:08 drojf1      it's a nice way to get awake
08:08 rangi       drojf1++ #answering random questions on the mailing list
08:03 huginn      rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
08:03 rangi       @wunder nzwn
07:58 huginn      kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:55 AM CEST on July 03, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:58 kf          @wunder Konstanz
07:57 huginn      drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (9:42 AM CEST on July 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:57 drojf1      @wunder berlin, germany
07:56 drojf1      hi kf and rangi
07:55 rangi       hi drojf1
07:55 kf          hi drojf
07:55 drojf1      crazy router
07:54 drojf1      and again
07:52 drojf1      good morning #koha
07:50 sophie_m    Guten Tag kf
07:50 kf          bonjour sophie_m
07:50 sophie_m    hi rangi
07:50 rangi       hi sophie_m
07:44 kf          morning paul_p
07:37 paul_p      (good evening rangi)
07:37 paul_p      good morning #koha
07:37 rangi       hi paul_p
07:25 * kf        nods
07:25 rangi       im just doing unmoderated
07:25 rangi       yeah
07:25 kf          so it would be a lot more work to implement that and I don't think people really want it
07:24 kf          I think we don't allow comments without being logged in anyway right now
07:24 kf          makes sense
07:23 rangi       and make it say, allow unmoderated comments
07:22 rangi       anyway, im gonna take this bug
07:22 rangi       i resigned in march 2008
07:22 rangi       i was working there then
07:21 rangi       heh yeah
07:21 kf          Joshua and I... ooold.
07:21 kf          ah there it is
07:21 huginn      04Bug 1598: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, NEW , Make OPAC reviews a comments system (like Flickr, YouTube, etc)
07:20 rangi       http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1598
07:20 kf          yep
07:20 rangi       yeah never got made/pushed
07:19 kf          look at the bug
07:19 kf          yes, that sounds like you
07:19 rangi       that sounds like me all right
07:19 kf          lol
07:19 rangi       Needs a script to delete a review and to approve one. Will work on this later (taking a break to watch rugby)
07:19 rangi       Admin interface to approve reviews, not finished yet
07:19 kf          oh
07:19 rangi       Date:   Sat Jun 17 04:26:38 2006 +0000
07:19 rangi       Author: rangi <rangi>
07:19 rangi       no the original code
07:19 kf          notsure where the duplicate bug is it mentions
07:18 kf          looks morelike frederic?
07:18 rangi       lol
07:18 rangi       Date:   Sat Sep 3 00:05:40 2005 +0000
07:18 rangi       Author: rangi <rangi>
07:18 rangi       lol i wrote this crap
07:17 huginn      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1868 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, RESOLVED MOVED, Comments in OPAC
07:17 kf          bug 1868
07:17 rangi       yeah a pref and and couple of lines in C4/Review.pm
07:17 wahanui     interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
07:17 kf          hm interesting
07:16 kf          I don't mind prefs too and I thin this one would make sense - but needs a patch :)
07:16 rangi       i dont mind prefs, prefs are better than doing it any other way
07:16 kf          I think that will need another pref :(
07:15 rangi       right, those are bugs alright, but i still need to be able to create an unmoderated comment :)
07:15 kf          but I still have to confirm that, was testing something else and ran out of time
07:15 kf          edit a moderated comment - it will create a new comment
07:15 kf          add a new comment, hit f5 - it will disappear
07:15 rangi       the real problem for me is i cant turn moderation off
07:14 kf          but what I saw is:
07:14 rangi       hmm buggy in what way?
07:14 kf          I have to retest and file a bug report
07:14 kf          the problem is that comments are buggy right now
07:14 rangi       darn
07:14 kf          I think only for tags, but not entirely sure
07:13 rangi       did we used to be able to turn moderation on reviews off? i thought we could?
07:13 kf          good morning #koha
07:12 rangi       hmmm
07:10 rangi       hi gaetan_B
07:10 gaetan_B    hello
06:55 rangi       hi laurence
06:49 rangi       hiya francharb
06:48 wahanui     niihau, Judit1
06:48 Judit1      hi
06:47 francharb   hello
06:41 cait        lol
06:40 rangi       useless facts i know that help win beer at pub quizzes
06:39 rangi       or a rep in the house of congress either
06:38 rangi       did you know DC doesnt have a senator?
06:36 rangi       its all the same place
06:36 Judit1      fro some
06:36 rangi       i think it might actually end up in somewhere in maryland (which is the state surrounding DC) but for us non usians
06:36 Judit1      i guess :)
06:36 Judit1      National Capital Region of the United States is ore impressive
06:36 alex_a      s/then/than/
06:36 rangi       hehe this is true :)
06:36 alex_a      washington DC is shorter then National Capital Region of the United States :)
06:35 Judit1      only one washington d c
06:35 alex_a      \o
06:35 Judit1      better
06:35 alex_a      Washington D.C. ?
06:34 Judit1      there are more washingtons
06:34 alex_a      it's Washington right ?
06:34 alex_a      National Capital Region of the United States => why not just Washington ?
06:34 rangi       from fmarier, quite a good write up
06:34 rangi       http://blog.networksaremadeofstring.co.uk/2012/07/01/i-build-high-availability-platforms-so-cloud-is-not-for-me/
06:33 rangi       hehe
06:31 Judit1      ah, just drink more
06:30 alex_a      i will try to improve my english ...
06:30 alex_a      rangi: :)
06:27 Judit1      in many ways
06:27 rangi       beer always works
06:26 Judit1      :D
06:26 * cait      thinks beer seemed to work too
06:25 rangi       i promise to try to learn some french before next kohacon
06:24 rangi       even if we have to communicate with sign language :-)
06:24 * rangi     hopes he gets to hang out with alex_a again
06:22 rangi       http://koha-community.org/kohacon-2013-voting-open/
06:22 cait        KohaCon13 vote is http://survey.web2learning.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=91534
06:22 rangi       its on koha-community.org  too
06:22 alex_a      thx !
06:21 cait        http://survey.web2learning.net/limesurvey/index.php?sid=91534
06:21 alex_a      cait: Could you give me the link ? I will share with biblibre
06:21 alex_a      :)
06:21 alex_a      cait: where it is ?
06:21 cait        alex_a: why not?
06:20 alex_a      i didnt vote neither
06:18 alex_a      hi rangi
06:18 Judit1      i am  not going, so it is not fair to vote i guess
06:18 Judit1      vote
06:18 Judit1      i didnt
06:18 rangi       i sure did
06:18 rangi       you voted for kohacon13 yet?
06:17 Judit1      did you have fun at kohacon?
06:17 rangi       hi alex_a and Judit1
06:14 alex_a      salut cait
06:14 Judit1      hi all
06:14 cait        hi alex_a and Judit1
06:14 Judit1      :)
06:14 alex_a      bonjour
06:13 cait        lol
06:12 rangi       my bill is in the mail
06:10 rakesh3     :)
06:10 rakesh3     will contact u in the future if any prob occur'
06:10 rakesh3     thnx for all your guide
06:08 rakesh3     and there was a serious error that couldnt make "makefile.pl" for xxxxxxxxxxxxx.tar.gz
06:07 rakesh3     ok
06:07 rangi       if you install with cpan, you need to watch the bug trackers of all the modules to make sure you upgrade when you need to
06:07 rakesh3     okk
06:07 rangi       that way you get them upgraded for security etc
06:06 rakesh3     kk i will install through ubuntu aptitude'
06:06 rakesh3     bcause i tried to install koha earlier on ubuntu desktop and it worked like a charm
06:06 rangi       whats a problem is not using the ubuntu packaged versions of the modules
06:06 rangi       no
06:05 rakesh3     and i would like to ask u that i ve installed the 12.04 version of ubuntu server does that make  a problem?
06:05 rakesh3     kk
06:04 rangi       dont install from cpan, for anything
06:04 rangi       17:46 <@rangi> sudo apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
06:04 rangi       17:44 <@rangi> rakesh1: dont install it from cpan
06:03 rakesh3     and secong goes the rror it says install seems impossible
06:03 rakesh3     srry makefile.pl
06:02 rakesh3     1st is the makefiel error
06:02 rakesh3     it gives me two errors
06:02 rakesh3     my prob is that i get error while installing XML:LibXSLT via cpan
05:57 rakesh3     any 1?
05:56 rakesh3     rakesh, rakesh1, rakesh2 actually my internet disconnects
05:55 rakesh3     same person
05:55 rakesh3     hi any 1 there?
05:47 rangi       sudo apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
05:45 rangi       rakesh1: dont install it from cpan
05:45 rangi       and for 12.04 they all are
05:45 rakesh1     how to solve that
05:45 rakesh1     make cannot install and test
05:45 rakesh1     package it also says install impossible moreover gives 1 more error that cannot make "makefile.pl"
05:45 rangi       you should only ever use cpan if the file is not packaged in ubuntu
05:45 rangi       do that from packages too
05:44 rakesh1     and secondly the error also comes in installing XML::Libxslt
05:43 rakesh1     i will try that
05:43 rakesh1     kk
05:43 rangi       sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl
05:43 rakesh1     plz guide how to install it through the ubuntu package method
05:41 cait        it makes your life a looo teasier
05:41 rakesh1     how to do that plz guide'
05:41 cait        you should
05:41 rakesh1     no ive not tried ti use the ubuntu packages
05:41 rakesh1     ya
05:41 rangi       17:32 <@rangi> not use the ubuntu packages?
05:41 rangi       17:32 <@rangi> why would you do that?
05:41 rangi       17:32 < rakesh> i am doing it in cpan
05:41 rangi       17:32 < rakesh> no, ive done install net:Z3950:zoom
05:41 rangi       the same people as last time you asked
05:40 rakesh1     hi any 1 there?
05:34 rangi       not use the ubuntu packages?
05:34 rangi       why would you do that?
05:33 rakesh      i am doing it in cpan
05:33 rakesh      no, ive done install net:Z3950:zoom
05:31 rangi       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_SIP2_server_setup
05:31 rangi       and for sip2
05:31 rangi       rakesh: doing sudo apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl ?
05:30 rakesh      it says installation seems impossible
05:30 rakesh      i am facing error in installing perl dependencies for koha, ubuntu version is 12.04, namely Net::Z3950::ZOOM
05:28 rakesh      Hi
05:28 mtompset    sip2?
05:28 * mtompset  doesn't know the answer. :(
05:25 rakesh      any one there?
05:24 rakesh      Hi
05:10 mib_x2j5y8  dear friends how can installed and use koha SIP2 please help me ......
05:07 mib_x2j5y8  hi dear all of you i am pankaj  i am use koha 3.8 and i want to installed SIP2 .
04:30 mib_5tfxyk  ok
04:29 * mtompset  doesn't know the answer. :(
03:55 mib_5tfxyk  please let me know script to get checkin report in date range
03:54 wahanui     what's up, mib_5tfxyk
03:54 mib_5tfxyk  hello
03:51 vkm         in koha report library there is no such script or let me know any trick to get the above report please
03:50 vkm         may i know a script to get checkin report in a date range
03:50 vkm         hello all
03:40 mtompset    Greetings, Judit1
03:30 wahanui     privet, Judit1
03:30 Judit1      hi
03:21 mtompset    Greetings, #koha.