Time Nick Message 22:10 jcamins 74 lines to add one subfield to a half dozen fields. 22:08 jcamins (it works fine, but you remove other punctuation and keep slashes? 22:07 jcamins Also, who thought "/" was a good character to put in an ID? 22:06 cait jcamins: sounds familiar 22:02 jcamins ugh. 22:02 jcamins I mean, the concept is fine, but the implementation... 22:02 * jcamins curses whoever thought frameworks would be a good idea. 21:58 kathryn ah... stink 21:58 kathryn think I left you time for a pie or sammie :) 21:58 rangi Plane is 20 mins late 21:58 rangi I should make 1 21:57 rangi Cool 21:57 kathryn rangi: 1pm. and tomorrow you're expected there 9 - 2.45pm 21:56 rangi Kathryn: did we tell waimate a time I'd arrive? 21:56 drojf always good to have a plane to blame 21:55 rangi Looks like I'm gonna be late 21:55 rangi Hmm no plane yet 21:53 drojf i guess i will try to get it do what i want before i try to make it less ugly :D 21:52 schuster well its time for me to say so long! Have a great evening! 21:52 rangi Htmlstreaming.name or blah 21:52 drojf i will have ifs inside ifs i guess :/ 21:52 cait cjh: eew 21:51 cait I send that much letters in a year normally 21:51 cjh there are places where we have IFs inside IFs and all on a single line :( 21:51 cait that' svery unusual 21:51 cait 4 letters for the post box tomorrow morning 21:51 cait wow 21:51 cait I think so too 21:51 cait yep 21:50 cait but anything that's even better is welcome too :) 21:50 rangi I think 21:50 jcamins cait: don't scare drojf off! 21:50 rangi Also you can do or 21:50 rangi Yeah that's leftover from htp 21:50 cait instead of combining them into one if 21:50 cait s 21:50 cait that's hardly readable in some place 21:50 cait we do one for each condition 21:50 cait for a start I would be happy to get rid of some if statements 21:49 jcamins Even better would be includevariable(HTML5Streaming.username) 21:49 jcamins [% PROCESS includevariable variable=HTML5Streaming.username %] 21:49 jcamins We should have a block for that. 21:49 jcamins No, that's the way we do it. 21:48 drojf what is a sane way to test if a value exists and if so, put it into tt? [% IF HTML5Streaming.username %][% HTML5Streaming.username %][% END %] looks not very straight forward? 21:47 rangi :) 21:46 jcamins I knew that at some point, apparently, since I got it right last time. 21:46 rangi TT pages have a good write up 21:46 rangi Include locally scoped 21:45 rangi Process changes values in the calling thing 21:45 jcamins So it would seem. 21:44 rangi Well process and include are different 21:44 jcamins :) 21:44 jcamins You have to *PROCESS* the include. 21:44 jcamins Oh. 21:42 jcamins No, that doesn't seem to be it. 21:42 jcamins Can you not include things from other include files? 21:35 * rangi complains on Twitter 21:35 rangi It's freezing in here 21:35 abracada1ra jcamins: ok man... very thanks 21:34 jcamins If you look on the wiki, you'll find a link to sample data somewhere. 21:33 wahanui it has been said that wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 21:33 jcamins wiki? 21:33 wahanui well, marc data is being migrated from 2.2.9 to 3.2 21:33 jcamins marc data? 21:33 jcamins marc sample data? 21:33 abracada1ra jcamins: do you have example .mrc file ? for tests in vufind? 21:29 jcamins What do you mean, selectoption not found? I'm looking at it! 21:28 rangi Mine either 21:27 cjh heh, shouldnt be too difficult. Although my css isn't good enough. 21:27 rangi :) 21:27 rangi That screams dont use me in production 21:26 rangi But something (other than url) 21:26 jcamins Right. 21:26 rangi I dont want to change CSS as often that's what i want them to test 21:25 rangi And ppl won't get confused with the live site 21:24 rangi So I can switch a site to be staging 21:24 jcamins Waylon could use it. 21:24 jcamins I'm not sure how to do that, but it's an intriguing idea. 21:24 rangi A switch that puts a watermark on every page 21:23 rangi You know what I want 21:23 jcamins Which is a shame, 'cause I've decided that the VIEW would be nicer. 21:23 jcamins Yup. :) 21:23 rangi Ahh in that case block it is 21:22 jcamins Wait... VIEW API is expected to change. 21:22 rangi U know what 21:22 rangi Yay :) 21:21 cait :) 21:21 jcamins A view it is. 21:21 jcamins Good call. 21:21 jcamins Hm, yeah, maybe a view is better. 21:21 jcamins I was thinking a block. 21:21 rangi And the formblock(stuff) in the tt 21:21 jcamins A view? 21:20 rangi It could contain a view 21:20 jcamins (with rangi's encouragement;) 21:20 * jcamins boldly creates one. 21:20 rangi With the tt caching we have its super fast 21:20 * jcamins would like a form-blocks.inc 21:19 rangi And use them. Thats what we need to do 21:19 rangi Make more includes 21:19 jcamins doc-head-open. 21:19 jcamins Is there anything that is included in ABSOLUTELY every page? 21:18 jcamins It does, and that was my first thought. 21:18 jcamins :) 21:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search 21:18 jcamins That was the entire point of bug 7943. 21:18 jcamins The options are defined in the template. 21:18 jcamins Please hold. 21:18 * jcamins makes one up. 21:18 jcamins It feels like there should be a construction that does this for me. 21:18 jcamins Which I will do, but it's so much duplicated code. 21:17 cait if that makes any sense 21:17 cait and in the loop it checks for selected = 1 and then it's only one if else construct 21:17 cait I think I have seen that 21:17 cait why not pass the selected value wth the loop? 21:16 cait you don't want to put the if inside of the <option> tag 21:16 cait yes 21:16 jcamins We do things like this: [% IF ( limit == 10 ) %]<option value ="10" selected="selected">10 titles</option>[% ELSE %]<option value="10">10 titles</option>[% END %] 21:15 jcamins I'm looking for another example now. 21:15 jcamins We seem to use [% IF %]... I think for translations reasons. 21:14 jcamins Right. 21:14 cait a saved value? 21:14 cait previously selected - what do you mean by that? 21:14 cait aren't there a lot of examples for that in koha? 21:13 jcamins I would like the option that was previously selected to be selected when the page loads. 21:13 jcamins I have a <select> with 9 <options> 21:13 cait not sure what you want to do... 21:13 cait switch? 21:12 jcamins Anyone? 21:11 jcamins (in a select box) 21:10 jcamins There must be a better way to choose which entry is selected than a dozen if statements. 21:00 kathryn hey cait! 21:00 cait morning kathryn :) 20:59 kathryn morning all :) 20:58 jcamins Well, sort of. 20:58 jcamins Woohoo! I got this working! 20:56 jcamins Well, that's something. 20:56 wizzyrea interesting the instructions aren't for LLILS, they do point you to download the community version 20:54 wizzyrea O.o doh 20:52 drojf i thought i would write a comment for that outdated blog post, but it seems i would have to allow 10-20 other domains to embed stuff to get the form. i hate this 20:50 cait safe travels and good morning rangi 20:50 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Oamaru North, Oamaru, New Zealand is 8.3°C (8:48 AM NZST on June 28, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Rising). 20:50 rangi @wunder waimate, nz 20:49 * rangi just checked in at airport off to waimate today 20:49 rangi Heh 20:49 jcamins I was annoyed yesterday, and more annoyed today, so by tomorrow I was going to be downright grouchy. ;) 20:49 jcamins rangi: thanks. 20:48 rangi jcamins: done 20:43 abracada1ra nnow talked with those who understand, I make the correct process of installation 20:42 abracada1ra nice 20:42 abracada1ra ok 20:42 abracada1ra hmm 20:42 jcamins :) 20:42 jcamins Sorry, wizzyrea. 20:41 jcamins http://koha-community.org/support/ 20:41 abracada1ra for newbies 20:41 wizzyrea http://koha-community.org/support/ 20:41 abracada1ra this would greatly facilitate the installation of software 20:41 wizzyrea … not true, actually 20:41 abracada1ra and comunity website dont have link for IRC support 20:41 wizzyrea it's very unfortunate. 20:41 wizzyrea they stole our domain a few years ago. 20:40 abracada1ra :( 20:40 jcamins abracada1ra: yes, it's unfortunate. :( 20:40 abracada1ra jcamins: the result of the google liblime Koha appears before the Koha open community 20:40 drojf is that the official vufind channel? 20:40 jcamins My guess would be that there was a problem after your IT guy installed it. 20:39 abracada1ra jcamins: this process of searching I have broken my system 20:38 jcamins abracada1ra: they were mistaken about LibLime Koha being the open source project. That's all. :) 20:38 wizzyrea liblime ILS is based on Koha, but it's not what we support 20:38 jcamins wizzyrea: fair enough. 20:37 abracada1ra and telme for this channel 20:37 drojf :P 20:37 drojf you can't spell freedom with fee 20:37 abracada1ra jcamins: later i join in #koha in freenode.org 20:37 wizzyrea well, liblime will help you with it, for a fee. A large fee. 20:37 abracada1ra jcamins: i find manual google... and blog result 20:37 jcamins Unless you want to pay LibLime. 20:37 jcamins abracada1ra: I can't recommend, because *no one* will help you with it. 20:36 jcamins Yeah, that's what makes it so noteworthy that s/he recommends installing a version of Ubuntu that's three years out of date. 20:36 abracada1ra jcamins: US friend in freenode.org #vufind recomend to me liblime koha 20:36 wizzyrea i'm not saying it's right, just that it's not that old ;) 20:35 jcamins abracada1ra: yes, better to A) install Debian, and B) use the current instructions where are included with Koha. 20:35 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, but it's suggesting that people install Jaunty, which is from 2009. 20:35 abracada1ra jcamins: bad manual? 20:34 drojf that is strange 20:34 drojf i just saw that 20:34 wahanui I LIKE SCIENCE 20:34 drojf wizzyrea 20:34 drojf yes 20:34 wizzyrea it's not *that* old, december 2011 20:33 jcamins And if we could get him/her to point out that the instructions maintained by the community are more up-to-date. 20:33 jcamins I wonder who that is. 20:32 jcamins It does indeed. 20:31 drojf that blog post keeps up sending people with problems over 20:30 abracada1ra http://clean-clouds.com/2011/12/22/open-source-ils-installation-guide-for-koha-on-ubuntu-10-04-lts-with-mysql-5/ 20:30 abracada1ra i use this manual 20:29 abracada1ra ok 20:28 jcamins *caused 20:28 jcamins Right. It's a much bigger problem than that could have called. :( 20:28 jcamins Yeah, that shouldn't be enough to break it. 20:27 abracada1ra in bottom of file 20:27 abracada1ra http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces = 1 20:27 abracada1ra [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser] 20:26 abracada1ra add 20:26 abracada1ra vim /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini 20:26 abracada1ra i show the change 20:25 jcamins abracada1ra: it is unlikely the problem is the changes that you were instructed to make to your XML configuration. 20:25 abracada1ra very thanks for your help jcamins and drojf 20:24 abracada1ra correct 20:24 abracada1ra the problem in package 20:22 abracada1ra i have change on my xml conf 20:22 drojf or do it yourself if you can/ are allowed to 20:21 drojf abracada1ra: dont cry, call the it guy and get debian squeeze 20:21 jcamins abracada1ra: unfortunately, there appears to be something seriously wrong with LibXML on your system. In your situation, I would just reinstall the OS (but use Debian Squeeze because it's a lot easier). 20:20 abracada1ra and now? What do I do? cry? 20:17 drojf and 20:17 drojf und updates are easy too 20:17 jcamins abracada1ra: yes, definitely. 20:17 drojf yes. you can setup koha with packages very easily there 20:17 abracada1ra jcamins: drojf 20:17 abracada1ra debian squeeze is recommended for koha? 20:16 abracada1ra and now i test koha here... and vufind 20:15 abracada1ra for my workspace programing php 20:15 abracada1ra te support man install this 20:15 abracada1ra my notebook the company for testing, who else was installed, the support 20:13 drojf abracada1ra: do you use the server for anything else yet? 20:13 jcamins abracada1ra: why did you install Ubuntu 10.04? 20:13 abracada1ra php mysql... 20:13 abracada1ra i install eclipse, apache, and koha 20:13 abracada1ra jcamins: recently 20:12 drojf cait: its even the same mostly in unimarc and marc21. only some differences. of course for fields i wanted to use for html5 attributes :/ 20:12 jcamins cait: make drojf show you his demo if he hasn't yet. 20:11 jcamins abracada1ra: I fear so. When did you set up the OS on it? 20:11 drojf cait: i have most of it 20:11 abracada1ra my system have problem? 20:11 jcamins drojf: XML::LibXSLT version. 20:11 abracada1ra omg 20:11 jcamins abracada1ra: no, the problem is that it isn't visible to Koha at all. 20:11 drojf that sounds very strange at least 20:11 drojf abracada1ra: koha does not need a special apt version 20:10 cait drojf: not many ideas about that :) 20:10 abracada1ra jcamins: version apt install 1.7 and koha need 1.59 ... version problem? 20:10 cait oh 20:10 drojf cait: i try to guess what subfields somebody would fill in 856 with what values that might be relevant to video(audio streaming 20:10 drojf but you are right 20:09 jcamins lol 20:09 drojf i thought the title saying debian squeeze would give that away :) 20:09 jcamins abracada1ra: listen to drojf. He is wise. :) 20:09 jcamins drojf: oh, yeah, _that_ is a good idea. 20:09 drojf then use packages 20:09 jcamins And upgrading from 10.04 to 11.10 or greater is just going to break everything anyway. 20:09 drojf install squeeze 20:09 drojf NO 20:09 jcamins drojf: on Ubuntu 10.04, installing 3.8 with packages is going to be close to as painful as installing it without. 20:08 drojf abracada1ra: you should consider http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 20:08 jcamins abracada1ra: I think there is probably something wrong with your system. 20:08 jcamins Oh boy. 20:07 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 20:07 cait drojf: first question? 20:06 schuster When using batch delete of items does it move them to the deleteditems table still? 20:06 abracada1ra jcamins: please look this: http://paste.koha-community.org/9 20:05 drojf :) 20:05 jcamins Makes sense to me. 20:05 * jcamins returns to magnuse's refrain: MARC must die. 20:05 drojf maybe i should check for both, use the one that is there and if both fields are filled with different values, explode 20:05 jcamins Hehe. 20:04 drojf loc even explains "An account number required for login may also be indicated. For many general-use File Transfer Protocol servers, access is gained by entering the string anonymous." for $l. that is exactly what $h is too 20:03 jcamins drojf: to be honest, I am not sure. 20:02 jcamins cpan Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 20:02 jcamins You'll need to cpan it. 20:02 jcamins Oh, and you're on 10.04. 20:02 jcamins You can cpan it. 20:02 jcamins That one isn't available in .deb, other than from me. 20:02 jcamins Oh, drat. 20:01 jcamins And then you'll need to install Template::Plugin::HtmlToText. I forget the package. Let me check. 20:01 drojf $l Logon/login General-use logon/login strings which do not require special security. Not repeatable. 20:01 drojf $h Processor of request: The username, or processor of the request; generally the data which precedes the at sign ("@") in the host address. Not repeatable. 20:01 drojf can someone explain what the difference between 856 (marc21/unimarc) subfields $h and $l might be? 20:00 abracada1ra required 20:00 jcamins sudo apt-get install --reinstall libxml-perl libxml-libxslt-perl 20:00 abracada1ra how i install 2 modules? 20:00 jcamins You don't have XML::LibXSLT. 19:59 jcamins There's the problem. 19:59 abracada1ra jcamins: http://paste.koha-community.org/8 19:50 abracada1ra ok 19:48 jcamins Run koha_perl_deps.pl -m and copy the output into paste.koha-community.org 19:47 abracada1ra Looks good. 19:47 abracada1ra You have: XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser=HASH(0x8bd18c0) 19:47 abracada1ra Koha wants something like: XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser=HASH(0x81fe220) 19:47 abracada1ra root@ult-dev1:/home/ult/Download/koha-3.8.2# misc/sax_parser_print.pl 19:47 abracada1ra look 19:47 abracada1ra yes and test its ok 19:47 jcamins Did you install the prerequisites? 19:46 jcamins I have never seen anything like that, but it clearly has something to do with LibXML. 19:46 abracada1ra http://paste.ubuntu.com/1063112/ 19:46 abracada1ra i need help for this error 19:46 abracada1ra hey 19:45 jcamins Ah. 19:44 drojf it was more a scary "interesting" 19:43 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:43 wizzyrea interesting? 19:43 wizzyrea interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 19:43 wizzyrea oh he doesnt' say it anymore! 19:43 wizzyrea interesting? 19:43 jcamins "Interesting"? 19:43 drojf oh that sounds interesting 19:42 drojf that got me off ubuntu. NO upgrade ever worked. it just took much longer than a new installation to finally fail and make me do a new installation 19:42 jcamins drojf: no, I installed 12.04 from scratch, and learned that MySQL included anonymous logins by default. 19:42 drojf jcamins: did you try to upgrade it? 19:42 jcamins That said, I am boycotting Ubuntu since my disastrous experiments with it a few weeks ago. 19:41 jcamins 12.04 is the new LTS release. 19:41 drojf released even 19:41 drojf that is pretty old. like, releaqsed in april 2010 ;) 19:40 jcamins Ubuntu... 10.04? 19:39 abracada1ra on ubuntu 10 19:39 abracada1ra jcamins: ok, i downloaded and install now 19:39 drojf heh yes. but since i actually still work on the raspi it is painfully slow to test things without plack 19:38 jcamins Also, I don't do development under Plack 'cause then I have to remember to restart it. 19:36 drojf that sounds wise, i'll adopt that 19:35 jcamins I usually run updatedatabase from the command line, too, so I don't have to worry about getting the maintenance message on the OPAC. 19:35 drojf excellent. thanks 19:34 jcamins Right. 19:34 drojf so in general i just leave my db update in the file as the last one to do and ignore the error after a git pull? 19:34 drojf :) 19:34 drojf yeah all there 19:33 jcamins Oh, yes. 19:33 drojf ah. im using the plack opac. i should probably reload that 19:32 jcamins 'Cause you have to hit "Back" when you're looking at the maintenance page. ;) 19:32 jcamins drojf: you're not refreshing the OPAC, are you? 19:31 drojf tried that, did not work 19:31 jcamins Ignore the duplicate error message. 19:31 jcamins :) 19:31 jcamins drojf: run updatedatabase, then go back to the OPAC. 19:30 drojf git 101/db problem. i have my changes, all works fine. i want to continue to work on it but do git pull first. looks all fine except for a conflict in updatedatabase.pl. i change the file so it looks right but forget that i of course already did my "xxx" db update last time. i get an error message after the db update for duplicate db entry. now opac is in maintenance mode. what do i do? 19:27 jcamins abracada1ra: I'm not sure if you saw the messages earlier, but if not, you should look at koha-community.org which is the Koha website, and where you can download the current version of Koha from. 19:23 jcamins Well, I think the question was more "is this something you are demanding?" ;) 19:23 wizzyrea and afaik there isn't any particular movement in that direction. Certainly, you can link to the 3M from your ebook record 19:22 wizzyrea hmm we haven't seen that 19:22 jcamins He said that they're doing this integration where patrons can actually check out books directly from the OPAC. 19:22 wizzyrea define "integration" 19:22 jcamins Greg was wondering about your experiences, and whether Koha integration was planned. 19:21 wizzyrea kansas uses it :P 19:21 wizzyrea oh yea 3m cloud library 19:21 jcamins They have a new ebook platform. 19:21 wizzyrea what about 3M? 19:20 wizzyrea hi- i'm back now 19:17 drojf abracadabra: the koha website is at http://www.koha-community.org/ you can get the latest version of koha there 19:16 jcamins Sorry, that first sentence was a little incomprehensible. 19:16 jcamins That is, you downloaded a package that contains a version of the fork. 19:15 jcamins You downloaded a fork made by LibLime. 19:14 jcamins Koha is an open source ILS. 19:14 abracadabra koha is open ILS? 19:12 jcamins The software you are using is only supported by LibLime, and as far as I know only used by their customers. 19:12 jcamins You can download Koha from koha-community.org. 19:12 jcamins abracadabra: sorry, this is the channel for Koha. 19:11 abracadabra help me please: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1063060/ 18:57 rhcl OK, my quantum is expiring and the CPU scheduler is ready to end my cycle time...it was fun...ltr 18:57 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 18:57 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please kick Jill Griffiths off the firstname.lastname@example.org mailing list? Her autoresponder is going to be spamming the list once a day for who knows how long. 18:55 rhcl the rep mentioned that Kansas was doing something w/ 3M, so was going to check w/ wizzyrea 18:54 rhcl Yes, it completly bypasses the Adobe fifty-click download/install crap. 18:54 jcamins I would agree. 18:53 rhcl yea, but I think it's a "chicken and egg" problem. 3M would be interested if the libraries expressed and interest, and <->. 18:53 jcamins If it works fine with SIP, that's still a step ahead of Overdrive half the time... 18:53 rhcl otherwise it apparently works fine w/ SIP, but takes the patron out of the OPAC to the 3M site 18:53 jcamins It seems to me that Koha libraries would be more likely to be interested if the service were well-integrated (same as Polaris and Sirsi users, of course). 18:52 rhcl the "deep" integration apparently refers to having ebooks listed in the ILS, and checked out via the library's OPAC exactly like a paper book, without leaving the OPAC 18:51 rhcl 3M seems to have a much much simpler, easier user interface (vs OverDrive), but it's expensive 18:50 rhcl we had a webcon with the rep yesterday 18:50 rhcl I think they would entertain some interest on the subject 18:50 jcamins I heard about it vaguely, but didn't pay much attention. 18:50 * jcamins wonders when they're going to be contributing to Koha. 18:50 rhcl has anybody reflected on this integration w/ Koha? 18:50 rhcl 3M is offering an eBook service; they have "deeply" integrated it with Polaris, and working to do the same with other ILSs, including Sirsi.... 18:49 * jcamins concludes that wizzyrea probably is, since she was thinking 48 minutes ago. 18:47 rhcl ping wizzyrea 18:47 huginn rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 47 minutes and 55 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I think 18:47 rhcl @seen wizzyrea 18:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Signed Off , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 18:16 * mveron ponders what's going wrong with Bug 7621, works here but not for delaye 18:14 cait bbiab 18:14 cait but first - the laundry ... 18:13 * cait was pondering bread with nutella :P 18:13 drojf :) 18:13 mveron Had not time for cooking... 18:13 jcamins :D 18:13 jcamins It is for me. 18:13 cait why not? :) 18:13 jcamins Mmm. 18:13 drojf that's a dinner? 18:13 cait thx :) 18:13 * mveron ...sends cait some Streuselkuchen 18:12 cait oh yum 18:12 mveron Streuselkuchen :-) 18:12 cait what's for dinner tonight? 18:12 cait hi mveron :) 18:12 cait hm. 18:10 jcamins Hm. 18:10 jcamins That's not so good. 18:10 cait master 18:10 jcamins Oh, master is too. 18:09 jcamins 3.2.x and 3.4.x are allowed to be unstable. 18:09 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 70 (2 days 0 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/70/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 768 (3 hr 4 min ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/768/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 97 (2 hr 19 min ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/97/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.8.x: last build: 74 (1 day 15 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/74/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 53 (3 days 4 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/53/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x: last build: 80 (4 mo 7 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/ 18:09 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x: last build: 36 (6 mo 26 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/ 18:09 jenkins_koha 3_8_packages: last build: 12 (1 day 14 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_8_packages/12/ 18:09 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 16 (3 days 4 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/16/ 18:09 jenkins_koha status of all projects: 18:09 jcamins jenkins_koha: status 18:09 jcamins !status 18:09 jcamins ! 18:09 cait jenkins unstable ? 18:09 cait :) 18:08 jcamins o/ 18:07 cait back 17:59 wizzyrea I think 17:59 wizzyrea it does a transfer to x on hold for y slip 17:32 nengard k 17:31 kf not sure 17:30 nengard question - in 3.6 anyone remember if when there was a hold that needed transferring did it print a transfer slip or a hold/transfer slip? 17:13 jcamins :) 17:13 jcamins Laconically. 17:12 jcamins Updated. 17:11 melia Julian's note says "this is not working but this is not related to the patch." that part confuses me. I'm not sure if the next step is for someone to follow the test plan that Ian/Chris put on the ticket and sign off the patch, or if Julian is saying that the patch doesn't fix the problem 17:10 jcamins Period. 17:10 jcamins Wait... the variable has to be set. 17:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 17:10 melia can I ask a silly question about bug 8110? 17:09 jcamins Also, XSLT is declarative not functional. The variable has to be set before it's used. 17:09 kf put it in the comments :) you still have 2 mins! 17:08 jcamins At least, that's my recommendation. 17:08 jcamins use items:$OPACResultsByBranchXSLT. 17:08 kf and they are insane in parts 17:08 kf yep they are 17:08 jcamins They sure are! 17:08 kf jcamins: you stil have 3 minutes? :) 17:08 eythian someone needs to run over those xsl files with xmllint and save the reformatted version, they're hard to read. 17:07 kf nah. I should finish this mail 17:07 kf ok, so being declarative is weird then :) 17:07 eythian it's not so much weird as just declarative. 17:07 eythian looking deeper I see xsl:if at a higher level than I initially did. 17:07 * jcamins phrases it the same way kf does, when he reads the question. :) 17:07 kf I think xslt is weird about variables and things, some things just don't work 17:07 kf jcamins: I agree 17:06 kf we are only phrasing it differently 17:06 kf I think we all have the same idea 17:06 eythian but it's been a while since I've meddled with XSLT 17:06 jcamins I'm pretty sure <xsl:choose> won't work either, as kf said. 17:06 eythian kf: the error is "element if element if only allowed within a template, variable or param", which is what I was basing that on 17:06 kf :P 17:06 * jcamins hadn't read the context. 17:06 jcamins Right. 17:06 kf I think you can't use it there 17:05 kf xsl:key is a top-level element 17:05 jcamins There's the problem. 17:05 jcamins Oh. 17:05 * jcamins will offer any feedback he comes up with before 13:10, at which point he is going back to his to-do list. ;) 17:04 kf jcamins: you can join in and make a suggestion ;) 17:04 jcamins <xsl:if> can be used anywhere so far as I know. 17:03 kf exactly 17:03 kf yep 17:03 eythian kf: I think it's that xsl:if can only be used inside certain things. 17:03 kf choose / when probably won't work either 17:03 kf eythian: I think it's something about the structure 16:58 eythian 2p I guess at the moment 16:57 eythian nengard_lunch: added 2c, hopefully it's useful. 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , search results showing wrong branch? 16:49 nengard_lunch anybody who's good at XSLT want to help out on bug 7441 16:48 schuster uh oh... that doesn't sound good. 16:47 schuster I have 2 patches on my old boxes that I don't know why never got contributed to community... 16:47 * jcamins sees how they did it. 16:47 jcamins My goodness. 16:46 jcamins schuster: heh. I'll see how they did it. 16:46 schuster jcamins - I will refrain from discussion on the ISBN index matching issue as I had it working in a previous version. 16:46 jcamins Right now it doesn't work with authorities. 16:46 jcamins Admin->Matching rules. 16:46 jcamins SJeffery: there is, sort of. 16:45 SJeffery Shouldn't there be a matching function/template/whatever the heck you call it that can be used across the application that would allow flexibility 16:45 jcamins On the subject of which, we could fix that easily with DOM indexing. 16:45 schuster Who's standard in Koha currently isn't is only LCCN or OCLC? ISBN matching is exact only and doesn't take into account 13/10 modification. 16:45 jcamins It's possible to create new matching rules, but it's a nuisance. 16:45 eythian well, still have ssh access to git.debian.org, that's a good start. 16:44 jcamins Never mind the fact that ISBN is practically useless for matching MARC records. 16:44 jcamins That's it. 16:44 jcamins SJeffery: well, the problem is our standard set of matching rules consists of ISBN and ISSN. 16:43 SJeffery Perhaps...perhaps there should be a standard set of matching rules plus the option to select other and custom-define the field? 16:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client 16:43 jcamins My work on bug 2060 is so advanced it hasn't even happened yet. 16:43 jcamins *Woohoo! 16:43 jcamins Oohoo! 16:40 jcamins There will be a quiz on this later for those of you in the US. :P 16:39 jcamins 'Cause that's not what the 001 is for. 16:39 jcamins Rather, the 001 no longer has the OCLC number. 16:39 jcamins But the 001 is now wrong. 16:39 jcamins It *does* have an OCLC number, and you do want it to overlay the less good record. 16:39 kf interesting 16:39 kf hm 16:38 jcamins So you might want to use Z39.50 to download the record directly from BYU. 16:38 jcamins With OCLC, the master record may not be as good as the record at, say, BYU. 16:38 jcamins So the big PCC libraries would only download records from other big PCC libraries. 16:38 jcamins I think. 16:38 jcamins Research Library I Network. 16:37 kf or was? 16:37 kf what is RLIN? 16:37 jcamins kf: RLIN used to allow libraries to choose whichever record they wanted. 16:37 kf or only in parts 16:37 kf ok, I can't follow :) 16:36 * jcamins glares at the RLIN/Worldcat merge. 16:35 jcamins Even records that are in OCLC. 16:35 jcamins Also, a lot of libraries use Z39.50 for downloading records. 16:35 jcamins (and yes, I have seen instances where it didn't) 16:35 jcamins Bye. 16:34 gaetan_B bye ! 16:34 jcamins The 001 *may* include the OCLC# for records downloaded directly from OCLC. 16:34 jcamins Union catalog ID # is *exactly* what 001 is for. 16:34 kf I think in fact we also have oclc numbers in 035 16:34 jcamins That's different. 16:34 kf you know how it works here :) I was not referring to oclc number but to the unon catalog ID 16:33 * jcamins hopes you will go forth and tell them that immediately. 16:33 kf um. 16:33 * jcamins hopes that you have told them that it's a mistake. 16:32 kf ... knows some of those people 16:32 jcamins I thought about that, but that won't work because some people use 001 for OCLC number instead of 035. 16:32 kf maybe? 16:32 kf and don't update if they already have one 16:32 kf you could check for the field number 16:32 kf jcamins: :) 16:31 jcamins And I can add a random suffix if those names are taken, too. 16:31 jcamins I'm thinking if I call the matching rules OCLC-SAMPLE and LCCN-SAMPLE, that'll make it clear for those (few) libraries who have OCLC and LCCN matching rules already. 16:30 jcamins I think it's kind of a natural thing to get frustrated with any time you're thinking about importing. 16:30 jcamins lol 16:30 SJeffery Did we have some sort of vulcan mind meld in the past or something? 16:29 jcamins I was trying to figure out how to go about installing them on updates about ten seconds before you said that. 16:29 jcamins SJeffery: actually, fixing that is kind of a side effect of this authority matching development I'm doing. 16:29 SJeffery No, never did. I ended up being way too busy to organize anything. 16:28 SJeffery ok, who wrote the bib record import script and neglected to add oclc number and lc numbers as matching rules, grrr. 16:28 jcamins SJeffery: did you find a Koha gathering? 16:28 * kf creates a new snapshot "koha installed" 16:28 SJeffery Is everyone at Bywater recovered from ALA? 16:27 wahanui hmmm... morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 16:27 melia morning! 16:27 SJeffery Morning Melia :) 16:27 jcamins The second was correct. :) 16:27 jcamins I have instructions for using the command line tools, because they only support a single workflow. 16:27 * kf should go home 16:27 kf hm person who volunteered to test? 16:26 kf ... says the person that volunteered testing :) 16:26 jcamins Thanks. 16:26 jcamins kf: yeah, that's what I thought. 16:26 kf jcamins: the tester will come up with a test plan for this 16:26 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 16:26 jcamins Ta, wahanui 16:26 kf lol 16:26 wahanui jcamins: no worries 16:26 jcamins Thanks, wahanui. 16:26 wahanui Comments are turned on 16:26 jcamins Comments? 16:25 jcamins But I don't know exactly what the tester's workflow is, and that's why they're testing it and not me. 16:25 jcamins If it doesn't do that in the way the tester expected, it doesn't work. 16:25 jcamins "Make sure it will import an authority record" pretty much describes what needs to be tested. 16:24 jcamins I feel like this is something that really just requires the tester to know what the expect. 16:24 jcamins Okay, what's step 2 for testing importing authority records? 16:23 jcamins They can be. 16:23 wahanui cronjobs are essential 16:23 kf cronjobs 16:23 kf zebra - done 16:20 jcamins I think I would need more examples of using that to understand it. 16:20 melia hi eythian 16:20 eythian hello melia 16:20 * eythian only heard of this today 16:18 jcamins Ooh. 16:18 eythian http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libtest-cukes-perl 16:17 jcamins And http-recorder. 16:17 jcamins No, I wrote it using Test::WWW::Mechanize. 16:17 jcamins Ooh. 16:17 eythian stuff like that 16:17 eythian And the "Password" field should have errors 16:17 eythian Then the "Username" field should have errors 16:17 eythian When I press "Login »" 16:17 eythian Given I am on the login page 16:17 eythian Scenario: Login without any details 16:17 eythian @notauthed 16:17 jcamins Folks, I've said it before and I will say it again: we need more regression tests! 16:16 * eythian finds references 16:14 jcamins eythian: huh? 16:14 eythian jcamins: cucumber or something? 16:14 jcamins I don't suppose my test plan can be "import an authority"? 16:13 jcamins Now I just need to add a test plan for the user interface. 16:13 jcamins :D 16:13 jcamins And, good news! Bib import still works fine. 16:12 kf jcamins++ 16:12 kf :) 16:11 * jcamins runs the regression test against the import batch functionality. 16:09 kf ok, now zebra :) 16:08 jcamins eythian++ 16:08 kf eythian++ :) 16:07 eythian Want to get some of the koha deps into debian before freeze. 16:07 * eythian attempts to relearn how debian's perl team does everything after they've gone and changed it all since I last did stuff. 16:07 kf 'import' instead of 'Import' 16:07 jcamins What typo on what button? 16:07 kf some day I will correct the typo on the button 16:06 jcamins :) 16:05 * kf got to the web installer in her new koha sandbox :) 16:05 kf yay 16:02 jcamins There's mysqldiff, but I find it somewhat perplexing. 16:00 jcamins eythian: right, see, that's the point where I realize I don't quite get it. 16:00 eythian then write something that parses the SQL and normalises things :) 15:59 jcamins eythian: the problem is that doesn't work, because the names of foreign keys and indexes (and their order) may not be identical. 15:54 eythian just copy-paste what I wrote into a terminal, it'll be fine :D 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7304 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Working on funds ergonomic display and funds management by multi librarians 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Multi-line notes are displayed on one line in Staff Serials page 15:54 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7304 followup DBRev number 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , DataTables in Koha 15:54 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 7304: More permissions for budgets 15:54 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7905: Follow up - Multi-line subscription notes 15:54 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7905: display serial notes on several lines 15:54 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module  15:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #768: UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/768/ 15:54 eythian install fresh 3.8, dump the schema, install 3.0, run koha-update-schema, dump the schema, diff 15:53 * jcamins nominates eythian to do it. :) 15:53 jcamins Then I sit down to try and realize that I can't figure it out at all. 15:53 jcamins eythian: I keep on thinking that. 15:52 eythian jcamins: that would be relatively easy to do 15:50 kf yep it is 15:49 vfernandes sure is... 15:49 jcamins That one is a staggeringly confusing syspref. 15:49 jcamins :) 15:48 vfernandes thanks jcamins and kf for the help... sometimes it's better stop a little and read the description well :D 15:48 jcamins I need a test that creates a 3.0.0 database, runs updatedatabase on it, then compares the result to a database created by kohastructure.sql. 15:48 jcamins You know what I need? 15:46 kf like nozebra 15:46 vfernandes you bet... :D 15:45 jcamins Right. Or on. I always get the two confused because "dontmerge" is such a bad name for a syspref. ;) 15:45 vfernandes the script is only needed when it is off = don't 15:45 kf clrh++ 15:45 vfernandes lol 15:45 vfernandes only sh*t.... i'm so dumb sometimes 15:44 vfernandes i'm confusing.... 15:44 vfernandes so if don't merge is set to "don't" updating a authority updates the record? 15:43 jcamins That's the entire point of dontmerge. 15:43 jcamins vfernandes: no, if you set it the other way, you don't need a script. 15:42 jcamins clrh++ 15:42 vfernandes but dontmerge needs the script :/ 15:42 jcamins I replace them. 15:42 jcamins However, I don't edit authorities. 15:41 jcamins It should be if you have dontmerge set properly. 15:41 vfernandes when you update a authority the linked records are updated? 15:41 vfernandes tell me something 15:39 jcamins It must've been deleted. 15:39 jcamins I'd file a bug. 15:39 jcamins The script does not exist. 15:39 vfernandes dontmerge - do/don't automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authorities.pl cronjob. 15:38 vfernandes merge_authorities.pl should update records that uses one authority which was updated 15:38 * jcamins did a find for "merge*" 15:37 jcamins You're right. 15:37 jcamins Hm. 15:37 jcamins I should warn you I've never used it, though. 15:37 vfernandes merge_authorities.pl sould be different then merge_authority.pl 15:37 jcamins misc/migration_tools/merge_authority.pl 15:36 vfernandes yes ite sould be on bin/cronjobs but nothing 15:36 kf oh cool :) it worked! 15:36 kf have you checked the misc directory and its subdirectories? 15:36 jcamins Poof! 15:36 * kf tries summoning jcamins 15:35 vfernandes to use dontmerge - authorities system preference 15:33 vfernandes hi there.... guys where is the merge_authorities.pl script? 15:19 mveron quit 15:19 * mveron ...has to go, good evening to everybody! 15:08 reiveune bye 15:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #768 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:02 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7304 followup DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e73058e469fc8a0dcc3babc81218703882d382fa> / Bug 7304: More permissions for budgets <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=203757e353cbbb2add934523fdbd7113c6180207> / Bug 7905: Follow up - Multi-line subscription notes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=51cdcd91f744ff95b442bd 14:42 mib_ebk9t3 i have added the create_koc_db.pl script. where does koha save the borrowers.db 14:37 jcamins [off] Libwebcats has told me which "open source" ILS they are using. 14:35 jcamins So you can ignore everything after the "Ouch" and quote. :) 14:33 jcamins You probably won't because it's a local NYC list. 14:33 jcamins However, it was in the middle of a dozen autocat messages, so I got confused, and told you you'd receive the message. 14:32 jcamins The message I just quoted is from a mailing list you are not on. 14:32 nengard i'm so confused right now 14:32 jcamins But it isn't on autocat. 14:32 jcamins Autocat. 14:32 nengard what's acat? 14:31 jcamins So, you won't get the mail. 14:31 nengard hehe 14:31 nengard autocat 14:31 jcamins Wait, no, this isn't ACAT. 14:31 jcamins nengard: you'll get the mail in about five minutes. You're on ACAT too. :) 14:31 nengard what?? 14:29 jcamins [off] "We are looking to change our OPAC from open source to EOS" 14:29 jcamins Ouch! 14:23 datadoctor Bon anniversaire! 14:09 jcamins Answer: they use some sort of horrifying custom (I think) ILS written in Visual Studio which hardly functions at all. 14:09 jcamins Koha will not set that up for you automatically for security reasons. 14:09 jcamins At that point, you will need to download the borrowers.db file to the computer where you are doing offline circulation. 14:08 jcamins It looks like you are supposed to run it from cron. 14:08 jcamins Did you read the perldoc I sent you? 14:08 mib_ebk9t3 i have seen this script: create_koc_db.pl but where am i supposed to run it? my koha is running on ubuntu 14:06 jcamins Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single ILS, proprietary or otherwise, that provides decent browsing capabilities. 14:06 * jcamins wonders what ILS is used by these people who are acting shocked at the idea of an OPAC without working subject browsing. 14:00 jcamins It does not impact the export tool. 13:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7345 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Should be possible to export MARC records without private fields 13:58 schuster jcamins - bug 7345 stripping local use fields out of marc export. Does that only work in the opac or does that work with the export utility as well in tools? 13:46 jcamins Never mind. 13:44 jcamins Has anyone noticed problems with acqui/basketgroup.pl recently? 13:37 jcamins Ooh, house cleaning gnomes would be excellent. 13:36 schuster jcamins - I need some gnomes that ... Clean house, mow yard, do laundry, and if they could code that would be a bonus! HA HA HA.... 13:36 schuster The benefit though was all the money we saved annually we could still carve a portion of that into development and get what we wanted and still save $60,000 a year. 13:35 jcamins For the record, I would like some magical little gnomes that work for free. :) 13:35 schuster jcamins - it's a mind shift... it took me about 2 months to figure out how it all really worked. We went with a support company initially and what "support" means is very different in open source vs proprietary 13:34 schuster jcamins - Yep that's why I'm here... 13:34 jcamins But too many people think open source = magical little gnomes will make the program do whatever they want for free. 13:34 jcamins schuster: I'm all for that. This is how it _should_ work. 13:33 schuster jcamins - Or for a proprietary vendor to come up with the idea... Oh really come on... 13:33 schuster I think the thought there is Librarians are Innovative and as we work with our Developers in the Open source arena we get things WE want and make it happen rather than waiting for someone else to do it. 13:25 jcamins schuster: I guess the discussants elided the issue that us open source developers don't actually work for free, and therefore libraries will need to make their interest financially relevant? 13:23 schuster How true that is... jcamins - VIAF YES! 13:23 schuster During a discussion about linked data it was discussed that if the Library community is interested in something generally the open source community adopts it the Library groups find it interesting and then demand the proprietary systems include it. 13:23 jcamins schuster: the VIAF thing? Yeah, that's pretty amazing. 13:22 schuster Linked data authority lookup noted in the newsletter whoot! 13:21 jcamins I would imagine that is probably accurate, though I work mostly with reference-only libraries. 13:20 mib_ebk9t3 let me check. 13:17 jcamins I just Googled "borrowers.db koha" and got the following result: http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/cronjobs/create_koc_db.html 13:17 mib_ebk9t3 yes 13:15 kf mib_ebk9t3: and also give your version and which offline circ you are using (I think the applicaton from kyle hall?) 13:15 kf mib_ebk9t3: maybe ask on the mailing list 13:14 mib_ebk9t3 anone aware of how to get borrowers.db for offline circulation? 13:02 jcamins ... someone else might know something about offline circulation. 13:02 wahanui somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 13:02 kf packages 13:00 jcamins I've never heard of borrowers.csv, and I still have never user offline circulation. 12:59 ttuc i have been able to get the csv version of the table but this .db is what am not sure. 12:58 jcamins Maybe misc/cronjobs/create_koc.pl? 12:57 jcamins I don't know. I don't use it, sorry. 12:57 ttuc i have been able to get the csv version of the table but this .db is what am not sure. 12:52 jcamins You have to generate it. I think the instructions may be in the manual, though I'm not certain. 12:50 ttuc hi, could anyone tell me how to get borrowers.db for my offline circulation module 12:42 tcohen nengard :-D 12:39 nengard tcohen - had that this past saturday 12:39 nengard yup 12:38 drojf nengard: will you be doing the limesurvey magic? 12:37 drojf last IRC meeting ended at 18:45:44 UTC. so i guess we close bidding for kohacon 2013 today at the same time? 12:32 tcohen big party coming? 12:31 nengard :) thanks 12:31 tcohen happy birthday nengard! 12:31 magnuse hiya tcohen 12:31 drojf hi tcohen 12:31 tcohen hi #koha! 12:10 kf hi jcamins :) 12:05 jcamins Good morning. 12:03 drojf hi jcamins 12:02 jcamins o/ 11:56 nengard yeah - was gonna do that 11:55 kf maybe try on a test db? 11:55 kf nengard: not sure really 11:53 nengard hehe 11:53 drojf :D 11:53 magnuse drojf: that seems to be an over-reaction to kf being at work... 11:53 nengard does anyone know why you can't make an attribute repeatable after it's saved? Would me changing it at the DB level break anything? 11:42 nengard okay 11:42 nengard oh! figured it out - it's in aqbasket 11:42 nengard in the aqorders table ? where is the vendor or booksellerid? 11:34 drojf woot! just threw mustard and mango-habanero-sauce all over myself 11:29 kf now back at work :) 11:29 kf but laptop at home 11:29 kf heh it's working now 11:29 drojf hey kf. how is the multi-screen life? :) 11:28 nengard thanks 11:27 drojf and happy birthday nengard 11:27 kf hi drojf 11:27 drojf1 hello #koha 11:25 kf cool :) 11:24 paul_p kf yep, fridolyn was at the 1st hackfest in Marseille 11:05 nengard this past saturday we had a bunch of friends and family over 11:04 kf or there will be a surprise? 11:04 kf maybe friday? 11:04 nengard :( 11:04 nengard and he left this morning without wishing me a happy bday ? so i'm not sure he realizes the date 11:04 kf oh :( 11:04 nengard work 11:04 nengard kf we both have to wrok 11:04 nengard hehe 11:04 nengard :) 11:04 magnuse yay! 11:04 nengard Tusen takk 11:03 magnuse gratulerer med dagen nengard! 10:59 kf so shouldn't you be doing something fun with bengard? 10:58 kf Herzlichen Glückwunsch :) 10:50 nengard it's today 10:50 nengard :) thank you 10:50 kf or was it yesterday? 10:50 kf Happy Birthday nengard :) 10:37 kf paul_p: I think fridolyn was at the first hackfest in marseille? :) 10:25 eythian well, for more than a short time when doing a complete rebuild 10:25 eythian (I've never seen it IO bound really) 10:25 eythian if zebra IO is a problem for you, it might be time to upgrade that 386 ;) 10:14 Waylon hmm... how do i decrease the amount of io zebra needs to do? or increase the performance of zebra? 10:11 * magnuse understands paul_p completely 10:05 * paul_p is back from meeting with accountant. Phone call to banker,... not what I prefer in my job ;-) 10:04 paul_p good morning kf & magnuse 09:52 magnuse ooh, new issue of code4lib journal! http://journal.code4lib.org/issues/issue17 09:47 magnuse bonjour paul_p 09:47 kf hi paul_p :) 09:32 kf ;) 09:32 kf ... wait until you get here! 09:28 kf lol 09:28 eythian kf: but you're from Germany, how could we possibly trust your sense of humour? ;) 09:28 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. 09:28 kf germs? 09:28 kf see, he still does your jokes: 09:28 kf I only do it if it makes no sense and is not very funny 09:27 kf :P 09:26 eythian kf: it's funnier if you stop deprogramming wahanui 09:26 kf hm 09:25 kf I think there is <reply> 09:25 kf forget I think there is 09:25 wahanui okay, kf. 09:25 kf I think there is also a patch from jared soemwhere removing some of the nozebra code 09:25 rangi there's no way it will ever work with that 09:25 eythian yes 09:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 09:25 rangi but yeah it should die, specially with the new bug 8233 09:24 eythian yeah 09:24 rangi needs to warn 09:24 rangi yep 09:24 eythian the patch could delete the setting to, so that it fell back to default. 09:24 rangi but killing the syspref so that you cant use it would be good 09:24 rangi thats like a flush and rebuild with zebra 09:23 rangi yes, thats not needed 09:23 eythian sandeepbhavsar: but we don't know how you're doing that, so you'll have to explain more. 09:23 kf nozebra.pl 09:23 rangi nozebra indexes when you make a change 09:23 kf i meant the script sandeepbhavsar was using 09:23 eythian sandeepbhavsar: when you convert your data, you must do it differently 09:22 rangi kf: it doesnt use the cronjob 09:22 rangi when the upgrade, it can die for 3.10 i reckon 09:22 kf rangi: removing the cronjob might be also a good idea 09:22 sandeepbhavsar kindly guide how can i have one field 09:22 rangi the syspref is only there, so people can switch to zebra 09:22 wahanui i heard nozebra was deprecated and should not be used 09:22 kf nozebra? 09:22 kf nozebra 09:22 kf nozebra is deprecated and should not be used 09:22 rangi and doesnt understand items 09:22 wahanui kf: I forgot nozebra 09:22 kf wahanui: forget nozebra 09:22 wahanui nozebra is much slower 09:22 eythian wahanui: nozebra 09:21 eythian the sooner we remove that the better 09:21 eythian but also, using nozebra is a bad idea 09:21 eythian yep 09:21 kf I think if you combine the fields into one your results should look a lot better 09:21 kf ok :) it's only something that can go wrong - so I was pointing it out 09:21 sandeepbhavsar yes B is for itemtype book 09:20 kf also make sure that ABB and B are valid codes for brnaches and itemtypes in your configuration 09:19 kf =952 \\$a...$b...$... 09:19 eythian that will explain why you have 7 of them 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$yB 09:19 kf this should be one field 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$v0.00 09:19 kf es 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$pB1 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$oB1 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$g0.00 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$bACC 09:19 sandeepbhavsar =952 \\$aACC 09:19 sandeepbhavsar I have 09:17 eythian that might well be part of it too. 09:16 kf and 952 should at least have a b and y I think 09:16 sandeepbhavsar yes i have that field 09:16 kf it should be 1 952 field for each item 09:16 kf how did you import the items? 09:16 eythian No. 09:15 sandeepbhavsar are u sure that this has happened only because nozebra is used 09:15 eythian Because it's currently really the only way to do searching. 09:15 eythian I would recommend going through the documentation about setting up zebra 09:14 sandeepbhavsar same error is face earlier also 09:14 sandeepbhavsar http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-December/031485.html 09:14 sandeepbhavsar ok then what should i do, because i really dont have any knowledge of zebra 09:13 eythian Basically, it doesn't really work. 09:13 eythian Using nozebra is strongly not recommended. 09:13 sandeepbhavsar is there any mistake in indexing 09:12 sandeepbhavsar i have done the indexing with nozebra.pl 09:12 sandeepbhavsar for every record koha shows 7 holdings 09:11 eythian are there items? 09:11 sandeepbhavsar but all records shows that Availability - No items Available 09:11 sandeepbhavsar i just imported the data and even getting the search through OPAC 09:10 sandeepbhavsar kindly guide me for this error - Availability - No items Available 09:10 sandeepbhavsar Dear all 08:59 wahanui what's up, eythian 08:59 eythian hello 08:59 magnuse kia ora eythian 08:27 wahanui hola, eythian 08:27 eythian howdy 08:27 kf good morning eythian :) 08:25 mveron :-) 08:25 kf and lots of sign offs! 08:25 kf general awesomeness? :) 08:21 mveron kf:Thanks. What for ? :-) 08:21 * kf is still catching up on mail from being away for 3 days... 08:21 kf mveron++ :) 08:18 * magnuse cheers for Stuff too, for bringing news about libraries changing their ils ;-) 08:08 * kf cheers too 08:05 * magnuse cheers for Waimate! 07:28 rangi back 07:27 kf hi francharb 07:27 francharb good morning 07:25 kf hi #koha 07:14 gaetan_B hello :) 07:03 matts hi #koha ! 06:47 ropuch Morning #koha 06:42 wahanui what's up, reiveune 06:42 reiveune hello 06:29 dcook bye cait. Thanks for your help! 06:29 cait bye dcook 06:29 cait ok, time to get to work 06:29 cait the database update will kick in automatically whenever your version in the database is different from the version in kohaversion.pl 06:28 cait it really works well 06:28 cait with git you can checkout the new version and run Makefile so it updated indexing configuration 06:27 cait with standard you normally download the tarball, unpack it, run Makefile with the right parameters (it's been a while since I did that) 06:23 cait standard is not so practical for that 06:22 cait I think with your customizations a dev installation with git would make sense 06:22 cait you can do a dev installation without git - but not sure if that makes much sense 06:22 cait but it's also a different file structure 06:22 cait it can 06:21 dcook Is the dev install the one where it runs Koha from your git clone? 06:21 dcook I think that we did the standard installation 06:19 cait there are standard installations, dev installations with git, packages... 06:19 cait it depends a bit on the kind of installation you did in the first place 06:19 cait no we don't 06:19 dcook How do you update with the new releases. Surely, you don't do a complete re-install 06:19 dcook Quick question 06:18 dcook We also do DSpace, and we try to limit our customizations to that as much as possible. I'm thinking that might be a good idea for Koha as well 06:18 dcook It really is. I was very excited when 3.8 came out 06:11 cait Koha is moving so fast, it's fun to work with. 06:11 cait there are some changes to indexing still, because that was not a solution for everyone. But I hope to get rid of that too with 3.10 and dom indexing :) 06:10 cait we are running Koha without customizations now :) 06:09 cait confusing my numbers 06:09 dcook Ahhh 3.8.2 for stable... 06:09 cait oh, you are right 06:09 cait we learned the lesson with another project 06:09 dcook Didn't 3.8.2 just come out? 06:09 cait we never did many 06:09 cait and 3.8.4 will be good too 06:09 cait consider updating to 3.8.3 - lots of bug fixes in there 06:08 dcook How common are customizations with your instance of Koha? 06:08 dcook I'm glad to hear that people take breaks ;) 06:07 cait but weekends are a bit quiet 06:07 cait yeah, #koha is pretty much 24 hours :) 06:06 dcook Always a handy part of open source :) 06:05 cait I am in Germany - so my work day is just about to begin 06:05 cait ah 06:04 dcook I'll be telecommuting from Vancouver, Canada later in the year though for a few months 06:04 dcook I'm in Sydney, Australia, so I only have about an hour left in the work day 06:04 cait where are you from? 06:03 cait but more people around later today 06:03 cait you can always come back here - still a bit silent now 06:03 cait if he still remembers :) 06:03 cait ah that's good then :) 06:03 dcook Fortunately, the writer is still here at the company. He's just busy with other projects 06:02 dcook That's what I'm hoping, but since they're not all my changes, it's hard to say sometimes :/ 06:02 cait might be that not all of your changes are still needed 06:02 dcook Oh...the jQuery library is looking interesting 06:02 cait koha 3.8 is really different to 3.2.x - lots of new features and improvements 06:01 dcook I think so! 06:01 cait sounds like you will need them :) 06:01 * dcook cries a little inside 06:00 dcook ty ^_^ 06:00 dcook Exactly 06:00 * cait sends coookies 06:00 cait so it's not even changes you made 06:00 cait aah 06:00 wahanui i think jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 06:00 cait jquery library? 06:00 dcook I came here 6 months ago, but the company has been using Koha for the past 5 years 06:00 cait for changes to the templates jquery can do lots of things - so you don't need to change the files 05:59 dcook Good question 05:59 cait are those bigger features or more changes to display? 05:59 cait yeah, 300 is a lot 05:59 dcook I'm really reluctant to cut across that many, when I much rather stay current with the community 05:59 cait well... heh 05:59 dcook I think we have ~300 changes, so I'm tearing at my hair a bit here :p 05:58 dcook Mmm, good idea. The fix is already in, so it would probably be a good idea to put that in our local register 05:57 cait with the bug number 05:57 cait it might be easier to put a quick fix in and note somewhere it will work with 3.10 05:57 cait for the barcode you have different options 05:57 cait :) 05:57 dcook That is the goal :) 05:56 cait so your next update will be way more painless 05:56 cait while you still know what you are doing and how it works - and it will help getting them in the next version 05:56 cait and if you are now making them work with a current version, might be worth to submit patches for master in the same step 05:56 cait at least the bigger ones 05:55 cait I think it's a good idea yes :) 05:55 dcook That's what I've been doing lately with new bugs I come across that I don't have the time to fix. Are you saying that I should be registering each of my enhancements on bugzilla? 05:54 cait consider filing bug reports on bugzilla :) - that way other people can comment and we can avoid doubled up work 05:54 dcook Definitely more than a little overwhelming :S 05:54 dcook Unfortunately, in the past, we didn't have the time so there is this enormous backlog 05:53 dcook It is a philosophy I endorse whole-heartedly :) 05:53 cait giving back is the best way doing it :) 05:53 dcook All our new enhancements I commit to the git 05:53 cait and you can try to port the solution, but be careful with the database update 05:53 dcook Actually, I'm hoping to feed a great many back into the community so as to avoid this exercise in the future 05:53 cait if you can't wait you should be using git for your changes 05:52 dcook Agreed, but we do quite a few of them anyway :P 05:52 cait customizations are always trouble 05:52 cait I think I would update to the latest stable version and then wait 05:51 cait so it will be in 3.10 probably, maybe in one of the other versions if rmaint decides to port it back, but as it's a new feature, that's not so likely 05:50 cait dcook: the feature is very new 05:50 dcook I installed 3.8.0 back in May, and I've been working on cutting over all our local enhancements from 3.2.x (we're quite behind). One of our enhancements was to show the barcode in opac-detail.pl, but when I saw that was unnecessary, I wanted to go with the community version. 05:48 cait dcook: what are you trying to do? 05:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6774 enhancement, P3, ---, amit.gupta, Pushed to Master , Display barcode on OPAC detail page 05:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8321 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , fix OPACShowBarcode description 05:47 dcook Quick question for everyone. How do people keep on top of new patches? I saw Nicole's "Bug 8321 - fix OPACShowBarcode description" and was utterly confused until I saw Amit's "Bug 6774 - Display barcode on OPAC detail page". Yet, when I went to apply that patch, it seemed that I was still behind, so I kept getting conflicts. 05:37 cait thx rangi 05:37 rangi wb cait 05:33 rangi http://i.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/7175364/Library-updates-to-global-system 05:21 mveron hi cait :-) 05:21 cait hi mveron :) 05:19 mveron Good morning #koha 04:46 Oak :) 04:46 cait hi Oak :) 04:46 Oak Guten Morgen cait 04:46 Oak hello Waylon :) 04:45 Waylon hello oak 04:27 Oak kia ora #koha 04:21 Waylon hmmmmm... could plack work with koha 3.0? 04:00 Waylon hmm... how do i decrease the amount of io zebra needs to do? 03:49 Waylon ah.. server2 just had lots of zebrasrv processes in iotop hitting 99% cpu for a bit... soon after they diseappeaered... siege said timeout. 03:44 Waylon interesting... server1 has lots of used swap.. server 2 has basically none used. 03:31 Waylon no apparent errors in the koha-opac-error log 03:30 Waylon k. night jcamins_away 03:30 * jcamins_away calls it a night, his sudden burst of desire to have a spotless kitchen having passed. 03:27 Waylon lifted siege.. .seeing if anytthing is in logs. 03:26 Waylon now getting some time outs. 03:26 Waylon everythjing seems.... .. well. did seem fine until a few seconds ago. 03:25 Waylon sieging now. 03:24 Waylon how does one get the total (all processes) amount of ram, apache is using ? 03:23 jcamins_away No bet. 03:23 rangi top will tell you, but thats my random guess 03:22 * Waylon nods. "need to give apache more ram eh? 03:22 rangi dollars to donuts its apache using all the ram and swapping 03:22 rangi when you try to load test 03:21 rangi and top 03:21 jcamins_away You could try benchmarking. 03:21 rangi have you watched iotop 03:21 Waylon and zebra is on a seperate physical hdd. 03:21 Waylon well.. ive submitted my response to the performance issue.... oh another thing i forgot to mention, the sysadmin thinks it could be disk performance because of vms.... however, i use physical partitions/LVM volumes in XCP. not images or whatever SR system XCP natively has. 03:20 rangi :) 03:20 jcamins_away And I wasn't even there. 03:20 jcamins_away That was *so cool*. 03:20 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#This_is_an_interesting_metadata_source._Can_I_import_it_into_Koha.3F_.2830_min.29 03:20 rangi and people do it :) 03:15 jcamins_away 'Cause you're downloading a heck of a lot of data. 03:15 Waylon right. 03:15 jcamins_away Scraping a database is going to take a while no matter what. 03:14 Waylon oo.. 03:14 cjh even if they couldnt view the database in one go, they could script it to view it in however many chunks they want.. 03:14 rangi so im failing to see your point the wget follows the next link too 03:14 Waylon So would take some time. 03:14 * Waylon nods. 03:14 rangi it only returns a page at a time 03:14 Waylon well.. for a page of results, yeah but for the entire 2GB of results? 03:12 jcamins_away What use would a search engine be if it couldn't return results? 03:12 jcamins_away Of course not. 03:12 rangi no 03:12 Waylon right. a search that returns the entire db would time out though? 03:12 rangi or wget -r from the search 03:11 jcamins_away A person just has to do a search that returns the entire database and use a screen scraper. 03:11 jcamins_away Also, this would in no way prevent anyone from downloading all the records. 03:08 jcamins_away If you really wanted, that'd be less of a bad idea (but forget the encryption), but still a very bad idea. 03:06 Waylon what about a new column, random uuid+encryption per biblio, and thats the param that goes in and out, no encryption/decryption done, and intranet can still do everything by biblionumbers? 03:04 jcamins_away Okay, just checking. 03:04 rangi yep, im just reinforcing how mad it is :) 03:04 rangi if you amke it one time use, then no persistent urls 03:04 jcamins_away Didn't I just say that? 03:03 rangi someone else can 03:03 jcamins_away You would have to rewrite every single page. 03:03 rangi in a reasonable time 03:03 rangi and any algorithm you can decrypt 03:03 jcamins_away If you are using a hash, it's easy to figure out. 03:03 rangi you're punishing everyone, to stop a few, better look at the logs, find out who is doing it, discipline them 03:03 jcamins_away If you are using actual encryption, it's expensive. 03:02 jcamins_away (for example) 03:02 jcamins_away If something goes wrong, you are not going to be able to debug. 03:02 jcamins_away C) not an insignificant amount of time 03:02 Waylon Okay, so... why would it be bad? 03:01 jcamins_away B) see A 03:01 jcamins_away A) who cares? 03:01 Waylon why, how long does it take to encrypt one number? 02:59 jcamins_away Kind of like Napoleon's plan to take a hike in Russia. 02:59 jcamins_away Monumentally bad. 02:59 Waylon so the idea of encrypting the biblionumbers before they go out, and then on receving a download/details request, decrypting the param, is a bad idea? 02:59 * jcamins_away would never support inclusion of a proprietary reader into Koha, for the record. 02:58 jcamins_away And get used to the idea that if any students cared, they'd get around it. 02:58 jcamins_away Waylon: then they need to find an alternative to Koha that provides a proprietary reader. 02:58 Waylon yes rangi... can't trust students.. might mass download and then just offer the pdfs for download on the net. 02:57 rangi hehe 02:57 jcamins_away Oh yeah, Linux. 02:57 jcamins_away It had this really catchy name... 02:56 * jcamins_away thinks he may have heard of some software written by some students once. 02:55 rangi so you dont want the students to spider it? 02:55 jcamins_away Right, there's no way around this. 02:55 Waylon its not public. its only accesable to universities and their students. 02:55 jcamins_away You can't have your cake and eat it too. 02:55 jcamins_away Waylon: either don't let people who aren't allowed access onto the system, or give up. 02:55 rangi make it not public 02:55 jcamins_away Using asymetrical keys. 02:54 Waylon okay, how would they stop mass sequential downloads? 02:54 jcamins_away rangi: but, you could encrypt the bib numbers! 02:54 rangi if they were running 3.4 or later, opacpublic would do that for them 02:54 rangi sounds like a recipe for madness, and making it even slower, and wouldnt work 02:54 jcamins_away Waylon: I am totally perplexed by this. That's absolutely nuts. 02:54 Waylon dbase side, would be the same. 02:54 Waylon on webside that is. 02:53 myra ok 02:53 jcamins_away Waylon: are you kidding? 02:53 rangi lol thats the silliest thing ive heard today 02:53 Waylon hmm.... in fact rangi, to avoid spydering, the company i work for is considering encrypting their biblionumbers. 02:53 rangi whatever you do, do not ever delete it from the frameworks 02:53 myra so, what is the format of the biblionumber? 02:53 myra ok. 02:52 jcamins_away [off] Well, that's something, and maybe you'll be able to find another one. 02:52 rangi not for human usage 02:52 rangi its a unique identifier 02:52 rangi yes 02:52 rangi you might have 3 items with the same callnumber 02:52 myra is it just like a reference number for each record entered in the database? 02:52 Waylon [off] Admittedly, it pays okay. 02:52 rangi the biblionumber is Koha's internal id number, its used by Koha, and shouldnt be used by humans for anything 02:52 myra ok. what is the purpose of the biblionumber? 02:51 Waylon [off] God i wish i never took this job. So keen on getting paid for koha work, that i took the first job that would have me... with no idea of the mess they were in. 02:51 rangi no 02:51 myra is the biblionumber the same as call number? 02:51 myra well, thanks rangi 02:51 myra hahaha! 02:51 huginn jcamins_away: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 02:51 jcamins_away @quote get 145 02:51 rangi you just did 02:50 myra can i inquire here? 02:50 rangi hi myra 02:50 myra hi! 02:50 jcamins_away [off] 02:50 Waylon how does one turn off logging for one line of chat? 02:49 jcamins_away You certainly do. 02:49 Waylon Think i need it. 02:49 Waylon yeh. 02:49 jcamins_away Good luck. 02:49 Waylon okay, well.. thanks jcamins_away 02:49 Waylon yeah 02:46 jcamins_away It has one even more important advantage, though: people can talk to you about it and say something other than "ouch, that sucks... good luck." 02:46 jcamins_away I'd imagine. 02:45 Waylon 3.6 has speed advantage over 3.0? 02:45 jcamins_away Well, you have your work cut out if you're going to be doing it all yourself. 02:44 Waylon hah. im the coder for it. sadly, the only coder. 02:44 jcamins_away You could conceivably hire a vendor to work with you on it, but I can tell you it wouldn't be cheap, and I'm not sure which vendor would be willing. 02:43 Waylon means a total redo, and reimplement. 02:43 Waylon yup 02:43 jcamins_away Unfortunately, there's no way around it. 02:43 Waylon Before i came along.. the developer cherrypicked patches. 02:43 jcamins_away That's... unfortunate. 02:43 Waylon but ive tried to figure out the git version... and found patches that came from higher versions.. but patches in between were not brought in. 02:42 Waylon our $VERSION = "3.00.00.094"; 02:41 jcamins_away 4. Upgrade to something modern, bringing along those changes you can't live without. 02:41 jcamins_away 3. Split your changes into self-contained commits. 02:41 jcamins_away 2. Find the point in git where you branched off. 02:40 jcamins_away 1. Figure out what version of Koha your fork was based on. 02:40 jcamins_away Okay, here's what you need to do: 02:40 jcamins_away There is, in fact, a version 2.0.0pre1, though. 02:40 jcamins_away Or RC? 02:40 jcamins_away There's no such thing... I checked 'cause I was curious. Maybe a beta? 02:40 Waylon marcxml and zebra.. yeha. 02:39 Waylon Think i have 3.0.0pre1 02:39 * Waylon just woke up, okay.. 02:39 Waylon oo wait. 02:39 rangi wait, you are running zebra with 2.0??? 02:38 jcamins_away (even if they aren't more-or-less not here) 02:38 jcamins_away But *no one* is going to be able to help you with what you have now. 02:38 jcamins_away Probably. 02:38 jcamins_away No point in doing anything else with your servers until you do that. 02:38 jcamins_away You're going to have to do it eventually... pull down a git clone, locate where you forked, and start picking up the pieces. 02:38 Waylon zebra alone needs more than 2GB registry. 02:38 Waylon yeah i think we have more than 30k. 02:37 rangi say 30k records upwards 02:37 rangi but 3.6 will perform a lot faster the 2.0 searching too, on any database of a decent size 02:37 rangi with 3.8 you can run the opac under plack, which is a massive speed increase 02:36 Waylon huge speed increase in search with the 3.x branches? 02:35 jcamins_away You won't be able to get any support on Koha 2.x, and about the only thing anyone is likely to remember how to do with 3.0 is upgrade. 02:35 Waylon yeah.. ours has been heavily modded without git history 02:35 jcamins_away Waylon: you should be using Koha 3.6 or 3.8. 02:35 Waylon we're also running koha 2.0.0pre1 02:34 jcamins_away Not at the moment, sorry. 02:33 Waylon are you able to take a look, jcamins_away? 02:33 jcamins_away There's a page on tuning Koha somewhere on the wiki. 02:33 jcamins_away Waylon: if you give the servers twice as much resources, they'll work twice as fast, but, as I said, I think the problem is probably in your Apache settings. 02:32 Waylon have got two physical servers... two vm's each server. on each, there is the actual live server, and a dev or upgrade test server. If we go the bare bone approach, we'll need another server to host the vms for the dev stuff. 02:31 * jcamins_away leaves again. 02:31 jcamins_away Probably Apache tuning. 02:31 jcamins_away Probably not the fact that they are VMs. 02:31 jcamins_away Let me try that again. 02:30 jcamins_away Waylon: probably. Probably something to do with Apache settings. 02:29 Waylon okay, on a siege test of my two server-in-vms setup, 10 concurrent users, 5 second delay, only 70% of the searches get a response. is this because it is on vms? 02:28 Waylon hiya all, and happy bday nengard.. who isn't even here.