Time  Nick           Message
22:07 rangi          night cait
22:06 cait           night :)
21:58 rangi          good night
21:58 drojf          time for bed, try to sleep before 3am once in a while. night #koha
21:58 magnuse        have fun #koha!
21:57 drojf          :D
21:57 cjh_           heh
21:57 rangi          blaming zebra is like blaming the boxing glove when someone is punching you in the face
21:56 drojf          hehe
21:56 rangi          C4::Search--
21:56 rangi          all of the problems we have with zebra, are problems we made
21:56 rangi          99.9% zebra is fine
21:55 drojf          or zebra is not working correctly :P
21:48 rangi          id expect either of those numbers for a natlib the size of it
21:48 rangi          according to libwebcats they say 7mill, but i heard on the twittervine it was 9
21:48 magnuse        ah, true
21:48 rangi          the opac might only have the ones they lend
21:47 magnuse        rangi: are you sure it's 9million records and not items? i can't seem to find records with biblionumbers that high...
21:46 * jcamins_away goes to eat it.
21:46 jcamins_away   Looks delicious.
21:46 jcamins_away   The curry is done.
21:38 magnuse        hiya cait and rangi
21:38 rangi          heya magnuse !
21:38 * cait         waves at magnuse :)
21:37 * magnuse      cheers for venezuela!
21:24 drojf          i thought you might need it :P
21:24 jcamins_away   Where were you when I was opening the jar?
21:24 jcamins_away   drojf: heh. Good advice.
21:21 drojf          it's supposed to go in the pot, not the air ;)
21:21 drojf          heh
21:21 jcamins_away   I always forget that it's a little too finely ground.
21:21 jcamins_away   Sadly I inhaled some cayenne pepper in the process.
21:21 jcamins_away   Also the curry and cayenne pepper.
21:20 jcamins_away   I already put in the chilies. :)
21:20 drojf          all purpose spice or what that is called at the asian market :D
21:20 jcamins_away   Ooh, I'll toss in some of the fresh herbs Shari's picking up right this moment.
21:19 drojf          chili ;)
21:19 * rangi        randomly picks one
21:19 rangi          :)
21:19 rangi          oregano
21:19 jcamins_away   I hate that, and I can never figure out what the spice is.
21:19 jcamins_away   You know how sometimes you taste something you cooked and think "gee, this is perfect except it is missing some sort of green spice?
21:16 rangi          :)
21:16 jcamins_away   Probably not.
21:16 jcamins_away   lol
21:15 rangi          bacon
21:15 jcamins_away   It's good, but it's missing something.
20:56 rangi          oh yeah
20:54 drojf          should have stayed a little longer
20:54 drojf          TEDGlobal 2012: Radical Openness, happening now in Edinburgh.
20:41 cait           hm
20:38 wizzyrea       :D
20:38 rangi          :)
20:38 wizzyrea       rangi: :P
20:37 wizzyrea       try this one: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/aarti-sequeira/saag-paneer-spinach-with-indian-cheese-recipe/index.html
20:37 rangi          that url needs more su83y2-4823907529075207525-8252=5293590275028973590279057209572908t925923750275-9279-20rifjiofjwe008u20u234
20:37 wizzyrea       oh boy.
20:37 wizzyrea       cait: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CGUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foodnetwork.com%2Frecipes%2Faarti-sequeira%2Fsaag-paneer-spinach-with-indian-cheese-recipe%2Findex.html&ei=KR3qT6CoHJGg8QSZl50R&usg=AFQjCNGA6oYt8r1uccA5FrPdtZWlz1dTQQ
20:33 cait           I don't know what that is :)
20:31 wizzyrea       curse you.
20:30 wizzyrea       ohh now I want saag
20:29 kathryn        seeya jcamins_away
20:29 * jcamins_away sets off to execute it.
20:29 jcamins_away   This is a plan!
20:29 jcamins_away   Ooh, maybe I'll do a side of saag sans tofu/paneer.
20:29 jcamins_away   Over rice.
20:29 jcamins_away   So I'm leaning towards mango curry.
20:27 jcamins_away   I was going to make saag tofu, but there is no tofu to be had at the local grocery store (a fact which I forget about once a week), and I don't have time to make paneer.
20:26 jcamins_away   rangi: not much. I used to eat a lot more meat.
20:26 cait           I agree with kathryn then :)
20:26 jcamins_away   cait: together, yeah.
20:25 kathryn        aha rangi :)
20:24 rangi          kathryn: that was where i was going, but chicken not cheese :)
20:22 wizzyrea       ^^
20:22 * kathryn      advises that this is also a good time to make cheese
20:22 kathryn        jcamins definitely indian food! spinach and something curry with fresh mango chutney?
20:21 wizzyrea       hmm spinach and mango. Sounds like a recipe for a smoothie.
20:21 rangi          do you eat meat jcamins_away ?
20:21 cait           mango sorbet and spinach pizza?
20:21 cait           jcamins_away: together?
20:21 kathryn        g'morning cait!
20:20 rangi          http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/i_never_would_have_passed_kindergarten.png
20:20 cait           hi kathryn :)
20:20 cait           wb
20:19 rangi          jcamins_away: not the opac
20:19 rangi          back again
20:16 * jcamins_away tries to figure out something to do with frozen spinach and mango.
20:12 jcamins_away   rangi: hasn't the National Library of Venezuela been on Koha since 2.something?
20:11 drojf          thanks
20:11 drojf          hm i looked at that page. didnt see the link. maybe i should sleep more :/
20:09 wizzyrea       http://koha-community.org/about/worldwide/
20:08 drojf          i'd love to index that on the pi
20:07 rangi          I need to try with Dom
20:06 drojf          heh
20:06 rangi          With grs lots 20 gigish
20:06 drojf          approximately
20:05 drojf          how much space does that take?
20:05 rangi          You just need diskspace
20:05 rangi          I've indexed a lot more than that
20:04 schuster       Are they using Zebra to index those 7 mil records?  Must be a monster server!
20:02 rangi          There's a list of sites on the main page we should update
20:02 rangi          If not we can add it
20:01 rangi          Should be on the wiki
20:00 drojf          is there a way to see what subdomains of k-c.org actually exist? how would i know about es.k-c.org? i don't see a link anywhere
19:52 wizzyrea       ^^
19:51 rangi          Hehe that site is cool remarkably up to date given they handtranslate it all
19:50 drojf          they link to es.koha-community.org. i wonder if that is good for the ranking *hides*
19:48 rangi          USA not so much
19:48 rangi          I'm sure they would come to Argentina
19:48 drojf          they should host a kohacon ;)
19:47 drojf          nice
19:47 rangi          Now they have the opac too
19:47 rangi          Yep they've been in the process for 2 years but only staff side
19:45 drojf          but that was already on the catalyst flyer at kohacon, with 7mio?
19:44 drojf          have not been reading mails
19:44 drojf          ah i see it now
19:44 drojf          what did i miss? new koha bib?
19:44 rangi          Hehe
19:43 drojf          take wellington and brookview, put in shaker, shake well and serve in fancy glass
19:43 rangi          9 million records
19:43 * rangi        is still smiling about natlib Venezuela
19:43 rangi          Nice winters day
19:42 rangi          Blue skies
19:42 drojf          you win
19:42 drojf          hey rangi
19:41 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 27, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
19:41 rangi          @wunder nzwn
19:41 rangi          Back
19:21 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 20.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising).
19:21 cait           @wunder Konstanz
19:21 cait           same here :)
19:19 drojf          the more i read, the more i like my <20° and grey sky. thanks :)
19:18 wizzyrea       ouch.
19:17 maximep        felt like 45
19:17 maximep        34C and 80% humidity last week here was just killing me
19:17 wizzyrea       but you can have the windows down and have a nice drive that way
19:17 schuster       HOT and DRY - meaning AC in the car does almost nothing!
19:17 wizzyrea       yea, feels a lot hotter here. ;)
19:16 wizzyrea       i mean, the temp.
19:16 maximep        but only 20% humidity
19:16 wizzyrea       excessive
19:16 wizzyrea       ok that's just eccessive
19:16 maximep        wow
19:16 huginn         schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 39.9°C (2:08 PM CDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).  Air pollution watch level Orange in effect for today... 
19:16 schuster       @wunder 75074
19:16 wizzyrea       :P
19:16 huginn         maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 18.0°C (3:00 PM EDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling).
19:16 maximep        @wunder cyqb
19:16 wizzyrea       you should come visit KS, it's gonna be like that for a week or so
19:15 drojf          over
19:15 drojf          but i prefer that ober 30°+
19:15 drojf          mostly grey
19:15 drojf          not really
19:15 wizzyrea       bit chilly even.
19:15 wizzyrea       hm, nice in germany
19:14 huginn         drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 16.5°C (9:12 PM CEST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
19:14 drojf          @wunder berlin, germany
19:13 drojf          uh
19:13 wizzyrea       crikey.
19:13 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 32.9°C (2:12 PM CDT on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
19:13 wizzyrea       @wunder lawrence, ks
19:13 drojf          hm
19:13 huginn         drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
19:13 drojf          @wunder leeds, england
19:12 huginn         drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
19:12 drojf          @wunder leeds
19:01 nengard        anyone want to help me with some mysql regex? I'm looking for everything before the first space in the call number ....
18:45 * rangi        wanders off again, back later from the bus
18:45 rangi          morning
18:45 cait           morning rangi :)
18:44 * wizzyrea     giggles
18:43 huginn         rangi: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011)
18:43 rangi          @quote get 115
18:19 schuster       Want to check placement of robots.txt - ../kohaclone/koha-tmpl/ the best place or where for the bot to find it.  I want to make sure I have it in the right place!
16:58 eythian        also, ha ha telecom.
16:58 eythian        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7173270/Firms-fail-may-hit-Telecoms-XT-network <-- and this is why free software should be used.
16:24 cait           finally found the grater :)
16:22 huginn         cait: The operation succeeded.
16:22 cait           @later tell jcamins_away http://www.amazon.de/Fackelmann-45443-Sp%C3%A4tzlereibe-mit-Teigschaber/dp/B003OBY45E/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1340727526&sr=1-1
16:21 cait           hmmm. wahanui, help?
16:21 cait           I think there?
16:21 * jcamins_away heads into the city.
16:21 jcamins_away   Hehe.
16:20 jcamins_away   I think there?
16:20 * jcamins_away uses the second.
16:20 cait           forget I think there
16:20 cait           forget I tink there
16:20 cait           ah
16:20 cait           you?
16:20 wahanui        That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :)
16:20 cait           I?
16:20 cait           lol
16:20 wahanui        okay, cait.
16:20 cait           I think there is also something like the second with holes like the first...
16:20 cait           aaah
16:20 jcamins_away   This is Relevant To My Interest.
16:20 * cait         goes back to dusting
16:19 cait           tirtm?
16:19 cait           and there are some variants...
16:19 cait           http://www.amazon.de/St%C3%A4dter-Maiback-Sp%C3%A4tzleschaber-Sp%C3%A4tzlesschaber-Holzbrett/dp/B001PPPK4A/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1340727487&sr=1-1
16:19 cait           or someting like this
16:18 cait           http://www.amazon.de/Sp%C3%A4tzlepresse-Sp%C3%A4tzle-Chef-handgeschabt-unregelm%C3%A4%C3%9Fige-Lochform/dp/B000ZJWCKC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1340727458&sr=8-2 with something like this
16:18 cait           you can do them 2 ways
16:18 cait           hehe yes they are
16:16 jcamins        TIRTMI!
16:16 jcamins        There are spaetzle *graters*?
16:13 drojf          ok hungry, will manage to leave the office :) see you later #koha
16:11 drojf          seems they are spaetzle in english
16:11 drojf          no… a spätzle grater, or what that may be in english. because i would like to make spelt spätzle :)
16:10 jcamins        (I can no longer eat store-bought salad dressing... it's just so disappointing, every time)
16:10 jcamins        I guess I'll make blueberry vinaigrette.
16:10 jcamins        We're going to have such a yummy salad...
16:10 jcamins        drojf: lettuce?
16:10 drojf          actually i would like something else
16:09 drojf          heh
16:09 wahanui        coconut flour is REALLY expensive
16:09 drojf          jcamins: or coconut flour
16:09 jcamins        drojf: but you could buy fennel on the way home...
16:09 * mveron       wishes a nice evening (or other daytime) to everybody. Good bye  :-)
16:08 drojf          meh too lazy to drive home
16:06 jcamins        :)
16:06 jcamins        Koha, yeah.
16:06 jcamins        Anyway.
16:06 jcamins        Which we don't own.
16:06 jcamins        Possibly in a blender.
16:06 jcamins        Right, we're just going to grind our own coconut flour.
16:05 jcamins        drojf: consider yourself lucky.
16:05 drojf          like in 5€+ for a pound
16:05 * jcamins      dies.
16:05 wizzyrea       yes, that was what I understood about it
16:05 jcamins        Ah.
16:05 jcamins        drojf: what? You didn't realize we were all such geeks about baking?
16:04 drojf          coconut flour is REALLY expensive
16:04 drojf          omg
16:04 jcamins        I'm trying to cut down on wheat by judiciously mixing other varieties of flour.
16:04 drojf          i have some too, have not used it yet
16:03 jcamins        I have some rice flour, though.
16:03 jcamins        wizzyrea: coconut flour? Never heard of it.
16:03 drojf          sounds even
16:03 drojf          wizzyrea: ounds interesting. not sure where to get that here
16:02 jcamins        Which is good, because I looooove baking, and $0.45/lb is a lot more affordable than $1.5-2/lb
16:02 wizzyrea       they tell me coconut flour works well.
16:01 drojf          have not tried much baking, as in sweet things
16:01 jcamins        I know that I definitely don't have any gluten sensitivity (or at least didn't used to), because I went on a gluten free diet for about four months.
16:01 drojf          i think its doable as long as i can cook for myself
16:01 jcamins        Hehe.
16:01 wizzyrea       (both)
16:01 wizzyrea       ^^^ is a common refrain
16:01 * jcamins      couldn't do it.
16:00 drojf          jcamins: discovered by accident a little time before edinburgh. after baking and eating spelt bread for a week and feeling much better suddenly
16:00 wizzyrea       (I don't want to say "gluten free" because, well, life is too short to not enjoy bread now and then)
16:00 * wizzyrea     is strongly considering going gluten-restricted
15:59 jcamins        (probably more, but I only went to two with any regularity)
15:59 jcamins        drojf: oh, you should have told me. There are two restaurants that have special Celiac-friendly menus.
15:59 jcamins        Often $2/lb.
15:59 drojf          i did not even try in edinburgh
15:59 jcamins        $1+!
15:59 drojf          the bigger problem is that you cannot eat anything outside. or somehow processed
15:58 jcamins        I think it's $1/lb!
15:58 drojf          not so much here
15:58 jcamins        :P
15:58 jcamins        Or, "expensive."
15:58 jcamins        Spelt.
15:57 drojf          i bake with spelt now. or what that is called in english
15:57 jcamins        Though I need to clean my oven before I can do it again.
15:57 jcamins        drojf: I love baking.
15:57 drojf          i try to not eat wheat, seems its not good for me. you can have it all ;)
15:57 * jcamins      does a happy dance, and wishes it were here now so he could have a huge salad.
15:57 wizzyrea       cait's fennel salad is uh may zing.
15:57 jcamins        And black turtle beans, pinto beans, wheat berries, hard red spring wheat, farro, whole wheat pastry flour, and cornmeal!
15:56 cait           drojf: apparently I have a fennel salad recipe that meets international taste
15:56 jcamins        And summer savory and lemon thyme!
15:56 jcamins        And blueberries!
15:56 jcamins        And zucchini.
15:56 jcamins        Also lots of lettuce.
15:56 cait           heh :)
15:55 drojf          she made fennel good?
15:55 jcamins        It is *all* her fault.
15:55 jcamins        drojf: blame cait.
15:55 jcamins        Community-Supported Agriculture.
15:55 drojf          i've seen you talk about fennel before. you seem like a fennatic
15:55 eythian        You get fennel from the Celiac Sprue Association?
15:54 jcamins        Maybe we'll even get fennel!
15:54 jcamins        :D
15:54 jcamins        :D
15:54 jcamins        Yay! Awesome selection from the CSA this week!
15:53 drojf          ah its in kate. thats enough for me i guess
15:52 jcamins        Yeah, Serna wins my vote. It shows you the structure.
15:52 eythian        (mostly not visual)
15:52 eythian        https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBookEditors <-- also a good list
15:51 jcamins        (a sample that was included with Serna)
15:51 jcamins        drojf: I opened up the same sample in both.
15:51 eythian        It's time I updated the manual pages really.
15:51 drojf          jcamins: how did you try that already?
15:51 eythian        (also, see the programs list at the bottom)
15:51 drojf          my download did not even finish, they also have a slow website
15:51 eythian        https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DocBook <-- this I'm going to have to read in more depth
15:51 wizzyrea       I've used serna, it's alright
15:50 jcamins        Pfeh. Serna wins, I think.
15:50 drojf          and that's a good thing
15:50 * wizzyrea     pats eythian
15:50 eythian        Writing a thesis in LaTeX broke me of that ability.
15:50 eythian        this said, I can't actually work with visual editors.
15:49 nengard        okey dokey
15:48 eythian        nengard: I'd moved on from a commentary on what you use onto seeing what was out there :)
15:48 jcamins        drojf: yeah, oXygen is very popular. If I do a lot of XML editing, I'll consider it.
15:48 drojf          ;)
15:48 drojf          jcamins: i had oxygen for a university class. i think its ~$350
15:48 nengard        okay
15:48 jcamins        At least out of those two, since I don't care enough to look for other options myself. :)
15:47 jcamins        nengard: I will let you know which the best one is today.
15:47 nengard        eythian, you can use whatever you want - that's what I'm saying - as long as the code comes across right I don't care what tool others use and they shouldn't care what I use
15:47 nengard        I don't know what the best one is today - but when we switched to docbook I tried a bunch - this was the best for me personally
15:47 eythian        Because I'd rather not use non-free stuff, and haven't learnt the docbook schema yet.
15:46 jcamins        I've never been on the market for an XML editor before, but I'd like the best one.
15:46 * wizzyrea     gets the popcorn
15:46 drojf          nengard: i did not want to take away your freedom to choose a non-free product
15:46 eythian        because we were seeing if there was a properly free visual editor out there.
15:46 * jcamins      doesn't care.
15:45 nengard        how about we let people use what they want to use - as long as you submit valid code I don't care what tool you use - we should all have the "freedom" to make our own decisions
15:45 jcamins        That doesn't seem to be linked from any of the links that say "Downloads."
15:45 eythian        they do
15:45 jcamins        Well, they have a lousy website.
15:45 drojf          should actually look in the window before pasting
15:45 drojf          narf
15:45 drojf          http://downloads.syntext.com/serna-free/
15:44 eythian        http://downloads.syntext.com/serna-free/
15:44 eythian        jcamins: nope
15:44 jcamins        drojf: it's open source, but it asks you to contact them to download it?
15:43 drojf          yes
15:43 drojf          or http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ rather. i dont see the license but there was gpl in a wikipedia list
15:43 eythian        http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ <-- this one maybe
15:42 drojf          whats with this? http://www.syntext.com/products/serna/index.html
15:41 jcamins        Hehe.
15:41 drojf          a legal lemon is called a lime
15:41 jcamins        Got it.
15:41 eythian        if you're not matching a condition above, it turns into a legal lemon.
15:41 eythian        > Licensee may use the Software for the purpose of evaluation of XMLmind XML Editor, for a limited time period that shall not exceed 30 days.
15:40 jcamins        You're right. It doesn't say anything about "in thirty days I'm turning into a lemon bwahaha" when I start it.
15:40 * eythian      doesn't approve of restricting usage of something either
15:40 eythian        (or non profit or educational)
15:40 jcamins        eythian: oh, that's okay then.
15:40 eythian        jcamins: no, it's 30 days if it's not an open source project
15:40 cait           sorry
15:39 cait           lol
15:39 * eythian      doesn't use OSX because he's a practical computer user who doesn't want other people to have control of what I can do.
15:39 nengard        Trust me others have come before you all when we first looked for an option for the manual - and this is what we ended up picking
15:38 nengard        and I need something that works on Mac OSX
15:38 nengard        that's a code editor
15:38 nengard        eythian, that doesn't look like a visual editor
15:38 jcamins        However, I didn't read it closely.
15:37 jcamins        I just read the license, and it looked like it was saying you could use it for 30 days on open source projects.
15:37 nengard        http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/download.shtml
15:37 eythian        xmlcopyeditor?
15:37 jcamins        Okay, that's fine then.
15:37 nengard        let me find it
15:37 nengard        forever free
15:37 nengard        I have the free personal version -
15:37 jcamins        Or is there a missing "or" there?
15:36 nengard        i'm a practical computer user - if it works I use it - if it's open source that's better - but I'm not gonna not use something just cause it's not open source
15:36 jcamins        nengard: it says you can only use it 30 days?
15:36 nengard        it's freeware - not shareware and it works and I don't have an open source/free option to use
15:34 jcamins        Eww.
15:34 jcamins        Hm, but it's shareware?
15:34 drojf          unfree. unfree. *hides*
15:33 * jcamins      never saw that before.
15:33 jcamins        Ooh, interesting.
15:32 nengard        it's on the wiki
15:32 nengard        that's what i use
15:32 nengard        don't need to learn docbook - just xmleditor from xxe
15:32 jcamins        nengard: Shari will be submitting patches to the manual once she's learned Docbook. :)
15:31 nengard        hehe
15:31 jcamins        nengard: yes, I had a feeling. :)
15:31 nengard        can anyone tell that i'm working on the 3.10 manual? lots of string fixes submitted today :)
15:31 jcamins        Though it will have to be supplemented by a desktop at some point, the same as my last one was for the last year or two.
15:30 jcamins        I don't imagine my laptop is going to last 6 years, but I expect it will last me three or four.
15:30 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8071 blocker, P1 - high, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , link beween bib and authorities with the authid
15:30 tcohen         hdl1: can you elaborate on how to test bug 8071?
15:30 eythian        mine is about a month.
15:30 cait           mine is not even 1 year old yet
15:30 eythian        I could probably see that, too
15:30 eythian        yeah, the manufacturers goal for the one I got was about a 6 year lifetime.
15:30 cait           jcamins: exactly hehe
15:29 cait           but next time is still far away - I tend to use my hardware for a longer time
15:29 jcamins        eythian: fortunately, now that it's working, cait will probably not need to get another laptop for years.
15:29 cait           probably :)
15:28 eythian        cait: however next time you'll probably buy a laptop with just intel graphics, and everything will be nice and happy anyway.
15:25 jcamins        :)
15:25 cait           the only good thing about problems like this is that I learn something new everytime :)
15:24 drojf          hehe
15:24 jcamins        lol
15:24 cait           thx again everyone forkeeping me sane and keeping my laptop from flying out the window :)
15:22 cait           probably
15:22 cait           no idea :(
15:21 drojf          https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/871667 sounds great
15:20 drojf          the nvidia driver?
15:20 drojf          where did the wrong permissions come from?
15:20 cait           in case someone wants to know: activating the second screen from the nvidia tools works and the login was wrong permissions on .Xauthority in my home directoy
15:20 drojf          :)
15:19 drojf          well that was easy
15:19 jcamins        Yay!
15:19 cait           and it's super fast
15:19 cait           works even
15:18 cait           it wors!
15:18 cait           omg
15:17 drojf          only took, like, hours?
15:17 drojf          but it will probably just work now :)
15:16 drojf          cait: i still had this here from before… http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/nvidia-settings#Zusaetzliche-Monitore http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/NVIDIA/XServer_Optionen#TwinView-Zwei-Bildschirme-betreiben http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Disper one of these is going to help
15:15 cait           ok... crossing fingers that I will have 2 working screens and a working login soon
15:15 cait           heh:)
15:14 jcamins        paul_p: look at that, H:T:P lost karma just by existing.
15:12 paul_p         <!-- TMPL_VAR name="somevariable" --> is now [% (somevariable) %]
15:12 paul_p         costed <! a lot of -- :D :D
15:12 paul_p         hey, <!-- is the syntax for HTML::Template, we used before Template::Toolkit !
15:10 cait           now going to try the second screen again...
15:10 cait           oook
15:10 cait           now
15:10 cait           hehe
15:09 cait           drojf: not yet
15:06 jcamins        Hehe.
15:06 huginn         eythian: Karma for "C" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14.
15:06 eythian        @karma C
15:05 drojf          poor <!
15:05 wizzyrea       pity party, probably
15:05 wizzyrea       hehe yea
15:05 jcamins        It's been increased eight times!
15:05 huginn         mveron: Karma for "mveron" has been increased 29 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 29.
15:05 mveron         @karma mveron
15:05 huginn         jcamins: Karma for "<!" has been increased 8 times and decreased 116 times for a total karma of -108.
15:05 jcamins        @karma <!
15:05 wizzyrea       ;)
15:05 drojf          :D
15:05 wizzyrea       <!++
15:05 wizzyrea       :)
15:05 drojf          Lowest karma: "<!" (-109) <- haha
15:05 * jcamins      is catching up to wizzyrea!
15:04 jcamins        Ooh.
15:04 huginn         jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 342 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 341.
15:04 jcamins        @karma jcamins
15:04 huginn         jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (594), "oleonard" (517), and "wizzyrea" (346).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-84), and "-" (-51).  You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2131.
15:04 jcamins        @karma
15:04 drojf          can you log in again?
15:04 cait           drojf++ jcamins++ eythian++
15:04 cait           nvidia--
15:02 tcohen         hahha
15:01 gaetan_B       bye !
15:01 jcamins        tcohen++ # for giving me a reason to do it _now_
15:01 jcamins        I've been meaning to figure out how to push that to a public repo for weeks now.
15:01 jcamins        hdl1: yes, I plan to. :D
15:00 hdl1           jcamins: And now you can send merge request to Frederic :D
15:00 jcamins        I create one daemon with one process per instance.
15:00 jcamins        fredericd's original daemon code creates one daemon per instance.
15:00 jcamins        hdl1: I modified it.
14:59 hdl1           tcohen: you also have that on git.tamil.fr:tools iirc
14:56 jcamins        Another thing for my to-do list: public git repo.
14:56 jcamins        tcohen: https://github.com/jcamins/tamilcontribs
14:55 jcamins        It should be finished with that soon.
14:55 tcohen         :-D
14:55 jcamins        tcohen: I'm uploading now.
14:52 huginn         eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 16.4°C (3:45 PM BST on June 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
14:52 eythian        @wunder brighton, uk
14:49 jcamins        I thought I'd seen that at some point.
14:49 jcamins        schuster: excellent!
14:49 schuster       To fix my pac error messages..
14:49 jcamins        (and I couldn't figure out how to attach an object to an event)
14:49 schuster       jcamins - found the patch that was pushed thanks!
14:48 jcamins        But Perl OO is weird.
14:48 jcamins        What it really *should* be doing is using one event loop.
14:48 * jcamins      isn't really satisfied with his modified daemon, but at least it works.
14:48 tcohen         thanks
14:47 jcamins        eythian: agreed.
14:47 jcamins        tcohen: if I can figure out how to create a new repo on github quickly, I'll push it now.
14:47 eythian        really we should use a real queuing system
14:47 tcohen         jcamins, when you have the time, please send me that version of fredericd's daemon
14:46 * jcamins      will go with that option.
14:46 drojf1         heh
14:46 jcamins        lol
14:46 cait           or you read it and say mirko
14:46 * jcamins      isn't a German speaker.
14:46 drojf1         just like it's written ;)
14:45 jcamins        drojf1: how do you pronounce your nick? I have been wondering this for ages.
14:44 jcamins        Any errors that show up during boot should also show up in dmesg.
14:44 eythian        try the nosplash thing
14:44 eythian        that is what it sounds like
14:43 cait           someone else said a problem with the xserver dying?
14:42 drojf          also you could disable the ubuntu splash screen on startup and see if that helps. i think nosplash in grub
14:42 eythian        that was fixed though
14:42 eythian        yeah, there was a bug where it just sat there doing nothing after entering the password, about 50% of the time
14:41 drojf          but the lines that appear shortly should be in the log
14:41 drojf          ;)
14:41 drojf          this is because the pw is ok ;
14:41 cait           it goes black for a second, then some lines of text are shown (too short to read anything) and I am back on the log in screen - there is no error message like wrong password
14:40 eythian        (also, what exactly is happening when you try and it doesn't work?)
14:40 eythian        errors and such from when you tried to log in but it failed
14:39 ryehex         ok cool
14:39 cait           hmfound the file now, but what am I looking for?
14:37 jcamins        ryehex: right.
14:37 ryehex         u mean just let koha do the db updates and I shouldn't worry about specific tables?
14:37 jcamins        I've forgotten which one, but it was startlingly nice.
14:37 jcamins        I found a desktop manager I really liked.
14:37 jcamins        Oh, speaking of which.
14:37 drojf          ok, link was old probably
14:37 eythian        gdm is not used in ubuntu 12.04
14:36 eythian        look in /var/log/lightdm
14:36 cait           drojf: ?
14:36 drojf          what desktop are you using?
14:35 cait           seems there is no such file?
14:35 drojf          cait: you should be able to get in using startx. but that is not the direct way…
14:35 jcamins        ryehex: also, what eythian said.
14:34 eythian        usually you just work on the database as a whole, not individual tables.
14:34 eythian        ryehex: it's not usual to do it at such a low level that this is something you'll encounter.
14:34 cait           drojf: working on it
14:34 cait           eythian: it burns...
14:33 drojf          cait: what came out of the greeter log thingy?
14:33 jcamins        ryehex: keep deleted_*, but you can remove all the import_*
14:33 ryehex         We want to migrate our old koha db from 3.00.01.005 to a clean 3.8 koha install. I read that tables 'sessions' and 'zebraqueue' have no value to migrate over. Is there anything in the 'deleted*' or 'import_*' tables that is necessary to migrate the the new install?
14:31 eythian        cait: remember the hating bit?
14:30 cait           ... and all because I wanted a second screen...
14:29 jcamins        You need that, and you need this: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages
14:28 jcamins        I should probably have a list of packages that are required for release-tool.pl to work.
14:28 jcamins        Told ya. :P
14:27 tcohen         an ICBM!
14:27 tcohen         !
14:27 jcamins        (with, granted, several hundred lines of POD)
14:27 jcamins        I have a 1000-line script.
14:26 jcamins        Normal people have a ~10 line script.
14:26 jcamins        Open up release-tool.pl, and you'll see what I mean.
14:26 tcohen         hehe
14:26 jcamins        Yup.
14:26 tcohen         intercontinental ballistic missile?
14:26 jcamins        tcohen: if you look at release-tool.pl in that repo, it does basically everything.
14:26 jcamins        tcohen: hehe.
14:25 tcohen         i just understand the meaning of a few of that words!
14:23 jcamins        https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools
14:23 jcamins        Instead of using the recommended flyswatter for killing that gnat, I use an ICBM!
14:23 tcohen         how hard is to set everything for tha?
14:23 jcamins        Yup.
14:23 tcohen         but you build your own packages.. ?
14:23 jcamins        tcohen: I don't use stock Koha.
14:22 tcohen         they don't want to lose
14:22 tcohen         but we added some fancy stuff to our 3.0.x setup
14:21 tcohen         i'm trying to convince our users to accept the stock koha
14:21 tcohen         i didnnt have the time to set a deb building service for our infrastructure
14:21 jcamins        No, you just install it using apt or cpan.
14:20 tcohen         will it be included into koha any time soon?
14:20 jcamins        Which is just as well, since I still haven't set up a new public git repo.
14:20 jcamins        In that case my modifications of fredericd's daemon won't be helpful.
14:20 tcohen         we have our own svn for deployment
14:19 tcohen         no
14:19 jcamins        Do you use packages?
14:19 jcamins        Though I don't have 30+ instances.
14:19 tcohen         i'll give it a try
14:19 jcamins        tcohen: agreed. That's why I use the daemon.
14:19 tcohen         jcamins: using cron does not scale for us. Using a daemon does
14:19 jcamins        tcohen: I use fredericd's daemon.
14:18 drojf          http://superuser.com/questions/291044/cannot-login-in-graphical-mode-ubuntu-10-04-lts
14:18 drojf          mom
14:18 drojf          i think that link was not really helpful, only if you have the same error. they also said something about disabling ubuntu splash screen
14:18 * cait         laughs hysterically
14:18 jcamins        tcohen: no.
14:18 cait           now i can't log in as my normal user... but dual screen works...
14:18 cait           lol
14:17 cait           drojf: I would really like to fix that :(
14:17 tcohen         does anyone have +30 koha's in the same server with cron-ed zebra -z every minute?
14:16 cait           drojf: says the internet about my logging in problem? do you have a link?
14:15 eythian        future releases are going to be able to use xrandr apparently
14:15 eythian        twinview is nvidia's "special" way of doing dual screen.
14:14 eythian        OK
14:12 cait           so I think we can at least rule out broken hardware
14:12 cait           in "twinview"
14:12 cait           and I got the second screen working for a minute
14:12 cait           logged in as my koha user (thatworked ... not sure why
14:11 cait           ok
14:08 jcamins        Hm. I thought there was something about the OPAC.
14:08 eythian        maybe your vga plug is broken?
14:08 drojf          says the internet
14:08 drojf          cait: cat /var/log/gdm/:0-greeter.log
14:08 cait           ;)
14:08 cait           eythian: no, not ok. grrrrr.
14:08 schuster       I did go to bugz and there was a problem but it reffered to the staff client only.
14:06 eythian        hmm ok
14:06 cait           gui
14:05 eythian        from the gui or the command line?
14:05 cait           *cries*
14:05 cait           uhoh :(
14:05 cait           yeah
14:05 drojf          hm
14:04 jcamins        Uh-oh.
14:04 cait           installed a different nvidia driver and now I can#t log into my system???
14:04 cait           ohfun
14:04 jcamins        Did you look in bugzilla?
14:04 jcamins        schuster: there was a problem with that recently, I think.
14:02 eythian        I have seen it, not sure what situations it comes up in, maybe only when you change from the default?
14:02 schuster       I used one of the demo systems and don't see the cookie get set there either...???
14:02 schuster       Is anyone else getting that cookie?  3.6.5 Koha.
14:02 schuster       I have a question about opac language and setting cookies.  I am seeing a lot of errors in my koha-opac-error-log and was investigating.  Templates.pm calls to look at the KohaOpacLanguage cookie, but I'm not seeing it set when I go into pac anywhere.
14:00 cait1          brb ( I hope)
13:58 eythian        http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie8-windows_other/what-is-causing-webpage-has-expired-page-to-be/29ac7a88-b38c-4596-b4f7-439b7348194f <-- "solution"
13:57 jcamins        eythian: there's nothing to do about it.
13:57 cait1          and I think there was no solution (afaik)
13:57 eythian        cait1: OK cool. In that case, I can just tell them that.
13:57 cait1          might be on bugzilla too
13:57 cait1          eythian: I think it#s a known bug with ie
13:57 sekjal         later, all
13:57 wahanui        somebody said meeting time was always going to favour one section of the globe
13:57 sekjal         meeting time
13:57 eythian        (aside from the obvious)
13:57 eythian        and know what to do about it?
13:56 drojf          also http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Disper
13:56 eythian        does anyone see "webpage has expired" messages in the staff client when the back button is use with IE?
13:55 wahanui        well, searching is not working
13:55 cait1          searching
13:55 drojf          cait1: in the nvidia program or the general graphics settings?
13:53 cait1          heh
13:53 cait1          aha
13:52 * jcamins      speculates wildly that maybe there's a box somewhere in the configuration program that  you have to check to enable the VGA interface.
13:52 cait1          drojf, jcamins: before it said nothing was plugged in - now it does not now about vga at all?
13:51 mrenvoize      Good morning..
13:51 maximep        good morning =)
13:51 cait1          hi maximep and mrenvoize
13:50 cait1          I have no other cable... so anything else would require a trip to the shop right now
13:50 jcamins        Darn. That's what I was going to suggest you do. :(
13:50 cait1          vga
13:50 jcamins        cait1: are you trying with VGA or DisplayPort?
13:50 jcamins        320 x 175? Why would anyone want to do that?
13:50 eythian        that looks relatively normal for having one screen...
13:49 cait1          that's from running xrandr
13:49 cait1          http://paste.koha-community.org/7
13:49 cait1          eythian: exactly
13:48 mveron         jcamins: Thanks :-)
13:48 eythian        does it not see it?
13:48 cait1          eythian: tried it - no change
13:47 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8058 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , Circulation empty barcode field redirect to pay fines screen if borrower has outstanding fines
13:47 jcamins        mveron: I like your suggestion on bug 8058 a lot.
13:47 eythian        and click the detect button?
13:47 drojf          unplug and put in again?
13:47 cait1          ook
13:47 eythian        what does the nvidia-settings say about your monitor?
13:47 cait           and switching this here back so I cna copy and paste :)
13:47 eythian        why not?
13:47 cait           no working external monitor
13:46 eythian        what does the appropriate configuration screen say?
13:45 jcamins        Definitely using nvida, then. Still no working external monitor?
13:44 cait           lots of tabs with configuration options
13:44 cait           no
13:44 eythian        rather than just "hey, you don't seem to have an nvidia card"
13:43 eythian        (and says something useful, like what you have plugged in)
13:43 cait           runs
13:42 eythian        if it works, nvidia. If not, not.
13:42 eythian        cait: run nvidia-settings
13:42 cait           more suggestons?
13:42 sekjal         1 Q&A session, 1 survey discussion, 1 committee meeting, 2 website consultations
13:42 cait           hm
13:41 drojf          depends on the meetings ;)
13:41 jcamins        sekjal: productive day!
13:41 sekjal         aaaand, that makes 5 meetings today, starting in 20 min, and going straight through the rest of the workday
13:41 drojf          it helps watching ;)
13:40 cait           does that help my problem?
13:40 cait           heh
13:40 drojf          s
13:40 * drojf        inhales gummy bear
13:37 * jcamins      doesn't know exactly where that would be. <-- no X
13:37 cait           ?
13:37 cait           ok=
13:36 jcamins        It'll be somewhere in your X log
13:36 cait           hm xrandr looks different now
13:35 cait           how can I check?
13:35 cait           but I am not trusting it
13:35 cait           it shoudl
13:35 jcamins        It probably is using nvidia, because you disabled the Intel graphics.
13:34 drojf          heh
13:34 cait           trying to find out now :)
13:34 cait           not sure yet it's really using the nvidia thing... but I have a desktop
13:34 cait           lol
13:34 drojf          woohoo
13:33 drojf          helping each other: cait-drojf 1000:1 <-- now \o/
13:33 cait           drojf: I have a desktop!
13:33 cait           and thx again to all helping :)
13:32 drojf          good luck
13:32 cait           restarting
13:32 drojf          also http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers agrees
13:32 drojf          i had to do that somewhen, long ago. but it worked then
13:31 * jcamins      is glad drojf actually knows something about all this... he was just making stuff up that sounded good. ;)
13:29 drojf          reboot
13:29 cait           I did add both lines, same output for startx
13:28 drojf          also i suggested that before the blog post :P
13:27 drojf          and add "blacklist nouveau" while you are there
13:27 drojf          add "blacklist nv"
13:27 drojf          /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
13:27 cait           some blog post suggests blacklisting nv - but blacklist does not exist as command
13:27 cait           not sure...
13:26 cait           it was a long list of things
13:26 eythian        like "rebuilding module"
13:25 eythian        when you did the  reinstall, did it do dkms stuff?
13:25 cait           and some more errors along those lines after that
13:25 cait           then: Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has ersion 295.49 but this NVIDIA driver component has version 295.40. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA drier components have the same version
13:24 cait           Failed to load module 'nv' (module does not exist)
13:23 cait           the first 2 errors from starx are:
13:23 cait           drojf: if you want I can sent you a photo of the screen... heh
13:23 cait           yeah, not helpful :)
13:23 drojf          cait: got the nv message again?
13:22 eythian        not that that's helpful I'm afraid.
13:22 cait           I can feel it
13:21 eythian        this is because nvidia hates you
13:21 cait           eythian: I did it, no change in xstart
13:20 cait           and for the record... the second screen works on my old old old laptop without any problems... only had to plug it in :(
13:19 cait           trying
13:19 cait           ok
13:19 eythian        apt-get install --reinstall ...
13:19 cait           sudo apt-get remove nvidia_current?
13:19 cait           sorry, my linux vocabulary is still terrible :(
13:18 cait           tell me how maybe?
13:18 cait           ok...
13:18 jcamins        cait: you probably need to uninstall the nvidia module, then reinstall.
13:18 cait           that's progress
13:18 cait           bot the second laptop to connect to the internet
13:18 cait           ok, first problem solved
13:18 cait           hah
13:17 jcamins        Ah.
13:16 eythian        I can't actually see that it uses it
13:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Cart email broken for non english templates
13:15 eythian        Am I wrong, or does bug 8062 introduce a dependency on HTML::FormatText and not declare it?
13:15 eythian        well, part of it
13:14 eythian        it sounds like it is
13:14 cait-m__       dont think thats the prob
13:13 drojf          you can blacklist the module if you dont want to use it
13:13 cait-m__       ?
13:13 drojf          blacklist nv
13:11 cait-m__       hmpf :-(
13:04 jcamins        Maybe.
13:03 jcamins        I think.
13:03 jcamins        You don't want to load nv. You want to use nvidia.
13:03 jcamins        nv?
13:03 cait-m__       that could be the problem maybe?
13:03 cait-m__       api mismatch between driver component and kernel mkdule?
13:02 cait-m__       failed to liad module nv
13:00 cait-m__       hmm startx looks not good
13:00 eythian        it's ==== in the middle
12:59 nengard        for some reason i thought it was ----
12:59 nengard        thanks jcamins
12:59 cait-m__       i tried the jockey line from the wesite takes forever no output
12:58 eythian        I think the conflict markers appear the same no matter what merge type you use
12:58 jcamins        (git am -3iu patchfile)
12:58 jcamins        But you had to apply the patch with 3-way merge.
12:58 magnuse        eythian++
12:58 jcamins        Search for <<<
12:57 nengard        can someone remind me how to find conflicts in a file that i'm trying to commit?
12:57 eythian        looks like I'll be able to test and sign-off on this...
12:57 eythian        magnuse: cheers
12:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha
12:56 magnuse        eythian: bug 8315
12:55 cait-m__       hm have to wait for jockey right now
12:55 jcamins        Or maybe just switch to VT-8?
12:54 jcamins        Run startx?
12:54 jcamins        Okay, that means the modprobe line probably succeeded.
12:54 eythian        > C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.08.01.002 at /home/robin/kohaclones/ca/opac/opac-tags.pl line 41.
12:54 cait-m__       none indtalled
12:53 cait-m__       jockey says the same as before ,
12:53 eythian        to which?
12:53 cait-m__       did now - no output
12:53 eythian        and/or jockey-text
12:51 jcamins        Did you try sudo modprobe nvidia-current?
12:50 cait-m__       ok trapped on command line... what can i do?
12:49 cait-m__       no luck with my devices today
12:49 cait-m__       old laptop hates the access point
12:49 cait-m__       grrr
12:36 cait           Iwill be back, thx all for helping me :)
12:36 cait           ok
12:36 jcamins        cait: right, so you need to enable discrete graphics in the BIOS, and then do the jocky-text bit.
12:36 eythian        you can't load the module if it's turned off I'd expect
12:36 cait           ok
12:36 cait           eythian: I kinda had to to come back...
12:36 jcamins        Okay, so it's installed but not loadable.
12:36 eythian        do you maybe have the nvidia bit turned off in the bios?
12:35 eythian        I guess they renamed the module since I last looked.
12:35 cait           ah sorry, looked not so much on the screen
12:35 cait           nvidia-current-updates, 295.49, 3.2.0-25-generic, x86_64: installed
12:35 cait           nvidia-current-updates, 295.49, 3.2.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed
12:35 cait           nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.2.0-25-generic, x86_64: installed
12:35 cait           nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.2.0-24-generic, x86_64: installed
12:35 cait           jcamins: nvidia-current, 295.40, 3.0.0-17-generic, x86_64: installed
12:35 cait           FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current (/lib/modules/3.2.0-25-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia_current.ko): No such device
12:35 jcamins        sudo dkms status
12:34 eythian        so 'sudo modprobe nv<tab>'
12:34 eythian        you can tab-complete modprobe
12:34 cait           more ideas hints?
12:34 cait           ok
12:34 cait           *sigh*
12:34 cait           I think it should be possible and maybe it even worked in the past... but not totally sure
12:34 eythian        oh right
12:34 jcamins        eythian: the instructions on that page were how to use the nVidia card.
12:33 cait           fatal: module nvidia not found
12:33 eythian        I don't think you drive the nvidia side in linux anyway
12:33 jcamins        ^^ does that do anything?
12:33 eythian        no -current on the module I think
12:33 jcamins        sudo modprobe nvidia-current
12:32 cait           yeah, I tried that - instead of _ - still the same
12:32 jcamins        Maybe try xorg:nvidia-current?
12:32 jcamins        Not sure, then, sorry. :(
12:31 jcamins        Hm.
12:31 cait           but that is installed
12:31 cait           oh yes typo
12:31 jcamins        It's nvidia-current that you need.
12:31 cait           says unknown driver
12:31 cait           jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current < this doesn't work
12:31 cait           the package manager shows nvidia-common as installed
12:30 jcamins        You'll have to enable the drivers the first time from the TTY, I suspect.
12:30 jcamins        cait: oh, you already installed and enabled the drivers?
12:29 drojf          cait: http://www.produnis.de/blog/?p=1506 it's about a docking station, but that may be irrelevant for the graphics part
12:29 cait           jcamins: I tried hat... and I ended up on command line
12:28 cait           I am still reading :)
12:28 * jcamins      would go with option 2 on that first page, at least to start with.
12:27 jcamins        http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.com/2012/04/post-title.html
12:26 eythian        "optimus" is a dual nvidia-integrated thing, it'll "seamlessly" switch between them depending on graphics load and battery needs.
12:26 jcamins        http://zachstechnotes.blogspot.com/2012/01/tri-head-display-on-linux-thinkpad-w520.html
12:26 * cait         doesn't want to be hated...
12:26 cait           eythian: that's not helpful!
12:26 eythian        drojf: no
12:26 cait           no, I think you are right
12:25 eythian        http://askubuntu.com/questions/103564/external-displays-with-bumblebee <-- I think the problem boils down to "nvidia hates you"
12:25 drojf          nvidia and optimus? ok i thought the optimus is nvidia and guessed the integrated is intel. now im confused
12:25 cait           the external just doesn't work at all... I was trying to find out why
12:25 drojf          but it still tries to use it for external monitor?
12:25 cait           there are 3 settings, nvidia, optimus and integrated
12:24 drojf          ok
12:24 cait           drojf: yeah, I did theat
12:24 cait           sorry, already getting  bit confused here... meh.
12:24 drojf          can you disable the nvidia in bios?
12:24 jcamins        Right.
12:24 drojf          but with the intel card and not the nvidia optimus
12:24 cait           it is
12:24 jcamins        It's not just an external monitor?
12:24 cait           ah, maybe I misunderstood jcamins
12:24 cait           a second screen
12:24 cait           thinkpad w520
12:24 drojf          what do you want?
12:23 cait           jcamins: that's not what I want
12:23 jcamins        What laptop do you have? Maybe there's some way to tell it to use the external monitor with the integrated video?
12:23 jcamins        Hehe. Yeah, I'd imagine.
12:23 cait           eythian: it reported "no proprietary drivers used"
12:23 sekjal         a lot, I think is the answer
12:22 sekjal         I looked at libpurple, the Pidgin core, and wondered how much effort it would take to make our own chat solution
12:22 cait           extra stuur - sounds like extra stubborn in German :)
12:22 cait           lol
12:22 jcamins        sekjal: makes sense.
12:22 sekjal         jcamins:  we're probably just going to switch over to LibChat, and only offer limited legacy support for chat over single networks
12:21 eythian        (or type "jockey" into dash, that'll make it show up)
12:21 eythian        or, search for however "Extra stuur programma's" is translated into english, that'll find it too.
12:20 jcamins        Well, that might be it then.
12:20 jcamins        Oh.
12:20 eythian        I think now it comes up automatically if needed.
12:20 jcamins        Then they redid everything and made it weird.
12:20 jcamins        cait: Ubuntu used to have a "find proprietary drivers" program.
12:19 cait           anyone any hints how to find the right drivers?
12:19 sekjal         cait: ah, I imagine laptops are even more difficult to work with there
12:19 cait           um
12:19 eythian        ah right. They've gotten a lot better.
12:19 jcamins        Of course, that was on Ubuntu 6.4.
12:19 jcamins        eythian: really? There used to be.
12:19 eythian        intel puts its drivers into the kernel tree, in general
12:19 eythian        jcamins: I don't think there are proprietary intel drivers
12:19 jcamins        cait: which laptop?
12:18 cait           sekjal: it's a laptop - so I hope it will work :)
12:18 jcamins        sekjal: oh, I found a website that you might find interesting: http://www.lassanamagassa.com/2012/06/meebo-messenger-is-shutting-down-now-what/
12:18 sekjal         cait:  first graphics card I bought for my Ubuntu desktop didn't work very well at all... even with proprietary drivers.  had to swap out for a more robustly supported card
12:18 cait           that's why I was gone so long :)
12:17 cait           I don't care if it doesn#t support optimus I think but it would be nice if it didn't send me to command line when I switch to the nvidia in bios
12:17 jcamins        What about installing the proprietary drivers for the Intel video?
12:17 cait           eythian: I think they made some progess on it, but it's still very experimental, I didn't try it
12:17 eythian        ?
12:17 eythian        have you tried "bumblebee"
12:17 cait           drojf: you do one, I learn from htat? ;)
12:16 eythian        and nvidia is refusing to support it
12:16 drojf          just write a driver :)
12:16 eythian        that's terrible
12:16 eythian        optimus
12:16 eythian        oh
12:16 cait           yay ;)
12:16 drojf          ;)
12:16 drojf          your chance to become one
12:16 * cait         is not a hardware geek
12:16 cait           which is not supported by linux right now I think
12:15 cait           optimus
12:15 cait           gr 2
12:15 cait           it has too
12:15 cait           no
12:15 cait           maybe
12:15 drojf          you also bought an external graphics card for the monitor?
12:15 cait           yeah
12:15 jcamins        Maybe you need to install proprietary drivers for it?
12:14 cait           it's using the integrated and perhaps that's why it's not working...
12:14 cait           I think ubuntu doesn't like the graphics card
12:03 eythian        clearly
12:03 drojf          wrong cable
12:03 eythian        oh
12:03 eythian        (intel, nvidia, ?)
12:03 eythian        what video card?
12:03 drojf          lol
12:03 drojf          in kde there come up screen settings when you plug in the monitor. worked in ubuntu and debian
12:02 cait1          yes it is! :P
12:02 eythian        is the other end of the cable plugged into the screen? :)
12:02 cait1          I am trying something, brb
12:02 cait1          eythian: there is no indication that something was plugged in
12:02 cait1          eythian: I tried that... :(
12:02 eythian        but on mine, I just plug it in
12:02 cait1          xrandr without auto indicates there is nothing plugged in
12:02 eythian        open the screen settings?
12:01 cait1          hm nothing happening so far
12:01 cait1          newest ubuntu... forgot the name again :)
12:00 cait1          ubuntu
12:00 drojf          also depends on the dektop environment, not only os
11:59 hdl1           should could fo the job on Linux machine
11:58 hdl1           xrandr --auto
11:58 drojf          depends on your os though
11:58 hdl1           cait1: which os, which version ?
11:58 drojf          plug it in?
11:57 cait1          bought a second screen... is there a trick to make my laptop see it?
11:57 drojf          hey jcamins
11:57 cait1          hi drojf and jcamins
11:57 jcamins        Hi cait1 and drojf.
11:56 drojf          hi cait1
11:56 drojf          i said it first ;)
11:55 cait1          hi #koha
11:55 drojf          hi #koha
10:28 eythian        http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/vkwjz/iama_significant_portion_of_the_firefox_for/c55ec4d <-- the "mentored bugs" thing here is interesting.
09:37 * magnuse      added kohacon12
09:35 drojf          later
09:35 drojf          but im off to nonkoha work now
09:35 drojf          i think we should have kohacon12 also, we didnt talk about it besides i said it was awesome. if there is more to say about it that is
09:34 magnuse        ooh :-)
09:34 drojf          magnuse++
09:26 magnuse        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_18_July_2012 says 10 now, anyone is free to edit, of course
09:24 drojf          there was a final mail from brooke. i'm on my tablet, don't have my email archive here. but the discussion was 2 or 10 i think
09:23 magnuse        i'm creating the page now
09:22 magnuse        ok
09:22 drojf          should be 10
09:22 magnuse        10 utc?
09:22 drojf          yes
09:22 magnuse        did we ever decide on a time for the july meeting?
08:47 drojf1         omg i'm in the koha newsletter. i'm a celebrity *autographs some pictures of himself*
08:44 drojf1         hey mveron :)
08:44 mveron         Hi drojfl :-)
08:42 mveron         Hi rangi
08:42 rangi          hi mveron
08:42 mveron         Hi #koha  :-)
08:38 cait           bye all :)
08:35 eythian        g'morning
08:34 rangi          hi eythian
08:33 wahanui        hey, eythian
08:33 eythian        hello
08:33 cait           morning eythian:)
08:27 mtj-           Damian _Conway++
08:26 mtj-           pretty interesting stuff -> http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Regexp-Grammars/lib/Regexp/Grammars.pm
08:24 asaurat        nice =)
08:24 Oak            awesome name
08:24 cait           son of my older brother :)
08:24 cait           asaurat: markus
08:24 Oak            ahhh coool
08:24 asaurat1       what's his name ?
08:23 asaurat1       ooooh
08:23 cait           I was visiting my new baby nephew
08:23 Oak            :)
08:22 cait           :)
08:22 cait           Oak:!
08:20 drojf          good morning #koha
08:19 Oak            magnuse
08:19 Oak            where wert thou?
08:19 Oak            cait!
08:14 mtj-           and a nice plug for jenkins too
08:11 mtj-           yeah, i can imagine...
08:11 rangi          thanks, it was tricky to write
08:11 mtj-           rangi++, nice email  :)
08:03 mib_cvux1w     Hi, need help about KOHA theme change!
08:01 asaurat1       hi!!
07:59 rangi          heya asaurat1
07:42 rangi          and evening all
07:38 * rangi        answers stacy
07:08 gaetan_B       hola wahanui ;)
07:07 wahanui        hola, gaetan_B
07:07 gaetan_B       hello
07:06 reiveune       hello
06:50 julian_m       hi
06:37 cait           hi #koha
06:32 alex_a         bonjour
04:46 * Oak          wondering where cait is
03:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8315 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix 'C4::Output 3.02' errors in Koha
03:48 mtj-           logged a bug 8315 ...:)
03:44 mtj-           cjh_: yep, agreed, its something related to 'use' -> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/use.html
03:42 cjh_           although most places in koha dont mention the version they require so it does seem superfluous
03:41 cjh_           is it possible to fix the faulty comparison?
03:39 mtj-           i think simply remove the '3.02' stuff , its unnecessary
03:38 mtj-           i'm not sure what is the best fix...
03:37 cjh_           heh
03:37 mtj-           C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.07.00.049 at /home/mason/git/head/tags/review.pl line 33.
03:37 mtj-           hmm this looks new...
03:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8191 minor, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , New value for 8 position in coded data field 100 in unimarc
03:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Local cover images should be cacheable
03:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page
03:18 jenkins_koha   * sophie.meynieux: Bug 8191 : Adding a new value to 8 position of coded data field 100
03:18 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8255: allow local cover images to be cached
03:18 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 7143 Followup for timeline
03:18 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #74: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/74/
02:26 jenkins_koha   Starting build #74 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:26 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus
02:26 jenkins_koha   veron: Bug 7368 - General staff client typo omnibus
02:26 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #73: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/73/
01:53 rangi          dh_install: etc/koha/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg exists in debian/tmp but is not installed to anywhere
01:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
01:51 rangi          bug 7818 breaks the packaging
01:50 rangi          ah ha
01:35 jenkins_koha   Starting build #73 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:19 SJeffery       There is, SLA, that one has its own advantages and disadvantages
01:17 Oak            hello rangi :)
01:17 rangi          hi Oak
01:17 Oak            kia ora #koha
01:15 rangi          is there a corporate libraries association?
01:15 SJeffery       ALA is not well-suited for corporate libraries, but you can get a lot out of it if you work it
01:13 rangi          yup thats what i always say, the hallway track is the best conference track
01:13 SJeffery       There was a good one on IT strategic planning this afternoon...but really, you get more out of the networking and committees than the sessions,.
01:12 rangi          what was your pick of the conference?
01:11 rangi          ahhh
01:11 SJeffery       Plenty, also involved in committee stuff
01:11 rangi          did you go to any sessions?
01:10 SJeffery       Yeah, I will head back tomorrow afternoon.
01:10 rangi          ahh not too far away at least
01:09 SJeffery       no, az.
01:09 rangi          SJeffery: are you from california?
01:06 rangi          yeah i went to my first one last year, in new orleans, exhausting is exactly how id describe it
01:06 SJeffery       Exhausting is a good way to describe it
01:05 wahanui        it has been said that crazy is if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder
01:05 rangi          SJeffery: crazy?
00:56 SJeffery       Thank god ala is over
00:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8194 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history
00:41 jenkins_koha   oleonard: Bug 8194 - Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history
00:41 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #72: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/72/