Time Nick Message 23:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #72 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:40 rangi excellent 23:40 brylie Now I am settling in to do some web development. 23:40 brylie Really great! We just got back from an epic walk around San Fran. 23:39 rangi not too bad, busy as usual, and u? 23:39 brylie How are you today? 23:39 brylie hi rangi 23:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8224 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Pushed to Stable , aqplan.pl and aqbudgets: authorized values doesn't appear in planning list 23:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8282 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Bug in modules list in about.pl 23:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8289 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Stable , Upgrading from 2.2 does not work anymore 23:20 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 8224 - Make authorized values appear in planning list 23:20 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 8282: Bug in modules list in about.pl 23:20 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8289 Upgrading from 2.2 does not work anymore 23:20 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #71: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/71/ 23:14 jcamins I cannot. 23:13 jcamins chris_n said something about maybe setting that up. 23:13 jcamins I should see if I can push to that repo on git.k-c.org. 23:13 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools 23:13 rangi cool 23:12 jcamins rangi: new version of get_bugs.pl (and release-tool.pl) 23:11 jcamins rangi: yeah. A shame I rewrote it before I learned about it. 23:10 rangi jcamins: it is isnt it :) 23:10 rangi hi brylie 23:07 jcamins Whoah, install_misc/environment_Makefile.PL is really cool. 23:01 rangi :) 23:01 jcamins It even works sometimes. 23:01 * jcamins has a whole procedure in place to make sure that he doesn't do anything boneheaded. 23:01 jcamins etc., etc. 23:00 jcamins Oh, yeah, I know, but then I have to add it to my apt repo. 23:00 rangi then we can get eythian to submit it to debian :) 22:59 rangi dh-make-perl --cpan --build 22:59 rangi thats Koha/Indexer/Utils.pm 22:59 jcamins Later. 22:59 jcamins No Debian packages. 22:59 jcamins Ugh. 22:59 rangi Utils.pm:132, CyclomaticComplexityCheck, Priority: High 22:58 rangi :) 22:58 rangi 10 is a bit low 22:58 rangi i think i might up the complexity 22:57 rangi thats it 22:57 jcamins Is that the measureperl-checkstyle line? 22:57 jcamins How do you do that? 22:57 * jcamins would like to run that on C4::Search, just to see it. 22:57 jcamins Unfortunately, we have complaints. 22:57 jcamins Cool! 22:56 rangi i figure C4/ is a lost cause anyway 22:56 rangi checkstyle now runs on Koha/ 22:56 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/767/checkstyleResult/? 22:56 jcamins I should push my new release-tool.pl to my repo. 22:55 rangi i have now done this 22:55 rangi also 22:55 jcamins Right. 22:55 rangi but not before 3.10 22:55 rangi ie you introduce new untested code bang 22:55 jcamins Okay, that would be useful. 22:55 rangi soon i will make builds fail if coverage drops 22:55 jcamins Hm. Not sure that would be useful to me. 22:55 rangi runs prove and generates a coverage report too 22:54 jcamins Yeah, I'm reading that now. 22:54 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Continuous_Integration 22:54 jcamins What's the prove_cover? 22:54 rangi much the same 22:53 rangi if you look at the wiki, you can see what jenkins does 22:52 jcamins *others 22:52 * jcamins runs `prove t/ t/db_dependent/ t/www/ xt/ xt/author/` and a few othters. 22:51 rangi you want to do prove xt/author as well 22:51 rangi prove xt will miss a bunch of things you want to run too 22:51 * jcamins has reason to run `prove xt/` regularly, therefore, it should be easy. :P 22:51 rangi well xt doesnt always contain perl etc, but yes for a perl test .t is fine 22:50 * jcamins returns to his stance on .t 22:50 jcamins Oh, so xt is, indeed, what I want to be running. 22:50 rangi basically xt is all the stuff we should check/fix before a release 22:50 rangi extended functional/unit tests could go in t/extended :) 22:50 jcamins Well, "eXtended" made sense to me. :P 22:49 jcamins Oh. 22:49 rangi not eXtendend 22:49 rangi xt is release only tests 22:48 jcamins And shouldn't tests not change things? 22:48 jcamins Shouldn't xt be only eXtended Tests? 22:48 rangi xt doesnt contain only tests, it has some scripts to fix things too, like the license problems, which we shouldnt run all the time obviously 22:47 * jcamins is of the opinion that all xt tests should pass on the repo. 22:46 rangi run specific xt tests depending on your use cases 22:46 rangi prove on t 22:46 rangi but its not really what its for 22:46 rangi proving on xt is nice 22:46 jcamins Ugh. 22:46 jcamins Really? 22:46 rangi theres precedent for that, there are a bunch of things like find-nonutf8 that dont even have an extension 22:45 jcamins But I figured I should check whether there was any reason for that before signing off and changing the extension to .t. 22:45 jcamins Except for the fact that the extension is .pl. 22:45 rangi *nod* 22:44 jcamins Well, I like the rewritten version. 22:44 rangi arguments for xt tests are ok imho 22:44 rangi but i like the idea a lot 22:43 rangi havent yet 22:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Script to find exporter problems 22:42 jcamins rangi: did you look at bug 8244? 22:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #71 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:27 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 7818 Add UNIMARC biblio records zebra DOM def files 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: add warning about not editing record.abs when using DOM filter 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: update comment to clarify availability of DOM index mode 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: use Title-cover for title phrase weighting 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: -x option of rebuild_zebra.pl now works with DOM filter 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: Zebra DOM filter index definitions for MARC21 bibs 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: add index_data_field option to DOM indexing repertoire 22:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: move koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: utility to generate DOM indexing configs 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: update miscellaneous installer scripts 22:27 jenkins_koha * gmc: Bug 7818: update installer for biblio DOM indexing 22:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #70: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/70/ 22:21 rangi good newsletter all round 22:18 * rangi tweets about that 22:16 rangi yes, yes it is! 22:16 jcamins That is incredibly cool. 22:16 jcamins Wow. 22:15 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library#Enhanced_content_for_the_Staff 22:15 rangi he may have sent it to him, daniel asks for news items 22:15 * jcamins wonders where dgrobani got it from. 22:15 rangi nope 22:15 jcamins Did anyone else see it? 22:15 rangi hmm? 22:14 * jcamins totally missed Stefano's announcement about the VIAF autosuggest. 22:10 drojf better get some sleep. good night #koha 22:06 rangi ahh i see eythian commented already 22:05 rangi yep, just have to do it in a way, that can still get into debian proper .. which is the ultimate goal of the packages 22:05 jcamins If there were a koha-chroot package, it could automatically set them up. 22:04 jcamins rangi: yeah, I like the idea. I was thinking of mount --bind for my chroots as the best option. 22:04 rangi i think that would go against the packaging rules 22:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8310 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , All parts an instance should be under one path 22:04 rangi hmm bug 8310 21:43 mgeist Good evening all. 21:41 rangi *nod* 21:39 jcamins There are a lot of pretty awesome ideas that need signing off. 21:39 rangi night cait-m__ 21:39 cait-m__ night :-) 21:36 jcamins Yeah, that's an awesome idea. 21:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8301 enhancement, P3, ---, veron, Signed Off , Display additional system information (preferences) on About page to minimize support cases 21:36 rangi bug 8301 21:36 rangi really simple thing but cool 21:36 jcamins Waaay too little time. 21:36 rangi you know that i like 21:36 jcamins Yup. 21:36 jcamins lol 21:35 rangi too much to play with, not enough time :) 21:35 jenkins_koha Starting build #70 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:35 rangi you could index the data and the metadata in the same collection 21:35 rangi but more usefully 21:35 rangi means you could index unimarc, marc21, dc, whatever all in the same 'collection' 21:34 jcamins Ah. 21:34 rangi on a collection level it is, not down to the actual object 21:33 rangi not to the same extent 21:33 jcamins rangi: so's solr, isn't it? 21:33 rangi you pass the schema with the object you want indexed 21:33 rangi the awesome thing with elasticsearch, is its essentially schema less 21:33 jcamins cait-m__: for example, having non-Latin alphabet tracings work consistently. 21:32 jcamins rangi++ 21:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 21:31 rangi right bug 7818 is in the 3.8.x now 21:30 jcamins cait-m__: well, even better would be if search links worked. 21:30 rangi solr is using http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Data-SearchEngine-Solr-0.20/lib/Data/SearchEngine/Solr.pm 21:30 cait-m__ and search links would be the same? 21:30 jcamins "Koha doesn't support whizbang query syntax that uses those net drumstick thingies that what's his name wrote about!" 21:30 rangi http://search.cpan.org/~anelson/Data-SearchEngine-ElasticSearch-0.19/lib/Data/SearchEngine/ElasticSearch.pm <-- we should be able to drop this in now, and get 3 (zebra solr and elastic search) 21:29 drojf jcamins: yes that way we could have a lot of search engines now or in the future 21:29 rangi jcamins: yep, that wouldnt be a bad plan, could whack that in quite easily now .. before there is too much code built 21:28 jcamins Otherwise, we'll just have this conversation again in 8 years or so. 21:28 drojf sounds like something for me then 21:28 jcamins I still believe that we should have Koha::SearchEngine::QueryBuilder.pm, which generates a platform-agnostic query data structure, *then* uses the engine-specific routines to serialize it for the search engine. 21:28 drojf hahaha 21:28 rangi you are insane 21:28 rangi if you understand C4::Search 21:27 drojf i will probably dont understand anything :) 21:27 rangi ogres too 21:27 jcamins drojf: and actually, I recommend against putting everything directly in Koha::SearchEngine::Zebra::QueryBuilder.pm. 21:27 rangi it makes orges cry 21:27 rangi heh true :) 21:27 jcamins rangi: but I wasn't going to suggest that drojf start coding in Koha::SearchEngine::Zebra until he'd looked at the code and considered whether he *really* wanted to work on it. 21:26 jcamins rangi: oh, yeah. 21:26 rangi was my idea 21:26 rangi Koha::SearchEngine::Zebra::QueryBuilder.pm 21:25 rangi ie fixing it in 21:25 rangi nope, but fixing it there .. would mean we wont have to fix it in 2 places 21:25 jcamins But, it wouldn't fix Zebra. 21:25 jcamins Yeah, Bug 8233 is definitely worth looking at too. 21:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 21:24 rangi bug 8233 21:24 rangi if you wanted to be awesome 21:24 drojf thanks 21:24 rangi and then 21:24 jcamins drojf: C4::Search::buildQuery. 21:23 drojf jcamins: if i wanted to have a look at the not-fun code for analyzing search strings you mentioned in an email today, where would i start? 21:19 rangi right :) 21:19 jcamins (for me:) 21:19 jcamins (not for 3.6.x) 21:19 jcamins I'm probably going to cherry-pick that in August. 21:19 rangi i like that you can do -a -b -x now! 21:19 jcamins rangi: woohoo! 21:18 rangi cool this dom stuff just works ! 20:26 sekjal time to go. cheers, #koha! 20:23 cait-m__ hi rangi 20:23 sekjal hi, rangi 20:22 rangi hi cait-m__ and sekjal 20:17 sekjal hi, cait-m__ 20:17 jcamins o/ 20:17 cait-m__ hi all 19:52 rangi Something as a project we could do better I think 19:52 rangi It's always nice to give back to those whose work we are using 19:51 rangi Excellent 19:50 jcamins Shouldn't be too hard. I don't think we made any changes. 19:48 rangi I'll try to do it in a way that can go to both projects 19:48 jcamins It's most definitely missing that. 19:47 rangi Sweet 19:47 jcamins rangi: at least, I'm sure they'd take it if the project is still around. 19:47 jcamins rangi: yes. 19:45 rangi Hmm do people think if I extended the ris export to do things like 773a and a few others for marc21 it could go upstream? 19:43 rangi Does much the same 19:42 rangi I also like apt-cache policy 19:42 rangi Morning 18:46 jcamins sudo apt-get update && apt-cache show koha-common 18:44 ryehex is there anyway to tell what version of koha apt-get will pull down 18:40 jcamins No question. 18:40 jcamins apt-get. 18:39 ryehex when installing a fresh koha do you recommend to install from http://download.koha-community.org/ or to use the apt-get way? 18:36 ryehex ok I didn't know that the two ways would cause conflict. I should have figured after I finished today's upgrade and the koha_conf.xml files were a bit messed up. 18:31 jcamins You need to do one or the other or things get weird. 18:30 jcamins But not using sudo apt-get upgrade koha-common? 18:29 ryehex sorry...the latest stable release (3.8.2) from here: http://download.koha-community.org/ 18:27 jcamins Downloading what file? 18:26 ryehex I did a clean install last week of 3.8.1 from the 'apt-get install koha-common'. then just an hour ago I updated to 3.8.2 by downloading that file 18:23 jcamins lol 18:23 drojf whenever i read that question after somebody tells about a problem in koha i think to myself "please be the fork, please be the fork" 18:19 wizzyrea (I couldn't remember if it was 2nd or 3rd. :P) 18:19 wahanui the third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 18:19 wizzyrea the third question? 18:19 wahanui the second question is "What is the exact error message?" 18:19 wizzyrea the second question? 18:17 ryehex is there a problem with lists "virtualshelves" in the newer koha installs. Here is the error I'm getting: [Mon Jun 25 15:05:47 2012] shelves.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_koha`.`virtualshelves`, CONSTRAINT `virtualshelves_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`owner`) REFERENCES `borrowers` (`borrowe 17:54 eythian It needs to be upgraded anyway 17:53 eythian Yeah 17:53 jcamins You'll want to change that. 17:53 jcamins Yikes. 17:53 eythian Don't know why, but the template on one of our servers is set like that. 17:53 eythian Ah, found the source of it. 17:44 jcamins Good. :) 17:44 eythian no 17:44 jcamins I thought you meant changing the schema in Koha. 17:44 jcamins Agreed. 17:44 jcamins Yes. 17:44 jcamins Ah. 17:44 eythian Well, since it ended up as myisam terror somehow, I should separate out the data and the schema, put a fresh, correct schema in and load the data into that. 17:43 jcamins Not having foreign keys is a Disastrous Thing. 17:43 jcamins Using foreign keys is a Good Thing. 17:43 jcamins What do you mean? 17:42 eythian *schema 17:42 eythian I wonder if it's worth redoing the scheme of that some time. Post-upgrade perhaps. 17:42 eythian yes, that might be it. 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace DynArch calendar widget with jQueryUI version 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8191 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , New value for 8 position in coded data field 100 in unimarc 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Local cover images should be cacheable 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6090 minor, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , empty mails in message_queue are sent 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8194 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8224 normal, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Pushed to Master , aqplan.pl and aqbudgets: authorized values doesn't appear in planning list 17:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8181 [REVISED] Replace DynArch calendar widget with jQueryUI version 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8241 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove stray references to YUI autocomplete 17:40 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 8191 : Adding a new value to 8 position of coded data field 100 17:40 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8255: allow local cover images to be cached 17:40 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7143 Followup for timeline 17:40 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 7368 - General staff client typo omnibus 17:40 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 6090: Do not enqueue empty messages 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8282 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Bug in modules list in about.pl 17:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8194 - Layout problem on subscription add when showing manual history 17:40 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7379: display of copy number description (AV) 17:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8289 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , Upgrading from 2.2 does not work anymore 17:40 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 8224 - Make authorized values appear in planning list 17:40 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8241: Remove text fragment from Z39.50-Server search 17:40 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8241 - Remove stray references to YUI autocomplete 17:40 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 8282: Bug in modules list in about.pl 17:40 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8289 Upgrading from 2.2 does not work anymore 17:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #767: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/767/ 17:40 jcamins MyISAM doesn't have foreign keys. 17:39 jcamins Yeah, I'm not surprised. 17:39 jcamins Oh boy. 17:39 eythian that seems to be the line 17:39 eythian $dbh->do("ALTER TABLE issues DROP FOREIGN KEY `issues_ibfk_1`"); 17:38 jcamins Wow. I've never seen anything like that. 17:38 jcamins o.O 17:38 eythian oh good, new errors! 17:38 eythian Tue Jun 26 05:35:12 2012] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Error on rename of './koha_centralag/issues' to './koha_centralag/#sql2-554b-12a6' (errno: 152) at /home/robin/kohaclones/ca/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 4424. 17:34 jcamins Yeah, MyISAM instead of InnoDB would make it a lot faster. 17:34 wahanui jcamins: excuse me? 17:34 jcamins wahanui: that's true. 17:34 eythian I see 17:34 jcamins Myshkin is our cat. 17:34 eythian also, I guess that was why the last import went so fast. 17:34 wahanui i guess Myshkin is more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue. 17:34 eythian Myshkin? 17:33 jcamins => don't use MyISAM for Koha tables because Myshkin disapproves of it 17:33 jcamins Myshkin disapproves. 17:33 * jcamins demonstrates. 17:30 jcamins Like, run around screaming and waving your arms in the air big. :) 17:29 jcamins Seriously. Big disaster. 17:29 jcamins It will be a disaster otherwise. 17:29 jcamins That would be a good idea. 17:29 eythian I might s/MyISAM/InnoDB/ in my dump and reimport it. 17:28 eythian I wonder what happened there. 17:28 eythian OK, it forces it to InnoDB in the sql structure file, but in my database it's MyISAM 17:24 jcamins Maybe this installation predates Koha 3? 17:24 eythian (or something else is going on) 17:24 eythian otherwise this wouldn't happen :) 17:24 eythian but we clearly don't 17:23 jcamins Yes, that's why we explicitly specify InnoDB everywhere. 17:23 drojf jcamins: i'm writing about minority language rights in northern europe 17:23 eythian however, it seems to be the mysql default 17:23 jcamins At least, that's my understanding. 17:23 jcamins Much too cavalierly. 17:22 jcamins Or, rather, they will work. 17:22 jcamins Without foreign keys, deletes won't work. 17:22 jcamins MyISAM doesn't support foreign keys. 17:22 jcamins You should fix that. 17:22 eythian or rather, forcing new table that have a relationship with that to be InnoDB 17:21 jcamins Uhhh... 17:21 eythian > This seems to be because the biblio table on my database is MyISAM, and so forcing it to InnoDB causes breakage. 17:21 eythian jcamins: slightly, writing up info now 17:20 jcamins eythian: I just ran that upgrade, and it worked fine. Is there anything odd about your library? 17:19 jcamins drojf: oh, what are you writing a paper about? :) 17:18 drojf jcamins: 7pm. a few more hours of writing a paper for me 17:11 jcamins drojf: isn't it the end of the day? 17:10 drojf yeah, we're closed. the whole library for myself. should have brought the pi to actually try it with a monitor for once 17:10 drojf ah. ok 17:10 jcamins drojf: no, 3.8.2 is 184.108.40.206 17:10 drojf that gets confusing, i better stop 17:10 drojf he said 220.127.116.11 is what the version identifies itself as. but since it is technically 3.8.2, i thought it is 3.8.2[.1] since it is the first version of 3.8.2. 17:08 drojf heh 17:08 * jcamins might not be talking about the same thing as everyone else. 17:08 jcamins I thought eythian just said it was set to 18.104.22.168. 17:07 drojf but technically it is 22.214.171.124 right now, isn't it? 17:07 jcamins Shouldn't it? 17:06 jcamins 126.96.36.199 should be greater. 17:06 drojf make a 188.8.131.52 to fix it ;) 17:05 drojf eythian: whoops 17:02 Oak night 17:00 eythian hrm, 3.8.2 identifies itself as 184.108.40.206 aparently 16:55 mgeist lol 16:49 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 16:49 wizzyrea @quote get 145 16:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #767 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:49 mib_onl4zc Hello, n00b here - is anyone about? 16:41 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8181 [REVISED] Replace DynArch calendar widget with jQueryUI version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b74492d7d25bddf0aab16d70c068dd052981d84> / Bug 8191 : Adding a new value to 8 position of coded data field 100 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=45a0e7a9dba89da8449d5465fea9ec5ae70b5f07> / Bug 8255: allow local cover images to be cached <http://git.koha-com 16:37 jcamins Bye. 16:36 paul_p time to go back home for me now. bye & see you later ! 16:36 paul_p jcamins OK, seen (and probably a valid argument !). 16:34 jcamins paul_p: so I don't think I need to say it now. ;) 16:34 jcamins paul_p: I wanted to say what sekjal already said. 16:31 paul_p jcamins : i must leave in a few minuts (if you want to speak of some patches i've commented on QA, it must be short) 16:29 wizzyrea woot! 16:29 Oak wizzyrea++ 16:29 Oak jcamins++ 16:29 mgeist Very much yay! 16:28 jcamins Yay! 16:28 mgeist wizzyrea and jcamins thanks for the help with the script for fines. It did take care of our problem! 16:28 * jcamins waves to mgeist 16:28 jcamins paul_p: around? 16:27 Oak i'll install Linux on my new computer in few days... and probably go with Debian 16:26 Oak hmm 16:25 magnuse Oak: ubuntu for my desktop, debian for my servers 16:25 Oak magnuse: which os you use for your personal use? 16:24 Oak :) 16:24 magnuse yay! :-) 16:23 Oak magnuse 16:23 magnuse Oak 16:22 * Oak waves 16:13 gaetan_B bye ! 16:13 jcamins Just a thought. 16:13 jcamins It seems to me that C4::OAI::* should not be in opac/oai.pl. 15:47 eythian no problem 15:46 jcamins Thanks! 15:46 jcamins Woohoo! 15:45 eythian uploaded now 15:45 eythian uploading now 15:44 eythian oldstable|main|source: koha 3.6.6-1 <-- jcamins 15:29 jcamins That's what I needed. 15:28 jcamins git add -p 15:28 eythian http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2008/1/28/626744 15:28 eythian apparently lets you do it piece by piece 15:27 eythian also, "stage hunk for commit" in git-gui 15:27 jcamins Thanks. 15:27 jcamins Nifty! 15:27 jcamins Ah. 15:26 eythian http://clalance.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/splitting-patches-with-git.html <-- this maybe 15:25 * eythian looks 15:25 eythian I don't know what it is that. 15:25 eythian jcamins: I think there is something that makes that reasonably easy 15:24 jcamins Squash, then git reset --soft, then do one commit at a time? 15:24 jcamins What's the easiest way to do this? 15:24 jcamins Hrm. I need to turn two git commits into four, where parts of both existing commits will be incorporated into all four. 15:23 smeagol thanks 15:14 eythian Not that I'm aware of, though it might well be an easy thing to do. 15:07 smeagol eythian: yes and no, using koha check-in is too slow for us, using the cron was better. I wonder if a syspref can be made? 15:04 * jcamins adds that to his to-do list. 15:03 jcamins Oh, I guess I need to add those various solr modules to my apt repo, don't I? 15:02 reiveune bye 15:00 jcamins smeagol: I don't use 3.8, and don't do anything with fines, so I don't know much about it. 15:00 eythian smeagol: wouldn't a better solution be to get the dropbox mode bug fixed? 14:59 jcamins Yes please! 14:59 eythian oh hey, 3.6.6, I suppose I should make packages. 14:59 smeagol jcamin: the reason i asked is because we have quite a few returns to process (esp on weekends), and it is much faster to checkin using our self-check acs (sip) than using dropbox mode, which has a bug, and if we set our fines cron to run at noon, those items checked in from the night before won't get a fine. 14:56 jcamins Is it ever! 14:56 eythian though I suppose fines being time-based, that's really a separate thing 14:55 eythian the whole accounts system is quite a mess. 14:54 jcamins smeagol: so that patrons can see an estimate of how much is on their account. 14:52 smeagol jcamins:if koha calculates fines upon checking, then what is the purpose of the fines.pl cron? 14:46 jcamins smeagol: there is no way to turn it off as far as I know. 14:46 mtj problem solved! :) 14:45 mtj ... work out all the glitchy chars in the file, and use eythian's regex script to remove them 14:44 eythian I don't think you can escape dec directly into a regex, it's either octal or hex. 14:44 mtj so yeah... run xmllint on your marcxml file 14:44 smeagol Hi all, Is there a way around "Instant Fine Calculation at Checkin" in Koha 3.8? Is there a syspref, or a way to turn this off. This is a big problem for us, unfortunately. 14:43 mtj yep, 24 is oct 14:43 mtj -> http://www.asciitable.com/ 14:43 mtj oops, wrong column :p 14:43 eythian mtj: if 20 is decimal, the hex is 14 14:43 mtj i couldnt work out how to do a regex using the dec value, so had to convert it to hex.. :/ 14:42 mtj no -- 20 is the decimal value for that ascii char, 24 is the hex value.. 14:42 eythian heh worth keeping in mind :) 14:41 mtj ...turns out the '20' is ascii... :) so a s/\x24//g regex removes those chars 14:41 jcamins lol 14:41 eythian or at least parse. 14:41 eythian it's one I wrote to munge the mark-8, latin-1, and vt100 (not kidding) I found in some source data into something that would hopefully look right. 14:40 jcamins Thanks. 14:40 jcamins Ah. 14:40 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/clean_elm.pl;h=2fecb69125e5d18d7b1cec76ca308c9a2cf3a6e9;hb=907aebc1282f6a2d2485c6206f56145fe548cd50 <-- this script 14:40 jcamins Which script is this? 14:40 eythian yeah, character encoding is hard, and many apps just ignore it. 14:39 jcamins Yikes. 14:39 jcamins Ah. 14:39 mtj those horrible errors when handling marcxml, like 'parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 20!' 14:37 * jcamins is nosy. 14:37 jcamins :) 14:37 jcamins What was wrong with the .mrc file, and what script? 14:37 mtj its something i'm gonna bookmark :) 14:37 eythian oarsome 14:36 mtj eythian: i fixed my glitchy .mrc file, using your script 14:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC 14:28 jcamins paul_p: about bug 8205: did my response satisfy your concerns? 14:21 jcamins Thanks. 14:21 eythian pwgen 14:21 eythian I've tried to get Debian/HURD working, to no avail. 14:21 jcamins How do I get those nice pronounceable passwords? 14:20 jcamins Ah. I'd been getting that sense. Actually, I was thinking of trying out Debian/kFreeBSD for that reason. 14:19 Oak kia ora #koha 14:19 eythian jails are a lot more flexible than chroots. 14:19 eythian oh, it's not afaik 14:19 jcamins I presumed it was the same with chroot. 14:19 jcamins eythian: well, with jails it's possible to decide whether to translate the symlink before or after the chroot, I believe. 14:16 eythian chroot has options? 14:15 jcamins And if you used those symlinks in your chroot, you could end up with some very peculiar errors, depending on the options used for the chroot. 14:15 jcamins Right. 14:15 eythian and be rarely used. 14:14 eythian But, it's likely to trip things up 14:14 eythian so that all your config is in one place. 14:14 eythian well, you could use symlinks from /etc/koha/sites/instance to /var/lib/koha/instance/config or some such 14:13 jcamins It seems a shame to use a half dozen mounts, but it seems even more problematic to use symlinks. 14:12 jcamins Oh, no. 14:12 jcamins I mean, I guess you could do symlinks, but, ugh. 14:12 eythian I thought you meant to consolidate things. 14:12 jcamins Right. 14:12 eythian yeah 14:12 eythian ohh, in a chroot 14:11 jcamins eythian: what do you mean? I was thinking mount --bind /var/lib/koha/site /var/lib/koha && mount --bind /var/log/koha/site /var/log/koha etc. 14:08 eythian s/interface/instance/ 14:07 eythian no, I don't think mounting a filesystem per interface is a necessary idea in a world with symlinks :) 14:07 jcamins But, then again, maybe not. 14:07 jcamins I'm thinking mount --bind might be the way to go. 14:06 eythian I can see how to do it, I just don't know that I like it :) 14:06 jcamins eythian: I like the idea, I didn't say I saw how to do it. 14:05 sekjal howdy, magnuse! 14:05 eythian I'm not terribly sure about it. 14:05 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 14:05 magnuse hehe 14:05 jcamins But I like the idea. :) 14:04 jcamins magnuse: that's my gut feeling too. 14:04 magnuse my gut feeling is that that will violate debian rules/guidelines? 14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8310 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , All parts an instance should be under one path 14:00 jcamins Ooh, I like bug 8310. 13:57 jcamins Bad luck, mostly. 13:57 jcamins [off] See above about cowboys. 13:57 * jcamins has a theory. 13:57 eythian I wonder how you'd even do that 13:57 eythian ah right 13:56 jcamins A couple of database revisions were missed back in 3.01. 13:55 jcamins [off] Don't let cowboys set up Koha. 13:54 eythian and the solution to the mystery for when the next person has it is: 13:49 jcamins Mystery solved. 13:49 jcamins Never mind. 13:46 jcamins Anyone recall any bug reports about serials not working? 13:46 jcamins No, not the user. 13:42 wizzyrea thanks :) 13:41 jcamins If anyone else has had problems, though, I'd be interested in hearing about them. :) 13:40 jcamins Oh, this may be because I'm currently logged in as the administrative user, having forgotten to log back in as my own user. 13:40 * magnuse sends wizzyrea some ice cubes 13:39 jcamins Has anyone encountered a bug which prevents subscriptions from being created? 13:39 jcamins Odd... 13:36 eythian and they are listed in .git/packed-refs 13:36 wizzyrea chairman wow. gonna be a hot one. 13:36 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.2°C (8:35 AM CDT on June 25, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 1 PM this afternoon to 8 PM CDT this evening... 13:36 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, KS 13:36 jcamins That would make sense. 13:36 eythian that appears to be the case 13:35 * eythian runs git gc to test this 13:34 eythian I suspect what happens is that they go into packed-refs when a cleanup happens 13:34 eythian there is no such thing as .git/info/refs in my repo 13:34 jcamins magnuse: of course! 13:33 magnuse well, git/refs/tags would be a really boring location for tags, wouldn't it? 13:32 jcamins git/refs/tags is for tags that you have used, I think. 13:31 jcamins Yeah, that's where they are. 13:31 jcamins .git/info/refs? 13:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation 13:31 magnuse paul_p++ for digging into bug 8309 13:29 eythian but that doesn't explain why they aren't in .git/refs/tags 13:29 eythian that's correct 13:28 * jcamins thinks you do git rebase v3.06.01, but might be wrong. 13:28 jcamins Ah. 13:28 eythian trying to find an old tagged version so I can rebase -i something against it. But at the same time improve my understanding of how git operates with tags. 13:27 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 13:27 jcamins The first question? 13:27 jcamins http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=tag;h=7ea98159535bf9214659df61f5ce4054658f5a88 13:27 eythian but it's not in .git/refs/tags 13:27 eythian hmm, git can see it 13:27 jcamins I have it. 13:26 eythian v3.06.01, for example 13:26 jcamins eythian: what old tags? 13:26 eythian where are all the old tags in the repo? Are they getting deleted or something? 13:24 jcamins Not me. 13:24 vfernandes hummm ok.. Has anyone used MARConvert? 13:23 jcamins vfernandes: no. 13:22 eythian (apologies to everyone in France in advance) 13:22 eythian on the other hand, I suppose I can finally use the shorts I brought. 13:22 vfernandes is there any recommended tool to convert MARC21 record to UNIMARC? 13:22 eythian I suspect I'll just have to get used to it :) 13:21 eythian heh 13:21 paul_p eythian you wan't to cancel your coming ? :D :D 13:21 eythian so it'll be a bit of an adjustment then :) 13:21 eythian I don't think it's hit 20 since I've been here. 13:21 eythian oh dear :) 13:21 paul_p eythian why isn't it normal ? It's a perfectly common weather in june here ! 13:21 jcamins Actually, it's gotten a lot brighter in the last fifteen minutes. 13:20 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 13:20 magnuse @wunder boo 13:20 jcamins "Overcast" = "almost pitch black" today. ;) 13:20 eythian that's not normal! 13:20 eythian paul_p: 31! 13:20 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 19.4°C (8:42 AM EDT on June 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 13:20 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 31.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 25, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 13:20 jcamins @wunder 11375 13:20 paul_p @wunder Marseille, france 13:20 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 17.6°C (2:15 PM BST on June 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:20 paul_p jcamins = what do you mean "weather like here" ? 13:20 eythian @wunder brighton, uk 13:19 jcamins paul_p: sleeping, if the weather is anything like here. 13:19 paul_p #koha very quiet today... everybody hacking or sleeping ? that's the question :D 13:19 paul_p hi vfernandes 13:18 vfernandes hi Koha community :) 12:13 eythian np 12:13 jcamins Thanks. 12:13 jcamins eythian: yay! 12:13 eythian jcamins: oh, I had some questions for you about that bug I signed off, but I worked them out 11:52 magnuse hehe 11:47 jcamins It would've been released a lot earlier if I'd remembered that I didn't have access to download.k-c.org. 11:47 jcamins magnuse: thanks! 11:46 magnuse congrats on 3.6.6 jcamins! 11:46 jcamins eythian: I am now. 11:05 cait-m__ :-) 11:05 cait-m__ hi drojf 11:05 drojf hi cait-m__ 11:04 drojf "Hope our developers can do it!" :D 10:58 huginn cait-m__: The current temperature in Berglern, Mitterlern, Germany is 13.8°C (12:15 PM CEST on June 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 10:58 cait-m__ @wunder hallbergmoos 10:57 huginn cait-m__: Error: No such location could be found. 10:57 cait-m__ @wunder munich 10:56 cait-m__ hi eythian 10:55 eythian hi cait-m__ 10:52 cait-m__ hi #koha 10:37 eythian jcamins_away: you around? 09:45 mtj yes, its an awesome start 09:43 eythian there are a number of characters not dealt with in there because they weren't in the data I used. 09:43 eythian good start :) 09:43 mtj eythian: the script did some good - 256 invaild-char errors, to 32 :) 09:40 eythian OK thought so 09:40 rangi not without doing ccl= 09:40 eythian (but someone on the list claimed it does) 09:39 eythian does koha search handle "quoted phrases" and +with -without type things? I thought it didn't. 09:36 mtj yep, im using that, and getting some good error msgs 09:34 eythian xmllint --noout is useful for checking to see if files are syntactically correct, too 09:33 mtj ta eythian , ill give that a hoon now 09:26 eythian (or at least, the characters I could find in a file I was converting) 09:26 eythian it attempts to convert latin-1 and marc-8 to utf-8 09:25 eythian it might help if you were to run it over a marcxml file 09:25 eythian http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=import/csv/clean_elm.pl;h=2fecb69125e5d18d7b1cec76ca308c9a2cf3a6e9;hb=907aebc1282f6a2d2485c6206f56145fe548cd50 <-- this does a best-effort to clean up bad encoding to make things legit XML. 09:25 mtj xml looks to be a bit saner 09:24 mtj i'm attempting stripping methods, using both formats 09:23 mtj either/or in my situ... 09:23 eythian mtj: is in binary marc or marcxml? 09:12 mtj characters that might cause a record to be skipped, during an import 09:11 mtj does anyone have a good method from removing non-utf chars from a .mrc file? 09:09 * mveron ...has to go 09:09 mtj tho... at the time, it sure was better than nothing 09:07 mtj eythian: i agree (of course) 09:05 mtj [off] for teh curious -> http://www.vkta.cz/LANius/diskety/0OSTATNI/3M/ 08:58 eythian also: then we wouldn't need a windows vm 08:58 eythian We'd be better off writing our own I'd expect. 08:57 mtj but, having just said that.. the 3m emulator is pretty stupid and limited :/ 08:55 mtj i have it running in a win32 vm, sometimes for testing sip2 stufff 08:55 mtj re: sip2 - there is a sip2 emulator from 3m, that does that, afaik 08:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8301 enhancement, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Display additional system information (preferences) on About page to minimize support cases 08:53 * rangi decides to test bug 8301 instead 08:52 rangi the upshot is, I couldnt make the change I wanted anyway :) 08:47 eythian ah right 08:47 mbalmer hmm, maybe we could provide a virtual selfcheck that uses SIP to connect to your installation (SIP2 web client) 08:47 rangi in C4/SIP/t/ 08:47 rangi they work well enough, as long as you set up your db 08:47 rangi we have lots of tests 08:45 eythian (in the long run, anyway) 08:45 eythian could be worth scripting up a test-case like thing that talks SIP2 that test cases can be plugged into. 08:44 drojf1 d'oh 08:42 rangi pretty much yeah 08:42 mbalmer rangi, lack of a client software? 08:41 wahanui what's up, eythian 08:41 eythian wahanui: hi 08:39 drojf heh. hi rangi 08:39 rangi man SIP2 is a pita to test 08:37 drojf mveron: i would say yes. people could still put in comments if they have more ideas of tests, but it would be nice to have it in the next version 08:32 mveron Should I switch it to "Needs Sign off" ? 08:31 mveron Thanks, magnuse and jcamins :-) 08:31 magnuse jcamins++ for 3.6.6 08:30 magnuse mveron++ that looks excellent 08:16 drojf would prefer to work on video streaming 08:15 drojf yes :( 08:15 mveron There is a world outside koha? :-) 08:14 drojf unfortunately no time to test it now, have to do non-koha things today 08:14 drojf mveron++ #cool! 08:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8301 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Display additional system information (preferences) on About page to minimize support cases 08:12 mveron drojf: Hi drojf, I implemented an additional test "Zebra server runing" in Bug 8301 08:07 magnuse hiya drojf 08:07 drojf hei magnuse 08:05 * magnuse waves 08:02 clrh jcamins_away: thanks for your mail about integration tests, I'll try to try it this week and answer you after 08:01 drojf good day #koha 07:46 paul_p good morning #koha 07:21 wahanui privet, clrh 07:21 clrh hello 07:14 hdl hi 07:13 mbalmer morning, mveron 07:13 mveron Hi mbalmer 07:06 ropuch Hello [; 07:06 gaetan_B hello :) 07:05 ropuch (I'm using english template, so it's not related to corrupt translation) 07:04 ropuch finishreceive.pl: Use of uninitialized value $error_url_str in concatenation (.) or string at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/finishreceive.pl line 104. 07:04 ropuch finishreceive.pl: Use of uninitialized value $origquantityrec in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui/finishreceive.pl line 60. 07:04 ropuch I'm back to basket list with no item received and in koha-error-log there is: 07:03 ropuch I can't receive an item - after filling the fields in Home › Acquisitions › Vendor › Receive items from and clicking Save 07:02 ropuch I have a problem with aqui module in 3.8.2 07:01 ropuch Mornig #koha 07:01 * mveron says "Good Morning #Koha " 07:01 wahanui salut, reiveune 07:01 reiveune hello 06:58 matts hi ! 06:23 cait bonjour alex_a 06:23 alex_a bonjour #koha 05:53 cait and all you need to use it is a class I think 05:53 cait the new calendar with jquery ui is pretty nice 05:52 cait yeah an I think it's no longer supported or somethin 05:49 mtj oh ok, dynarch is the name of the date widget we've had for ever... 05:48 mtj aaah, i thought we were switch to dynarch dates, not from :) 05:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace DynArch calendar widget with jQueryUI version 05:44 cait bug 8181 05:43 wahanui somebody said oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer 05:43 cait oleonard 05:43 cait mtj: there is already apatch from owen :) 05:43 cait mtj: I think jquery ui 05:43 mtj and.. whats the new date widget Koha is switching to? 05:42 mtj ta rangi 05:25 wahanui On the wiki is probably more information about the packages 05:25 rangi On the wiki 05:25 rangi But if search coding standards or guidelines I think you will find the page about those 05:24 rangi Theres no real rules, there's the coding guidelines. Qa should of course being testing for regressions too. Not just coding standards I think sekjal wrote a mail about it 05:12 mtj anyone know where the qa rules are on the wiki?