Time Nick Message 23:42 rangi yep, hopefully they will come around 23:41 drojf still i think it's sad that he can announce on the list and not even answer. not to say anything about taking all things koha and not caring about offering own developments back 23:39 drojf nice! 23:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags 23:39 rangi bug 5858 23:39 rangi i did pull their marc update out of the tarball and made it into a patch tho 23:38 rangi but its old 23:38 rangi http://git.berlios.de/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=kobli;a=summary 23:38 rangi http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kobli/ 23:38 rangi i found this 23:37 drojf exactly 23:37 rangi yeah 23:37 drojf he announced 1.8 on the main list. jared asked for the repos because the developer links on their site are broken 23:37 rangi oh no answer to jareds email? 23:36 rangi hmm? 23:36 drojf seems like domingo is still searching the kobli git repository :( 23:06 cait maybe 23:05 rangi maybe i write patches when im asleep 23:05 cait fix to an old updatedatabase 23:05 cait it was very old 23:04 rangi wow i have no recollection of bug 6931 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6496 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Pushed to Master , authors appearing incorrectly in OPAC and Staff Client 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , hardcoded insert incompatible with UNIMARC 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Budget Search Doesn't Work 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , installer and language 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7726 trivial, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout has columns in wrong order in sysprefs.sql 23:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6267 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7950 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Typo for preference intranetuserjs 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Stable , clear screen button misaligned 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3337 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , RSS link is not correct 23:03 rangi kablam! 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7845 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 23:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Update 3.6.6 release notes 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7833 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , unique holiday link broken 23:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6496 - correct the order of the author display in the OPAC 23:03 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 6496 - tidy the display of 710 fields on XSLT 23:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 3969 follow-up = budget name field is budget_name, not name 23:03 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6931 : Only update frameworks for the correct marcflavour 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7922 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Fixing typos and improving translations in German sample data 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3969: Budget search in acquisition does't work (search) 23:03 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 1577 - update INSTALL to mention need to translate templates 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7354 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Can't edit local use system preferences 23:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7726: explanation and options that were in the wrong order 23:03 jenkins_koha * mjr: Bug 6267 custom http user-agent in check-url.pl (fix for books.google.com 401 error) 23:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7950 - Typo for preference intranetuserjs 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7927 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , library not showing on subscription full history anymore 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7528 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , amount subtracting 1 cent 23:03 jenkins_koha * gaetan.boisson: Bug 7693 - clear screen button misaligned 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3337 - RSS link is not correct for searches without results 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7845: Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7833 - unique holiday link broken 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7922: Fixing typo in German sample news 23:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7016 blocker, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, CanBookBeReserved uses GetItemsInfo unnecessarily 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7354: Can't edit local use system preferences 23:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7927 - library not showing on subscription full history anymore 23:03 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 7528 - amount subtracting 1 cent 23:03 jenkins_koha * gmc: bug 7016 further followup: clarify return of GetItemnumbersForBiblio 23:03 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 7016 Followup: Add new GetItemnumberForBiblio subroutine 23:03 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #52: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/52/ 22:49 rangi no worries 22:49 bshum rangi: Off to dinner for now, but thanks for walking me through the basics! 22:37 rangi jeff: its the ones that do it with a huge cc list that are super special :) 22:37 rangi i wonder does it ever work? 22:36 jeff mild annoyance, nothing more. :-) 22:36 * jeff shrugs 22:36 jeff then there are the vendors who get a list of conference attendees and spam it year after year, or send to the entire attendee list from the context of "thanks for visiting our booth at" 22:36 rangi yeah 22:35 jeff most library vendors send out conference-related newsletters / etc leading up to a conference, mostly to their entire customer list, sometimes combined with their "has ever asked us about any of our products" lists. 22:35 rangi ohh, for ones in las vegas? 22:35 jcamins I get spam from conferences I have never gone to! 22:35 rangi i mostly only go to tech and library ones, and the tech ones are floss ones .. 22:34 jcamins I get a ton of spam from non-library conferences too. 22:34 * jeff nods 22:34 rangi jeff: it seems to be a library conference thing, i get spam from all the conferences 22:33 jcamins I expect I'll do even better with sign-offs on 3.6.6... 22:32 rangi heh 22:32 jeff "i didn't go to ala therefore all i got was all the vendor ala spam in my inbox" 22:32 jcamins Looks like I did pretty well on signoffs. 22:32 bshum Indeed, I don't know how hot it is over there, but I suspect I wouldn't enjoy it. 22:32 rangi its a mixture of both 22:32 rangi i think both work :) 22:31 bshum Erm… "un"fortunately? 22:31 rangi heh 22:31 bshum rangi: Fortunately not. 22:31 rangi bshum: are you going to ALA ? 22:31 jcamins Huh. That actually was faster. Cool! 22:30 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/06/22/koha-3-8-2-released-and-statistics/ 22:30 rangi awesome :) 22:29 bshum rangi: Neat, thanks for the pointers! I'm toying with the idea of setting something like that up for our Evergreen channel. 22:29 * jcamins tries the faster dependency resolver. 22:28 rangi jcamins: nice! 22:28 rangi a reboot cleans them all up :) 22:28 rangi by default it sticks them as txt files in /tmp 22:28 jcamins Woohoo! I managed to install my package signing key into pbuilder! 22:25 bshum Do you do alot of maintenance or cleanup of old pastes? Or I imagine it's all reasonably minor anyways. 22:24 bshum Very nice. 22:24 rangi but yeah it pretty much just works 22:24 bshum Hehe 22:24 rangi altho i undid all that the other day by accident :) 22:23 rangi what we have done is poke the template files too, to add the koha logo etc 22:23 bshum Aha, neat. 22:23 rangi and the README is good 22:22 rangi is pretty much all there is to it, clone that 22:22 rangi github.com/rcaputo/bot-pastebot.git 22:21 rangi :) 22:21 rangi bshum: you about? 22:21 bshum rangi: I'm around. 22:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #52 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:17 jcamins Oh well. 22:17 jcamins I didn't have time to remove zebraqueue_daemon. 22:16 jcamins Yup. 22:14 rangi jcamins: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/3.6.x that right? 22:09 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.8.2 22:09 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Koha 3.8.2 Translation Update 22:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #63: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/63/ 22:09 rangi yep thats part of what gc does 22:09 rangi ah :) 22:09 rangi push appeared to have worked tho 22:09 jcamins It said "Run git prune," so I did. 22:09 rangi maybe do a git gc ? 22:08 jcamins That's what git says when I push to git.koha-community.org 22:08 rangi hmm? 22:07 jcamins That does not make one feel confident. 22:07 jcamins There are too many unreachable loose objects. 22:06 * jcamins does so. 22:06 jcamins I need to push 3.6.x 22:06 jcamins Oh, that reminds me. 22:06 jcamins rangi++ 22:06 jcamins Woohoo! 22:05 rangi http://koha-community.org/ 21:55 rangi will do the release notes now 21:55 rangi cool 21:45 cait rangi++ even :) 21:45 cait rangi+ 21:44 mtj and... thank you! :) 21:42 mtj rangi: files look good to me 21:41 wizzyrea teh googlez, I mean. 21:41 wizzyrea that is to say, I never got an answer from them 21:40 wizzyrea dk if it had any effect but we were gone, then 3 days later we were #2 21:40 wizzyrea lots of search changes, plus I explicitly told google that we were "official" for koha 21:39 rangi if anyone has time to download and do a quick check the file looks ok? 21:39 mtj ..and its not soooo sudden :) 21:38 rangi http://download.koha-community.org/ 21:38 mtj cait: coz..many search changes at google lately 21:37 mtj cjh: google does not 'know' who i am, ie: i dont sign-in to google when searching 21:37 cait why did we get a better ranking so suddenly now? 21:35 cjh I thought google changed your results based on what you accessed, I visit kc.org daily and have gone to the bad koha once... 21:35 mtj tis for me :) 21:35 cjh for me its not :( 21:35 mtj cjh: yep 21:34 cjh mtj: do you mean searching for 'koha'? 21:33 mtj number 1 in google.nz results... with FF now 21:32 mtj wizzyrea++ 21:32 * wizzyrea is glad we are #2 now 21:32 wizzyrea :D 21:31 mtj ... speshly since kc.org is now 'official' :) 21:30 mtj amen wiz 21:30 wizzyrea well we haven't had one of those in a while 21:30 * mtj boogles at what a 'liblime 1.4.5' system is... 21:28 Justinb :P 21:28 Justinb :) 21:28 Justinb bye 21:28 cait cool :) 21:28 Justinb I will try normal koha! 21:28 Justinb thank you for all your help!!!! 21:28 Justinb Sorry, gotta go (11.10) 21:28 cait I am using ubuntu too, should work nicely 21:27 Justinb Ubuntu 11.11 21:27 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 21:27 wahanui well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 21:27 cait packages? 21:27 cait yes you do, but there are packages 21:27 Justinb I am using Ubuntu 21:26 Justinb do u still need Zebra, Yaz, MySQL, and all that other stuff for normal koha? 21:26 cait which os are you using? 21:26 Justinb yes. 21:26 cait Justinb: and when you run into probloems.. there will always be someone around to help 21:26 wahanui i guess question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" 21:26 Justinb Question... 21:25 schuster for Koha... 21:25 Justinb :) 21:25 schuster Yes... There is no help there for it where here there is.. 21:25 rangi :) 21:25 Justinb thanks, i will try normal koha 21:25 rangi we can, thats why we don't use it 21:25 Justinb can u believe that? 21:25 schuster I just migrated away from that code back to the true Koha... 21:25 Justinb took me three days to install the other one! 21:25 cait and it's probably a lot easier to install 21:24 cait when you still can I would give it a thought 21:24 Justinb nah 21:24 schuster Start OVER! 21:24 Justinb haha 21:24 Justinb oh. 21:24 schuster LibLime - back away from the computer... 21:24 rangi http://www.koha-community.org/ <-- is the real website, the other is solely controlled by liblime and used entirely to advertise their fork 21:24 Justinb the non-liblime koha 21:24 cait You can download koha from here koha-community.org 21:24 Justinb here is link: www.koha.org 21:23 cait Justinb: what did yo not find? 21:23 Justinb in fact, i couldn't find it on the website! 21:23 rangi no we prefer using actual Koha 21:23 Justinb darn. You should try liblime. I have never used this program before, and it was quite difficult to install, but i am glad i have it now. since ive never tried the normal koha, i dont know anything about it 21:21 Justinb dont think it has anything to do w/ the liblime part of it 21:21 rangi we don't know, no one here uses the liblime fork 21:21 Justinb how do i change that? 21:21 Justinb whenever i check out a book out it charges the patron 5.00 21:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:20 rangi ahh, sorry this channel is for Koha (from http://koha-community.org) we can't help you with the liblime fork 21:19 Justinb i'm trying to change my liblime koha 1.4.5 system 21:18 Justinb k 21:18 Justinb o 21:18 rangi wahanui is a bot 21:18 Justinb im ok w/ english 21:17 wahanui hola, Justinb 21:17 Justinb hi 21:17 rangi hi Justinb 21:17 * rangi fixes 21:17 rangi oh damnit i pushed the wrong tag 21:15 rangi hmm 21:15 schuster nope still outputting errors. 21:14 rangi worth a crack nigel 21:14 schuster hm that is already set. I'll undo it and redo it and see if that helps. 21:13 rangi try checking en in there it might make it go away 21:13 rangi and the i18n/l10n tab 21:12 schuster Ah thanks! 21:12 schuster I'm not seeing this in the bugs so wasn't sure if it is unique to me or not. 21:12 rangi look in systempreferences 21:12 rangi seems like you have no language preference set 21:12 pastebot "schuster" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "errors in the koha-opac-error_log" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/3 21:12 schuster Howdy all. I was looking at my logs on our new installation as of June 6th and found tons of errors in the koha-opac-error_log I'm pasting 2 lines that seem to continue to generate 21:07 rangi fredericd++ # i love how the pull requests always just work! 21:03 rangi http://www.esilibrary.com/esi/newsitem.php?id=2193 21:03 rangi equinox++ 21:00 rangi heh 21:00 drojf duckduckgo asks testers about relevancy. excellent. time to talk about the ranking of koha vs. the fork again 20:59 drojf rangi++ #yeah new koha 20:53 * rangi starts work on release notes 20:52 drojf ;) 20:52 drojf forgot to ask about the os though. we'll keep him busy ;( 20:51 rangi drojf++ #a good question 20:50 rangi heh 20:49 kathryn hehe, no. 20:49 cait hope no more soup accidents? 20:49 * cait waves to kathryn :) 20:49 * kathryn waves to cait 20:48 kathryn hi all 20:43 rangi back 20:37 rangi Bbiab 20:37 rangi Autocorrect must die 20:33 rangi Brian 20:32 oleonard See you later #koha 20:30 rangi Sometime yes :-) 20:29 cait :) 20:29 cait rangi: you will go back to get more? 20:25 rangi slef: tried the gorge best last night I like it 20:23 rangi I'll have to do more duolingo.com 20:22 cait perhaps better try French with fredericd? 20:22 rangi Dang 20:22 cait dem Mann heh 20:21 rangi Is that right? 20:21 rangi Ich danke der Mann 20:20 cait fingers crossed 20:20 cait and hopefully all errors fixed too 20:20 rangi German_translators++ 20:19 rangi And yay mveron 20:19 rangi fredericd++ 20:18 rangi Ohh pull request from fredericd 20:17 cait morning rangi :) 20:17 drojf good morning rangi 20:11 rangi Had 3 guide dogs on yesterday 20:11 rangi Off to the vet cat 20:10 wizzyrea i can has no more phone ringing plz kthx 20:10 oleonard A hep cat? 20:09 rangi Hmm a cat on the bus today 20:03 rangi Morning 19:50 jcamins_away Well, last week. 19:50 jcamins_away Yeah, though I it was a while ago. 19:47 wajasu so you got koha-common installed under proot? 19:46 jcamins_away Probably has to do with needing something special with Arch. 19:45 wajasu i ran proot, and whn i installed koha-common, and mysql-server was installed, it hung. now my host OS is archlinux. 19:44 jcamins_away wajasu: I don't think I had to do anything special to get it working. I think it pretty much just worked right off. 19:44 jcamins_away As releases near, RMs and RMaints get a lot more conservative about what they push, usually. 19:43 wajasu jcamins: with proot, i couldn't figure out how to get mysql-server to install, since its post_install script hang stopping the mysql server. 19:41 wajasu i won't lookk at sbuild. 19:41 drojf or just stay ;) 19:41 drojf come back if you have problems 19:41 jcamins_away But you have to get your patches signed off and QAed, and everything, so you should plan to submit everything ASAP. 19:41 drojf ger: good luck 19:41 wajasu ok that works. 19:41 jcamins_away Minor monthly. 19:41 ger thks for the help!!! :) 19:41 jcamins_away April/October. 19:41 jcamins_away Major releases are once every six months. 19:41 jcamins_away wajasu: there is somewhere, but basically the 22nd and 23rd of the month. 19:41 ger ok i gonna try 19:40 wajasu is there any place/page someone declares the target release dates? 19:40 drojf ger: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 19:40 jcamins_away ger: I would go with virtualization + Debian, definitely. 19:40 jcamins_away drojf: true. 19:39 ger maybe debian it's the best choice jeje 19:39 drojf jcamins_away: he would have 4.x otherwise i guess ;) 19:39 drojf or use a virtual machine and debian 19:39 jcamins_away ger: you know that the Koha website is koha-community.org, right? 19:38 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386 you could try this on centos 5.5 i guess 19:38 jcamins_away However, rangi introduced me to ssh-agent, which removes the need to enter my password over and over. 19:38 ger maybe i have to try the latest version 19:38 ger anyone knows an installation guide for the latest version of koha? 19:38 jcamins_away wajasu: also, I've decided I don't like sbuild. It is not nearly so contained as pbuilder. 19:38 jcamins_away :) 19:37 jcamins_away wajasu: you should submit patches against master. Right away. 19:37 drojf ger: you should try 3.6 or 3.8. take 3.8 if you don't plan to go live within the next weeks 19:37 wajasu maybe next time round. 19:36 jcamins_away wajasu: ca. six hours from now? 19:35 jcamins_away Sorry, larryb! 19:35 jcamins_away And larryb. 19:35 jcamins_away sekjal: I must have been thinking of Redhat. 19:35 sekjal and, ultimately, a no-go 19:35 sekjal it was horrible 19:35 wajasu when is 3.8.2 targetted. i want to patch and test some stuff 19:35 sekjal larryb worked on getting RedHat to work once 19:35 sekjal jcamins: mostly just do Debian and Ubuntu 19:35 wizzyrea ger why 3.0.0? Where did you get that? 19:35 jcamins_away sekjal: what OS was it you had tried, then? 19:35 drojf yes, 3.0 is two years old and not supported anymore 19:35 jcamins_away You should use one of those. 19:35 sekjal nope, never tried CentOS 19:34 drojf sounds fun :D 19:34 jcamins_away The current version of Koha is 3.8.1 (soon to be 3.8.2) or 3.6.5 (soon to be 3.6.6). 19:34 drojf omg 19:34 jcamins_away drojf: ask sekjal. I think he installed Koha under CentOS once. I believe every single system utility had to be replaced. 19:34 ger koha-3.00.00 19:33 drojf heh 19:33 jcamins_away I would consider running Debian under some sort of virtualization. Everything I know about Koha and CentOS has convinced me that it is not something I would want to try. 19:33 drojf and what version of koha did you install? 19:32 ger the reason that ihave centos its cos actuallity the server is in production, so i can't change de version of the OS, why i'll have a lot of problems with the other aplications 19:32 jcamins_away Sounds worth a try. 19:31 drojf there is a wiki page about 3.6 in centos 6.2 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386 19:30 drojf 6.3 is the latest according to wikipedia 19:30 jcamins_away (I hope I'm wrong, but modern CentOS versions are hairy) 19:30 drojf 5.5 i386, x86-64 5.5 2010-05-14 19:29 jcamins_away CentOS 5.5 is 2 years old? 19:29 jcamins_away Sounds like something wasn't installed properly. 19:29 jcamins_away Yikes. I'd say there is no way it's going to work. 19:29 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 19:29 jcamins_away first question? 19:29 jcamins_away There was someone else using CentOS recently. That person might know something about it. 19:29 drojf i dont know anything about centos, but is there a reason why you chose a version that is 2 years old to install? and what version of koha do you use? 19:28 ger closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 201. 19:27 ger losedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 201. 19:27 ger install.pl: Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 278. 19:27 ger the error_log of koha it returns me the following 19:25 ger im installed koha in centos 5.5 and when i enter in the intranet i get the follow error "Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 278." 19:24 oleonard Only if you ask the question ger! 19:23 ger is there anyone who can help me to an koha error? 19:07 jcamins_away (other than the obvious, it's too much trouble) 19:07 jcamins_away Incidentally, for those who are curious, there is not actually any reason that we couldn't put Zebra config files on /dev/shm, and modify them from staff client. 19:04 jcamins_away Nice! 19:04 jcamins_away (see what I did there?:) 19:04 jcamins_away I disagree strenuously with marcelr's assertion that we shouldn't be testing counterfactual conditions. 19:04 cait nice! 19:04 jcamins_away FWIW, I am still 1000% pro Test::MockModule. 19:04 sekjal oleonard: nice! 19:03 oleonard MARC preview with jQueryUI Dialog instead of Greybox: http://screencast.com/t/dxrfNoxVmkt 19:01 jcamins_away It seems to me that the for example would actually work with any version of Perl, with a very small modification. 19:00 sekjal now that we're minimum 5.10, I think it's available 18:59 jcamins_away I didn't realize there was a workaround to be able to use them already. 18:59 sekjal glad Perl is finally starting to get a handle on them 18:59 jcamins_away Me too. 18:59 sekjal I love switch statements 18:56 jcamins_away That for() block is brilliant. 18:56 jcamins_away Ooh. 18:55 sekjal given/when 18:55 sekjal http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Switch-Statements 18:55 jcamins_away Uhhh... 18:55 jcamins_away Unless there's a really super-compelling reason, like... 18:55 jcamins_away sekjal: uh, no. 18:55 sekjal should Koha use "highly experimental" Perl syntax? 18:18 cait hm 18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2866 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Filtering and sorting the overdue report using patron attributes 18:14 oleonard bug 2866: Overdues Reports - Upgrading to filter by patron extended attributes 18:14 cait thought we might find an explnation on the commit maybe 18:14 cait yeah 18:13 wizzyrea added the filters I mean 18:13 wizzyrea it would about have to be biblibre, I believe they did the dev that added that. 18:12 cait oleonard: can you see who added it with a git blame ? 18:11 nengard so ? wait a sec ? sounds like a bug to me 18:11 cait or even all and everything? 18:10 cait maybe it's supposed to show all items checked out by the user with overdues 18:10 cait I just had the same idea reading nengard's report 18:10 cait hah 18:08 oleonard Checking the box will show any item which matches the filter even if it's not overdue? 18:08 oleonard $strsth.=" AND date_due < '" . $todaysdate . "' " unless ($showall); 18:02 cait but I have to learn accounting :( have my exam tomorrow 18:02 cait I think the code would reveal it 17:55 nengard anyone else? should we remove it if it doesn't do anything? 17:55 nengard HA 17:53 cait no idea 17:48 nengard hence my confusion 17:48 nengard right 17:48 cait shouldn't tey all be checked out? 17:47 cait not sure actually :( 17:46 nengard it's one of the filters on the left 17:46 nengard can anyone tell me on this page: /cgi-bin/koha/circ/overdue.pl what does "Show any items currently checked out:" do? 17:46 nengard question about overdue report 17:38 cait hi drojf 17:34 drojf hi cait :) 17:29 * cait waves 17:11 Oak There but for the grace of you go I 17:11 Oak I know that I am like the rain / 17:11 Oak / Weave their weary paths and die / 17:11 Oak And as I watch the drops of rain 17:04 eythian I might go home or something 17:04 eythian email: sent 16:57 eythian Should probably also rename it to not have version numbers in the title... 16:56 eythian I really need to re-write that wiki page from scratch, it's getting a bit messy 16:54 drojf ah, right 16:53 eythian there were no packages for 3.0 16:53 drojf ? 16:53 drojf why doesn't 3.0 do that= 16:52 drojf :D 16:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.2_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- oh, here is where it starts 16:51 eythian ) 16:51 eythian (I don't know why it stops in the middle though 16:51 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze <-- for example 16:51 eythian drojf: no, every time it gets updated, I edit the 3.8 page and make it redirect to the new number :) 16:49 drojf or just put one on the 3.8 page when it's time and give new users a nice ride through koha history before they start 16:49 drojf now you have to maintain that page forever and fix the link every six months ;) 16:48 eythian I'm all about the art ;) 16:48 drojf eythian++ # it's beautiful ;) 16:47 eythian yeah. For now I just stuck a big bold message at the top of the page 16:46 drojf eythian: maybe we can have a "good old days" section or something for things like that. there may be a reason for someone to come back to look at this, i dont know. but it should not pop up in a search engine if someone wants to get koha in 2012 16:39 * eythian adds a warning 16:39 eythian at least without a warning 16:39 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.0_on_Debian_Lenny <-- this kind of thing shouldn't be on the wiki any more 16:35 drojf please do 16:34 eythian I might email an announcement that that repo exists. 16:32 eythian all uploaded. 16:32 jcamins_away eythian++ 16:31 eythian jcamins_away: oldstable|main|source: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl 0.03-1 16:30 kf bye all :) 16:22 gaetan_B bye ! 16:21 mtj ok, cool - i'm very happy to be wrong then :) 16:21 jcamins It means that you can choose to treat it as GPL2, or GPL3, or GPL4... 16:20 mtj i still don't quite understand that 'or later' part of the gpl... 16:16 mtj ok, chris.c said something similar when i asked him 16:15 eythian I think all of koha is "gpl2 or later" 16:14 mtj http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html 16:14 mtj whew, glad we got that sorted! 16:14 eythian then you say "koha is gpl3" and it magically is :) 16:13 mtj appartently so, bootstrap is apache2 license (which is incompatible with koha's gpl2 license?) :/ 16:12 eythian shouldn't be 16:12 oleonard mtj, what does gpl3 have to do with it? Are we incompatible? 16:11 oleonard http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/ 16:11 jcamins What is bootstrap? 16:10 oleonard ps-bug-8281-remove-yui-files-2012-06-21 16:10 oleonard :( 16:09 kf oleonard: wrong branch? ps-bug-8194-subscription-add-columns-2012-06-15 16:09 mtj i now have real-world reason to want koha upgraded to gpl3.... 16:08 mtj super easy, super fun :) 16:07 oleonard mtj: How'd you like working with bootstrap? 16:06 mveron It's the somewhat cumbersome translation work that makes me think :-) 16:05 mveron :-) 16:05 jcamins mveron++ # great minds think alike 16:04 mveron jcamins: We could even do something like a "lazy initialization". First time, Koha grabs the section (could even be online) , then put it in a database. Some Hash could make sure thatwe always have the newest version (or a button "get newset version"). The table could contain a field for private notes that are not affected by updates. 16:02 mtj [off] dancer+bootstrap beer.app -> http://kohaaloha.com:5000 16:00 mtj owen, nice one :) 15:59 jcamins mveron: exactly what I was thinking. 15:59 oleonard Just did :) 15:59 mtj oleonard: or push yr huge-patch to your github (or similar) and paste that url in the bug? 15:58 mveron jcamins: Could be some sections in the manual, something like "Quickhelp". If the whole manual is not translated, there could be at least a version just with the "Quickhelp". Koha then could grab those sections (defaulting to the original). 15:52 jcamins lol 15:51 * oleonard prints out his patch and snail-mails it to random Koha people hoping for a sign-off 15:51 jcamins I would like all the translations to come from the manual translations. 15:51 jcamins mveron: that was my thought. I just want to change the process for help files. 15:50 * mveron will try dive into the whole manual / help / trsnalation process to understand the status quo 15:50 mveron nengard, kf, jcamins, drojf, magnuse: I think we can implement something that does not really change the process for manual authoring.... 15:49 magnuse oleonard++ 15:48 oleonard Great, Bugzilla won't take it either. :( 15:47 jcamins Ouch. 15:47 jcamins 8MB of unneeded files? 15:47 oleonard All stuff we weren't using anyway 15:47 jcamins Wow! 15:47 oleonard Over 8 megabytes of YUI-killing goodness. 15:46 oleonard I guess attaching it to the bug will have to suffice. 15:46 oleonard Ooops, no it didn't. 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8281 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove unused YUI files 15:46 * oleonard hopes his patch for Bug 8281 made it through to the patches list 15:44 jcamins 3. Looking in C4/Search.pm around line 760, in sub _build_weighted_query. 15:43 trea roger that 15:43 jcamins 2. Strong liquor. 15:43 jcamins 1. Hazmat suit. 15:43 jcamins trea: I recommend the following: 15:43 trea are there any resources for showing how relevance works in koha? 15:42 jcamins But at least I know it's Armenian and not Georgian. I used to get the two alphabets confused, which was very embarrassing. 15:42 * jcamins doesn't know any Armenian. 15:41 oleonard Õ¿Õ 15:41 oleonard Õ«Õ 15:41 oleonard ՇÕ 15:41 jcamins That's quite a problem that just came across the list. 15:41 jcamins Um, wow. 15:15 francharb 0/ 15:13 * kf starts working on her next ticket, hiding behind it 15:13 kf wah 15:12 * jcamins panics. :D 15:12 kf I was only reading a blog post from anitsirk recently, where she said how the mahara community does translatable manuals 15:12 nengard hehe 15:11 kf nengard: not our wiki - it's a different softare. don't panic! 15:11 nengard oh god! the wiki would be horrible! 15:11 kf was only thinking a wiki might be easier for translators to work in - cooperatively - but I understand it would be hard to change now 15:11 jcamins That's what I thought. 15:10 nengard jcamins - yes I have all the IDs in there 15:10 * jcamins doesn't care what the format is. 15:10 nengard years ago 15:10 nengard when I learned it 15:10 nengard or so I was told 15:10 nengard and the community voted on docbook cause it was easy for translators 15:10 jcamins nengard: my thought was that we already have the needed context information in IDs (and if we are missing it a few places, we should add it), and then Koha could just extract the content from Docbook. 15:10 nengard and we have scripts in place to generate the html and ? all of it took forever to get in place 15:10 kf not rewriting anything 15:10 nengard and I don't want to transfer again - not when I finally have it down to a science 15:09 kf yeah, we would have to convert it 15:09 nengard transferring to docbook was a pain in the arse 15:09 kf I think mahara uses some kind of wiki - the syntax looks lots easier 15:09 kf nengard: perhaps there are nicer things than docbook 15:09 nengard what wouldn't make my life easier would be splitting the manual up in to multiple files or going away from docbook 15:08 jcamins Okay, that's what I thought. 15:07 nengard yes that would make my life easier 15:06 kf translators would love it :) 15:06 jcamins So you didn't have to copy it in before each release. 15:05 jcamins Would I be correct in thinking your life would be easier if the context sensitive help for Koha were pulled directly from the manual? 15:05 nengard yup? 15:05 jcamins nengard: I had a question for you. 15:04 julian_m i have to go, bye all! 15:01 julian_m not the same thing in fact, in_units is able to do some conversion, like years to months (always 12 months/year), or weeks to days (7days/week) but not months to days 15:01 reiveune1 bye$ 14:59 julian_m tcohen, i believe we're using $duration->in_units('days') which seems to be the same thing 14:58 julian_m hmm bad example, it doesn't use DateTime::Duration.. 14:57 tcohen yes, but rn't we trying to calculate fines using duration->days ? 14:57 julian_m tcohen, try this: perl -E 'use DateTime; my $dt = DateTime->now(); $dt->truncate(to => 'day'); say $dt->year . "-" . $dt->month . "-" . $dt->day . "T" . $dt->hour . ":" . $dt->minute . ":" . $dt->second . "Z";' 14:56 julian_m days return only the day part, month the month part, etc.. 14:55 tcohen $duration->days doesn't work? 14:55 * jcamins isn't an expert. 14:55 jcamins I think. 14:55 jcamins At least as a temporary fix. 14:55 julian_m tcohen, yes this should work, but we need a number of days :/ 14:55 * jcamins agrees with your suggestion. 14:55 jcamins Pfeh. 14:54 julian_m }, 'DateTime::Duration' ); 14:54 julian_m 'months' => 0 14:54 julian_m 'days' => 30, 14:54 julian_m 'nanoseconds' => 0, 14:54 julian_m 'end_of_month' => 'wrap', 14:54 julian_m 'minutes' => 1006, 14:54 julian_m 'seconds' => 22, 14:54 julian_m $VAR1 = bless( { 14:54 julian_m jcamins, Data::Dumper tell me that: 14:53 jcamins julian_m: and not the start and end dates? That doesn't seem very localizeable. 14:53 tcohen julian_m, but adding a duration to a date should work as expected 14:52 julian_m it contains only a number of years, months, days, ... 14:52 tcohen $dt->is_leap_year 14:52 julian_m DateTime maybe but not DateTime::Duration 14:52 magnuse nynorsk has its own translation, which noone is looking after at the moment 14:52 tcohen it does 14:52 jcamins julian_m: doesn't DateTime provide support for figuring out leap years? 14:51 tcohen i've just read it 14:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 14:51 julian_m tcohen, I wrote a comment on bug 8110, if you want to see... 14:50 kf ;) 14:50 jcamins Oops. 14:50 kf perhaps I should get myself one of those cryo tanks 14:49 kf jcamins: I have to wait for 3.6.6 until 20112? 14:49 kf jcamins: now I am sad 14:48 kf fixed 14:47 kf one error in 3.6.x staff 14:47 drojf oh nevermind, there is not much nynorsk atm it seems 14:47 kf oh 14:47 jcamins lol 14:46 drojf how does that work with the nynorsk translation? i think there are a lot of different forms too 14:46 mveron jcamins: No need for you :-) We won't understand :-) 14:46 kf you only hurt your throat 14:46 kf don't try 14:45 jcamins mveron: I don't know any German at all, and that word I can't even figure out how to pronounce! 14:44 kf I am checking 3.6.3 for errors now 14:44 kf ah 14:43 kf citing fredericd "For translators working like mad in order to improve their language support in coming Koha 3.8.2, you can work until 7pm UTC." 14:43 mveron Feufefüfzg is correct. For 55 14:43 jcamins Feufefuzg? 14:43 drojf :P 14:43 kf fredericd++ 14:43 drojf mveron: we don't need a swissgerman version 14:43 mveron drojf: ...in each of our dialects: Füfefufg, fünfefuzig, feufefuzg for 55 :-) 14:43 jcamins kf: drojf? ;) 14:42 kf drojf: but who will translate for us when mveron has his own verson? 14:42 drojf mveron: we need a swissgerman version 14:42 kf fair enough :) 14:42 kf heh 14:42 drojf heh 14:41 * mveron ...and introduces some helvetismes 14:41 kf 3.8 was the hard one and mveron did most of ti :) 14:41 kf were not many strings for 3.6.x 14:41 jcamins gaetan_B++ 14:41 jcamins drojf++ 14:41 jcamins mveron++ 14:41 jcamins kf++ 14:41 kf :P 14:40 jcamins :) 14:40 gaetan_B jcamins: i am double-checking what i have been doing right now and will send it in shortly ! 14:40 kf of course 14:40 jcamins kf: for 3.6.x, too? 14:40 kf jcamins: we have finished already. 14:40 jcamins gaetan_B: you too. 14:39 jcamins kf: mveron: drojf: I'm looking at you! 14:39 jcamins I guess I should send a message to koha-translate reminding you all that you have to finish before fredericd's close of business on Friday. 14:39 * jcamins tests 3.6.6. 14:38 tcohen i was just following Jonathan Druart advise to fix the truncate usage everywhere 14:37 tcohen grep -R 'truncate(' * | grep -v 'translator' | grep minute | grep 'truncate' 14:36 julian_m where do you see that? 14:36 julian_m tcohen, in fact i think it's C4::Overdues::_get_chargeable_units which return $duration->in_units('days') and it doesn't take months or years into account 14:35 tcohen truncate( to => 'minutes') 14:35 tcohen oh my... 14:34 tcohen (in fines.pl ?) 14:33 tcohen julian_m, which is the function that is failing? 14:31 tcohen so, fixing the truncate use ight have consequences 14:31 tcohen not sure as I've been out for a while 14:30 tcohen assuming truncation was working... 14:30 tcohen I think we fixed things in a higher level 14:29 julian_m tcohen, I'm testing truncate, it seems that "to => 'days'" dont' do anything and "to => 'day'" reset hour,minute and second to 0, so I don't understand why removing truncate from days_between fixed my problem... 14:16 tcohen maybe truncation was not working at all as ->truncate('days') was used instead of the documented ->trunctaion('day') 14:15 tcohen i'll re-read it 14:15 tcohen I don't understand why that would make the job 14:15 julian_m i don't know, maybe just replacing subtraction before truncation would suffice 14:14 tcohen maybe truncation should be removed ? 14:13 tcohen that's a patch I wrote 14:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 14:13 tcohen bug 8251 14:11 julian_m I think the problem was introduced by this commit c6f1f64cb71e9d8ec560a201a4a0bc16c1510f3f, subtraction is moved after truncation 14:10 tcohen if its being usend in that case 14:10 tcohen i would even add that hourly loans might make this messier 14:09 tcohen i was just guessing why it was truncated 14:09 tcohen of course 14:08 julian_m but the other parts have to be taken into account too 14:06 tcohen so who wrote the code wanted the day part to be taken into account 14:06 tcohen a date includes hour and minutes data 14:05 tcohen it has to do with how are dates substracted 14:04 julian_m removing the 2 calls to truncate seems to fix my problem 14:03 tcohen i can guess 14:03 julian_m tcohen, yes. do you know why dates are truncated? 14:02 jcamins Speaking of releasing things... 14:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fines accruing on closed days 14:01 tcohen julian_m: may we talk about bug 8110 14:01 mveron jcamins: ++ 14:00 jcamins Extract our context-sensitive help directly from the manual. 14:00 oleonard Kick sand in each other's faces? 14:00 * jcamins will ask nengard, but it seems to him that life would be much easier for the doc manager if everything did not have to be copied from the manual. 13:59 jcamins Actually- why *don't* we do that already? 13:56 jcamins Hehe. 13:56 * oleonard hopes she doesn't shout "Shut up, nerd!" and kick sand in jcamins' face 13:55 kf ooh :) 13:55 jcamins kf: that's what I meant I would persuade her to do. ;) 13:54 kf would need some pgoramming too :( 13:52 * jcamins will see if he can persuade Shari that this would be a good use of her time. 13:52 drojf heh 13:52 jcamins drojf++ # for having time to spare! :D 13:51 mveron +1 13:51 jcamins +1 13:50 magnuse +1 for ditching the help pages and integrating the manual! 13:50 drojf perhaps the manual could really be a start 13:49 drojf i would like more than a list. i have to think about that sometimes. i think i said that the last time already :/ 13:49 kf opac was ok :) 13:49 kf ok 13:48 drojf would be an excellent project for somebody with a lot of time to spare :D 13:48 kf I was joking :) 13:48 drojf marc records for translation? 13:48 kf marc records 13:48 kf or create mark records / authorities ;) 13:47 kf we could start a list on the wiki 13:47 kf this way we would have a complete manual and context help 13:47 drojf i wonder if it is possible to have some kind of dictionary/thesaurus for koha-librarianese that suggests translations based on context (module) 13:47 kf and koha would pull in sections from there 13:47 kf I think it would be better if we could translate the whole manual 13:47 kf most of the docs sound a bit weird 13:46 mveron kf and drojf: "...ein Suchfeld, wo Sie entweder eine Lieferanten- oder eine Bestellungssuche durchführen können." It is the only one i changed, as far as I remember 13:45 drojf had none of those strange ones 13:45 kf Koha › Administration › Budgets %s› %s Modify budget'%s' %s Add budget %s %s %s› Duplicate budget%s %s› Delete budget '%s'? %s %s› Data deleted %s 13:45 kf hm and something in here 13:45 kf %s No %sproperties%ssearch domain%s defined. - missing %s in translation 13:44 drojf haha i hoped you would not be able to see who did it :D 13:44 kf we only have to remember to check 13:44 kf heh, I don't see who did and it happens so easily 13:43 * drojf hopes he did not do them ;) 13:43 kf ok, I am trying to find the fatal errors now :) 13:43 mveron OK, I do a search on "Feld, wo" :-) 13:42 kf I have corrected one of those heh 13:42 kf ah yes 13:42 drojf "ein feld scheint auf" :D 13:42 drojf there were some things like that 13:42 kf I think "hochdeutsch" is in dem? 13:42 kf or maybe swiss :) 13:42 drojf yes 13:42 kf kinda swabian 13:42 drojf ein feld wo ist süddeutsch 13:42 kf hm sounds not right to me 13:42 drojf i think i need a standard version then 13:42 mveron kf: Ist das nicht besser? Ein Feld, wo ... eingegeben werden können 13:42 kf ok, now I got confused :) 13:41 kf Feld, wo? 13:41 mveron kf: I do a general search for things like "Feld, in dem..." to replace with "Feld, wo..." 13:41 kf ah 2 fatal errors 13:40 kf iterative... 13:40 kf and searching for the words in question 13:40 kf checking the pages after initial translation I think :( 13:40 drojf i wonder how we could make the translation more consistent 13:39 kf mveron: checking for syntax errors now :) 13:39 drojf oh it's done already? 13:37 ago43 mtj: about the fines doubling patch, Kyle wrote: It seems like a bad idea to try switching this one part of Koha back to just dates when we've moved forward to datetimes. I have a new patch ready that updates the old fine dates to datetimes instead. 13:36 mveron :-) 13:36 kf mveron++ drojf++ :) 13:17 tcohen a 13:17 tcohen hi #koh 13:13 jcamins (because you have two feet) 13:13 jcamins So I suppose you could get away with about 15 pedals. 13:13 jcamins There you go 31 different combinations of modifier keys. 13:12 wahanui 31 13:12 jcamins 5 + 10 + 10 + 5 + 1 13:09 * jcamins ponders. 13:09 mveron kf: I make a omnibus comment for the omnibus. :-) 13:09 jcamins The order doesn't matter. 13:09 jcamins No, that's not quite right. 13:08 jcamins eythian: but you can't press more than two pedals at a time, so you need... 5! 13:08 kf ah, my scrolling always breaks :( 13:08 kf mveron: yes, try typo omnibus 13:07 eythian only 5: escape, meta, alt, ctrl, shift 13:04 * oleonard pictures a pipe organ 13:04 jcamins eythian: you'd need about fifty pedals for Emacs. 13:04 mveron magnuse: Thanks, this time I bookmark them... 13:03 eythian jcamins: I could see it also being useful for emacs modifiers, if you swing that way 13:03 * jcamins must find a use for foot pedals in his computer usage. 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus 13:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7367 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General OPAC typo omnibus 13:02 magnuse mveron: bug 7367 and bug 7368 13:01 jcamins lol 13:01 mveron kf: Do we have a bug omnibus for typos found in the original text? 13:01 ropuch hehe 13:00 magnuse lol 13:00 eythian https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch <-- that is certainly something 12:59 eythian yeah, makes sense then why it'd not work 12:58 ropuch Yup, it's like "SELECT" and "SELECT DISTINCT" 12:55 jcamins It's a modifier to SELECT. 12:55 kf or how do you call those? 12:55 kf keyword? 12:55 eythian jcamins: that's probably the key point 12:55 kf correct 12:55 kf oh 12:54 jcamins DISTINCT isn't a function. 12:54 eythian kf: it's an error without the group by 12:54 kf I think both togehter don't work 12:54 martin_ oop. think i got the wrong end of that stick.. i'll leve the pro's to answer that one. 12:54 kf group by already gives you distinct 12:54 eythian but I still don't understand why the first is a syntax error 12:54 jcamins Yeah, distinct does not do what you think it does. 12:54 martin_ try select count(distinct(attribute)) from borrower_attributes where code='WARD' group by attribute; 12:54 kf select count(attribute), attribute 12:54 eythian that's what I actually want 12:54 eythian select count(attribute),attribute from borrower_attributes where code='WARD' group by attribute; 12:53 kf not ure you need the distinct 12:53 kf hm maybe count and distinct? 12:53 martin_ haha.. you just read my comment on the bug.. cheers jcamins 12:52 eythian why is that a syntax error? 12:52 eythian select count(attribute),distinct(attribute) from borrower_attributes where code='WARD' group by attribute; 12:52 jcamins martin_: if you look in kohaclone/etc/zebradb, you'll find the files that get installed. 12:46 kf fredericd: same queston from me :) 12:41 magnuse yay ;-) 12:39 martin_ cheers 12:39 * martin_ would hug magnus if he was close :p 12:39 gaetan_B fredericd: bonjour :) until what time can we send the .po i am working on for 3.8.2 ? 12:38 magnuse w00t! 12:38 martin_ thanks magnus, works like a dream now! 12:37 * magnuse is silly too 12:37 magnuse martin_: yup 12:37 martin_ silly me.. it won't read the ocnfig file otherwise.. 12:36 jcamins oleonard++ 12:36 martin_ ah. no.. didn't think to restart zebra.. of course.. 12:36 oleonard git format-patch [commit id] file(s) 12:36 magnuse martin_: did you restart zebra when you tested the new index? i just made it work on my dev install, but had to restart 12:36 oleonard So I figured out (Googled) how to generate a patch for a single file among many change files in one commit 12:35 * mveron is back 12:35 kf have to stop now 12:35 kf 2720 12:32 huginn kf: Identifies the organization holding the item or from which it is available. May also contain detailed information about how to locate the item in a collection. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,p,q,s,t,u,x,z,2,3,6,8] 12:32 kf @marc 852 12:32 drojf ok 12:31 kf drojf: but it's still very similar to the old version, so marked fuzzy 12:31 kf drojf: something got changed, I think punctuation most of the time 12:30 * mveron has a support case 12:30 drojf kf: how would i know why they all are "fragwürdig"? or is it the default for a new version? there is not really anything to translate there 12:27 kf and yesterday's checkouts? 12:27 kf maybe current checkouts 12:27 kf hm 12:27 oleonard '"actual state", the number of checkouts on the borrower card at the current date' 12:27 oleonard From the commit: '"precedent state", the number of checkouts the patron had yesterday on its library card' 12:26 kf 2961 12:23 kf and current state? 12:23 kf and what is previous state? 12:23 kf 3059 12:22 kf why location itype and ccode? 12:22 drojf must. translate. one. alibi. string 12:21 mveron kf: Ok. No Heinzelmännchen 12:21 oleonard Isn't that wrong or am I missing something? 12:20 oleonard After two checkouts and three or four checkins this is what the new statistics page looks like: http://screencast.com/t/iGrvy3ij3 12:18 kf afaik you either have to change something in the string or remove the fuzzy manually 12:18 mveron Ok. 12:18 kf 3233 now 12:17 kf or at least never worked for me 12:17 kf go back and you see it does not get removed 12:17 kf hm no 12:17 mveron kf: By skipping without editing it seems that "fuzzy" is removed, did it with several items witout correcting them. 12:17 kf ah too late then 12:17 drojf if you leave me something ;) 12:16 drojf could join in the evening 12:16 drojf kf: would get problems with my boss i guess. other job today 12:16 kf mveron: I am at Wichtig now = Important 12:15 kf want to join the translation fun? 12:15 kf hi drojf 12:15 mveron hi drojf 12:11 drojf hi #koha 12:11 mveron kf: OK, i skip very far ahead. 12:10 kf currently mine start with if 12:10 kf perhaps we should use separate letters? 12:09 kf they are alphabetic 12:09 mveron kf: Ok I go back to the first one... :-) 12:06 kf I just did the same :) 12:06 kf lol 12:06 mveron kf: I skip a couple of entries to prevent collisions 12:06 kf 4016 now 12:05 kf jump to next 12:05 kf einen 12:05 kf I already corrected that string :) 12:05 kf ingore that 12:05 kf ah 12:03 mveron kf: dass Sie nur 1 von mehreren Titeln erhalten wollen 1 -> einen ? English one 12:02 kf heh true :) 12:02 mveron kf: ...but it sounds very polite :-) 12:01 kf I am working with the english interface 12:01 kf this translation is not from me :) 12:01 mveron ...'benötigen Aufmerksamkeit' 12:00 mveron kf: Ok. 4289 currently... 12:00 kf working on it too right now, waiting for someone 11:59 kf 4302 currently 11:59 kf http://translate.koha-community.org/de/38/ 11:59 kf mveron: click on the words waiting for translation from this page: 11:59 kf mveron: ah, what you can do is 11:58 mveron kf: I browse now through Pootle (online) to do items marked as "fragwürdig" 11:58 martin_ no worries magnuse, you've been really great in upping my understanding of how zebra fits together so far... 11:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling 11:58 kylemhall bug 8253 now has a new patch ready for sign-off 11:57 magnuse martin_: i know i have successfully added an index for sru, but i can't remember where, and the changes i did are probably lost anyway... 11:57 kf I can imagine it's something people might want - and someone might read it and have an idea on how to do it :) 11:56 magnuse martin_: i think they are just namespaces, sort of. they are "defined" on lines 13 etc of pqf.properties 11:56 kf hm don't think so 11:56 martin_ kf: maybe, though it might jut be me trying to do somthing others are unlikely to ever want to do? 11:56 martin_ hi oleonard 11:55 martin_ what do the prefixes actually mean (dc i imagine is dublin core?... but how does that actually relate) 11:55 oleonard Hi all 11:55 kf martin_: perhaps file a bug? 11:55 martin_ still no luck.. 11:55 kf hi oleonard 11:50 mveron kf:Back... 11:48 magnuse try "index.dc.kohaitemtype" ? 11:48 magnuse hm, it looks like prefixes like "dc" have to be defined, so "local" will not work 11:42 martin_ yup 11:41 martin_ even with index.local.kohaitemtype 11:41 magnuse hm 11:41 magnuse so "index.kohaitemtype = 1=8031" 11:41 martin_ same result.. 11:41 magnuse hm, try defining it as index.kohaitemtype ? 11:40 martin_ will probably chance to something smaller once i've got it working. 11:40 martin_ so "query=kohaitemtype=ART" 11:40 martin_ as http://bldscat.ids.ac.uk:9998/biblios?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=kohaitemtype=ART&maximumRecords=100 11:38 magnuse how are you using it in the url? 11:36 martin_ hmm.. adding the "index.local.itemtype" line doesn't seem to help.. (or index.local.kohaitemtype which i then tried just in case it was clashing with the index.dc.itemtype line above it) 11:35 jcamins Hehe. 11:35 martin_ that's good.. if they should then i my import wasn't very good :p 11:33 jcamins martin_: most records won't have 502s or 007s. 11:33 magnuse me neither, but who am i to say? 11:33 jcamins magnuse: I wouldn't have thought so, but that's just me. 11:32 jcamins magnuse: ... maybe? 11:32 martin_ the records on this server seem to contain neither 502's nor 007's... maybe not the best server to be testing this against. 11:32 magnuse hm, does "melm 502 Material-type" make sense for "502 - Dissertation Note"? 11:31 martin_ ah yeah. of course.. silly me. 11:31 jcamins If the data is already in the index, you're just telling Zebra about how to make use of the data. 11:30 magnuse nope, the indexes are already populated, it's just a question of making them available to sru 11:30 jcamins No, no rebuilding. 11:29 martin_ going to try adding the index.local line you suggested.. that'll require a rebuilt though i assume? 11:29 magnuse because dc.itemtype is searching 007something and 502 11:29 martin_ i've tried that one too... :P and came up with the same result. 11:28 magnuse i'm not sure, but maybe it should be "query=dc.itemtype=something" 11:28 martin_ thnkas for your help.. you've given me a fair bit more to think about and "play" with.. 11:28 magnuse yup 11:27 martin_ i see.. that makes sense.. the SRU url includes a CQL query to narrow down the search (i.e. the query=itemtype=ART part) as far as i could work out. 11:26 magnuse they are different "query languages" 11:25 magnuse one is CQL-queries and the other is for CCL queries 11:25 martin_ just wondering how cql.properties and ccl.properties fit into the mix.. 11:25 magnuse hm, not sure, but at least it is the one SRU uses 11:25 martin_ so pqf is specific to SRU only..? 11:24 magnuse pqf.properties maps from bib1 attributes (8031) to indexes that are available to SRU (e.g. index.dc.itemtype - you can add your own too) 11:23 magnuse bib1.att maps from zebra indexes (itype) to bib1 attributes (8031) 11:22 magnuse record.abs maps from marc fields (952$y) to zebra indexes (itype) 11:22 martin_ cheers magnuse.. 11:22 magnuse but let me try to do the short version 11:21 magnuse i have explained it in norwegian somewhere once... 11:21 magnuse something like "index.local.itemtype = 1=8031" 11:20 martin_ i see... any chance you cold direct me to somewher that says how those files all fit together.. i'm a tad confused with the path you just followed to work that out 11:20 magnuse you should be able to do what you want to do by adding a new index to pqf.properties 11:19 magnuse so as far as i can see there is no way to search for the contents of 952$y in SRU... 11:19 martin_ wow.. it's way mroe of a maze in there than i thought. 11:19 magnuse record.abs says "Material-type" comes from 007 and 502 11:18 ropuch jcamins: oh, kk 11:17 magnuse bib1.att says "att 1031 Material-type" 11:17 jcamins ropuch: yeah, but itype is where the data is actually stored. 11:17 martin_ itype comes up with "Unsupported index" with no message.. whereas "itemtype" comes up with unsupported index, but has a message giving me the correct number for the index "1031" 11:17 ropuch If your'e talking koha itemtype it's 942c 11:17 magnuse though 11:17 magnuse it does have "index.dc.itemtype = 1=1031" 11:17 magnuse but pqf.properties does not mention 8031 :-( 11:16 martin_ capitalisation dones't seem to change the result. 11:16 martin_ jcamins, yeah.. tried "itype", "Itemtype" and "itemtype"... 11:16 * jcamins stops talking. 11:16 jcamins Ah, that's what you are doing now. 11:16 magnuse next: bib1.att says "att 8031 itype" 11:15 jcamins martin_: did you confirm that you don't want itype (instead of Itemtype)? 11:15 magnuse record.abs says that field is indexed in the itype index 11:15 magnuse yup 11:15 martin_ thats a new file to me, not looked at that one yet, cheers 11:14 martin_ yeah, 951$y I beleive 11:14 magnuse itemtype is in 952 something, right? 11:14 magnuse etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs is a good place to start, then 11:13 martin_ yes 11:13 magnuse martin_: using marc21? 11:12 martin_ Yeah, i've been trying to work out that file (and ccl.properties, and bib1.att for that matter) 11:11 martin_ the keyword Subject seems to work as expected, but Itemtype does not. It is however picking the right index 1031 (going on the diag message), but bringing up an error instead of results.. any idea's what i might be doing wrong? 11:11 magnuse martin_: etc/zebradb/pqf.properties is the key: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=etc/zebradb/pqf.properties 11:10 martin_ my test server is at http://bldscat.ids.ac.uk:9998/biblios?version=1.1&operation=searchRetrieve&query=itemtype=ART&maximumRecords=5 11:10 martin_ cheers magnuse.. so initally i'm just trying to get a result limited by itemtype.. 11:10 magnuse hiya jcamins 11:09 martin_ hi kf (yes.. i am logged in twice.. no idea where i'm logged in a mrenvoize the first time though... just keeps saying i'm logged in somewhere) 11:09 magnuse martin_: i'm a bit rusty, but i can try... 11:07 kf hi mrenvoize_m 11:06 martin_ anyone in here any good with SRU... trying to work out how to limit a search by koha itemtype and really not getting very far.? 10:54 kf heh 10:51 eythian bah 10:51 kf eythian can fix it when he is done with the accounts rewrite ;) 10:37 magnuse probably one of the oldest tables? :-) 10:28 eythian it really is 10:26 kf eythian: the whole table is a bit messy, lots of different datatypes too 10:23 matts :) 10:23 matts ohh, got it ! 10:20 eythian borrowers.address and borrowers.city can't be null? What madness is this? 10:19 matts ? 10:19 Oak :) 10:18 magnuse kia ora Oak and matts 10:18 Oak kia ora #koha 10:18 Oak magnuse 10:18 magnuse Oak 10:04 mveron kf: Will work on it after 2 p.m. 10:04 kf so all have to be checked and unfuzzied 10:04 kf mveron: all that is fuzzy counts as untranslated 10:03 kf mveron: we have to do all :( 10:03 mveron kf: Will be back about 2 p.m. 10:03 mveron kf: Thanks :-) - but I only did sentences where no translation showed up. I think there is still a lot of correction wor to do. 10:01 kf mveron++ 10:01 kf mveron: was in a meeting, just came back 10:01 kf mveron: wow! great! 10:00 * mveron Lunchtime 10:00 mveron kf: 6 untranslated sentences left. 09:54 matts whois, do you have more information in the log file ? 09:47 whois please fix solution on 09:45 whois I go back then click on page and saw the new record is created 09:45 whois " 09:45 whois / usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line in 2919. 09:45 whois Can not call method "subfield" on an undefined value at 09:45 whois Software error: 09:45 whois " 09:45 whois I proceeded to create a new record (books, booklets, workbooks) and select Save and edit items> Add items then the message: 09:40 mveron whois: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2012-April/032641.html 09:39 eythian whois: you're going to have to provide more information. 09:37 marcelr thx mveron 09:36 mveron marcelr: 7143 is signed off 09:33 whois please fix solution above? 09:32 whois Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm 09:32 whois please help me. 09:31 whois hi all 09:09 mveron marcelr: OK, will have a look at it 09:07 marcelr mveron: please see 7143 for a similar timeline bug but with a "fix" in about script; you may sign it off :-) 08:55 magnuse ah yes, translatation 08:34 wahanui hi, eythian 08:34 eythian wahanui: hi 08:11 marcelr prima 08:11 mveron Daag marcelr. Hoe is het ermee? 08:11 marcelr welkom terug mveron 08:07 * mveron is back from supporting issue 07:39 kf (like they currently do in 3.8) 07:39 kf mveron: so anyone can check the files, it's only important to do it, because the translation scripts can have problems with errors and stop prematurely without creating all files :( 07:38 mveron :-) 07:38 kf mveron: only telling you - it's not something secret :) 07:38 mveron kf:Thanks, will do 07:36 kf mveron: what I do is download the files and open them in poedit - it gives errors for mostof the problems and then I correct those on pootle 07:35 mveron Ok 07:35 kf mveron: I will check the files for erros ealry afternoon (or at least that's the plan, plz feel free to remind me :) ) 07:35 * mveron makes a short break for a support case 07:34 mveron :-) 07:33 kf mveron++ 07:19 julian_m hi marcelr 07:18 marcelr hi julian_m 07:07 julian_m good morning #koha 07:05 wahanui privet, gaetan_B 07:05 gaetan_B hello 07:05 mveron kf:Ok, I will walk through 07:04 kf but reading it I started correcting a lot too 07:03 kf most is fuzzy strings in documentation 07:03 kf any string you can trasnlate today is a help 07:03 kf so not sure I will finish in time for 3.8.3 string freeze tonight 07:03 kf I haven't started yet and we only have today :( 07:03 kf Sure :) 07:02 mveron kf: Can I be of any help with the translation? 07:01 kf hi matts and julian :) 07:01 mveron Guten morgen kf :-) 07:00 mveron hi #koha 07:00 matts hi #koha ! 06:58 kf guten morgen :) 06:54 kf good morning #koha 06:51 marcelr hi reiveune 06:48 reiveune hello 06:32 marcelr morning koha 06:19 alex_a bonjour 05:18 cait ola senor Oak 05:17 Oak guten morgen senorita cait 04:19 * Oak_ waves 03:40 ago43 I'll ask Kyle for a better explanation. 03:39 ago43 mtj: I think it is because the relevant tables use datetime in 3.8, versus date as the 'type'. 03:14 Brooke evenin' miss 03:14 druthb hi, Brooke. :) 03:13 Brooke hoka hey 03:12 mtj ... to get the fines.pl script searching the description col with a 'date' value, not a 'datetime' value 03:11 mtj shouldnt the fix to this bug be- a tweak to the fines.pl script? 03:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling 03:10 mtj i have a quick/dumb question about bug 8253 03:07 druthb :D Hi, rangi! 03:06 rangi hi druthb 03:04 druthb o/ 01:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #765: FIXED in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/765/ 01:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 01:12 * Oak waves 00:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #765 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #762 4 hr 23 min ago) 00:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #764: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/764/