Time Nick Message 23:01 jcamins he is walking across the keyboard with determination... 23:01 rangi :) 23:01 jcamins myshkin says hi 22:53 rangi the spammers never went away, but all they are doing is creating users at the moment so thats ok 22:48 jcamins Oops. 22:48 jcamins Hm. Apparently my Debian VM is i386 not amd64. 22:47 drojf or just a lot of koha enthusiasts with crazy names ;) 22:46 jcamins Looks like the spammers are back. 22:46 drojf wow http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers 22:43 jcamins cmeech++ # cooperation, that's the ticket! 22:39 * jcamins knows which of those bids he'll be voting for. 22:38 * jcamins tries sbuild. 22:36 drojf nah i think we have, but not much more 22:35 drojf i wish we had three different koha parties (vendor, independent etc) in germany at all ;) 22:27 rangi hmm 3 competing US kohacon13 bids now 21:52 jcamins_away wajasu++ 21:52 jcamins_away Awesome! 21:10 wajasu jcamins: maybe sbuild could make building packages since it does snapshots of base and overlay filesystems with schroot. http://www.wefearchange.org/2011/09/sbuild-with-local-newer-dependencies.html 21:08 wizzyrea kylemhall: never mind about the patch - will test with data that actually meets the conditions <mutters> 21:00 wizzyrea :) 21:00 wizzyrea yes, indeed, good catch 21:00 rangi overdue fines that is 21:00 rangi ahh, only overdues have the date in the desc, so would need to test that patch with some overdues 20:52 wizzyrea ^^ this 20:51 trea that sounds pretty awesome 20:51 rangi heh 20:51 ibeardslee .. for arbitary degrees of 'need' 20:51 ibeardslee that reminds me I need to sign up for that 20:49 rangi slef: http://untappd.com/user/ranginui <-- tried one of the beers last night 20:49 wizzyrea er, s/can/would 20:49 wizzyrea kylemhall: hey re: 8253 - can you read the scrollback? 20:48 rangi that does make no sense 20:48 rangi hmmm yeah 20:48 wizzyrea there aren't any dates in the description 20:48 wizzyrea my lightbulb is a bit dim today 20:48 wizzyrea shouldn't it be in the date field? 20:47 wizzyrea wait that makes no sense 20:45 cait why do we have that in description? 20:45 cait in the description field 20:45 wizzyrea I don't think it worked, I don't have any 00:00 20:45 wizzyrea in accountlines 20:44 wizzyrea I would see 2012-16-18 00:00 20:44 wizzyrea if this update actually worked 20:44 wizzyrea so if I'm understanding 20:41 wizzyrea well, i'mnot sure it worked at all, actualy 20:41 wizzyrea this one didn't 20:41 wizzyrea it usually fires automatically, even with a .xxx 20:41 wizzyrea no, it did work after I rolled the version back 20:40 cait btu didn't you say it didn't work? :) 20:40 * wizzyrea knows it says DON'T TOUCH but suspects this is the exact situation that was in mind when the ability to edit it was added 20:39 * wizzyrea did it with the syspref 20:39 cait but it back down by 1 20:39 cait run the update 20:39 cait increase databasenumber in kohaversion by 1 20:39 cait apply patch 20:39 cait wizzyrea: what I do is 20:39 cait hm 20:39 rangi ah right 20:39 wizzyrea yea, it was on 14, but wouldn't fire - I rolled it back to 13, it tried to redo the iTiva stuff, and claims it did the .xxx update too, however I'm still looking for the evidence 20:37 rangi hmm? rolled back the version number? 20:36 wizzyrea anybody else able to duplicate? I suppose it could be my data. 20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling 20:33 wizzyrea I got the db update to work after I rolled back the version number, but that doesn't seem right on bug 8253 20:32 * wizzyrea speaks typo 20:30 mbalmer typos 20:30 mbalmer grrr. 20:30 mbalmer cautiosly 20:30 * mbalmer waves back, cautios,y 20:29 * wizzyrea waves cautiously 20:29 mbalmer ola 20:22 wizzyrea I don't have data for it though >.< 20:22 wizzyrea ^^ this really has to happen, I'd like to see a functional test 20:19 rangi i wouldnt be pushing it until that, and be sure that it works with all the differnet date format sysprefs 20:19 melia_lunch but that's all from me. back to lunch. :) 20:19 melia_lunch and needs signoff 20:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8267 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Overdue notices not working 20:19 melia_lunch bug 8267 is pretty important, too 20:19 rangi well i want to see it demonstrated working with other than just passing the unit tests 20:18 nengard who do i need to nag ??? :) 20:18 cait morning :) 20:18 rangi nengard: it needs to get passed qa and pushed to master first then it can 20:18 cait hi rangi 20:18 rangi hi cait 20:17 wizzyrea bye oleonard 20:17 wizzyrea it's in there... 20:17 oleonard See ya #koha 20:16 * wizzyrea double checks some things 20:16 wizzyrea I can't get the db update to fire :/ 20:16 nengard that's another biggie 20:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days 20:16 nengard bug 8110 20:16 nengard rangi will 8110 be in 3.8.2? 20:13 * wizzyrea will try 20:12 cait hi #koha 20:09 rangi We've got 2 days 20:09 rangi If someone has time to sign off 20:08 kathryn morning :) 20:05 rangi I'd love that for 3.8.2 20:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fine doubling 20:05 rangi Hmm bug 8253 20:04 * oleonard hasn't tried to organize a Bangkok Koha hackfest 20:02 rangi Pad_thai++ 19:56 wizzyrea not_getting_malaria++ 19:55 oleonard not_getting_malaria++ 19:55 wizzyrea but that's mostly gravy. 19:55 oleonard wizzyrea: Malaria pills :( 19:55 wizzyrea possibly a place to stay when you get off the plane. 19:55 rangi Everything else is gravy :) 19:55 wizzyrea necessary prescription drugs, if any. 19:55 rangi Passport and wallet 19:55 wizzyrea winging-it++ 19:54 oleonard I'm in my usual pre-travel freakout mode, made worse by the fact that we're pretty much winging it 19:54 rangi Awesome you'll love it 19:53 oleonard 12 days. My wife and our oldest daughter (who's 9 now). 19:53 wizzyrea wow oleonard that sounds awesome 19:52 * wajasu compiled proot under archlinux, grabbed debian dist, adding 19:48 rangi For how long? 19:47 rangi Ooh cool 19:45 * oleonard leaves Sunday for Thailand 19:43 rangi Mostly still sleepy lots 19:42 oleonard Hi rangi. Are you recovered from your world traveling? 19:42 wizzyrea mornin 19:40 wahanui i heard Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:40 rangi Morning 19:32 jcamins Okay, I think I've extracted all the information I can from this German buchhandlung catalog. 19:29 wizzyrea where sometimes comes almost never. 19:29 wizzyrea they are a "sometimes treat" 19:28 wizzyrea I don't really eat sweets often anymore 19:28 oleonard Are you being dietarily virtuous wizzyrea? 19:28 wizzyrea fine by me ;) 19:27 * jcamins looks shiftily at wizzyrea's plate of cookies, tosses half to oleonard, and scampers off with his share. 19:27 * wizzyrea declines cookies 19:27 jcamins oleonard: ooh, I want that, too. 19:26 oleonard I want cookies delivered daily to my desk but it doesn't mean it happens :P 19:26 wizzyrea up at the top, by the bib info 19:26 ago43 yup, that one is from Amazon. 19:26 wizzyrea well not "on the tab" 19:26 jcamins I don't really know, actually. 19:26 jcamins oleonard: someone wanted it to? 19:25 wizzyrea …because they told it to? 19:25 oleonard why would the cover show on the holdings tab? 19:25 wizzyrea on the holdings tab. 19:25 wizzyrea ago43: you could verify that by checking hte source of the image you are seeing. 19:24 wizzyrea so the amazon ones would show on the holdings tab, and the local image only in the images tab. 19:24 * jcamins now has one client using Amazon, too. 19:24 jcamins And almost all my clients are local cover image-only. 19:24 wizzyrea ah 19:23 jcamins wizzyrea: 'cause kmkale hasn't finished that yet. :) 19:22 wizzyrea jcamins: just curious why don't local cover images usurp all other kinds of cover images? 19:22 ago43 cool. Thanks very much! 19:22 wizzyrea "working as intended" 19:22 jcamins Having it show up anywhere but the Images tab is all new to me. 19:22 wizzyrea not a bug :) 19:21 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, that's what it is supposed to do, and the only thing I've ever seen it do. 19:21 ago43 okay. that makes sense. 19:21 wizzyrea and the local cover on the images tab. 19:21 wizzyrea i bet you are seeing the amazon cover on the holdings tab 19:21 ago43 amazon 19:21 wizzyrea jcamins: I'm looking at an example where the image only shows on the images tab. 19:21 wizzyrea ago43: do they have other expanded content options on? 19:19 jcamins And by nice I mean "ouch." 19:19 jcamins Nice: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacquelynsmith/2012/06/08/the-best-and-worst-masters-degrees-for-jobs-2/2/ 19:18 jcamins ago43: and just to confirm, you are looking at an example where the *local* cover image is showing up on the holdings tab? 19:18 jcamins wizzyrea: in the details page. They upgraded to 3.8. 19:17 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 19:17 wizzyrea the first question? 19:17 oleonard wizzyrea: Local cover images in the staff client 19:17 wizzyrea and 19:17 wizzyrea what is the URL of the page you are looking at 19:17 wizzyrea images tab?! 19:16 * jcamins uses this as an excuse to declare his day over in fifteen minutes. 19:16 jcamins Yeah, just me. 19:16 jcamins Hm. 19:16 wizzyrea i don't remember this either 19:16 ago43 thanks. I'll dig into this some more to see what I can find. 19:16 wizzyrea huh? 19:15 jcamins Unlike this, where I have a recollection of wizzyrea finding some errant JS. 19:15 jcamins I mean, I remember what the actual problem was. 19:15 jcamins oleonard: no, I remember talking about that one. 19:15 ago43 nope, it's not IE. 19:14 oleonard jcamins: Are you thinking of the IE cover image bug? 19:14 ago43 yeah, I hope not because then I'm missing a LOT. 19:14 jcamins Deja vu. 19:14 jcamins Huh. 19:14 ago43 jcamins: I don't think so. 19:14 jcamins ago43: I know. I mean, didn't we have this discussion last week? 19:13 jcamins And wizzyrea was able to reproduce it with some crazy JS. 19:13 ago43 I mis-placed a bug update for patron images. 19:13 jcamins ago43: wait, didn't we have this discussion? 19:13 jcamins ago43: check your intranetuserjs. 19:12 jcamins ago43: cover images should never appear on the holdings tab. 19:12 ago43 Hi, All: is there a reason why cover images will appear on the Holdings tab only sometimes, but will always appear on the Images tab? This is in the staff-client koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumberfor 19:11 jcamins My Java experience was mostly pre-Java2. 19:11 * jcamins doesn't know much -- well, anything, really -- about this. 19:10 jcamins Interesting. 19:10 wajasu i only mention this, since solr might bring JVM into the mix. 19:10 wajasu i thought is one had a plack impementation with PLjava, maybe the perl folks could leverage services in the JVM world (scala, groovy). 19:08 wajasu the plack spec is interesting, because if one wrote a plack implementation upon openstack, or aws, etc, things could get interesting. but thats beyond this forum. 19:06 wajasu what i like about the VMs is that they are "migratable" with the libvirt tools, to VPS providers, and such. 19:05 wajasu and i believe the current versions of openssh support hardlinks. 19:04 wajasu i was trying that over the sshfs, but i got hung up with fakeroot, and the untar trying to set uid=0, 19:03 jcamins Thanks. 19:03 jcamins Oooh. 19:03 wajasu i am not running debian as my host os, but you could run pbuilder and maybe edit /etc/pbuilderrc to have BUILDPLACE="/tmp/kohaplace" 19:00 jcamins (without needing to run a separate VM) 19:00 wajasu the other day, my problem with my build-git-snapshot was i had a mysql db backup inthe kohaclone, and so it got added to the koha-tar. 18:59 jcamins It would also be helpful if I could figure out how to put all of pbuilder on tmpfs. 18:59 wajasu with my VM located in tmpfs (and large enough), i just pbuilder create, mounted with sshfs, cd into the mounted kohaclone, then debian/build-git-snapshot,. 18:55 jcamins wajasu: yeah, if pbuilder could be persuaded to use proot and userspace, that would be helpful. 18:54 wajasu and also, if we could build deb packages without the fakeroot over mounted filesystem, having plenty of host os disk space. 18:51 jcamins I should set that up. 18:50 wajasu jacmins: apt-proxy,thanks 18:49 wajasu i was hoping the workflow would be: 1) build machine, 2) git branch select/setup/koha dev non-interactive, 3) grab patch (or by id) and apply, 3) test 18:48 jcamins wajasu: I meant that for you. 18:48 wahanui jcamins: sorry... 18:48 jcamins wahanui: also, apt-proxy. 18:45 wajasu and if you can do it in /tmp tmpfs, with local debian package repo/proxies (possible in the /tmp) you could build a mahine fast. 18:44 jcamins Then the overall script can run the test directly and retrieve any log output easily. 18:43 wajasu yes. 18:43 jcamins Binding an install script into the proot would be perfect. 18:43 wajasu my setup is using /tmp in tmpfs, and the VM build is 5minutes non-interactive. 18:40 jcamins For my release work, I would prefer something with slightly less isolation than lxc. 18:39 wajasu i also has things set up with schroot, and either aufs or unionfs, so i could start with a base OS/dist, and just layer on top without copy/build but that more sophisticated set up. but saves space. 18:38 jcamins Intriguing. dpavlin is one of the LXC people. 18:37 wajasu the other option is lxc containers, which libvirt supports. so that is why i was making the shell scripts with libvirt. 18:36 jcamins Ah. 18:36 * jcamins looks up schroot. 18:35 wajasu i used to use schroot, which is a different option. 18:35 jcamins Where simplify = add a lot more steps 18:35 jcamins And with proot, I could greatly simplify my release process. 18:34 jcamins Right. 18:34 wajasu saves time. you grab, then untar from host os. 18:34 jcamins Oh, I understand now. 18:33 wajasu those dists are available to grab, so we don't have to build them. i.e. debootstrap, for other dists. 18:33 jcamins wajasu: why OpenVZ? Isn't the point of proot that you shouldn't need it? 18:32 * oleonard thinks his universal translator must be on the fritz 18:32 wajasu and grab the openvz distributions http://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:cedric-vincent&package=proot 18:31 wajasu yes 18:31 wajasu we can mount ind out git repo, our network, etc. then no sshfs overhead 18:31 jcamins wajasu: ohh, I just realized what you meant. You could set up a PRoot with, say, CentOS. 18:30 jcamins wajasu: but Koha itself does not actually require any cross-compilation. 18:30 wajasu yup 18:29 jcamins wajasu: ooh, -B looks like what I need. 18:28 wajasu maybe a proot perl/koha script might be in order to support more distributions. example: http://ivoire.dinauz.org/blog/post/2012/05/04/Making-VLC-at-home 18:27 wajasu PRoot looks like another interesting way to build a chrooted test environment, with host files "bind mounted" into the chrooted environment. 17:41 huginn jcamins: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 4 days, 22 hours, 15 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <libsysguy> Mr. Anderson... 17:41 jcamins @seen libsysguy 17:37 jcamins It is very counterintuitive. 17:35 jcamins It is my considered opinion that I do not like ContentDM much. 17:30 wajasu kill, abort, and even fork for that matter :) 17:29 wizzyrea though I'm not sure something called a "daemon" is much friendlier. 17:29 wizzyrea or rather, that's what people's perception is 17:29 jcamins Hehe. 17:28 wizzyrea you wouldn't like it when it's angry. 17:28 wizzyrea it's like the hulk 17:28 wizzyrea cron is scary 17:28 jcamins And 50% of those people then argue with me when I tell them to stop using it. 17:27 jcamins But since without fail everyone ignores the instructions to use rebuild_zebra in favor of the non-working zebraqueue_daemon, it seems like it would be a good idea to make that impossible. 17:27 wizzyrea oki cool 17:26 jcamins wizzyrea: it was removed from the documentation 3.8 and 3.10. 17:26 wizzyrea and from the documentation too :/ 17:26 jcamins I think I will remove zebraqueue_daemon before 3.6.6. 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days 17:25 wizzyrea bug 8110 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8001 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add some styling to the tags to allow them to be distinctive 17:25 wizzyrea bug 8001 17:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8011 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , no records found in biblios reservior 17:25 wizzyrea bug 8011 17:22 tcohen bye #koha 17:18 kf oleonard: thx for your comments - I will retest the holidays :) 16:56 ago43 I can see that being a little bit of a non sequiter 16:56 jcamins ago43: no problem. I was just a bit confused by the juxtaposition of the subject and the message. 16:55 kf ago43: you can tell it to stay on the same bug aftre saving 16:55 ago43 cool. thanks, kf! 16:55 kf ago43: check the preferences in bugzilla - I hate that is does that standard 16:55 ago43 sorry about that, I'll correct it right now. and thanks for alerting me. 16:55 kf ago43: ah, you can deactivate that :) 16:55 ago43 hi, jcamins. yes, you are correct. after i submitted my first comment it moved to the next issue. 16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7995 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , upload patron images permission needed to upload offline circ 16:54 jcamins ago43: did you update the wrong bug? The problem in bug 7995 is going to be in the offline circ section. 16:46 jcamins (which is assumed to be at /usr/bin/perl) 16:45 jcamins Other than Perl. 16:45 jcamins Provided the configuration files point to real paths, I don't think Koha or its dependencies make many assumptions about file location. 16:44 neo_ sure jcamins 16:44 jcamins neo_: you can edit it however you need to. Just don't rerun the installation to avoid overwriting your modified files (and for goodness' sake, back up the working configuration!). 16:43 neo_ can we have this different modulePath in these .cfg 16:43 eythian I'm not totally sure how that works 16:43 oleonard Okay, that's better. 16:43 eythian yeah 16:42 liw Debian is building multiarch, though, which is complicating things 16:42 neo_ ohh... ok 16:42 eythian lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 mei 10 08:21 lib64 -> lib 16:41 jcamins neo_: nope. 16:41 oleonard Except I realized I made a mistake in the patch so I'm preparing a revised revision 16:41 jcamins Edit what? 16:41 neo_ there is no /usr/lib64/ in Debian ? 16:41 kf Edit: Now with proper translatability, date formatting, first day of the week handling, and RTL support. << oleonard++ 16:41 neo_ corrected and working fine now 16:41 jcamins neo_: I expect you will run into a lot of problems with that, since all the configuration files are assuming a Debian-style filesystem layout. 16:40 neo_ it was /usr/lib/idzebra-2.0/modules/ , our system is a 64 bit 16:39 neo_ modulePath was incorrect in /etc/koha/zebradb/*.cfg 16:39 neo_ search was giving no results in the first place 16:16 drojf :D 16:12 chris_n lol 16:12 eythian depends what OS you're running. Could be a hurd. 16:12 * chris_n imagines the feed bill would get pretty costly quick 16:11 chris_n would that be a herd of zebras? 16:11 * eythian does not fancy the idea of clustering zebra 16:11 jcamins chris_n: hehe. Cinnamon bread + a terrible cold. 16:11 * chris_n thinks jcamins has had too many brownies today 16:09 jcamins Get forty: 20 web servers, 10 Zebra servers, 10 MySQL servers. 16:07 jcamins :D 16:07 jcamins chris_n: maybe instead of a Xeon server you should get several dozen raspberry pis, and use Galera+Plack+load balancing. 16:04 eythian But it'll happen one day! 16:03 eythian My wrt can't do 5GHz, and I haven't got around to setting up my router that can (and it can't bridge, so I'd need to replace the firmware on it, etc etc) 16:02 jcamins eythian: yeah, my wireless network is 802.11n/a (dual band). 16:02 eythian and .11n where he can 16:02 * eythian uses 802.11g 16:02 * eythian doesn't 16:01 jcamins And 802.11b=slow, painfully, and error-prone. 16:01 jcamins eythian: and the future is very cool. But wifi=802.11b. 16:01 drojf lol 16:00 eythian we're in the future now, you know :) 16:00 eythian you don't have to use 802.11b... 15:59 * jcamins never got over his distrust of 802.11b. 15:58 jcamins I've been thinking about making the wireless network a separate subnet. 15:57 * jcamins has a nice WAP which plugged into an uplink port on the switch which is plugged into the router. 15:56 drojf heh 15:56 jcamins drojf: and require all my traffic to go over wifi? Never! 15:56 drojf plug in a wifi stick 15:56 jcamins I was thinking of an ALIX2d13 for router. 15:55 jcamins drojf: it only has one ethernet port. 15:55 drojf jcamins: get two, make one a router ;) 15:54 jcamins However, the reason I haven't ordered a raspberry pi yet is that until I have a router than can do useful traffic shaping/QoS, the backup server idea isn't really tenable. 15:54 drojf eythian: becaiuse its cheap 15:54 eythian (there have been for ages, but rasberry pi seemed to start a bit of a wave) 15:54 oleonard Can anyone reproduce that error from /tags/review.pl? 15:53 * chris_n too 15:53 jcamins ^^ that's my hope! 15:53 drojf eythian: i hope so 15:53 eythian I think there will be better, cheaper, and less proprietary things coming out in the near future. 15:53 jcamins Not yet. 15:53 drojf jcamins: have you ordered one? 15:53 chris_n buy two 15:53 chris_n they're cheap 15:53 * jcamins wants a raspberry pi, too. It would make a *perfect* backup server. 15:53 chris_n oooo... raspberry pi 15:53 jcamins plack++ 15:53 jcamins drojf++ 15:53 jcamins wizzyrea: I know 15:52 drojf plack rocks 15:52 drojf yes 15:52 jcamins drojf: on the raspberry pi? 15:52 wizzyrea WHAT NO FENNEL 15:52 drojf dpavlin: staff client works too, it's magic :) 15:52 oleonard Indeed. 15:51 jcamins oleonard: that doesn't seem quite right. 15:51 oleonard "C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.07.00.049 at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/tags/review.pl" 15:50 kf :) 15:50 * jcamins will be buying fennel on the way home. 15:50 jcamins Fennel... 15:50 jcamins Mmm. Fennel. 15:49 * jcamins hopes they have fennel next week. 15:49 jcamins We only get every other week, which means I don't get the fennel, arugula, romaine, Boston lettuce, etc. 15:48 oleonard Except for jcamins stomach rumbling 15:48 jcamins This week has the most wonderful selection at the CSA. 15:48 jcamins Grrr. 15:47 oleonard Man it's quiet around here these days 15:42 chris_n we'll file a claim on it for sure 15:41 chris_n looks like it was dropped from some unspecified height 15:41 jcamins_away Oh no! Don't they have to replace it? 15:41 chris_n ups trashed my new xeon server for me :-( 15:40 * chris_n just wanted to be sure he was not missing anything :-) 15:39 jcamins_away That's the last one I saw. 15:39 chris_n has it really been 3 days since the last post to the dev list? 15:39 jcamins_away I would accept a patch for 3.6.x entirely removing zebraqueue_daemon. 15:16 eythian np 15:15 neo_ thank you eythian 15:15 eythian yep 15:15 neo_ remove zebraqueue_daemon.pl from the startup scripts ? 15:14 neo_ so i have to use the cron for scheduling this , right ? 15:14 neo_ ok 15:14 neo_ i am wondering that , i was running this from yesterday and have some records 15:14 eythian rebuild_zebra (or koha-rebuild-zebra if you're on the debian packages) is the recommended way. 15:13 neo_ ohh... ok 15:13 eythian neo_: the zebraqueue_daemon thing doesn't work as far as I know 15:13 neo_ saying that we should run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v 15:12 neo_ yes, 15:12 oleonard neo_: have you read through that FAQ yet? 15:11 wahanui search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 15:11 oleonard search faq? 15:11 kf ah. 15:11 wahanui i am a bot 15:11 kf who is wahanui? 15:11 kf hm 15:11 neo_ ohh... ok 15:11 kf you? 15:11 kf youß 15:11 wahanui kf? 15:11 kf wahanui? 15:11 kf neo_: wahanui is our bot :) don't get confused :) 15:11 oleonard neo_: wahanui is a bot, not a person 15:11 wahanui ...but search is for the patrons not the librarians... 15:11 neo_ wahanui, search is giving no records , i am running zebraqueue_daemon.pl 15:09 wahanui hi, neo_ 15:09 neo_ hi 15:09 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 26.9°C (5:05 PM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 15:09 kf @wunder Konstanz 15:07 huginn kf: Error: No such location could be found. 15:07 kf @wunder Konstant 14:45 reiveune bye 13:58 kf slow 13:58 kf yeah, the js version was too sloe? 13:56 oleonard Interesting... Template Toolkit OPAC new in Evergreen 2.2.0. 13:34 nengard :) 13:34 nengard one that only jcamins can fix 13:33 jcamins nengard: guess it's a documentation bug, then. 13:32 * nengard does not bake or make bread - so none of that can be found in the manual :) 13:31 * oleonard rolls eyes and point to the manual entry for stovetop cinnamon bread 13:31 jcamins Bug omnomnom. 13:31 jcamins Hehe. 13:31 oleonard You got a bug number for that? 13:30 jcamins Stovetop cinnamon bread, not as easy as it sounds. 13:19 oleonard Directed by M. Night Shyamalan 13:18 eythian http://i.imgur.com/SUSwT.gif 12:34 drojf hi #koha 12:02 mtj eythian: kf -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7t2f-L6Z04 11:56 kf and I test quickly after that 11:56 kf perhaps if you tell me next time you have time to work on that 11:56 oleonard Yeah, that's already too out of date :( 11:56 kf oleonard: but that is probably broken because of the recent jquery updates 11:56 kf oleonard: you are welcome, I also tried the other - moving js out of translated paths 11:38 oleonard Thanks kf 11:38 oleonard kf++ # for testing jQueryUI datepickers 11:34 jcamins I figure it's a sample. 11:34 eythian It does look more like a proof of concept than anything. 11:28 jcamins mbalmer: backup.sh does not actually work. I just made it a little less non-working. 11:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8267 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Overdue notices not working 11:28 kylemhall bug 8267 needs a sign-off. Fixes the borked overdues script. 11:26 mbalmer eythian, besides of that, I doubt it would be very intersting for you, anyways 11:26 eythian jcamins_away: give it back! :) 11:25 jcamins_away eythian: I stole your patch 11:25 eythian but also, I'd probably struggle with the language. I don't anticipate my French nor German being anything special by that stage. 11:25 eythian heh 11:25 mbalmer eythian, be happy it' not word only... 11:24 mbalmer (since they target siwss librraries) 11:24 mbalmer and, worse, no itialian and no roman 11:24 eythian I refuse to attend anything that'll only put its program in PDF format :) 11:23 kf hm no english website - only german and french :) 11:23 mbalmer eythian, http://www.bis.info/ 11:22 eythian ah right, then no 11:22 kf a confrence, but taking place after you have left, in september 11:22 eythian it's like youtube 11:22 eythian kf: oh, don't read the comments on that site 11:22 eythian BIS? 11:22 kf eythian: the comments on the article are not nice :( 11:22 mbalmer eythian, joining the BIS congress ??? or "just" visiting kf? 11:21 * kf can't believe that :) 11:21 kf hmpf. 11:21 eythian kf: I'm in England right now. This isn't a problem I'm having here :) 11:20 kf eythian: I hope 8 weeks of practice will slow you down a bit until you reach Konstanz :) 11:18 kf "iwis need to speak slower and cut the slang when talking to migrants, as the garbled way we communicate is scaring them off community involvement, " 11:18 kf heh 11:17 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/7131567/ <-- kf, this reminded me of you 11:15 kf and chinese and japanese 11:15 eythian heh 11:15 kf eythian: I was in the city on saturday before edinburgh and heard lots of english, it was scary. you will have no problems at all :) 11:14 mbalmer hehe, I will be one of them ;P 11:14 kf but the tourists... ;) 11:14 kf it's a nice city 11:13 mbalmer Konstanz will be in september, looking forward to that one. 11:13 kf ah 11:12 mbalmer I'm the secretary of www.swiss-artg.ch, so I have to be at our booth there.. 11:11 mbalmer first work, then fun ;) 11:11 mbalmer actually the german side is nice, because you see the alps. 11:11 kf fun or work? 11:11 kf wrong side of the lake 11:11 kf ah 11:10 mbalmer kf, Wil, Rorschach, Romanshron and Friedrichshafen (http://www.hamradio-friedrichshafen.de/) 11:10 kf hi oleonard :) 11:09 oleonard Hi #koha 11:09 kf ah, visiting Konstanz? 11:09 mbalmer I will be mostly AFK until sunday night (traveling in the Bodensee region) 10:46 kf asaurat: ah, should scroll down :) 10:46 kf asaurat: there is a patch 10:30 asaurat yes, thx, didn't find this 10:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly 10:28 magnuse asaurat: could that be Bug 8229? 10:13 asaurat don't know why yet, if anyone has an idea... 10:13 asaurat the display is broken 10:13 asaurat anyone has seen how the last master behaves when using the cataloging section (modification of MARC subfields)? 10:10 Oak hello eythian :) 10:10 eythian hi Oak 10:06 Oak paul_p++ 10:06 Oak Ahoy me hearties 10:03 eythian but, given we have no procedures, it doesn't really matter :) 10:02 mtj whew, disaster averted... 10:02 eythian mtj: yeah 10:02 kf bbl 10:02 kf lunch time 10:01 mtj mysqldump -R ? -> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/mysqldump.html#option_mysqldump_routines 09:56 liw mmm, backups 09:56 mbalmer that's good (for the backup) then 09:56 kf no procedures 09:52 mbalmer because if it did, mysqldump needs an option to dump procedures, it normalls does not dump then (surprise, surprise, when you have to rstore…. ;) 09:51 eythian (I kid) 09:51 eythian oh yes, everywhere. 09:51 eythian well, I'd probably make a temp one, but basically you provide host, user, password, etc. and then specify to use that config for options. 09:50 mbalmer does Koha uses MySQL stored procedures anywhere? 09:49 mbalmer so you meant the mysql config file, not a backup.sh config file, yes, makes sense 09:49 eythian <eythian> a better solution would be to generate a config file. 09:49 mbalmer my.cnf? 09:49 mbalmer can't mysql take the password from a file? 09:49 mbalmer not very secure… 09:48 eythian patches welcome. 09:48 eythian a better solution would be to generate a config file. 09:48 mbalmer exactly. 09:48 eythian (there is a moment before it doesn't) 09:48 mtj yep, thats the one, eythian ... ;) 09:48 eythian mysql overwrites it. 09:48 eythian no it doesn't 09:48 eythian 1468 pts/0 S+ 0:00 mysql --host=localhost --user=koha_dev --password=x xxxxxx koha_dev 09:47 * eythian wonders how many koha sites have a world readable koha-conf.xml anyway 09:47 mbalmer but that would still the password in the process list. 09:46 mbalmer well, the file should at least be mode 0600 09:46 eythian the problem is, there wasn't really a nice way to extract it from the config file. The packages depend on xmlstarlet to do that, but regular koha doesn't. 09:45 mbalmer yes. 09:45 eythian that's what koha-dump does 09:44 eythian It should extract it from the config file. 09:44 eythian I (the packages) don't use that. 09:44 eythian oh 09:43 eythian ehm 09:43 mbalmer to make it worse, the script ist world-readable 09:41 mbalmer if I'm not mistaken, backup.sh calls mysqldump with the '-p' option, passing the password 09:40 eythian huh? 09:33 mbalmer hmm, the database password in plain in a script... 09:28 mbalmer the day will come when I can work fulltime on Koha. 09:28 mbalmer currently I am occupied with MARC stuff (with dpavlin}… so it will take time 09:27 mbalmer well, I guess you know what I mean. 09:26 eythian the regular installer doesn't create databases... 09:26 mbalmer aka, that is where I will eventually start from, the installer etc. 09:26 mbalmer sure, but creating the database is the first step to bring pg support. 09:25 eythian and right now untestable as koha itself doesn't support pg 09:25 eythian None of that should be terrible, but doing it will be a moderate amount of work. 09:25 eythian mbalmer: no, not install time. When you go 'koha-create' it needs to create db, create user, set up permissions, populate. 09:24 mbalmer you mean create a DB at install time? sounds easy. maybe an additional package for "PostgreSQL in Koha", so that the unaltered PostgreSQL Debian/Ubuntu package stll can be used. 09:23 mbalmer ok, mysqldump was there before your patch. I no longer oppose… (but will of course come back to this later) 09:22 eythian debian has a lot of nice hooks that make it easy to work with mysql (e.g. creating dbs, users, etc.) we'd need to find/implement the equivalent for pg 09:22 mbalmer oops, I changed the status, changed it back now 09:21 mbalmer so what is the problem with debian packaging? I could fix that, I guess (I do a lot of debian/ubuntu packaging) 09:21 eythian the only mention of mysql is where it modifies an already existing command line 09:21 eythian this isn't new mysql only functionality 09:20 mbalmer support postgresql is a goal and it was said that no new mysql only functionality should go in. 09:20 eythian it's not going to be done for this patch 09:20 eythian currently the packages integrated with debian's mysql management, all that would have to be changed anyway 09:20 magnuse +1 09:20 eythian there is no point putting a switch in when there's nothing to switch on 09:20 mbalmer so pg_dump can be added. 09:20 mbalmer just add a switch around the call of mysqldump. 09:19 eythian the more I look at it 09:19 magnuse yeah, we can't reject good functionality because koha might be able to support more databases some time in the future 09:19 eythian that said, the patch isn't really mysql dependent 09:19 eythian the packaging system currently expects mysql 09:19 mbalmer you can easily add a switch statement in the backup script 09:19 eythian it integrates with the packaging system 09:19 eythian no it isn't 09:18 mbalmer because it is very easy to do it right. 09:18 mbalmer no, it should be done right. 09:18 eythian there is no infrastructure for supporting other databases, so it's not possible to implement it generally without doing that. 09:17 eythian *than 09:17 eythian because it's more important to have it then to have it portable. 09:17 eythian mbalmer: 8268 should be signed off 09:17 mbalmer a better should be found to make it portable. 09:16 mbalmer it is mysql only. 09:16 mbalmer 8268 shoud not be signed off. 09:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should offer way to backup entire db 09:16 wahanui bug 8268 is ready for my sign off! 09:16 kf bug 8268 09:14 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 09:14 eythian @later tell jcamins re bz8268, we have a patch that does that internally (though everything was hardcoded so it wasn't suitable for upstreaming.) 08:45 eythian http://epiloguedoc.com/home.html <-- for the people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like. Probably most people here. 08:39 eythian I haven't noticed it, but my setup is a bit more custom, so I might not. 08:39 eythian Yeah, I dunno. Nobody else has reported it, but that's not really a good test :) 08:38 drojf if nobody else has this it may just be something on my end, don't know 08:37 drojf i got a key from you there 08:35 eythian apt-key list I think 08:34 drojf but i did not do that on the virtual machine anyway. can i somehow see if i imported the key there? 08:33 eythian it might, I don't know 08:32 drojf changes path = 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/' to access the directory directly. that may lead me around the key file, not sure 08:32 eythian The repo should complain at me if I try to add an unsigned package I think 08:31 eythian hmm OK 08:30 drojf eythian: i had it on the raspi, but i changed the path there so it may be because of this (no idea). but then i remembered that i had it also in a virtual machine. it was squeeze on both 08:29 eythian what repo distro are you using? 08:29 eythian so it might be a problem at your end :) 08:29 eythian drojf: though, koha-common should be. 08:29 eythian kf: this is early for me :) 08:28 eythian drojf: hmm, they might not be, I'll have to check that. 08:28 kf starting late? ;) 08:28 eythian hallo 08:28 kf hey eythian 08:24 mtj ... and a 'cc by 3.0' license which i ?think? is compatible with Koha's gpl-2 08:17 mtj oooh, shiny icons -> http://fortawesome.github.com/Font-Awesome/ 07:57 vfernandes hi guys 07:42 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 07:42 drojf @later tell eythian i got 'WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated" libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl libgravatar-url-perl koha-common'. Are they signed (with the key http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc)? 07:35 * ropuch submerges under a pile of books 07:35 ropuch Ok, enough of strange memories 07:34 ropuch But I remeber searching for "horseraddish" in dictionary as I wanted to explain something to the family we were working for 07:34 * magnuse wanders off to breakfast 07:34 magnuse why not? if you had pizza for example... 07:33 ropuch hehe 07:33 magnuse ropuch: those are certainly important words ;-) 07:33 ropuch Not sure why, iI bet I didn't eat garlic in Norway ;> 07:33 drojf lol 07:32 ropuch And from all the words I could remember løk and hvitløk are the only ones ;> 07:31 magnuse hehe 07:31 ropuch Our routes were strange back there ;> 07:30 magnuse hehe 07:30 ropuch The name does ring a bell though 07:30 magnuse drojf: yeah, that would help 07:30 ropuch magnuse: I'm looking at the map of Norway atm, but I'm not sure relly 07:30 drojf not if we hunt and fish ourselves. and make our own alcohol :D 07:30 ropuch You mean Nordkapp? ;-) 07:29 magnuse expensive, though... 07:29 * magnuse would like that too, some day 07:29 magnuse ropuch: if you were driving north you wuold have to take a detour from Fauske to get to Bodø 07:28 * drojf would like a kohacon in the far north 07:27 drojf hi clrh 07:27 ropuch Bodø - I'm pretty sure we pass through it on our way to Narvik 07:27 magnuse bonjour clrh 07:27 magnuse yeah, march is a good month for snow here... 07:26 clrh hello 07:26 magnuse yay! 07:26 drojf i have been there two years ago in march and there was a lot of snow 07:24 magnuse it's ok, could have been warmer at this time of the year 07:24 drojf sounds warm for bodø ;) 07:23 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 07:23 magnuse @wunder boo 07:23 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.1°C (9:13 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:23 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 07:22 drojf heh 07:22 magnuse yup 07:22 magnuse s/jag/jeg/ 07:22 drojf its probably jeg though :D 07:22 drojf yeah, jag snakker norsk :D 07:22 magnuse subtle and unimportant differences... 07:22 magnuse drojf: correct! ;-) 07:21 drojf magnuse: yeah. i guess it would be "hei" in norwegian? 07:21 kf god morgen magnuse, guten morgen drojf 07:21 magnuse drojf: that sounded swedish :-) 07:21 drojf moin kf :) 07:21 drojf hej magnuse 07:20 magnuse hiya drojf 07:20 drojf good morning #koha 07:17 magnuse kia ora kf 07:17 kf good morning #koha 07:14 * magnuse waves 07:06 ropuch Liar! ;> 07:06 huginn ropuch: The current temperature in Wroclaw, Poland is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:06 ropuch @wunder Wroclaw 07:02 gaetan_B hello ! 06:40 wahanui hey, reiveune 06:40 reiveune hello 06:37 cait the airport code :) 06:34 alex_a lol 06:34 alex_a EDI ? 06:34 huginn cait: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 12.8°C (7:29 AM BST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 06:34 cait @wunder EDI 06:33 huginn alex_a: Error: No such location could be found. 06:33 alex_a @wunder edimburgh 06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.3°C (8:30 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 06:33 cait @wunder konstanz 06:32 alex_a fait chaud ! 06:32 huginn alex_a: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 24.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on June 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). 06:31 alex_a @wunder marseille 06:31 cait :) 06:30 alex_a salut cait :) 06:30 cait bonjour alex_a 06:26 alex_a bonjour ! 06:25 cait morning 06:24 mbalmer morning 06:09 cait hi ropuch :) 06:02 ropuch Good morning #koha 05:15 Oak :) 05:09 cait good morning Mr Arslan 05:06 Oak good morning Miss Katrin 04:09 Oak kia ora #koha 02:59 Brooke hehehe 02:59 Space_Librarian yes. that is a head being beaten by a baguette. 02:59 Space_Librarian o\ 02:58 Brooke o/ 02:42 rangi slowly yep 02:42 ibeardslee rangi: catching back up to the timezone? 02:28 rangi *sigh*