Time Nick Message
04:23 whois hi all
04:24 whois please help me!
04:56 mtj whois: ok!
05:53 mtj twitter's bookstrap = Koha's next gui framework? :)
05:53 mtj -> http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/index.html
05:54 mtj and a bunch of additional bootstrap themes, too -> http://bootswatch.com/
05:55 cait I think oleonard was talking abou tbootstrap to replace yui grid
05:55 mtj owen is a wise man! :)
05:56 mtj its easily the best thing for the job, atm
05:57 cait :)
06:07 cait morning matts
06:08 matts hi cait !
06:12 cait :)
06:17 cait morning mbalmer
06:17 mbalmer morning cait, koha
06:22 cait morning francharb
06:22 cait :)
06:23 francharb morning cait
06:23 francharb morning #koha
06:25 marcelr hi koha
06:26 cait morning marcelr :)
06:27 marcelr :-)
06:28 mbalmer is the koha interface to the indexer(s) documented? i.e. how Zebra or Solr is plugged into Koha?
06:28 cait I think there is a page about solr on the wiki
06:29 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Documentation
06:29 cait and there is a bug now with a poc for solr
06:30 cait http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Switch_to_Solr_RFC
06:31 mbalmer replacing a zebra with a monster … ;P
06:32 cait I think the goal is to let you choose your monster :)
06:32 mbalmer but the interface seems to be well-defined at first sight
06:32 magnuse nope, not replacing zebra
06:33 mbalmer yes, that makes sense.
06:33 cait mbalmer: you might want to look up the bug, rangi signed off on it and it maybe pushed soon (I hope it will)
06:33 mbalmer well, with a well defined interface from Koha to *A* search engine, it should be well possible to change or add indexers
06:34 magnuse bug8233
06:34 magnuse bug 8233
06:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
06:34 cait magnuse: ts, now you were just a second faster than me :)
06:34 mbalmer cait, I don't want to run Solr yet
06:34 alex_a bonjour
06:34 cait mbalmer: not talking about using it, but you can study the nterface
06:34 mbalmer yes.
06:35 cait I only wanted to point out, that there is already an implementation to look at
06:35 mbalmer I put me on the CC list of that bug, thanks for pointing me at it
06:36 cait ok
06:36 cait work time
06:36 cait bbl
06:36 magnuse guess bug 5360 could/should be marked as a duplicate of 8233?
06:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5360 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , From Zebra to solR
06:36 cait hm
06:36 cait maybe not up to date any longer
06:37 cait because we decided not to switch, but have multiple options
06:37 mbalmer magnuse, it's indeed somewhat superseeeded by 8233
06:38 mbalmer me and some others hope that there will be a third choice, but we are still waiting for the proof of concept.
06:39 magnuse what would the third choice be?
06:40 mbalmer well, if it works, a less ressource hungry indexer that does not need java and indexes automatically
06:40 mbalmer but as I said, I don't know if it will work.
06:41 magnuse ah, got a concrete indexer in mind?
06:42 mbalmer using an SQL database with support functions for bibliographic data.
06:42 magnuse ah, got it
06:43 mbalmer but no one knows yet a) if it works, and b) if it is fast, and c) if it is flexible enough
06:46 magnuse we live in interesting times ;-)
06:47 mbalmer say no more, say no more, ....
06:50 reiveune hello
06:51 mbalmer bonjour reiveune!
06:51 reiveune salut marc :)
06:56 julian_m hello
06:59 gaetan_B hello !
07:13 sophie_m hi #koha
07:18 clrh hello
07:19 mtj hiya clrh
07:20 mtj mbalmer: the big advantage with solr over... well everything really... is it's many CJK packages
07:21 paul_p good morning #koha
07:23 mtj ... and i would be extremely happy to be proved incorrect, too
07:25 mtj bonjour biblibrians
07:27 mbalmer CJK packages?
07:27 mtj go on... google it ;)
07:28 mbalmer ah, chinese and so on.
07:28 mbalmer in german it also means creautzdel-jakob disease...
07:29 mbalmer gotta run, bbl...
07:30 mtj looks like postgres has some cjk support with tsearch2
07:31 mtj thats some good news!
07:32 * marcelr looking at Can't locate Text/Unaccent.pm in @INC
07:41 * marcelr and Can't load '/usr/local/lib64/perl5/auto/Text/Unaccent/Unaccent.so' for module Text::Unaccent: /usr/local/lib64/perl5/auto/Text/Unaccent/Unaccent.so: failed to map segment from shared object
07:42 hdl I would rather use Text::Undiacritic.
07:43 hdl But that's me.
07:43 marcelr yes, someone else thought differently ;)
07:50 hdl marcelr: apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl ?
07:50 marcelr it was a selinux error; wrong label on library file
07:50 marcelr thx
08:25 whois hi all
08:25 whois please help me?
08:26 whois Sorry, none of these items can be placed on hold.
08:27 whois while the book was available for loan
08:31 eythian whois: that probably means you don't have the correct holds rules
08:31 eythian often it's things like not having set a maximum number, so it defaults to 0 in the circulation rules.
08:32 whois to eythian: you can login and test: tinphu.no-ip.info
08:32 eythian hello wahanui
08:32 wahanui hola, eythian
08:33 eythian whois: I can't right now, I have a big pile of work to catch up on. However, I'd suggest reviewing your circulation rules relating to holds, that's what the problem is 99% of the time.
08:36 drojf good day #koha
08:36 kf hi #koha
08:36 drojf hi kf :)
08:36 kf hi drojf :)
08:36 kf hi mveron :)
08:36 marcelr hi drojf kf
08:36 drojf hi mveron
08:36 kf hi marcelr :)
08:37 marcelr hi mveron
08:37 drojf wow a wave of german speakers
08:37 mveron hi kf and drojf and marcelr
08:37 drojf hi marcelr
08:37 marcelr german or dutch
08:38 drojf yeah
08:38 kf :)
08:38 kf nice!
08:38 kf oh...only 1123 mails without mailing lists in my inbox
08:38 mveron Wat leuk :-)
08:39 drojf1 hm
08:39 drojf1 network fun again
08:40 drojf1 ah just got a new ip
08:40 whois please guide me how to configure for a book in circulation and can place hold?
08:40 drojf1 whois: have you looked at the documentation?
08:59 whois I am a Vietnam
08:59 whois document the flow of koha 3.8.0 I do not understand
08:59 whois hope you help me with the most concise way
09:05 whois one can not fail, helps me with
09:07 kf whois: I think easiest is starting on the administration page, work down from top to bottom
09:07 kf and check the help pages for the sides, there is a ? in the top corner
09:07 kf also manual?
09:07 kf documentation?
09:07 wahanui documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
09:10 whois You can visit my administration: tinphu.no-ip.info: 8080
09:10 kf whois: sorry, but your eally have to start with some of the documentation
09:10 kf we can't guide you step by step to all configuration
09:11 drojf is there a support company that covers vietnam?
09:14 drojf from the 2% translation i would say no
09:14 kf someone recently started translation
09:14 kf there were mails to the mailing list
09:16 whois the OPAC we translate all, here you see: tinphu.no-ip.info
10:10 kf @wunder Konstanz
10:10 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
10:12 eythian @wunder brighton
10:12 huginn eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
10:12 eythian @wunder brighton, uk
10:12 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 14.3°C (11:00 AM BST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:13 eythian that's not summer!
10:15 kf heh
10:15 kf it's warm here :)
10:15 magnuse @wunder boo
10:15 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
10:15 kf and sunny, you are just in the wrong place!
10:16 kf eythian: how is work in brighton? )
10:16 * magnuse imagines eythian scooting around europe, searching for summer
10:17 kf heh
10:17 kf and now he is not talking to us... ts.
10:17 lamiette hey, Brighton does get sunny and awesome! we've had summer #1 (back in May) and we'll have summer #2 in aug/sept :)
10:18 kf hi lamiette :)
10:18 eythian kf: it's pretty good
10:18 eythian magnuse: that's my plan ;)
10:18 lamiette hi kf
10:19 magnuse eythian: yay!
10:23 magnuse eythian: sis you see this? http://act.yapc.eu/mtmh2012/index.html
10:23 magnuse s/sis/did/
10:23 eythian magnuse: I did.
10:24 eythian However, the timing is a little bad for me
10:25 eythian http://act.yapc.eu/ye2012/ <-- magnuse, I am hoping to make this though
10:29 magnuse cool
10:30 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
10:30 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.6°C (12:13 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
10:31 magnuse there's your summer, eythian
10:31 drojf so i did not miss this year's week of summer :)
10:31 eythian magnuse: konstanz also looked pretty good, and I'll be going there.
10:31 eythian @wunder marseille
10:31 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 28.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:31 eythian also going there...
10:31 drojf when? :P
10:31 eythian over the course of the next two months
10:32 drojf if summer will last that long…
10:32 eythian hush
10:32 mtj eythian: is there anywhere you *aren't* going in the next 2 months? :p
10:33 eythian not if I can help it :)
10:34 magnuse hehe
10:34 mtj i miss eythian already... :(
10:34 eythian Is hashigo feeling a bit too empty?
10:36 mtj yes, it's nothing without your smiley little face :)
10:36 eythian how creepy :)
10:38 mtj heh, yeah - that was a bit creepy :p
10:47 kf lol
10:48 Oak Ahoy me hearties
10:48 kf hi Oak
10:49 Oak hello kf :)
10:51 Oak kf, does your employer make koha brochures for clients? I need to see some Koha brochures...
10:51 kf we do,... but they are german :)
10:52 Oak that's okay. link please?
10:52 Oak or email...
10:59 Oak i meant german is fine, i'd like to see them. kf,
11:00 kf maybe check some of the english speaking companies too?
11:01 kf [off] http://swop.bsz-bw.de/volltexte/2012/995/
11:01 Oak sure... will do. what does [off] mean?
11:02 Oak off topic?
11:03 kf not in the logs :)
11:03 Oak ah
11:03 kf hiding from google
11:04 Oak um, but why?
11:04 wahanui but why are you even looking at backports?
11:05 Oak never mind. will annoy later.
11:16 * eythian notes that when going through the web installer, there are two parts that claim to give you some Z39.50 servers.
11:17 kf wrong description maybe?
11:17 kf the description for the sample libraries is wrong too
11:17 kf there is something mentioned aobut hardcoded library types or something
11:18 eythian yeah
11:18 eythian I didn't know what that was talking about
11:18 * kf volunteers eythian to write a patch :P
11:18 kf hi Viktor! :)
11:18 * kf = Katrin
11:18 Viktor Hi Katrin! Nice to see you
11:19 kf ah, phew, for a second I wondered if I you are the Viktor from Sweden :)
11:19 Viktor I said I´d try to get a little more involved on the IRC :)
11:19 kf and so you do, glad to see you here :)
11:19 Viktor :)
11:19 Viktor Anything new? Did you get well for the hackfest?
11:20 kf ah, it was ok, the first day was not so good, after that mostly ok
11:20 Viktor Nice to hear you did'nt miss the whole thing at least.
11:21 eythian kf: I'll add it to my queue of Things to Do
11:21 kf eythian: that sounds not very promising... if your list is like mine :)
11:21 kf brb
11:21 eythian I think it may be
11:22 Viktor By the way - is there any other place to look for documentation of the circulation rules than the manual?
11:23 Viktor I'm trying to set up some rules that's not the standard "5 bucks / week and item"
11:24 Viktor (it´s the fees I´m having problems with)
11:24 Viktor Welcome Guest365
11:25 eythian Viktor: you'll have to say what you're trying to do, some things can be done, others can't.
11:26 Viktor Ok - here goes: there's two main set of rules. One set of fine rules for free media and one for paid media.
11:27 Viktor Free media: After a week I want to charge 50 SEK regardless of how many items are late.
11:27 eythian I don't think you can do that kind of thing
11:27 eythian at least, without making a patch ;)
11:27 Viktor But if there are holds on the media (still the free ones) I want to charge from day one they are overdue.
11:28 Viktor Shame, but that is sort of what I started to think myself.
11:28 Viktor Or that I´m just missing obvious things again :)
11:29 eythian I think there's a billion different combinations that people _could_ have for fines, however most people just want the fairly simple defaults.
11:29 eythian It'd require quite an overhaul to allow the more complex stuff.
11:29 Viktor So I might have to look into how much trouble a patch wold be I guess :)
11:29 eythian I think writing something general would be quite hard, but I'd still encourage you to try.
11:30 eythian There may also be a few simple things you can add that'll do what you need.
11:30 Viktor I´d love to learn some Perl - and my goal is to get at least one line of code into Koha this year :)
11:31 eythian good goal :)
11:31 Viktor But I´ll think I´ll have to get some money together to buy the development from my vendor.
11:31 Viktor Yes :)
11:32 Viktor I´ve mostly played with Python lately, but Perl should be doable I guess. But it´s a lot of learning with the whole infrastructure around Koha like server administration.
11:33 eythian yeah, there are a lot of moving parts
11:35 kf back :)
11:36 kf ah fines
11:36 kf libsysguy is working on a rewrite, but I am not sure how far h eis
11:36 kf I think there is a script to do static fines in master now
11:36 kf that might work for the rule you want independent on the number of items
11:37 kf perhaps check bugzilla - I think it was "static fine" or something similar
11:37 Viktor Thanks kf!
11:37 kf but I think there is nothign yet to distinguish between items that are overdue with/without holds
11:38 kf espresso time bbiab
11:38 Viktor Ok, but still I´d guess it´s a lot easier to add that then to write the whole stuff yourself :)
11:38 kf I think maybe talk to libsysguy
11:39 kf heis starting to work on that, so if there is an additional requirement he might be interested
11:39 matts http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6858
11:39 huginn 04Bug 6858: normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing
11:39 kf there is also something on the wiki about a notice rewrite
11:39 Viktor Looks very promising!
11:42 Viktor Yes - I think it´ll take us close to what we want to do.
11:43 Viktor Thanks again!
11:44 Viktor Which proves (again) that the community is a huge part of Koha :)
11:47 * jcamins supposes that his solution to bug 8264 probably won't make most IE users happy.
11:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , local cover images not working in IE8
12:00 neo_ is any document regarding running koha web over https ?
12:01 Viktor Sorry but I don´t have any experience with that. But there are lot´s of people who do know Koha really well here so I hope someone knows.
12:02 jcamins neo_: as far as I know, it's just a matter of turning on HTTPS in your VirtualHost.
12:02 juan_sieira neo_
12:03 juan_sieira you can see a example here, it's only a virtualhost over 443: http://fer2401.net84.net/ssl
12:03 neo_ so there won't be other issues, right ?
12:03 neo_ yes
12:03 juan_sieira you have to generate your pem files and thats it, similar to other projects
12:07 neo_ yep, thank you juan_sieira and jcamins
12:08 nengard jcamins what is the solution to bug 8264 ?
12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , local cover images not working in IE8
12:08 nengard as much as I hate IE - don't we make an effort to make the OPAC work in as many browsers as possible?
12:09 jcamins nengard: "do without, or pay me to care."
12:10 nengard well that's okay :)
12:10 nengard as long as it's not - we won't fix it :)
12:11 jcamins nengard: nah, I'd be happy to fix it, but local cover images was not something that I was paid to do.
12:11 nengard got it
12:11 drojf nengard: i would not consider IE a browser :P
12:11 nengard I'm with you!!
12:11 jcamins If I knew how to do it off the top of my head, I'd tell you, and you could go fix it.
12:11 nengard but I can't convince paying customers of that
12:12 drojf make them pay more to make it work in IE ;)
12:12 nengard well, it is the OPAC - we make them all use FF for the staff client, but we have no control over their patrons
12:13 drojf ok that's a point
12:13 drojf damn patrons, always a hassle :D
12:14 nengard webinar time ? be back later
12:14 * jcamins still charges more.
12:14 jcamins drojf: to be perfectly honest, I don't mind those clients so much... I would like Koha to work perfectly on IE.
12:16 drojf jcamins: yes it should be browser agnostic and just work for everyone, in theory
12:19 oleonard Hi #koha
12:20 drojf hi oleonard
12:21 kylemhall I have a couple patches for bug 8110 that need signed-off. It's a blocker level bug.
12:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, savitra.sirohi, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
12:25 wizzyrea kylemhall: I may get to that today
12:33 kylemhall wizzyrea: excellent!
12:34 eythian http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/new-internet-explorer-7-tax/ <-- jcamins
12:38 jcamins Heh.
12:38 jcamins That's the way to do it.
12:48 oleonard I was curious about Bug 8264, but find I can't test it because I can't upload a local cover image
12:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8264 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , local cover images not working in IE8
12:51 marcelr Bug 8263 to get the number of sysprefs one down :-)
12:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
12:52 jcamins oleonard: why can't you upload a local cover image?
12:54 oleonard jcamins: Uh oh, looks like that's an IE problem too.
12:55 oleonard After clicking "upload file" IE reloads the page but doesn't show the option to say whether it's a single image, etc.
12:55 jcamins Ah.
12:57 jcamins oleonard: I suggest uploading with a web browser, then testing the OPAC with IE.
12:57 drojf lol
12:58 jcamins drojf: what? Like the way I smoothly suggested a web browser for uploading? :)
12:58 drojf i do :)
12:59 oleonard FWIW, IE9 looks the same as FF, but not quite right: The local cover image with the "no cover image" box below it.
12:59 oleonard nengard's screenshot looks like a javascript problem, but I don't have IE8 to test with
13:00 jcamins oleonard: I would be willing to bet that IE8 has issues with Google Books covers too, since the local cover image Javascript is shamelessly copy-and-pasted.
13:06 magnuse Oak
13:07 Oak magnuse
13:07 Oak :)
13:07 magnuse yay!
13:10 schuster Are the ISBN 10 - 13 searches working in 3. 6.5? for some reason it is only bringing up exact and not checking for both.
13:13 jcamins schuster: I didn't think there was any implementation of the proposed ISBN 10/13 conversion.
13:13 jcamins I can tell you that won't be going into 3.6.x if it is implemented, though.
13:13 jcamins Too much chance of it breaking things.
13:16 schuster Can you tell if this is a required module? Business::ISBN ? it shows when I look at PERL Dependencies, but I am not seeing that on my current install.
13:17 jcamins Yes it is.
13:18 schuster So what do people "match" on when loading MARC records?
13:18 eythian if you wanted to show title and subtitle in overdue notices, how would you go about it?
13:18 jcamins schuster: lots of places use ISBN.
13:18 eythian I'm thinking of hacking a 'biblio.fulltitle' into the notices template
13:19 schuster But if they don't match exactly it doesn't match - 10 /13 problem.
13:19 eythian because there's no db field for subtitle, and no way to express logic to make it look good even if there were.
13:20 jcamins schuster: that is correct. If you are using OCLC, I prefer OCLC number.
13:20 jcamins But I am in a very small minority.
13:20 * drojf just had a loading time of ~11 seconds for the opac page on the raspberry pi with plack
13:20 drojf i see tiny libraries coming
13:21 eythian libraries for mice!
13:21 schuster We do not use OCLC. I thought this was working in an earlier version - Way back in 3.0 we had done development on this and I thought it had made it to general community code...
13:22 drojf eythian: with tiny books on cheese
13:23 jcamins schuster: the feature was not in 3.2.
13:25 jcamins (but could conceivably have been included in 3.0 but not master, I suppose)
13:26 oleonard schuster: Was there a bug in Bugzilla for it?
13:29 oleonard Hm, okay looks like this power outage is going to outlast my UPS.
13:29 oleonard Back later I hope.
13:41 tcohen mornin' #koha
13:41 Viktor Morning :)
13:42 magnuse hiya tcohen and Viktor
13:42 Viktor (or good evening as I´d call it where i am)
13:42 Viktor :)
13:42 tcohen where Viktor? :-D
13:42 Viktor Sweden.
13:42 Viktor You?
13:42 wahanui You are our ladybug cait or free to add the features you need.. just saying..
13:42 jcamins wahanui: forget you
13:42 wahanui jcamins: I forgot you
13:42 jcamins You?
13:43 tcohen Cordoba, Argentina
13:43 Viktor Hi magnuse
13:43 drojf Viktor: <4pm is evening already in sweden?
13:45 Viktor Yep - going home soon :)
13:45 Viktor But I have to write some mail for magnuse first
13:45 jcamins Right, that's it, I'm moving to Sweden!
13:45 jcamins :)
13:45 Viktor :)
13:46 Viktor It´s cold, but your'e quite welcome to move here :)
13:46 magnuse hehe
13:46 drojf there is not much koha in sweden as of yet, right?
13:46 drojf so plenty of libraries for everyone ;)
13:47 Viktor drojf No sadly not, but it´s picking up speed a bit I think.
13:47 magnuse where i used to work we worked 8am-3pm in summer (3 months) and 8am-3.45pm for the rest of the year
13:47 magnuse Viktor is doing a great job on fixing that drojf :-)
13:47 Viktor That's good magnuse
13:47 Viktor :)
13:48 drojf Viktor: are you librarian/libtechnician or vendor?
13:48 Viktor It struck me that I should provide you with a "we have to afford at least this or it's no go" with the signs magnuse
13:49 Viktor drojf I'm with the Regional development council in Halland (a region of Sweden)
13:49 Viktor Started out as nerd who became librarian.
13:49 drojf nice :)
13:50 Viktor Now I'm working with all the stuff that libraries dont have time to think about. Like control of the code.
13:50 Viktor And you?
13:50 drojf i work at a special library at humboldt university in berlin
13:51 drojf more the techside, like you
13:51 Viktor Nice :)
13:51 Viktor How long have you been on Koha? (if you are)
13:52 drojf we are not live yet. ugly old database to import
13:53 Viktor Sound like "fun"
13:53 drojf heh
13:53 Viktor Migration can be a pain I understand.
13:54 Viktor The one I've done so far was easy - they had no circulation going :)
13:54 drojf yes, our data is weirdly structured. or not structured at all :D
13:57 Viktor What system are you using today?
13:57 drojf some selfbuilt filemaker thing that somebody made to replace the old paper catalogue years ago
13:58 Viktor I see. We have a academic library here running a Filemaker system they built themselves here.
13:58 magnuse that *does* sound like fun ;-)
13:59 kf dpavlin: is your plack presentationonline somewhere? :)
13:59 Viktor It´s called "ProBib"
13:59 drojf Viktor: tell them to use koha ;)
13:59 drojf kf: from kohacon? it is, somewhere
13:59 drojf no they did not do plack there
13:59 drojf heh
13:59 drojf confused
13:59 wahanui confused is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
14:00 tcohen bug 8251
14:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Signed Off , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
14:00 dpavlin kf: I don't think I had *presentation* I showed plack and performance wiki page, and all info should be there somewhere
14:01 tcohen is there a list of bugs that need atention so 3.8.x becomes stable?
14:01 jcamins tcohen: there's a list called FIXME NOW.
14:01 Viktor I'll certainly ask them :) They have taken an interest in Koha, but I don't think they are up for throwing out their custom system just like that. They built a lot of other internal workflow into it.
14:01 jcamins http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=FIXME%20NOW&sharer_id=1&list_id=33480
14:02 drojf Viktor: but it's probably all stuff you can do with koha, only differently i suppose?
14:02 kf drojf: didn't you meet viktor in edi?
14:03 drojf no must have missed him
14:04 drojf too many new people for my little brain
14:09 drojf can i upload a png to the wiki?
14:12 drojf dpavlin: http://i.imgur.com/wmIrf.png \o/
14:14 Viktor KohaCon was great - but I didn't either get to know everybody. But the group photo was a good idea. Let's med remember many names and faces.
14:14 asaurat1 I remember you, Viktor =)
14:14 asaurat1 (I think so)
14:14 asaurat1 you're from Sweden ?
14:15 mbalmer bbl..
14:15 drojf asaurat: easy for you, you did not need to learn the names of all the people from your company ;)
14:15 asaurat loll
14:16 Viktor Yep! asaurat :)
14:17 dpavlin drojf: You can upload attachment to wiki, I manage to insert image into performance page.
14:18 kf dpavlin: heya :)
14:18 kf slides for plack?
14:18 magnuse Viktor: did you talk to people at kohacon about the digital signs?
14:18 kf want to show my sysadmin :)
14:18 dpavlin kf: I don't think I had *presentation* I showed plack and performance wiki page, and all info should be there somewhere
14:19 drojf dpavlin: ok, but i will write up plack on raspberry pi somewhen later, need to get some sun first.
14:21 dpavlin kf: http://blog.rot13.org/koha/koha-plack-debug.ogv is overview of development tools which are in state of flux, and not yet in upstream
14:21 jcamins dpavlin: have you looked at C4::Context?
14:21 vfernandes hi Koha community... there is any UNIMARC plugins for 100$a authority?
14:22 dpavlin jcamins: yap. I have half-baked Koha which replaces memoize and memcache with chi variants, but that's probably not what you are asking...
14:22 jcamins It seems to me that we could make Plack start up a lot more efficiently if we didn't have that horrible BEGIN { } block and ->new() getting called every time the file is used.
14:23 dpavlin jcamins: but that would change our cgi compatibility up to some point, right?
14:23 jcamins dpavlin: no, just check whether we need to call ->new() prior to calling it.
14:24 jcamins I might be misunderstanding how it works, but I think that Plack is recreating the Context object every time it opens a new page, just like CGI.
14:26 jcamins (not necessarily for every request, but for every page)
14:27 Viktor Bye - see you another day. Got to go home.
14:30 kf dpavlin: I thnk you showed some pictures...
14:30 dpavlin jcamins: I agree. Will have to see what I can do wile preserving CGI compatibility
14:31 * dpavlin leaves his keyboard to go to coffee with sister, sorry. BRB
14:31 * jcamins thinks that leaving one's keyboard is an excellent idea.
14:32 * magnuse leaves his keyboard to make dinner
14:32 * drojf leaves his keyboard to see the sun :)
14:32 drojf a lot of unattended keyboards in #koha
14:33 * wajasu attends to his keyboard
14:34 * wajasu waits as remove_items_from _biblioitems is run .........................
14:35 * kf is downloading debian
14:38 jcamins kf: oh?
14:38 eythian can anyone tell me what the UNIMARC title and subtitle fields are (245$a and $b in MARC21)
14:38 tcohen anyone can explain the nature of bug 8071, i'm willing to test the patch but not sure haw to do it
14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8071 blocker, P1 - high, ---, henridamien.laurent, Needs Signoff , link beween bib and authorities with the authid
14:39 * wajasu rebuild zebra index
14:39 kf jcamins: new vb for koha dev at work :)
14:39 kf eythian: I think maybe 200
14:39 kf unimarc documenation?
14:39 kf unimarc?
14:39 wahanui hmmm... unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation
14:39 kf tcohen: I asked the same question on the bug :(
14:40 tcohen yeah, i know
14:40 tcohen maybe hdl?
14:40 eythian oh goodie, a pdf
14:41 jcamins Yay!
14:41 jcamins eythian: 200$something
14:42 eythian jcamins: yeah, 200$a is title, but I can't see an equivalent for 245$b
14:43 vfernandes 200$a title... 200$e subtitle
14:44 eythian "Other Title Information" ... sounds plausible, I'll go with that.
14:44 eythian thanks vfernandes
14:44 vfernandes anyone can help me with this: there is any UNIMARC plugins for 100$a authority?
14:45 jcamins vfernandes: no idea, sorry.
14:45 * tcohen re-reads his previous posts, and belives he has to abandon coffee for a few days. English getting worse!
14:45 vfernandes thanks anyway jcamins :)
14:46 kf vfernandes: I thought there was one - does it not show up in the plugin list
14:46 kf ?
14:46 kf ah, authority, I think I am confusing with bibliographic :(
14:47 vfernandes for biblio there one... but the 100$a in the authorities are completely different of the biblio :/
14:48 jcamins vfernandes: hdl would know, probably.
14:48 jcamins Or francharb.
14:48 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke.
14:48 jcamins Uhhh... what?
14:49 kf jcamins: stories from India I think
14:49 jcamins Ah.
15:02 ropuch Good morning :)
15:08 jcamins paul_p: did my answer on bug 6557 clarify?
15:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , biblioitems.totalissues unused
15:10 paul_p hi jcamins, nope i'm a little bit late pushing those days :\
15:11 jcamins paul_p: that's okay. I just want to make sure that my reasoning makes sense.
15:11 kf ropuch: hi :)
15:11 jcamins (to you... I know it makes sense to me;)
15:12 ropuch Hello kf [;
15:13 ropuch I've just installed 3.8 (highest version used so far was 3.4)
15:13 ropuch I was little suprised by the look of intranet home page
15:13 jcamins ropuch: yes, one of the features in 3.8 was a redesigned staff client.
15:14 kf ropuch: it's still koha, no worries .)
15:14 clrh rangi: thanks for 8233 - so important for us :)
15:15 kf rangi++ clrh++ :)
15:15 hdl tcohen: the problem comes from BNF biblio records and authorities. They add $9 " 0 " in elements linked to authorities.
15:15 hdl And then, when authorities are linked and displayed...
15:16 hdl the $9 gets the user to authority "0"
15:16 hdl So this is a bad behaviour. And quite anoying.
15:18 hdl jcamins: vfernandes mmm no 100$a plugin for authority that I know of...
15:18 hdl vfernandes: same for UNIMARC leader btw
15:21 vfernandes thanks hdl
15:25 * wajasu upgraded from v3.1 to v3.8, works ok.
15:29 neo_ hi
15:29 wahanui que tal, neo_
15:29 neo_ i have encountered some error , trying to configure ssl for koha
15:29 wizzyrea bug 8233
15:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
15:30 neo_ i think some rewrite rule error
15:30 wizzyrea ooh crlh++ rangi++
15:30 pastebot "neo_" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "https error of koha" (32 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/1
15:38 wajasu i am able to use sshfs from debian to mount my host OS koha git clone. so i patch/code in my host with all my tools, and run the koha web app in dev mode no problem.
15:39 jcamins wajasu: yeah, I've been thinking I might adopt that method, too.
15:40 mtj yeah, its how i'm doing it too...
15:40 wajasu i did a perl Makefile.PL dev environemnt with no problem from my VM.
15:40 wajasu ok. we have quorum.
15:41 mtj i was getting lots of 'VM disk is too small' errors too
15:41 wajasu i put a colorized bash prompt for git, and it tells me if i have changed things in my branch, and reports the brnch i am in.
15:41 jcamins mtj: I have /home on a separate virtual disk.
15:42 mtj jcamins: yep, thats the one :)
15:43 wajasu i used -oidmap=user,uid=1000,Ciphers=arcfour
15:44 wajasu so whn i change the branch on my hostOS (or separate VM in your case), i can skip through patch environments.
15:46 wajasu i was able to build the koha-common deb package too.
15:47 jcamins Did you find a way to deal with the fakeroot?
15:47 wajasu i must have
15:47 jcamins I guess that means you're not sure what it was? :)
15:48 eythian fakeroot has issues when mounted over some network filesystems
15:48 jcamins eythian: yeah, we discovered that.
15:48 eythian I can't run it on NFS, for example
15:48 eythian that's why pdebuild is handy, it uses a chroot to build in.
15:49 jcamins Apparently wajasu managed to do it on his system, though.
15:49 wajasu i added koha ALL=(ALL) ALL just under the one for root in /etc/sudoers and things ran through. To get some root capability
15:49 wajasu i ran as koha user
15:50 eythian yeah, I do the sudo thing too
15:50 eythian oh, I also add nopasswd:
15:50 eythian (for my dev environment)
15:51 wajasu i hadn't done the no password thing yet.
15:51 pastebot "neo_" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Working SSL configuration for Koha on CentOS 6.2" (232 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2
15:52 neo_ that is a working config for koha ssl
15:52 wajasu but i bumped my VM to 5G.
15:52 jcamins neo_: I'm impressed that you got Koha working under CentOS in the first place!
15:52 jcamins neo++
15:53 neo_ yes jcamins , with your help of course
15:54 neo_ now i am going to implement in the production server
15:55 wajasu i had to build with the fakeroot in /tmp i think. let me try again.
16:09 kf eythian: are you still working?
16:09 eythian yep
16:13 kf @wunder Konstanz
16:13 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 30.0°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
16:13 koha_pune hello all, I wanna fetch title, author from items table where borrower number is = 1 however I am not able to see any relationship btw items and borrowes table... I saw some forums joining table issues, statistics however no data maitained in those tables... any tips
16:14 jcamins sql reports library?
16:14 wahanui it has been said that sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
16:14 jcamins ^^ you should look there
16:14 koha_pune okay...lets have a look
16:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
16:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 33.2°C (6:00 PM CEST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling).
16:15 drojf thunderstorm coming up
16:16 koha_pune guys, in the section 'List of all items currently borrowed from another library' we can see that they join PK and FK from table 'issues'
16:16 koha_pune now the question would be
16:17 koha_pune what if there is no data maintained in the issues table ?
16:17 koha_pune any workaround to that
16:17 koha_pune ???
16:17 jcamins No, if you don't have any issues, you don't have any issues.
16:17 koha_pune I m not talkin about having issues...
16:17 drojf heh
16:17 koha_pune there can be no issues always in some situation
16:18 koha_pune the idea is to get data
16:18 koha_pune related to items and borrowers
16:18 koha_pune and not related to issues...
16:18 drojf "title, author from items table where borrower number is = 1"
16:18 drojf how should there be a situation like this without issues?
16:18 jcamins koha_pune: there is no relationship between items and borrowers.
16:18 jcamins Borrowers = people who borrow books (or catalog them)
16:18 koha_pune why it would be ?
16:18 koha_pune yep
16:18 koha_pune right
16:18 koha_pune however in my case
16:18 jcamins Items = physical books in a collection.
16:18 koha_pune 3 people r cataloging
16:19 koha_pune almost 100entries per day per user
16:19 wizzyrea the first question?
16:19 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
16:19 koha_pune and issues are not reflecting the same
16:19 koha_pune the aim is to get data
16:19 koha_pune related to borrowers and items
16:19 koha_pune I saw the PK and FK maitain
16:20 koha_pune btw issues and items
16:20 jcamins koha_pune: what data do you want?
16:20 koha_pune now my 3 guys
16:20 koha_pune data like
16:20 koha_pune lets make it simple
16:20 koha_pune title and author only
16:20 koha_pune and as u advised
16:20 koha_pune I fired the query given on wiki
16:20 koha_pune to the table
16:20 jcamins Title and author of *what*?
16:21 wizzyrea bbiab
16:21 koha_pune under table items joined with bbiab
16:22 jcamins koha_pune: there is no title and author information associated with titems.
16:22 jcamins *items
16:22 koha_pune I know that
16:22 koha_pune and after joining with biblio and biblioitems
16:22 koha_pune we can get it - right
16:22 jcamins That information is in biblio. It is easy to get that out. The question you have to ask now is which records would you like the author and title of?
16:23 koha_pune assume that I m borrower 1 who r cataloing 10 entry per day
16:23 jcamins You've mentioned borrowernumber, but that has nothing to do with biblio records, really. But I presume you don't just want a list of all titles and authors.
16:23 jcamins So you want a list of all books cataloged by a particular user?
16:23 koha_pune now I want to fetch the title and author
16:23 koha_pune yes
16:24 koha_pune => I want a list of all books cataloged by a particular user?
16:24 jcamins Okay, that's a very different question from what you asked originally. :)
16:24 koha_pune oh sorry ffor the misunderstaning
16:24 jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Titles_added_by_cataloger
16:24 koha_pune thanks
16:24 koha_pune lookin at it
16:25 jcamins Note that you do have to have the cataloguing log turned on.
16:26 koha_pune okay jcamins
16:26 koha_pune that helped me ;)
16:27 koha_pune i m tryin now
16:27 koha_pune thanks
16:29 jcamins You're welcome. I just needed to understand what you wanted to do. :)
16:29 drojf i did not know there is a violet stage after the red stage for storm warnings. but we have one now
16:31 eythian Just wait until you have a plaid warning
16:32 * jcamins is not entirely sure whether you are joking or not about the plaid warning, because unfortunately that does sound like something a government would come up with.
16:32 drojf lol eythian
16:33 kf time to go to a biergarten ;)
16:33 kf bye all!
16:33 drojf oh-oh getting really dark. nice that this starts now AFTER i took a long walk in the sun :)
16:33 eythian http://youtu.be/mk7VWcuVOf0 <-- jcamins
16:34 jcamins Hehe.
16:35 koha_pune @jcamins
16:35 huginn koha_pune: I suck
16:35 koha_pune hey there is 2 Titles added by cataloger
16:35 koha_pune the one give me count => this one I knew
16:35 koha_pune the other should give me the title, author
16:35 koha_pune right ?
16:36 jcamins koha_pune: instead of selecting COUNT(whatever) select "biblio.title, biblio.author"
16:36 koha_pune k
16:38 nengard can anyone test bug 8110 so that we can get that very important fix in to 3.8.2 (hopefully)
16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, savitra.sirohi, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
16:39 koha_pune not returning data as the table action_logs dont have title and author
16:40 koha_pune we shall join it with biblio table but on which base of PK, FK
16:40 koha_pune here is my query
16:40 koha_pune SELECT biblio.title, biblio.author FROM action_logs WHERE module='CATALOGUING' AND user=<<Borrower number>> AND info!='item' AND action='ADD'
16:42 wizzyrea I signed off of it, however, I'd like to see a signoff with a positive functional test.
16:43 wizzyrea (the test plan indeed came back correct)
16:49 jcamins Is anyone around who is running Windows?
16:49 jcamins Preferably XP?
16:49 eythian And will admit to it?
16:49 jcamins eythian: yes, that would help too.
16:49 drojf lol
16:49 jcamins If you PM me, I will not out you.
16:50 drojf i have a virtual machine with xp. i think it still works
16:50 jcamins drojf: I'm trying to figure out with XP has nslookup.
16:50 jcamins *if
16:51 drojf it says it has some problem but starts up. wait a minute
16:51 eythian jcamins: I think that it does
16:52 drojf yes it does
16:52 jcamins eythian: I think so too, but instructing a non-computer illiterate to use nslookup means I have to be sure of the command.
16:52 jcamins *not-computer literate user
16:52 eythian fair enough
16:52 wajasu when building the deb packages, i did: pbuilder create --othermiror 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main' --mirror http://ftp.debian.org/debian
16:53 jcamins drojf: does the command `nslookup demo.cplibraries.com` return useful information?
16:53 jcamins IP address, specifically.
16:53 drojf maybe, but the machine has no internet :D
16:53 jcamins drojf: ah.
16:53 jcamins drojf: nslookup localhost?
16:53 wahanui I can't find that machine name
16:54 eythian nslookup google.com
16:54 wahanui google.com is 74.125.227.142
16:54 jcamins Whoah!
16:54 jcamins That's awesome!
16:54 drojf heh
16:54 eythian except that it forces a reconnect
16:55 jcamins eythian: well, yeah.
17:04 drojf jcamins: network bridging seems not to work with the vm anymore. i disabled that at some point because i wanted xp not to phone home. but it doesn't work now that it is enabled anyway
17:05 jcamins drojf: well, you can just try to resolve localhost. I'm just trying to make sure that the command I'm giving is at least somewhat correct.
17:06 wizzyrea jcamins http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/nslookup.mspx?mfr=true
17:06 * wizzyrea consults the manual
17:06 jcamins wizzyrea: thanks.
17:06 wizzyrea >.> yw
17:07 jcamins wizzyrea: silly me, I thought when I looked for nslookup on Microsoft's site, I'd get instructions for something other than Windows 7.
17:07 * wizzyrea runs around shouting "I'm helping!"
17:07 drojf i get the same response regardless of what i write. default servers are not available, server unknown, address 127.0.0.1
17:07 * wizzyrea guesses you have undefined DNS on your VM
17:08 drojf wizzyrea: yes network does not work at all here. it is supposed to be that way, just strange that i cannot change it back :D
17:10 jcamins drojf: you have a real OS for the host?
17:12 wizzyrea oh, quick check
17:12 drojf jcamins: the host is debian
17:12 wizzyrea google koha - are we ranked again?
17:12 jcamins drojf: it's a security feature.
17:12 wizzyrea my tests indicate so but google knows what I'm looking for
17:13 wizzyrea in my tests it's #2
17:13 jcamins My tests agree.
17:14 * wizzyrea cheers
17:14 wizzyrea that's better than it was before the relevancy changes
17:14 wizzyrea we used to be 5-6
17:14 wizzyrea of course, that's *after* they nuked us out of the results completely.
17:15 wizzyrea so that's a positive recovery.
17:18 * drojf likes http://duckduckgo.com/Koha_(software)
17:18 drojf unfortunately we are only #2 without disambiguation. doesn't make any sense
17:32 jcamins There was a bug to do with the first result on the second page of OPAC search results.
17:32 jcamins Bug 7894.
17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
17:39 koha_pune hi all
17:39 koha_pune I I want a list of all books cataloged by a particular user
17:41 wizzyrea did you try this one? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Titles_added_by_cataloger_2
17:42 wizzyrea oh never mind. not exactly what you are looking for
17:44 wizzyrea wait can't you do this through the logging interface?
17:44 wizzyrea tools -> log viewer
17:45 wizzyrea put the librarian's borrowernumber in "librarian", module "catalog," action "add:
17:46 wizzyrea info "biblio"
17:46 koha_pune hi wizzyrea
17:46 wizzyrea that will give you a list of biblionumbers
17:47 koha_pune already tried the above query but not filtering borrowernumber
17:50 koha_pune the second tought didnt work too :(
17:50 koha_pune i got No log found for Bibliographic Record .
17:50 jcamins koha_pune: that means you don't have logging turned on.
17:50 koha_pune ohh is it
17:50 koha_pune how to turn it on ?
17:50 jcamins manual?
17:50 wahanui somebody said manual was at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
17:50 jcamins ^^ if you look in the manual in the administration section, it will talk about the CataloguingLog syspref.
17:51 wizzyrea select biblio.title, biblio.author, biblio.biblionumber from biblio left join action_logs on (biblio.biblionumber = action_logs.object) where action_logs.user='19'; if you had logging on this would work
17:53 wizzyrea shows all items
17:55 wizzyrea even better: select biblio.title, biblio.author, biblio.biblionumber from biblio left join action_logs on (biblio.biblionumber = action_logs.object) where action_logs.user='19' and module='CATALOGUING' and info = 'biblio';
17:55 koha_pune @jcamins and wizzyre yep you both are right
17:55 huginn koha_pune: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
17:55 koha_pune logging is turned off :(
17:56 jcamins koha_pune: in IRC, you can just use nick: rather than @nick
17:56 koha_pune action_logs.object are not updated at all
17:56 wizzyrea bummer. That's the only place the cataloger's ID is recorded.
17:56 koha_pune hmmm...it sucks
17:56 koha_pune I havent configured it
17:56 wizzyrea *shrug* that's what logging is for.
17:56 drojf on the plus side… you don't have to worry about how to get the info *hides*
17:58 koha_pune now...after enablin logs...would the data already entered will be afftected ?
17:58 koha_pune is there a risk ?
17:58 koha_pune for the previous data ?
17:59 wizzyrea how would it know who did it?
17:59 wizzyrea (no)
17:59 koha_pune okay
18:12 jcamins Hmmm... I think that query might have something to do with pazpar2/
18:12 jcamins *?
18:12 jcamins (on the mailing list)
18:13 koha_pune guys, i m Home › Administration › System Preferences
18:14 koha_pune and confirming that CataloguingLog is on Log status
18:15 koha_pune one sec
18:19 * jcamins giggles.
18:19 jcamins Neo = Mr. Anderson. :)
18:25 koha_pune jcamins
18:25 koha_pune thanks man
18:25 koha_pune it worked ;)
18:25 koha_pune thanks wizzyrea
18:26 koha_pune ur query is perfect ;)
18:26 koha_pune good night guys
18:31 * tomascohen is preparing the field to test patches for bug 8110
18:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
18:31 jcamins tcohen++
18:31 jcamins tomascohen++
18:31 jcamins What's with the new nick?
18:32 * jcamins was confused.
18:32 jcamins ;)
18:33 tcohen this is weird, i've changed to 'tomascohen' in the UI so it shows 'tcohen' in the IRC
18:33 tcohen quassel irc client malfinction
18:57 rangi Morning
18:57 wahanui Morning is probably a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:59 rangi tcohen: I haven't tested the fix for bug 8110 yet but my fear is by fixing it for us style dates its now broken for others. I'm most likely wrong
18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
19:01 tcohen i'm trying to imagine haw to test it
19:01 tcohen how
19:01 rangi *nod*
19:02 rangi I think would have to insert some lines in issues that would cause a fine today
19:03 rangi Then mark today a holiday
19:03 rangi And run the cronjob
19:04 rangi And try with different date format sysprefs
19:04 rangi Not easy to test
19:05 tcohen the thing is, due dates are calculated on checkout
19:05 jcamins Is it possible to do @array = sort @array?
19:06 jcamins (and have it work!)
19:06 rangi Yeah but unfortunately can just run sql updates to change them tcohen
19:06 rangi Hmm fortunately even
19:07 rangi Depends what's in the array jcamins
19:07 jcamins rangi: just strings.
19:10 rangi Should work
19:10 rangi U might want to specify cmp
19:11 rangi So it does nice string comparisons
19:12 rangi Ok. Gotta feed kids bbiab
19:17 * jcamins prefers baking bread in the oven.
19:19 jcamins (to the stovetop)
19:36 mbalmer if you have strange or complicated MARC files, I am interested. in getting a copy...
19:37 drojf what would make a MARC file strange or complicated?
19:37 drojf more than normal i mean
19:37 mbalmer different languages etc.
19:39 cait mbalmer: remind me tomorrow maybe?
19:39 cait I can point you to some interesting ones
19:39 cait if hebrew is interesting you could download a few records from hfjs.bsz-bw.de
19:39 cait search for something like dvd
19:40 jcamins If vaguely non-standard compliant records qualify, any Arabic record in NYU's catalog should do.
19:41 cait searching in hebrew works too, but bit more difficult to do :)
19:41 cait evening jared
19:41 mbalmer I am really interested in strange MARC records to stress test the marc datatype in PostgreSQL
19:43 jcamins Drat. I can't figure out how to iterate through a regular array in T::T.
19:43 jcamins Afternoon, cait.
19:44 rangi For loop
19:45 rangi Or you could do a while loop
19:45 cait use a loop!
19:45 cait sorry :)
19:45 cait :P
19:45 jcamins rangi: I can make them work with arrays of hashes, but not so much with arrays of strings.
19:46 rangi Should be the same arrayref.$i
19:47 drojf good morning rangi
19:47 * cait waves at drojf
19:47 drojf hi cait
19:48 rangi Heya drojf
19:49 wizzyrea yes, please double check that fines dev, functional testing is going to be hard.
19:49 wizzyrea or hard-ish
19:49 jcamins Oh, silly autovivification.
19:50 jcamins [% dbfile %] won't say "hey you idiot, the variable is misspelled!"
19:50 mbalmer missspelled
19:50 drojf rangi: is there a diminutive of koha?
19:51 mbalmer koha.i
19:51 mbalmer kohalino
19:51 drojf i mean in maori ;)
19:51 cait a small gift?
19:52 rangi Iti is small
19:52 rangi Koha iti
19:53 rangi jcamins you can make it do that
19:53 rangi Strict mode
19:54 jcamins Hm.
19:54 * jcamins may start doing that while developing.
19:55 rangi Good idea
20:06 rangi Ok my stop bbiab
20:16 cait morning kathryn
20:17 cait hi querty
20:17 kathryn hiya cait. I just finished cleaning chicken soup out of my bag :S
20:17 cait oh no :(
20:17 bag oh no
20:17 kathryn yech!
20:17 cait well, at least it was not cream
20:17 kathryn Hi bag :)
20:17 cait cream makes your bag stink cheesy
20:17 cait forever
20:17 kathryn oh true, i can confirm there was no dairy in it
20:18 cait ... found out the hard way
20:18 bag I am not stink cheese ;)
20:18 cait haven't met you yet ;)
20:18 kathryn hehe
20:19 cait only joking of course :)
20:19 cait brb
20:22 jcamins Yay!
20:22 jcamins I have an initial implementation for bug 8268!
20:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
20:23 kathryn hey jcamins that's pretty awesome
20:31 rangi back
21:11 mtj morning #koha
21:12 rangi hi mtj
21:13 cait back too :)
21:40 cait night :)
21:46 jcamins wizzyrea: bug 8268 is ready for your sign off!
21:46 jcamins :D
21:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
21:47 rangi yay!
21:47 jcamins rangi: or yours.
21:47 jcamins kathryn: or yours! I in no way intended to imply you weren't permitted to sign off!
21:47 rangi heh
21:47 jcamins ^^ the same goes for everyone.
21:48 rangi is it sandbox testable?
21:48 jcamins rangi: no.
21:48 rangi db changes eh?
21:48 jcamins No, the paranoid sysadmin in me made it so that you have to enable the feature in koha-conf.xml.
21:49 rangi ah right
21:49 rangi i might get a chance tonight, hopefully someone beats me to it
21:50 kathryn jcamins : ) encouragement accepted!
21:54 * wizzyrea is feeling signoff shy
21:54 jcamins wizzyrea: awww. It's not that scary!
21:54 jcamins Well, other than the commit message.
21:54 * jcamins will grant it's kind of a scary message.
22:28 drojf good night #koha