Time Nick Message 00:43 wajasu v3.8.0 - when i import a biblio via z3950 server (LOC) i usually have to specifiy the the koha item type. (usually book), but isn't that sor t of detail in the marc record? and doesn't koha leverage that? maybe a mapping of marc type to koha item type at timport? or am i missing something? 00:44 talljoy yes, the item type is buried in the marc, but the import tool does not look for it. Koha stores an itemtype in the 942$c field at the bibliorecord level. 00:45 talljoy i can see the value of leveraging that information as you say. Koha refers to that marc leader item type in some of it's displays which can be a tad annoying if the type is different from what the library calls it 00:47 wajasu that leader 06 position? maybe its too ambiguous. but then we would need a column in the item type table, which might already be there since i didn't look, that enables such a rule at import. 00:48 wajasu i'll scan the bug db to see if this has been suggested in the past. 00:52 wajasu here is something related http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4814 00:52 huginn 04Bug 4814: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Item Type (MARC952 $c) not self-populating from imported OCLC bib 00:55 talljoy that's close, but refers more to the item level itemtype not populating. 00:57 talljoy i wonder if there is a reason that the 006 item type is not utilized. curious. 01:12 wajasu i'll bring it up during the work week. it could at least default when the tab is selected. 01:27 jcamins_away wajasu: talljoy: no, you cannot derive 942$c from the bib record. 01:28 jcamins_away It's a common misconception that item format as described by 006/008 is related to 942$c. 01:29 * jcamins_away wanders off. 01:31 jcamins_away If the two coincide for your data, you could do some sort of batch update, but it would not be general enough to include in Koha's import functionality. 01:56 wajasu well, there you have it then. 05:52 mib_tvzb2t hi 05:52 mib_tvzb2t someone there ? 07:42 * cait waves 07:42 cait mle_imac: back at video editing? 08:05 * magnuse waves 08:05 cait hi magnuse :) 08:05 magnuse guten morgen cait 08:06 cait working on a sunday? 08:06 magnuse yeah, trying to get some things done 08:07 magnuse you too? 08:08 cait yeah 08:08 cait some testing :) 08:11 mbalmer morning 08:12 magnuse hiya mbalmer 08:12 cait hi mbalmer 08:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #56 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 08:40 magnuse 3.8.2 nb-NO opac 100% translated! 08:40 rangi yay1 08:40 rangi ! even 08:40 cait yay!! 08:41 cait which reminds me... 08:41 cait but it's so boring! 08:59 magnuse the opac was quick - 15 strings at most 09:00 magnuse but yes, translating is not the most fun... 09:00 magnuse rangi: would you say 3.8.2 will be ready for production? 09:04 rangi nope 09:04 rangi id wait for 3.8.3 there are still problems with the calendar/holidays as well as a problem with fines 09:05 rangi fines are now calculated on return .. as well as with the cron job and seem to be doubling up, i think the calculate on return should be a syspref, and it should be made impossible to double up 09:06 magnuse hm, none of my customers use fines 09:06 rangi and there's nothing worse than charging peopel the wrong amount 09:06 magnuse yeah, that sux 09:06 rangi the calendar one would get you too 09:06 rangi it ignores holidays 09:06 magnuse not sure any of mine use that either 09:06 rangi you migth be ok then 09:08 magnuse guess i better upgrade my test install and give it a spin... 09:08 rangi :) 09:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #56: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/56/ 09:10 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin" 09:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus 09:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #57 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:10 magnuse they will all be in holiday mode soon too :-) 09:11 magnuse \o/ success! 09:11 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/release_notes/release_notes_3_8_2.txt;h=0bc73bf4cc67fd299fd0ebfaa5162264f08d6780;hb=b9de3ca3d4a64e9b8136cda3fd920d677fe18da1 09:11 rangi you can see whats in 3.8.2 ( a few more might sneak in before release but not many) 09:13 rangi there are still some blockers/criticals 09:15 rangi bug 8253 09:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Fine doubling 09:15 rangi bug 8243 09:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8243 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , calendar being ignored 09:15 rangi bug 8110 09:15 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, savitra.sirohi, In Discussion , Fines accruing on closed days 09:15 rangi all need to be fixed before i could use 3.8.x anywhere 09:18 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=FIXME%20NOW&list_id=33398 09:18 rangi does that work? 09:22 cait nope 09:25 magnuse "There is no saved search named 'FIXME NOW'. " 09:25 * magnuse wanders off to breakfast 09:25 cait breakfast, now? 09:25 cait :P 09:44 rangi does that search show now? 09:45 cait no :( 09:45 cait really, bugzilla should make that easier 09:45 * slef wanders back from breakfast 09:45 cait hi slef 09:45 slef hi cait 09:49 mbalmer hi slef... 09:49 mbalmer see privmsg... 09:51 slef hi mbalmer, can't we talk about that in public? 09:51 mbalmer sure. 09:51 mbalmer I was asking slef about the availability of a vectorized Koha logo. 09:52 slef We will have one used on our banners and will publish it as soon as we've paid the designer. 09:52 slef I think there may be an earlier one around, used on Calyx's banner, but I need to email Irma to ask. 09:54 slef I think it's worth having that on the record :) 09:54 slef So we don't end up with maybe a third one being bought... 10:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #57: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/57/ 10:00 jenkins_koha kyle: Bug 6141 - html glitches causing problems to translator - 3.8.x 10:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6141 minor, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , html glitches causing problems to translator 10:00 jenkins_koha Starting build #58 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:07 slef emailed Irma 10:21 mbalmer thx! 10:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6875] de-nesting C4 packages <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875> / [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6536> / [Bug 7127] Templates must be valid XHTML <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7127> 10:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #58: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/58/ 10:51 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: First cut of the 3.8.2 release notes 12:29 drojf ping dpavlin 12:31 slef @seen dpavlin 12:31 huginn slef: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <dpavlin> drojf1: depending on arch a bit, but yes for 1 process. 12:33 cait hi drojf :) 12:33 cait hi slef 12:33 slef err hello again cait 12:34 drojf hi cait and slef 13:54 jcamins_mib cait++ # because in my little netsplit portion of the channel there is no one recording the karma I gave her earlier for testing 13:54 cait oh? 13:54 cait thx :) 13:54 cait still problems with your network? 13:54 jcamins_mib Nope. OFTC this time. 13:55 jcamins_mib gmcharlt, cjh, me, and jeff are all by ourselves. 13:57 cait interesting 13:58 * jcamins_away figures out how to reconnect to the non-split server. 14:03 jcamins_away magnuse: FWIW, I'm not considering 3.8 until 3.8.4. 14:03 jcamins_away Those features I require are backported to 3.6.x. 14:04 cait :) 14:04 cait yeah, we will go with 3.6.x for now 14:04 cait until 3.8 is more stable in circ 14:11 neo__ hi 14:12 neo__ i am trying to install koha-3.8.1 14:12 neo__ while running perl Makefile.PL , i am getting one error 14:12 neo__ unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/local/src/koha-3.8.1/C4/Context.pm line 360. 14:12 neo__ any idea ? 14:17 cait hm 14:17 cait are you trying to update or trying to do a new installation? 14:20 jcamins_away neo__: you can ignore that error if you are doing a new installation. 14:21 cait jcamins++ :) 14:21 neo__ yes, i am doing a new installation 14:21 jcamins_away That reminds me. 14:21 jcamins_away I need to report a bug on how C4::Context handles itself. 14:21 neo__ ok 14:22 neo__ but in my test machine there is no error like this , now i am doing in a production machine 14:28 jcamins_away neo__: that's because you already installed Koha once? 14:28 jcamins_away (on the test machine) 14:29 neo__ yes, jcamins_away , i did it several times , by removing and dropping the database 14:30 jcamins_away neo__: yes, the *very* first time you installed Koha, you would've gotten that error message. 14:30 jcamins_away It's completely harmless. 14:31 neo__ ohh... cool , 14:31 neo__ thanks... jcamins_away 14:31 jcamins_away You're welcome. 14:31 jcamins_away Actually, I'm surprised this doesn't cause a problem for Plack. 14:32 neo__ ok 14:32 jcamins_away neo__: you can ignore my musings on the subject. Everything will work fine for you. 14:32 neo__ ok... , :) 14:35 * jcamins_away is just contemplating the reasons underlying the error, and what they say about how things are done in Koha. 14:35 * jcamins_away wonders whether Plack has access to anything more useful than environment variables. 14:35 cait hm 14:36 jcamins A pity dpavlin isn't around. 14:36 cait dpavlin 14:36 cait we can make his computer beep maybe :) 14:36 jcamins Other than, obviously, the fact that it's Sunday and he should go out and do something fun. 14:36 cait I think you could drop him an email 14:36 cait is is most of time logged in, but doesn't check too often on the channel 14:36 jcamins Yes, but not knowing the right terms would make it a hard to understand e-mail. 14:37 jcamins "I was wondering whether Plack has a doohickey that would allow us to use set_context without a KOHA_CONF environment variable." 14:37 cait ask him to drop by sometimes to talk about...X? :) 14:37 cait huh? 14:40 jcamins That was my point. 14:58 drojf jcamins: is there a gpg key for your 3.6 repository? 15:01 drojf sorry, i'm just blind 15:01 drojf found it 15:32 jcamins drojf: also, eythian said the oldstable distribution on debian.k-c.org is suitable for production use now. 15:38 drojf jcamins: i asked for my notes on the koha installation on raspberry pi where i used your repo. i should probably use oldstable for the wiki article then, but i dont know if there are the same problems that i had with 3.8 from k-c 15:39 jcamins Ah. 15:39 jcamins There shouldn't be. 15:39 jcamins The packages should be pretty much identical. 15:41 drojf ok 16:00 cait grrrrrr. 16:22 drojf i probably missed some things that i did not wrote down but anyway http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_a_Raspberry_Pi 16:22 drojf s/wrote/write 16:23 slef cait: /ctcp dpavlin PAGE ;-) 16:26 cait hm? 16:30 drojf cait: what are you angry about? 16:30 cait bugs 16:40 * cait files another bug report and sighs 16:40 cait bug 8259 16:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8259 major, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , No longer possible to have multiple serial notices 16:41 cait args. 16:47 cait ok 16:47 cait mistested 16:47 cait I should stop 18:42 jcamins Quinoa cakes = inspired 18:43 cait took apart my laptop and now I am missing one screw :( 18:43 cait like always 18:43 cait grr. 18:50 jcamins Isn't it usually an *extra* screw? 18:51 drojf that's ikea ;) 18:51 cait heh 18:51 cait yeah, quite sure they tricked me somewhere 19:32 rangi Morning 19:33 jcamins Morning. 19:34 cait morning :) 19:35 * jcamins scratches his head and rereads the instructions for loading a bobbin into the sewing machine. 19:35 jcamins Do they *try* to make it hard to understand? 19:36 cait I don't even understand what you want to do 19:36 * jcamins either! 19:36 jcamins http://www.singerco.com/sewing-resources/bobbin-insert-top-load 19:36 rangi I have a laurel for that 19:37 jcamins cait: did you attach a patch to the wrong bug? 7392 vs 7302? 19:37 cait wuit posible 19:37 cait I was missing one right now 19:37 rangi Hehe 19:38 rangi The downside of git bz 19:38 rangi Very easy to do that 19:38 cait jcamins: thx :) 19:38 cait 7392 should have been 7302 19:40 jcamins I did it! I think. 19:41 jcamins The bobbin is now in the sewing machine. 19:41 * rangi is hanging out for a flat white 19:41 cait first queston 19:41 cait first question? 19:41 cait oh 19:41 cait first question? 19:41 cait wahanui? 19:42 cait seems we are missing a bot here 19:42 cait jcamins: what are you trying to do? 19:42 jcamins He's probably still on the other server. 19:42 jcamins cait: fix the timing in this sewing machine. 19:43 rangi @later tell eythian can use restart wahanui please 19:43 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:45 rangi I resized my linode to get more disk space which needed a reboot 19:45 rangi New kernel too 19:46 rangi @wunder nzwn 19:46 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on June 18, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 19:47 cait @wunder Konstanz 19:47 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.1°C (9:45 PM CEST on June 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 19:47 rangi Nice day today 19:50 rangi My stop bbiab 19:51 jcamins Okay... when there's no cloth, the sewing machine seems to do fine. 19:53 jcamins It's hard to tell, because it's not like it's stitching anything. 19:56 jcamins Okay, I managed to recreate the problem with the sewing machine turned off, and no fabric blocking my view. 19:56 jcamins This is good progress. :) 19:58 rangi back 19:59 cait morning kathryn 20:00 kathryn good morning cait! 20:00 kathryn and hi all :) 20:00 * jcamins removes a piece from the sewing machine. 20:01 cait be careful, don't loose any screws 20:01 rangi heh 20:06 jcamins cait: or end up with extras. 20:06 cait heh 20:07 rangi hmm lots to catch up on 20:16 * jcamins reads about how sewing machines work. 20:17 cait jcamins: I guess there is no guarantee on it? 20:17 cait ok 20:18 cait with indybranches 20:18 cait I should not be able to make a basket belong to another branch.. right? 20:18 jcamins cait: nope. It's out of warrantee, and it breaks if Shari ever goes more than a week without using it. 20:18 jcamins That is correct. 20:18 jcamins We'll be replacing it, I think. 21:56 wajasu http://savage.net.au/Perl/html/plack.for.beginners.html 22:01 jcamins So when I have the tension high enough for the stitches to work, the thread gets caught underneath the feed dogs. 22:05 rangi jcamins: oh speaking of Shari .. 184! http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=docs/history.txt;h=41970ef3e55d60a5ddd8bffbaf840f829ea31678;hb=b9de3ca3d4a64e9b8136cda3fd920d677fe18da1#l612 22:06 jcamins Also, the tension does not appear to go up or down in any consistent way when I turn the tension dial. 22:06 jcamins rangi: yeah, I showed her. :) 22:07 rangi sweet :)