Time  Nick         Message
21:14 eythian      https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tecace.bookand
18:52 drojf1       meh, antisocial neighbour is back with bad music
18:51 cait         :)
18:51 drojf1       yes. i want plack ;)
18:51 cait         still working on your rasperry pi? :)
18:49 drojf1       Swap:  7807552k total  <- yeah, external swap :D
18:49 drojf1       Mem:    223348k total
18:43 cait         hm ok, http:recorder didn't run
18:40 cait         life is not fair
18:37 * cait       curses
18:37 cait         and now it stopped working???
18:29 jcamins      Sure.
18:27 * cait       pokes jcamins
18:24 cait         my firefox is german
18:24 cait         jcamins: can I out your screenshot in the wiki?
18:23 cait         mysterious.
18:23 jcamins      Nope.
18:22 cait         jcamins: the proxy needs to be turned on while I run it?
18:22 mbalmer_     cait++
18:22 cait         and I haven't changed anything
18:22 cait         for the first time
18:22 cait         with all tests ok
18:22 cait         the script just ran through
18:22 cait         s
18:22 cait         jcamins: gues
18:18 jcamins      :)
18:18 cait         jcamins: so... if we can find out why the other script is not working... this day would not be a total waste
18:17 mbalmer_     ::1, fwiw ;)
18:17 cait         at least a little success
18:17 cait         yes
18:17 jcamins      That fixed it? :)
18:17 cait         AHA!
18:16 cait         127.0.0.1
18:16 cait         aha
18:16 cait         and durng the hackfest it didn't work for intranet
18:16 cait         it worked during the hackfest... but not here
18:15 jcamins      This is my configuration: http://screencast.com/t/OtFH1ArKP
18:14 cait         intranet, opac or google
18:14 cait         now I can't open anything
18:14 cait         ok
18:13 cait         all the same system, nothing virtual or remote
18:13 cait         yes
18:13 jcamins      Provided you are running http-recorder on the same system you are using the web browser on.
18:13 cait         I can't reach localhost now
18:13 jcamins      Yes.
18:12 cait         I put localhost into the http-proxy?
18:11 cait         let me restart the  browser and try it again
18:11 jcamins      Use Firefox, set the *HTTP Proxy* and clear out the "No proxy for" box.
18:11 cait         hmpf?!
18:11 jcamins      I gave you wrong instructions.
18:11 jcamins      Oh, figured it out.
18:10 cait         can we do this step by step for stupi dwith firefox maybe?
18:09 cait         and the socks thing breaks everything
18:09 cait         in chromium you can't tell it to ignore anything
18:09 cait         and firefox
18:09 cait         I was trying it with chromium
18:09 cait         ok
18:08 jcamins      You have to tell the SOCKS proxy not to ignore localhost.
18:06 dpavlin      drojf1: depending on arch a bit, but yes for 1 process.
18:06 mbalmer_     sweet
18:06 dpavlin      mbalmer_: yap. with web-server-independent layer and server written under that
18:06 cait         not for intranet
18:06 cait         it just won't and won't work for me
18:06 cait         ok, I need help with http::recorder
18:02 drojf1       it was ~60mb more ram, right?
18:02 mbalmer_     plack is essentially FastCGI, right?
18:01 dpavlin      drojf1: OPAC should work, I don't think we need aditional patches for OPAC since biblibre is using this in production.
17:59 drojf1       dpavlin: will the plack opac described here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack#Running_OPAC work with a deb package installation of 3.8.1?
16:35 jcamins      Okay, the indexer daemon now works great. :)
16:23 * dpavlin    official gone to watch YAPC::NA videos he missed at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE3F888A650339DDF&feature=plcp
16:21 cait         mle++
16:20 * jcamins    figures out the problem.
16:20 jcamins      ... huh?
16:19 jcamins      dpavlin's suggestion of removing AUTOLOAD from C4::Context may be the needed one.
16:18 jcamins      Well, go figure.
16:18 * mle        casts willpower +100
16:17 cait         heh
16:16 * jcamins    wills cait's bash script to work.
16:16 * cait       tries wiling jcamin's indexer to work
16:16 cait         *sigh*
16:14 jcamins      Nope.
16:13 cait         because it does not work for me :(
16:13 cait         does it work for anyone else?
16:13 cait         ok
16:09 * mbalmer_   wills his PostgreSQL indexer to work
16:07 * jcamins    wills his indexer daemon to work.
16:07 * cait       wills her bash script to work
16:03 jcamins      However, this is a different problem.
16:01 jcamins      No, it doesn't.
15:59 jcamins      Wait, yes it does.
15:58 jcamins      And it doesn't work with fork, either.
15:55 jcamins      My release-tool.
15:55 jcamins      Ah, of course.
15:55 jcamins      Ummm... why was I doing things with waitpid recently?
15:55 cait         I am still stuck with modern perl
15:55 cait         ah no thx
15:55 * mbalmer_   hands cait a copy of "The UNIX Haters Handbook"...
15:54 cait         does anyone want some noodle salad?
15:54 * cait       hands jcamins another fork and dpavlin a glass of water
15:52 jcamins      And the fork didn't work.
15:50 dpavlin      cait: and \* is really just like it looks -- you shouldn't have-to-have it in your code :-)
15:49 * jcamins    grumbles, and puts in fork.
15:49 jcamins      Oh, fine.
15:48 dpavlin      cait: depends, now I have to get a glass of water :-) I don't know, I can use it but I don't enjoy it.
15:48 jcamins      \* does not do what I thought.
15:47 cait         dpavlin: is that good or bad?
15:47 jcamins      That's just weird.
15:47 jcamins      And...
15:47 dpavlin      I did just a tiny bit of AnyEvent work, and it left me with dried mouth
15:46 jcamins      dpavlin: I could fix it by just forking and adding a ->recv to each object, but that is inelegant.
15:45 pastebot     "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$self is not defined when the $cb->recv is called in outside this SUB" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/460
15:44 jcamins      dpavlin: no, the problem is my AnyEvent callback.
15:44 * dpavlin    takes a peek to see where jcamins fork is
15:43 * dpavlin    hides
15:43 dpavlin      jcamins: remove AUTOLOAD from C4::Context?
15:40 jcamins      Maybe some sort of symbol table black magic?
15:39 jcamins      Is there any way to get around the fact that $self->whatever() is actually a shorthand for whatever($self)?
15:38 jcamins      Okay, let's think this through.
15:38 * cait       gets a new fork to eat her noodle salad
15:37 mbalmer_     heh ;)
15:36 * cait       hands jcamins a fork
15:35 * jcamins    mutters angrily about fork, and $self not existing.
15:35 mbalmer_     I know, I know....
15:35 drojf1       you are sending mixed messages
15:35 drojf1       (17:09:10) mbalmer_: Perl is fine.
15:35 jcamins      mbalmer_: threading is much more pleasant in C, I will give you that.
15:34 * mbalmer_   thinks perl is really rather an illness than a programming language...
15:33 jcamins      \*sub{ } removes the lexical scoping.
15:33 jcamins      sub{ } produces an anonymous routine with lexical scope.
15:32 jcamins      Mystery solved.
15:32 jcamins      Ah-ha.
15:31 * jcamins    mutters angrily about the inelegance of running fork in a loop.
15:27 jcamins      diff tells me that these are almost identical.
15:24 drojf1       you could try to batter them and fry, like a mars bar
15:24 jcamins      I don't get it.
15:23 mbalmer_     sure.  I don't like them raw...
15:23 drojf1       for the cats?
15:22 mbalmer_     speaking of, do we have any good recipes?
15:22 drojf1       low hanging kitten :D
15:21 mbalmer_     low hanging fruit, drojf1...
15:21 jcamins      Right.
15:21 mbalmer_     so it's only the text that should be changed?
15:20 * jcamins    thinks B) is more important here.
15:20 jcamins      A) it hasn't been true since 3.2 and B) people expect cataloguing to be logged.
15:19 jcamins      That is inaccurate.
15:19 drojf1       "CataloguingLog: [Log|Don't log] any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not advisable to turn this on." <- why is this enabled by default then?
15:18 jcamins      Why are my watchers going out of scope so thoroughly?
15:17 * jcamins    scratches his head.
15:13 wajasu       ok. got my VM to build koha-common for v3.08.01.  not that i need to, but now i understand what it takes with pbuilder and space needs.
15:11 mbalmer_     I just come from another corner, Unix kernel developer.  Perl is impractical there...
15:10 mbalmer_     Perl is fine.
15:10 dpavlin      mbalmer_: but perl is tiny: http://git.rot13.org/?p=MQR.git;a=tree;f=scripts (safe to click, no perl code on page :-)
15:09 mbalmer_     (like most of my software)
15:09 dpavlin      mbalmer_: It's perl, don't click!
15:09 mbalmer_     the only irc bots I wrote are in C.
15:08 dpavlin      but this one is not mine, and I would love to know all commands. @help?
15:08 dpavlin      mbalmer_: I wrote multi-protocol bots using redis before: http://git.rot13.org/?p=MQR.git
15:08 cait         I have spent all afternoon trying to get the existing script work for me :(
15:08 cait         dpavlin: growl
15:07 jcamins      dpavlin: would be very useful on the wiki.
15:06 dpavlin      would it make sense to move them to wiki or even master ?
15:05 dpavlin      cait: I have some Test::WWW::Mechanize examples for create/remove user at http://svn.rot13.org/index.cgi/virtual-ldap/browse/t/koha
15:05 mbalmer_     cool feature.
15:05 cait         so still works when you are logged in I think
15:05 cait         later tell will give him the message next time he says something
15:04 mbalmer_     yes, those screen sessions, I know :)
15:04 dpavlin      that doesn't garantee anything, as you know from my example :-)
15:03 mbalmer_     hi dobrica, thanks.  but I just saw that slef is logged in...
15:03 dpavlin      mbalmer_: you can use @later tell nick some text
14:56 mbalmer_     ah crap, not even logged in... ;)
14:56 mbalmer_     slef, ayt?
13:37 cait         :)
13:33 jcamins      Smoothie. :)
13:22 cait         what are you making with it?
13:21 jcamins      Should still be tasty enough.
13:20 cait         :(
13:19 jcamins      This mango took almost a week to ripen, and it's _still_ not entirely ripe.
13:16 jcamins      I was thinking it would be nice to provide a wizard that uses javascript graphing libraries.
13:15 cait         magnuse: you should talk to marijana - she wanted something like that
13:14 * magnuse    runs off
13:14 magnuse      w00t!
13:14 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
13:14 magnuse      @wunder boo
13:14 magnuse      oh well, i gotta run some errands...
13:13 magnuse      this reminds me i was toying with the idea of making it possible to create a template for displaying a report...
13:13 cait         *sigh*
13:13 cait         we show 1 on the summary...
13:13 cait         and instead of showing tabular
13:13 cait         the others were never implemented
13:13 cait         yeah
13:12 magnuse      but only Tabular is available, to be chosen?
13:12 jcamins      With matrix and summary not being implemented.
13:12 magnuse      Tabular, Summary or Matrix are the options
13:12 jcamins      Ah, tabular, matrix, or summary.
13:11 magnuse      not really
13:11 jcamins      magnuse: any idea what type is for?
13:11 magnuse      huh? when you "Create report from SQL" you can choose "Type", but not when you edit it later?
12:31 jcamins      cait: I saw.
12:31 cait         jcamins: wahanui stole your patch ;)
12:29 jcamins      lol
12:29 tcohen       hi cait
12:29 cait         hi tcohen
12:28 cait         lol
12:28 wahanui      That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :)
12:28 cait         and I?
12:28 wahanui      well, and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ?
12:28 cait         and?
12:28 cait         lol
12:28 wahanui      okay, cait.
12:28 cait         and I am also signing off on your patch :)
12:28 jcamins      However, it's in master, too.
12:28 cait         I accept that answer
12:28 cait         :)
12:28 cait         ok
12:27 jcamins      I have no idea.
12:26 cait         I never before noticed it and have no idea
12:26 cait         if you look at saved reports, there is type
12:26 cait         yep
12:26 jcamins      Type column?
12:26 cait         what is the type column on the saved reports page?
12:25 cait         still a questoin
12:25 cait         ok
12:25 cait         heh
12:25 jcamins      I much prefer doing work on the authorities code... I understand that.
12:24 jcamins      :)
12:24 cait         jcamins: cross fingers... testing webservice again ;)
12:12 jcamins      :)
12:12 cait         when I have that in bugzilla I  can go back to the reports webservice :)
12:11 cait         I am about to do a follow up for the multi line comments patch
12:11 cait         ah I see it now :)
11:49 jcamins      cait: the attachment on bug 8256.
11:48 cait         hm?
11:47 jcamins      I had meant that to be the first line in the message, not the subject of the attachment.
11:47 jcamins      Whoops.
11:46 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Reports webservice should allow selection by name
11:46 jcamins      cait: new patch for bug 8256.
11:39 drojf1       i guess indexing this would take weeks anyway
11:38 cait         drojf1: heh :)
11:38 jcamins      mbalmer: in both senses of the word.
11:37 drojf1       but 3.8 works
11:37 drojf1       the raspi does not like to import my 32mb of test data. i run out of memory and import fails :D
11:37 mbalmer      it's also true that the british don't drive on the right side.
11:33 cait         aha
11:31 jcamins      cait: it just isn't.
11:31 jcamins      cait: no, you were right to think that it should be the other way around.
11:30 cait         I am already confused by all the lefts and rights :)
11:30 cait         there are reasons I have no driving license
11:30 cait         hm
11:29 jcamins      cait: in a right-to-left language, left truncation is used for the type of search mbalmer described.
11:29 cait         I didn't really get reports about that
11:29 cait         or not my, but the
11:28 cait         maybe my problem are western librairans searching hebrew :)
11:27 cait         did I confuse directions or is it a language thing?
11:27 wahanui      i heard ah was ?
11:27 cait         ah?
11:27 jcamins      Yet one more example of the Western bias in technical terminology.
11:24 jcamins      cait: for future reference, rtl languages like Hebrew and Arabic actually use left truncation less than languages like English. :)
11:22 mbalmer      jcamins, I am experimenting with indexing (follow up to my marc datatype work) and I am trying to get left truncation support…  a bit hairy, yet.
11:22 cait         jcamins: guilty
11:21 jcamins      cait: you've never made sweet potato gnocchi?!?
11:21 cait         but found them in the supermarket yesterday...
11:21 Oak          got it
11:21 cait         first time I ever cook with sweet potato :)
11:21 Oak          hehe
11:21 cait         in theory
11:21 cait         sweet potato chips
11:21 cait         hm
11:21 Oak          ah okay. what are you making?
11:20 cait         Oak: preparing lunch. but around :)
11:20 jcamins      mbalmer: having left truncation would be cool, but since no software supports it, no one uses it.
11:19 mbalmer      thx
11:19 Oak          magnuse
11:18 jcamins_away mbalmer: no.
11:18 Oak          cait are you free?
11:10 wahanui      a challenge is probably that I would like to be able to specify that there has to be an exact match, except 'u's and 'v's can be interchangeable, as can be 'i's and 'j's.
11:10 mbalmer      and a challenge...
11:05 mbalmer      interesting aspect.
11:05 cait         and is needed for rtl languages like hebrew or arabic
11:04 cait         and I would thinkg htat the ability to do so is wanted
11:04 mbalmer      droj1, good hint with the weekdays...
11:04 cait         I think the question here is more: is it common to do left truncated searches
11:04 cait         it's not an easy question
11:04 drojf1       not a librarian but i doubt that normal people search like that often. you will probably catch more librarians during the week than on weekends
11:04 cait         not sure if it's common
11:02 mbalmer      (second try ;)
11:02 wahanui      i already had it that way, mbalmer.
11:02 mbalmer      a question to librarians:  is it common to search for word suffixes, eg: 'ary' to find things like 'dictionary', 'plenary' etc?
10:49 cait         everything is relative..
10:49 drojf1       ;)
10:49 drojf1       "win"
10:49 cait         you win
10:49 cait         brrrr
10:47 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
10:47 rangi        @wunder nzwn
10:46 cait         probably temperature is a relative thing
10:46 cait         brrr
10:45 cait         short skirts ;)
10:45 cait         yep, met lots of scottish dressed women and girls in town yesterday
10:45 drojf1       wow summery down there
10:45 cait         only a slight difference :P
10:45 huginn       cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 25.6°C (12:40 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
10:45 cait         @wunder Konstanz
10:45 huginn       drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (12:43 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
10:45 drojf1       @wunder berlin, germany
10:44 cait         heh
10:44 drojf1       southern states :P
10:44 cait         :)
10:43 cait         sunny here
10:41 drojf1       scottish weather here
10:41 drojf1       or maybe do shopping first, the rain just stopped
10:41 rangi        sweet
10:40 drojf1       i'll make a backup of the sd card now and try to upgrade to 3.8 and see what happens
10:40 rangi        yep, i wouldnt expect it to be fast
10:40 drojf1       but it's really slow, just a proof of concept. a search takes almost 30 seconds ;)
10:40 drojf1       i wonder if it would explode with plack :D
10:39 drojf1       rangi: i wanted to write all down while i install it but had some problems and then did not all documentation until the end, but i wanted to do this somehow this weekend
10:39 cait         ^^
10:38 rangi        id love to link it for the newsletter
10:38 rangi        drojf1: gonna do a blogpost about it?
10:38 rangi        nice!
10:38 drojf1       hey mle
10:38 mle          hi droif1
10:38 drojf1       koha runs on my raspberry pi ;)
10:38 drojf1       better not
10:38 drojf1       heh
10:37 cait         I don't dare to look at my online time
10:37 drojf1       altogether i a more often here on weekends than during the week i think ;)
10:37 cait         it's weekend - got the koha bug? ;)
10:37 cait         morning drojf1 :)
10:36 drojf1       hi #koha
09:33 cait         :)
09:32 mle_imac     cait I expect so. I dont have it yet, I expect slef to send me a disk of video to work on
08:42 druthb       rest stop, I think...back in a bit.
08:35 cait         he was te one who did the remote presentation
08:35 cait         mle_imac: can we upload jared's video with the others maybe?
08:33 cait         mle_imac: maybe slef can, not sure I have the email addresses
08:33 mbalmer      a question to librarians:  is it common to search for word suffixes, eg: 'ary' to find things like 'dictionary', 'plenary' etc?
08:32 mle_imac     also be good to contact Stefano and ask for slides/ let him know about the video
08:31 cait         on the page already
08:31 cait         ah I can :)
08:31 mle_imac     ty for reminding me
08:31 mle_imac     i did Chris's one, but forgot to do this one
08:31 cait         perhaps we should add the video links to the wiki too?
08:30 cait         heh
08:30 mle_imac     hey cait, the wine seemed to work
08:30 mle_imac     http://archive.org/details/AddingBrowseToKohaUsingSolr  new video uploaded.
08:30 cait         hi mle_imac :)
08:30 mle_imac     ahoy \koha
08:21 cait         sadly
08:21 cait         yep
08:20 Oak          ?/
08:20 Oak          back home cait
08:13 cait         not sure that's the reason
08:10 Oak          hmm. someone paying attention to our wiki, then this twitter account. we must be famous or something huh.
07:50 cait         someone noticed already
07:50 cait         ah
07:49 cait         seems kohagit on twitter has been hacked
07:49 cait         hm
07:45 cait         yeah, that's a plus
07:45 druthb       wifi_on_buses++
07:45 cait         ohoh
07:44 druthb       no beds on the bus, cait.
07:42 cait         druthb: go to bed!
07:42 cait         hi Oak and druthb
07:41 Oak          guten morgen cait
07:41 Oak          hello druthb :)
07:41 druthb       kia ora, Oak and cait! :)
07:37 Oak          kia ora #koha
06:39 mbalmer      woa, I can create full text index on MARC records that takes into account the language of a book for the stemmer and stop words (in pg, that is).
06:31 Cybermon     sorry
06:31 Cybermon     i don't have now.
06:30 mtj          ... of a problem cyrillic title or author?
06:29 mtj          can you give me an example?
06:29 Cybermon     when i search non-english records, opac show me all records for results
06:29 Cybermon     not searchable for opac
06:28 mtj          you are getting errors when importing? or searching?
06:28 Cybermon     problem indexing non-english records ?
06:27 Cybermon     yes. your right
06:27 Cybermon     my problem is not works cyrillic indexing in koha
06:27 mtj          are you having a problem indexing non-english records?
06:26 mtj          you do not need to make any changes to zebra, to index other languages
06:25 Cybermon     may be i put some files for /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs ?
06:24 Cybermon     what about other language indexing ?
06:24 Cybermon     ok.
06:24 mtj          Cybermon:  as far as i know, there is no option to select 'Primary language for Zebra indexing'
06:22 mtj          ... which is english
06:22 mtj          if it makes no difference... then choose the most common option...
06:22 Cybermon     okay.
06:21 mtj          choose 'en'  ? :)
06:20 Cybermon     what should i do ?
06:20 Cybermon     ok
06:19 mtj          it makes no difference, i think...
06:18 Cybermon     what i should remind for install such as for Primary language for Zebra indexing (en, fr, nb)
06:16 Cybermon     okay. i would like to indexing by mongolian, russian and english for koha?
06:15 mtj          more info?
06:13 Cybermon     do you know ?
06:11 Cybermon     i need some help for indexing
06:10 mtj          Cybermon:  whats your Koha problem?
06:08 Cybermon     hello
06:06 mbalmer      hello koha
05:26 Cybermon     who have experience unicode indexing for koha ?
05:25 Cybermon     hello all.
03:57 druthb       o/
01:02 wajasu       wait. letme set by branch to the tag v3.08.01
01:01 wajasu       got further but Error:  Can't locate Cache/Memcached/Fast.pm in @INC
00:44 wajasu       it the dh_install phase thats getting me.
00:43 wajasu       maybe building the po files is too much.  koha-common
00:43 wajasu       cp: writing `debian/koha-common/usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/sq-AL-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po': No space left on device
00:39 wajasu       ok. one more try.
00:19 wajasu       i have 1.8G available
00:19 wajasu       its empty.  gets cleared at end when script bails
00:18 jcamins_away wajasu: just clear out /var/cache/pbuilder/build/*
00:17 jcamins_away wajasu: 1.5G.
00:15 jcamins_away wajasu: I had to use --mirror because the default mirror wasn't working.
00:15 wajasu       how much space does one need to build-git-snapshot   my VM is 5G with 2.8G used before I run it.