Time Nick Message 21:14 eythian https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tecace.bookand 18:52 drojf1 meh, antisocial neighbour is back with bad music 18:51 cait :) 18:51 drojf1 yes. i want plack ;) 18:51 cait still working on your rasperry pi? :) 18:49 drojf1 Swap: 7807552k total <- yeah, external swap :D 18:49 drojf1 Mem: 223348k total 18:43 cait hm ok, http:recorder didn't run 18:40 cait life is not fair 18:37 * cait curses 18:37 cait and now it stopped working??? 18:29 jcamins Sure. 18:27 * cait pokes jcamins 18:24 cait my firefox is german 18:24 cait jcamins: can I out your screenshot in the wiki? 18:23 cait mysterious. 18:23 jcamins Nope. 18:22 cait jcamins: the proxy needs to be turned on while I run it? 18:22 mbalmer_ cait++ 18:22 cait and I haven't changed anything 18:22 cait for the first time 18:22 cait with all tests ok 18:22 cait the script just ran through 18:22 cait s 18:22 cait jcamins: gues 18:18 jcamins :) 18:18 cait jcamins: so... if we can find out why the other script is not working... this day would not be a total waste 18:17 mbalmer_ ::1, fwiw ;) 18:17 cait at least a little success 18:17 cait yes 18:17 jcamins That fixed it? :) 18:17 cait AHA! 18:16 cait 127.0.0.1 18:16 cait aha 18:16 cait and durng the hackfest it didn't work for intranet 18:16 cait it worked during the hackfest... but not here 18:15 jcamins This is my configuration: http://screencast.com/t/OtFH1ArKP 18:14 cait intranet, opac or google 18:14 cait now I can't open anything 18:14 cait ok 18:13 cait all the same system, nothing virtual or remote 18:13 cait yes 18:13 jcamins Provided you are running http-recorder on the same system you are using the web browser on. 18:13 cait I can't reach localhost now 18:13 jcamins Yes. 18:12 cait I put localhost into the http-proxy? 18:11 cait let me restart the browser and try it again 18:11 jcamins Use Firefox, set the *HTTP Proxy* and clear out the "No proxy for" box. 18:11 cait hmpf?! 18:11 jcamins I gave you wrong instructions. 18:11 jcamins Oh, figured it out. 18:10 cait can we do this step by step for stupi dwith firefox maybe? 18:09 cait and the socks thing breaks everything 18:09 cait in chromium you can't tell it to ignore anything 18:09 cait and firefox 18:09 cait I was trying it with chromium 18:09 cait ok 18:08 jcamins You have to tell the SOCKS proxy not to ignore localhost. 18:06 dpavlin drojf1: depending on arch a bit, but yes for 1 process. 18:06 mbalmer_ sweet 18:06 dpavlin mbalmer_: yap. with web-server-independent layer and server written under that 18:06 cait not for intranet 18:06 cait it just won't and won't work for me 18:06 cait ok, I need help with http::recorder 18:02 drojf1 it was ~60mb more ram, right? 18:02 mbalmer_ plack is essentially FastCGI, right? 18:01 dpavlin drojf1: OPAC should work, I don't think we need aditional patches for OPAC since biblibre is using this in production. 17:59 drojf1 dpavlin: will the plack opac described here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack#Running_OPAC work with a deb package installation of 3.8.1? 16:35 jcamins Okay, the indexer daemon now works great. :) 16:23 * dpavlin official gone to watch YAPC::NA videos he missed at http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE3F888A650339DDF&feature=plcp 16:21 cait mle++ 16:20 * jcamins figures out the problem. 16:20 jcamins ... huh? 16:19 jcamins dpavlin's suggestion of removing AUTOLOAD from C4::Context may be the needed one. 16:18 jcamins Well, go figure. 16:18 * mle casts willpower +100 16:17 cait heh 16:16 * jcamins wills cait's bash script to work. 16:16 * cait tries wiling jcamin's indexer to work 16:16 cait *sigh* 16:14 jcamins Nope. 16:13 cait because it does not work for me :( 16:13 cait does it work for anyone else? 16:13 cait ok 16:09 * mbalmer_ wills his PostgreSQL indexer to work 16:07 * jcamins wills his indexer daemon to work. 16:07 * cait wills her bash script to work 16:03 jcamins However, this is a different problem. 16:01 jcamins No, it doesn't. 15:59 jcamins Wait, yes it does. 15:58 jcamins And it doesn't work with fork, either. 15:55 jcamins My release-tool. 15:55 jcamins Ah, of course. 15:55 jcamins Ummm... why was I doing things with waitpid recently? 15:55 cait I am still stuck with modern perl 15:55 cait ah no thx 15:55 * mbalmer_ hands cait a copy of "The UNIX Haters Handbook"... 15:54 cait does anyone want some noodle salad? 15:54 * cait hands jcamins another fork and dpavlin a glass of water 15:52 jcamins And the fork didn't work. 15:50 dpavlin cait: and \* is really just like it looks -- you shouldn't have-to-have it in your code :-) 15:49 * jcamins grumbles, and puts in fork. 15:49 jcamins Oh, fine. 15:48 dpavlin cait: depends, now I have to get a glass of water :-) I don't know, I can use it but I don't enjoy it. 15:48 jcamins \* does not do what I thought. 15:47 cait dpavlin: is that good or bad? 15:47 jcamins That's just weird. 15:47 jcamins And... 15:47 dpavlin I did just a tiny bit of AnyEvent work, and it left me with dried mouth 15:46 jcamins dpavlin: I could fix it by just forking and adding a ->recv to each object, but that is inelegant. 15:45 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "$self is not defined when the $cb->recv is called in outside this SUB" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/460 15:44 jcamins dpavlin: no, the problem is my AnyEvent callback. 15:44 * dpavlin takes a peek to see where jcamins fork is 15:43 * dpavlin hides 15:43 dpavlin jcamins: remove AUTOLOAD from C4::Context? 15:40 jcamins Maybe some sort of symbol table black magic? 15:39 jcamins Is there any way to get around the fact that $self->whatever() is actually a shorthand for whatever($self)? 15:38 jcamins Okay, let's think this through. 15:38 * cait gets a new fork to eat her noodle salad 15:37 mbalmer_ heh ;) 15:36 * cait hands jcamins a fork 15:35 * jcamins mutters angrily about fork, and $self not existing. 15:35 mbalmer_ I know, I know.... 15:35 drojf1 you are sending mixed messages 15:35 drojf1 (17:09:10) mbalmer_: Perl is fine. 15:35 jcamins mbalmer_: threading is much more pleasant in C, I will give you that. 15:34 * mbalmer_ thinks perl is really rather an illness than a programming language... 15:33 jcamins \*sub{ } removes the lexical scoping. 15:33 jcamins sub{ } produces an anonymous routine with lexical scope. 15:32 jcamins Mystery solved. 15:32 jcamins Ah-ha. 15:31 * jcamins mutters angrily about the inelegance of running fork in a loop. 15:27 jcamins diff tells me that these are almost identical. 15:24 drojf1 you could try to batter them and fry, like a mars bar 15:24 jcamins I don't get it. 15:23 mbalmer_ sure. I don't like them raw... 15:23 drojf1 for the cats? 15:22 mbalmer_ speaking of, do we have any good recipes? 15:22 drojf1 low hanging kitten :D 15:21 mbalmer_ low hanging fruit, drojf1... 15:21 jcamins Right. 15:21 mbalmer_ so it's only the text that should be changed? 15:20 * jcamins thinks B) is more important here. 15:20 jcamins A) it hasn't been true since 3.2 and B) people expect cataloguing to be logged. 15:19 jcamins That is inaccurate. 15:19 drojf1 "CataloguingLog: [Log|Don't log] any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not advisable to turn this on." <- why is this enabled by default then? 15:18 jcamins Why are my watchers going out of scope so thoroughly? 15:17 * jcamins scratches his head. 15:13 wajasu ok. got my VM to build koha-common for v3.08.01. not that i need to, but now i understand what it takes with pbuilder and space needs. 15:11 mbalmer_ I just come from another corner, Unix kernel developer. Perl is impractical there... 15:10 mbalmer_ Perl is fine. 15:10 dpavlin mbalmer_: but perl is tiny: http://git.rot13.org/?p=MQR.git;a=tree;f=scripts (safe to click, no perl code on page :-) 15:09 mbalmer_ (like most of my software) 15:09 dpavlin mbalmer_: It's perl, don't click! 15:09 mbalmer_ the only irc bots I wrote are in C. 15:08 dpavlin but this one is not mine, and I would love to know all commands. @help? 15:08 dpavlin mbalmer_: I wrote multi-protocol bots using redis before: http://git.rot13.org/?p=MQR.git 15:08 cait I have spent all afternoon trying to get the existing script work for me :( 15:08 cait dpavlin: growl 15:07 jcamins dpavlin: would be very useful on the wiki. 15:06 dpavlin would it make sense to move them to wiki or even master ? 15:05 dpavlin cait: I have some Test::WWW::Mechanize examples for create/remove user at http://svn.rot13.org/index.cgi/virtual-ldap/browse/t/koha 15:05 mbalmer_ cool feature. 15:05 cait so still works when you are logged in I think 15:05 cait later tell will give him the message next time he says something 15:04 mbalmer_ yes, those screen sessions, I know :) 15:04 dpavlin that doesn't garantee anything, as you know from my example :-) 15:03 mbalmer_ hi dobrica, thanks. but I just saw that slef is logged in... 15:03 dpavlin mbalmer_: you can use @later tell nick some text 14:56 mbalmer_ ah crap, not even logged in... ;) 14:56 mbalmer_ slef, ayt? 13:37 cait :) 13:33 jcamins Smoothie. :) 13:22 cait what are you making with it? 13:21 jcamins Should still be tasty enough. 13:20 cait :( 13:19 jcamins This mango took almost a week to ripen, and it's _still_ not entirely ripe. 13:16 jcamins I was thinking it would be nice to provide a wizard that uses javascript graphing libraries. 13:15 cait magnuse: you should talk to marijana - she wanted something like that 13:14 * magnuse runs off 13:14 magnuse w00t! 13:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 13:14 magnuse @wunder boo 13:14 magnuse oh well, i gotta run some errands... 13:13 magnuse this reminds me i was toying with the idea of making it possible to create a template for displaying a report... 13:13 cait *sigh* 13:13 cait we show 1 on the summary... 13:13 cait and instead of showing tabular 13:13 cait the others were never implemented 13:13 cait yeah 13:12 magnuse but only Tabular is available, to be chosen? 13:12 jcamins With matrix and summary not being implemented. 13:12 magnuse Tabular, Summary or Matrix are the options 13:12 jcamins Ah, tabular, matrix, or summary. 13:11 magnuse not really 13:11 jcamins magnuse: any idea what type is for? 13:11 magnuse huh? when you "Create report from SQL" you can choose "Type", but not when you edit it later? 12:31 jcamins cait: I saw. 12:31 cait jcamins: wahanui stole your patch ;) 12:29 jcamins lol 12:29 tcohen hi cait 12:29 cait hi tcohen 12:28 cait lol 12:28 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) 12:28 cait and I? 12:28 wahanui well, and is that patch only for "$" or for "$ CAD" ? 12:28 cait and? 12:28 cait lol 12:28 wahanui okay, cait. 12:28 cait and I am also signing off on your patch :) 12:28 jcamins However, it's in master, too. 12:28 cait I accept that answer 12:28 cait :) 12:28 cait ok 12:27 jcamins I have no idea. 12:26 cait I never before noticed it and have no idea 12:26 cait if you look at saved reports, there is type 12:26 cait yep 12:26 jcamins Type column? 12:26 cait what is the type column on the saved reports page? 12:25 cait still a questoin 12:25 cait ok 12:25 cait heh 12:25 jcamins I much prefer doing work on the authorities code... I understand that. 12:24 jcamins :) 12:24 cait jcamins: cross fingers... testing webservice again ;) 12:12 jcamins :) 12:12 cait when I have that in bugzilla I can go back to the reports webservice :) 12:11 cait I am about to do a follow up for the multi line comments patch 12:11 cait ah I see it now :) 11:49 jcamins cait: the attachment on bug 8256. 11:48 cait hm? 11:47 jcamins I had meant that to be the first line in the message, not the subject of the attachment. 11:47 jcamins Whoops. 11:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Reports webservice should allow selection by name 11:46 jcamins cait: new patch for bug 8256. 11:39 drojf1 i guess indexing this would take weeks anyway 11:38 cait drojf1: heh :) 11:38 jcamins mbalmer: in both senses of the word. 11:37 drojf1 but 3.8 works 11:37 drojf1 the raspi does not like to import my 32mb of test data. i run out of memory and import fails :D 11:37 mbalmer it's also true that the british don't drive on the right side. 11:33 cait aha 11:31 jcamins cait: it just isn't. 11:31 jcamins cait: no, you were right to think that it should be the other way around. 11:30 cait I am already confused by all the lefts and rights :) 11:30 cait there are reasons I have no driving license 11:30 cait hm 11:29 jcamins cait: in a right-to-left language, left truncation is used for the type of search mbalmer described. 11:29 cait I didn't really get reports about that 11:29 cait or not my, but the 11:28 cait maybe my problem are western librairans searching hebrew :) 11:27 cait did I confuse directions or is it a language thing? 11:27 wahanui i heard ah was ? 11:27 cait ah? 11:27 jcamins Yet one more example of the Western bias in technical terminology. 11:24 jcamins cait: for future reference, rtl languages like Hebrew and Arabic actually use left truncation less than languages like English. :) 11:22 mbalmer jcamins, I am experimenting with indexing (follow up to my marc datatype work) and I am trying to get left truncation support… a bit hairy, yet. 11:22 cait jcamins: guilty 11:21 jcamins cait: you've never made sweet potato gnocchi?!? 11:21 cait but found them in the supermarket yesterday... 11:21 Oak got it 11:21 cait first time I ever cook with sweet potato :) 11:21 Oak hehe 11:21 cait in theory 11:21 cait sweet potato chips 11:21 cait hm 11:21 Oak ah okay. what are you making? 11:20 cait Oak: preparing lunch. but around :) 11:20 jcamins mbalmer: having left truncation would be cool, but since no software supports it, no one uses it. 11:19 mbalmer thx 11:19 Oak magnuse 11:18 jcamins_away mbalmer: no. 11:18 Oak cait are you free? 11:10 wahanui a challenge is probably that I would like to be able to specify that there has to be an exact match, except 'u's and 'v's can be interchangeable, as can be 'i's and 'j's. 11:10 mbalmer and a challenge... 11:05 mbalmer interesting aspect. 11:05 cait and is needed for rtl languages like hebrew or arabic 11:04 cait and I would thinkg htat the ability to do so is wanted 11:04 mbalmer droj1, good hint with the weekdays... 11:04 cait I think the question here is more: is it common to do left truncated searches 11:04 cait it's not an easy question 11:04 drojf1 not a librarian but i doubt that normal people search like that often. you will probably catch more librarians during the week than on weekends 11:04 cait not sure if it's common 11:02 mbalmer (second try ;) 11:02 wahanui i already had it that way, mbalmer. 11:02 mbalmer a question to librarians: is it common to search for word suffixes, eg: 'ary' to find things like 'dictionary', 'plenary' etc? 10:49 cait everything is relative.. 10:49 drojf1 ;) 10:49 drojf1 "win" 10:49 cait you win 10:49 cait brrrr 10:47 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (10:00 PM NZST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 10:47 rangi @wunder nzwn 10:46 cait probably temperature is a relative thing 10:46 cait brrr 10:45 cait short skirts ;) 10:45 cait yep, met lots of scottish dressed women and girls in town yesterday 10:45 drojf1 wow summery down there 10:45 cait only a slight difference :P 10:45 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 25.6°C (12:40 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 10:45 cait @wunder Konstanz 10:45 huginn drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.8°C (12:43 PM CEST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 10:45 drojf1 @wunder berlin, germany 10:44 cait heh 10:44 drojf1 southern states :P 10:44 cait :) 10:43 cait sunny here 10:41 drojf1 scottish weather here 10:41 drojf1 or maybe do shopping first, the rain just stopped 10:41 rangi sweet 10:40 drojf1 i'll make a backup of the sd card now and try to upgrade to 3.8 and see what happens 10:40 rangi yep, i wouldnt expect it to be fast 10:40 drojf1 but it's really slow, just a proof of concept. a search takes almost 30 seconds ;) 10:40 drojf1 i wonder if it would explode with plack :D 10:39 drojf1 rangi: i wanted to write all down while i install it but had some problems and then did not all documentation until the end, but i wanted to do this somehow this weekend 10:39 cait ^^ 10:38 rangi id love to link it for the newsletter 10:38 rangi drojf1: gonna do a blogpost about it? 10:38 rangi nice! 10:38 drojf1 hey mle 10:38 mle hi droif1 10:38 drojf1 koha runs on my raspberry pi ;) 10:38 drojf1 better not 10:38 drojf1 heh 10:37 cait I don't dare to look at my online time 10:37 drojf1 altogether i a more often here on weekends than during the week i think ;) 10:37 cait it's weekend - got the koha bug? ;) 10:37 cait morning drojf1 :) 10:36 drojf1 hi #koha 09:33 cait :) 09:32 mle_imac cait I expect so. I dont have it yet, I expect slef to send me a disk of video to work on 08:42 druthb rest stop, I think...back in a bit. 08:35 cait he was te one who did the remote presentation 08:35 cait mle_imac: can we upload jared's video with the others maybe? 08:33 cait mle_imac: maybe slef can, not sure I have the email addresses 08:33 mbalmer a question to librarians: is it common to search for word suffixes, eg: 'ary' to find things like 'dictionary', 'plenary' etc? 08:32 mle_imac also be good to contact Stefano and ask for slides/ let him know about the video 08:31 cait on the page already 08:31 cait ah I can :) 08:31 mle_imac ty for reminding me 08:31 mle_imac i did Chris's one, but forgot to do this one 08:31 cait perhaps we should add the video links to the wiki too? 08:30 cait heh 08:30 mle_imac hey cait, the wine seemed to work 08:30 mle_imac http://archive.org/details/AddingBrowseToKohaUsingSolr new video uploaded. 08:30 cait hi mle_imac :) 08:30 mle_imac ahoy \koha 08:21 cait sadly 08:21 cait yep 08:20 Oak ?/ 08:20 Oak back home cait 08:13 cait not sure that's the reason 08:10 Oak hmm. someone paying attention to our wiki, then this twitter account. we must be famous or something huh. 07:50 cait someone noticed already 07:50 cait ah 07:49 cait seems kohagit on twitter has been hacked 07:49 cait hm 07:45 cait yeah, that's a plus 07:45 druthb wifi_on_buses++ 07:45 cait ohoh 07:44 druthb no beds on the bus, cait. 07:42 cait druthb: go to bed! 07:42 cait hi Oak and druthb 07:41 Oak guten morgen cait 07:41 Oak hello druthb :) 07:41 druthb kia ora, Oak and cait! :) 07:37 Oak kia ora #koha 06:39 mbalmer woa, I can create full text index on MARC records that takes into account the language of a book for the stemmer and stop words (in pg, that is). 06:31 Cybermon sorry 06:31 Cybermon i don't have now. 06:30 mtj ... of a problem cyrillic title or author? 06:29 mtj can you give me an example? 06:29 Cybermon when i search non-english records, opac show me all records for results 06:29 Cybermon not searchable for opac 06:28 mtj you are getting errors when importing? or searching? 06:28 Cybermon problem indexing non-english records ? 06:27 Cybermon yes. your right 06:27 Cybermon my problem is not works cyrillic indexing in koha 06:27 mtj are you having a problem indexing non-english records? 06:26 mtj you do not need to make any changes to zebra, to index other languages 06:25 Cybermon may be i put some files for /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs ? 06:24 Cybermon what about other language indexing ? 06:24 Cybermon ok. 06:24 mtj Cybermon: as far as i know, there is no option to select 'Primary language for Zebra indexing' 06:22 mtj ... which is english 06:22 mtj if it makes no difference... then choose the most common option... 06:22 Cybermon okay. 06:21 mtj choose 'en' ? :) 06:20 Cybermon what should i do ? 06:20 Cybermon ok 06:19 mtj it makes no difference, i think... 06:18 Cybermon what i should remind for install such as for Primary language for Zebra indexing (en, fr, nb) 06:16 Cybermon okay. i would like to indexing by mongolian, russian and english for koha? 06:15 mtj more info? 06:13 Cybermon do you know ? 06:11 Cybermon i need some help for indexing 06:10 mtj Cybermon: whats your Koha problem? 06:08 Cybermon hello 06:06 mbalmer hello koha 05:26 Cybermon who have experience unicode indexing for koha ? 05:25 Cybermon hello all. 03:57 druthb o/ 01:02 wajasu wait. letme set by branch to the tag v3.08.01 01:01 wajasu got further but Error: Can't locate Cache/Memcached/Fast.pm in @INC 00:44 wajasu it the dh_install phase thats getting me. 00:43 wajasu maybe building the po files is too much. koha-common 00:43 wajasu cp: writing `debian/koha-common/usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/sq-AL-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po': No space left on device 00:39 wajasu ok. one more try. 00:19 wajasu i have 1.8G available 00:19 wajasu its empty. gets cleared at end when script bails 00:18 jcamins_away wajasu: just clear out /var/cache/pbuilder/build/* 00:17 jcamins_away wajasu: 1.5G. 00:15 jcamins_away wajasu: I had to use --mirror because the default mirror wasn't working. 00:15 wajasu how much space does one need to build-git-snapshot my VM is 5G with 2.8G used before I run it.