Time  Nick           Message
23:44 drojf          ah, ok
23:44 eythian        it's there now, just have one or two things still to add to it
23:44 eythian        oh, I'm adding 3.6 to the k-c repo, so there'll be an "oldstable" distrib on it.
23:43 drojf          do
23:43 drojf          or what di you mean by oldstable?
23:42 drojf          it may or may not be relevant that i changed the path so i get no complains about missing arm packages
23:42 drojf          i used deb http://apt.cpbibliography.com/koha dists/3.6.x/main/binary-i386/
23:40 eythian        drojf: you were using "oldstable"?
23:40 eythian        will double check that some time
23:40 eythian        hmm curious
23:39 drojf          wasn't there for me ;)
23:38 wajasu         thx
23:38 eythian        (though the 3.6 repo isn't really quite official yet)
23:38 eythian        drojf: that should also be in the 3.6 repo, fwiw
23:37 drojf          jcamins_away: i think the dependency i had to get from the 3.8 repo to install 3.6 was libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
23:37 eythian        Not sure, hopefully early in the week
23:37 wajasu         so when do you think you will have those new deps available?  i can work on something else until those are ready.
23:36 eythian        by the end of the cycle they tend to diverge slightly with package-specific changes, but they always go into upstream master
23:35 eythian        I think (aside from changelog changes) the squeeze packages are exactly 3.8
23:35 eythian        yeah
23:35 wajasu         ok.  so for patches against the latest release, I'm ok.
23:34 eythian        squeeze tracks current stable
23:34 eythian        squeeze-dev tracks master
23:34 eythian        I tend to build against unstable actually, it gives me forewarning of packages going away.
23:34 wajasu         and what does squeeze-dev give me over squeeze?
23:34 eythian        I don't
23:33 wajasu         should i be putting squeeze and main after the mirror?
23:33 wajasu         i did pbuilder create --othermirror 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main' --mirror http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian
23:31 eythian        and writes them into debian/control
23:31 eythian        it just regenerates the list of dependencies
23:30 wajasu         haven't use that yet.
23:30 eythian        and I have a patch in bugzilla to make it understand the ones that don't exist in debian
23:30 eythian        (automagically)
23:30 eythian        debian/update-control will do that where it can
23:30 eythian        yeah
23:30 wajasu         for my understanding, will you then add those to the debian/control file as a dependency  on master?
23:29 eythian        probably best for now :)
23:28 wajasu         so i'll set my branch back to v3.08.01
23:28 eythian        so I'm going to create some and put them in the koha repo
23:27 eythian        s/yet//
23:27 eythian        wajasu: well, the CHI etc. packages don't exist in Debian squeeze yet
23:27 wajasu         what do you guys change.  the debian/... control files?   or should i wait.   or should I just git clone, and in my branch use v3.08.01 for now.
23:26 eythian        I'm working on packaging those
23:26 eythian        wajasu: yep
23:25 wajasu         i guess to build-git-snapshot, one needs CHI CHI::Driver::Memcached and Template::Plugin::HtmlToText
23:20 drojf          for 3.8 all seemed to be there, it was more some problem with koha-create
23:19 jcamins_away   It's XS for me.
23:19 jcamins_away   eythian: but do they have it in the raspberry pi repo yet?
23:19 drojf          jcamins_away: i had to get one dependency from the 3.8 repo before i could install 3.6
23:19 eythian        that's in regular debian, I think
23:18 jcamins_away   DateTime.
23:18 eythian        I don't have any non-pure-perl ones built.
23:17 eythian        there are, I'm curious about what they are
23:17 jcamins_away   eythian: there are a few extra dependencies for 3.8 that will be problems with ARM.
23:15 eythian        oh, a little while ago :)
23:14 drojf          mom
23:14 drojf          ;)
23:14 drojf          when did you sneak in?
23:14 eythian        I don't think they should be hugely different
23:14 eythian        drojf: what issues with 3.8 did you have?
23:13 drojf          cjh: i tried to document the setup but ran in problems with the deb packages for 3.8 (not pi-related i think). i re-did it with jcamins_away's 3.6 repo. i try to write it down over the weekend. basically i just tweaked apt to use the repo (that has no official arm packages) and used packages.
23:11 cjh            rangi: wb :)
23:11 cjh            drojf: do you have any notes on the set up you used? (ie web server, distro, etc.)
23:11 wajasu         coolbeans
23:11 drojf          raspberry pi is arm-based
23:11 cjh            resberry is an arm based mini computer, kind of :)
23:10 wajasu         or is rasberry an arm-based cpu
23:10 cjh            drojf: awesome.
23:10 wajasu         give some stats/benchmark so when folks run it on arm, they can compare.
23:09 jcamins_away   drojf++
23:09 drojf          for the record: koha runs on a raspberry pi. slooowly
23:09 drojf          :)
23:04 jcamins_away   Heh.
23:02 rangi          weird being back in the timezone where everyone is asleep again
22:02 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
22:02 jcamins        @later tell cait Updated patch on bug 8256.
21:50 huginn         04Bug 8135: critical, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Services Directory and itemrecorddisplay.pl File Missing After Install
21:50 gml            cait: it was http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8135
21:50 gml            cait: found error from yesterday
21:47 jcamins        Plus, pbuilder requires proc.
21:47 jcamins        wajasu: you have to do something complicated to get pbuilder to go somewhere other than /var/cache/pbuilder.
21:43 wajasu         i build the tar.gz, and there is a point where it  untars, but now its trying to untar /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz   as koha, and since the chroot failed using fakeroot(i think), its trying to do it in my VM.
21:40 jcamins        build-git-snapshot uses sudo to do that.
21:39 jcamins        pbuilder must run as root.
21:39 jcamins        No, the script runs as your Koha user.
21:39 jcamins        So you have to either have sshfs remap uid 0 to your koha user (no idea how to do that) or mount via root.
21:39 wajasu         so that script must run as root.
21:39 jcamins        pbuilder uses chroot.
21:38 jcamins        Yes, that would be the problem.
21:38 wajasu         even though i run it as my "koha" user.  i am using sshfs, and -o allow_other
21:38 jcamins        Alternatively, you are mounting in userspace?
21:36 jcamins        wajasu: it should be shelling out to sudo.
21:35 wajasu         so close
21:35 wajasu         now with build-git-snapshot  i get      Cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: Permission denied
21:34 cait           night all :)
21:28 rangi          wow its pouring
21:26 wajasu         i changed BUILDPLACE  /var/cache/pbuilder/build  to get it to write to mounted filesystem for space.
21:04 jcamins        You're welcome.
21:03 drojf          thanks
21:03 * magnuse      wanders off again
21:03 jcamins        apt.cpbibliography.com/koha 3.6.x main
21:03 magnuse        yay!
21:03 jcamins        drojf: I do.
21:03 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:50 PM CEST on June 15, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
21:03 magnuse        @wunder boo
20:57 drojf          if so, where is it?
20:57 drojf          jcamins: do you still have that 3.6 repo?
20:55 wajasu         :o
20:55 jcamins        wajasu: you're out of diskspace.
20:55 wajasu         using build-git support,  but get tar: koha-build/labels: Cannot mkdir: No space left on device
20:24 wizzyrea       a bit warm, but gorgeous
20:24 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.2°C (3:23 PM CDT on June 15, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
20:24 wizzyrea       @wunder 66049
20:22 rangi          yeah, staying inside with the heater on I think
20:22 cait           indoor activities then?
20:21 rangi          nope, its yuck
20:20 cait           not really outdoor weather
20:20 cait           hm
20:13 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
20:13 rangi          @wunder nzwn
20:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
20:09 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - followup to fix t/Creators.t
20:09 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
20:09 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #55: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/55/
20:01 cait           jcamins: aorund?
19:55 * cait         waves
19:55 rangi          hi brylie_
19:47 rangi          http://www.ptfs-europe.com/kohacon12-2/
19:47 rangi          http://drupal.biblibre.com/fr/blog/billet/la-kohacon-2012-est-termin%C3%A9e
19:47 rangi          definitely not drojf, you should try to catch eythian next time he is around, he is still in your timezone :)
19:35 cait           sorry, still haven't played with the packages
19:35 drojf          it should not try to delete a different user than it tried to create?!
19:35 drojf          debian
19:35 cait           are you installing on ubuntu?
19:34 cait           looks like mysql
19:34 drojf          either i am missing something or there is a problem with the package?!
19:34 drojf          i get 'ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation CREATE USER failed for 'name'@'%''on :8080 i then see Unknown database 'koha2' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758. and severl more lines of errors. when i then use 'koha-remove name' i get 'ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_koha2'@'%''
19:34 drojf          when i use 'koha-create --create-db name'
19:32 cait           I think all the rest can be easily done with reports
19:31 cait           ... and makes it even easier to get your data out of Koha
19:30 jcamins        :)
19:24 cait           works perfectly
19:24 cait           amazing auth export :)
19:24 cait           jcamins++
19:22 cait           rangi++ ... of course I had the syntax wrong, my marc files read quite nicely now
19:19 jenkins_koha   Starting build #55 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:08 cait           lol
19:07 * mle          goes out for another bottle of wine
19:07 * mle          looks at that pile of video editing
19:06 * rangi        will bbiab
19:05 rangi          oooh an awake 3 year old
19:04 rangi          the bus system in edinburgh is really quite fantastic
19:04 drojf          i have my edinburgh with me, bottled
19:04 rangi          i luckily could catch the n22 night bus, which left just around the corner from our hotel
19:04 * drojf        drinks innis & gunn rum finish
19:02 cait           but the view was nice
19:02 cait           I was all sweaty carrying around all my stuff when I reached waverly :(
19:02 rangi          but i had a window seat so i got a great view
19:02 cait           yeah
19:02 mle            indeed
19:02 rangi          heh, the morning i flew out, was the best weather we'd had :)
19:02 mle            its "warm" here, "warm" and "dry"
19:01 mle            ahoy from sunny embrah
19:01 rangi          hey mle :)
19:00 cait           I should looked in my wiki
19:00 cait           hmm
19:00 rangi          right?
19:00 rangi          marcdump file | less
18:59 cait           Couldn't open less: Died at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File.pm line 71.
18:59 cait           or does it not work because it's authorities?
18:59 cait           should I be able to use marcdump less on the exported files?
18:59 * wajasu       testing building debian packages in my koha dev VM ( using robin's build-git-snapshot)
18:59 cait           hmm
18:57 sekjal         have a great [timeofday], #koha!
18:57 sekjal         I'm going to head back to my office, and get some UMass-related work done before I leave
18:57 jcamins        Good morning, rangi.
18:57 jcamins        sekjal++
18:57 jcamins        Yay!
18:56 mle            rangi : )
18:56 rangi          yay sekjal
18:56 sekjal         well, my scholarly retreat time is just about over.  QAQ under 10, as I'd hoped.  I think I can be satisfied with today's work
18:55 cait           good morning rangi :)
18:55 cait           sounds like you needed it
18:54 wizzyrea       good stuff!
18:54 rangi          12 hours sleep :)
18:54 * wizzyrea     is impressed you're awake
18:54 wizzyrea       heya!
18:53 wizzyrea       imo.
18:53 rangi          morning
18:53 wizzyrea       the big buttons look dumb on both sides though.
18:46 wizzyrea       heh.
18:46 SJeffery       It kinda looks like someone reworked the left side and then stopped.
18:46 wizzyrea       well I have my window up pretty big.
18:45 cait           wizzyrea: lots of free space on one side, almost no space on the other
18:45 wizzyrea       yes, we could all do well to hear that voice in our heads now and again
18:45 cait           dpavlin: heh
18:45 cait           more room between lines
18:45 jcamins        cait: attached a new patch.
18:45 dpavlin        cait: I can hear Marijana's voice in my head: "I will have to send e-mail to librarians about this change"
18:45 wizzyrea       such as?
18:45 cait           maybe with some css tweaking to the right side?
18:44 cait           hm
18:44 wizzyrea       hm, not sure how I feel about this: http://screencast.com/t/RmcLaMre9l
18:44 cait           oleonard++ for shiny new tabs
18:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authorities to export tool
18:40 cait           bug 8202
18:40 jcamins        After I finish this commit.
18:40 cait           moving on to the other
18:40 * jcamins      will fix the marclist issue.
18:40 cait           k
18:40 jcamins        Yeah, I'll do that in a follow-up.
18:40 jcamins        It does indeed.
18:40 cait           the see from option is gone
18:40 jcamins        Hm.
18:39 jcamins        I could have uploaded the wrong patch.
18:39 cait           marclist seems doubled up to me
18:39 cait           http://paste.koha-community.org/453
18:39 cait           perhaps it's just me getting it wrong
18:39 jcamins        With the warnings.
18:39 cait           let me show you my paste
18:39 jcamins        I thought I fixed it.
18:39 cait           hm?
18:39 cait           it seems to me
18:39 jcamins        That was the problem you pointed out to me earlier.
18:39 jcamins        cait: we have two fields with the same name still?
18:38 cait           and wonder why we have 2 fields with the same name? not sure if that's intended?
18:38 cait           I am looking at the html form
18:38 cait           jcamins: hmm
18:37 jcamins        I rebased it just a few minutes ago.
18:37 jcamins        I would think so.
18:36 cait           it also applies ;)
18:36 jcamins        Indeed it is. :)
18:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
18:35 wahanui        bug 8206 is ready for your sign off.
18:35 cait           bug 8206
18:26 sekjal         is that what everyone else is seeing?
18:26 sekjal         so, the difference (I think) is whether we let some of the multiple holds go through, or if we say "Hey, too many, go change your selection to less than X"
18:25 sekjal         in fact, given the warning message, I'm sure it doesn't
18:25 sekjal         all in all, it seems simpler and more direct.  but it may not do the iterative calculation that the first does
18:23 sekjal         I like the second patches' warning message in the OPAC
18:20 wizzyrea       ;)
18:20 wizzyrea       you know the one.
18:20 * wizzyrea     gives sekjal "the look"
18:20 sekjal         easy:  stop doing holds
18:20 jcamins        sekjal: right. And without any sort of global holds limit, there's no way around that.
18:19 wizzyrea       hold limits are currently totally broken
18:19 wizzyrea       from anywhere, I think
18:18 sekjal         so the root of the problem is that doing multiple holds at once from the results list bypasses the limit?
18:18 * jcamins      isn't. I was fine with the first patch.
18:18 wizzyrea       i'm a waffler.
18:17 wizzyrea       i know but ...
18:17 jcamins        At least, that's what it looked like to me.
18:17 jcamins        wizzyrea: the second patch is a rewrite of the first.
18:16 sekjal         wizzyrea:  reading patches, will try to formulate an informed opinion
18:16 wizzyrea       or do you have an opinion on that because… that really needs to be fixed.
18:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC
18:16 wizzyrea       sekjal - opinion - on bug 6976 which fix do you think is better?
18:15 sekjal         paul_p will have plenty of work for Monday :)
18:15 wizzyrea       sekjal++
18:15 sekjal         QAQ = 9
18:14 * wizzyrea     returns from lunch
18:13 jcamins        My change worked.
18:13 jcamins        Cool.
18:10 jcamins        Yup.
18:09 cait           ah report name?
18:09 cait           selection by name?
18:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Reports webservice should allow selection by name
18:09 jcamins        Bug 8256
18:09 jcamins        No.
18:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Local cover images should be cacheable
18:09 jcamins        Bug 8255.
18:08 cait           what are you working on?
18:08 cait           oh
18:07 * jcamins      carries on.
18:07 jcamins        Surprisingly few places, actually.
18:06 cait           too many?
18:05 jcamins        How many places do you think we use get_saved_report?
17:59 sekjal         sorry, kylemhall... probably a simple rebase, but I know how annoying those can be to have to do repeatedly
17:59 sekjal         well that was anti-climactic... doesn't apply
17:55 cait           :)
17:50 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , attach PDF files to a patron record
17:50 sekjal         going to grab a cookie from downstairs, then will start QAing bug 8130
17:46 * jcamins      finds two bugs.
17:46 jcamins        Bah, humbug.
17:46 Oak            kia ora #koha
17:45 huginn         Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (10:00 PM PKT on June 15, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
17:45 Oak            @wunder islamabad
17:42 sekjal         QAQ = 13, and everything left is classed as "ENH"
17:37 * cait         cheers sekjal on
17:34 sekjal         QAQ = 15
17:25 cait           too late
17:25 jcamins        cait: if you run water over the onions first, it will help a bit.
17:24 * cait         starts crying
17:24 sekjal         under 20
17:23 jcamins        And a bunch of these (based on the subjects) look like they should be pretty small, and therefore easy to QA. :)
17:21 jcamins        sekjal: you're getting there!
17:21 cait           but first cutting onions
17:21 cait           k
17:19 jcamins        All should be pretty easy to test.
17:19 jcamins        cait: bug 8206, followed by 8202, followed by 8203.
17:18 cait           ok, give me the sequence again :)
17:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8203 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Should be possible to save individual authorities
17:18 jcamins        cait: yep. Many nice things. Also, bug 8203.
17:18 cait           I will prepare my dinner, then I am back to teesting
17:18 cait           testing something nice? ;)
17:16 jcamins        cait: yes, but I thought she might need a break before her head exploded.
17:15 cait           wizzyrea: are there patches for the big problems yet?
17:14 cait           I think wizzyrea is probably busy in circulation righ tnow :(
17:14 jcamins        wizzyrea: that one may be relevant to your interest, as well.
17:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authorities to export tool
17:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
17:14 jcamins        cait: and when you are done with bug 8206, bug 8202 would welcome your attention.
17:12 cait           sekjal++
17:12 cait           back
17:12 cait           :)
17:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
17:07 jcamins        Bug 8206 is ready for cait's sign off.
17:04 sekjal         QAQ at 27
17:01 oleonard       Have a nice weekend
17:01 * oleonard     is off
16:55 cait           bbiab
16:55 cait           supermarket
16:54 dpavlin        oleonard++ we have our own staff-global.css which is culprint.
16:52 oleonard       dpavlin: Yes, but those calls should be overridden by staff-global.css. My datepicker follow-up consolidates all that a bit.
16:51 dpavlin        oleonard: make sense. But I have references to them in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery-ui.css
16:50 jcamins        cait: the default authorities index was phrase only.
16:50 cait           I am confused now, but you are probably right
16:49 cait           I thouht that was what contains and the others were for?
16:49 cait           hm
16:49 jcamins        cait: because I would like to be able to automatically truncate.
16:49 jcamins        cait: that's why I added the options.
16:49 oleonard       dpavlin: That's why I suggested clearing your cache. Your staff client CSS shouldn't call those images if it is up to date
16:48 oleonard       dpavlin: It's not that you're missing those files, it's that some CSS is calling images which it shouldn't
16:48 cait           jcamins: but i like being able to do truncate searches?
16:48 cait           jcamins: hmmm
16:48 * cait         waves at dpavlin :)
16:48 jcamins        cait: nope. Just a bug.
16:47 cait           I assumed auto truncation
16:47 cait           jcamins: i always search for a, b or something else to produce big result lists
16:47 cait           jcamins: interesting
16:47 dpavlin        oleonard: nop. I don't have them in git checkout. Where are they surposed to come from?
16:47 jcamins        cait: it turns out that your authority search for "ab" was only working because we're producing invalid authorities queries on the OPAC.
16:47 oleonard       dpavlin: Clear your browser cache?
16:46 cait           eythian: nice evening :)
16:46 jcamins        There's the one I wanted.
16:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
16:46 jcamins        bug 8206
16:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC
16:46 jcamins        Bug 8205
16:46 dpavlin        I don't have files on filesystem.
16:45 dpavlin        every intranet page
16:45 wahanui        it has been said that page is too big?
16:45 oleonard       dpavlin: What page?
16:45 dpavlin        I'm missing ui-bg_flat_75_ffffff_40x100.png and friend in master what did I do wrong?
16:44 jcamins        Ohh.
16:44 * eythian      is outta here, bye!
16:44 jcamins        Huh.
16:43 cait           I think maybe my "abs"
16:43 cait           all I did was a search in opac authorities browser
16:43 cait           search
16:40 jcamins        cait: how did you get those warnings?
16:40 * cait         waves
16:35 wizzyrea       or something.
16:35 wizzyrea       yea, the cool kids have moved on to making their own kombucha
16:33 eythian        jcamins: heh, it's about 50/50 ;)
16:33 jcamins        dpavlin: I can't drink soda, either.
16:33 dpavlin        s/bood/blood/
16:32 dpavlin        jcamins: bubbles help with alchocol transfer to bood, which is the point of beer, I guess...
16:32 jcamins        eythian: would that be why they're your friends? ;)
16:32 eythian        the US is so far behind ;)
16:32 * wizzyrea     recalls that eythian is a beer geek beyond any other I know
16:32 eythian        We've passed it by already
16:32 sekjal         homebrewing is definitely "in" these days
16:32 eythian        that's nothing, a number of my friends brew commercially :)
16:32 oleonard       Showoff :P
16:31 jcamins        (why yes, most of my friends *do* brew their own beer)
16:30 jcamins        A friend of mine brews the occasional beer without any secondary fermentation so that I can drink it.
16:30 eythian        jcamins: cask ales aren't very carbonated at all
16:30 jcamins        dpavlin: I've been to Scotland. The reason I don't drink beer is the bubbles.
16:30 dpavlin        I know :-)
16:29 * oleonard     has been in the mood for a good ale lately
16:29 eythian        dpavlin: if all you've had previously is crappy lagers, you've been missing out.
16:28 dpavlin        jcamins: I didn't drink beer before Scotland either, but ale got me over to the dark side :-)
16:20 eythian        I know!
16:20 jcamins        !!! Even worse!
16:19 eythian        1 hour 18 minutes
16:19 jcamins        wizzyrea: you can't have a subfield with no value.
16:19 jcamins        eythian: ergo, you are eighteen minutes late to beer o'clock!
16:19 eythian        jcamins: it is. About half the staff here are from NZ
16:18 jcamins        wizzyrea: yes you are.
16:18 jcamins        eythian: introduce them to the concept! Isn't Catalyst an NZ company?
16:18 wizzyrea       hmm, I'm disagreeing with jcamins - you're not actually deleting the subfield right?
16:18 eythian        jcamins: it is in Wellington, apparently not so much in the UK however, alas
16:18 wizzyrea       delete the value
16:18 wahanui        somebody said the first was the command i ran
16:18 jcamins        The first.
16:17 * jcamins      is not a beer drinker, but understands that Fridays mean beer o'clock at Catalyst.
16:17 oleonard       So anyway, on the batch mod screen is it more technically correct to say "check to delete subfield 3" or "check to delete the value of subfield 3?"
16:17 eythian        there is a sad lack of untappd activity in the region however
16:16 wizzyrea       well it's the same in mine
16:15 eythian        and The Evening Star, where it's served, is nearby.
16:15 eythian        jcamins: the Darkstar brewery is in these parts somewhere
16:15 oleonard       wizzyrea: My subfield 1 was hidden for some reason.
16:15 jcamins        eythian: ah. I'm sure they have decent beer in Brighton.
16:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly
16:13 eythian        what wahanui said
16:13 * oleonard     wishes Bug 8229 would get pushed so he could properly check his framework
16:13 wahanui        i guess Brighton is where the catalyst UK offices are
16:13 eythian        jcamins: Brighton
16:13 jcamins        eythian: so where are you?
16:13 eythian        or logic
16:13 eythian        stop bringing loginc into this!
16:13 jcamins        s/he just found them all when you sent him/her to collections.
16:13 jcamins        eythian: the problem patron that took out fifty books and didn't return them for a year?
16:13 oleonard       eythian: Because don't tell me what to do!
16:12 eythian        suspicious
16:12 eythian        Oh, you just "happened" to find them behind the couch eh?
16:12 jcamins        eythian: you mark them not lost.
16:11 wizzyrea       actually that's a really good point ^.^
16:11 wizzyrea       and it's in 3.6
16:11 wizzyrea       it's subfield 1
16:11 eythian        who scans a bunch of items just to mark them lost anyway? They're clearly in your pile ;)
16:10 wizzyrea          3.6
16:10 wizzyrea       in master… let me check 3.8
16:10 wizzyrea       oleonard: I don't see it either
16:10 eythian        OK cool
16:10 jcamins        That's not going into 3.6.6 anyway.
16:10 eythian        given it's after 5 already
16:10 eythian        probably not today actually
16:10 jcamins        Thanks.
16:10 jcamins        Ah.
16:10 jcamins        You said you were working on it, but I have no recollection what "it" is.
16:10 eythian        <jcamins> Could you please upload a package for libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl to the oldstable dist on debian.koha-community.org?
16:10 jcamins        eythian: what is it that I had asked you to do?
16:09 eythian        that sounds plausible
16:09 oleonard       Wait, is my framework messed up?
16:08 * wizzyrea     looks
16:08 oleonard       I don't see it in the list of subfields
16:07 wizzyrea       srsly? that used to work.
16:07 wizzyrea       wha?
16:06 oleonard       Item batch mod can't set lost status?
16:00 slef           we lugged too much kit between edinburgh and Norfolk to use the train
15:59 wizzyrea       ooo
15:59 slef           mostly car, sadly
15:59 wizzyrea       mostly train though eh
15:59 wizzyrea       good heavens.
15:59 slef           foot, car, bike, train, bike, car
15:58 wizzyrea       or...
15:58 wizzyrea       1000 miles… on bike?
15:55 slef           and listening to the French getting beat just now
15:55 slef           so looking forward to the England football match tonight
15:55 slef           and I've done over 1000 miles since 4pm Monday
15:54 slef           it was fun... but very tiring
15:54 wizzyrea       modest as always
15:54 wizzyrea       pft
15:53 slef           wizzyrea: it only looks that way because several other volunteers had to do tasks away from the hall... like getting HMRC to release the book bags
15:53 * wizzyrea     waves to slef the kohacon conquering hero!
15:52 eythian        hello slef
15:52 drojf          hey slef
15:51 slef           hi all
15:47 jcamins        eythian: authority linking works beautifully on 3.6.x.
15:47 eythian        I used that patch on a slightly older 3.6, it worked magically
15:46 SJeffery       I have no clue what mad schemes you could be referring to *whistles innocently*
15:46 jcamins        The patch got into 3.6.x a month ago.
15:46 jcamins        Under six months ago fixed it.
15:46 tcohen         authority linking? finedays?
15:46 jcamins        *Just* fixed it.
15:46 jcamins        I just fixed it!
15:46 sekjal         ::sigh::
15:45 * jcamins      bangs his head on the desk.
15:45 wizzyrea       don't use 3.8
15:45 jcamins        Except that authority linking may be broken in 3.8.1.
15:45 wizzyrea       that libraries like to do
15:45 wizzyrea       mad schemes
15:45 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
15:45 wizzyrea       @quote get 123
15:45 wizzyrea       with all of the
15:45 wizzyrea       if you want to circ
15:45 jcamins        SJeffery: it's little problems that add up to a big nuisance... lots of issues with fines, some with holds, the UI isn't quite finished, etc.
15:45 wizzyrea       basically, if you only want to catalog stuff, you're pretty good
15:45 wizzyrea       ;)
15:45 wizzyrea       yea, that would explain it.
15:45 tcohen         ( deltadays - grace )->is_positive = 1
15:45 SJeffery       That could be why I do not see anything!
15:45 wizzyrea       due dates set at 00:00 instead of 23:59
15:45 SJeffery       ah, ok. We do not use holds, serials module, acquisitions module, fines, or checkout periods:)
15:45 tcohen         _FixFineDaysOnReturn->grace: 0
15:44 tcohen         _FixFineDaysOnReturn->deltadays: 0
15:44 wizzyrea       dropbox mode not working
15:44 wizzyrea       calendar days not working
15:44 oleonard       If you're using hold limits wait until we get that fixed (unless it's already broken in your installation)
15:44 wizzyrea       no hold limits
15:44 wizzyrea       double fines
15:44 wizzyrea       bad bugs
15:44 wizzyrea       so many bugs.
15:44 wizzyrea       SJeffery: oh my
15:44 sekjal         we're getting the absolute value of days between due and today, rather than a positive or negative duration
15:43 tcohen         if you're using finedays, wait until we get that fixed
15:43 sekjal         tcohen:  so it looks like the problem is in Koha::Calendar
15:43 tcohen         and i'm glad to hear that!
15:43 tcohen         yes, i've read bout it
15:43 SJeffery       jcamins: I am looking at the 3.8 bugs list and nothing is jumping out as being a major issue...?
15:43 * jcamins      is very excited. :)
15:43 jcamins        dpavlin is going to be redoing the caching code.
15:42 jcamins        Welcome back.
15:42 tcohen         (from koha stuff)
15:42 jcamins        tcohen: fair enough.
15:42 tcohen         been out for a while
15:42 tcohen         jcamins, i've tons of koha-devel emails to read
15:41 jcamins        tcohen: you can, of course, go to 3.8 if you'd like, I just hear more about problems with that decision than I do about benefits. ;)
15:40 tcohen         haven't found a pros and cons list
15:40 jcamins        Not to be pessimistic, but .1 is early.
15:40 tcohen         jcamins, no
15:39 jcamins        tcohen: I mean, seriously, you've considered this at length and written out pros and cons?
15:39 tcohen         now we are not
15:39 jcamins        tcohen: are you sure you want to do that?
15:39 jcamins        tcohen: you are?
15:38 tcohen         as we are going into production with 3.8
15:38 tcohen         i was asked by bgk to check that
15:38 sekjal         so we need to change our comparison
15:38 tcohen         indeed
15:38 sekjal         tcohen: that's what the thread on koha-devel was leading me to believe, yes
15:37 tcohen         (using finedays of course)
15:37 tcohen         ence we are debarring patrons when check-in occurs the same day the check-out happened
15:37 SJeffery       lol, I never realized that sekjal=ian
15:36 tcohen         ( deltadays - grace )->is_positive is true for 0 and 0
15:36 sekjal         tcohen: sure
15:36 tcohen         _FixFineDaysOnReturn
15:35 tcohen         do u have a minute to talk about
15:35 sekjal         one of a couple in the Koha community, though
15:35 sekjal         my name is Ian, yes
15:35 wizzyrea       ;)
15:35 wahanui        irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:35 wizzyrea       irc regulars?
15:35 tcohen         sekjal is ian? :-D
15:34 wizzyrea       later :)
15:34 cait1          bbl from home :)
15:34 cait1          oook, now I am really leaving
15:34 wizzyrea       seems so
15:34 jcamins        sekjal was a moment ago.
15:34 huginn         wizzyrea: sekjal was last seen in #koha 26 minutes and 52 seconds ago: <sekjal> jcamins: bug 7943 processed
15:34 wizzyrea       @seen sekjal
15:34 tcohen         is ian here?
15:34 tcohen         hi #koha
15:34 wizzyrea       but cait is right, hold limits are broooken right now
15:33 eythian        yeah, that's my distiction too
15:33 SJeffery       ^^
15:33 cait1          ^^
15:32 wizzyrea       I always think of itemtypes as "types of things that circulate," Locations as "physical places those itemtypes live," and collection codes as "groups of like things"
15:32 eythian        so probably just like it was on the shelf
15:32 cait1          atm all those features are quite broken probably
15:32 eythian        it's a small community library
15:32 cait1          but the problem is
15:32 cait1          and you could limit (if maxreserves was working) how many stack holds a person can do
15:31 eythian        I dunno
15:31 cait1          or do they prefer people ask for it and not have people place holds on those? than you could do that with the circ rules
15:31 cait1          so they know they have to get ti?
15:31 cait1          I think they want to put holds on them?
15:31 eythian        cait1: why managing holds?
15:30 eythian        I guess I need more details from them
15:30 cait1          eythian: itemtype can be correct too - for managing hold sfor those items
15:30 eythian        yeah
15:30 jcamins        eythian: separate itemtype makes sense if they circulate differently.
15:30 cait1          I mean no method with big advantage over another afaikt
15:30 cait1          but as long as this is global... not much difference in how you do it I think
15:29 eythian        which I didn't think was correct
15:29 cait1          eythian: to have the allowonshelfholds in circ matrix would help quite a bit
15:29 eythian        The library asked for a separate item type
15:29 jcamins        ccode would also work, if there's a logical collection division.
15:29 cait1          eythian: we use a location
15:29 eythian        That's what I was thinking would be most appropriate
15:29 jcamins        I use location.
15:29 eythian        jcamins: you have books in the stack (i.e. in the back room, not the general collection) and people can get them out by asking a librarian to go fetch them
15:28 jcamins        eythian: what do you mean?
15:28 eythian        How do people typically do items in stack? Have a location, ccode, or item type, or have the stack as a branch?
15:27 druthb         kk
15:27 cait1          bbl
15:27 cait1          running out of battery
15:27 cait1          ok
15:24 wahanui        somebody said schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
15:24 jcamins        schema?
15:24 mib_m1g889     Is there any relationship maitained (PK - FK) for the table action_logs and borrowers Table
15:24 jcamins        eythian: wow, that's really weird.
15:23 cait1          eythian: I still have to get used to you at this time of the day :)
15:22 eythian        mib_m1g889: you're going to have to ask a question before anyone can help
15:22 wizzyrea       just ask :)
15:21 mib_m1g889     anyone can help plz
15:21 mib_m1g889     query about sql under Koha
15:21 druthb         hi, cait1  :)
15:21 oleonard       On the batch mod screen is it more technically correct to say "check to delete subfield 3" or "check to delete the value of subfield 3?"
15:21 mib_m1g889     helllo guys
15:21 cait1          hi druthb
15:21 druthb         hi, oleonard!
15:20 oleonard       Hi druthb
15:19 druthb         o/
15:16 jcamins        cait++
15:16 jcamins        Yay!
15:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
15:15 jcamins        But before my RecordProcessor code can be submitted, bug 7943 needs to be pushed.
15:12 jcamins        Actually, the problem will be fixed to a large extent by my proposed RecordProcessor, though that's more a side effect than anything else.
15:12 cait1          oh, don't do the sad smiley on me!
15:11 jcamins        :(
15:11 jcamins        Paging should be done consistently, but until we move all the search code to one place (Koha::SearchEngine), we can't do that.
15:11 cait1          but it really looks not nice with my badly linked data
15:11 cait1          I could sign off on it with a note
15:11 cait1          it's an optoin
15:11 cait1          hm
15:10 jcamins        We sure do!
15:10 cait1          we do paging wrong then.
15:10 jcamins        With solr we may be able to work around it, but Zebra doesn't really give us any option. :(
15:10 cait1          meh.
15:10 cait1          my result pages 7 and 8 are empty, 6 shows one record... and so on
15:10 jcamins        cait1: it's the same reason the opachiddenitems syspref is so unpleasant to use.
15:09 jcamins        cait1: unfortunately, yes.
15:09 cait1          jcamins: is that a proper solution to the problem? ;)
15:09 cait1          I missed the paging the first time, because I assumed only 1 rsult was right
15:09 jcamins        cait1: I wouldn't recommend you turn the syspref on. :P
15:09 cait1          but... it's very confusing
15:09 cait1          I know it's probably hard to fix that
15:09 cait1          it's confusing
15:08 cait1          Showing 2 of about 155 results
15:08 jcamins        (it says "about X records")
15:08 jcamins        cait1: right. That's why it changes the count.
15:08 cait1          without redoing the paging?
15:08 jcamins        sekjal++
15:08 cait1          I suppose you just hide the records unused?
15:08 jcamins        Yay!
15:08 jcamins        Because the default search is absurd.
15:08 cait1          and others have only very few results
15:08 cait1          but some pages are empty
15:07 cait1          if I page, the records are there
15:07 cait1          well, it's a paging problem I think
15:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
15:07 sekjal         jcamins: bug 7943 processed
15:07 cait1          why not?
15:07 jcamins        "ab" shouldn't ever bring up "absurdes" in the default search.
15:07 jcamins        cait1: I mean, when you don't have the syspref turned on, ab shows them both?
15:07 cait1          and lots of paging on top
15:07 cait1          I get a reswult list with 1 result
15:06 cait1          I only have very few linked records in this catalog
15:06 cait1          abel-struth
15:06 cait1          with ab only the person shows up
15:06 cait1          maybe something with the maximum retrieved? paging?
15:06 jcamins        But it shows up when you search for ab?
15:06 cait1          I only don't get them both on one result list
15:05 cait1          when I search for absurd it shows up
15:05 reiveune       bye$
15:05 cait1          it is
15:05 jcamins        Is absurdes theater used?
15:05 cait1          when I search for absurd it shows correctly my other
15:05 cait1          I have in use a person with ab and a subject absurdes theater, when I turn the hiding on and search for ab, only the person is found
15:05 jcamins        What's that?
15:05 jcamins        I've been troubleshooting an error that I think might be caused by that.
15:04 cait1          but before I have to tell you something unpleasant about the unused authorities
15:04 cait1          I can retest
15:04 cait1          Ithink so
15:04 cait1          yes
15:04 cait1          hm
15:04 jcamins        You get that error on master?
15:04 jcamins        Wait...
15:03 wizzyrea       http://thenounproject.com/noun/bomb/#icon-No338
15:03 * wizzyrea     considers this for hold queue
15:02 cait1          seems I get one line for each search result
15:02 cait1          but if you would still take a look it would clean up the logs quite a bit
15:02 cait1          hm seems on current master too
15:02 * wizzyrea     sighs
15:02 jcamins        I will look to see what that is.
15:02 wizzyrea       well here's "add patron" http://thenounproject.com/noun/medical-library/#icon-No682
15:02 jcamins        Yikes.
15:01 cait1          lots
15:01 cait1          seems to happen with each authority search
15:01 cait1          [Fri Jun 15 16:57:49 2012] [error] [client] [Fri Jun 15 16:57:49 2012] opac-authorities-home.pl: Use of uninitialized value $i in string eq at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 255., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl
15:00 jcamins        If you tell me what they are, I will.
15:00 cait1          but I still want to ask you to fix it :)
15:00 cait1          probably warnings
15:00 jcamins        That's not good.
15:00 jcamins        Uh-oh.
15:00 jcamins        cait1: you do?
14:59 cait1          or warnings
14:59 cait1          I have lots of erros in my logs...
14:59 * wizzyrea     will piddle about some more
14:59 cait1          jcamins: hmmmmmm
14:58 wizzyrea       but yes, I like the idea of icons for some things, and lists of reports for others
14:58 cait1          clrh: :)
14:58 wizzyrea       you aren't typical :P
14:58 jcamins        :P
14:58 jcamins        wizzyrea: for me, "circ" would fall under that heading.
14:58 clrh           cait1: have to catch his train :)
14:57 wizzyrea       well *there* it might make sense, but i'm not sure there is anything that is "not commonly used" on circ-home
14:57 cait1          now you scared gaetan_B away :)
14:57 jcamins        wizzyrea: so adding a roll-down tray would reduce clicks for those of us who use those links regularly.
14:56 jcamins        wizzyrea: we don't have an authority search/new authority link at all from the main page anymore.
14:56 cait1          for checkout and checkin I use other paths
14:56 cait1          the only time I go to that page is when I want to run a report from it
14:56 cait1          I think it#s hard to tell what's not commonly used here
14:56 wizzyrea       people don't find them
14:56 wizzyrea       but I don't like hiding things, sorry jcamins.
14:55 wizzyrea       I like these ideas
14:55 * jcamins      would like rolldown trays for things that are less commonly used.
14:55 cait1          hierarchies
14:55 cait1          but it's also nice to have some groups - holds reports for example
14:54 cait1          the new buttons ar enice
14:54 cait1          I tihnk another problem is grouping
14:54 oleonard       What about a set of icons for the top 4 functions, say check out check in transfer and fast cataloging, then a box under all that with report links?
14:54 cait1          ;)
14:54 cait1          is that the right time to say - I dislike icons?
14:53 oleonard       ^ and that's why icons are problematic
14:53 cait1          well... i don't need icons
14:53 cait1          oh yes
14:53 * oleonard     wishes wizzyrea good luck finding icons that differentiate all those holds reports
14:52 cait1          neither did I  :)
14:52 * oleonard     honestly didn't notice it was on that page
14:52 wizzyrea       Ooo good point
14:51 oleonard       I wonder if we even need "set library" there since it's in the header at all times
14:50 wizzyrea       oleonard: no icons yet, but what do you think of this: http://screencast.com/t/nzQQICIVg3p
14:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC
14:48 cait1          bug 8205
14:48 cait1          ok, working on 8205 now
14:48 cait1          sekjal++
14:48 jcamins        sekjal++
14:48 sekjal         we'll see how well I do
14:47 sekjal         my goal is to get the QAQ under 10
14:47 sekjal         jcamins: will look at that one next
14:47 sekjal         hi, cait1
14:46 cait1          but he is right - it's cool, because it fixes translatability and rewrites some really evil code
14:46 cait1          hi sekjal :)
14:46 jcamins        ;D
14:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
14:45 cait1          ohoh, jcamins has switched into qa nagging mode ;)
14:45 jcamins        Bug 7943 is very cool!
14:45 sekjal         jcamins:  I do; today is the Scholarly Retreat at the library
14:45 jcamins        Wanna QA something cool?
14:45 jcamins        Hi, sekjal!
14:44 sekjal         hi, #koha!
14:42 cait1          moving back to 6720
14:42 cait1          added a note on 8206
14:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Saved authorities always show as 'Default'
14:41 jcamins        *on bug 6720
14:41 jcamins        Additional patch 6720.
14:40 cait1          jcamins: moving on for now :)
14:40 cait1          and it seems not broken on their side
14:39 cait1          might be more, but that was the one I got the report for
14:39 cait1          I have one target that stubbornly refuses to work, while it does using yaz :(
14:39 cait1          me
14:39 nengard        has anyone notices that isbn and issn searches on z targets aren't finding results??
14:39 cait1          :)
14:39 jcamins        Yep. After I finish my follow-up to 6720.
14:38 cait1          slow internet
14:38 cait1          can you chck? researching is a bit painful for me righ tnow
14:38 jcamins        I'll have to split them up a bit.
14:38 jcamins        Oh, that may be dependent on the overlay patch, then.
14:38 cait1          I am doing it now, but your patch does no change to the indexes?
14:37 jcamins        Sorry!
14:37 jcamins        Oops.
14:37 cait1          your test plan didn't say so
14:37 jcamins        Did you reindex?
14:36 jcamins        Yes.
14:36 cait1          so shouldn't I find that one when searching for anton with the last search option for see from?
14:36 cait1          and I get lots of results, one of those is  used for/see from: Bucher, Anton
14:36 cait1          and I do a search for "anton"
14:35 cait1          I am testng the authority search options
14:35 cait1          hm jcamins? - perhaps bad news
14:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
14:29 cait1          bug 8206
14:29 cait1          the next one is harder
14:29 cait1          oh
14:28 cait1          ok, easy to test, signed off and moving on
14:24 jcamins        Glad to be of service.
14:21 cait1          as i filed it in august 2011
14:21 cait1          with an additional thank you to jared for fixing that :)
14:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default'
14:20 cait1          bug 6720
14:20 cait1          moving on to next
14:20 cait1          first one done :)
14:20 cait1          ok
14:20 jcamins        Wow.
14:19 wizzyrea       as they use the same account in every library
14:19 Waylon         i mean, some of these books were priceless, being a spiritual centre.
14:19 wizzyrea       the consortium has made it a lot easier to spot these patrons
14:19 wizzyrea       that go from library to library stealing DVD's
14:19 wizzyrea       yea, we have patrons in our area
14:18 wizzyrea       oh wow
14:18 jcamins        cait++
14:18 Waylon         Although, i volunteered at a library (the one i started with koha for), and one of our most frequent borrowers, and lecturers.. was not only stealing the books, but selling them to used book stores.
14:17 wizzyrea       yea, you'll find corruption anywhere
14:17 nengard        sad ? but true
14:17 wizzyrea       something like 15k in credit card purchases on the library card for "books" that went into the director's house
14:17 nengard        that's a story i've heard many other times
14:17 * wizzyrea     is not, I was referring to the Tonganoxie library several directors ago
14:16 jcamins        Yes.
14:16 jcamins        Hehe.
14:16 cait1          referring to the library in italy?
14:16 Waylon         damn
14:16 cait1          ah
14:16 wizzyrea       hey, I had a library where that happened
14:16 jcamins        wizzyrea: the discovery that the recently-hired director was a felon who is stealing all the library's books?
14:16 cait1          calming cookies
14:16 Waylon         wizzyrea++
14:16 * cait1        sends wizzyrea some cookies
14:16 wizzyrea       yes, agreed on that point
14:16 wizzyrea       awesome, thanks
14:16 Waylon         fines--
14:15 wizzyrea       NOTHING.
14:15 wizzyrea       nothing discredits a library faster than incorrect fines.
14:15 wizzyrea       as it has to do with fines.
14:15 wizzyrea       no doubt that it's better to have more eyes on it
14:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fine doubling
14:15 wizzyrea       well, whatever it is
14:15 nengard        Bug 8253
14:14 nengard        Koha
14:14 nengard        the problem was that we didn't see it consistently ? so we weren't sure if it was us or KOha
14:14 nengard        filing
14:14 wizzyrea       koha community minds > one mind
14:13 wizzyrea       it
14:13 wizzyrea       file ti
14:13 wizzyrea       doesn't matter
14:13 nengard        kyleh is researching
14:13 nengard        um ?. no because we haven't tracked down what's causing it yet
14:13 wizzyrea       here again, money = blocker.
14:13 nengard        i agree wizzyrea
14:13 wizzyrea       nengard did you file a bug for the double fines thing too?
14:12 wizzyrea       you just don't screw around.
14:12 jcamins        Good.
14:12 wizzyrea       seriously, when patrons money is involved
14:12 wizzyrea       not that I know of
14:12 wizzyrea       no
14:12 wizzyrea       well I'm going to keep changing it to blocker
14:12 jcamins        Is the problem in 3.6.x?
14:11 nengard        but when i put blocker on it's always removed so I didn't do that
14:11 nengard        I agree
14:11 wizzyrea       yea they are  both blockers imo'
14:11 nengard        :(
14:11 nengard        related to the calendar
14:11 cait1          :)
14:11 cait1          hi wizzyrea
14:11 nengard        there are two bug reports
14:11 cait1          hi nengard
14:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8243 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , calendar being ignored
14:11 nengard        bug 8243
14:11 nengard        but 8243
14:11 cait1          takes minutes for git bz apply
14:11 cait1          slow internet
14:11 cait1          hm
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 normal, P5 - low, ---, savitra.sirohi, In Discussion , Fines accruing on closed days
14:10 wizzyrea       bug 8110
14:10 wizzyrea       is there a proper bug for that
14:10 wizzyrea       looks like the holidays bug has escaped
14:08 jcamins        :)
14:08 cait1          almost glad I found something -makes me feel like a serious tester ;)
14:07 cait1          thx :)
14:07 cait1          k
14:07 jcamins        Attached.
14:07 cait1          opac-auth_MARCdetail
14:07 cait1          so the link will not work
14:06 cait1          you renamed the file
14:06 cait1          ah
14:05 jcamins        I'm just about to upload it.
14:05 cait1          wait or better move on to something else?
14:05 cait1          what about my fixed patch?
14:05 cait1          heh
14:05 jcamins        This database update is going to take ages.
14:05 jcamins        Oh, bother.
14:03 * jcamins      bounces enthusiastically on his exercise ball.
14:03 jcamins        Sugar!
14:03 jcamins        Yay!
14:03 cait1          hm probably too much sugar
14:01 cait1          I will get another juice
14:01 cait1          whatever you prefer :)
14:00 jcamins        Sure, a follow-up would be easy.
14:00 cait1          oh well, guess I can copy my notes
13:59 cait1          and can you do a follow up?
13:59 cait1          you are faster than me
13:59 jcamins        7943.
13:59 jcamins        Remind me which bug we're on?
13:59 jcamins        (that's from a follow-up)
13:59 jcamins        I will upload a new patch with the correction.
13:58 cait1          when I click on "view full heading"
13:58 jcamins        Lemme check why that is.
13:58 jcamins        Hmm.
13:57 cait1          Template process failed: file error - /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-authoritiesdetail.tt: not found at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 127.
13:57 wahanui        i guess bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
13:57 cait1          jcamins: bad news
13:56 cait1          In wonder if details wouldn't be easier to understand for people?
13:56 cait1          in opac we say: View full heading
13:56 cait1          in staff we say details
13:56 cait1          hm
13:54 jcamins        Hehe.
13:54 cait1          maybe your customer sees it...
13:54 jcamins        I think noting what the search is would be nice, though.
13:54 cait1          I can still note it :)
13:54 * jcamins      isn't rewriting the authorities module in the staff client, sorry.
13:54 cait1          yep
13:53 jcamins        You mean in the staff client?
13:53 cait1          and wouldn't it be nice to see the authtype in the reulst list?
13:52 cait1          did you realize the pagination on top and on bottom of authority search looks differently?
13:52 cait1          well
13:52 jcamins        Datatables?
13:52 * cait1        hides
13:52 * cait1        is thinking about datatables
13:50 jcamins        Good point.
13:50 jcamins        cait1: you are right.
13:50 cait1          hm maybe I am wrong, but the search term shows up nowhwere
13:49 jcamins        You are signing off on patch one of 20ish.
13:49 cait1          I think it should remembermy search term
13:49 cait1          even better :)
13:48 jcamins        cait1: actually, chances are good that some of the suggestions are already underway.
13:48 jcamins        cait1: please do.
13:48 cait1          hope you don't mind... I am adding some enhancement ideas to the bug report
13:48 * jcamins      waves back.
13:48 jcamins        My improved options in the OPAC are much more useful.
13:48 jcamins        I don't like the options for searching in the authority module.
13:47 jcamins        cait1: agreed.
13:47 jcamins        Oh, there it is.
13:47 * wizzyrea     waves
13:47 cait1          jcamins: but ... it still feels kinda wrong to me
13:47 cait1          jcamins: when I select the tab an explanation is on top
13:46 cait1          whee? ;)
13:46 oleonard       Wheee!
13:46 * cait1        is playing with authority search
13:46 cait1          ah, wrong window, but doesn' tmatter :)
13:46 cait1          it's labelled irritatingly
13:45 cait1          but
13:45 cait1          it's the only $a
13:45 cait1          I think I have figure it out
13:45 cait1          hm
13:45 jcamins        lol
13:45 cait1          keep getting up and walking around annoying my coworkers... ;)
13:45 cait1          when I keep up walking around at work it normally means I have to write slides for a presentation
13:44 cait1          ah
13:44 oleonard       No time to stay and work. I've got a lot of coming and going to do!
13:42 cait1          perhaps time to hand out some duct tape again?
13:41 jcamins        Wow. That's a lot of people joining and quitting.
12:25 jcamins        Hehe.
12:24 eythian        http://www.froot.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/woordgrap11.jpg
12:06 wajasu         :)
11:59 cait           :)
11:57 * oleonard     is happy to be back at his own computer today
11:56 cait           hi oleonard :)
11:55 oleonard       Hi #koha
10:50 jcamins        fredericd++
10:50 cait           oki
10:50 jcamins        I attached the wrong patch.
10:50 jcamins        Don't sign off on that one yet.
10:49 cait           I only wanted to ask about the overlay patch
10:49 cait           oh
10:49 jcamins        cait: unfortunately yes.
10:43 eythian        I suppose, there are a lot of them
10:42 drojf          dependencies i guess. 197 packages
10:42 eythian        why does it need so much disk?
10:41 drojf          eythian: i got it tweaked to use i386 packages. i need 600mb diskspace though, only have ~400mb free on the small sd card so i can't try it now
10:22 eythian        drojf: it should, I don't think there are any XS modules in there (though there will be eventually for the solr stuff)
10:21 drojf          eythian: so it would work if i could get apt to just use the i386 part of the repository? (if that is possible somehow)
10:18 cait           jcamins_away: awake?
10:16 eythian        debian/control has "Architecture: all" so it's probably a matter of changing a default somewhere in the build system
10:16 drojf          that would be great!
10:16 eythian        I'll have to figure out how it determines which arch to create
10:15 eythian        drojf: that should be possible - at the moment it does amd64 and i386,l however they're not really binary packages so would work anyway.
10:14 drojf          eythian: there are actually arm packages for idzebra-2.0 and mysql-server in the debian repository. just need koha packages at main/binary-armel/Packages for raspberry koha ;)
10:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC
10:13 cait           bug 8205
10:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
10:11 cait           bug 8206
10:11 cait           8206
10:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default'
10:10 cait           bug 6720
10:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
10:09 wahanui        bug 7943 is perfect, thanks.
10:09 cait           bug 7943
09:49 vfernandes     can I put an image in the template?
09:49 vfernandes     one little question: the koha notices templates supports HTML?
09:47 vfernandes     hi guys
09:33 mle            heheheh
09:29 drojf          looking forward to try their other ales. i may continue doing that in the bathtub, worked quite well the first time
09:27 drojf          you can actually order it online in germany, they seem to have a problem with the german recycling system though, one shop had to take it out again before that is settled
09:27 mle            droif: i am glad you like it, i think it is an unusual flavour. they are a really cool brewery too, an early entry in the craft market
09:26 mle            droif: it will protect you from midges if you have enough of it
09:24 drojf          mle: the heather ale is pretty nice!
09:24 cait           but you looked great :)
09:24 cait           aw
09:24 drojf          hi mle
09:24 mle            nothing really, just the normal photographic shyness i guess
09:23 cait           what about?
09:23 * mle          is worried
09:22 cait           oooh don't look like that
09:22 mle            : /
09:21 * cait         got a great photo of mle in a kilt :D
09:21 eythian        hiya mle
09:21 * mle_afk      waves to eythian
09:20 cait           :)
09:20 eythian        jcamins_away: I'll hopefully get on to that today
09:20 eythian        just getting stuff set up
09:20 eythian        yep
09:20 cait           in brighton now?
09:20 eythian        hi
09:20 cait           hey eythian
09:20 cait           ooh
09:19 mle_afk        cait: nein
09:15 cait           can you hear the voices too? ;)
09:14 cait           yeah it is!
09:14 cait           :)
09:13 mle            names even!
09:13 mle            its wonderful to be able to put faces to anmes. : )
09:13 mle            hey cait ;)
08:58 cait           hi mle :)
08:49 mle            : )
08:11 whois          thank you: drojf, wajasu, and all
08:04 Waylon         how would i use siege with koha, with a login required server?
08:03 Waylon         hiya all!
07:46 connor_l_dewar I need to work out how to do in python but that article outlines the methods
07:46 cait           perhaps you can find something in the wiki
07:46 cait           i am not sure about the software
07:42 connor_l_dewar i found this great article http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/12454/Developing-AI-chatbots and then mum told me about this so i thought id check it out.
07:41 whois          _ Now I fai reconfigure zebra by any commands line?
07:41 whois          _ I installed under: Option B: Download Koha from http://download.koha-community.org
07:41 whois          I installed koha 3.8.1 follow the instructions at: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; a = blob; f = INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid; hb = HEAD
07:41 wahanui        third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/
07:41 cait           third question?
07:41 wahanui        second question is, like, "What is the exact error message?"
07:41 cait           second question?
07:41 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
07:41 cait           first question?
07:40 connor_l_dewar how old is wahanui
07:40 wahanui        i guess i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.
07:40 connor_l_dewar what is wahanui
07:39 connor_l_dewar haha this is highly entertaining if i couldwork it
07:38 wahanui        Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:38 cait           germs?
07:38 cait           connor_l_dewar: you woudl have to find the right words :)
07:38 huginn         connor_l_dewar: I've exhausted my database of quotes
07:38 connor_l_dewar @wahanui jokes?
07:38 connor_l_dewar can you tell me a joke wahanui
07:37 connor_l_dewar can you tell me a joke
07:37 wahanui        rumour has it i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow
07:37 connor_l_dewar who is wahanui
07:30 drojf          whois: http://koha-community.org/faq/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/
07:29 whois          => can you give me the solution fix?
07:29 whois          Note: the OPAC interface not found any word, for example word "harry potter"
07:29 whois          2). Seach for the catalog: I do not find the word "harry potter" and receive the following message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System."
07:29 whois          1). Seach for cataloging: I can find the word "harry potter"
07:29 wahanui        i already had it that way, whois.
07:29 whois          My current problem is as follows:
07:23 whois          can you give me the solution does not fix?
07:15 drojf          whois: sounds like you have to (re)index your files
07:12 whois          you can fix this Christmas? not?
07:12 whois          Note: the OPAC interface not found any word, for example from "harry potter"
07:12 whois          Seach for the catalog +: I do not find the word "harry potter" and receive the following message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System."
07:12 whois          + For cataloging Seach: I can find the word "harry potter"
07:12 whois          My current problem is as follows:
07:12 drojf          whois: what do you need help with?
07:11 cait           ts
07:11 drojf          a happy little bot ;)
07:11 cait           hey!
07:11 wahanui        thanks drojf :)
07:11 drojf          wahanui botsnack beer
07:09 wahanui        i think the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
07:09 mbalmer        and what is the answer?
07:08 drojf          heh
07:08 wahanui        the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
07:08 drojf          and what is the question?
07:07 whois          i install koha ver 3.8.1
07:06 drojf          http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080
07:06 drojf          whois: works without the space before the number
07:05 whois          you can access the web staff koha: tinphu.no-ip.info: 8080 is not?
07:05 drojf          moin mbalmer
07:05 whois          while ago I talked with you in room # koha wajasu
07:05 mbalmer        morgen!
07:05 mveron         Hi mbalmer
07:04 Oak            cait!
07:04 Oak            kia ora #koha
07:03 whois          yes!
07:02 mveron         whois: Go ahead, ask questions :-) I got a lot of help here
06:59 whois          please help me!
06:58 whois          hi all
06:56 julian_m       hi
06:46 mveron         Guete morge drojf
06:45 drojf          moin cait and mveron
06:44 * mveron       waves back
06:44 * cait         waves
06:43 drojf          good morning #koha
06:42 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
06:42 reiveune       hello
06:37 cait           hi #koha
06:29 alex_a         hello #koha !
06:08 mveron         Good morning #koha
05:18 Oak            kia ora #koha
04:55 mtj            wajasu++
04:54 wajasu         Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC      i think you need to set the PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF variables before running the rebuild script.
04:15 whois          + Note that the interface is only found in the catalog OPAC Seach.
04:15 whois          even if I search for "harry potter" in the catalog Seach receive the message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System."
04:15 whois          + Have the following problem: if I search for "harry potter" in cataloging the Biblios Seach reservoir in the list
04:09 whois          but receive the message: Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6.
04:08 whois          i used command $KOHAPATH/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
03:57 wajasu         can you look on the wiki to try to rebuild the zebra index.  and make sure the zerbasrv service is running.  then the search may find your item.
03:26 mib_e3t80p     I found the name harry potter found "An AZ of Harry Potter" I have install it and create successful item. then I go back home and find the catalog with staff from: "harry potter" shall receive the message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System." so was it you?
03:16 wajasu         i've got to go. late here.
03:16 wajasu         library of congress:   title: abraham lincoln     or    title: animal farm
03:04 mib_e3t80p     can you give me a list of titles on the Z39.50 I find it?
02:57 wajasu         on kohsa staff interface (8080), if yo installed z3950 servicers, you can select "Cataloguing" and z3950 search button.  then search for author, then  click on import link, and and an item.
02:54 mib_e3t80p     now you only own a "how to get the data to find the name of the book can easily spend a" thank you!
02:53 wajasu         $KOHAPATH/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
02:53 wajasu         export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml;export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
02:52 mib_e3t80p     i not install koha from git.
02:51 wajasu         only the OPAC
02:50 wajasu         i don't see it from USA.
02:50 druthb         o/
02:50 mib_e3t80p     Vietnam all over the country have access to the link: http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080. or you use a proxy for the link: http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080 see it?
02:49 wajasu         git, or koha-common?
02:49 wajasu         did you install from git, ot koha-common
02:47 wajasu         maybe you need Listen 8080 added to /etc/apache2/ports.conf
02:45 wajasu         thats working fine.
02:44 mib_e3t80p     i I was in Vietnam, I have internet but no static IP so I use the free service fai of no-ip
02:44 wajasu         the OPAC works.  nothing to find though.  must need zebra index to be run.
02:43 wajasu         if you are behind a NATed router, you might need to port forward port 8080.  but folks don't usually do that on the internet.
02:41 wajasu         it may work for you in your intranet, if its behind a firewall, or NAT router.
02:40 wajasu         its trying to connect, but port 8080 may not getting to the koha host.     http://tinphu.no-ip.info:80/   works though.
02:40 mib_e3t80p     you login and test.
02:40 mib_e3t80p     password: 123@koha
02:40 mib_e3t80p     with info: user: koha
02:39 mib_e3t80p     Demo Phần mềm quản: http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080
02:38 wajasu         Demo Phần mềm quản ...
02:38 wajasu         http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080/   is not accessible, probably and apache web config thing, but the OPAC is.
02:37 wajasu         i reached your site.
02:37 wajasu         on the wiki I see a warning for Ubuntu: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
02:35 wajasu         if you correctly define KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in your commandline environment, you can run a /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl  (see INSTALL in
02:33 mib_e3t80p     you can go to my website with information koha: + Web for Employees: tinphu.no-ip.info: 8080 => user: koha; pass: 123 @ koha + Web OPAC: tinphu.no-ip.info => user: binhdd; pass: 123 @ binhdd
02:31 wajasu         i assume you have imported some records, via staging or z3950 first.  there should be a cron job that runs the zebra indexer to reindex the database.  the search always uses the zebra server to "find" records.
02:28 wajasu         verify that you have run/rebuilt the zebra index. and that zebrasrv is running.
02:27 mib_e3t80p     currently we do not seek anything from the OPAC and staff interfaces?
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02:26 wajasu         ok.
02:25 mib_e3t80p     i install koha 3.8.1 on ubuntu
02:25 wajasu         ask.
02:24 mib_e3t80p     please help me about koha?
02:23 mib_e3t80p     hi
02:18 ibeardslee     thanks
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