Time  Nick           Message
02:15 m1n3cr4f7      new site to get premium minecraft upgrades, no info needed: http://totallyfreeminecraft.com/ supplies are limited so get yours now!
02:18 ibeardslee     thanks
02:23 mib_e3t80p     hi
02:24 mib_e3t80p     please help me about koha?
02:25 wajasu         ask.
02:25 mib_e3t80p     i install koha 3.8.1 on ubuntu
02:26 wajasu         ok.
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02:27 mib_e3t80p     currently we do not seek anything from the OPAC and staff interfaces?
02:28 wajasu         verify that you have run/rebuilt the zebra index. and that zebrasrv is running.
02:31 wajasu         i assume you have imported some records, via staging or z3950 first.  there should be a cron job that runs the zebra indexer to reindex the database.  the search always uses the zebra server to "find" records.
02:33 mib_e3t80p     you can go to my website with information koha: + Web for Employees: tinphu.no-ip.info: 8080 => user: koha; pass: 123 @ koha + Web OPAC: tinphu.no-ip.info => user: binhdd; pass: 123 @ binhdd
02:35 wajasu         if you correctly define KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in your commandline environment, you can run a /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl  (see INSTALL in
02:37 wajasu         on the wiki I see a warning for Ubuntu: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
02:37 wajasu         i reached your site.
02:38 wajasu         http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080/   is not accessible, probably and apache web config thing, but the OPAC is.
02:38 wajasu         Demo Phần mềm quản ...
02:39 mib_e3t80p     Demo Phần mềm quản: http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080
02:40 mib_e3t80p     with info: user: koha
02:40 mib_e3t80p     password: 123@koha
02:40 mib_e3t80p     you login and test.
02:40 wajasu         its trying to connect, but port 8080 may not getting to the koha host.     http://tinphu.no-ip.info:80/   works though.
02:41 wajasu         it may work for you in your intranet, if its behind a firewall, or NAT router.
02:43 wajasu         if you are behind a NATed router, you might need to port forward port 8080.  but folks don't usually do that on the internet.
02:44 wajasu         the OPAC works.  nothing to find though.  must need zebra index to be run.
02:44 mib_e3t80p     i I was in Vietnam, I have internet but no static IP so I use the free service fai of no-ip
02:45 wajasu         thats working fine.
02:47 wajasu         maybe you need Listen 8080 added to /etc/apache2/ports.conf
02:49 wajasu         did you install from git, ot koha-common
02:49 wajasu         git, or koha-common?
02:50 mib_e3t80p     Vietnam all over the country have access to the link: http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080. or you use a proxy for the link: http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080 see it?
02:50 druthb         o/
02:50 wajasu         i don't see it from USA.
02:51 wajasu         only the OPAC
02:52 mib_e3t80p     i not install koha from git.
02:53 wajasu         export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml;export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
02:53 wajasu         $KOHAPATH/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
02:54 mib_e3t80p     now you only own a "how to get the data to find the name of the book can easily spend a" thank you!
02:57 wajasu         on kohsa staff interface (8080), if yo installed z3950 servicers, you can select "Cataloguing" and z3950 search button.  then search for author, then  click on import link, and and an item.
03:04 mib_e3t80p     can you give me a list of titles on the Z39.50 I find it?
03:16 wajasu         library of congress:   title: abraham lincoln     or    title: animal farm
03:16 wajasu         i've got to go. late here.
03:26 mib_e3t80p     I found the name harry potter found "An AZ of Harry Potter" I have install it and create successful item. then I go back home and find the catalog with staff from: "harry potter" shall receive the message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System." so was it you?
03:57 wajasu         can you look on the wiki to try to rebuild the zebra index.  and make sure the zerbasrv service is running.  then the search may find your item.
04:08 whois          i used command $KOHAPATH/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
04:09 whois          but receive the message: Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ./migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 6.
04:15 whois          + Have the following problem: if I search for "harry potter" in cataloging the Biblios Seach reservoir in the list
04:15 whois          even if I search for "harry potter" in the catalog Seach receive the message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System."
04:15 whois          + Note that the interface is only found in the catalog OPAC Seach.
04:54 wajasu         Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC      i think you need to set the PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF variables before running the rebuild script.
04:55 mtj            wajasu++
05:18 Oak            kia ora #koha
06:08 mveron         Good morning #koha
06:29 alex_a         hello #koha !
06:37 cait           hi #koha
06:42 reiveune       hello
06:42 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
06:43 drojf          good morning #koha
06:44 * cait         waves
06:44 * mveron       waves back
06:45 drojf          moin cait and mveron
06:46 mveron         Guete morge drojf
06:56 julian_m       hi
06:58 whois          hi all
06:59 whois          please help me!
07:02 mveron         whois: Go ahead, ask questions :-) I got a lot of help here
07:03 whois          yes!
07:04 Oak            kia ora #koha
07:04 Oak            cait!
07:05 mveron         Hi mbalmer
07:05 mbalmer        morgen!
07:05 whois          while ago I talked with you in room # koha wajasu
07:05 drojf          moin mbalmer
07:05 whois          you can access the web staff koha: tinphu.no-ip.info: 8080 is not?
07:06 drojf          whois: works without the space before the number
07:06 drojf          http://tinphu.no-ip.info:8080
07:07 whois          i install koha ver 3.8.1
07:08 drojf          and what is the question?
07:08 wahanui        the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
07:08 drojf          heh
07:09 mbalmer        and what is the answer?
07:09 wahanui        i think the answer is always go back to sleep or 42
07:11 drojf          wahanui botsnack beer
07:11 wahanui        thanks drojf :)
07:11 cait           hey!
07:11 drojf          a happy little bot ;)
07:11 cait           ts
07:12 drojf          whois: what do you need help with?
07:12 whois          My current problem is as follows:
07:12 whois          + For cataloging Seach: I can find the word "harry potter"
07:12 whois          Seach for the catalog +: I do not find the word "harry potter" and receive the following message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System."
07:12 whois          Note: the OPAC interface not found any word, for example from "harry potter"
07:12 whois          you can fix this Christmas? not?
07:15 drojf          whois: sounds like you have to (re)index your files
07:23 whois          can you give me the solution does not fix?
07:29 whois          My current problem is as follows:
07:29 wahanui        i already had it that way, whois.
07:29 whois          1). Seach for cataloging: I can find the word "harry potter"
07:29 whois          2). Seach for the catalog: I do not find the word "harry potter" and receive the following message: "No results match your search for 'kw, wrdl: harry potter' in Library Catalog System."
07:29 whois          Note: the OPAC interface not found any word, for example word "harry potter"
07:29 whois          => can you give me the solution fix?
07:30 drojf          whois: http://koha-community.org/faq/zebra-indexing-wont-work-fix-it-aka-search-stuff-up-help/
07:37 connor_l_dewar who is wahanui
07:37 wahanui        rumour has it i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow
07:37 connor_l_dewar can you tell me a joke
07:38 connor_l_dewar can you tell me a joke wahanui
07:38 connor_l_dewar @wahanui jokes?
07:38 huginn         connor_l_dewar: I've exhausted my database of quotes
07:38 cait           connor_l_dewar: you woudl have to find the right words :)
07:38 cait           germs?
07:38 wahanui        Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:39 connor_l_dewar haha this is highly entertaining if i couldwork it
07:40 connor_l_dewar what is wahanui
07:40 wahanui        i guess i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.
07:40 connor_l_dewar how old is wahanui
07:41 cait           first question?
07:41 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
07:41 cait           second question?
07:41 wahanui        second question is, like, "What is the exact error message?"
07:41 cait           third question?
07:41 wahanui        third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/
07:41 whois          I installed koha 3.8.1 follow the instructions at: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; a = blob; f = INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid; hb = HEAD
07:41 whois          _ I installed under: Option B: Download Koha from http://download.koha-community.org
07:41 whois          _ Now I fai reconfigure zebra by any commands line?
07:42 connor_l_dewar i found this great article http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/12454/Developing-AI-chatbots and then mum told me about this so i thought id check it out.
07:46 cait           i am not sure about the software
07:46 cait           perhaps you can find something in the wiki
07:46 connor_l_dewar I need to work out how to do in python but that article outlines the methods
08:03 Waylon         hiya all!
08:04 Waylon         how would i use siege with koha, with a login required server?
08:11 whois          thank you: drojf, wajasu, and all
08:49 mle            : )
08:58 cait           hi mle :)
09:13 mle            hey cait ;)
09:13 mle            its wonderful to be able to put faces to anmes. : )
09:13 mle            names even!
09:14 cait           :)
09:14 cait           yeah it is!
09:15 cait           can you hear the voices too? ;)
09:19 mle_afk        cait: nein
09:20 cait           ooh
09:20 cait           hey eythian
09:20 eythian        hi
09:20 cait           in brighton now?
09:20 eythian        yep
09:20 eythian        just getting stuff set up
09:20 eythian        jcamins_away: I'll hopefully get on to that today
09:20 cait           :)
09:21 * mle_afk      waves to eythian
09:21 eythian        hiya mle
09:21 * cait         got a great photo of mle in a kilt :D
09:22 mle            : /
09:22 cait           oooh don't look like that
09:23 * mle          is worried
09:23 cait           what about?
09:24 mle            nothing really, just the normal photographic shyness i guess
09:24 drojf          hi mle
09:24 cait           aw
09:24 cait           but you looked great :)
09:24 drojf          mle: the heather ale is pretty nice!
09:26 mle            droif: it will protect you from midges if you have enough of it
09:27 mle            droif: i am glad you like it, i think it is an unusual flavour. they are a really cool brewery too, an early entry in the craft market
09:27 drojf          you can actually order it online in germany, they seem to have a problem with the german recycling system though, one shop had to take it out again before that is settled
09:29 drojf          looking forward to try their other ales. i may continue doing that in the bathtub, worked quite well the first time
09:33 mle            heheheh
09:47 vfernandes     hi guys
09:49 vfernandes     one little question: the koha notices templates supports HTML?
09:49 vfernandes     can I put an image in the template?
10:09 cait           bug 7943
10:09 wahanui        bug 7943 is perfect, thanks.
10:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
10:10 cait           bug 6720
10:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default'
10:11 cait           8206
10:11 cait           bug 8206
10:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
10:13 cait           bug 8205
10:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC
10:14 drojf          eythian: there are actually arm packages for idzebra-2.0 and mysql-server in the debian repository. just need koha packages at main/binary-armel/Packages for raspberry koha ;)
10:15 eythian        drojf: that should be possible - at the moment it does amd64 and i386,l however they're not really binary packages so would work anyway.
10:16 eythian        I'll have to figure out how it determines which arch to create
10:16 drojf          that would be great!
10:16 eythian        debian/control has "Architecture: all" so it's probably a matter of changing a default somewhere in the build system
10:18 cait           jcamins_away: awake?
10:21 drojf          eythian: so it would work if i could get apt to just use the i386 part of the repository? (if that is possible somehow)
10:22 eythian        drojf: it should, I don't think there are any XS modules in there (though there will be eventually for the solr stuff)
10:41 drojf          eythian: i got it tweaked to use i386 packages. i need 600mb diskspace though, only have ~400mb free on the small sd card so i can't try it now
10:42 eythian        why does it need so much disk?
10:42 drojf          dependencies i guess. 197 packages
10:43 eythian        I suppose, there are a lot of them
10:49 jcamins        cait: unfortunately yes.
10:49 cait           oh
10:49 cait           I only wanted to ask about the overlay patch
10:50 jcamins        Don't sign off on that one yet.
10:50 jcamins        I attached the wrong patch.
10:50 cait           oki
10:50 jcamins        fredericd++
11:55 oleonard       Hi #koha
11:56 cait           hi oleonard :)
11:57 * oleonard     is happy to be back at his own computer today
11:59 cait           :)
12:06 wajasu         :)
12:24 eythian        http://www.froot.nl/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/woordgrap11.jpg
12:25 jcamins        Hehe.
13:41 jcamins        Wow. That's a lot of people joining and quitting.
13:42 cait1          perhaps time to hand out some duct tape again?
13:44 oleonard       No time to stay and work. I've got a lot of coming and going to do!
13:44 cait1          ah
13:45 cait1          when I keep up walking around at work it normally means I have to write slides for a presentation
13:45 cait1          keep getting up and walking around annoying my coworkers... ;)
13:45 jcamins        lol
13:45 cait1          hm
13:45 cait1          I think I have figure it out
13:45 cait1          it's the only $a
13:45 cait1          but
13:46 cait1          it's labelled irritatingly
13:46 cait1          ah, wrong window, but doesn' tmatter :)
13:46 * cait1        is playing with authority search
13:46 oleonard       Wheee!
13:46 cait1          whee? ;)
13:47 cait1          jcamins: when I select the tab an explanation is on top
13:47 cait1          jcamins: but ... it still feels kinda wrong to me
13:47 * wizzyrea     waves
13:47 jcamins        Oh, there it is.
13:47 jcamins        cait1: agreed.
13:48 jcamins        I don't like the options for searching in the authority module.
13:48 jcamins        My improved options in the OPAC are much more useful.
13:48 * jcamins      waves back.
13:48 cait1          hope you don't mind... I am adding some enhancement ideas to the bug report
13:48 jcamins        cait1: please do.
13:48 jcamins        cait1: actually, chances are good that some of the suggestions are already underway.
13:49 cait1          even better :)
13:49 cait1          I think it should remembermy search term
13:49 jcamins        You are signing off on patch one of 20ish.
13:50 cait1          hm maybe I am wrong, but the search term shows up nowhwere
13:50 jcamins        cait1: you are right.
13:50 jcamins        Good point.
13:52 * cait1        is thinking about datatables
13:52 * cait1        hides
13:52 jcamins        Datatables?
13:52 cait1          well
13:52 cait1          did you realize the pagination on top and on bottom of authority search looks differently?
13:53 cait1          and wouldn't it be nice to see the authtype in the reulst list?
13:53 jcamins        You mean in the staff client?
13:54 cait1          yep
13:54 * jcamins      isn't rewriting the authorities module in the staff client, sorry.
13:54 cait1          I can still note it :)
13:54 jcamins        I think noting what the search is would be nice, though.
13:54 cait1          maybe your customer sees it...
13:54 jcamins        Hehe.
13:56 cait1          hm
13:56 cait1          in staff we say details
13:56 cait1          in opac we say: View full heading
13:56 cait1          In wonder if details wouldn't be easier to understand for people?
13:57 cait1          jcamins: bad news
13:57 wahanui        i guess bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
13:57 cait1          Template process failed: file error - /home/katrin/kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-authoritiesdetail.tt: not found at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/Templates.pm line 127.
13:58 jcamins        Hmm.
13:58 jcamins        Lemme check why that is.
13:58 cait1          when I click on "view full heading"
13:59 jcamins        I will upload a new patch with the correction.
13:59 jcamins        (that's from a follow-up)
13:59 jcamins        Remind me which bug we're on?
13:59 jcamins        7943.
13:59 cait1          you are faster than me
13:59 cait1          and can you do a follow up?
14:00 cait1          oh well, guess I can copy my notes
14:00 jcamins        Sure, a follow-up would be easy.
14:01 cait1          whatever you prefer :)
14:01 cait1          I will get another juice
14:03 cait1          hm probably too much sugar
14:03 jcamins        Yay!
14:03 jcamins        Sugar!
14:03 * jcamins      bounces enthusiastically on his exercise ball.
14:05 jcamins        Oh, bother.
14:05 jcamins        This database update is going to take ages.
14:05 cait1          heh
14:05 cait1          what about my fixed patch?
14:05 cait1          wait or better move on to something else?
14:05 jcamins        I'm just about to upload it.
14:06 cait1          ah
14:06 cait1          you renamed the file
14:07 cait1          so the link will not work
14:07 cait1          opac-auth_MARCdetail
14:07 jcamins        Attached.
14:07 cait1          k
14:07 cait1          thx :)
14:08 cait1          almost glad I found something -makes me feel like a serious tester ;)
14:08 jcamins        :)
14:10 wizzyrea       looks like the holidays bug has escaped
14:10 wizzyrea       is there a proper bug for that
14:10 wizzyrea       bug 8110
14:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 normal, P5 - low, ---, savitra.sirohi, In Discussion , Fines accruing on closed days
14:11 cait1          hm
14:11 cait1          slow internet
14:11 cait1          takes minutes for git bz apply
14:11 nengard        but 8243
14:11 nengard        bug 8243
14:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8243 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , calendar being ignored
14:11 cait1          hi nengard
14:11 nengard        there are two bug reports
14:11 cait1          hi wizzyrea
14:11 cait1          :)
14:11 nengard        related to the calendar
14:11 nengard        :(
14:11 wizzyrea       yea they are  both blockers imo'
14:11 nengard        I agree
14:11 nengard        but when i put blocker on it's always removed so I didn't do that
14:12 jcamins        Is the problem in 3.6.x?
14:12 wizzyrea       well I'm going to keep changing it to blocker
14:12 wizzyrea       no
14:12 wizzyrea       not that I know of
14:12 wizzyrea       seriously, when patrons money is involved
14:12 jcamins        Good.
14:12 wizzyrea       you just don't screw around.
14:13 wizzyrea       nengard did you file a bug for the double fines thing too?
14:13 nengard        i agree wizzyrea
14:13 wizzyrea       here again, money = blocker.
14:13 nengard        um ?. no because we haven't tracked down what's causing it yet
14:13 nengard        kyleh is researching
14:13 wizzyrea       doesn't matter
14:13 wizzyrea       file ti
14:13 wizzyrea       it
14:14 wizzyrea       koha community minds > one mind
14:14 nengard        filing
14:14 nengard        the problem was that we didn't see it consistently ? so we weren't sure if it was us or KOha
14:14 nengard        Koha
14:15 nengard        Bug 8253
14:15 wizzyrea       well, whatever it is
14:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fine doubling
14:15 wizzyrea       no doubt that it's better to have more eyes on it
14:15 wizzyrea       as it has to do with fines.
14:15 wizzyrea       nothing discredits a library faster than incorrect fines.
14:15 wizzyrea       NOTHING.
14:16 Waylon         fines--
14:16 wizzyrea       awesome, thanks
14:16 wizzyrea       yes, agreed on that point
14:16 * cait1        sends wizzyrea some cookies
14:16 Waylon         wizzyrea++
14:16 cait1          calming cookies
14:16 jcamins        wizzyrea: the discovery that the recently-hired director was a felon who is stealing all the library's books?
14:16 wizzyrea       hey, I had a library where that happened
14:16 cait1          ah
14:16 Waylon         damn
14:16 cait1          referring to the library in italy?
14:16 jcamins        Hehe.
14:16 jcamins        Yes.
14:17 * wizzyrea     is not, I was referring to the Tonganoxie library several directors ago
14:17 nengard        that's a story i've heard many other times
14:17 wizzyrea       something like 15k in credit card purchases on the library card for "books" that went into the director's house
14:17 nengard        sad ? but true
14:17 wizzyrea       yea, you'll find corruption anywhere
14:18 Waylon         Although, i volunteered at a library (the one i started with koha for), and one of our most frequent borrowers, and lecturers.. was not only stealing the books, but selling them to used book stores.
14:18 jcamins        cait++
14:18 wizzyrea       oh wow
14:19 wizzyrea       yea, we have patrons in our area
14:19 wizzyrea       that go from library to library stealing DVD's
14:19 wizzyrea       the consortium has made it a lot easier to spot these patrons
14:19 Waylon         i mean, some of these books were priceless, being a spiritual centre.
14:19 wizzyrea       as they use the same account in every library
14:20 jcamins        Wow.
14:20 cait1          ok
14:20 cait1          first one done :)
14:20 cait1          moving on to next
14:20 cait1          bug 6720
14:20 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Saved authorities always show as 'Default'
14:21 cait1          with an additional thank you to jared for fixing that :)
14:21 cait1          as i filed it in august 2011
14:24 jcamins        Glad to be of service.
14:28 cait1          ok, easy to test, signed off and moving on
14:29 cait1          oh
14:29 cait1          the next one is harder
14:29 cait1          bug 8206
14:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
14:35 cait1          hm jcamins? - perhaps bad news
14:35 cait1          I am testng the authority search options
14:36 cait1          and I do a search for "anton"
14:36 cait1          and I get lots of results, one of those is  used for/see from: Bucher, Anton
14:36 cait1          so shouldn't I find that one when searching for anton with the last search option for see from?
14:36 jcamins        Yes.
14:37 jcamins        Did you reindex?
14:37 cait1          your test plan didn't say so
14:37 jcamins        Oops.
14:37 jcamins        Sorry!
14:38 cait1          I am doing it now, but your patch does no change to the indexes?
14:38 jcamins        Oh, that may be dependent on the overlay patch, then.
14:38 jcamins        I'll have to split them up a bit.
14:38 cait1          can you chck? researching is a bit painful for me righ tnow
14:38 cait1          slow internet
14:39 jcamins        Yep. After I finish my follow-up to 6720.
14:39 cait1          :)
14:39 nengard        has anyone notices that isbn and issn searches on z targets aren't finding results??
14:39 cait1          me
14:39 cait1          I have one target that stubbornly refuses to work, while it does using yaz :(
14:39 cait1          might be more, but that was the one I got the report for
14:40 cait1          and it seems not broken on their side
14:40 cait1          jcamins: moving on for now :)
14:41 jcamins        Additional patch 6720.
14:41 jcamins        *on bug 6720
14:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6720 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Saved authorities always show as 'Default'
14:42 cait1          added a note on 8206
14:42 cait1          moving back to 6720
14:44 sekjal         hi, #koha!
14:45 jcamins        Hi, sekjal!
14:45 jcamins        Wanna QA something cool?
14:45 sekjal         jcamins:  I do; today is the Scholarly Retreat at the library
14:45 jcamins        Bug 7943 is very cool!
14:45 cait1          ohoh, jcamins has switched into qa nagging mode ;)
14:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
14:46 jcamins        ;D
14:46 cait1          hi sekjal :)
14:46 cait1          but he is right - it's cool, because it fixes translatability and rewrites some really evil code
14:47 sekjal         hi, cait1
14:47 sekjal         jcamins: will look at that one next
14:47 sekjal         my goal is to get the QAQ under 10
14:48 sekjal         we'll see how well I do
14:48 jcamins        sekjal++
14:48 cait1          sekjal++
14:48 cait1          ok, working on 8205 now
14:48 cait1          bug 8205
14:48 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC
14:50 wizzyrea       oleonard: no icons yet, but what do you think of this: http://screencast.com/t/nzQQICIVg3p
14:51 oleonard       I wonder if we even need "set library" there since it's in the header at all times
14:52 wizzyrea       Ooo good point
14:52 * oleonard     honestly didn't notice it was on that page
14:52 cait1          neither did I  :)
14:53 * oleonard     wishes wizzyrea good luck finding icons that differentiate all those holds reports
14:53 cait1          oh yes
14:53 cait1          well... i don't need icons
14:53 oleonard       ^ and that's why icons are problematic
14:54 cait1          is that the right time to say - I dislike icons?
14:54 cait1          ;)
14:54 oleonard       What about a set of icons for the top 4 functions, say check out check in transfer and fast cataloging, then a box under all that with report links?
14:54 cait1          I tihnk another problem is grouping
14:54 cait1          the new buttons ar enice
14:55 cait1          but it's also nice to have some groups - holds reports for example
14:55 cait1          hierarchies
14:55 * jcamins      would like rolldown trays for things that are less commonly used.
14:55 wizzyrea       I like these ideas
14:56 wizzyrea       but I don't like hiding things, sorry jcamins.
14:56 wizzyrea       people don't find them
14:56 cait1          I think it#s hard to tell what's not commonly used here
14:56 cait1          the only time I go to that page is when I want to run a report from it
14:56 cait1          for checkout and checkin I use other paths
14:56 jcamins        wizzyrea: we don't have an authority search/new authority link at all from the main page anymore.
14:57 jcamins        wizzyrea: so adding a roll-down tray would reduce clicks for those of us who use those links regularly.
14:57 cait1          now you scared gaetan_B away :)
14:57 wizzyrea       well *there* it might make sense, but i'm not sure there is anything that is "not commonly used" on circ-home
14:58 clrh           cait1: have to catch his train :)
14:58 jcamins        wizzyrea: for me, "circ" would fall under that heading.
14:58 jcamins        :P
14:58 wizzyrea       you aren't typical :P
14:58 cait1          clrh: :)
14:58 wizzyrea       but yes, I like the idea of icons for some things, and lists of reports for others
14:59 cait1          jcamins: hmmmmmm
14:59 * wizzyrea     will piddle about some more
14:59 cait1          I have lots of erros in my logs...
14:59 cait1          or warnings
15:00 jcamins        cait1: you do?
15:00 jcamins        Uh-oh.
15:00 jcamins        That's not good.
15:00 cait1          probably warnings
15:00 cait1          but I still want to ask you to fix it :)
15:00 jcamins        If you tell me what they are, I will.
15:01 cait1          [Fri Jun 15 16:57:49 2012] [error] [client] [Fri Jun 15 16:57:49 2012] opac-authorities-home.pl: Use of uninitialized value $i in string eq at /home/katrin/kohaclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 255., referer: http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl
15:01 cait1          seems to happen with each authority search
15:01 cait1          lots
15:02 jcamins        Yikes.
15:02 wizzyrea       well here's "add patron" http://thenounproject.com/noun/medical-library/#icon-No682
15:02 jcamins        I will look to see what that is.
15:02 * wizzyrea     sighs
15:02 cait1          hm seems on current master too
15:02 cait1          but if you would still take a look it would clean up the logs quite a bit
15:02 cait1          seems I get one line for each search result
15:03 * wizzyrea     considers this for hold queue
15:03 wizzyrea       http://thenounproject.com/noun/bomb/#icon-No338
15:04 jcamins        Wait...
15:04 jcamins        You get that error on master?
15:04 cait1          hm
15:04 cait1          yes
15:04 cait1          Ithink so
15:04 cait1          I can retest
15:04 cait1          but before I have to tell you something unpleasant about the unused authorities
15:05 jcamins        I've been troubleshooting an error that I think might be caused by that.
15:05 jcamins        What's that?
15:05 cait1          I have in use a person with ab and a subject absurdes theater, when I turn the hiding on and search for ab, only the person is found
15:05 cait1          when I search for absurd it shows correctly my other
15:05 jcamins        Is absurdes theater used?
15:05 cait1          it is
15:05 reiveune       bye$
15:05 cait1          when I search for absurd it shows up
15:06 cait1          I only don't get them both on one result list
15:06 jcamins        But it shows up when you search for ab?
15:06 cait1          maybe something with the maximum retrieved? paging?
15:06 cait1          with ab only the person shows up
15:06 cait1          abel-struth
15:06 cait1          I only have very few linked records in this catalog
15:07 cait1          I get a reswult list with 1 result
15:07 cait1          and lots of paging on top
15:07 jcamins        cait1: I mean, when you don't have the syspref turned on, ab shows them both?
15:07 jcamins        "ab" shouldn't ever bring up "absurdes" in the default search.
15:07 cait1          why not?
15:07 sekjal         jcamins: bug 7943 processed
15:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
15:07 cait1          well, it's a paging problem I think
15:07 cait1          if I page, the records are there
15:08 cait1          but some pages are empty
15:08 cait1          and others have only very few results
15:08 jcamins        Because the default search is absurd.
15:08 jcamins        Yay!
15:08 cait1          I suppose you just hide the records unused?
15:08 jcamins        sekjal++
15:08 cait1          without redoing the paging?
15:08 jcamins        cait1: right. That's why it changes the count.
15:08 jcamins        (it says "about X records")
15:08 cait1          Showing 2 of about 155 results
15:09 cait1          it's confusing
15:09 cait1          I know it's probably hard to fix that
15:09 cait1          but... it's very confusing
15:09 jcamins        cait1: I wouldn't recommend you turn the syspref on. :P
15:09 cait1          I missed the paging the first time, because I assumed only 1 rsult was right
15:09 cait1          jcamins: is that a proper solution to the problem? ;)
15:09 jcamins        cait1: unfortunately, yes.
15:10 jcamins        cait1: it's the same reason the opachiddenitems syspref is so unpleasant to use.
15:10 cait1          my result pages 7 and 8 are empty, 6 shows one record... and so on
15:10 cait1          meh.
15:10 jcamins        With solr we may be able to work around it, but Zebra doesn't really give us any option. :(
15:10 cait1          we do paging wrong then.
15:10 jcamins        We sure do!
15:11 cait1          hm
15:11 cait1          it's an optoin
15:11 cait1          I could sign off on it with a note
15:11 cait1          but it really looks not nice with my badly linked data
15:11 jcamins        Paging should be done consistently, but until we move all the search code to one place (Koha::SearchEngine), we can't do that.
15:11 jcamins        :(
15:12 cait1          oh, don't do the sad smiley on me!
15:12 jcamins        Actually, the problem will be fixed to a large extent by my proposed RecordProcessor, though that's more a side effect than anything else.
15:15 jcamins        But before my RecordProcessor code can be submitted, bug 7943 needs to be pushed.
15:15 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search
15:16 jcamins        Yay!
15:16 jcamins        cait++
15:19 druthb         o/
15:20 oleonard       Hi druthb
15:21 druthb         hi, oleonard!
15:21 cait1          hi druthb
15:21 mib_m1g889     helllo guys
15:21 oleonard       On the batch mod screen is it more technically correct to say "check to delete subfield 3" or "check to delete the value of subfield 3?"
15:21 druthb         hi, cait1  :)
15:21 mib_m1g889     query about sql under Koha
15:21 mib_m1g889     anyone can help plz
15:22 wizzyrea       just ask :)
15:22 eythian        mib_m1g889: you're going to have to ask a question before anyone can help
15:23 cait1          eythian: I still have to get used to you at this time of the day :)
15:24 jcamins        eythian: wow, that's really weird.
15:24 mib_m1g889     Is there any relationship maitained (PK - FK) for the table action_logs and borrowers Table
15:24 jcamins        schema?
15:24 wahanui        somebody said schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
15:27 cait1          ok
15:27 cait1          running out of battery
15:27 cait1          bbl
15:27 druthb         kk
15:28 eythian        How do people typically do items in stack? Have a location, ccode, or item type, or have the stack as a branch?
15:28 jcamins        eythian: what do you mean?
15:29 eythian        jcamins: you have books in the stack (i.e. in the back room, not the general collection) and people can get them out by asking a librarian to go fetch them
15:29 jcamins        I use location.
15:29 eythian        That's what I was thinking would be most appropriate
15:29 cait1          eythian: we use a location
15:29 jcamins        ccode would also work, if there's a logical collection division.
15:29 eythian        The library asked for a separate item type
15:29 cait1          eythian: to have the allowonshelfholds in circ matrix would help quite a bit
15:29 eythian        which I didn't think was correct
15:30 cait1          but as long as this is global... not much difference in how you do it I think
15:30 cait1          I mean no method with big advantage over another afaikt
15:30 jcamins        eythian: separate itemtype makes sense if they circulate differently.
15:30 eythian        yeah
15:30 cait1          eythian: itemtype can be correct too - for managing hold sfor those items
15:30 eythian        I guess I need more details from them
15:31 eythian        cait1: why managing holds?
15:31 cait1          I think they want to put holds on them?
15:31 cait1          so they know they have to get ti?
15:31 cait1          or do they prefer people ask for it and not have people place holds on those? than you could do that with the circ rules
15:31 eythian        I dunno
15:32 cait1          and you could limit (if maxreserves was working) how many stack holds a person can do
15:32 cait1          but the problem is
15:32 eythian        it's a small community library
15:32 cait1          atm all those features are quite broken probably
15:32 eythian        so probably just like it was on the shelf
15:32 wizzyrea       I always think of itemtypes as "types of things that circulate," Locations as "physical places those itemtypes live," and collection codes as "groups of like things"
15:33 cait1          ^^
15:33 SJeffery       ^^
15:33 eythian        yeah, that's my distiction too
15:34 wizzyrea       but cait is right, hold limits are broooken right now
15:34 tcohen         hi #koha
15:34 tcohen         is ian here?
15:34 wizzyrea       @seen sekjal
15:34 huginn         wizzyrea: sekjal was last seen in #koha 26 minutes and 52 seconds ago: <sekjal> jcamins: bug 7943 processed
15:34 jcamins        sekjal was a moment ago.
15:34 wizzyrea       seems so
15:34 cait1          oook, now I am really leaving
15:34 cait1          bbl from home :)
15:34 wizzyrea       later :)
15:35 tcohen         sekjal is ian? :-D
15:35 wizzyrea       irc regulars?
15:35 wahanui        irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
15:35 wizzyrea       ;)
15:35 sekjal         my name is Ian, yes
15:35 sekjal         one of a couple in the Koha community, though
15:35 tcohen         do u have a minute to talk about
15:36 tcohen         _FixFineDaysOnReturn
15:36 sekjal         tcohen: sure
15:36 tcohen         ( deltadays - grace )->is_positive is true for 0 and 0
15:37 SJeffery       lol, I never realized that sekjal=ian
15:37 tcohen         ence we are debarring patrons when check-in occurs the same day the check-out happened
15:37 tcohen         (using finedays of course)
15:38 sekjal         tcohen: that's what the thread on koha-devel was leading me to believe, yes
15:38 tcohen         indeed
15:38 sekjal         so we need to change our comparison
15:38 tcohen         i was asked by bgk to check that
15:38 tcohen         as we are going into production with 3.8
15:39 jcamins        tcohen: you are?
15:39 jcamins        tcohen: are you sure you want to do that?
15:39 tcohen         now we are not
15:39 jcamins        tcohen: I mean, seriously, you've considered this at length and written out pros and cons?
15:40 tcohen         jcamins, no
15:40 jcamins        Not to be pessimistic, but .1 is early.
15:40 tcohen         haven't found a pros and cons list
15:41 jcamins        tcohen: you can, of course, go to 3.8 if you'd like, I just hear more about problems with that decision than I do about benefits. ;)
15:42 tcohen         jcamins, i've tons of koha-devel emails to read
15:42 tcohen         been out for a while
15:42 jcamins        tcohen: fair enough.
15:42 tcohen         (from koha stuff)
15:42 jcamins        Welcome back.
15:43 jcamins        dpavlin is going to be redoing the caching code.
15:43 * jcamins      is very excited. :)
15:43 SJeffery       jcamins: I am looking at the 3.8 bugs list and nothing is jumping out as being a major issue...?
15:43 tcohen         yes, i've read bout it
15:43 tcohen         and i'm glad to hear that!
15:43 sekjal         tcohen:  so it looks like the problem is in Koha::Calendar
15:43 tcohen         if you're using finedays, wait until we get that fixed
15:44 sekjal         we're getting the absolute value of days between due and today, rather than a positive or negative duration
15:44 wizzyrea       SJeffery: oh my
15:44 wizzyrea       so many bugs.
15:44 wizzyrea       bad bugs
15:44 wizzyrea       double fines
15:44 wizzyrea       no hold limits
15:44 oleonard       If you're using hold limits wait until we get that fixed (unless it's already broken in your installation)
15:44 wizzyrea       calendar days not working
15:44 wizzyrea       dropbox mode not working
15:44 tcohen         _FixFineDaysOnReturn->deltadays: 0
15:45 tcohen         _FixFineDaysOnReturn->grace: 0
15:45 SJeffery       ah, ok. We do not use holds, serials module, acquisitions module, fines, or checkout periods:)
15:45 wizzyrea       due dates set at 00:00 instead of 23:59
15:45 SJeffery       That could be why I do not see anything!
15:45 tcohen         ( deltadays - grace )->is_positive = 1
15:45 wizzyrea       yea, that would explain it.
15:45 wizzyrea       ;)
15:45 wizzyrea       basically, if you only want to catalog stuff, you're pretty good
15:45 jcamins        SJeffery: it's little problems that add up to a big nuisance... lots of issues with fines, some with holds, the UI isn't quite finished, etc.
15:45 wizzyrea       if you want to circ
15:45 wizzyrea       with all of the
15:45 wizzyrea       @quote get 123
15:45 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
15:45 wizzyrea       mad schemes
15:45 wizzyrea       that libraries like to do
15:45 jcamins        Except that authority linking may be broken in 3.8.1.
15:45 wizzyrea       don't use 3.8
15:45 * jcamins      bangs his head on the desk.
15:46 sekjal         ::sigh::
15:46 jcamins        I just fixed it!
15:46 jcamins        *Just* fixed it.
15:46 tcohen         authority linking? finedays?
15:46 jcamins        Under six months ago fixed it.
15:46 jcamins        The patch got into 3.6.x a month ago.
15:46 SJeffery       I have no clue what mad schemes you could be referring to *whistles innocently*
15:47 eythian        I used that patch on a slightly older 3.6, it worked magically
15:47 jcamins        eythian: authority linking works beautifully on 3.6.x.
15:51 slef           hi all
15:52 drojf          hey slef
15:52 eythian        hello slef
15:53 * wizzyrea     waves to slef the kohacon conquering hero!
15:53 slef           wizzyrea: it only looks that way because several other volunteers had to do tasks away from the hall... like getting HMRC to release the book bags
15:54 wizzyrea       pft
15:54 wizzyrea       modest as always
15:54 slef           it was fun... but very tiring
15:55 slef           and I've done over 1000 miles since 4pm Monday
15:55 slef           so looking forward to the England football match tonight
15:55 slef           and listening to the French getting beat just now
15:58 wizzyrea       1000 miles… on bike?
15:58 wizzyrea       or...
15:59 slef           foot, car, bike, train, bike, car
15:59 wizzyrea       good heavens.
15:59 wizzyrea       mostly train though eh
15:59 slef           mostly car, sadly
15:59 wizzyrea       ooo
16:00 slef           we lugged too much kit between edinburgh and Norfolk to use the train
16:06 oleonard       Item batch mod can't set lost status?
16:07 wizzyrea       wha?
16:07 wizzyrea       srsly? that used to work.
16:08 oleonard       I don't see it in the list of subfields
16:08 * wizzyrea     looks
16:09 oleonard       Wait, is my framework messed up?
16:09 eythian        that sounds plausible
16:10 jcamins        eythian: what is it that I had asked you to do?
16:10 eythian        <jcamins> Could you please upload a package for libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl to the oldstable dist on debian.koha-community.org?
16:10 jcamins        You said you were working on it, but I have no recollection what "it" is.
16:10 jcamins        Ah.
16:10 jcamins        Thanks.
16:10 eythian        probably not today actually
16:10 eythian        given it's after 5 already
16:10 jcamins        That's not going into 3.6.6 anyway.
16:10 eythian        OK cool
16:10 wizzyrea       oleonard: I don't see it either
16:10 wizzyrea       in master… let me check 3.8
16:10 wizzyrea          3.6
16:11 eythian        who scans a bunch of items just to mark them lost anyway? They're clearly in your pile ;)
16:11 wizzyrea       it's subfield 1
16:11 wizzyrea       and it's in 3.6
16:11 wizzyrea       actually that's a really good point ^.^
16:12 jcamins        eythian: you mark them not lost.
16:12 eythian        Oh, you just "happened" to find them behind the couch eh?
16:12 eythian        suspicious
16:13 oleonard       eythian: Because don't tell me what to do!
16:13 jcamins        eythian: the problem patron that took out fifty books and didn't return them for a year?
16:13 jcamins        s/he just found them all when you sent him/her to collections.
16:13 eythian        stop bringing loginc into this!
16:13 eythian        or logic
16:13 jcamins        eythian: so where are you?
16:13 eythian        jcamins: Brighton
16:13 wahanui        i guess Brighton is where the catalyst UK offices are
16:13 * oleonard     wishes Bug 8229 would get pushed so he could properly check his framework
16:13 eythian        what wahanui said
16:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly
16:15 jcamins        eythian: ah. I'm sure they have decent beer in Brighton.
16:15 oleonard       wizzyrea: My subfield 1 was hidden for some reason.
16:15 eythian        jcamins: the Darkstar brewery is in these parts somewhere
16:15 eythian        and The Evening Star, where it's served, is nearby.
16:16 wizzyrea       well it's the same in mine
16:17 eythian        there is a sad lack of untappd activity in the region however
16:17 oleonard       So anyway, on the batch mod screen is it more technically correct to say "check to delete subfield 3" or "check to delete the value of subfield 3?"
16:17 * jcamins      is not a beer drinker, but understands that Fridays mean beer o'clock at Catalyst.
16:18 jcamins        The first.
16:18 wahanui        somebody said the first was the command i ran
16:18 wizzyrea       delete the value
16:18 eythian        jcamins: it is in Wellington, apparently not so much in the UK however, alas
16:18 wizzyrea       hmm, I'm disagreeing with jcamins - you're not actually deleting the subfield right?
16:18 jcamins        eythian: introduce them to the concept! Isn't Catalyst an NZ company?
16:18 jcamins        wizzyrea: yes you are.
16:19 eythian        jcamins: it is. About half the staff here are from NZ
16:19 jcamins        eythian: ergo, you are eighteen minutes late to beer o'clock!
16:19 jcamins        wizzyrea: you can't have a subfield with no value.
16:19 eythian        1 hour 18 minutes
16:20 jcamins        !!! Even worse!
16:20 eythian        I know!
16:28 dpavlin        jcamins: I didn't drink beer before Scotland either, but ale got me over to the dark side :-)
16:29 eythian        dpavlin: if all you've had previously is crappy lagers, you've been missing out.
16:29 * oleonard     has been in the mood for a good ale lately
16:30 dpavlin        I know :-)
16:30 jcamins        dpavlin: I've been to Scotland. The reason I don't drink beer is the bubbles.
16:30 eythian        jcamins: cask ales aren't very carbonated at all
16:30 jcamins        A friend of mine brews the occasional beer without any secondary fermentation so that I can drink it.
16:31 jcamins        (why yes, most of my friends *do* brew their own beer)
16:32 oleonard       Showoff :P
16:32 eythian        that's nothing, a number of my friends brew commercially :)
16:32 sekjal         homebrewing is definitely "in" these days
16:32 eythian        We've passed it by already
16:32 * wizzyrea     recalls that eythian is a beer geek beyond any other I know
16:32 eythian        the US is so far behind ;)
16:32 jcamins        eythian: would that be why they're your friends? ;)
16:32 dpavlin        jcamins: bubbles help with alchocol transfer to bood, which is the point of beer, I guess...
16:33 dpavlin        s/bood/blood/
16:33 jcamins        dpavlin: I can't drink soda, either.
16:33 eythian        jcamins: heh, it's about 50/50 ;)
16:35 wizzyrea       yea, the cool kids have moved on to making their own kombucha
16:35 wizzyrea       or something.
16:40 * cait         waves
16:40 jcamins        cait: how did you get those warnings?
16:43 cait           search
16:43 cait           all I did was a search in opac authorities browser
16:43 cait           I think maybe my "abs"
16:44 jcamins        Huh.
16:44 * eythian      is outta here, bye!
16:44 jcamins        Ohh.
16:45 dpavlin        I'm missing ui-bg_flat_75_ffffff_40x100.png and friend in master what did I do wrong?
16:45 oleonard       dpavlin: What page?
16:45 wahanui        it has been said that page is too big?
16:45 dpavlin        every intranet page
16:46 dpavlin        I don't have files on filesystem.
16:46 jcamins        Bug 8205
16:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8205 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Should be possible to hide unused authorities in OPAC
16:46 jcamins        bug 8206
16:46 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
16:46 jcamins        There's the one I wanted.
16:46 cait           eythian: nice evening :)
16:47 oleonard       dpavlin: Clear your browser cache?
16:47 jcamins        cait: it turns out that your authority search for "ab" was only working because we're producing invalid authorities queries on the OPAC.
16:47 dpavlin        oleonard: nop. I don't have them in git checkout. Where are they surposed to come from?
16:47 cait           jcamins: interesting
16:47 cait           jcamins: i always search for a, b or something else to produce big result lists
16:47 cait           I assumed auto truncation
16:48 jcamins        cait: nope. Just a bug.
16:48 * cait         waves at dpavlin :)
16:48 cait           jcamins: hmmm
16:48 cait           jcamins: but i like being able to do truncate searches?
16:48 oleonard       dpavlin: It's not that you're missing those files, it's that some CSS is calling images which it shouldn't
16:49 oleonard       dpavlin: That's why I suggested clearing your cache. Your staff client CSS shouldn't call those images if it is up to date
16:49 jcamins        cait: that's why I added the options.
16:49 jcamins        cait: because I would like to be able to automatically truncate.
16:49 cait           hm
16:49 cait           I thouht that was what contains and the others were for?
16:50 cait           I am confused now, but you are probably right
16:50 jcamins        cait: the default authorities index was phrase only.
16:51 dpavlin        oleonard: make sense. But I have references to them in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery-ui.css
16:52 oleonard       dpavlin: Yes, but those calls should be overridden by staff-global.css. My datepicker follow-up consolidates all that a bit.
16:54 dpavlin        oleonard++ we have our own staff-global.css which is culprint.
16:55 cait           supermarket
16:55 cait           bbiab
17:01 * oleonard     is off
17:01 oleonard       Have a nice weekend
17:04 sekjal         QAQ at 27
17:07 jcamins        Bug 8206 is ready for cait's sign off.
17:07 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
17:12 cait           :)
17:12 cait           back
17:12 cait           sekjal++
17:14 jcamins        cait: and when you are done with bug 8206, bug 8202 would welcome your attention.
17:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
17:14 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authorities to export tool
17:14 jcamins        wizzyrea: that one may be relevant to your interest, as well.
17:14 cait           I think wizzyrea is probably busy in circulation righ tnow :(
17:15 cait           wizzyrea: are there patches for the big problems yet?
17:16 jcamins        cait: yes, but I thought she might need a break before her head exploded.
17:18 cait           testing something nice? ;)
17:18 cait           I will prepare my dinner, then I am back to teesting
17:18 jcamins        cait: yep. Many nice things. Also, bug 8203.
17:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8203 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Should be possible to save individual authorities
17:18 cait           ok, give me the sequence again :)
17:19 jcamins        cait: bug 8206, followed by 8202, followed by 8203.
17:19 jcamins        All should be pretty easy to test.
17:21 cait           k
17:21 cait           but first cutting onions
17:21 jcamins        sekjal: you're getting there!
17:23 jcamins        And a bunch of these (based on the subjects) look like they should be pretty small, and therefore easy to QA. :)
17:24 sekjal         under 20
17:24 * cait         starts crying
17:25 jcamins        cait: if you run water over the onions first, it will help a bit.
17:25 cait           too late
17:34 sekjal         QAQ = 15
17:37 * cait         cheers sekjal on
17:42 sekjal         QAQ = 13, and everything left is classed as "ENH"
17:45 Oak            @wunder islamabad
17:45 huginn         Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (10:00 PM PKT on June 15, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
17:46 Oak            kia ora #koha
17:46 jcamins        Bah, humbug.
17:46 * jcamins      finds two bugs.
17:50 sekjal         going to grab a cookie from downstairs, then will start QAing bug 8130
17:50 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , attach PDF files to a patron record
17:55 cait           :)
17:59 sekjal         well that was anti-climactic... doesn't apply
17:59 sekjal         sorry, kylemhall... probably a simple rebase, but I know how annoying those can be to have to do repeatedly
18:05 jcamins        How many places do you think we use get_saved_report?
18:06 cait           too many?
18:07 jcamins        Surprisingly few places, actually.
18:07 * jcamins      carries on.
18:08 cait           oh
18:08 cait           what are you working on?
18:09 jcamins        Bug 8255.
18:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8255 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Local cover images should be cacheable
18:09 jcamins        No.
18:09 jcamins        Bug 8256
18:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8256 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Reports webservice should allow selection by name
18:09 cait           selection by name?
18:09 cait           ah report name?
18:10 jcamins        Yup.
18:13 jcamins        Cool.
18:13 jcamins        My change worked.
18:14 * wizzyrea     returns from lunch
18:15 sekjal         QAQ = 9
18:15 wizzyrea       sekjal++
18:15 sekjal         paul_p will have plenty of work for Monday :)
18:16 wizzyrea       sekjal - opinion - on bug 6976 which fix do you think is better?
18:16 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC
18:16 wizzyrea       or do you have an opinion on that because… that really needs to be fixed.
18:16 sekjal         wizzyrea:  reading patches, will try to formulate an informed opinion
18:17 jcamins        wizzyrea: the second patch is a rewrite of the first.
18:17 jcamins        At least, that's what it looked like to me.
18:17 wizzyrea       i know but ...
18:18 wizzyrea       i'm a waffler.
18:18 * jcamins      isn't. I was fine with the first patch.
18:18 sekjal         so the root of the problem is that doing multiple holds at once from the results list bypasses the limit?
18:19 wizzyrea       from anywhere, I think
18:19 wizzyrea       hold limits are currently totally broken
18:20 jcamins        sekjal: right. And without any sort of global holds limit, there's no way around that.
18:20 sekjal         easy:  stop doing holds
18:20 * wizzyrea     gives sekjal "the look"
18:20 wizzyrea       you know the one.
18:20 wizzyrea       ;)
18:23 sekjal         I like the second patches' warning message in the OPAC
18:25 sekjal         all in all, it seems simpler and more direct.  but it may not do the iterative calculation that the first does
18:25 sekjal         in fact, given the warning message, I'm sure it doesn't
18:26 sekjal         so, the difference (I think) is whether we let some of the multiple holds go through, or if we say "Hey, too many, go change your selection to less than X"
18:26 sekjal         is that what everyone else is seeing?
18:35 cait           bug 8206
18:35 wahanui        bug 8206 is ready for your sign off.
18:35 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8206 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add additional search options to authority browser in OPAC
18:36 jcamins        Indeed it is. :)
18:36 cait           it also applies ;)
18:37 jcamins        I would think so.
18:37 jcamins        I rebased it just a few minutes ago.
18:38 cait           jcamins: hmm
18:38 cait           I am looking at the html form
18:38 cait           and wonder why we have 2 fields with the same name? not sure if that's intended?
18:39 jcamins        cait: we have two fields with the same name still?
18:39 jcamins        That was the problem you pointed out to me earlier.
18:39 cait           it seems to me
18:39 cait           hm?
18:39 jcamins        I thought I fixed it.
18:39 cait           let me show you my paste
18:39 jcamins        With the warnings.
18:39 cait           perhaps it's just me getting it wrong
18:39 cait           http://paste.koha-community.org/453
18:39 cait           marclist seems doubled up to me
18:39 jcamins        I could have uploaded the wrong patch.
18:40 jcamins        Hm.
18:40 cait           the see from option is gone
18:40 jcamins        It does indeed.
18:40 jcamins        Yeah, I'll do that in a follow-up.
18:40 cait           k
18:40 * jcamins      will fix the marclist issue.
18:40 cait           moving on to the other
18:40 jcamins        After I finish this commit.
18:40 cait           bug 8202
18:40 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8202 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authorities to export tool
18:44 cait           oleonard++ for shiny new tabs
18:44 wizzyrea       hm, not sure how I feel about this: http://screencast.com/t/RmcLaMre9l
18:44 cait           hm
18:45 cait           maybe with some css tweaking to the right side?
18:45 wizzyrea       such as?
18:45 dpavlin        cait: I can hear Marijana's voice in my head: "I will have to send e-mail to librarians about this change"
18:45 jcamins        cait: attached a new patch.
18:45 cait           more room between lines
18:45 cait           dpavlin: heh
18:45 wizzyrea       yes, we could all do well to hear that voice in our heads now and again
18:45 cait           wizzyrea: lots of free space on one side, almost no space on the other
18:46 wizzyrea       well I have my window up pretty big.
18:46 SJeffery       It kinda looks like someone reworked the left side and then stopped.
18:46 wizzyrea       heh.
18:53 wizzyrea       the big buttons look dumb on both sides though.
18:53 rangi          morning
18:53 wizzyrea       imo.
18:54 wizzyrea       heya!
18:54 * wizzyrea     is impressed you're awake
18:54 rangi          12 hours sleep :)
18:54 wizzyrea       good stuff!
18:55 cait           sounds like you needed it
18:55 cait           good morning rangi :)
18:56 sekjal         well, my scholarly retreat time is just about over.  QAQ under 10, as I'd hoped.  I think I can be satisfied with today's work
18:56 rangi          yay sekjal
18:56 mle            rangi : )
18:57 jcamins        Yay!
18:57 jcamins        sekjal++
18:57 jcamins        Good morning, rangi.
18:57 sekjal         I'm going to head back to my office, and get some UMass-related work done before I leave
18:57 sekjal         have a great [timeofday], #koha!
18:59 cait           hmm
18:59 * wajasu       testing building debian packages in my koha dev VM ( using robin's build-git-snapshot)
18:59 cait           should I be able to use marcdump less on the exported files?
18:59 cait           or does it not work because it's authorities?
18:59 cait           Couldn't open less: Died at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File.pm line 71.
19:00 rangi          marcdump file | less
19:00 rangi          right?
19:00 cait           hmm
19:00 cait           I should looked in my wiki
19:01 rangi          hey mle :)
19:01 mle            ahoy from sunny embrah
19:02 mle            its "warm" here, "warm" and "dry"
19:02 rangi          heh, the morning i flew out, was the best weather we'd had :)
19:02 mle            indeed
19:02 cait           yeah
19:02 rangi          but i had a window seat so i got a great view
19:02 cait           I was all sweaty carrying around all my stuff when I reached waverly :(
19:02 cait           but the view was nice
19:04 * drojf        drinks innis & gunn rum finish
19:04 rangi          i luckily could catch the n22 night bus, which left just around the corner from our hotel
19:04 drojf          i have my edinburgh with me, bottled
19:04 rangi          the bus system in edinburgh is really quite fantastic
19:05 rangi          oooh an awake 3 year old
19:06 * rangi        will bbiab
19:07 * mle          looks at that pile of video editing
19:07 * mle          goes out for another bottle of wine
19:08 cait           lol
19:19 jenkins_koha   Starting build #55 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
19:22 cait           rangi++ ... of course I had the syntax wrong, my marc files read quite nicely now
19:24 cait           jcamins++
19:24 cait           amazing auth export :)
19:24 cait           works perfectly
19:30 jcamins        :)
19:31 cait           ... and makes it even easier to get your data out of Koha
19:32 cait           I think all the rest can be easily done with reports
19:34 drojf          when i use 'koha-create --create-db name'
19:34 drojf          i get 'ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation CREATE USER failed for 'name'@'%''on :8080 i then see Unknown database 'koha2' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758. and severl more lines of errors. when i then use 'koha-remove name' i get 'ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_koha2'@'%''
19:34 drojf          either i am missing something or there is a problem with the package?!
19:34 cait           looks like mysql
19:35 cait           are you installing on ubuntu?
19:35 drojf          debian
19:35 drojf          it should not try to delete a different user than it tried to create?!
19:35 cait           sorry, still haven't played with the packages
19:47 rangi          definitely not drojf, you should try to catch eythian next time he is around, he is still in your timezone :)
19:47 rangi          http://drupal.biblibre.com/fr/blog/billet/la-kohacon-2012-est-termin%C3%A9e
19:47 rangi          http://www.ptfs-europe.com/kohacon12-2/
19:55 rangi          hi brylie_
19:55 * cait         waves
20:01 cait           jcamins: aorund?
20:09 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #55: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/55/
20:09 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
20:09 jenkins_koha   * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - followup to fix t/Creators.t
20:09 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
20:13 rangi          @wunder nzwn
20:13 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on June 16, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
20:20 cait           hm
20:20 cait           not really outdoor weather
20:21 rangi          nope, its yuck
20:22 cait           indoor activities then?
20:22 rangi          yeah, staying inside with the heater on I think
20:24 wizzyrea       @wunder 66049
20:24 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 29.2°C (3:23 PM CDT on June 15, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
20:24 wizzyrea       a bit warm, but gorgeous
20:55 wajasu         using build-git support,  but get tar: koha-build/labels: Cannot mkdir: No space left on device
20:55 jcamins        wajasu: you're out of diskspace.
20:55 wajasu         :o
20:57 drojf          jcamins: do you still have that 3.6 repo?
20:57 drojf          if so, where is it?
21:03 magnuse        @wunder boo
21:03 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:50 PM CEST on June 15, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
21:03 jcamins        drojf: I do.
21:03 magnuse        yay!
21:03 jcamins        apt.cpbibliography.com/koha 3.6.x main
21:03 * magnuse      wanders off again
21:03 drojf          thanks
21:04 jcamins        You're welcome.
21:26 wajasu         i changed BUILDPLACE  /var/cache/pbuilder/build  to get it to write to mounted filesystem for space.
21:28 rangi          wow its pouring
21:34 cait           night all :)
21:35 wajasu         now with build-git-snapshot  i get      Cannot change ownership to uid 0, gid 0: Permission denied
21:35 wajasu         so close
21:36 jcamins        wajasu: it should be shelling out to sudo.
21:38 jcamins        Alternatively, you are mounting in userspace?
21:38 wajasu         even though i run it as my "koha" user.  i am using sshfs, and -o allow_other
21:38 jcamins        Yes, that would be the problem.
21:39 jcamins        pbuilder uses chroot.
21:39 wajasu         so that script must run as root.
21:39 jcamins        So you have to either have sshfs remap uid 0 to your koha user (no idea how to do that) or mount via root.
21:39 jcamins        No, the script runs as your Koha user.
21:39 jcamins        pbuilder must run as root.
21:40 jcamins        build-git-snapshot uses sudo to do that.
21:43 wajasu         i build the tar.gz, and there is a point where it  untars, but now its trying to untar /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz   as koha, and since the chroot failed using fakeroot(i think), its trying to do it in my VM.
21:47 jcamins        wajasu: you have to do something complicated to get pbuilder to go somewhere other than /var/cache/pbuilder.
21:47 jcamins        Plus, pbuilder requires proc.
21:50 gml            cait: found error from yesterday
21:50 gml            cait: it was http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8135
21:50 huginn         04Bug 8135: critical, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Services Directory and itemrecorddisplay.pl File Missing After Install
22:02 jcamins        @later tell cait Updated patch on bug 8256.
22:02 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
23:02 rangi          weird being back in the timezone where everyone is asleep again
23:04 jcamins_away   Heh.
23:09 drojf          :)
23:09 drojf          for the record: koha runs on a raspberry pi. slooowly
23:09 jcamins_away   drojf++
23:10 wajasu         give some stats/benchmark so when folks run it on arm, they can compare.
23:10 cjh            drojf: awesome.
23:10 wajasu         or is rasberry an arm-based cpu
23:11 cjh            resberry is an arm based mini computer, kind of :)
23:11 drojf          raspberry pi is arm-based
23:11 wajasu         coolbeans
23:11 cjh            drojf: do you have any notes on the set up you used? (ie web server, distro, etc.)
23:11 cjh            rangi: wb :)
23:13 drojf          cjh: i tried to document the setup but ran in problems with the deb packages for 3.8 (not pi-related i think). i re-did it with jcamins_away's 3.6 repo. i try to write it down over the weekend. basically i just tweaked apt to use the repo (that has no official arm packages) and used packages.
23:14 eythian        drojf: what issues with 3.8 did you have?
23:14 eythian        I don't think they should be hugely different
23:14 drojf          when did you sneak in?
23:14 drojf          ;)
23:14 drojf          mom
23:15 eythian        oh, a little while ago :)
23:17 jcamins_away   eythian: there are a few extra dependencies for 3.8 that will be problems with ARM.
23:17 eythian        there are, I'm curious about what they are
23:18 eythian        I don't have any non-pure-perl ones built.
23:18 jcamins_away   DateTime.
23:19 eythian        that's in regular debian, I think
23:19 drojf          jcamins_away: i had to get one dependency from the 3.8 repo before i could install 3.6
23:19 jcamins_away   eythian: but do they have it in the raspberry pi repo yet?
23:19 jcamins_away   It's XS for me.
23:20 drojf          for 3.8 all seemed to be there, it was more some problem with koha-create
23:25 wajasu         i guess to build-git-snapshot, one needs CHI CHI::Driver::Memcached and Template::Plugin::HtmlToText
23:26 eythian        wajasu: yep
23:26 eythian        I'm working on packaging those
23:27 wajasu         what do you guys change.  the debian/... control files?   or should i wait.   or should I just git clone, and in my branch use v3.08.01 for now.
23:27 eythian        wajasu: well, the CHI etc. packages don't exist in Debian squeeze yet
23:27 eythian        s/yet//
23:28 eythian        so I'm going to create some and put them in the koha repo
23:28 wajasu         so i'll set my branch back to v3.08.01
23:29 eythian        probably best for now :)
23:30 wajasu         for my understanding, will you then add those to the debian/control file as a dependency  on master?
23:30 eythian        yeah
23:30 eythian        debian/update-control will do that where it can
23:30 eythian        (automagically)
23:30 eythian        and I have a patch in bugzilla to make it understand the ones that don't exist in debian
23:30 wajasu         haven't use that yet.
23:31 eythian        it just regenerates the list of dependencies
23:31 eythian        and writes them into debian/control
23:33 wajasu         i did pbuilder create --othermirror 'deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main' --mirror http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian
23:33 wajasu         should i be putting squeeze and main after the mirror?
23:34 eythian        I don't
23:34 wajasu         and what does squeeze-dev give me over squeeze?
23:34 eythian        I tend to build against unstable actually, it gives me forewarning of packages going away.
23:34 eythian        squeeze-dev tracks master
23:34 eythian        squeeze tracks current stable
23:35 wajasu         ok.  so for patches against the latest release, I'm ok.
23:35 eythian        yeah
23:35 eythian        I think (aside from changelog changes) the squeeze packages are exactly 3.8
23:36 eythian        by the end of the cycle they tend to diverge slightly with package-specific changes, but they always go into upstream master
23:37 wajasu         so when do you think you will have those new deps available?  i can work on something else until those are ready.
23:37 eythian        Not sure, hopefully early in the week
23:37 drojf          jcamins_away: i think the dependency i had to get from the 3.8 repo to install 3.6 was libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
23:38 eythian        drojf: that should also be in the 3.6 repo, fwiw
23:38 eythian        (though the 3.6 repo isn't really quite official yet)
23:38 wajasu         thx
23:39 drojf          wasn't there for me ;)
23:40 eythian        hmm curious
23:40 eythian        will double check that some time
23:40 eythian        drojf: you were using "oldstable"?
23:42 drojf          i used deb http://apt.cpbibliography.com/koha dists/3.6.x/main/binary-i386/
23:42 drojf          it may or may not be relevant that i changed the path so i get no complains about missing arm packages
23:43 drojf          or what di you mean by oldstable?
23:43 drojf          do
23:44 eythian        oh, I'm adding 3.6 to the k-c repo, so there'll be an "oldstable" distrib on it.
23:44 eythian        it's there now, just have one or two things still to add to it
23:44 drojf          ah, ok