Time  Nick          Message
01:03 jenkins_koha  Starting build #52 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:54 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #52: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/52/
01:54 jenkins_koha  * dpavlin: Bug 8178 - circ/circulation.pl under plack duplicates checkout rows
01:54 jenkins_koha  * sophie.meynieux: Bug 7815 : Order pickup libraries list by name rather than by code
01:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , circ/circulation.pl under plack duplicates checkout rows
01:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7815 minor, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Order pickup library list by name rather than by code
02:43 Waylon        hiya all. the /tmp/sessionlog file, whats it used for? for a 2 server cluster, does /tmp/sessionlog need to be shared, in order for koha to work correctly?
02:58 wajasu        The file /tmp/sessionlog contains login and out details.  i don't know about how to set up a cluster.  Maybe if you have load balancing infront of the koha servers, with session affinity, its ok to use separate ones.
02:59 Waylon        session affinity?
02:59 * Waylon      is replicating the mysql db
03:00 Waylon        so.. should sync the sessionlog file too?
03:00 bag           evening
03:00 wajasu        somehow, the load balanger/gateway is configured to use something like the user cookie, to determine where the users is working, and routing the reuests to the same server.  in that case, the /tmp/sessionlog should be ok.
03:02 Waylon        but if thats not true, that each request is evaluated and sent to the current lowest cpu usage, id need to share the sessionlog?
03:04 wajasu        correct.  but two servers sharing with some sort of file locking/coordination would be in order.  i haven't looked at the koha code.  maybe if you google koha cluster, you can find a docutmented setup.
03:05 * Waylon      is using glusterfsd
03:10 wajasu        i thought there was a session table in the database.  so if thats shared, maybe your auth is ok.
03:11 Waylon        yeah, there is a session table in database
03:11 Waylon        so why do we have sessionlog?
06:01 mtj           Waylon:  are you sure the session-log file is related to Koha?
06:06 mtj           oops, looks like it is, sorry... :)
06:07 mtj           Waylo,n fyi:  /tmp/sessionlog  looks safe, its only ever written too...
06:09 mtj           so, worst case, the session log might be goofy for a multi-koha server
06:22 francharb     moring
06:22 francharb     morning
06:32 alex_a        bonjour koha
06:48 jenkins_koha  Starting build #53 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:52 julian_m      hello
06:52 wahanui       hi, julian_m
06:53 reiveune      hello
06:53 wahanui       salut, reiveune
06:54 cait          hi all :)
06:58 matts         hi !
06:59 cait          hi matts :) how are your kittens? glad to have you back or pouting? :)
07:00 Joubu         hi all
07:00 matts         they weren't pouting at all ! They were all purrrrrrr
07:00 cait          lucky :)
07:00 cait          hi Joubu!
07:00 matts         yay :)
07:09 gaetan_B      bonjour #koha
07:12 cait          hi gaetan_B :)
07:28 mona          in 2.9 version we can n`t fill parameter properly please help me how to fill
07:35 mtj           mona:  koha.2.9 is veeeey old, why not use koha.3?
07:38 cait          mona: mtj is right - we will not be able to help you with this version I fear :( I personally have never seen or used it
07:40 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #53: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/53/
07:40 jenkins_koha  * paul.poulain: Adding Shari Perkins as contributor
07:40 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Fixing tabs in docs/history.txt
07:40 jenkins_koha  * amit.gupta: Bug 8166 - Adding new currencies & exchange rates
07:40 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8166 minor, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, Pushed to Stable , Adding new currencies & exchange rates if not fill any field it save blank record
07:41 jenkins_koha  Starting build #54 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:49 drojf         good morning #koha
08:11 cait          morning drojf :)
08:11 drojf         moin cait :)
08:31 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.8.x build #54: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/54/
08:31 jenkins_koha  * f.demians: Bug 4838 Fix repeated authorities selection
08:31 jenkins_koha  * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8201: Receive date not passed through correctly
08:31 jenkins_koha  * oleonard: Bug 8171 - Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html
08:31 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Fix version numbers in modules
08:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4838 normal, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Repeated authority headings break biblio record data entry form
08:31 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Module versions bumped pre release
08:31 jenkins_koha  * koha.sekjal: Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin
08:31 jenkins_koha  * dpavlin: Bug 7810 - C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined
08:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8201 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , can't change receive date
08:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html
08:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Fix version numbers in modules and set up a system to keep them up to date
08:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
08:31 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7810 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined
08:33 cait          drojf: how is being back?
08:34 drojf         alright, but i spent most of it in bed. have to leave for the other office soon, don't really feel like that
08:35 drojf         have you adjusted to germany already?
08:52 Waylon        mtj, its not a multi-koha server, its a multi-server koha
08:55 cait          drojf: not really.. at least started unpacking now
09:08 * drojf       detects a lack of full scottish breakfast
09:17 cait          clrh++ :)
09:19 clrh          cait: again? :)
09:20 cait          you deserve lots :)
09:20 cait          for the nice writeups on the wiki and ansering mailing list mails :)
09:21 clrh          thanks but then thanks to my team a lot too ;)
09:21 cait          :)
09:32 * magnuse     waves
09:39 drojf         hi magnuse
09:39 magnuse       kia ora drojf
09:41 cait          hi magnuse :)
09:41 magnuse       guten tag cait
09:42 cait          god dag :)
09:42 magnuse       :-)
09:49 mveron        Hi everybody
09:51 cait          hi mveron :)
09:51 * mveron      waves to cait
09:51 mveron        gmcharlt: I'd like to update the Wiki regarding Bug 7621, but I do not get a confirmation mail for my account.
09:51 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Signed Off , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
09:52 mveron        gmcharlt: I've been told that you can approve my account manually?
09:52 drojf         hi mveron
09:53 * mveron      waves to drojf
09:53 mveron        ..drojf. Shoud put my glasses
09:53 drojf         mveron: did you have a good trip home?
09:54 mveron        Yes, I had, but I was very tired...
09:54 drojf         i can imagine that. i was, and i had to get up much later
09:55 drojf         off to the non-koha office. have a nice day everybody
09:56 * mveron      will fetch some couscous with tomato, feta and olives out of his dish washer
09:56 drojf         :D
09:56 mveron        True! :-)
09:56 drojf         mveron++ # special cooking
09:57 mveron        Thanks. Dischwasher cooking is spreading all around the world
09:59 cait          mveron: that's the magic of koha :)
10:12 matts         hey #koha, here are the pics i've taken (and gathered) from kohacon12 : http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/pics
10:25 magnuse       yay!
10:36 kyleh         just submitted a new patch for bug 8043, needs signoff it anyone is interested. Really simple to test.
10:36 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 normal, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , today's checkouts are in Previous checkouts in circulation.pl
11:05 * mveron      On the way to weekly Koha meeting
11:08 kyleh         just testing
11:25 libsysguy     so with all the tld's for sale has anybody considered buying .koha for whatever ICANN has them priced at?
11:25 libsysguy     i think it is like $25,000 upfront
11:25 libsysguy     plus some crazy yearly fee
11:26 neo_          hi
11:26 cait          imgine would dev we could get done for that prize
11:26 cait          ;)
11:26 cait          hi neo_
11:26 libsysguy     haha cait
11:26 libsysguy     we could sell the domains off to libraries to make some of the money back :p
11:26 libsysguy     uttyler.koha
11:27 libsysguy     cait.koha
11:27 neo_          cait,  make test , fails for  MARC-XML-0.93
11:27 neo_          cait,  any idea ?
11:27 drojf         koha.koha
11:27 cait          libsysguy: libaries are not exactly known to have lots of money to spare ;)
11:27 libsysguy     mind = blown
11:27 cait          true.koha
11:27 drojf         koha-community.koha after some fork takes koha.koha :D
11:28 libsysguy     *whistles*
11:28 cait          neo_: fist question?
11:28 cait          first question?
11:28 wahanui       "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
11:29 jcamins_away  Don't use CPAN.
11:29 libsysguy     this ^^
11:29 * libsysguy   has his prod server beyond messed up because he used cpan unknowingly
11:30 neo_          cait, i was compiling MARC-XML  perl module
11:30 libsysguy     sure its sooo easy cpan *package name*
11:30 libsysguy     but updates are terrible
11:30 * Waylon      managed to get koha running on a two server replicated setup. glusterfsd sharing koha directory, MySQL::Replication sharing data. humming along very nicely.
11:30 neo_          make works fine
11:30 cait          neo_: yes, but why :) which os are you using? which versoin of Koha are you installing?
11:30 neo_          but  make test fails
11:30 cait          and out of interest - where are you located? :)
11:30 Waylon        oh.. and zebrasrv lib shared too.
11:30 neo_          CentOS 6.2
11:31 libsysguy     oh CentOS might explain your problem
11:31 jcamins       neo_: ah, you should seriously consider using Debian.
11:31 neo_          cait,  i am now in Kigali, Rwanda
11:31 libsysguy     I tried a centos install once
11:31 libsysguy     never again
11:31 cait          if you can it will make your life tons easier
11:31 Waylon        but using it as read only, im reindexing on a server, then copying the resulting set to the glusterfsd and then restarting zebra. yeah, Debian 100% easier
11:31 cait          to use debian or ubuntu
11:31 jcamins       I don't think anyone has successfully gotten Koha to work on CentOS.
11:31 libsysguy     koha on centos…not even once
11:32 Waylon        Uh.... my employer had koha on centos working. admittedly its 3.0.1pre2
11:32 neo_          can i go with the perl module install , by skipping make test ?
11:32 neo_          for MARC-XML ?
11:32 libsysguy     is there a yum package for that package?
11:33 neo_          no libsysguy
11:33 libsysguy     ouch
11:33 neo_          i  am packing it as a rpm
11:33 jcamins       neo_: you can try. As you've heard, no one has used it.
11:33 libsysguy     does it say why it failed
11:33 neo_          downloaded from cpan
11:33 libsysguy     yeah, you can try, but you are likely to have a bad time
11:33 jcamins       Waylon: 3.0 had fewer dependencies, I think.
11:34 * Waylon      nods.
11:34 Waylon        we'll upgrade and report our changes eventually.
11:34 cait          matts: your url does not work for me :(
11:34 matts         really ?
11:35 matts         what's the output ?
11:35 cait          now it does
11:35 cait          it was down a bit earlier...
11:35 libsysguy     http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22023846.jpg
11:35 cait          sorry for bothering you :)
11:35 jcamins       libsysguy: hehe.
11:35 matts         hmm, new subdomain... might have taken some time to reach all dns servers
11:36 cait          eek - you got photos of me!!
11:37 libsysguy     haha
11:37 libsysguy     who did?
11:37 magnuse       photos_of_cait++
11:37 cait          hmpf
11:37 * libsysguy   has never seen cait
11:38 libsysguy     cait you don't even have a photo on your G+ profile :p
11:38 cait          there are reasons
11:38 libsysguy     :-\
11:38 magnuse       cait likes to be mysterious :-)
11:38 libsysguy     cait is the ghost of Koha
11:38 cait          I always look dumb on photos
11:39 libsysguy     well then just put on some glasses
11:39 neo_          this the error for MARC-XML make test -  http://paste.koha-community.org/450
11:41 neo_          anybody have an idea ?
11:42 cait          [off] http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/pics/index.php?sfpg=MjAxMl8wNl8wNS0xMV9Lb2hhY29uX0VkaW5idXJnaC8qKjk1NjVjZDI3NTZhZTczZDNkYTk2NGJlMjk5MzA1MmVk
11:42 cait          try and find me :)
11:43 jcamins       neo_: I have no idea how to fix it, but that looks like a pretty major problem, sorry.
11:43 jcamins       cait: you look just fine in the group shot.
11:43 libsysguy     neo_ im with jcamins
11:43 cait          aaw
11:44 * magnuse     agrees with jcamins, of course
11:44 cait          thx
11:44 neo_          jcamins,  can i go ahead with koha installation by skipping MARC-XML make test
11:45 jcamins       neo_: you can try, but I would expect lots of problems.
11:45 jcamins       Argh!
11:45 jcamins       I forgot to sign off when cherry picking.
11:45 jcamins       Again.
11:46 neo_          is this a major module for Koha ?
11:46 jcamins       Yes.
11:47 magnuse       jcamins++ for being human, after all :-)
11:47 jcamins       I don't think there is any page that doesn't use MARC::File::XML.
11:47 neo_          thank you jcamins
11:48 jcamins       magnuse: thanks.
11:48 neo_          i will try in channel - perl of freenode.net
11:52 Waylon        neo_: MARC::File::XML is used for C4->context for config information parsing, which happens in basically every page.
11:53 Waylon        Its also used to phrase MARCxml in biblioitems yes?
11:53 jcamins       Waylon: yep.
11:53 jcamins       You know, the version field in Bugzilla does not work for me.
11:53 Waylon        hmm.. bugzilla has a bug?
11:53 * Waylon      giggles.
11:54 neo_          Waylon,  i have installed koha in a test machine, and koha loads in webpage , now i am trying to install in a production server, so i need to make sure this is not a major issue
11:54 Waylon        sorry, just ... couldn't resist. Anyways. I should document my setup sometime and post it in koha devel mailing list eh?
11:54 jcamins       Waylon: I mean, it functions properly.
11:54 jcamins       Yes please!
11:55 jcamins       Waylon: however, as RMaint for 3.6.x, all the version field does is irritate me.
11:55 Waylon        hiya mtj.
11:55 Waylon        neo_, its a major issue.
11:56 Waylon        not having MARC::File::XML installed and working correctly is a show stopper.
11:56 Waylon        I believe i had that problem in Centos.
11:57 neo_          no i have installed bypassing MARC-XML make test ,  by  make -i test
11:57 Waylon        So we moved to debian, and got a great koha guy to do the initial install, of which i have screen logs somewhere.
11:57 * Waylon      sighs. "neo_....... you just broke your system"
11:58 nengard       can I get another sign off on bug 8043 - this is one that has been pissing a lot of people off and would love to see it in 3.8.2 (no new strings)
11:58 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 normal, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , today's checkouts are in Previous checkouts in circulation.pl
11:58 Waylon        make tests are there for a reason.
11:59 neo_          ok
11:59 Waylon        sure, ive bypassed a few in my time, when i know everything is okay, but i never totally ignored them.
11:59 Waylon        can't you move to debian?
12:00 neo_          no the client need CentOS , and will get support  for 7 years
12:01 neo_          the hardware is Dell PowerEdge T410
12:02 jcamins       Based on the test results, there's probably a BIG problem with your LibXML installation.
12:04 Waylon        .... neo_..... you using a hosting management company like hostgator?
12:04 neo_          ok, i will check
12:04 neo_          no
12:04 Waylon        inhouse?
12:04 neo_          in client's server room
12:04 neo_          physical machine
12:04 Waylon        right.... why Centos?
12:05 jcamins       I have no idea what the problem might be, or how to fix it.
12:05 neo_          they policy is to use RHEL or CentOS , the sysadmin guys don't have much experience with Debian clones
12:05 * Waylon      sighs.
12:06 Waylon        join our email list, koha-devel (address on koha-community.org site) and ask for help for Centos. Good luck, because it was a nightmare trying to get it going.
12:06 neo_          https://metacpan.org/release/MARC-XML  , says  78 pass and 682 fails
12:07 Waylon        yup. so its incredibly difficult to get right.
12:07 Waylon        I think you need an exact version of the perl library, and of the underlying OS dependant library.
12:08 kylemhall     I think I've found a problem caused by the patch for bug 7444. circulation.pl now only shows dates instead of date/time for due dates.
12:08 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
12:08 neo_          i have perl-XML-LibXML-1.70-5.el6.x86_64  installed
12:09 neo_          jcamins, is the version required
12:09 neo_          i am trying to install koha 3.8.1 latest
12:10 jcamins       neo_: the version should be fine, but clearly there's a problem with LibXML.
12:10 neo_          ok
12:17 paul_p        limesurvey++ !!!
12:18 paul_p        (except maybe it's a little bit close to another lime...
12:18 jcamins       @later tell eythian Could you please upload a package for libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl to the oldstable dist on debian.koha-community.org?
12:18 huginn        jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:25 nengard       paul_p glad you like that idea :)
12:25 nengard       I love limesurvey!!!
12:32 jcamins       Could someone please do a git fetch and confirm that 3.6.x was updated?
12:34 jenkins_koha  Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:36 jcamins       Okay, jenkins says it has been.
12:36 libsysguy     thank you jenkins
12:39 jcamins       fredericd++
12:42 samuel        hi everybody
12:42 mib_r0crqt    I've a basic newguy question concerning upgrading
12:42 mib_r0crqt    alo Samuel
12:43 libsysguy     hey where can I go to update my email for the devel list and the patches list, I guess bugzilla also
12:43 mib_r0crqt    I've only recently install Koha 3.8.0, is there an easy way to move to Koha 3.8.1 short of just basically re-installing Koha at the 3.8.1 version?
12:43 libsysguy     today is my last day at UT Tyler
12:44 mib_r0crqt    where u going libsysguy?
12:44 libsysguy     bywater :)
12:44 Waylon        cool.
12:44 libsysguy     yeah I am pretty pumped about it
12:44 mib_r0crqt    we've never met, but we almost did :)
12:44 samuel        hi libsysguy
12:44 libsysguy     almost mib_r0crqt?
12:44 libsysguy     hey samuel
12:45 mib_r0crqt    that's great move for you, and i hope more money
12:45 libsysguy     samuel how goes the ldap stuff?
12:45 mib_r0crqt    yes, almost, i'm the library automation technician at TJC
12:45 libsysguy     oh hey…is it John IRL?
12:46 libsysguy     I was so hoping to get to meet up with you and the director at some point
12:46 mib_r0crqt    the librarians here wanted to like buy us lunch to introduce us
12:46 * Waylon      is currently having a hard time with old koha 2.0.0pre2, no real support from koha community because of version advances.... and no other coders in my employers company. So.. im envious of you libsysguy
12:46 mib_r0crqt    yes, i'm John
12:46 libsysguy     yeah, how are we still missing out on free lunch
12:46 samuel        i've not many worked on it since tuesday. I will see tomorrow  but thank you for your help, it's on the good way
12:47 mib_r0crqt    well, they are still looking at vendors for support
12:47 mib_r0crqt    bywater may make the cut
12:47 jcamins       mib_r0crqt: it's very easy. Just install 3.8.1 over your current install, and it will automatically upgrade.
12:47 libsysguy     Waylon, are you trying ot upgrade?
12:48 Waylon        yeah libsysguy .... lots of mods and ungitted patches to deal with.
12:48 Waylon        so is a long road.
12:48 * libsysguy   feels your pain Waylon
12:48 mib_r0crqt    from what version and to what version?
12:48 libsysguy     i Waylon I tried to do customizations in the code at first
12:49 libsysguy     mistake, and I paid for them
12:49 Waylon        from koha 2.0.0pre2 heavily modded to whatever is most well supported.
12:49 libsysguy     did you use git at all Waylon?
12:49 Waylon        wasn't me that modded it.
12:49 libsysguy     oh
12:49 libsysguy     ouch
12:49 mib_r0crqt    i'm looking at moving from 3.8.0 to 3.8.1 for the sake of the bug fixes
12:50 Waylon        can't find a git version because they cherrypicked patches from koha trunk.
12:50 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt: did you check out from git? or did you download and unzip?
12:50 mib_r0crqt    I've only recently install Koha 3.8.0, is there an easy way to move to Koha 3.8.1 short of just basically re-installing Koha at the 3.8.1 version?
12:50 wahanui       i already had it that way, mib_r0crqt.
12:50 libsysguy     sweet baby jesus Waylon…you are in a bad place
12:50 Waylon        yup.
12:50 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt: there is an upgrade path
12:50 mib_r0crqt    i did it from the tar ball
12:51 Waylon        hell.. if i knew what i was getting myself into, i might not of got the job.
12:51 mib_r0crqt    is there any documentation on the upgrade path?
12:51 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt: there is somewhere
12:51 libsysguy     somebody may be able to find it faster than I can
12:51 * libsysguy   really only messes with git installs
12:52 mib_r0crqt    i see
12:52 libsysguy     if you download the latest version there should be an upgrade file in there
12:52 mib_r0crqt    well ....
12:52 libsysguy     what have you done to your 3.8.0 install
12:52 mib_r0crqt    i did download it just this morning
12:52 libsysguy     ok, do you see the upgrade file in there
12:52 kyleh__       does anyone know the state of that mobile opac that was done with pure css? Has anyone heard from those people in a while?
12:52 mib_r0crqt    i saw the normal install-debian and readme-debian
12:52 clrh          kyleh__: we did something
12:52 mib_r0crqt    but nothing on upgrading
12:53 libsysguy     damn
12:53 clrh          kylemhall: I can find something somewhere :)
12:53 libsysguy     people that do upgrade doc…where are you :p
12:53 * Waylon      idly wonders what a 100% jquery dynamic update koha would be like.
12:53 kylemhall     clrh: thanks! I really hope we get a patch for that soon!
12:54 magnuse       upstreaming++ ;-)
12:54 Waylon        long way from me doing that magnuse
12:54 clrh          magnuse: signoffing++
12:55 clrh          we are doing everyday upstreaming...
12:55 libsysguy     hey mib_r0crqt I have been thinking about it
12:55 libsysguy     if you want to test
12:55 libsysguy     installing koha from packages would cause you far less heartache
12:55 mib_r0crqt    ?
12:55 mib_r0crqt    using the git method?
12:56 mib_r0crqt    i actually liked figuring out the tar ball method
12:56 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt: no you can actually use apt to install koha
12:56 libsysguy     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Moving_an_installation_from_a_regular_install_to_the_Debian_packages
12:56 magnuse       clrh: i didn't say you were'nt, i think? ;-)
12:56 jcamins       mib_r0crqt: look at INSTALL.debian.
12:56 * libsysguy   did tarball at first too
12:56 jcamins       mib_r0crqt: but better would be to just switch to packages.
12:56 jcamins       suffering--
12:56 jcamins       packages++
12:56 libsysguy     man that's two right answers for me today
12:57 libsysguy     im on a roll :p
12:57 jcamins       :)
12:57 libsysguy     i think the wiki link has a way to update from tarball to packages
12:57 mib_r0crqt    i noticed it mentioned the .deb package for koha
12:57 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt: yeah that would be the easiest way
12:57 mib_r0crqt    but it was so far from what i did for 3.8.0 ...
12:58 mib_r0crqt    i'll check it out soon
12:58 libsysguy     ok
12:59 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt: I have 2 weeks off after today if you want some help
12:59 libsysguy     we can meet up somewhere and I can help you out
12:59 jcamins       mib_r0crqt: and libsysguy doesn't really get this whole "vacation" thing.
12:59 jcamins       Clearly.
12:59 mib_r0crqt    hey you know libsysguy ... everything i'm doing is for personal satisfaction
13:00 libsysguy     haha well thats cool too
13:00 libsysguy     thats why I do development for Koha
13:00 jcamins       He's going from a job where he installs Koha for one library to a job where he installs Koha for a lot of libraries, and in between he'd like to install Koha!
13:00 mib_r0crqt    some support company is going to host, install, configure, and support us in the end
13:00 libsysguy     I don't really do much development for UT
13:00 libsysguy     oh
13:00 libsysguy     well I'd still be happy to help you set it up so you can learn
13:00 * libsysguy   is all about the learning
13:00 * jcamins     too.
13:00 magnuse       libsysguy++
13:01 mib_r0crqt    i'm here from 6AM to about 2PM if you want to swing by :)
13:01 libsysguy     will you be there at that time tomorrow?
13:01 mib_r0crqt    i'm sure you being local would influence the support company selection
13:01 libsysguy     today is my last day so I kind of have to be here :-/
13:01 mib_r0crqt    yeah sure
13:01 mib_r0crqt    mon-fri
13:01 * jcamins     is working on modifying the sandbox scripts into teaching tools for his clients.
13:02 libsysguy     cool
13:02 libsysguy     I can come by TJC tomorrow during that window
13:02 magnuse       jcamins++
13:02 jcamins       Once I have figured out how to get the scripts working post-modification, I'll share them. :)
13:02 mib_r0crqt    sounds great, i'l if we can get that free lunch :)
13:02 libsysguy     sweet
13:03 * libsysguy   is all about free lunch
13:03 mib_r0crqt    yep, and salary doubling
13:03 * jcamins     scurries to get into the city.
13:04 cait          reading back: congratulatoins libsysguy :)
13:04 magnuse       yeah, congrats to libsysguy and bywater!
13:04 libsysguy     lol thanks guys :)
13:04 cait          what is your new job title?
13:04 libsysguy     umm
13:04 * libsysguy   thinks
13:04 libsysguy     I am pretty sure it is the same as Kyleh
13:04 libsysguy     Development Support Specialist
13:05 * libsysguy   is a specialist :p
13:05 magnuse       sounds good, doesn't it?
13:05 cait          yeah :)
13:05 libsysguy     i feel important now
13:05 * cait        is only "librarian" heh
13:05 cait          ok, time to fill up the fridge
13:05 cait          :)
13:05 libsysguy     no longer am I a Hardware support technician :p
13:05 cait          bbl
13:05 * magnuse     is free to choose his own title(s) ;-)
13:05 cait          magnuse: world emperor?
13:05 libsysguy     magnuse you are lucky lol
13:05 magnuse       hehe
13:06 libsysguy     magnuse-kahn
13:06 libsysguy     ok have to drive to wok
13:06 libsysguy     work**
13:06 libsysguy     bbl
13:06 cait          I think we need something royal
13:06 cait          because then we can call the little one a prince
13:06 cait          so....
13:06 cait          king of libriotech? ;)
13:06 magnuse       yay!
13:06 cait          and infant leonard
13:07 magnuse       kia ora sekjal!
13:07 sekjal        morning, magnuse!
13:09 cait          hi sekjal
13:09 sekjal        hi, cait!
13:10 cait          :)
13:13 cait          ok, now gone - brb
13:19 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.6.x build #49: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/49/
13:19 jenkins_koha  * adrien.saurat: Bug 8025: corrects the return of a zero value for authorised values
13:19 jenkins_koha  * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3413: Checkboxes for new subfields not saving correctly
13:19 jenkins_koha  * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 2399: All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8025 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Patron attribute not selected if value is zero
13:19 jenkins_koha  * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 2399: Follow up removing MySQLisms from ru-RU and uk-UA sample files
13:19 jenkins_koha  * colin.campbell: Bug 7987 [SIGNED-OFF] Fix typo in circulation template
13:19 jenkins_koha  * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7929 - Duplicate id "availability" on XSLT result page
13:19 jenkins_koha  * magnus: Bug 8008 - Fix typo in man page for koha-create
13:19 jenkins_koha  * stephane.delaune: bug 7990 - styl= in aqplan.tt
13:19 jenkins_koha  * koha.sekjal: Bug 7820: Add missing Debian packages
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3413 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , repeatable tickbox not sticking 1st time round
13:19 jenkins_koha  * jonathan.druart: Bug 7820: Followup: Add missing Debian packages
13:19 jenkins_koha  * paul.poulain: Welcoming Lyon 3 team as a committer, and adding 3.8.0 release
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one
13:19 jenkins_koha  * jcamins: Bug 8022: Permissions test doesn't check all languages
13:19 jenkins_koha  * dpavlin: Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example
13:19 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bug 7213 : Follow up fixing license information
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7987 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Typo causing invalid markup in circulation.tt
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7929 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Duplicate id "availability" on XSLT result page
13:19 jenkins_koha  * kyle: Bug 7722 - Insidious problem with searching
13:19 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix typo in man page for koha-create
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7990 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Stable , bad html attribute into aqplan.tt : styl= insted of style=
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Missing packages from install_misc/debian.packages
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Permissions test doesn't check all languages
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7722 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Insidious problem with searching
13:19 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
13:20 jenkins_koha  Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:21 pastebot      "nengard" at pasted "looking for (hopefully easy) report help if anyone can give me a pointer that would be great" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/451
13:24 sekjal        nengard:  I think you need to move the "count(distinct m.biblionumber) > 1)" out of WHERE and into HAVING
13:25 nengard       OH YES!!! I always make that mistake
13:25 nengard       and you always correct me
13:25 nengard       THANK YOU
13:26 ago43         sekjal ++
13:26 nengard       Wait, where does the having go? I put it after the where and still get the error
13:26 nengard       :(
13:27 sekjal        nengard:  HAVING after WHERE, with no GROUP BY
13:28 pastebot      "sekjal" at pasted "for nengard" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/452
13:28 nengard       thank you so much
13:28 nengard       I never learned HAVING (in case you didn't notice) and so I never think about it
13:28 nengard       ago43 here's your report: http://paste.koha-community.org/452
13:28 sekjal        you're welcome; no guarantee it's the data you're looking for, but it doesnt' return an error on my system, at least
13:29 nengard       hehe
13:29 nengard       ago43 will tell us if it's right
13:29 nengard       but I too ran it with no errors
13:31 ago43         looks like it worked!  no errors.
13:31 ago43         only one result, but I think that is correct.
13:32 ago43         many pluses your way, sekjal!
13:33 sekjal        thanks, ago43, glad I could help
13:34 mbalmer       ola koha
13:34 sekjal        apparently, WHERE is applied before GROUP BY or ORDER BY, while HAVING is applied after
13:35 sekjal        so any conditionals you want to on an aggregate function line SUM() or COUNT() need to be in HAVING, because that information won't exist yet when WHERE is executed
13:50 cait          back
13:55 * wizzyrea    waves
13:57 cait          :)
14:04 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7952' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84ec97123be5fb5a666b8b7c5cd6eefd4ef3060b> / Bug 7952 - followup to fix t/Creators.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e5f68fdcb19eacae0a1852ac14e4b5bb5f3cf30> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5337' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb
14:04 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.6.x build #50: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/50/
14:04 jenkins_koha  jcamins: Release Notes for 14 Jun 2012 12:33:48 Z
14:05 jenkins_koha  Starting build #756 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 5 days 4 hr ago)
14:13 jcamins       sekjal: you can pretty much just thing of HAVING as "WHERE for aggregate functions."
14:13 jcamins       :)
14:15 jcamins       *think of
14:16 jcamins       That's generally close enough to correct to enable you to write working queries.
14:17 jcamins       nengard: see my comment to sekjal. I didn't read far enough back.
14:18 nengard       cool
14:18 nengard       thanks
14:19 jcamins       Yay!
14:19 jcamins       3.6.x is stable!
14:19 wizzyrea      \o/
14:20 * jcamins     wasn't actually worried.
14:20 cait          me neither
14:20 cait          trusting in you :)
14:36 * jcamins     needs to enlist help to record common Koha tasks.
14:36 cait          http recorder recording? :)
14:38 jcamins       Yup.
14:41 jcamins       I've decided to have a test environment for release preparation that does tests interaction steps, too.
14:42 jcamins       Creating a user, checking out books, etc.
14:42 jcamins       *that tests
14:43 * jcamins     will send out an e-mail requesting assistance and with instructions this evening, probably.
14:44 libsysguy     mib_r0crqt you still around?
14:44 jcamins       Ooh, I bet libsysguy would like to use his vacation to record lots of Koha tasks.
14:44 sekjal        jcamins++
14:44 libsysguy     ...
14:44 libsysguy     jcamins ಠ_ಠ
14:45 jcamins       libsysguy: we're going to be using HTTP::Recorder and Test::WWW::Mechanize to test common Koha tasks.
14:45 jcamins       And by "we" I mean, I'll be doing the testing, you'll be doing the recording. :P
14:45 jcamins       (you can test too if you'd like, of course)
14:46 libsysguy     haha thats funny jcamins because I was just looking into using WWW::Mechanize to do testing
14:46 libsysguy     and I was going to code it and let you enter the recordings :p
14:46 jcamins       It is so freaking awesome.
14:46 libsysguy     it is
14:46 libsysguy     although I have never coded for it
14:46 jcamins       I don't know how I lived without WWW::Mechanize, now that I know about it.
14:47 jcamins       https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools/blob/master/httprecorder.pl
14:47 jcamins       https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools/blob/master/install-fresh.pl
14:47 libsysguy     yeah its pretty sweet right
14:48 libsysguy     we could use the cralwer I wrote to do link checking and software errors
14:48 libsysguy     crawler**
14:49 jcamins       libsysguy: oooh, clever.
14:49 jcamins       libsysguy: you should submit a patch with t/www/crawl_opac.t and t/www/crawl_intranet.t
14:50 libsysguy     that would be cool
14:50 cait          :)
14:50 libsysguy     I could definitly do that
14:50 cait          automatic_testing++
14:50 cait          jcamins: maybe a wiki page?
14:50 cait          and we need a common starting point
14:51 jcamins       cait: yeah, definitely a wiki page.
14:51 jcamins       The plan is that different people will be able to record different tasks.
14:52 libsysguy     it would be cool if we could translate javascript actions into WW::Mech tasks
14:53 jcamins       Yeah, being able to test Javascript would be pretty incredible, too.
14:53 libsysguy     well i mean record user actions in javascript instead of coding them ourselves
14:53 libsysguy     then push those to Mech actions
14:54 cait          ?
14:55 jcamins       WWW::Mechanize::Firefox.
14:55 jcamins       libsysguy: you didn't follow the first link I shared earlier, did you?
14:55 libsysguy     damn....no skipped straight to 2
14:56 libsysguy     damn it jcamins why do you have to have all the good ideas first
14:56 jcamins       Yeah, link 1 was a script for recording actions. So you just do whatever you want to test, and then save the resulting script.
14:56 cait          libsysguy: because he is way smarter than we are?
14:56 libsysguy     sad but true
14:56 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #756: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/756/
14:56 jenkins_koha  * Chris Cormack: Bug 5337 : Upping the count of the unit tests
14:56 jenkins_koha  * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - followup to fix t/Creators.t
14:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , acq EAN search
14:56 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
14:59 matts         yay ! Pushed !
15:00 jcamins       Hm. When rangi is back home, maybe he can explain why jenkins is unhappy.
15:02 clrh          http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/756/#showFailuresLink ?
15:03 jcamins       clrh: yes, that test passes on my system.
15:03 jcamins       And it doesn't say what it doesn't like.
15:03 clrh          aah :)
15:09 wizzyrea      gotta be seothing about the db
15:10 jcamins       wizzyrea: it's a perlcritic complaint, I suspect I'm missing a perlcritic configuration file or something.
15:10 wizzyrea      oh could be
15:23 jcamins       Ah. If I look in the build output, it tells me what the problem is.
15:24 reiveune      bye
15:24 clrh          jcamins: wich url?
15:31 dpavlin       I have quick question about Bug 8247 -- attached patch is minimal change which fixes it, but I would love to rewrite NewBasket to properly use placeholders in SQL query (instead of string interpolation) and insert everything using singe SQL statement. Would that fit into same bug or should I open another one?
15:32 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8247 blocker, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , adding basket doesn't save basket name, internal or vendor note
15:37 sekjal        dpavlin: from the fix provided, it looks like it should be a separate bug report.
15:38 oleonard      Hi #koha
15:41 drojf         went to a library, could not get the book i wanted because the system was offline. damn non-koha ils
15:42 * oleonard    has heard that it's possible for Koha to go down too ;)
15:42 nengard       hehe
15:43 drojf         oleonard: we got offline circulation
15:43 drojf         they didn#t
15:43 drojf         was a good starter to question their choice of ils though :D
15:43 wizzyrea      :)
15:43 SJeffery      Koha does not go down...it is the fault of the OS
15:44 wizzyrea      or more likely, chinese web crawlers.
15:44 oleonard      Good point SJeffery
15:44 oleonard      ...or MySQL
15:45 SJeffery      lol yes
15:45 clrh          kylemhall: you asked for css and smartphone I completly forget
15:46 jcamins       Additional follow-up on bug 8092.
15:46 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework
15:46 jcamins       I don't know how to test it, since I can't replicate the problem.
15:47 clrh          kylemhall: can't do more than: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/unilim/ft/MT6838
15:47 clrh          not submitted and not a priority for the moment
15:48 clrh          (but listed... https://docs.google.com/a/biblibre.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZF5Y_c4pIxdHE3S0RXMjJqSzZ3d1BVUmxpRnRVUUE#gid=0)
15:51 jcamins       Patch attached to bug 8092.
15:54 SJeffery      bug 8248 <--there, I submitted it...if someone could test it in FF/Chrome and see what happens.
15:54 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Invalid characters entered in bib record cause 500 error
16:04 jenkins_koha  Starting build #757 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 5 days 6 hr ago)
16:04 huginn        New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8092' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7183a241c4f696c0f7cea9868ee82573328fe98a> / Bug 8092 follow-up: Fix perlcritic violations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=30973197682a38caf54392fd780529fb916de542>
16:52 jcamins       nengard: maximep has a patch about serial prediction. I don't know what it does, but maybe it has something to do with the bug you just reported?
16:52 nengard       okey dokey
16:55 jenkins_koha  Yippie, build fixed!
16:55 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_master build #757: FIXED in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/757/
16:55 jenkins_koha  jcamins: Bug 8092 follow-up: Fix perlcritic violations
16:55 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework
17:34 mveron        Good evening #koha
17:34 cait          bye mveron :)
17:37 * mveron      Waves to cait
18:08 drojf         hello again
18:27 maximep       oh, yeah, koha. I should fix those patches -_-
18:28 cait          hey drojf :)
18:29 drojf         hi cait :)
18:29 cait          how was the unfun job? ;)
18:29 drojf         even less fun then usual
18:30 drojf         sent to get a book, library is offline and cant give out books. copied the article somewhere else, went back, we already had the article, but it was labelled wrong :(
18:31 drojf         but nagged the offline library about koha ;)
18:31 drojf         cait: we should have little flyers for the koha part of the wildau thing
18:32 drojf         or at least i should, you are not really in berlin/brandenburg
18:35 cait          :)
18:35 cait          you should
18:35 cait          and I have a library in berlin ;)
18:35 cait          or we have
18:35 drojf         yes but you dont usually visit libraries here that you could give a flyer to
18:36 drojf         also your berlin library hides ours on the libwebcat map :P
18:36 cait          lol
18:36 cait          I am sorry :)
18:36 cait          this is soo good - just cut some of my fudge
18:36 * cait        puts a little plate of fudge into #koha ;)
18:37 * drojf       grabs a piece
18:37 cait          I have to get back to that store somehow
18:37 cait          wonder if they ship?
18:38 drojf         no new bids for kohacon. i guess it will stay that way
18:38 drojf         i bet they do ship
18:38 drojf         already found a supply for the heather ale here too
18:38 cait          hehe
18:38 cait          will be hard to eat that in small amounts. so good.
18:39 drojf         take a piece and lock it away with a timer until next day :D
18:39 cait          I fear I don't have a safe with timer around :)
18:40 drojf         i bet you can order it from the fudge house
18:40 cait          it was a smaller store
18:40 cait          that's why I am wondering
18:40 cait          somewhere around grassmarket
18:41 mbalmer       ola
18:41 drojf         hi mbalmer
18:42 mbalmer       hi mirko!
18:42 * cait        waves
18:42 * mbalmer     waves back
18:42 * mveron      Waves to German speaking Kohanians
18:42 drojf         hi mveron
18:43 mveron        hi drojf
18:43 * cait        missed kohacon
18:43 drojf         its like a german speaking community meeting :D
18:43 cait          hm misses
18:43 cait          yeah, finally there is one :)
18:43 mveron        Great
18:43 mbalmer       wo denn?
18:43 drojf         are there language rules here? probably yes, i dont read much french here
18:44 drojf         mbalmer: na hier
18:44 cait          I think sticking to english mostly is probably more polite :)
18:44 mbalmer       on peut même changer ca, drojf ;)
18:44 cait          there is a french speaking koha channel
18:44 cait          koha-fr I think
18:45 drojf         ah i see
18:45 drojf         they have their own universe already
18:45 mbalmer       if at all a non english language, it should probably be maori anyway....
18:46 drojf         thats true. have to tell my boss to buy some maori teaching books. we only have one cd-rom
18:47 cait          drojf: good idea :)
18:47 cait          how do I sign up for a borrower card at your library?
18:47 mbalmer       apply in maori...
18:47 drojf         you come by and explain why you should be a patron even though you dont study
18:48 cait          I do study
18:48 cait          only at the wrong university
18:48 drojf         [off] we have to be a closed usergroup or how that is expressed in english for copyright reasons, but we dont send people away that want to learn a language and behave
18:49 cait          I could provide my student id for fh dortmund or my staff member card for university of konstanz? :)
18:49 drojf         only berlin brandenburg. but you cant borrow things anyway, only some exceptions for teachers and students with papers or talks to do. but you can learn at our nice place
18:50 cait          hm
18:50 cait          might be a bit impractical then
18:50 drojf         yes i know. its because of the tv recordings
18:56 drojf         oh there is fussball. again.
18:58 * cait        watches cooking shows in english
18:59 * mbalmer     eats and drinks ;)
19:00 cait          dpavlin: have you seen jared's work on chi? :)
19:24 libsysguy     just realized how clever neo_'s nick was
19:25 libsysguy     Mr. Anderson...
19:26 * mveron      says good night to #koha
19:26 cait          good night mveron
19:26 cait          :)
19:26 mveron        :-)
19:27 mbalmer       slacker....
20:13 wizzyrea      wow.
20:14 kathryn       hi wizzyrea :)
20:14 wizzyrea      hi :)
20:14 cait          hi kathryn :)
20:15 * cait        said hi to wizzyrea already
20:15 kathryn       morning cait!
20:15 kathryn       I just saw a "wow" when I arrived :)
20:15 cait          heh
20:16 cait          netsplit, most people got reconnected
20:16 cait          long list
20:20 sekjal        good night, #koha!
20:28 jcamins       Does anyone have a moment to test something for me?
20:28 jcamins       Try enabling OPACAmazonReviews.
20:28 jcamins       Is the end result... icky?
20:30 gml           hi everyone.
20:30 gml           about http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178#c25
20:30 huginn        04Bug 7178: normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Improve order item creation
20:31 gml           "The new display after this patch requires you to click 'Add' at least once"
20:31 gml           What's the "add" they're talking about?
20:31 gml           Where is this "add"?
20:32 jcamins_mib   Wow. My connection is really problematic today.
20:32 cait          gml: are you creating a new order right now?
20:32 cait          in acquisitions?
20:33 cait          and is your AcqCreateItem preference set to "on order"?
20:33 jcamins_mib   gml: what version of Koha are you using?
20:33 cait          because it applies only if that is the case
20:33 gml           yes, I have the quantity=0 in neworderempty when AcqCreateItem = "place an order"
20:34 cait          yes
20:34 cait          click add on the item form above
20:34 cait          there is a small link below the item form
20:34 drojf         see, that IS confusing!
20:34 cait          drojf: I know - but we did not come up with a better idea
20:34 cait          drojf: the thing is, you create items
20:35 cait          starting with one item already would not be less confusing maybe
20:35 cait          not sure
20:35 drojf         its ok once you know it. but i feel less stupid now that im not the only one ;)
20:35 jcamins       Seems tob e 3.6.x-specific.
20:35 cait          nope
20:35 jcamins_mib   Wow.
20:35 jcamins_mib   Talk about lag.
20:35 cait          it's in all versions now
20:35 gml           jcamins_mib: 3.8.0, + the 4 files from http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a81b89357f965953a149c1ba846bbef9db8c2af changed
20:35 jcamins_mib   (I sent that message ten minutes ago)
20:35 jcamins_mib   (about my request fifteen minutes ago for help testing)
20:36 jcamins_mib   Very laggy.
20:36 * jcamins     pokes this _mib fellow.
20:37 jcamins_mib   Guess I'll keep using mibbit while I have several minute key lag.
20:39 jcamins_mib   Hm.
20:39 jcamins_mib   Found the problem.
20:39 jcamins_mib   oleonard's jqueryui update fixed a bunch of markup errors.
20:42 jcamins_mib   Or at least one.
20:44 gml           cait: I'm on /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/neworderempty.pl , and "Item" group is empty
20:44 cait          ah
20:44 cait          have you definded your acq framework correctly?
20:45 gml           I created ACQ framework
20:45 cait          did you click on marc structure
20:45 cait          after you created it?
20:45 cait          and selected a framework for it to be based on?
20:45 cait          It sounds like your field 952 is not setup correctly
20:45 gml           and something like 952 subfield 7 = -1
20:46 gml           how should it be?
20:46 cait          it should show your item fields
20:46 cait          that you want to create for your on order items
20:46 cait          like having on loan set to 'on order'
20:50 gml           I followed this "cookbook" http://wiki.ubc.ca/User:JJU/portfolio/Acquisition_frameworks_guide
20:51 cait          I would suggest starting over
20:51 cait          delete the acq framework
20:52 cait          ah
20:52 cait          hm
20:52 cait          is this a fresh installation?
20:52 cait          maybe you didn't install the standard authorized values
20:53 gml           I installed all demo values (like those libraries Centerville, Fairfield, etc)
20:54 cait          hm
20:54 cait          can you share a screenshot somehow?
20:54 cait          how the acquisition form looks for you?
20:54 gml           how do you people send images here?
20:55 gml           thirdparty webpages?
20:55 drojf         good night #koha
20:56 cait          gml: I think so :( we only have a tool for text
20:58 gml           cait: gimme a few minutes please
20:58 cait          np
20:59 magnuse       g'night #koha
21:04 jenkins_koha  Starting build #51 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:14 oleonard      It's quiet in here. We should have a meeting.
21:15 dpavlin       cait: yes, I'm going through CHI code as we speeak... I think we should add Cache::Memcached::Fast to koha dependecies, since I wasn't able to figure out why CHI modules didn't show up after installation :-)
21:15 cait          oleonard: heh :)
21:16 cait          oleonard: why are you still here?
21:16 cait          isn't it your time to go home ? :)
21:16 dpavlin       @tell mbalmer sorry, try my e-mail I'm not really on IRC at all, it's my hanging irssi mostly :-)
21:16 huginn        dpavlin: Error: I haven't seen mbalmer, I'll let you do the telling.
21:16 oleonard      Working late today cait
21:16 cait          ooh
21:16 * cait        sends cookies
21:17 * oleonard    could use some
21:17 oleonard      dpavlin: Try "@later tell mbalmer..."
21:18 dpavlin       @later tell mbalmer sorry, try my e-mail I'm not really on IRC at all, it's my hanging irssi mostly :-)
21:18 huginn        dpavlin: The operation succeeded.
21:18 dpavlin       oleonard++ I'm IRC newbie :-)
21:18 cait          dpavlin: you should get together with jared probably :) he seems the chi expert right now
21:18 dpavlin       yap, we had irc discussion yesterday while waiting for IRC meeting. My mail to koha-dev is basically better summary from that ;-)
21:19 cait          ah ok
21:19 cait          :)
21:20 jcamins_mib   dpavlin: yeah, I didn't realize that Cache::Memcached::Fast wasn't already a dependency.
21:20 jcamins_mib   It turns out Cache::Memcached can't cope with UTF-8.
21:21 * jcamins_mib feels this is a problem.
21:21 jcamins_mib   oleonard: why are you here this late?
21:21 * jcamins     tries his usual nick for a change.
21:21 jcamins       No keylag at the moment.
21:21 cait          yay :)
21:21 cait          jcaminshe is working late today :P
21:21 oleonard      I was asked to cover for someone at another library today.
21:21 cait          oh
21:22 dpavlin       jcamins: Hope that Cache::Memcached::Fast doesn't have bug 7879 -- not tried yet
21:22 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7879 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Memoize::Memcached two times slower than it should be
21:22 * oleonard    is slumming it on Mibbit on someone else's computer
21:23 cait          dpavlin: how did you watch the life streams?
21:23 cait          for yapc:na?
21:23 wizzyrea      "slumming it"
21:23 jcamins       dpavlin: isn't 7879 memoize-specific?
21:23 cait          I want to, but it is not working :(
21:23 cait          silverlight?
21:24 wizzyrea      yea it uses silverlight
21:24 wizzyrea      boo.
21:24 cait          yeah boo
21:24 cait          I tought I saw a post somewhere today how to avoid silverlight watching those
21:24 cait          but can't find it now
21:25 cait          and even after installing microsoft codecs stuff on my nice linuxy laptop it does not seem to work
21:25 oleonard      Wasn't it a tweet from dpavlin?
21:26 cait          checking :)
21:27 cait          hm
21:27 cait          doesn't look like it
21:27 cait          ah
21:28 cait          http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/vienna-pm/2012-June/003125.html
21:32 cait          http://video.ics.uwex.edu/5952ef59-79c6-4fa9-9374-016bc28f7d2c
21:32 cait          hah
21:32 cait          it works
21:33 * wizzyrea    curses at ipads
21:35 * oleonard    covers the ipads sensitive young ears
21:35 wizzyrea      sensitive. They are cruel taskmasters.
21:38 wizzyrea      hey I see ruth!
21:38 jcamins       wizzyrea: she just showed up at NEKLS?
21:39 wizzyrea      no! she was on the YAPC stream :) briefly
21:39 jcamins       Ah.
21:39 jcamins       I was a little baffled how that could happen.
21:39 bag           yup I just caught her too
21:41 bag           wizzyrea: those were some serious chops on that dude
21:42 wizzyrea      this is very loud lol.
21:43 jcamins       It sure is.
21:43 wizzyrea      oh good, we're starting with holy wars.
21:43 jcamins       :D
21:44 dpavlin       jcamins: or something similar <grin> -- still setting up CHI on plack, bug 7857 got sqeezed before CHI :-)
21:44 huginn        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , database upgrade fails with plack
21:45 dpavlin       jcamins++ for testing plack stuff it really helps
21:46 cait          oh mysql won?
21:46 jcamins       dpavlin: Plack's really cool!
21:46 jcamins       cait: we should get that slide, make it the background on the wiki...
21:46 wizzyrea      wow that is annoying.
21:47 cait          wizzyrea: what?
21:47 cait          the music?
21:47 wizzyrea      lol yes
21:47 cait          or that the people are so small?
21:47 wizzyrea      that too.
21:47 wizzyrea      i am sure it's lovely when it's not breaking speakers.
21:47 wizzyrea      or overloading the inputs.
21:48 cait          not sure
21:48 jenkins_koha  Project Koha_3.6.x build #51: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/51/
21:48 jenkins_koha  jcamins: Fix markup error
21:50 jcamins       dpavlin: I'll point out again that memoize is not a good choice for caching in Koha, since record invalidation can't be done.
21:51 dpavlin       jcamins: i know, i know. I will replace it with compute I promise :-)
21:51 jcamins       *cache invalidation
21:51 jcamins       And that's true whether or not we're using memcached.
21:51 jcamins       It's just even worse when we're using memcached.
21:51 cait          dpavlin: it's so nice - you write something and I can hear your voice talking in my head
21:51 jcamins       :D
21:52 wajasu        whether you configure the z3950 server encoding to be marc-8 or utf-8, does koha support both? or should one set all the z3950 server encodings to utf-8?  does koha translate the marc records to a utf-8?
21:52 dpavlin       wajasu: there is recent bug for that
21:52 jcamins       wajasu: you have to set it to whatever the remote server supports.
21:53 jcamins       If you have an example of a server that supports both (hard to find!), you should sign off on the bug.
21:54 wajasu        ok.  so the installed marc flavour is only a guideline, and thinga are mixed.
21:54 jcamins       UTF-8 and MARC-8 are different character encodings, not MARC formats.
21:54 wajasu        right.
21:54 jcamins       Koha will translate everything to UTF-8 after importing.
21:54 wajasu        thats what i wanted to know.
21:55 jcamins       But you have to get the UTF-8/MARC-8 decision right, or it'll just be ugly.
21:56 wajasu        my user would see black diamonds. so they would change to marc8.  which would the correct things to do correct.
21:56 jcamins       Right.
21:56 dpavlin       It can be even worse: for us marc-8 records from voyager ended up beeing separate character and carron instead of single utf-8 char which was very tricky for editing
21:57 wajasu        maybe we could convert for both options, and if black diamonds appear in one, and not the other, suggest that the encoding be changed in the config.
21:57 jcamins       dpavlin: yeah, Koha needs to have better support for unicode normalization.
21:57 dpavlin       and then our national library moved to aleph and doesn't have public Z39.50 server, so problem solved (for them)
21:57 jcamins       wajasu: the problem is that there's no way to identify what the correct encoding is without looking at it.
21:58 * oleonard    waves goodbye to #koha
22:00 wajasu        thanks.
22:02 * cait        highly recommends whatching the life stream for yapc:na
22:03 bag           go #koha!!!!
22:08 dpavlin       are there any pending Koha::Cache patches for sysprefs and such stuff or can I start?
22:09 jcamins       dpavlin: I've decided I don't like any of the existing patches, so you can start over.
22:09 cait          loö
22:09 cait          lol even
22:09 wajasu        does koha convert to a certain normalization standard ( NFD norm form decomposed, vs NFC norm form composed)?
22:09 cait          my hand fell asleep
22:09 jcamins       wajasu: no. It's a problem.
22:10 cait          jcamins: hm not sure
22:10 jcamins       cait: it's supposed to convert to NFKC, but it doesn't.
22:10 cait          it does not if you say you get utf-8 to begin with
22:10 cait          that's why I get the data from the union catalog in one of the iso....
22:11 jcamins       cait: it doesn't normalize MARC-8 consistently either.
22:11 jcamins       cait: I can get NFKC, NFD, *or* NFC from a MARC-8 record.
22:11 cait          eek
22:11 cait          we should fix that
22:11 jcamins       cait: we should.
22:16 wajasu        when i was writing a program to convert legacy library db to marc and had the option of using some options for normalization, i was looking hard for a guide.  maybe the wiki has it, or else it needs it.
22:16 jcamins       Not yet, that I know of.
22:17 wajasu        my fear is folks can run with bogus transformations for a few years, thinking some bugs exist in the code, while the data is not consistent.
22:21 * jcamins     knows of two libraries that were in that situation.
22:23 wajasu        i did a diacritic fix once, but could not be sure my setup was comparable to a debian install.  thats why i am using a debian VM now.  so as not to bring in some new behavior when patching.
22:24 wajasu        here is a nice bit of info: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl4lib/2009/01/msg2703.html
22:29 * jcamins     invents peanut satay salad dressing.
22:31 cait          yum