Time Nick Message 01:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #52 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 01:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #52: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/52/ 01:54 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 8178 - circ/circulation.pl under plack duplicates checkout rows 01:54 jenkins_koha * sophie.meynieux: Bug 7815 : Order pickup libraries list by name rather than by code 01:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8178 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , circ/circulation.pl under plack duplicates checkout rows 01:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7815 minor, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Order pickup library list by name rather than by code 02:43 Waylon hiya all. the /tmp/sessionlog file, whats it used for? for a 2 server cluster, does /tmp/sessionlog need to be shared, in order for koha to work correctly? 02:58 wajasu The file /tmp/sessionlog contains login and out details. i don't know about how to set up a cluster. Maybe if you have load balancing infront of the koha servers, with session affinity, its ok to use separate ones. 02:59 Waylon session affinity? 02:59 * Waylon is replicating the mysql db 03:00 Waylon so.. should sync the sessionlog file too? 03:00 bag evening 03:00 wajasu somehow, the load balanger/gateway is configured to use something like the user cookie, to determine where the users is working, and routing the reuests to the same server. in that case, the /tmp/sessionlog should be ok. 03:02 Waylon but if thats not true, that each request is evaluated and sent to the current lowest cpu usage, id need to share the sessionlog? 03:04 wajasu correct. but two servers sharing with some sort of file locking/coordination would be in order. i haven't looked at the koha code. maybe if you google koha cluster, you can find a docutmented setup. 03:05 * Waylon is using glusterfsd 03:10 wajasu i thought there was a session table in the database. so if thats shared, maybe your auth is ok. 03:11 Waylon yeah, there is a session table in database 03:11 Waylon so why do we have sessionlog? 06:01 mtj Waylon: are you sure the session-log file is related to Koha? 06:06 mtj oops, looks like it is, sorry... :) 06:07 mtj Waylo,n fyi: /tmp/sessionlog looks safe, its only ever written too... 06:09 mtj so, worst case, the session log might be goofy for a multi-koha server 06:22 francharb moring 06:22 francharb morning 06:32 alex_a bonjour koha 06:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #53 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 06:52 julian_m hello 06:52 wahanui hi, julian_m 06:53 reiveune hello 06:53 wahanui salut, reiveune 06:54 cait hi all :) 06:58 matts hi ! 06:59 cait hi matts :) how are your kittens? glad to have you back or pouting? :) 07:00 Joubu hi all 07:00 matts they weren't pouting at all ! They were all purrrrrrr 07:00 cait lucky :) 07:00 cait hi Joubu! 07:00 matts yay :) 07:09 gaetan_B bonjour #koha 07:12 cait hi gaetan_B :) 07:28 mona in 2.9 version we can n`t fill parameter properly please help me how to fill 07:35 mtj mona: koha.2.9 is veeeey old, why not use koha.3? 07:38 cait mona: mtj is right - we will not be able to help you with this version I fear :( I personally have never seen or used it 07:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #53: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/53/ 07:40 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Adding Shari Perkins as contributor 07:40 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Fixing tabs in docs/history.txt 07:40 jenkins_koha * amit.gupta: Bug 8166 - Adding new currencies & exchange rates 07:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8166 minor, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, Pushed to Stable , Adding new currencies & exchange rates if not fill any field it save blank record 07:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #54 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:49 drojf good morning #koha 08:11 cait morning drojf :) 08:11 drojf moin cait :) 08:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #54: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/54/ 08:31 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 4838 Fix repeated authorities selection 08:31 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 8201: Receive date not passed through correctly 08:31 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8171 - Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html 08:31 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Fix version numbers in modules 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4838 normal, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , Repeated authority headings break biblio record data entry form 08:31 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Module versions bumped pre release 08:31 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin 08:31 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7810 - C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8201 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , can't change receive date 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Fix version numbers in modules and set up a system to keep them up to date 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus 08:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7810 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined 08:33 cait drojf: how is being back? 08:34 drojf alright, but i spent most of it in bed. have to leave for the other office soon, don't really feel like that 08:35 drojf have you adjusted to germany already? 08:52 Waylon mtj, its not a multi-koha server, its a multi-server koha 08:55 cait drojf: not really.. at least started unpacking now 09:08 * drojf detects a lack of full scottish breakfast 09:17 cait clrh++ :) 09:19 clrh cait: again? :) 09:20 cait you deserve lots :) 09:20 cait for the nice writeups on the wiki and ansering mailing list mails :) 09:21 clrh thanks but then thanks to my team a lot too ;) 09:21 cait :) 09:32 * magnuse waves 09:39 drojf hi magnuse 09:39 magnuse kia ora drojf 09:41 cait hi magnuse :) 09:41 magnuse guten tag cait 09:42 cait god dag :) 09:42 magnuse :-) 09:49 mveron Hi everybody 09:51 cait hi mveron :) 09:51 * mveron waves to cait 09:51 mveron gmcharlt: I'd like to update the Wiki regarding Bug 7621, but I do not get a confirmation mail for my account. 09:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Signed Off , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 09:52 mveron gmcharlt: I've been told that you can approve my account manually? 09:52 drojf hi mveron 09:53 * mveron waves to drojf 09:53 mveron ..drojf. Shoud put my glasses 09:53 drojf mveron: did you have a good trip home? 09:54 mveron Yes, I had, but I was very tired... 09:54 drojf i can imagine that. i was, and i had to get up much later 09:55 drojf off to the non-koha office. have a nice day everybody 09:56 * mveron will fetch some couscous with tomato, feta and olives out of his dish washer 09:56 drojf :D 09:56 mveron True! :-) 09:56 drojf mveron++ # special cooking 09:57 mveron Thanks. Dischwasher cooking is spreading all around the world 09:59 cait mveron: that's the magic of koha :) 10:12 matts hey #koha, here are the pics i've taken (and gathered) from kohacon12 : http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/pics 10:25 magnuse yay! 10:36 kyleh just submitted a new patch for bug 8043, needs signoff it anyone is interested. Really simple to test. 10:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 normal, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , today's checkouts are in Previous checkouts in circulation.pl 11:05 * mveron On the way to weekly Koha meeting 11:08 kyleh just testing 11:25 libsysguy so with all the tld's for sale has anybody considered buying .koha for whatever ICANN has them priced at? 11:25 libsysguy i think it is like $25,000 upfront 11:25 libsysguy plus some crazy yearly fee 11:26 neo_ hi 11:26 cait imgine would dev we could get done for that prize 11:26 cait ;) 11:26 cait hi neo_ 11:26 libsysguy haha cait 11:26 libsysguy we could sell the domains off to libraries to make some of the money back :p 11:26 libsysguy uttyler.koha 11:27 libsysguy cait.koha 11:27 neo_ cait, make test , fails for MARC-XML-0.93 11:27 neo_ cait, any idea ? 11:27 drojf koha.koha 11:27 cait libsysguy: libaries are not exactly known to have lots of money to spare ;) 11:27 libsysguy mind = blown 11:27 cait true.koha 11:27 drojf koha-community.koha after some fork takes koha.koha :D 11:28 libsysguy *whistles* 11:28 cait neo_: fist question? 11:28 cait first question? 11:28 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 11:29 jcamins_away Don't use CPAN. 11:29 libsysguy this ^^ 11:29 * libsysguy has his prod server beyond messed up because he used cpan unknowingly 11:30 neo_ cait, i was compiling MARC-XML perl module 11:30 libsysguy sure its sooo easy cpan *package name* 11:30 libsysguy but updates are terrible 11:30 * Waylon managed to get koha running on a two server replicated setup. glusterfsd sharing koha directory, MySQL::Replication sharing data. humming along very nicely. 11:30 neo_ make works fine 11:30 cait neo_: yes, but why :) which os are you using? which versoin of Koha are you installing? 11:30 neo_ but make test fails 11:30 cait and out of interest - where are you located? :) 11:30 Waylon oh.. and zebrasrv lib shared too. 11:30 neo_ CentOS 6.2 11:31 libsysguy oh CentOS might explain your problem 11:31 jcamins neo_: ah, you should seriously consider using Debian. 11:31 neo_ cait, i am now in Kigali, Rwanda 11:31 libsysguy I tried a centos install once 11:31 libsysguy never again 11:31 cait if you can it will make your life tons easier 11:31 Waylon but using it as read only, im reindexing on a server, then copying the resulting set to the glusterfsd and then restarting zebra. yeah, Debian 100% easier 11:31 cait to use debian or ubuntu 11:31 jcamins I don't think anyone has successfully gotten Koha to work on CentOS. 11:31 libsysguy koha on centos…not even once 11:32 Waylon Uh.... my employer had koha on centos working. admittedly its 3.0.1pre2 11:32 neo_ can i go with the perl module install , by skipping make test ? 11:32 neo_ for MARC-XML ? 11:32 libsysguy is there a yum package for that package? 11:33 neo_ no libsysguy 11:33 libsysguy ouch 11:33 neo_ i am packing it as a rpm 11:33 jcamins neo_: you can try. As you've heard, no one has used it. 11:33 libsysguy does it say why it failed 11:33 neo_ downloaded from cpan 11:33 libsysguy yeah, you can try, but you are likely to have a bad time 11:33 jcamins Waylon: 3.0 had fewer dependencies, I think. 11:34 * Waylon nods. 11:34 Waylon we'll upgrade and report our changes eventually. 11:34 cait matts: your url does not work for me :( 11:34 matts really ? 11:35 matts what's the output ? 11:35 cait now it does 11:35 cait it was down a bit earlier... 11:35 libsysguy http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/22023846.jpg 11:35 cait sorry for bothering you :) 11:35 jcamins libsysguy: hehe. 11:35 matts hmm, new subdomain... might have taken some time to reach all dns servers 11:36 cait eek - you got photos of me!! 11:37 libsysguy haha 11:37 libsysguy who did? 11:37 magnuse photos_of_cait++ 11:37 cait hmpf 11:37 * libsysguy has never seen cait 11:38 libsysguy cait you don't even have a photo on your G+ profile :p 11:38 cait there are reasons 11:38 libsysguy :-\ 11:38 magnuse cait likes to be mysterious :-) 11:38 libsysguy cait is the ghost of Koha 11:38 cait I always look dumb on photos 11:39 libsysguy well then just put on some glasses 11:39 neo_ this the error for MARC-XML make test - http://paste.koha-community.org/450 11:41 neo_ anybody have an idea ? 11:42 cait [off] http://pub.veggie.fr/biblibre/pics/index.php?sfpg=MjAxMl8wNl8wNS0xMV9Lb2hhY29uX0VkaW5idXJnaC8qKjk1NjVjZDI3NTZhZTczZDNkYTk2NGJlMjk5MzA1MmVk 11:42 cait try and find me :) 11:43 jcamins neo_: I have no idea how to fix it, but that looks like a pretty major problem, sorry. 11:43 jcamins cait: you look just fine in the group shot. 11:43 libsysguy neo_ im with jcamins 11:43 cait aaw 11:44 * magnuse agrees with jcamins, of course 11:44 cait thx 11:44 neo_ jcamins, can i go ahead with koha installation by skipping MARC-XML make test 11:45 jcamins neo_: you can try, but I would expect lots of problems. 11:45 jcamins Argh! 11:45 jcamins I forgot to sign off when cherry picking. 11:45 jcamins Again. 11:46 neo_ is this a major module for Koha ? 11:46 jcamins Yes. 11:47 magnuse jcamins++ for being human, after all :-) 11:47 jcamins I don't think there is any page that doesn't use MARC::File::XML. 11:47 neo_ thank you jcamins 11:48 jcamins magnuse: thanks. 11:48 neo_ i will try in channel - perl of freenode.net 11:52 Waylon neo_: MARC::File::XML is used for C4->context for config information parsing, which happens in basically every page. 11:53 Waylon Its also used to phrase MARCxml in biblioitems yes? 11:53 jcamins Waylon: yep. 11:53 jcamins You know, the version field in Bugzilla does not work for me. 11:53 Waylon hmm.. bugzilla has a bug? 11:53 * Waylon giggles. 11:54 neo_ Waylon, i have installed koha in a test machine, and koha loads in webpage , now i am trying to install in a production server, so i need to make sure this is not a major issue 11:54 Waylon sorry, just ... couldn't resist. Anyways. I should document my setup sometime and post it in koha devel mailing list eh? 11:54 jcamins Waylon: I mean, it functions properly. 11:54 jcamins Yes please! 11:55 jcamins Waylon: however, as RMaint for 3.6.x, all the version field does is irritate me. 11:55 Waylon hiya mtj. 11:55 Waylon neo_, its a major issue. 11:56 Waylon not having MARC::File::XML installed and working correctly is a show stopper. 11:56 Waylon I believe i had that problem in Centos. 11:57 neo_ no i have installed bypassing MARC-XML make test , by make -i test 11:57 Waylon So we moved to debian, and got a great koha guy to do the initial install, of which i have screen logs somewhere. 11:57 * Waylon sighs. "neo_....... you just broke your system" 11:58 nengard can I get another sign off on bug 8043 - this is one that has been pissing a lot of people off and would love to see it in 3.8.2 (no new strings) 11:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8043 normal, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , today's checkouts are in Previous checkouts in circulation.pl 11:58 Waylon make tests are there for a reason. 11:59 neo_ ok 11:59 Waylon sure, ive bypassed a few in my time, when i know everything is okay, but i never totally ignored them. 11:59 Waylon can't you move to debian? 12:00 neo_ no the client need CentOS , and will get support for 7 years 12:01 neo_ the hardware is Dell PowerEdge T410 12:02 jcamins Based on the test results, there's probably a BIG problem with your LibXML installation. 12:04 Waylon .... neo_..... you using a hosting management company like hostgator? 12:04 neo_ ok, i will check 12:04 neo_ no 12:04 Waylon inhouse? 12:04 neo_ in client's server room 12:04 neo_ physical machine 12:04 Waylon right.... why Centos? 12:05 jcamins I have no idea what the problem might be, or how to fix it. 12:05 neo_ they policy is to use RHEL or CentOS , the sysadmin guys don't have much experience with Debian clones 12:05 * Waylon sighs. 12:06 Waylon join our email list, koha-devel (address on koha-community.org site) and ask for help for Centos. Good luck, because it was a nightmare trying to get it going. 12:06 neo_ https://metacpan.org/release/MARC-XML , says 78 pass and 682 fails 12:07 Waylon yup. so its incredibly difficult to get right. 12:07 Waylon I think you need an exact version of the perl library, and of the underlying OS dependant library. 12:08 kylemhall I think I've found a problem caused by the patch for bug 7444. circulation.pl now only shows dates instead of date/time for due dates. 12:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus 12:08 neo_ i have perl-XML-LibXML-1.70-5.el6.x86_64 installed 12:09 neo_ jcamins, is the version required 12:09 neo_ i am trying to install koha 3.8.1 latest 12:10 jcamins neo_: the version should be fine, but clearly there's a problem with LibXML. 12:10 neo_ ok 12:17 paul_p limesurvey++ !!! 12:18 paul_p (except maybe it's a little bit close to another lime... 12:18 jcamins @later tell eythian Could you please upload a package for libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl to the oldstable dist on debian.koha-community.org? 12:18 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 12:25 nengard paul_p glad you like that idea :) 12:25 nengard I love limesurvey!!! 12:32 jcamins Could someone please do a git fetch and confirm that 3.6.x was updated? 12:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:36 jcamins Okay, jenkins says it has been. 12:36 libsysguy thank you jenkins 12:39 jcamins fredericd++ 12:42 samuel hi everybody 12:42 mib_r0crqt I've a basic newguy question concerning upgrading 12:42 mib_r0crqt alo Samuel 12:43 libsysguy hey where can I go to update my email for the devel list and the patches list, I guess bugzilla also 12:43 mib_r0crqt I've only recently install Koha 3.8.0, is there an easy way to move to Koha 3.8.1 short of just basically re-installing Koha at the 3.8.1 version? 12:43 libsysguy today is my last day at UT Tyler 12:44 mib_r0crqt where u going libsysguy? 12:44 libsysguy bywater :) 12:44 Waylon cool. 12:44 libsysguy yeah I am pretty pumped about it 12:44 mib_r0crqt we've never met, but we almost did :) 12:44 samuel hi libsysguy 12:44 libsysguy almost mib_r0crqt? 12:44 libsysguy hey samuel 12:45 mib_r0crqt that's great move for you, and i hope more money 12:45 libsysguy samuel how goes the ldap stuff? 12:45 mib_r0crqt yes, almost, i'm the library automation technician at TJC 12:45 libsysguy oh hey…is it John IRL? 12:46 libsysguy I was so hoping to get to meet up with you and the director at some point 12:46 mib_r0crqt the librarians here wanted to like buy us lunch to introduce us 12:46 * Waylon is currently having a hard time with old koha 2.0.0pre2, no real support from koha community because of version advances.... and no other coders in my employers company. So.. im envious of you libsysguy 12:46 mib_r0crqt yes, i'm John 12:46 libsysguy yeah, how are we still missing out on free lunch 12:46 samuel i've not many worked on it since tuesday. I will see tomorrow but thank you for your help, it's on the good way 12:47 mib_r0crqt well, they are still looking at vendors for support 12:47 mib_r0crqt bywater may make the cut 12:47 jcamins mib_r0crqt: it's very easy. Just install 3.8.1 over your current install, and it will automatically upgrade. 12:47 libsysguy Waylon, are you trying ot upgrade? 12:48 Waylon yeah libsysguy .... lots of mods and ungitted patches to deal with. 12:48 Waylon so is a long road. 12:48 * libsysguy feels your pain Waylon 12:48 mib_r0crqt from what version and to what version? 12:48 libsysguy i Waylon I tried to do customizations in the code at first 12:49 libsysguy mistake, and I paid for them 12:49 Waylon from koha 2.0.0pre2 heavily modded to whatever is most well supported. 12:49 libsysguy did you use git at all Waylon? 12:49 Waylon wasn't me that modded it. 12:49 libsysguy oh 12:49 libsysguy ouch 12:49 mib_r0crqt i'm looking at moving from 3.8.0 to 3.8.1 for the sake of the bug fixes 12:50 Waylon can't find a git version because they cherrypicked patches from koha trunk. 12:50 libsysguy mib_r0crqt: did you check out from git? or did you download and unzip? 12:50 mib_r0crqt I've only recently install Koha 3.8.0, is there an easy way to move to Koha 3.8.1 short of just basically re-installing Koha at the 3.8.1 version? 12:50 wahanui i already had it that way, mib_r0crqt. 12:50 libsysguy sweet baby jesus Waylon…you are in a bad place 12:50 Waylon yup. 12:50 libsysguy mib_r0crqt: there is an upgrade path 12:50 mib_r0crqt i did it from the tar ball 12:51 Waylon hell.. if i knew what i was getting myself into, i might not of got the job. 12:51 mib_r0crqt is there any documentation on the upgrade path? 12:51 libsysguy mib_r0crqt: there is somewhere 12:51 libsysguy somebody may be able to find it faster than I can 12:51 * libsysguy really only messes with git installs 12:52 mib_r0crqt i see 12:52 libsysguy if you download the latest version there should be an upgrade file in there 12:52 mib_r0crqt well .... 12:52 libsysguy what have you done to your 3.8.0 install 12:52 mib_r0crqt i did download it just this morning 12:52 libsysguy ok, do you see the upgrade file in there 12:52 kyleh__ does anyone know the state of that mobile opac that was done with pure css? Has anyone heard from those people in a while? 12:52 mib_r0crqt i saw the normal install-debian and readme-debian 12:52 clrh kyleh__: we did something 12:52 mib_r0crqt but nothing on upgrading 12:53 libsysguy damn 12:53 clrh kylemhall: I can find something somewhere :) 12:53 libsysguy people that do upgrade doc…where are you :p 12:53 * Waylon idly wonders what a 100% jquery dynamic update koha would be like. 12:53 kylemhall clrh: thanks! I really hope we get a patch for that soon! 12:54 magnuse upstreaming++ ;-) 12:54 Waylon long way from me doing that magnuse 12:54 clrh magnuse: signoffing++ 12:55 clrh we are doing everyday upstreaming... 12:55 libsysguy hey mib_r0crqt I have been thinking about it 12:55 libsysguy if you want to test 12:55 libsysguy installing koha from packages would cause you far less heartache 12:55 mib_r0crqt ? 12:55 mib_r0crqt using the git method? 12:56 mib_r0crqt i actually liked figuring out the tar ball method 12:56 libsysguy mib_r0crqt: no you can actually use apt to install koha 12:56 libsysguy http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Moving_an_installation_from_a_regular_install_to_the_Debian_packages 12:56 magnuse clrh: i didn't say you were'nt, i think? ;-) 12:56 jcamins mib_r0crqt: look at INSTALL.debian. 12:56 * libsysguy did tarball at first too 12:56 jcamins mib_r0crqt: but better would be to just switch to packages. 12:56 jcamins suffering-- 12:56 jcamins packages++ 12:56 libsysguy man that's two right answers for me today 12:57 libsysguy im on a roll :p 12:57 jcamins :) 12:57 libsysguy i think the wiki link has a way to update from tarball to packages 12:57 mib_r0crqt i noticed it mentioned the .deb package for koha 12:57 libsysguy mib_r0crqt: yeah that would be the easiest way 12:57 mib_r0crqt but it was so far from what i did for 3.8.0 ... 12:58 mib_r0crqt i'll check it out soon 12:58 libsysguy ok 12:59 libsysguy mib_r0crqt: I have 2 weeks off after today if you want some help 12:59 libsysguy we can meet up somewhere and I can help you out 12:59 jcamins mib_r0crqt: and libsysguy doesn't really get this whole "vacation" thing. 12:59 jcamins Clearly. 12:59 mib_r0crqt hey you know libsysguy ... everything i'm doing is for personal satisfaction 13:00 libsysguy haha well thats cool too 13:00 libsysguy thats why I do development for Koha 13:00 jcamins He's going from a job where he installs Koha for one library to a job where he installs Koha for a lot of libraries, and in between he'd like to install Koha! 13:00 mib_r0crqt some support company is going to host, install, configure, and support us in the end 13:00 libsysguy I don't really do much development for UT 13:00 libsysguy oh 13:00 libsysguy well I'd still be happy to help you set it up so you can learn 13:00 * libsysguy is all about the learning 13:00 * jcamins too. 13:00 magnuse libsysguy++ 13:01 mib_r0crqt i'm here from 6AM to about 2PM if you want to swing by :) 13:01 libsysguy will you be there at that time tomorrow? 13:01 mib_r0crqt i'm sure you being local would influence the support company selection 13:01 libsysguy today is my last day so I kind of have to be here :-/ 13:01 mib_r0crqt yeah sure 13:01 mib_r0crqt mon-fri 13:01 * jcamins is working on modifying the sandbox scripts into teaching tools for his clients. 13:02 libsysguy cool 13:02 libsysguy I can come by TJC tomorrow during that window 13:02 magnuse jcamins++ 13:02 jcamins Once I have figured out how to get the scripts working post-modification, I'll share them. :) 13:02 mib_r0crqt sounds great, i'l if we can get that free lunch :) 13:02 libsysguy sweet 13:03 * libsysguy is all about free lunch 13:03 mib_r0crqt yep, and salary doubling 13:03 * jcamins scurries to get into the city. 13:04 cait reading back: congratulatoins libsysguy :) 13:04 magnuse yeah, congrats to libsysguy and bywater! 13:04 libsysguy lol thanks guys :) 13:04 cait what is your new job title? 13:04 libsysguy umm 13:04 * libsysguy thinks 13:04 libsysguy I am pretty sure it is the same as Kyleh 13:04 libsysguy Development Support Specialist 13:05 * libsysguy is a specialist :p 13:05 magnuse sounds good, doesn't it? 13:05 cait yeah :) 13:05 libsysguy i feel important now 13:05 * cait is only "librarian" heh 13:05 cait ok, time to fill up the fridge 13:05 cait :) 13:05 libsysguy no longer am I a Hardware support technician :p 13:05 cait bbl 13:05 * magnuse is free to choose his own title(s) ;-) 13:05 cait magnuse: world emperor? 13:05 libsysguy magnuse you are lucky lol 13:05 magnuse hehe 13:06 libsysguy magnuse-kahn 13:06 libsysguy ok have to drive to wok 13:06 libsysguy work** 13:06 libsysguy bbl 13:06 cait I think we need something royal 13:06 cait because then we can call the little one a prince 13:06 cait so.... 13:06 cait king of libriotech? ;) 13:06 magnuse yay! 13:06 cait and infant leonard 13:07 magnuse kia ora sekjal! 13:07 sekjal morning, magnuse! 13:09 cait hi sekjal 13:09 sekjal hi, cait! 13:10 cait :) 13:13 cait ok, now gone - brb 13:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #49: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/49/ 13:19 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8025: corrects the return of a zero value for authorised values 13:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3413: Checkboxes for new subfields not saving correctly 13:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 2399: All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8025 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Patron attribute not selected if value is zero 13:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 2399: Follow up removing MySQLisms from ru-RU and uk-UA sample files 13:19 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7987 [SIGNED-OFF] Fix typo in circulation template 13:19 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7929 - Duplicate id "availability" on XSLT result page 13:19 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 8008 - Fix typo in man page for koha-create 13:19 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: bug 7990 - styl= in aqplan.tt 13:19 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 7820: Add missing Debian packages 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3413 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , repeatable tickbox not sticking 1st time round 13:19 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7820: Followup: Add missing Debian packages 13:19 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcoming Lyon 3 team as a committer, and adding 3.8.0 release 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one 13:19 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8022: Permissions test doesn't check all languages 13:19 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7213 - simple /svc/ HTTP example 13:19 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7213 : Follow up fixing license information 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7987 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Typo causing invalid markup in circulation.tt 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7929 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Duplicate id "availability" on XSLT result page 13:19 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7722 - Insidious problem with searching 13:19 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix typo in man page for koha-create 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7990 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Stable , bad html attribute into aqplan.tt : styl= insted of style= 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7820 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Missing packages from install_misc/debian.packages 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8022 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Permissions test doesn't check all languages 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7722 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Insidious problem with searching 13:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules 13:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:21 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "looking for (hopefully easy) report help if anyone can give me a pointer that would be great" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/451 13:24 sekjal nengard: I think you need to move the "count(distinct m.biblionumber) > 1)" out of WHERE and into HAVING 13:25 nengard OH YES!!! I always make that mistake 13:25 nengard and you always correct me 13:25 nengard THANK YOU 13:26 ago43 sekjal ++ 13:26 nengard Wait, where does the having go? I put it after the where and still get the error 13:26 nengard :( 13:27 sekjal nengard: HAVING after WHERE, with no GROUP BY 13:28 pastebot "sekjal" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for nengard" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/452 13:28 nengard thank you so much 13:28 nengard I never learned HAVING (in case you didn't notice) and so I never think about it 13:28 nengard ago43 here's your report: http://paste.koha-community.org/452 13:28 sekjal you're welcome; no guarantee it's the data you're looking for, but it doesnt' return an error on my system, at least 13:29 nengard hehe 13:29 nengard ago43 will tell us if it's right 13:29 nengard but I too ran it with no errors 13:31 ago43 looks like it worked! no errors. 13:31 ago43 only one result, but I think that is correct. 13:32 ago43 many pluses your way, sekjal! 13:33 sekjal thanks, ago43, glad I could help 13:34 mbalmer ola koha 13:34 sekjal apparently, WHERE is applied before GROUP BY or ORDER BY, while HAVING is applied after 13:35 sekjal so any conditionals you want to on an aggregate function line SUM() or COUNT() need to be in HAVING, because that information won't exist yet when WHERE is executed 13:50 cait back 13:55 * wizzyrea waves 13:57 cait :) 14:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7952' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=84ec97123be5fb5a666b8b7c5cd6eefd4ef3060b> / Bug 7952 - followup to fix t/Creators.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e5f68fdcb19eacae0a1852ac14e4b5bb5f3cf30> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5337' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bb 14:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #50: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/50/ 14:04 jenkins_koha jcamins: Release Notes for 3.06.06.000 14 Jun 2012 12:33:48 Z 14:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #756 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 5 days 4 hr ago) 14:13 jcamins sekjal: you can pretty much just thing of HAVING as "WHERE for aggregate functions." 14:13 jcamins :) 14:15 jcamins *think of 14:16 jcamins That's generally close enough to correct to enable you to write working queries. 14:17 jcamins nengard: see my comment to sekjal. I didn't read far enough back. 14:18 nengard cool 14:18 nengard thanks 14:19 jcamins Yay! 14:19 jcamins 3.6.x is stable! 14:19 wizzyrea \o/ 14:20 * jcamins wasn't actually worried. 14:20 cait me neither 14:20 cait trusting in you :) 14:36 * jcamins needs to enlist help to record common Koha tasks. 14:36 cait http recorder recording? :) 14:38 jcamins Yup. 14:41 jcamins I've decided to have a test environment for release preparation that does tests interaction steps, too. 14:42 jcamins Creating a user, checking out books, etc. 14:42 jcamins *that tests 14:43 * jcamins will send out an e-mail requesting assistance and with instructions this evening, probably. 14:44 libsysguy mib_r0crqt you still around? 14:44 jcamins Ooh, I bet libsysguy would like to use his vacation to record lots of Koha tasks. 14:44 sekjal jcamins++ 14:44 libsysguy ... 14:44 libsysguy jcamins ಠ_ಠ14:45 jcamins libsysguy: we're going to be using HTTP::Recorder and Test::WWW::Mechanize to test common Koha tasks. 14:45 jcamins And by "we" I mean, I'll be doing the testing, you'll be doing the recording. :P 14:45 jcamins (you can test too if you'd like, of course) 14:46 libsysguy haha thats funny jcamins because I was just looking into using WWW::Mechanize to do testing 14:46 libsysguy and I was going to code it and let you enter the recordings :p 14:46 jcamins It is so freaking awesome. 14:46 libsysguy it is 14:46 libsysguy although I have never coded for it 14:46 jcamins I don't know how I lived without WWW::Mechanize, now that I know about it. 14:47 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools/blob/master/httprecorder.pl 14:47 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools/blob/master/install-fresh.pl 14:47 libsysguy yeah its pretty sweet right 14:48 libsysguy we could use the cralwer I wrote to do link checking and software errors 14:48 libsysguy crawler** 14:49 jcamins libsysguy: oooh, clever. 14:49 jcamins libsysguy: you should submit a patch with t/www/crawl_opac.t and t/www/crawl_intranet.t 14:50 libsysguy that would be cool 14:50 cait :) 14:50 libsysguy I could definitly do that 14:50 cait automatic_testing++ 14:50 cait jcamins: maybe a wiki page? 14:50 cait and we need a common starting point 14:51 jcamins cait: yeah, definitely a wiki page. 14:51 jcamins The plan is that different people will be able to record different tasks. 14:52 libsysguy it would be cool if we could translate javascript actions into WW::Mech tasks 14:53 jcamins Yeah, being able to test Javascript would be pretty incredible, too. 14:53 libsysguy well i mean record user actions in javascript instead of coding them ourselves 14:53 libsysguy then push those to Mech actions 14:54 cait ? 14:55 jcamins WWW::Mechanize::Firefox. 14:55 jcamins libsysguy: you didn't follow the first link I shared earlier, did you? 14:55 libsysguy damn....no skipped straight to 2 14:56 libsysguy damn it jcamins why do you have to have all the good ideas first 14:56 jcamins Yeah, link 1 was a script for recording actions. So you just do whatever you want to test, and then save the resulting script. 14:56 cait libsysguy: because he is way smarter than we are? 14:56 libsysguy sad but true 14:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #756: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/756/ 14:56 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5337 : Upping the count of the unit tests 14:56 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - followup to fix t/Creators.t 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , acq EAN search 14:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser 14:59 matts yay ! Pushed ! 15:00 jcamins Hm. When rangi is back home, maybe he can explain why jenkins is unhappy. 15:02 clrh http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/756/#showFailuresLink ? 15:03 jcamins clrh: yes, that test passes on my system. 15:03 jcamins And it doesn't say what it doesn't like. 15:03 clrh aah :) 15:09 wizzyrea gotta be seothing about the db 15:10 jcamins wizzyrea: it's a perlcritic complaint, I suspect I'm missing a perlcritic configuration file or something. 15:10 wizzyrea oh could be 15:23 jcamins Ah. If I look in the build output, it tells me what the problem is. 15:24 reiveune bye 15:24 clrh jcamins: wich url? 15:31 dpavlin I have quick question about Bug 8247 -- attached patch is minimal change which fixes it, but I would love to rewrite NewBasket to properly use placeholders in SQL query (instead of string interpolation) and insert everything using singe SQL statement. Would that fit into same bug or should I open another one? 15:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8247 blocker, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , adding basket doesn't save basket name, internal or vendor note 15:37 sekjal dpavlin: from the fix provided, it looks like it should be a separate bug report. 15:38 oleonard Hi #koha 15:41 drojf went to a library, could not get the book i wanted because the system was offline. damn non-koha ils 15:42 * oleonard has heard that it's possible for Koha to go down too ;) 15:42 nengard hehe 15:43 drojf oleonard: we got offline circulation 15:43 drojf they didn#t 15:43 drojf was a good starter to question their choice of ils though :D 15:43 wizzyrea :) 15:43 SJeffery Koha does not go down...it is the fault of the OS 15:44 wizzyrea or more likely, chinese web crawlers. 15:44 oleonard Good point SJeffery 15:44 oleonard ...or MySQL 15:45 SJeffery lol yes 15:45 clrh kylemhall: you asked for css and smartphone I completly forget 15:46 jcamins Additional follow-up on bug 8092. 15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework 15:46 jcamins I don't know how to test it, since I can't replicate the problem. 15:47 clrh kylemhall: can't do more than: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/unilim/ft/MT6838 15:47 clrh not submitted and not a priority for the moment 15:48 clrh (but listed... https://docs.google.com/a/biblibre.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZF5Y_c4pIxdHE3S0RXMjJqSzZ3d1BVUmxpRnRVUUE#gid=0) 15:51 jcamins Patch attached to bug 8092. 15:54 SJeffery bug 8248 <--there, I submitted it...if someone could test it in FF/Chrome and see what happens. 15:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Invalid characters entered in bib record cause 500 error 16:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #757 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 5 days 6 hr ago) 16:04 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8092' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7183a241c4f696c0f7cea9868ee82573328fe98a> / Bug 8092 follow-up: Fix perlcritic violations <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=30973197682a38caf54392fd780529fb916de542> 16:52 jcamins nengard: maximep has a patch about serial prediction. I don't know what it does, but maybe it has something to do with the bug you just reported? 16:52 nengard okey dokey 16:55 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 16:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #757: FIXED in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/757/ 16:55 jenkins_koha jcamins: Bug 8092 follow-up: Fix perlcritic violations 16:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework 17:34 mveron Good evening #koha 17:34 cait bye mveron :) 17:37 * mveron Waves to cait 18:08 drojf hello again 18:27 maximep oh, yeah, koha. I should fix those patches -_- 18:28 cait hey drojf :) 18:29 drojf hi cait :) 18:29 cait how was the unfun job? ;) 18:29 drojf even less fun then usual 18:30 drojf sent to get a book, library is offline and cant give out books. copied the article somewhere else, went back, we already had the article, but it was labelled wrong :( 18:31 drojf but nagged the offline library about koha ;) 18:31 drojf cait: we should have little flyers for the koha part of the wildau thing 18:32 drojf or at least i should, you are not really in berlin/brandenburg 18:35 cait :) 18:35 cait you should 18:35 cait and I have a library in berlin ;) 18:35 cait or we have 18:35 drojf yes but you dont usually visit libraries here that you could give a flyer to 18:36 drojf also your berlin library hides ours on the libwebcat map :P 18:36 cait lol 18:36 cait I am sorry :) 18:36 cait this is soo good - just cut some of my fudge 18:36 * cait puts a little plate of fudge into #koha ;) 18:37 * drojf grabs a piece 18:37 cait I have to get back to that store somehow 18:37 cait wonder if they ship? 18:38 drojf no new bids for kohacon. i guess it will stay that way 18:38 drojf i bet they do ship 18:38 drojf already found a supply for the heather ale here too 18:38 cait hehe 18:38 cait will be hard to eat that in small amounts. so good. 18:39 drojf take a piece and lock it away with a timer until next day :D 18:39 cait I fear I don't have a safe with timer around :) 18:40 drojf i bet you can order it from the fudge house 18:40 cait it was a smaller store 18:40 cait that's why I am wondering 18:40 cait somewhere around grassmarket 18:41 mbalmer ola 18:41 drojf hi mbalmer 18:42 mbalmer hi mirko! 18:42 * cait waves 18:42 * mbalmer waves back 18:42 * mveron Waves to German speaking Kohanians 18:42 drojf hi mveron 18:43 mveron hi drojf 18:43 * cait missed kohacon 18:43 drojf its like a german speaking community meeting :D 18:43 cait hm misses 18:43 cait yeah, finally there is one :) 18:43 mveron Great 18:43 mbalmer wo denn? 18:43 drojf are there language rules here? probably yes, i dont read much french here 18:44 drojf mbalmer: na hier 18:44 cait I think sticking to english mostly is probably more polite :) 18:44 mbalmer on peut même changer ca, drojf ;) 18:44 cait there is a french speaking koha channel 18:44 cait koha-fr I think 18:45 drojf ah i see 18:45 drojf they have their own universe already 18:45 mbalmer if at all a non english language, it should probably be maori anyway.... 18:46 drojf thats true. have to tell my boss to buy some maori teaching books. we only have one cd-rom 18:47 cait drojf: good idea :) 18:47 cait how do I sign up for a borrower card at your library? 18:47 mbalmer apply in maori... 18:47 drojf you come by and explain why you should be a patron even though you dont study 18:48 cait I do study 18:48 cait only at the wrong university 18:48 drojf [off] we have to be a closed usergroup or how that is expressed in english for copyright reasons, but we dont send people away that want to learn a language and behave 18:49 cait I could provide my student id for fh dortmund or my staff member card for university of konstanz? :) 18:49 drojf only berlin brandenburg. but you cant borrow things anyway, only some exceptions for teachers and students with papers or talks to do. but you can learn at our nice place 18:50 cait hm 18:50 cait might be a bit impractical then 18:50 drojf yes i know. its because of the tv recordings 18:56 drojf oh there is fussball. again. 18:58 * cait watches cooking shows in english 18:59 * mbalmer eats and drinks ;) 19:00 cait dpavlin: have you seen jared's work on chi? :) 19:24 libsysguy just realized how clever neo_'s nick was 19:25 libsysguy Mr. Anderson... 19:26 * mveron says good night to #koha 19:26 cait good night mveron 19:26 cait :) 19:26 mveron :-) 19:27 mbalmer slacker.... 20:13 wizzyrea wow. 20:14 kathryn hi wizzyrea :) 20:14 wizzyrea hi :) 20:14 cait hi kathryn :) 20:15 * cait said hi to wizzyrea already 20:15 kathryn morning cait! 20:15 kathryn I just saw a "wow" when I arrived :) 20:15 cait heh 20:16 cait netsplit, most people got reconnected 20:16 cait long list 20:20 sekjal good night, #koha! 20:28 jcamins Does anyone have a moment to test something for me? 20:28 jcamins Try enabling OPACAmazonReviews. 20:28 jcamins Is the end result... icky? 20:30 gml hi everyone. 20:30 gml about http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7178#c25 20:30 huginn 04Bug 7178: normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Improve order item creation 20:31 gml "The new display after this patch requires you to click 'Add' at least once" 20:31 gml What's the "add" they're talking about? 20:31 gml Where is this "add"? 20:32 jcamins_mib Wow. My connection is really problematic today. 20:32 cait gml: are you creating a new order right now? 20:32 cait in acquisitions? 20:33 cait and is your AcqCreateItem preference set to "on order"? 20:33 jcamins_mib gml: what version of Koha are you using? 20:33 cait because it applies only if that is the case 20:33 gml yes, I have the quantity=0 in neworderempty when AcqCreateItem = "place an order" 20:34 cait yes 20:34 cait click add on the item form above 20:34 cait there is a small link below the item form 20:34 drojf see, that IS confusing! 20:34 cait drojf: I know - but we did not come up with a better idea 20:34 cait drojf: the thing is, you create items 20:35 cait starting with one item already would not be less confusing maybe 20:35 cait not sure 20:35 drojf its ok once you know it. but i feel less stupid now that im not the only one ;) 20:35 jcamins Seems tob e 3.6.x-specific. 20:35 cait nope 20:35 jcamins_mib Wow. 20:35 jcamins_mib Talk about lag. 20:35 cait it's in all versions now 20:35 gml jcamins_mib: 3.8.0, + the 4 files from http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a81b89357f965953a149c1ba846bbef9db8c2af changed 20:35 jcamins_mib (I sent that message ten minutes ago) 20:35 jcamins_mib (about my request fifteen minutes ago for help testing) 20:36 jcamins_mib Very laggy. 20:36 * jcamins pokes this _mib fellow. 20:37 jcamins_mib Guess I'll keep using mibbit while I have several minute key lag. 20:39 jcamins_mib Hm. 20:39 jcamins_mib Found the problem. 20:39 jcamins_mib oleonard's jqueryui update fixed a bunch of markup errors. 20:42 jcamins_mib Or at least one. 20:44 gml cait: I'm on /cgi-bin/koha/acqui/neworderempty.pl , and "Item" group is empty 20:44 cait ah 20:44 cait have you definded your acq framework correctly? 20:45 gml I created ACQ framework 20:45 cait did you click on marc structure 20:45 cait after you created it? 20:45 cait and selected a framework for it to be based on? 20:45 cait It sounds like your field 952 is not setup correctly 20:45 gml and something like 952 subfield 7 = -1 20:46 gml how should it be? 20:46 cait it should show your item fields 20:46 cait that you want to create for your on order items 20:46 cait like having on loan set to 'on order' 20:50 gml I followed this "cookbook" http://wiki.ubc.ca/User:JJU/portfolio/Acquisition_frameworks_guide 20:51 cait I would suggest starting over 20:51 cait delete the acq framework 20:52 cait ah 20:52 cait hm 20:52 cait is this a fresh installation? 20:52 cait maybe you didn't install the standard authorized values 20:53 gml I installed all demo values (like those libraries Centerville, Fairfield, etc) 20:54 cait hm 20:54 cait can you share a screenshot somehow? 20:54 cait how the acquisition form looks for you? 20:54 gml how do you people send images here? 20:55 gml thirdparty webpages? 20:55 drojf good night #koha 20:56 cait gml: I think so :( we only have a tool for text 20:58 gml cait: gimme a few minutes please 20:58 cait np 20:59 magnuse g'night #koha 21:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #51 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:14 oleonard It's quiet in here. We should have a meeting. 21:15 dpavlin cait: yes, I'm going through CHI code as we speeak... I think we should add Cache::Memcached::Fast to koha dependecies, since I wasn't able to figure out why CHI modules didn't show up after installation :-) 21:15 cait oleonard: heh :) 21:16 cait oleonard: why are you still here? 21:16 cait isn't it your time to go home ? :) 21:16 dpavlin @tell mbalmer sorry, try my e-mail I'm not really on IRC at all, it's my hanging irssi mostly :-) 21:16 huginn dpavlin: Error: I haven't seen mbalmer, I'll let you do the telling. 21:16 oleonard Working late today cait 21:16 cait ooh 21:16 * cait sends cookies 21:17 * oleonard could use some 21:17 oleonard dpavlin: Try "@later tell mbalmer..." 21:18 dpavlin @later tell mbalmer sorry, try my e-mail I'm not really on IRC at all, it's my hanging irssi mostly :-) 21:18 huginn dpavlin: The operation succeeded. 21:18 dpavlin oleonard++ I'm IRC newbie :-) 21:18 cait dpavlin: you should get together with jared probably :) he seems the chi expert right now 21:18 dpavlin yap, we had irc discussion yesterday while waiting for IRC meeting. My mail to koha-dev is basically better summary from that ;-) 21:19 cait ah ok 21:19 cait :) 21:20 jcamins_mib dpavlin: yeah, I didn't realize that Cache::Memcached::Fast wasn't already a dependency. 21:20 jcamins_mib It turns out Cache::Memcached can't cope with UTF-8. 21:21 * jcamins_mib feels this is a problem. 21:21 jcamins_mib oleonard: why are you here this late? 21:21 * jcamins tries his usual nick for a change. 21:21 jcamins No keylag at the moment. 21:21 cait yay :) 21:21 cait jcaminshe is working late today :P 21:21 oleonard I was asked to cover for someone at another library today. 21:21 cait oh 21:22 dpavlin jcamins: Hope that Cache::Memcached::Fast doesn't have bug 7879 -- not tried yet 21:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7879 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Memoize::Memcached two times slower than it should be 21:22 * oleonard is slumming it on Mibbit on someone else's computer 21:23 cait dpavlin: how did you watch the life streams? 21:23 cait for yapc:na? 21:23 wizzyrea "slumming it" 21:23 jcamins dpavlin: isn't 7879 memoize-specific? 21:23 cait I want to, but it is not working :( 21:23 cait silverlight? 21:24 wizzyrea yea it uses silverlight 21:24 wizzyrea boo. 21:24 cait yeah boo 21:24 cait I tought I saw a post somewhere today how to avoid silverlight watching those 21:24 cait but can't find it now 21:25 cait and even after installing microsoft codecs stuff on my nice linuxy laptop it does not seem to work 21:25 oleonard Wasn't it a tweet from dpavlin? 21:26 cait checking :) 21:27 cait hm 21:27 cait doesn't look like it 21:27 cait ah 21:28 cait http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/vienna-pm/2012-June/003125.html 21:32 cait http://video.ics.uwex.edu/5952ef59-79c6-4fa9-9374-016bc28f7d2c 21:32 cait hah 21:32 cait it works 21:33 * wizzyrea curses at ipads 21:35 * oleonard covers the ipads sensitive young ears 21:35 wizzyrea sensitive. They are cruel taskmasters. 21:38 wizzyrea hey I see ruth! 21:38 jcamins wizzyrea: she just showed up at NEKLS? 21:39 wizzyrea no! she was on the YAPC stream :) briefly 21:39 jcamins Ah. 21:39 jcamins I was a little baffled how that could happen. 21:39 bag yup I just caught her too 21:41 bag wizzyrea: those were some serious chops on that dude 21:42 wizzyrea this is very loud lol. 21:43 jcamins It sure is. 21:43 wizzyrea oh good, we're starting with holy wars. 21:43 jcamins :D 21:44 dpavlin jcamins: or something similar <grin> -- still setting up CHI on plack, bug 7857 got sqeezed before CHI :-) 21:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , database upgrade fails with plack 21:45 dpavlin jcamins++ for testing plack stuff it really helps 21:46 cait oh mysql won? 21:46 jcamins dpavlin: Plack's really cool! 21:46 jcamins cait: we should get that slide, make it the background on the wiki... 21:46 wizzyrea wow that is annoying. 21:47 cait wizzyrea: what? 21:47 cait the music? 21:47 wizzyrea lol yes 21:47 cait or that the people are so small? 21:47 wizzyrea that too. 21:47 wizzyrea i am sure it's lovely when it's not breaking speakers. 21:47 wizzyrea or overloading the inputs. 21:48 cait not sure 21:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #51: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/51/ 21:48 jenkins_koha jcamins: Fix markup error 21:50 jcamins dpavlin: I'll point out again that memoize is not a good choice for caching in Koha, since record invalidation can't be done. 21:51 dpavlin jcamins: i know, i know. I will replace it with compute I promise :-) 21:51 jcamins *cache invalidation 21:51 jcamins And that's true whether or not we're using memcached. 21:51 jcamins It's just even worse when we're using memcached. 21:51 cait dpavlin: it's so nice - you write something and I can hear your voice talking in my head 21:51 jcamins :D 21:52 wajasu whether you configure the z3950 server encoding to be marc-8 or utf-8, does koha support both? or should one set all the z3950 server encodings to utf-8? does koha translate the marc records to a utf-8? 21:52 dpavlin wajasu: there is recent bug for that 21:52 jcamins wajasu: you have to set it to whatever the remote server supports. 21:53 jcamins If you have an example of a server that supports both (hard to find!), you should sign off on the bug. 21:54 wajasu ok. so the installed marc flavour is only a guideline, and thinga are mixed. 21:54 jcamins UTF-8 and MARC-8 are different character encodings, not MARC formats. 21:54 wajasu right. 21:54 jcamins Koha will translate everything to UTF-8 after importing. 21:54 wajasu thats what i wanted to know. 21:55 jcamins But you have to get the UTF-8/MARC-8 decision right, or it'll just be ugly. 21:56 wajasu my user would see black diamonds. so they would change to marc8. which would the correct things to do correct. 21:56 jcamins Right. 21:56 dpavlin It can be even worse: for us marc-8 records from voyager ended up beeing separate character and carron instead of single utf-8 char which was very tricky for editing 21:57 wajasu maybe we could convert for both options, and if black diamonds appear in one, and not the other, suggest that the encoding be changed in the config. 21:57 jcamins dpavlin: yeah, Koha needs to have better support for unicode normalization. 21:57 dpavlin and then our national library moved to aleph and doesn't have public Z39.50 server, so problem solved (for them) 21:57 jcamins wajasu: the problem is that there's no way to identify what the correct encoding is without looking at it. 21:58 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha 22:00 wajasu thanks. 22:02 * cait highly recommends whatching the life stream for yapc:na 22:03 bag go #koha!!!! 22:08 dpavlin are there any pending Koha::Cache patches for sysprefs and such stuff or can I start? 22:09 jcamins dpavlin: I've decided I don't like any of the existing patches, so you can start over. 22:09 cait loö 22:09 cait lol even 22:09 wajasu does koha convert to a certain normalization standard ( NFD norm form decomposed, vs NFC norm form composed)? 22:09 cait my hand fell asleep 22:09 jcamins wajasu: no. It's a problem. 22:10 cait jcamins: hm not sure 22:10 jcamins cait: it's supposed to convert to NFKC, but it doesn't. 22:10 cait it does not if you say you get utf-8 to begin with 22:10 cait that's why I get the data from the union catalog in one of the iso.... 22:11 jcamins cait: it doesn't normalize MARC-8 consistently either. 22:11 jcamins cait: I can get NFKC, NFD, *or* NFC from a MARC-8 record. 22:11 cait eek 22:11 cait we should fix that 22:11 jcamins cait: we should. 22:16 wajasu when i was writing a program to convert legacy library db to marc and had the option of using some options for normalization, i was looking hard for a guide. maybe the wiki has it, or else it needs it. 22:16 jcamins Not yet, that I know of. 22:17 wajasu my fear is folks can run with bogus transformations for a few years, thinking some bugs exist in the code, while the data is not consistent. 22:21 * jcamins knows of two libraries that were in that situation. 22:23 wajasu i did a diacritic fix once, but could not be sure my setup was comparable to a debian install. thats why i am using a debian VM now. so as not to bring in some new behavior when patching. 22:24 wajasu here is a nice bit of info: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl4lib/2009/01/msg2703.html 22:29 * jcamins invents peanut satay salad dressing. 22:31 cait yum