Time Nick Message 03:28 Amit_Gupta heya bag 04:58 bag heya Amit_Gupta 04:58 wahanui Amit_Gupta is from Nucsoft Osslabs 06:48 reiveune hello 06:57 * paul_p and all the BibLibre team now head to the airport... 06:57 paul_p bye bye Edinburgh. 07:03 rangi safe travels 07:04 cait safe travels! 07:04 rangi missing you guys already, will have to try to get to the marseille hackfest 07:04 cait hope to see you all again soon 07:05 * liw missed everyone :( 07:07 cait liw: but hope you are feeling better? 07:07 liw I am feeling better, maybe tomorrow I get to go to work 07:08 cait oh 07:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:36 * Oak waves 07:38 cait hi Oak :) 07:39 Oak hello cait :) 07:39 Oak how long is your stay left in UK? 07:40 cait flying back home tomorrow 07:43 Oak hmm. 07:43 Oak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-zmJ1VCQI 07:44 Oak "Did you ever get the feeling that you wanted to go, But still had the feeling that you wanted to stay." 07:45 cait hm 07:45 cait I don't want to go 07:45 Oak hmm. 08:06 slef blurgh. Car fixed up for free. Got me home. Got lost on the way (road closed) but about as long as I expected (7.5 hours including breaks). 08:08 rangi glad you made it home safe 08:10 cait slef: what rangi said :) 08:10 cait glad it worked out with the car 08:10 cait and thx for a great time in edinburgh :) 08:11 slef well... it was fixed-up, not fixed. Still need to find its bug. 08:12 slef and thanks for the same :) 08:12 slef is anyone else going to be at bibliohack? I've more book bags... 08:14 mtj hows the whisky/beer sampling going at kohacon? 08:15 mbalmer moarning 08:23 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #50: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/50/ 08:23 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 8009: Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl 08:23 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8009: Followup Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl 08:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8009 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Stable , Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl 08:23 jenkins_koha Starting build #51 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 09:13 drojf hi from the airlink bus 09:13 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #51: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/51/ 09:13 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 8217:[SIGNED-OFF] Focus on search box in staff detail page 09:13 drojf byebye edinburgh 09:13 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Updating template for release notes 09:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8217 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , Focus on search box in Detail page (staff search) 09:34 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 09:38 medmondson droif: byeee 10:00 magnuse kia ora #koha! 10:21 mbalmer back @office 10:31 mtompset Greetings, mblamer. 10:31 mtompset Oops.. mbalmer. 10:31 mbalmer heh, common typo ;) 10:32 mtompset Thankfully, otherwise I'd feel really stupid. 10:36 mtompset Where's the office? 10:37 mtompset @wunder MNL 10:37 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (6:00 PM PHT on June 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). 10:37 * mtompset is about to attempt an upgrade for the very first time. 10:51 mbalmer mtompset, in Basel, Switzerland 11:01 mtompset Ah, Interesting. 11:02 mtompset Just waiting for my old data to import before updating. :) 11:03 mbalmer from a Koha point of view, Switzerland is still a developing country. 11:06 * mtompset smirks. 11:06 mtompset Is that a pun on developing? 11:08 mbalmer no, it means that in Switzerland, there aint not much Koha installations yet. 11:09 * mtompset is enlightened. :) 11:09 mtompset That was the other possibility. 11:09 mtompset Here in the Philippines, the National Library has moved to Koha. 11:10 mbalmer nice! 11:10 mtompset It's more of a user role, rather than a participatory one. 11:11 mtompset But it means that our organization's move to use Koha is a good move at least in the local context. :) 11:31 magnuse mtompset: moving to koha is good in any context ;-) 11:34 slef mtompset: Philippine House of Representatives uses Koha too I think. 11:37 jcamins o/ 11:37 * mtompset shrugs. Just trying to get imported data to search before attempting an upgrade for the first time. 11:38 mtompset Greetings, jcamins. 11:38 jcamins Good time-of-day. 11:38 * mtompset grins, "Good reply." 11:45 * mtompset groans, "Oh the pains of a 1.5GHZ netbook running a koha virtual machine. I guess the indexing will take a while." 11:45 mbalmer indexing what? 11:45 wahanui rumour has it indexing is done by Zebra 11:46 mtompset rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v 11:46 jcamins mtompset: yep. 11:46 mtompset supposedly around 39K books. 11:46 mbalmer ah, I see. well, I can only smile and point to my blog post about MARC in SQL ;) 11:47 mtompset I noticed that... but PostGreSQL was mentioned. 11:47 jcamins Unfortunately, having a MARC datatype in postgres won't help with the indexing at all. 11:47 mbalmer indexes 246'814 books just in seconds. 11:47 mtompset What does that mean for MySQL? 11:47 mbalmer it will never be in MySQL. 11:48 mtompset Well, that's a little PostGreSQL-ist. :P 11:48 mbalmer hehe ;) but it's a nice experiment, with still open questions. 11:49 jcamins mbalmer: you patched Zebra to directly access the database? 11:49 mtompset Yes, it is. 11:49 jcamins That seems like a maintenance nightmare. 11:49 mbalmer e.g. I want to find out if PostgreSQL's full text search can be used for title search and such. 11:49 mtompset Actually, if I read it correctly, he patched the DB structure to allow for MARC fields/subfields. 11:49 jcamins mtompset: yeah, that I know. 11:49 mbalmer jcamins, no, I did not do that neither do I plan that. 11:50 jcamins mtompset: however, indexing is dependent on Zebra. 11:50 jcamins mbalmer: very wise. 11:51 mbalmer atm, this is pure research. If at all, it should replace Zebra. But I don't know if it even could (full text search etc..) 11:51 mtompset If this is pure research, try to find a generic solution that works in other back-ends too. :) 11:52 * jcamins will stick with Zebra or solr for indexing. 11:52 mbalmer mtompset, no, it's pg only, sorry. 11:53 jcamins mbalmer doesn't consider any option other than postgres to be worthwhile. 11:54 mbalmer well, I am curious if indexing purely in an SQL DB is doable at all (there are some doubts) 11:54 mbalmer jcamins, please don't put words in my mouth, speak for yourself, I did not say what you just said. 11:55 jcamins mbalmer: apologies. I must have misunderstood. 11:57 mtompset Well, it is obvious that people tend to prefer one backend over another, and some back ends lend themselves better syntactically for experiments, like mbalmer's experiment. 11:58 mtompset Frankly, you wouldn't have me experimenting with PostGreSQL by default. :) 11:58 mtompset Though, depending on the size of your data, and type of data, it may be a better choice than MySQL. :) 11:59 mbalmer as for Koha, the current goal is clear: run on mysql and eventually on postgres, too. so support two DBs. what I do with postgres here, is an experiment. 11:59 jcamins mbalmer: three DBs. Don't forget about sqlite for testing purposes! ;) 11:59 mbalmer mtompset, try storing february, 31-st in a postgres database. it will refuse that, because it is an illegal date. 12:00 mtompset Let me guess, MySQL massages it to a valid date? 12:00 mbalmer sqllite can not be a choice, since it allows only one process to access data, and we have several. 12:00 mbalmer (at least when doing sip) 12:01 jcamins mbalmer: for most testing, one would only need a single process at once. 12:01 mbalmer mtompset, mySQL just accepts it. and I can tell you numerous other glitches. 12:01 jcamins mbalmer: and perhaps there is a similar file-based system that allows multiple databases. 12:01 mbalmer jcamins, true, but then setting up a DB is not really that hard, definitely easier than support a third DB in the code. 12:02 mtompset What about February 29? Does PostGreSQL actually do the leap year checks to validate? 12:02 jcamins DBIx FTW! :D 12:02 mbalmer mtompset, of course. 12:02 mbalmer jcamins, the ORM route is a dead end. 12:02 samuel hi everybody 12:02 mbalmer unless DBIx can be done in a way where it consider specialities of the udnerlying DB. 12:03 jcamins Good... afternoon (?) samuel. 12:03 samuel jcarmin: yes, it's 2 PM in Paris 12:04 mtompset Greetings, Samuel. 12:13 oleonard Hi #koha 12:19 nengard hi oleonard 12:21 mtompset hello, nengard and oleonard. 12:22 mtj mbalmer: whatever DBIx can't do, just dont use DBIx - for that specific task 12:22 mtj ... thats the solution to your DBIx problem 12:29 mtj the important thing to understand with DBIx (and other ORMs?) is... you are not forced to use them for *everything* 12:31 mtj so in a situation where DBIx does not consider specialities of the udnerlying DB... just dont use it for that task :) 12:31 mtompset But what is the point of a mixed solution? Why not implement solutions for each DB backend? 12:31 jcamins mtompset: maintenance. 12:32 mtj ...and use DBIx in the places where it makes easy and clean sense 12:32 mtj yes, code maintenance! 12:33 mtompset Okay, there's merit to the maintenance argument, but will changes to the DB backends be so drastic as to cause more maintenance for individual solutions as compared to a mixed solution? 12:34 magnuse talking of dead ends, MARC is the biggest of them all... 12:34 jcamins mtompset: yes. DBIx will be suitable the vast majority of the time. 12:35 * mtompset chuckles, "You have a point magnuse." 12:36 mtompset Out of curiousity, what MARC are you folks using, UniMarc, or Marc 21? 12:36 jcamins MARC21. 12:36 magnuse NORMARC 12:37 oleonard OLEONARDMARC 12:37 jcamins UNIMARC is mostly limited to France, I think. 12:37 magnuse the horror! 12:37 mtompset You have your own MARC standard, oleonard? 12:37 oleonard I would, but the MAN works tirelessly to keep it down 12:37 magnuse see, us 5 million norwegians are so special, we need our own MARC version, because we have special needs and we understand things that no one else understands 12:37 * oleonard is just kidding 12:38 jcamins magnuse: I think you're very special. ;) 12:38 jcamins How's your little one? 12:39 magnuse jcamins: eating and sleeping and something i won't mention in polite company - all well! 12:39 jcamins Hehe. 12:39 jcamins :) 12:39 samuel yes, unimarc is a french thing. Our ILS use his own unimarc 12:42 * magnuse wishes he had more time to work on semantikoha... 12:42 * jcamins too! 12:43 magnuse i'm thinking of using something like kickstarter to try and raise money for it... 12:43 mtompset Okay, next dumb question... why don't a bunch of international librarians sit down and reach a consensus as to what MARC should be? 12:43 * oleonard wishes he had more time to work on coding guidelines 12:43 jcamins mtompset: they did... that's why we have MARC21 and UNIMARC. 12:44 oleonard mtompset: Yeah, the Americans should sit down and convince everyone they're doing it wrong. We're good at that. 12:44 magnuse mtompset: MARC should be dead - we should spend our energy on it's successor 12:44 mtompset hence my "should be", magnuse. 12:45 magnuse :-) 12:45 jcamins magnuse: I think a kickstarter project is a good idea. 12:46 mtompset But MARC21 and UNIMARC are two different standards. The dream of every programmer is a single, simple standard. 12:46 magnuse jcamins: yay! though kickstarter only works for recipients in the us, so i'm looking for alternatives 12:46 jcamins Andrew S. Tanenbaum said something about that. 12:46 mtompset And magnuse pointed out NORMARC. 12:47 mtompset Ah yes, Tanenbaum... I remember that OS book. ;) 12:47 oleonard It would be nice to have just one MARC standard that everyone hated and hoped would die instead of three. 12:47 * mtompset laughs, "Exactly. Focus the hate." ;) 12:48 jcamins oleonard: four. 12:48 jcamins Don't forget RUSMARC. 12:48 mtompset Nothing about RUSMARC on the wiki. 12:48 jcamins That's because Koha doesn't have any support for it. 12:49 magnuse BISMARC, DANMARC... the list goes on... 12:49 mtompset http://www.rba.ru/rusmarc/rusmarc_e.html 12:49 * mtompset cringes. 12:49 magnuse some countries have taken to their senses and adopted AMRC21, though 12:49 mtompset Do standards have to be so political? 12:51 jcamins mtompset: my sources say yes. 12:51 jcamins :( 12:51 oleonard There's nothing political about us being right and everyone else being wrong is there? 12:51 mtompset Sadly, it is so. 12:52 mtompset oleonard, I sense a tongue-in-cheek comment in there. :P 12:53 mtompset Speak softly, carry a big stick? 12:56 mtompset Almost... indexed.... 12:56 mtompset What sort of speeds do you normally experience with your zebra indexing? 12:57 mtompset How long does a full reindex take? minutes with # records? 12:58 jcamins mtompset: that's a good question! 12:58 jcamins I actually don't know. 12:58 magnuse mtompset: depends a lot on your hardware, i think? 12:58 mtompset true,... okay, time, # records, size of ram, machine speed. 12:59 * magnuse doesn't have any numbers 12:59 magnuse kia ora libsysguy! 12:59 libsysguy hi magnuse 12:59 libsysguy whats happening 13:00 magnuse we, kohacon just happenede for some lucky people 13:00 magnuse for me personally, a baby happened quite recently :-) 13:01 libsysguy wow congratulations 13:01 magnuse thanks! 13:01 libsysguy babies seem to be happening all over koha 13:01 magnuse ter 13:01 libsysguy I think bag is next 13:01 magnuse ooh! 13:01 libsysguy 8 days I think 13:01 magnuse oh, nice 13:02 magnuse future bidders for kohacon might have to include kindergarten facilities in their proposals :-) 13:02 libsysguy heh 13:03 * libsysguy wishes he could have gone to kohacon 13:03 mtompset Just did a rebuild_zebra -b -a -r -v ... 39398 biblio 260 authority, 204MB, 2.4GHZ, .... it took (retiming it now) 13:03 oleonard magnuse: That would have made my presence more likely! 13:04 oleonard Me in conference, the kids in daycare, my wife being a tourist. Everyone happy. 13:04 libsysguy mtompset you should probably go make a sandwich if you are timing it 13:04 mtompset it's about 2/3 done. 13:05 libsysguy still enough time for a few sandwiches then :p 13:05 magnuse libsysguy: when i clone your koha-catalyst repo and run script/koha_server.pl and visit http://localhost:3000/ i get a "Welcome to the world of Catalyst" page - is that what is supposed to happen? 13:05 * mtompset grins. 13:05 magnuse oleonard: sounds good, i think?!? 13:06 libsysguy magnuse I haven't set a default home page yet 13:06 libsysguy you should go to http://localhost:3000/tools/overduerules 13:07 magnuse libsysguy: ah, very cool! thanks 13:07 libsysguy I haven't written any of the mutators yet so you can't actually write 13:07 libsysguy lame, I know, but I want to make sure I have a solid database schema for that table before I implement anything 13:07 libsysguy but im pumped you are checking it out 13:08 magnuse i know nothing about catalyst (except for quickly reading the first third of "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst") but it does look interesting 13:09 libsysguy it is really interesting, I am just hoping it will help reign in the codebase 13:10 libsysguy Can we just call it Koha V5.0 for now :p 13:11 mtompset Just did a rebuild_zebra -b -a -r -v ... 39398 biblio 260 authority, 204MB, 2.4GHZ, .... it took ~7:40 13:12 mtompset Probably would have been faster if we had more ram... there were 45K minor page faults. 13:17 Barrc Hi guys.....does anyone have much experience with multiple instances of Koha on the same box? I see there is a doc on the Wiki but it isn't closed to how I would do it so am wondering if anyone has any thoughts? 13:18 magnuse Barrc: the easiest way to do it is to run the packages on debian 13:18 jcamins Barrc: use packages. 13:18 jcamins It's easy. 13:18 magnuse that gives you some nice scripts for creating new instances etc 13:18 magnuse Barrc: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 13:18 jcamins ^^ what he said. 13:19 Barrc Super, thanks! 13:33 * wizzyrea waves 13:35 vkm is there any way to restrict user catogory wise for online purchase sugession 13:36 jcamins Not to my knowledge, no. 13:36 nengard nope 13:36 * jcamins considers using a chroot for testing the installation. 13:36 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 13:37 samuel is there any way to get ldap entry with a search base on user id ? 13:39 libsysguy samuel: do you mean match the userid in koha to the CN in ldap? 13:41 mtompset "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" is this you, oleonard? 13:41 samuel libsysguy: the idea is ->connect to ldap >search base on user id ->retrieve cn-> compare password->get the ldap entry 13:41 jcamins mtompset: yes that is. 13:41 oleonard mtompset: Yes 13:41 samuel i've seen there http://blog.mbek.net/2009/01/previously-i-make-some-troubleshooting.html 13:41 libsysguy samuel yeah I do that now 13:41 libsysguy but koha doesn't support it 13:41 libsysguy and its a pain 13:42 libsysguy but i can share the code I wrote with you 13:42 * jcamins tries to talk himself out of using chroot for testing Koha installation. 13:42 libsysguy are you running git or packages? 13:42 mtompset I thought koha supported LDAP authentication. 13:42 libsysguy mtompset it does 13:42 samuel libsysguy: yes, we discuss in PM 13:43 jcamins mtompset: apparently there are an infinite number of ways LDAP can be configured. 13:43 libsysguy mtompset just not in the way samuel is talking about 13:43 jcamins mtompset: I have been amazed at how many different configurations there are. 13:43 mtompset Is this another political standard problem? 13:44 jcamins mtompset: I think some of the LDAP options are MS vs. not MS. 13:46 mtompset Is this going to be a similar problem with SAML 2.0 work that may or may not be under way? 13:48 * jcamins finds his battle to talk himself out of setting up a chroot to be going badly. 13:48 mbalmer back. 13:49 mtompset Why not just a VM, jcamins? 13:49 mbalmer speaking of MARC, I favour BALMERMARC ;) 13:49 mtompset It's simpler than a chroot setup. 13:49 mtompset (I would think) 13:50 mbalmer and now I stop working and commute home… see you on the other side... 13:50 jcamins mtompset: a VM inside a VM is pushing it. 13:50 wajasu jacamins: i'll pastebin my shell script that builds a VM if you want to give it a try. 13:50 mtompset oh, nested VM's ugly. 13:51 jcamins mtompset: I'm not sure I know how to set up a VM without any user intervation. 13:51 jcamins wajasu: I'd *love* to see it. 13:51 mtompset Dumb question... why not a separate VM on the same host? 13:52 mtompset It only took me 1.5 hours to get an Ubuntu VM set up under Windows 7. 13:52 wajasu no user intervention. but you have to have your bridge to ineternet setup already, and libvirt installed/working on your host os 13:52 samuel mtompset: why do you want a separate vm? 13:53 mtompset because nested VMs is ugly. 13:53 jcamins mtompset: because part of the idea of testing is that I want to reset the VM prior to running the installation, every time, and I'm using VirtualBox for my VMs, which doesn't have a nice programmatic interface the way vmware does. 13:53 mtompset Oh... you don't like manually recloning? 13:54 jcamins mtompset: eventually my release-tool script will be run daily. 13:54 jcamins With cron. 13:54 jcamins 'Cause I can. 13:54 mtompset Ah... hence the need for no user intervention. 13:57 jcamins Exactly. 13:57 jcamins My long-term goal is to have continuous integration in place for my clients. 13:57 wajasu letme run it to test. do you have libvirt installed? 13:57 jcamins Not yet, but I will shortly. :) 13:58 mtompset continuous integration from where? 13:58 jcamins mtompset: My own release branch. 13:58 wajasu that gives me time to pastebin the scripts/files. 13:59 mtompset So a development install, but git from your branch? 13:59 jcamins mtompset: no, I use packages. 13:59 jcamins release-tool.pl builds the packages. 13:59 * magnuse cheers loudly for bug 8233 13:59 jcamins https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools 13:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else 14:00 * jcamins joins magnuse in the cheering. 14:00 jcamins I hate Windows. 14:00 jcamins windows-- 14:01 mtompset Why do you hate windows? 14:01 jcamins mtompset: a minute and a half after booting it up, it informed me that I had to reboot. 14:01 wizzyrea ^^ most. annoying. thing. ever. 14:01 libsysguy I hate windows for the same reason I hate comic sans 14:02 libsysguy it doesn't work with anything 14:02 wajasu jcamins: are you on a cpu such that you can use kvm (for performance)? 14:02 mtompset oh shoot. 14:02 mtompset It's the first tuesday of the month. 14:02 jcamins wajasu: I am not, though I may need to get a desktop, in which case I'll be able to use it on that. 14:03 jcamins mtompset: no it's not. It's the second. 14:03 mtompset Is it the first or second that MS does their monthly pushes? 14:04 jeff the second tuesday. today is patch tuesday. 14:04 wajasu jcamins: you will need a debian netinstall iso, so i hope your bridge give you internet access, debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso 14:04 jcamins Ugh. That means it's going to demand that I restart my computer *again* in a few minutes. 14:05 * mtompset tries to comfort jcamins. 14:05 * libsysguy runs osx then parallels for windows 14:06 libsysguy makes restarts less painful 14:06 mtompset Actually, it means the shutdown will be 10 minutes, and the reboot up will be 10 minutes. ;) 14:06 jcamins libsysguy: I rarely boot up Windows. It's just in a VM. 14:06 libsysguy lol thats why it needs so many patchs 14:07 libsysguy you're probably still getting patches for those stuxnet holes :p 14:07 mtompset actually, FLAME is the new STUXNET. 14:07 libsysguy oh yeah I read about that yesterday 14:08 mtompset Actually, the only true solution to this virus mess is to virtualize EVERYTHING. 14:09 libsysguy http://i.qkme.me/36c6o2.jpg 14:10 * wizzyrea applauds 14:10 wizzyrea libsysguy? 14:10 wahanui libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck 14:10 * wizzyrea nods 14:10 libsysguy heh 14:11 mtompset Loved that graphic! 14:11 mtompset "Virtualize all the servers!" 14:11 wizzyrea so much that it made you leave? :) 14:11 wizzyrea or you snorted coffee on your keyboard 14:11 wizzyrea which is what nearly happened to me. 14:11 mtompset Actually, I opened the image... but it should have been in a new tab. And back disconnected me. 14:12 wizzyrea doh! 14:12 * jcamins curses .NET. 14:12 * mtompset laughs. 14:12 jcamins In what way was .NET a good idea? 14:12 mtompset A common runtime library is a good idea in theory. 14:13 mtompset Makes maintaining the Visual Studio suite easier. ;) 14:13 jcamins Ah. Right. 14:13 jcamins Unfortunately, installing it is non-trivial. 14:13 mtompset And could break things which are dependent on it. 14:14 jcamins I successfully downloaded all the .NET files, and now it's just kind of spinning doing nothing. 14:15 * jcamins tries Windows Update in IE. 14:15 * oleonard offers jcamins a satchel packed with garlic and silver bullets 14:15 jcamins oleonard: thanks! 14:16 mtompset That only works under XP... Vista and 7 integrate windows update. 14:16 jcamins It won't cancel the installation either. 14:16 mtompset Nope. 14:17 * mtompset hands jcamins a stake in the shape of a holy cross. 14:17 jcamins Argh! 14:17 mtompset And better take some gold-dust just incase the cybermen are involved. ;) 14:18 * mtompset thinks the old school cybermen would beat up the new school cybermen easy. 14:18 wajasu jcamins: if you use my script, you could tweak the libvirt virsh command to create the vm machine to use other targets than kvm, such as lxc, qcow2, etc 14:19 mtompset "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." -- is that why you got on my case about KOHA when we first met, oleonard? ;) 14:20 wajasu jcamins: one other thing, is i have a dnsmasq handing out ip adresses, so my vm uses dhcp. 14:21 wajasu jcamins: on the bridged network. 14:22 jcamins wajasu: I can tweak it if it doesn't work with my system. 14:23 oleonard mtompset: Partly, yes. The other fact is that the name of the software is Koha, not KOHA. 14:24 wajasu jcamins: ok bldkohavm.sh is a shell script, which reads the debian iso, and a preseed.cfg file and writes an image to boot as a cdrom install. 14:25 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bldkohavm.sh early release shell script that builds a virtual machine (kvm) squeeze+" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/447 14:25 mtompset I was thinking kOhA would be nice to call it. It's case-insensitive in my address bar. ;) 14:26 wajasu jcamins: now i am trying to figure out how to upload the preseed.cfg 14:27 oleonard mtompset: The software already has a name, thanks. 14:28 * jcamins tries installing .NET again. 14:28 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "preseed.cfg that drives non-interactive debian squeeze koha-common install." (501 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/448 14:31 jcamins Hm. # indicates a comment? 14:31 wajasu jcamins: you must edit bldkohavm.sh and tweak to point to your ISO, and preseed.cfg. I had mine in /tmp, because it is /dev/shm memory for speed. # is comment in shell script. 14:34 wajasu after you run that script, you have a new iso, that is called debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst-koha.iso, which when booted in the cdrom will auto install debian, and grab all the koha-common, dependencies. it takes 5 minutes on my box, probably 20 on yours. 14:34 jcamins wajasu: but what about in preseed.cfg? Is # a comment on that? 14:34 jcamins *in that 14:35 wajasu yes those are comments 14:35 jcamins Thanks. 14:43 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-vm-builder.sh early-release: using libvirt command line, boot installs the koha debian auto-install image. using a bridge br1, and virt-type=kvm" (82 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/449 14:46 wajasu jcamins: i've got an appointment in 20minutes. but will be back in 2-3 hours and can help give support later today. 14:47 jcamins wajasu: thanks for sharing! 14:47 wajasu i'm using libvirt, because we can leverage/target lvm, lxc, kvm, etc. 14:49 wajasu the thing i was successful in was booting, then adding git, and then kohaclone, with a koha-dev running against the same database. 14:49 mtompset So, jcamins, why use packages over a git install? 14:51 jcamins mtompset: maintenance. 14:51 wajasu the user:pass is koha-biblio/koh-biblio see /etc/koha/passwd. 14:52 wajasu really everything is driven in the preseed.cfg 14:54 wajasu i was also able to use sshfs to mount my kohaclone git on my host OS, and added another apache virtual host pointing to that, using the same database. so i can code in my host os. 14:54 jcamins That last part is pretty cool. 14:54 jcamins mtompset: with packages, I don't have to worry about upgrades going wrong. 14:54 jcamins With git, I do. 14:56 wajasu yes. and i was going to just add a script in the vm that you run to support git development. and a commented sshfs line in fstab. 14:57 wajasu i had another idea: using autofs and sshfs to autmount my git dev environment upon accesssing a certain directory in the VM. 14:58 wajasu and i wonder if i accessed something like /home/koha/bugNNNN, that it would automount, and sent the git command to switch to that branch. AND show the current git branch in my command prompt :) 14:58 jcamins Ooh. That'd be pretty slick. 15:02 wajasu ...and create instances of the database like koha-bugNNNN as needed or using koha-create or such. so a flxible kohadev VM can happen. 15:03 wajasu you can then run this from jenkins, and do continous integration. 15:03 jcamins :) 15:03 jcamins That's my kind of idea. :) 15:05 wajasu if you had all the perl packages ????-perl that are in the koha-common to the preseed file, the auto install could do that part if one did not want to use koha common. 15:06 wajasu we all want the same thing. a solid dev environment, that we can trust the integrity for patches/QA and saves time to refactor/code. 15:08 wajasu you could even expose your VM on the internet and collaborate with another koha dev, and let them sign in or expose the VNC session to share it. 15:10 Oak \o 15:11 wajasu now if all these features were in a koha-dev vm, folks could collaborate even more. and the wiki could walk them through. 15:13 mtompset Woo hoo! It worked. 15:13 mtompset Now tomorrow, I shall attempt an upgrade for the first time. :) 15:13 mtompset Hi, Oak. 15:14 * mtompset waves good bye. 15:14 Oak hello mtompset :) 15:14 * wajasu there was much cheer and jubulation 15:36 reiveune bye 15:36 * wajasu back in a couple of hours 17:48 nengard Is there a problem with the RFC template? 17:48 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Enhancements_to_the_display_of_extended_patron_attributes_in_circ 17:48 nengard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Claimed_Returned_RFC 17:48 nengard if you edit those pages they have content - but they show up as blank 17:48 cait hm we might have broken it 17:48 nengard we? 17:48 wahanui we are very happy 3.6.3 users now 17:48 nengard heh 17:49 cait kyleh had accidently put a new page into the template 17:49 nengard oh 17:49 cait and dobrica tried to fix it 17:49 nengard hmmm 17:49 cait probably something went wrong 17:49 cait but I don't know anything about how the templates work :( 17:49 nengard yeah me either 17:49 nengard maybe i'll email the list 17:53 Oak you did \o/ 17:54 cait ? 17:54 cait Oak? 17:54 wahanui i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good 17:55 Oak she emailed the list 17:56 Oak never mind 17:56 Oak cait? 17:56 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero 17:57 cait hm? 17:58 Oak time changes everything 17:58 drojf hi #koha 17:59 mbalmer hi drojf... 17:59 mbalmer all got back home safe? 18:00 cait hi drojf 18:00 cait home safe? 18:03 drojf hi mbalmer and cait! safe yes, but with delay and a later flight 18:03 cait ah 18:03 mbalmer oh that sucks... 18:03 cait hope everything goes well for me tomorrow 18:04 cait don't want to be stuck in zürich 18:04 mbalmer still in edin, cait? 18:04 cait yeah 18:04 cait my flight is tomorrow 18:04 mbalmer cool 18:04 cait <- vacation ;) 18:04 drojf but i met dpavlin and mglavica and had a last ale before the flight ;) 18:05 cait oooh nice :) 18:06 drojf would have been nice to get some voucher for refreshments from lufthansa in düsseldorf though, i ate only a pretzel since breakfast 18:06 drojf but well, another beer on the second flight :D 18:06 drojf i think i am 2 hours later now than planned, lost track of that a little 18:06 cait 2 hours is not all that bad 18:06 cait I got to nz 24 hours late last time ;) 18:06 drojf no! 18:06 drojf bah 18:07 drojf yeah it was ok, they seem to fly often frim ddorf to berlin 18:07 drojf from 18:08 francharb hey all 18:08 rangi hey its my robot friend francharb ! 18:08 francharb delayed (hopefully) bags in my case 18:08 francharb hi rangi 18:08 cait oh 18:08 francharb but at least i'm home 18:09 cait didn't get them at the airprort? 18:09 francharb nope 18:09 francharb and they didn't know where they were 18:09 drojf it seemed all flights were delayed at some point 18:09 francharb maybe in amsterdam (my connection flight) 18:09 rangi oh man, you have caught my lost luggage disease 18:09 francharb cross fingers for getting them tonight or tomorrow! 18:10 francharb ahah 18:10 cait francharb: at least lots of flights between there and home... hope you get them soon 18:10 francharb I looks like that 18:10 francharb I hope too 18:10 drojf it's probably better to lose them on the way back 18:10 * liw mentions his favorite travel website ever: http://www.onebag.com/ 18:10 cait they lost mine too when coming back from nz :P 18:10 cait so it originated from me maybe 18:10 francharb drojf++ 18:10 * drojf is happy that all luggage and ales are here with me :D 18:10 francharb that's right 18:10 wahanui I know. 18:11 francharb hehe 18:11 francharb and the principal is with me (my computer) so... 18:11 drojf 21kg, 6kg more than on the way to edinburgh! 18:11 drojf francharb: yes at least you can wait online ;) 18:12 francharb :) 18:12 drojf cait: whats happening in edinburgh tonight? 18:12 francharb And I've been able to prepare my meeting tomorrow.... :) 18:12 francharb I need to book my train tickets by the way 18:12 francharb bbl 18:14 oleonard Are you home rangi ? 18:14 rangi nope 18:15 rangi i catch a bus at 3am to the mare port 18:15 francharb 0_0 18:15 rangi then 7 zillion hours later 18:15 rangi i get home 18:15 drojf heh 18:15 liw range, 3am? ouch 18:15 liw rangi, even 18:15 rangi yeah, im having words with the travel agent when i get back 18:15 liw rangi, then you have time for one of the Edinburgh night-time underground horror zombie vampire serial killer tours? :) 18:15 rangi early flight ... then 14 hours in singapore ... 18:16 cait drojf: sleep soon I think :) went shopping with rangi today, lots of walking ... *glares at rangi* 18:16 rangi hehe 18:16 rangi liw: robin did one of those last night 18:16 rangi we did a literary pub tour earlier too 18:16 rangi which was a lot of fun 18:16 liw nice 18:17 rangi its a lovely city 18:17 liw were deep-fried mars bars consumed? 18:17 drojf funny that marijana told me alcohol would lessen the pressure problems while flying but i lost almost all hearing on the right ear after having an ale 18:17 * oleonard is jealous of your long spell in Edinburgh 18:17 cait yep - and they talked loud and clear too , good for me :) (literary pub tour) 18:17 drojf the pub tour was really nice 18:17 rangi liw: nope, but i ate about 7 more teacakes than i probably should have 18:18 cait heh 18:18 francharb It's like it was a pub tour everyday... 18:18 cait he didn't share with us! 18:18 liw rangi, good, the mars bars are not a good idea :) 18:18 cait deserves you right :P 18:18 rangi and my bloodstream is now irn bru 18:18 francharb rangi, I wanted to try this but didn't have time 18:18 francharb so tonight, if you can 18:18 drojf rangi: fiery irn bru? ;) 18:18 francharb try a deep-fried mars bar 18:18 francharb it sounds like a local treat 18:19 drojf francharb: have you seen it somewhere? i only read about it 18:19 rangi i think ill just be going to sleep soon 18:19 francharb drojf, yep 18:19 francharb near grass marke 18:19 francharb t 18:19 rangi but we have deep fried moro bars in nz 18:19 drojf i bet it's strangely delicious 18:19 rangi ive had one of those 18:19 francharb and they have deep fried pizza as well 18:19 rangi its incredibly messy 18:19 francharb I bet 18:19 francharb :) 18:20 francharb I wish I had tested this... 18:20 drojf try it at home 18:20 francharb maybe one day! 18:20 francharb drojf, hehe 18:20 drojf i suppose you have mars bars 18:20 drojf in france i mean 18:20 cait francharb: what about meeting again here next yeear? :) 18:20 rangi heh 18:20 drojf or talk to mveron and try to make it in the dishwasher :D 18:20 cait I skipped the fish and chips... 18:20 cait and the chocolate fudge cake 18:21 francharb I need to find a fryer 18:21 cait drojf: heh 18:21 francharb and yep drojf, we have mars bars 18:21 francharb :) 18:21 rangi we did have indian food tho, you cant get much more scottish than that :) 18:21 drojf cait: i also missed the fudge store 18:21 francharb rangi, that's right! 18:21 drojf not enough time for sweetseeing 18:21 cait drojf: rangi pointed that out ot me today... but I should have bought more 18:22 drojf i should have gone at all 18:22 francharb The funny thing is I like indian food better in the UK than in India.... 18:22 francharb weird... 18:22 wahanui weird is normal after a while :) 18:22 drojf but i have my ales. i think that will make me quite happy 18:22 francharb :) 18:22 cait they had those little pieses on plates for testing 18:22 drojf ooooh 18:22 rangi we found the fudge and whisky stores today, much joy was had by all :) 18:22 cait I bought one block and took a little piece before I wnet out... had to go straight back into the shop to buy another 18:22 drojf hahahaha 18:22 * drojf is jealous 18:22 mbalmer in these scottish stores they sold condoms with a whisky taste, strange guys, these scots... 18:23 francharb cait, the fudge house? 18:23 cait hm no I think something with candy in the name 18:23 drojf oh not the fudge house? ok, then we can go again together. next year or so ;) 18:24 francharb mbalmer, just next to the whisky condom, you can also but a 4£ fake vagina... 18:24 francharb realllly strange 18:24 drojf francharb: with whiskey taste? 18:24 francharb sorry for sharring that 18:24 francharb by the way 18:24 drojf lol 18:24 * mbalmer wonders in which store francharb was... 18:24 francharb a random pub 18:24 francharb :) 18:25 francharb but for sure, we could doubt that 18:25 francharb but I swear it was in a pub! 18:25 francharb :) 18:25 drojf yes they had condom machines often, i never had a look. should have, seems to be interesting ;) 18:25 mbalmer but for 4 pound, you can get a real whisky ;) 18:26 francharb i should have take a picture 18:26 francharb mbalmer, and it's way more fun! 18:26 drojf i wonder when my hearing will return, it gets irritating. 18:27 cait dring some beer? 18:27 francharb s/some/lot 18:27 cait it broke after you had the ale... so ale might fix it ,) 18:27 francharb and forget eveyrthing 18:27 francharb ;) 18:27 * rangi has 4 beers from slef 18:27 drojf that would make everything less irritating at least :D 18:28 rangi but all safely packed away 18:28 francharb time for diner here! 18:28 mbalmer is evergreen a good ils? 18:28 rangi yup 18:28 francharb for those who travel today or tomorrow, travel safe! 18:28 drojf mbalmer: fed up with the koha crowd already? 18:28 rangi thanks francharb 18:28 mbalmer drojf, not at all. 18:29 drojf or is there an evergreen conference in some nice place? ;) 18:29 francharb see ya! 18:29 drojf bye francharb 18:29 drojf bon appetit 18:29 francharb_afk :) 18:29 francharb_afk thanks 18:29 mbalmer drojf, they use pg and qt, two nice things. 18:30 cait I think it is a nice ils 18:30 mbalmer is it used a lot? 18:30 drojf i only remember they were lacking acquisition when i looked for a system for us 18:30 cait lots of libraries in US do 18:31 mbalmer imo, koha has the huge advantage of a large and vibrant community 18:31 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Evergreen 18:32 rangi http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha 18:33 drojf wow that is extremely north america centered, i didn't know 18:33 * oleonard wonders if Evergreen has good i18n features 18:33 cait drojf: I think they have acq and serials now 18:33 drojf yes i think so too 18:33 drojf but we are not gonna change now ;) 18:33 cait back when we (BSZ) started looking at koha and evergreen they hadn't 18:33 mbalmer oleonard, it must, since it is based on qt. 18:34 drojf the koha map looks way more balanced and nicer 18:34 drojf not the system's fault though i guess 18:34 wizzyrea well evergreen was commissioned for a huge library system in Georgia US 18:34 drojf none in greenland. yet 18:35 * drojf claims the artic 18:35 wizzyrea so it's got a distinct north american bias in terms of who exactly it serves 18:35 drojf arctic even 18:35 wizzyrea (at the moment) 18:39 drojf alright, will try to get some scampi done and put on a salad. bbl 18:39 rangi http://untappd.com/user/ranginui 18:39 drojf those that still have to travel, have a safe and not too long way back 18:40 rangi my trip, in beers 18:40 * cait rolls eyes at the nz beer snobs ;) 18:40 drojf i wish i had done that, then i would remember what all i had 18:40 drojf i remember abbott ale in the airport ;) 18:40 drojf i think its spelled wrong 18:41 rhcl on librarytechnology.org, is it possible to view a country with the ILSs used there? I can't seem to find a link that will let me do that 18:42 rangi not with the map 18:42 rangi but you can do a search in libwebcats 18:43 oleonard The distribution of Koha on the map really is a beautiful sight to behold. 18:43 rangi http://librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ 18:44 bag cool rangi I like tracking a trip in beers :) 18:44 cait oleonard: thereis only one flaw with the map - not enough entries for germany yet :) 18:45 mbalmer we will change that ;P 18:45 oleonard I'd like to see more in Eastern Europe, Russia, and Asia 18:45 cait drojf should enter his library :) 18:45 cait *hint* 18:46 cait oleonard: asia... hm... you should go on a mission there and fix it :) 18:48 * oleonard wonders if China has a state-mandated ILS 18:49 rangi https://mmitblog.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/kohacon-2012/ <-- nice blog post from kate 18:56 cait :) 18:57 mbalmer my next iteration of MARC support in PostgreSQL will be able to directly read in MARC files using the so-called foreign data wrappers. 18:58 mbalmer PostgreSQL++ 18:58 wajasu nice 19:01 drojf cait: i'm pretty sure i did 19:01 drojf enter my library i mean 19:01 cait ah 19:01 cait didn't check lately 19:02 drojf and pretended to be using koha love already ;) 19:02 * cait checks the map 19:03 drojf i did not put much info in yet but it should know where we are 19:04 drojf yeah, huge salad. i missed that in edinburgh. should have gone to an italian restaurant maybe 19:05 cait you seemed happy enough with beer :) 19:05 jcamins_away Mmm. Salad. 19:05 cait and you are rehabilitated - the library is on the map :) 19:05 jcamins_away We're going to have a nice salad for dinner tonight. :) 19:05 cait jcamins_away: I made a fudge photo for you! 19:05 jcamins_away It's a co-op night! 19:05 jcamins_away cait: oh? 19:05 cait yeah, it's still on my phone tho 19:06 cait we found a fudge store... and I should so have bought more.. *sigh* 19:06 oleonard Alright, no more procrastinating. Time to get the jquery datepicker working on the holiday calendar 19:06 cait yayQ 19:06 jcamins_away Oh, the one on the royal mile? 19:06 * cait cheers oleonard on 19:06 cait the new tabs are very nice and shiny 19:06 cait hm not sure 19:06 cait rangi found it 19:06 cait I think it was somewhere around the grassmarket 19:07 cait I got a block of baileys and a block of caramell 19:07 jcamins_away Mmm. 19:07 liw cait, what you need is someone who's willing to send you tinned fudge by mail, obviously 19:07 oleonard Fudge is a thing there? 19:07 mbalmer I want to be able to do select marc_field(marc21', '245$a') to get at MARC subfields, and I need a syntax to set marc fields. 19:08 cait oleonard: yep 19:08 cait and liw: sounds exensive... but yes...:) 19:09 * wizzyrea gives oleonard something healthy to fuel him on 19:09 cait wizzyrea: fudge is not healthy? 19:09 jcamins_away cait: only if it has chocolate in it. 19:11 jcamins_away That's why I always make chocolate fudge varieties. 19:12 * jcamins_away respects his wife's goal to eat healthy. 19:14 cait lol 19:14 cait then it's not healty what I bought :) 19:14 cait will keep it all to myself so noone else gets endangered 19:15 jcamins_away This is why I make *chocolate* Bailey's fudge. 19:15 jcamins_away :D 19:15 drojf lol 19:26 rangi hey eythian 19:26 wahanui eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence 19:26 eythian hi 19:26 eythian thought you'd gone to sleep 19:26 * cait waves 19:26 eythian hello 19:26 wahanui what's up, eythian 19:27 drojf hi eythian 19:27 rangi sposta be, but my brain is not cooperating 19:29 eythian ah right 19:29 eythian did you want to leave me your SIM card for Stacey? 19:29 eythian hi drojf 19:30 rangi ahh actually i was gonna use it at heathrow 19:31 eythian oh right 20:10 * oleonard is pleased with the drastic reduction in complexity the jqueryUI datepicker will bring 20:12 jcamins Reduced_complexity++ 20:15 * oleonard might actually get this one submitted tomorrow. 20:15 oleonard Until then #koha 20:15 * oleonard waves 20:28 roygbivovac hi 20:28 wahanui salut, roygbivovac 20:29 roygbivovac I've got this trivial question... 20:29 wizzyrea shoot :) 20:31 roygbivovac I'm trying to install koha on a virtual machine,I need to type the upside down hat like this lamp-server^, How can I type it? 20:34 roygbivovac ok got it - shift 6 20:41 mbalmer hmm, we got more patches in koha than we got koha customers, we ate doing sth wrong in .ch, I guess ;) 20:41 mbalmer s/ate/are/ 21:10 mbalmer in the long term, any compley database application probably has to settle on one database server system. 22:14 dpavlin I'm back from kohacon and I'm still amazed how you can read e-mails all day but when you really meet people they are so much more! This goes for you all. Thanks everybody!