Time  Nick                 Message
23:33 * jcamins            calls it a day. :)
23:33 jcamins              :)
23:33 papa                 then you win :)
23:33 jcamins              However, since waitpid works, and I just teed the output of the tests, I'm satisfied.
23:33 papa                 perldoc -f wait
23:32 jcamins              Or not a regular function.
23:32 jcamins              I think maybe wait is either new or old.
23:30 papa                 but fork and wait should be core as well
23:30 jcamins              Well, sort of.
23:30 jcamins              No worries. I figured it out. :)
23:30 * papa               hides
23:29 papa                 ah, sorry, I was thinking sleep
23:28 jcamins              Well, waitpid works.
23:24 papa                 the idea of perl was to replace sh/sed/awk, so everything these provide should be in core
23:23 jcamins              Hm.
23:23 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzyrea, are you still here or did something come up? Thanks
23:23 papa                 I think it is core
23:22 papa                 I don't think so
23:22 * jcamins            tries.
23:22 jcamins              use POSIX?
23:22 jcamins              papa: do I need to use some module in order to use wait?
23:09 * jcamins            supposes that fork() will be involved if he wants to tee the output to the tests.
23:08 jcamins              Yay! My release-tool script now tees its subcommands' output to stdout when --verbose is specified!
22:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Did that work?
22:06 drojf                hello again
22:04 pastebot             "YoungPublicLibrarian" at pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/444
22:03 jcamins              paste.koha-community.org
22:01 YoungPublicLibrarian Should I just paste the report into here?
21:58 wizzyrea             what do you have so far?
21:58 jcamins              I think James may have just asked for help with that report.
21:55 YoungPublicLibrarian no problem. I have the fines and fees query that you helped me with last time. I would like to add code to it that asks for a specific start and end date to pull the fines and fees from, but I'm not sure what to add or where.
21:52 wizzyrea             sorry, I was away from my desk
21:52 * wizzyrea           waves
21:47 YoungPublicLibrarian Looking for someone to help me modify my KOHA query so it gives me the proper information on a report. Anyone available? (Eying Wizzyrea's name over there in the user column :D)
21:17 jcamins              I always forget that git revert will cope with commits prior to the last.
21:17 jcamins              BTW, reverting a dozen commits from within the last 500 or so is *way* more pleasant than trying to rebase them out.
20:55 libsysguy            haha yeahhh
20:55 jcamins              Thank goodness.
20:54 jcamins              I can use git revert for commits prior to the last.
20:54 jcamins              Oooh!
20:54 jcamins              libsysguy: I'm trying to remove a commit that wasn't the last.
20:54 libsysguy            jcamins what are you rebasing for?
20:53 jcamins              Oh well.
20:53 jcamins              There has got to be a better way to do this.
20:53 * jcamins            rebases 497 patches.
20:35 wizzyrea             :) np, happy to help
20:34 nengard              thanks liz that worked - cpan didn't
20:34 jcamins              nengard: you'll need to install Text::Unaccent. libtext-unaccent-perl
20:34 wizzyrea             try sudo apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl.
20:33 nengard              Can't locate Text/Unaccent.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/nengard/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/C4/Members.pm line 41.
20:32 nengard              just did a fetch and tried to install Text::Unaccent but it says it's not possible ? is this not the module I need?
20:32 oleonard             Bye #koha
20:32 wizzyrea             bye oleonard
20:32 oleonard             Time for me to go too
20:31 wizzyrea             hmm. I could make all of these icons for circ "on books…" too much?
20:29 wizzyrea             later sekjal
20:29 oleonard             Bye sekjal
20:29 sekjal               okay, time for me to go.  have a good night, all!
20:28 jcamins              50% reduction in the length of time it takes to load the page!
20:27 jcamins              Now _that_ is what I'm talking about!
20:27 wizzyrea             but I thought perhaps having two books next to each other, and one slanting and one not, might look odd.
20:27 wizzyrea             just "transfer" really
20:26 wizzyrea             I consider that winning.
20:26 * wizzyrea           is glad that you got it without context.
20:26 * sekjal             reads upwards to see that, yes, that was the context
20:26 sekjal               wizzyrea: is that for a fast book transfer....
20:24 wizzyrea             http://screencast.com/t/Zp01tZTAG
20:24 wizzyrea             nm I just got rid of the bookmark :P
20:23 mbalmer              I don't.
20:22 jcamins              mbalmer: just make sure that you don't make any assumptions about the order of fields.
20:22 wizzyrea             *nod* let me see if I can find a different book
20:21 oleonard             wizzyrea: Maybe it doesn't need the bookmark?
20:21 mbalmer              no, I don't interpret the fields in any way.  I just produce them from the binary record ( and might soon be able to set them, as well)
20:21 wizzyrea             oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/ktW51Gyp instead?
20:20 sekjal               then that sounds good
20:20 sekjal               if you're not making any use of the meanings of the fields, or whether subfields are required/optional or unique/multiple
20:19 mbalmer              maybe the datatype should only be marc, not marc21?
20:18 mbalmer              sekjal, that is good news for me.  since my work on extracts the fields, but does not interpret them.  so maybe naming the whole thing marc21 is not a good idea.
20:13 libsysguy            ^^ this
20:11 jcamins              It certainly is.
20:11 mbalmer              well, marc is a minefield anyway ;)
20:11 sekjal               mbalmer:  the only difference between MARC21 and UNIMARC is the semantic meaning of the fields.  the structure (field, subfields and indicators) is the same
20:11 jcamins              Just 3 digit.
20:11 jcamins              Nope.
20:11 mbalmer              marc21 has only 3 digits.
20:10 mbalmer              iirc, unimarc has 4 digit field tags.
20:10 jcamins              (i.e. are you adding any semantic functionality?)
20:10 jcamins              What makes it MARC21 versus UNIMARC?
20:10 jcamins              Fair enough.
20:10 jcamins              Ah.
20:09 mbalmer              for the "proof of concept" I just do plain MARC21, then I will figure out how to add the other marcs.
20:09 jcamins              And perhaps later on RUSMARC.
20:09 jcamins              If you do MARC21 and UNIMARC, it means that someone would need to implement NORMARC.
20:09 mbalmer              that is what I am unsure of.  need to find out more details.
20:08 jcamins              I think a generic type would be preferable.
20:08 jcamins              mbalmer: you're implementing separate MARC21 and UNIMARC data types?
20:07 mbalmer              marc21 is probably a better name for a MARC21 data type in an SQL database, I think I'll rename it so.
20:05 wizzyrea             yea, you're probably right
20:05 oleonard             Seems like that won't scale down well enough
20:04 wizzyrea             something like this for "Transfer?" http://screencast.com/t/Q2YQS21khm
20:03 mbalmer              back home
20:02 libsysguy            oleonard TROLOLOLOL
20:02 libsysguy            heh
20:02 * oleonard           is gonna troll everyone by changing that tag to read "<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="FrontPage 1.0">"
20:01 oleonard             <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0900013" />
20:00 jcamins              I'm pretty sure it's on 3.9.something.
20:00 wahanui              http://head.bibkat.no/ is, like, now definitely running 3.8.0 :-)
20:00 oleonard             http://head.bibkat.no/
19:59 jcamins              head.bikat.no is your best bet.
19:58 libsysguy            but i was on 3.08 before my update (what they are on now) and it was still broken
19:58 libsysguy            its not
19:58 jcamins              Check the demo is up to date?
19:58 libsysguy            but I can see they are there on bywater's demo of master
19:57 libsysguy            but they have been missing for awhile
19:57 libsysguy            i am running 3.09.013 and suggestions are missing some of the tabs
19:56 libsysguy            I have something weird happening with suggestions
19:56 libsysguy            that is what I was thinking
19:56 libsysguy            ok cool
19:55 sekjal               Zebra configs are a big one there, but you can just symlink those once and be done
19:55 sekjal               libsysguy:  it's only really necessary if any of the install configs change, and you don't want to migrate them manually
19:54 libsysguy            or can i just do a fetch and rebase all the time
19:54 libsysguy            on a dev install should I ever have to run the installer again
19:49 * jcamins            likes it.
19:47 wizzyrea             a tiny slant makes it seem quicker to me :P http://screencast.com/t/HBtlVjYyD
19:47 wizzyrea             I think they are too, I've heard that through the grapevine
19:47 wizzyrea             i haven't
19:47 oleonard             Which is to say, I believe that hold limits are broken in master. completely broken. Wondering if anyone else has found it to be so.
19:44 oleonard             Has anyone else tested hold limits in master lately?
19:40 * wizzyrea           will try that too
19:40 sekjal               oh, just slanting the book in one direction, and putting some parallel lines after it to indicate motion
19:39 * wizzyrea           wonders what sekjal's idea was
19:35 wizzyrea             ooh
19:34 sekjal               oleonard: oh, that's way better than my idea
19:33 oleonard             Like with a lightning bolt?
19:33 wizzyrea             I wish it said "fast" to me more. >.>
19:32 sekjal               wizzyrea:  neat!
19:31 jcamins              Looks good to me.
19:31 jcamins              That would make sense.
19:31 jcamins              If it were caching image results.
19:31 jcamins              You know where it would make sense?
19:30 wizzyrea             http://screencast.com/t/hwA0byVJVb
19:30 wizzyrea             something like this for fast add?
19:30 wizzyrea             :)
19:30 jcamins              :D
19:30 wizzyrea             I cannot agree or disagree with an assertion that has or hasn't been made.
19:30 jcamins              wizzyrea: do you disagree? :P
19:29 * wizzyrea           boggles
19:29 * jcamins            concludes definitively that nginx may or may not make sense in his situation.
19:13 jcamins              *)
19:13 jcamins              (the server that's slow is my dev VM)(
19:12 jcamins              sekjal: since none of my actual servers have the problem, I think I'll just ignore it.
19:11 sekjal               next step is to replicate on a separate install
19:11 libsysguy            smeagol it's in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/staff-global.css but you should really override it from sysprefs
19:11 oleonard             smeagol: Do you mean CSS?
19:11 sekjal               jcamins: must be something on the server end, most likely with either your Apache settings, or perhaps the file system
19:10 Oak                  night guys
19:09 smeagol              Hi all..where is the code for a.yuimenuitemlabel kept, in Koha?
19:08 jcamins              On FF the difference is even more pronounced because I didn't clear my cache first: 779ms vs 24.54s.
19:06 jcamins              Oh well.
19:06 jcamins              No, I have the exact same problem in FF, so clearly it's not a browser-specific thing.
19:06 sekjal               huh, not seeing the problem on Chromium
19:06 jcamins              Those two are a serious problem for Apache.
19:04 jcamins              Nope.
19:04 * jcamins            falls asleep.
19:03 jcamins              Could be a Chrome issue.
19:03 * jcamins            will see what FF says.
19:02 * sekjal             is using FF on Ubuntu, with Firebug
19:02 sekjal               I'm getting 16ms and 20ms respectively, and once they're downloaded, my browser caches them.
19:01 jcamins              Very peculiar.
19:01 jcamins              /opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/...
19:01 sekjal               huh
19:00 jcamins              They are indeed.
19:00 sekjal               jcamins: are they loading from the same place as everything else?
18:59 jcamins              sekjal: it doesn't _feel_ that slow to me, but I'm looking at the Network tab in Chrome, and it tells me that menu-min.js and jquery.js take about 16s to load.
18:58 sekjal               jcamins: I'm on a git install, and I'm just not seeing the slowness you are.  there's got to be more to the story...
18:57 jcamins              Interesting.
18:56 jcamins              (where work = cache stuff)
18:56 jcamins              sekjal: the configuration for package installs seems to work, but the default configuration on git (!) does not?
18:53 sekjal               jcamins: my browser is caching most of the css and js, and pageloads are in the 2s range (with Apache)
18:51 jcamins              But the default Apache config doesn't have it doing that.
18:51 jcamins              It should, yes.
18:51 sekjal               shouldn't it cache in the user's browser?
18:51 jcamins              Possibly this is a mistake.
18:50 jcamins              I just use the default koha-httpd.conf.
18:50 jcamins              sekjal: not with Apache.
18:50 libsysguy            recursive jquery is recursive
18:50 sekjal               is it not caching?
18:50 libsysguy            infinate recursion
18:50 jcamins              Do you see a theme here?
18:49 jcamins              And...
18:49 jcamins              And again.
18:49 jcamins              And again.
18:49 jcamins              Again.
18:49 jcamins              And most of that time is spent *downloading jQuery*.
18:49 jcamins              Yep.
18:49 sekjal               21.11s... oof
18:49 jcamins              I wanted to confirm nginx was working.
18:49 jcamins              sekjal: opac-main.pl.
18:48 sekjal               jcamins:  what are you loading?
18:48 libsysguy            im just going to insert this here http://wiki.catalystframework.org/wiki/adventcalendararticles/2008/02-catalyst_and_nginx
18:48 jcamins              Freaking Apache.
18:48 libsysguy            0_0
18:48 jcamins              Load time without nginx: 21.11s!
18:47 jcamins              Load time with nginx: 4.42s.
18:47 libsysguy            heh
18:47 wahanui              jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
18:47 libsysguy            jcamins ?
18:47 libsysguy            i guess you could make the form a questionaire
18:47 jcamins              Wow!
18:46 libsysguy            touche oleonard
18:46 oleonard             What makes sense in English may not make sense in another language
18:46 libsysguy            sweet
18:46 jcamins              That makes sense.
18:46 libsysguy            exactly
18:46 jcamins              Oh, you mean when setting which notices to send when.
18:45 * libsysguy          pities jcamins for testing nginx
18:44 libsysguy            but I thought it might make more sence in a sentence
18:44 libsysguy            well in a traditional form I think it could be confusing to fill out notices
18:44 * jcamins            tests nginx.
18:43 jcamins              Uhhh... huh?
18:43 libsysguy            Notices Question:  What if, instead of a traditional form for notices we make it more of a fill in the blank sentence.  Ex for overdue: "(x) days (after) [date_due] for (occurences) times on interval (z)"
17:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
17:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7810 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined
17:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus
17:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, Pushed to Master , Add Item availability status to cart
17:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix version numbers in modules and set up a system to keep them up to date
17:57 jenkins_koha         * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser
17:57 jenkins_koha         * dpavlin: Bug 7810 - C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined
17:57 jenkins_koha         * koha.sekjal: Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin
17:57 jenkins_koha         * paul.poulain: [PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF] bug 7570: add a space to the table header
17:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html
17:57 jenkins_koha         * meenakshi.r: Bug 7570 - Add Item availability status to cart.
17:57 jenkins_koha         * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Fix version numbers in modules
17:57 jenkins_koha         * oleonard: Bug 8171 - Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html
17:57 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #755: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/755/
17:09 jcamins              It passes for me.
17:07 jcamins              rangi: any idea why 00-testcritic.t is unhappy?
17:06 jenkins_koha         Starting build #755 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 7 hr ago)
17:05 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #754: NOW UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/754/
16:50 wizzyrea             transfer: http://thenounproject.com/noun/sync/#icon-No290
16:48 jcamins              They should be provided by the same package, though.
16:48 jcamins              rangi: yes, we switched to Cache::Memcached::Fast after you sent me a link saying "Cache::Memcached can't handle UTF-8."
16:45 wizzyrea             might be able to do something with one of these books: http://thenounproject.com/noun/book/#icon-No2051
16:44 wizzyrea             http://thenounproject.com/noun/download/#icon-No2080 (checkin)
16:43 wizzyrea             it would be perfect
16:43 wizzyrea             if that were a book
16:43 wizzyrea             lol.
16:43 wizzyrea             checkout: http://thenounproject.com/noun/upload/#icon-No909 (technically, upload?)
16:42 oleonard             Circulation rules? http://thenounproject.com/noun/stress/#icon-No1760
16:41 oleonard             Not sure if that is a big deal or not
16:41 wizzyrea             hmm
16:41 oleonard             wizzyrea: We use something like that elsewhere to mean "receive" I think
16:40 jcamins              Homepage = in Koha, not k-c.org.
16:40 jcamins              Ohh.
16:40 wizzyrea             http://thenounproject.com/noun/inbox/#icon-No406 checkin?
16:40 * jcamins            is confused.
16:39 oleonard             jcamins: To find that link
16:38 jcamins              Why are we looking at that page?
16:36 wizzyrea             of course.
16:36 wizzyrea             lol.
16:34 oleonard             http://thenounproject.com/
16:34 oleonard             wizzyrea: We should have been looking at the about page!
16:32 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc1ccb1d74fede81a0603193bc27b43fbaf51298> / Bug 7810 - C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91bf568114b3181f340d29e6491ea0008ae9694f> / Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin <http
16:29 jcamins              Right.
16:29 wahanui              not everything is possible; do things the right way, and you'll be safe. :)
16:29 jcamins              Okay, not everything.
16:27 jcamins              My accountant fixed everything!
16:27 jcamins              Woohoo!
16:27 oleonard             Maybe
16:27 wizzyrea             ah cool, maybe it's in the IRC logs?
16:26 * oleonard           is trying to find it
16:26 oleonard             wizzyrea: I remember gaetan showing me, but now I can't remember
16:25 wizzyrea             but… don' tknow if they exist
16:25 wizzyrea             and I have some ideas about what type of icons they would have
16:24 wizzyrea             oleonard: any idea where they came from? I'd like to give the circ page a similar treatment
16:24 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8237 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , HTML-table in timeline broken
16:24 mveron               Bug 8237 - HTML-table in timeline broken
16:23 asaurat              we now have some England soccer fans to taunt
16:23 matts                As tweeted, this kohaconahackfestpubdrinks12 was really great !
16:22 matts                bye #koha !
16:22 asaurat              good bye and see you all very soon
16:22 matts                time to go !
16:22 oleonard             They're from a set wizzyrea
16:21 bencahill            I use it pretty often :P
16:21 bencahill            yep
16:21 wizzyrea             that is super sweet.
16:21 wizzyrea             I didn't know about tineye
16:20 bencahill            :) np
16:20 wizzyrea             bencahill++ thanks
16:20 bencahill            wizzyrea: I don't have them off hand, but do a tineye.com search.
16:20 wizzyrea             or are they from an icon set?
16:20 wizzyrea             did someone at biblibre do them special for koha?
16:20 wizzyrea             question, where did the icons for the home page come from?
16:18 cait                 packing up - cya all later I hope!
16:15 jenkins_koha         Starting build #754 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 6 hr ago)
16:15 cait                 mveron: is there any chocolate left? ;)
16:15 rangi                now its Cached::Memcached::Fast it wants
16:15 cait                 mveron: you could file a bug and send a patch :)
16:14 rangi                it used to be just Cache::Memcached
16:14 rangi                thats new
16:14 rangi                ah yes, fast
16:11 mveron               Should I file a bug regarding the tmeline?
16:08 cait                 heh
16:08 mrenvoize            trust my name to cause issues with the timeline :p
16:06 cait                 mle_mac: I don't think we were using up a lot of bandwidth bug squashing
16:06 mle_mac              shoudl i update the wiki?
16:06 mle_mac              hehe
16:06 drojf                mle_mac: it's alright, we have seen it live
16:06 cait                 mle_mac: I think it worked nicely :)
16:05 rangi                yep,it's a tab separated file but i think people sometimes accidentally use spaces
16:05 mle_mac              droif: We are using the backup plan. The plan was to have our own cat5 socket, but unfortunately the nearest one is in the library bar.  they weren't too keen on my danglign cat5 cables out of the window and *they* were confident that the wifi would cope. ; /
16:04 mveron               rangi: Just had a look at the file, seems to be true
16:04 rangi                the timeline is drawn from the history.txt file
16:03 mle_mac              droif: : (
16:03 rangi                mveron: i think that happens when someone puts spaces instead of tabs in the history.txt file
16:03 drojf                mle_mac: its slower now than in my guest house
16:03 rangi                mle_mac: looks fine to me
16:02 mveron               Who takes care of the timeline in Home › About Koha? Table does not display well, sometimes the date is together with the Description, e.g. December 6 2011 Martin Renvoize
16:02 jcamins              It is if you want to use caching.
16:02 mle_mac              droif: maybe,  its 100Mbs dl so maybe not
16:02 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading
16:02 oleonard             Hey there are a couple of simple patches still awaiting signoff on Bug 7500. Just sayin'.
16:02 jcamins              I didn't add that.
16:02 rangi                its now a hard dependency?
16:02 drojf                mle_mac:  nice, let's kill the university wifi and everybody download the video
16:02 jcamins              How was it working before?
16:01 rangi                hmm ok
16:01 jcamins              rangi: you need to install libcache-memcached-perl on jenkins.
16:01 jcamins              Oh.
16:00 jcamins              Uhhh... what?
16:00 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #753: STILL FAILING in 6 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/753/
15:58 mle_mac              http://archive.org/details/Kohacon12ItsAllAboutThePeople first video uploaded. rangi please check details.
15:57 mle_mac              boom!
15:54 * cait               is guilty of that one
15:54 oleonard             dpavlin: I think the problem is only faced by those running off of git
15:53 dpavlin              7411 did introduce a change to install_misc/debian.packages wasn't that sufficient?
15:53 jenkins_koha         Starting build #753 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 6 hr ago)
15:52 rangi                yep, it was just introduced
15:51 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid
15:51 oleonard             Sees it was Bug 7411
15:51 jcamins              Just saw the complaint from jenkins, and went went back to cursing bureaucracy, tax laws, and the legal definition of "disregarded entity" (or lack thereof!).
15:51 mveron               Works, thanks!
15:51 * jcamins            didn't actually look.
15:50 jcamins              oleonard: that would make sense. :)
15:50 cait                 250 kittens! yay!
15:50 * oleonard           assumed "sudo apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl" was the solution
15:49 jcamins              Not sure what that's about.
15:49 jcamins              mveron: yeah, jenkins was complaining too.
15:49 rangi                250 kittens
15:49 jcamins              oleonard: thanks.
15:49 * oleonard           holds jcamins' beverage for him so it doesn't spill
15:49 mveron               Just did Git pull, have now Software Error / Can't locate Text/Unaccent.pm in @INC
15:46 * jcamins            bangs his head against the table a bit more.
15:46 jcamins              Thanks.
15:45 hdl1                 And big whiskey
15:45 * hdl1               too
15:45 * jwagner            gives jcamins a stiff drink regardless
15:44 jcamins              [off] That depends. If I give a different one can I have a stiff drink?
15:44 eythian              is that your final answer?
15:43 jcamins              Blarglarglebargleaaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhh!
15:28 * jcamins            curses bureaucracy.
15:28 oleonard             New dependency?
15:26 * jcamins            curses the IRS again.
15:26 mveron               matts: http://paste.koha-community.org/443
15:24 rangi                maybe not an intentional one :)
15:23 rangi                heh
15:22 wizzyrea             no, it's not a joke.
15:22 wizzyrea             lol - wow, libraries and hot-rods - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/ps9CTeW9tAI/the-librarian-and-the-hot-rod.html
15:20 * jcamins            curses the IRS.
15:16 * oleonard           doesn't like vague complaints without specific examples
15:16 mtompset             Anyways... I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great day, everyone. :)
15:16 dpavlin              cool. Since we didn't have a dalik attack this week, I think I'll me able to work on in a bit more in next few days.
15:15 oleonard             dpavlin: And I'm sorry to have missed you all
15:15 oleonard             dpavlin: I still think it's a good idea
15:14 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS
15:14 dpavlin              oleonard: what do you think about Bug 1918? Does it make sense to work on this a bit more? [BTW, we miss you here ;-)]
15:14 mtompset             Right... my attempt made everything look nice, except for #doc3 section.
15:14 oleonard             mtompset: That's part of the gride framework: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/
15:13 mtompset             Trying to put a nice border around the page.
15:13 mtompset             or something similar... I'm going from memory.
15:12 mtompset             For example, #doc3 { margin: auto 10px }
15:12 oleonard             mtompset: What problem are you having?
15:12 oleonard             tcohen: The original of that diagram is attached to this post: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 under the "Avenues of Customization" heading
15:12 mtompset             A diagram would at least inform me of that.
15:12 mtompset             Yes, but perhaps I'm coding something wrong.
15:12 oleonard             mtompset: I don't think a diagram would help you with that
15:11 mtompset             Hence my problem with CSS and not being able to over-ride things. :P
15:10 oleonard             mtompset: Similar regions don't exist to that extent in the staff client
15:10 jcamins              Hm. I will do that when I can.
15:10 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8235 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Packaging scripts get upset with non-Debian perl modules
15:10 eythian              jcamins: you might want to have a look at bug 8235 some time, it'll make packaging a little bit nicer.
15:10 jcamins              dpavlin: not at all!
15:10 jcamins              Ah, nothing to do with CHI.
15:10 mtompset             oleonard, is there something similar for the staff client?
15:10 dpavlin              jcamins: Q: would you mind if I inserted some statistic counters in Koha::Cache so we can see how much is it helping?
15:10 jcamins              What do you mean still failing?
15:09 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework
15:09 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid
15:09 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8004 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Items on Hold Lose Transfer After Being Scanned Twice
15:09 jenkins_koha         * jcamins: Bug 8092: Cheer up Jenkins on loading Cache modules
15:09 jenkins_koha         * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7411: Remove diacritics from generated userid
15:09 jenkins_koha         * kyle: Bug 8004 - Items on Hold Lose Transfer After Being Scanned Twice
15:09 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #752: STILL FAILING in 6 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/752/
15:09 tcohen               but couldn't find it there :D
15:09 tcohen               i was hoping to get it from your blog
15:09 tcohen               thanks oleonard
15:09 oleonard             http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=1529
15:08 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar
15:08 oleonard             tcohen: A version of it is attached to Bug 3708
15:08 mtompset             Bye, #koha folks.
15:08 mtompset             I'm taking off too.
15:08 tcohen               bye slef
15:08 mtompset             Bye, slef.
15:08 slef                 bye everyone
15:08 oleonard             tcohen: There is an image depicting the customizable regions
15:06 tcohen               (divs)
15:05 tcohen               is there an image depicting main opac page blocks?
15:03 jenkins_koha         Starting build #752 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 5 hr ago)
15:03 alex_a               dpavlin: i have Plugin:barcode.pl linked to my barcode field and i use autoBarcode. But can't reproduce :(
15:02 mtompset             thanks, rangi. :)
15:02 dpavlin              jcamins++ Now it's time for me to take a look where else could I insert CHI into.
15:02 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8092' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a453a881eca5524864d7a6860e830059aef1381e> / Bug 8092: Cheer up Jenkins on loading Cache modules <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4514e0d45842e38e01e1a45d655dbf60cf6e61d> / Bug 7411: Remove diacritics from generated userid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm
15:00 rangi                http://koha-community.org/about/release-schedule/
15:00 rangi                3
14:59 rangi                oh yes!
14:59 paul_p               (she's a mid-wife, we will have a lot of fun teaching her all those things ;-) )
14:59 jcamins              rangi: and Shari and Jared. :)
14:59 paul_p               next KohaCon i'll come with my wife ;-)
14:59 rangi                no we do timebased releases
14:59 mtompset             eg 3.2.10, 3.4.11, 3.6.?
14:59 rangi                mtompset: not a number, a time
14:59 cait                 :)
14:59 rangi                and this kohacon we have sign offs from 2 couples, bob and irma and dobrica and marijana
14:58 mtompset             is there a number at which 3.6 will be cut off and 3.10 introduced?
14:58 rangi                sweet thanks paul_p
14:58 jcamins              Yay!
14:58 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework
14:58 paul_p               rangi = bug 8092 pushed
14:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers
14:57 dpavlin              want to try koha with plack? Bug 7844 might help... Hopefully it's now clean enough to make it work for everyone (thanks to rangi++ for last few nit-picks)
14:56 rangi                thanks
14:49 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6175 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Mismatch between marc_subfield_structure and authorised_values tables
14:49 jcamins              Bug 6175
14:49 paul_p               rangi yep, will do just after failing QA the 6175 i'm QAing
14:49 rangi                paul_p: can you push the last patch on 8092 please? to make jenkins happy
14:43 alex_a               dpavlin: thx
14:42 dpavlin              alex_a++ I'm painfully aware that they are hard to reproduce, it took me most of day to track down why I'm seeing them and nobody else does
14:41 dpavlin              and you have to have barcode field on this screen to trigger problem. I *think* that is a framework config if I'm not mistaken.
14:40 dpavlin              alex_a: yap. sorry if message wasn't too clear, I tried to translate what Marijana told me :-)
14:38 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/additem.pl plack scoping
14:38 alex_a               dpavlin: for bug 8180. When you say item.barcode must be used in framework, you mean autoBarcode syspref ?
14:38 slef                 I think magnuse offered some troll or something
14:38 jcamins              The second is still my favorite.
14:38 slef                 drojf: you are a very cruel person :)
14:38 jcamins              dpavlin++
14:38 jcamins              drojf: lol
14:37 wizzyrea             oh cool, collection codes in statistics table. Nice one.
14:36 rangi                new kitten photo
14:35 * drojf              was hoping to see jcamins win the bottle of wine for most kittens so he would have to get to edinburgh to get it
14:34 jcamins              cait: apparently so. :P
14:34 cait                 jcamins: perhaps it's because you are not fast enough? ;)
14:33 mtompset             Hey, I didn't save any kittens. I hate cats. :P
14:33 jcamins              Unfair!
14:33 jcamins              Everyone is passing me by!
14:33 cait                 hurry on :P
14:33 jcamins              Argh! Both of you have more kittens saved than me!
14:33 cait                 stupid flu1
14:33 cait                 and I am trying to catch up.... :)
14:32 cait                 but mrenvoize has one kitten more than me!!
14:32 mtompset             Well, if fixing a bug is saving a kitten, then what is introducing one?
14:32 jcamins              clrh: yay! That's the step I wanted!
14:32 cait                 no
14:32 slef                 cait: you sounded anguished!
14:32 * cait               doesn't kill kittens
14:32 mtompset             I think paul_p resurrected the kitten cait killed. ;)
14:32 clrh                 rangi: had installed it pon his laptop http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SearchEngine_Layer_RFC
14:31 clrh                 break nothing but adds syspref and conf and opac simple search
14:31 slef                 did cait just kill a kitten?
14:31 clrh                 :)
14:31 clrh                 I on it
14:31 clrh                 jcamins: next step is to provide a patch :)
14:30 * jcamins            looks forward to signing off on things that centralize the interface to Zebra.
14:30 jcamins              And two button mice.
14:29 jcamins              And ugly computer hardware.
14:29 slef                 apple hates everyone
14:29 jcamins              And freedom.
14:29 mtompset             apple hates kittens?
14:29 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else
14:29 alex_a               paul_p: Okay!
14:29 jcamins              clrh: so what's step one on bug 8233?
14:24 clrh                 kyleh_: you put things about namespace that we show in every rfc pages :)http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SearchEngine_Layer_RFC  http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Discharge_RFC I think you edit the template
14:22 mgeist               Some stray kittens, i think from the neighbor's, invaded my mom's van this weekend.  She left the windows open...
14:22 drojf                they probably have a kitten jail somewhere in china
14:22 rangi                and free kittens most of all
14:22 drojf                damn apple
14:21 rangi                and freedom
14:21 rangi                apple hates kittens
14:21 mgeist               lol
14:21 * wizzyrea           tries to think of something clever, gives up.
14:20 * paul_p             QAing non biblibre patches now...
14:20 eythian              wizzyrea: because you're on OSX
14:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/additem.pl plack scoping
14:20 paul_p               alex_a = if you want to signoff bug 8180 and 8183, you'll be thanked ;-)
14:19 wizzyrea             hm I don't see a kitten there either
14:19 eythian              Maybe you're using some odd default font
14:18 oleonard             Strange
14:18 rangi                macs are notable for their bad unicode support, but normally it works for windows
14:18 rangi                some don't
14:18 rangi                its a unicode char, most things support it
14:17 oleonard             PC
14:17 rangi                using a mac?
14:17 * oleonard           only sees "invalid character" squares
14:17 * oleonard           wonders if he's supposed to be seeing some clever icon under the "kittens saved" column http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/
14:15 dpavlin              there are few more kittens waiting to be rescured for those two :-)
14:15 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , acqui/parcels.pl plack scoping
14:15 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/additem.pl plack scoping
14:15 dpavlin              I finally managed to track down all edge cases for bug 8180 and bug 8183 which are last two "hard" bugs that we know of to make plack work.
14:15 oleonard             Did anyone take pictures at the hackfest?
14:10 jcamins              eythian: yeah, they're not all direct Koha dependencies.
14:09 eythian              the others I haven't needed yet.
14:09 eythian              cgi::s::d::m is already in there, as is libgravatar-url-perl
14:08 jcamins              Except for the ones that didn't make it onto my public apt repo yet.
14:08 jcamins              Hmm.
14:07 jcamins              eythian: http://apt.cpbibliography.com/koha/dists/dependencies/main/binary-amd64/Packages <-- the dependencies I have packaged for quick deployment on my servers.
14:06 * eythian            has produced 10 new dependencies today, though most of them are for solr
14:06 jcamins              eythian: :D
14:06 eythian              jcamins: fwiw, I'm working on packaging CHI right now
14:06 hdl1                 jcamins: http://korben.info/configurer-nginx-reverse-proxy.html
14:05 paul_p               yesterday it was less than 10 !
14:05 paul_p               wow... 46 patches to QA...
14:05 * bencahill          doesn't know how to describe a Wubi install...
14:05 bencahill            jcamins: Hey, we got a computer with an i3-2120 (although not the one for the server), and tried koha installed in a Wubi thing...it's awesome fast! (everything we tested under 1sec) :)
14:04 Oak                  gracias gracias
14:04 jcamins              Oak++
14:04 jcamins              Yay!
14:03 Oak                  jcamins: i'll learn about it how to do it then report :)
14:03 bencahill            Oak: ;)
14:02 Oak                  bencahill: now clean sweat from the keyboard
14:02 Oak                  :( oho
14:01 * bencahill          just ran a 17:36 (2mi)
14:01 jcamins              Oak: the example of using nginx that I found forwarded all requests to Apache.
14:01 bencahill            Yay!
14:00 * Oak                goes to wiki to search nginx
13:59 jcamins              Has anyone set up nginx for serving Koha's static content?
13:57 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should use CHI caching framework
13:57 jcamins              If someone wanted to sign off on the bug 8092 follow-up, we could cheer up Jenkins.
13:56 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4246 enhancement, P4, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Koha support for Itiva Talking Tech phone notification service
13:56 jenkins_koha         * paul.poulain: Revert "Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1.  See page 194 of PBP."
13:56 jenkins_koha         * paul.poulain: Bug 4246 Follow-up updatedatabase
13:56 jenkins_koha         * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 3 - Follow PBP
13:56 jenkins_koha         * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 2 - Bugfix
13:56 jenkins_koha         * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup - Fix Messaging Preferences
13:56 jenkins_koha         * ian.walls: Talking Tech Support - Phase I
13:56 jenkins_koha         Project Koha_master build #751: STILL FAILING in 7 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/751/
13:54 sekjal               okay, time for a meeting; later, #koha
13:54 jcamins              From 3.8 to 3.10 (for example), expect big changes.
13:54 jcamins              Within the stable branches, there probably won't be many changes from version to version.
13:54 mtompset             based on version, or language?
13:54 * Oak                waves back
13:54 jcamins              mtompset: it varies.
13:53 mtompset             how transportable are translation files from one version to the next?
13:53 * wizzyrea           waves
13:49 jenkins_koha         Starting build #751 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 4 hr ago)
13:47 jcamins              mtompset: yes, there are scripts to create them.
13:46 mtompset             I looks like .po files are simple mappings.
13:45 jcamins              I think cait can tell you how to do that. :)
13:45 jcamins              mtompset: in that case you'll need to create a new translation.
13:45 mtompset             I was trying to figure out how to suggest to him to go about creating this NEW translation.
13:44 mtompset             You're probably right, jcamins. However, a librarian colleague of mine was thinking about doing a Filipino/Tagalog translation.
13:42 jcamins              mtompset: note that if you're using a release, you're much better off using the PO files that were included, generally speaking.
13:42 jcamins              It lets you download PO files.
13:42 jcamins              mtompset: click the Translate tab.
13:41 huginn               New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1. See page 194 of PBP." <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3752be09d3a3c4142a3dadbc306f8985a4234489> / Bug 4246 Follow-up updatedatabase <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=591bae324d77d285b27dfa6e10dc7001671f53cc> / Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 3 - Follow PBP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/
13:40 paul_p               cait = pushed
13:38 cait                 thanks
13:38 paul_p               reverting now
13:38 mtompset             Didn't save it, but that's progress.
13:38 paul_p               cait, ok got it
13:38 mtompset             Interesting... I put /download on the end of the link, and it got the file.
13:38 cait                 it's the last commit to TmplTokenizer.pm and it breaks perl translate install/update etc.
13:37 mtompset             and select a .po listed, I get thrown into the translate tab translating.
13:37 cait                 (Severity: 5)
13:37 cait                 Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1.  See page 194 of PBP.
13:37 cait                 the title is
13:37 cait                 paul_p: I can't see one :(
13:37 mtompset             If I go to the News tab....
13:36 mtompset             None of the tabs seem to be help, jcamins. If I'm on Overview, and click any of the three .po's listed, I get thrown into translating on the translate tab.
13:36 paul_p               cait= error: pathspec '583abead1b3d' did not match any file(s) known to git.. which bugnumber is it ?
13:34 cait                 or we need a follow up urgently
13:34 cait                 it totally breaks installing languages
13:33 cait                 paul_p: can you take a look at reverting 583abead1b3d537f78a3d558981b2e9abb2791ff?
13:32 jcamins              There are tabs along the top when you're looking at a language.
13:32 jcamins              mtompset: it's somewhere there.
13:32 mtompset             I don't want to try to translate anything.
13:31 mtompset             been there, jcamins, but I can't figure out how to grab a .po file...
13:31 * Oak                waves
13:30 jcamins              Cross-something?
13:30 jcamins              What do you call the algorithm for determing relevancy and co-occurrence?
13:29 wahanui              hmmm... translate.koha-community.org is back...
13:29 jcamins              translate.koha-community.org
13:29 mtompset             Hmmm... Where do I download .po files?
13:29 rangi                !
13:28 matts                \o/
13:28 oleonard             Signed off!
13:26 matts                rangi, patch 8229 submitted (but it only counts as as paw, or whiskers, not the entire kitty)
13:26 matts                oleonard, done
13:18 matts                oleonard, okay, thx
13:18 oleonard             matts: Line 80 and 82 of marc_subfields_structure.tt. Remove the URL leaving just the portion starting with #
13:17 jcamins              cait: maybe? That's what I'm thinking.
13:17 wahanui              it has been said that RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards
13:17 cait                 RDA?
13:16 jcamins              "The director at my library heard of a new MARC." <-- Huh?
13:16 libsysguy            but for poking away it should be ok :p
13:16 libsysguy            i'd be more than happy to show it off, i think its still a little early to show it for actual judgement
13:15 matts                oleonard, this bug is blocking me, i'll fix it right now if the fix is simple
13:15 jcamins              Yeah, I thought paul_p might be interested in seeing that work.
13:15 libsysguy            I am doing it in my proof
13:15 libsysguy            not for anything that is currently implemented
13:13 jcamins              libsysguy: didn't you do some work on DBIx::Class?
13:13 * marcelr            seeing lots of warnings like File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/testclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/images in staff error log
13:13 jcamins              paul_p++
13:12 oleonard             I'll submit a patch later today if no one beats me to it
13:11 oleonard             (my mistake, I must have missed editing those)
13:11 oleonard             The tab link has a full URL instead of just the anchor portion
13:11 oleonard             And a simple fix too
13:10 matts                okay, know bug, then
13:10 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly
13:10 oleonard             matts: Bug 8229
13:10 matts                hey #koha, mveron and I just found a bug on master : when modifying a marc framework, adding a new subfield causes a strange-wrong-inclusion of header within the page... Can someone confirm this ?
13:09 paul_p               jcamins = i'm back
13:08 rangi                heh
13:07 oleonard             Thanks for nothing Google.
13:07 oleonard             In an incognito mode browser k-c.org is the second result for Koha. In my "main" browser www.ccfls.org/about-koha is the top link!
13:06 rangi                know more about it than me
13:06 rangi                oleonard: mtj and wizzyrea
13:06 oleonard             Sometimes Google is just too clever for it's own (or anyone else's) good
13:06 rangi                yeah
13:06 libsysguy            I can't blame them
13:06 rangi                so i can understand it
13:06 rangi                does kinda look like spam
13:05 libsysguy            i think i remember reading something about that on their blog
13:05 rangi                a million links from one site
13:05 rangi                thats one guess
13:05 libsysguy            its becuase of the footer right?
13:05 rangi                i suspect they reverted their change, which is why you can find the site again
13:05 libsysguy            have we petitioned?
13:05 rangi                indexing is the same
13:05 rangi                no its just the way they rank it
13:04 rangi                they just changed the way the algorithm works and penalised us (and tons of others)
13:04 oleonard             It doesn't look to me like anything has changed about the way the site is indexed
13:04 jcamins              eythian: just adding an option to choose what you tell the Makefile.
13:04 rangi                since then we might work out their algorithm
13:04 eythian              jcamins: what does it require?
13:04 rangi                oleonard: no, they never ever ever do that
13:03 jcamins              eythian: right now the packages do not support DOM indexing, and I can't quite figure out how to add support for that. Any hints?
13:02 oleonard             Did we get specific feedback about it?
13:02 rangi                oleonard: it appears to have come right, but from all the reading it looks like to be safe we should change the link so they dont dump us again
13:00 mtompset             oldstable? sounds like Old Faithful. ;)
12:53 jcamins              eythian: oldstable works perfectly. :)
12:46 mtompset             Ah. Sounds like a useful utility. :)
12:45 oleonard             rangi did the Google indexing problem get resolved?
12:45 eythian              mtompset: no, it's a debian repository management utility
12:37 mtompset             Is that a script you wrote?
12:34 eythian              mtompset: because 'reprepro dumpunreferenced' told me
12:34 magnuse              ooh 196 kittens!
12:29 mtompset             I think http://youtu.be/sP4NMoJcFd4 is better. :P
12:28 slef                 the kittens thank you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxEHi6Mlzmk
12:27 jcamins              Thanks.
12:27 jcamins              Okay.
12:26 rangi                he's at lunch
12:23 jcamins              paul_p: around?
12:08 mveron               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPj0qgvfIs
12:08 mveron               Maybe you all know the following link, something to smile. It is in Spanish, but you will understand...
12:08 oleonard             mtompset: Yes, just now
12:06 mtompset             Did you get my message about the CSS not over-riding?
12:05 mtompset             Greetings, oleonard.
12:03 juan_sieira          hi oleonard
12:03 marcelr              hi oleonard
12:03 oleonard             Hi #koha
12:02 marcelr              goed, weer veilig thuis en zo
12:00 mveron               Hoe is het ermee?
11:57 marcelr              goedenmiddag :-)
11:57 mveron               hi marcelr
11:57 marcelr              hi koha, hi scotland
11:47 magnuse              juan_sieira: excellent! ;-)
11:46 juan_sieira          I'm creating a new bug in bugzilla
11:44 juan_sieira          I'm redoing a patch, and when I were editing marc_subfield_structure.tt I saw it. I cant finish it, without fix this error
11:43 magnuse              [off] http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi-bin/koha/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl?op=add_form&tagfield=020&frameworkcode=FA login: demo/demo
11:43 juan_sieira          it's not me, its a good - bad notice
11:43 magnuse              wow, that's weird
11:43 juan_sieira          uff¡, ok
11:43 magnuse              juan_sieira: yes, i see it
11:40 mveron               matts: 7294 ?
11:40 slef                 matts: watch...
11:40 slef                 matts: mveron says he is running away
11:40 cait                 nacht means night in German, so was wondering
11:39 cait                 ah :)
11:38 nacht                nope from Belgium i got this link on Kohacon12
11:38 cait                 hi nacht - german?
11:38 juan_sieira          magnuse, can you confirm this error in current master?
11:37 nacht                ow hey
11:37 magnuse              welcome, nacht
11:36 juan_sieira          Hi magnuse
11:35 matts                if you could test 7294 for signoff it would be greeeeeeeeat :)
11:35 matts                :)
11:35 matts                mveron, will you be my victim ?
11:35 matts                slef, okay !
11:35 nacht                first time here hy all
11:34 slef                 mtompset: locate koha-install-log || find /usr/share/koha -name koha-install-log
11:34 juan_sieira          at current master
11:34 slef                 mtompset: I guess /usr/share/koha/misc
11:34 mtompset             /path/to/koha-install-log? Where is it by default?
11:34 slef                 matts: if you want it today I think you will need to find a new victim. I've fires starting left right and centre
11:33 juan_sieira          firefox or chrome
11:33 juan_sieira          http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1976/adconstraints.png
11:33 juan_sieira          I saw it in this way ... now
11:33 juan_sieira          I got to confirm an error when editing subfields, in adminitration
11:33 magnuse              hola juan_sieira!
11:33 magnuse              jcamins: yay!
11:33 juan_sieira          hi,
11:33 jcamins              magnuse: yes, I'll push that to 3.6-testing now, and it'll go into 3.6.6.
11:31 jcamins              That's okay. Read the upgrading section in INSTALL.debian.
11:31 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7294 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , status "in order"
11:31 matts                slef, will you have a look at bug 7294 or shall i find another victim ? :)
11:31 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured
11:31 bengard              can someone sign off on my sign off on bug 7401 ?
11:31 mtompset             ubuntu. :P
11:31 clrh                 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests and after lunch I'll provide a new Continupous integration page :)
11:31 jcamins              mtompset: read INSTALL.debian.
11:30 mtompset             upgrading documentation?
11:30 jcamins              mtompset: did you read the section on upgrading in the install documentation?
11:30 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
11:30 magnuse              jcamins: any plans on getting the solution for bug 7894 into 3.6.x?
11:30 jcamins              mtompset: using tarball, packages, whichever.
11:30 mtompset             How do I transport my data and settings over then?
11:29 mtompset             from scratch?
11:29 jcamins              mtompset: install 3.8.1 in the same way you installed 3.6.3.
11:29 magnuse              thanks jcamins!
11:29 mtompset             What's the best way to upgrade to 3.8.1?
11:28 mtompset             Let's say I have 3.6.3 installed.
11:27 jcamins              sortmax.
11:27 jcamins              etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg
11:26 magnuse              hehe
11:26 cait                 I don#t know where I have seen it actually
11:26 cait                 I think it was on the mailinglist... or the wiki... or bugzilla
11:26 cait                 hmmm
11:26 magnuse              cait: is it documented anywhere?
11:26 cait                 magnuse: sth like a known issue, more sorting, slower...
11:26 cait                 magnuse: i think you have to change a zebra setting
11:24 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC
11:24 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Problem to view title details in OPAC result
11:24 magnuse              is there already a bug for records from number 1000 not being sorted properly? it's mentioned in bug 8225, which is mostly a duplicate of bug 7894 anyway
11:22 mtompset             how did you know it was unreferenced?
11:18 magnuse              eythian++
11:17 jcamins              Thanks.
11:16 eythian              jcamins: btw I cleaned all the old 3.2 stuff out of the repo, it was totally unreferenced.
11:15 mtompset             Thanks, magnuse, that is a useful link.
11:15 huginn               Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 39.0°C (4:00 PM PKT on June 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady).
11:15 Oak                  @wunder islamabad
11:14 mtompset             I was noticing that, for example, qw() can be qw/.../ or qw(...) or qw{   }?
11:14 magnuse              mtompset: something like http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines ?
11:14 kyleh_               http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-patent-prevents-students-from-sharing-books-120610/
11:13 mtompset             Out of curiosity, has anyone every discussed programming style?
11:13 Oak                  Greetings mtompset :)
11:12 mtompset             Greetings, Oak.
11:12 magnuse              Oak
11:12 Oak                  magnuse
11:11 * magnuse            waves
11:10 cait                 hi Oak and jcamins :)
11:10 jcamins              eythian: I'll take a look at the oldstable.
11:10 Oak                  :)
11:10 jcamins              Greetings.
11:10 Oak                  Ahoy jcamins and cait
11:09 Oak                  Brooke !
11:08 mveron               clrh: Thanks regarding 5335, already testing
11:04 rangi                righto looking now
11:02 dpavlin              rangi: 8180 and 8183 if possible :-)
11:01 rangi                what would you like me to test?
11:01 rangi                dpavlin: up and running now
10:59 rangi                ta
10:58 dpavlin              I will re-submit patch without that dependency
10:57 dpavlin_away         rangi: good catch. Just remove Koha from enable_if { $ENV{PLACK_DEBUG} } 'Debug',  panels => [
10:55 huginn               04Bug 5335: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , More granular VAT
10:55 clrh                 mveron: cait vat is back ;) http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5335
10:54 clrh                 julian_m: and Joubu enters the scoreboard ;) http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/
10:53 mtompset             Hello, Brooke.
10:52 wahanui              hi, Brooke
10:52 Brooke               howdy
10:52 mtompset             Greetings, #koha.
10:49 rangi                clrh: http://www.scotchwhiskyexperience.co.uk/
10:48 rangi                dpavlin_away: Can't locate Plack/Middleware/Debug/Koha.pm
10:43 eythian              jcamins_away: 3.6 packages are uploading into the 'oldstable' repo. Can you give it a bit of a test and if it looks good, I'll update the wiki
10:38 cait                 [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/Verbindungs-Einstellungen_002.png
10:37 Brooke               ahoy
10:37 jransom              heya brooke
10:36 cait                 http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=summary
10:36 rangi                git clone git://git.koha-community.org/release-tools.git
10:36 cait                 http://paste.koha-community.org/442
10:14 Brooke               how's it going?
10:14 cait                 hi Brooke
10:11 Brooke               hi cait
09:59 * Brooke             needs think over some of the listserv stuff.
09:59 Brooke               ta for all the hard work
09:59 Brooke               you have been very busy :D
09:59 Brooke               bonjour
09:58 paul_p               Hi Brooke !
09:57 Brooke               howdy tj
09:52 mib_sdyg8l           getting software error when clicking first title of the 2nd page to view title details ver. 3.6.4
09:49 mle                  i forgot my heafphones.  can anyone lend me some for editing?
09:36 mrenvoize            wikiwise.. we use "ConfirmAccount" + "ConfirmEdit" at a number of my wiki's the prevent the spam problem.. human spammers still get through to the admins, but as long as you've got a good number of admins on the wiki then it's reasonably easy to sort the cruft form the real users.
09:31 eythian              jcamins_away: almost have the oldstable ready to go, just adding the dependencies to it.
09:24 samuel               hi everybody
08:47 slef                 mveron: currently I think we have to beg gmcharlt or thd-away` to approve accounts manually, which does not scale.
08:46 slef                 mveron: wiki mail is down, sadly, because of the number of spammers. We need a better solution. Search irc logs for gmcharlt's comments
08:31 mveron               Still no confirmation mail for Wiki access. Would like to do some documentation for the age restriction functionality.
08:23 matts                hello !
08:21 alex_a               bonjour!
08:15 mveron               Good morning #koha
08:14 mrenvoize            good morning all (those in the uk anyways..)
08:14 sophie_m             good morning #koha
08:13 jransom              hi theree
08:13 clrh                 hello
07:27 * Oak                waves
07:17 drojf                good morning #koha
07:06 mle                  rummages about even
07:05 * mle                rummags for a kilt
07:05 mle                  ty for reminding me cait
07:00 julian_m             hello
06:53 cait                 slef: you want to leave?
06:52 cait                 hi mle - are you wearing your debian kilt today?
06:50 slef                 ok, place your bets... will I get home today, tomorrow or later? ;)
06:49 slef                 blurgh
06:46 mle                  hi cait, hi reivenue
06:44 reiveune             hi cait :)
06:44 cait                 hi reiveune :)
06:41 reiveune             hello
05:55 mtj                  woo, looks like i just sent you some 'topical' email rangi  :p
05:37 Oak                  to tray
05:37 Oak                  pressing close X button now closes xchat instead of minimizing it...
05:29 Oak                  ah
05:29 rangi                It had dropped right out of the results for a few days
05:29 rangi                Hmm can't recall
05:28 Oak                  or was it always like that? the "Official" part?
05:26 Oak                  "Official Website of the Koha Open Source ILS" \o/
05:25 rangi                Looks like its all fixed
05:25 rangi                Try googling for koha or koha community
05:25 Oak                  what happened?
05:25 Oak                  hey rangi :)
05:24 rangi                Yay
04:19 Oak                  hello druthb :)
04:19 druthb               hi, Oak! :)
04:18 * Oak                waves
02:47 mtj                  hmmm, looks close -> http://www.tt2.org/docs/modules/Template/Plugin/Dumper.html
02:46 jcamins              Good night.
02:46 jcamins              Well, after sleeping, which is the very best option of all.
02:46 jcamins              I think tying the hash would really be the best option.
02:46 jcamins              That would be very difficult to do.
02:45 mtj                  ... a way to dump all data-structures for a template object
02:45 mtj                  still, an interesting thing i would like to see...
02:43 mtj                  ok, i got it sorted now :p  - thanx for the brain-SLAP!!!
02:42 mtj                  click, you are correct here! :)
02:42 jcamins              And if it's an include, it shouldn't be page-specific.
02:42 mtj                  i was hoping that some currently available info was already being passed to the template
02:42 jcamins              Though, I'm also having trouble seeing why more than one Perl file would be calling a particular template, unless it's an include.
02:41 jcamins              It depends what the patch is for, but I feel pretty sure that it would make more sense to modify opac-main.
02:41 mtj                  i might just add that 1-liner to opac-main.pl - for the quick-fix :)
02:40 mtj                  yep, sure... i was trying for a patch that didnt modify opac-main.pl, needlessly
02:39 jcamins              Or, use the variable that tells you what your current URL is.
02:39 jcamins              (and whatever other pages you're interested in)
02:38 jcamins              Have opac-main.pl pass in a particular argument.
02:37 mtj                  so i'm trying to write a bit of TT code, to identify if it was generated by opac-main.pl, basically...
02:36 jcamins              Yeah, you'll definitely have to explain what you want to do.
02:35 mtj                  ... and see if any of that data contains and .pl or .tt strings
02:34 wahanui              "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
02:34 jcamins              First question?
02:34 jcamins              Okay, let's start over.
02:34 mtj                  yep
02:33 mtj                  basically, i need some code in a tt file, to identify what .pl or .tt file it was called with...
02:33 jcamins              You want to know the variables used by the template.
02:33 jcamins              That won't help.
02:33 jcamins              Hm.
02:33 mtj                  objects
02:32 mtj                  http://www.tt2.org/docs/manual/Variables.html#section_Objects
02:32 mtj                  oops! :)
02:32 jcamins              You sent a link to a brief writeup on BLOCKs.
02:31 mtj                  am i missing something stupid?
02:31 mtj                  hmm, no
02:31 jcamins              I think possibly you sent the wrong link?
02:30 mtj                  ...that looks pretty close to what i need
02:29 mtj                  well..., there's a tt code snippet showing a cgi object getting dumped to the screen
02:28 jcamins              mtj: in what way?
02:27 mtj                  ooh, that look like the solution? -> http://www.tt2.org/docs/manual/Variables.html#section_Local_and_Global_Variables
02:26 mtj                  http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=749813
02:26 mtj                  http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=641731
02:26 mtj                  i can see a few people asking the Q on perlmonks, but no real answer... :/
02:25 mtj                  heres a random T::T questions... how to see/dump all T::T variables used for a page generation?