Time Nick Message 23:30 * liw is ill and won't be able to come to the hackfest during the weekend (this sucks) 22:57 wajasu koha-commons ++ 22:56 atmanning after I finish this latest import I'll see how long it takes with the -z option Debian squeeze is noticeably faster than Ubuntu and the apt-get install koha-commons saved me lots of frustration with cpan and missing dependencies too. 22:56 wajasu had to grab a sshfs with hardlink support from http://www.miek.nl/s/87bbb3faf5/ 22:54 wajasu ok. i got my vm working, where if found a sshfs that supports hardlinks, so i could mount my host OS kohaclone workspace. i did a perl Makefile,make,make install. i just need to get my sshf mounted for apache to see. makes my kvm's smaller 22:50 slef bbl 22:50 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, Failed QA , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 22:50 slef @query zebra-queue-daemon 22:49 huginn` slef: downloading the Perl source 22:49 slef huginn`: you suck 22:49 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, Failed QA , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 22:49 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2505 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , enable Perl warnings in all modules and scripts 22:49 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, REOPENED , Remove use of XML::Simple 22:49 slef @query zebraqueue_daemon 22:49 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, Failed QA , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 22:49 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , False "no items" in search results [intranet] 22:49 slef @query zebraqueue daemon 22:49 huginn` slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, Failed QA , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio 22:49 slef @query zebra queue daemon 22:48 slef maybe tcohen not tajoli 22:47 slef atmanning: there is no faq on it but occasional anecdotes on server sizes are posted to the list. If you'd like more, ask. 22:46 slef atmanning: tajoli has a bug fix to bring back the old zebraqueuedaemon (runs only on demand) too 22:44 slef atmanning: the 5-min rebuild is only new items (-z), not everything 22:44 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. 22:44 slef @later tell sjeffrey seems like enh bugs are vital at the moment and rfcs somewhat optional. Expect new advice on that sometime soon 22:42 mtj yes, many people... 22:28 atmanning Anybody running Koha on an Amazon s3 instance? Seems like a nice way to try it out. 22:27 atmanning regarding rebuild - I'm finding that it takes about 30 minutes on a virtual machine guest Debian squeeze Koha 3.8 with 135000 book records, which isn't a very large library. Is there a faq that lists the system requirements? My 5-year old server with 2 Gig memory on a 2.4 GHz dual core cannot keep up it seems. I disabled the cron entry while importing.... 22:24 drojf paul_p: sandbox 10 configuration is missing, there is a koha 404 message instead http://pro.test10.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/sandbox.pl 22:14 drojf or dont mind your stuff showing up later 22:14 drojf you can run rebuild less often if you dont catalogue much 22:13 drojf atmanning: people want to see stuff they catalogue show up in the opac quickly 22:10 atmanning hey there folks - I've got a quick question regarding the rebuild-zebra.pl script - why is it configured to run every 5 minutes? This seems crazy with a large amount of books 21:55 drojf i knew it was a good idea to refuse to stand behind that thing :D 21:50 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded. 21:50 eythian @later tell cait http://ubuntuone.com/53mDgWqf1nsqtr7XHlxVfk <-- rangi / cait 21:36 aihsuser2 *in 21:36 aihsuser2 maybe a bug report/feature request is on order 21:36 aihsuser2 tried that, still shows errors in XML, 21:31 gmcharlt it's just not doing it 21:31 * gmcharlt notes that there is in fact a bug here, seemingly -- if no sets are defined in Koha, there is a way for it to say so in a compliant fashion 21:30 gmcharlt aihsuser2: eh, prbably something like (in the set definition) 245 subfield a = .* 21:19 aihsuser2 what would an easy set (all) look like? 21:18 aihsuser2 nope 21:17 gmcharlt aihsuser2: do you have any OAI sets defined via the relevant admin page? 21:16 SJeffery I think everyone is either at the conference or traveling right now 21:11 aihsuser2 you can see the full test results if you enter my server name  http://184.168.74.53:82/cgi-bin/koha/oai.pl into http://re.cs.uct.ac.za/ 21:09 aihsuser2 the more comprehensive test suite http://re.cs.uct.ac.za/ seems to think the errors are in the xml schema 21:08 SJeffery So if there is an enhancement that we want to take care of, do you just take care of it and push it, or do you RFC each one no matter how small? 21:08 aihsuser2 proceed with validation tests. 21:08 aihsuser2 No identifiers in response to ListIdentifiers. Without an identifier we cannot 21:08 aihsuser2 with the validation tests. 21:08 aihsuser2 contained no identifiers. Without at least one identifier, we cannot proceed 21:08 aihsuser2 [2] The response to the ListIdentifiers verb with metadataPrefix oai_dc 21:08 aihsuser2 [http://www.openarchives.org/OAI/2.0/openarchivesprotocol.htm#ListSets]. 21:08 aihsuser2 ListSets response must be the noSetHierarchy error. See 21:07 aihsuser2 exception message. If sets are not supported by the repository then the 21:07 aihsuser2 [1] Failed to extract any setSpec elements from ListSets but did not find an 21:07 aihsuser2 testing are listed below. 21:07 aihsuser2 according to our OAI protocol conformance tester. The errors received during 21:07 aihsuser2 yes their email reads : Unfortunately your repository did not validate at version 2.0 of the OAI-PMH 21:05 gmcharlt aihsuser2: did OAI give you informatino about the specific validation errors? 20:57 aihsuser2 Hey, I'm trying to register my koha server with oai and it failed the validation tests. Anyone know what a proper config for them might look like? 20:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8214 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Create a bound with function 20:36 SJeffery Bug 8214 20:34 SJeffery Thanks for the effort:) 20:20 drojf dont find anything on linking items, but maybe too tired ;) 20:20 sekjal time for the weekend to begin! have a good one, #koha! best wishes to all hackfesters 20:16 SJeffery This is my first Koha bug report and dont want it to be some sort of dupe. 20:16 drojf ah. sorry, im tired and slow right now :D i'll try a search. i looked at all bugs regarding linking a while ago and at that time there was nothing like that 20:14 SJeffery That there is no bug (enhancement) currently in for the bound-with function? I can't find anything under that name but someone else might refer to it using a different tern. 20:13 drojf SJeffery: confirm what exactly? 20:10 cait-m_ thx drojf 20:09 drojf goodnight cait-m_ 20:09 SJeffery I do not see any bugs in for this, can someone confirm before I write it all out? 20:09 cait-m_ bye all 20:09 drojf is "one seventh of a bag contains" a valid uk measure or the most arbitrary way to print a small number of calories on a bag of sweets? 20:09 cait-m_ sleep 20:09 cait-m_ ok 20:06 cait-m_ mean phone 20:06 SJeffery Is it a sign when you make a typo when writing the word typos? 20:05 cait-m_ on phone 20:05 cait-m_ typos 20:05 cait-m_ sorry for tips 20:05 cait-m_ with a link to the actual item rdcord in the item note 20:04 cait-m_ creating dummy items 20:04 cait-m_ what one of or,libraries does is 20:03 SJeffery *shakes fist at person (long deceased) who thought binding USGS bulletins together was a good idea* 20:02 SJeffery Yes. 20:01 cait-m_ we are talking about thongs being bkund together? 20:01 cait-m_ and then link 20:00 cait-m_ the item goes on the record of the first work 20:00 cait-m_ i think you could perhaps misuse easyanalytics foe that 19:59 sekjal the data structure is also such that linking an item to multiple biblios would require a massive restructuring of core tables 19:56 SJeffery Seems to be a feature that is just plain missing. I doubt that non-academic libraries run into the issue so that would explain its lack. 19:54 drojf we do horizontal relations locally in with field 777, but on the biblio level by linking to the control number. but that won't help you then i guess 19:50 SJeffery Yes. The trick is that they both have the exact same barcode. 19:49 drojf SJeffery: do you mean a horizontal relationship between items of different biblios? like item1.1 (belonging to biblio1) is related to ("bound with" in your case) item2.1 (belonging to biblio2)? 19:35 sekjal problem is, permanent_location isn't mapped to MARC at all 19:34 sekjal schuster: I think you'd need to set the shelving location to PROC on the imported items. The real shelving location gets stashed in permanent_location, I think 19:29 schuster I'm looking at the Adding item process and "In Processing Center" When we add them manually it says that but when we load them say from a disk it doesn't. What else do we need to do for them to come up in processing center? 19:26 sekjal great! 19:24 SJeffery ok, yeah, I have seen that one. Depending on how analytics support looks in August and what is in the pipeline I am going to try to spec out and fund a bunch of improvements to analytics. 19:22 sekjal it's been overwritten by the Analytics spec that OSS Labs did... but here's the historical link: http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Analytic_Record_support&oldid=1174 19:19 SJeffery <--The only person more obsessed about analytics than Jared 19:19 SJeffery sekjal: Do you have a link to the spec? I am not sure I have seen that one. 19:18 SJeffery It really should not be handled at the biblio level (other than a link to the other items it is bound with)...would need to happen on the item level 19:18 SJeffery Well crud. ok. I will submit an enhancement bug for it. 19:17 sekjal I'm not sure if the current Analytics implementation is complete enough to handle that yet, but the spec I wrote for it would allow for such. The actually two-volume item would be allowed to 'pass through' to both biblios 19:16 sekjal the two biblios (12 and 13) would point to a third (12 + 13 together) that would have the item in question 19:16 sekjal I *think* you can do that with analytics... but you'd need a third biblio 19:15 sekjal ah, okay, so two biblios need to point to the same item record 19:13 SJeffery Hmm, not sure we are thinking the same thing. I have always heard it referred to as "bound with". So you have two monographs (bulletin #'s 12 and 13) that someone bound together in the past. 19:12 sekjal SJeffery: so, a biblio would have items, and those items would in turn be composed of other biblios? 19:04 SJeffery Does Koha currently have the ability to handle items that contain multiple items (each with their own separate bib records)? 18:55 drojf dpavlin: i have added the Search.pm line to your example on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Understanding_Zebra_indexing. i will put up the configuration examples for my talk somewhen during hackfest 18:26 drojf could use that now 18:26 drojf http://fudgehouse.co.uk/ 18:25 drojf i think tesco is open until 23 here 18:25 cait ah no, didn't notice that 18:25 drojf did you see that one of our busses drove along the fudge shop? 18:25 cait I was thinking about some juice and crackers 18:25 cait do you know how long the supermarkets are open here? 18:25 cait ah 18:25 drojf too lazy to get up and go to tesco :( 18:24 cait heh 18:23 drojf should have packed some 18:23 drojf i would like my sweets from the asian restaurant now 18:22 drojf nice. i begin to fear that now that i am finally in bed i am too tired to sleep 18:22 cait and there is not really a desk in here to put the laptop on 18:21 cait took a nap, feeling better 18:21 drojf heh. are you? 18:21 cait everyone hiding in bed now? 18:21 cait lol 18:21 drojf happy birthday, druthb 18:20 * drojf peeks in from his bed 18:18 * mtompset waves bye. 18:18 mtompset Perhaps you should too, Oak. ;) 18:18 mtompset I'm taking off. 18:15 mtompset I figured my north american koha folks might be able to help me with things. :) 18:11 mtompset There was a power failure a couple hours ago. Woke up as a result. 18:11 mtompset 2:10AM. 18:10 Oak what time it is in your world? 18:09 Oak 23:08 :) 18:09 mtompset What time is it there, Oak? It seems like it would be drastically after hours. 18:01 mtompset It would seem customization of OPAC is much easier than the Staff client. 18:00 mtompset Yes, hello, cait. 18:00 Oak OKAY 18:00 mtompset It's for the STAFF client. 18:00 Oak cait! hello. 18:00 mtompset Also, let's make this tougher... 17:59 Oak Ahoy mtompset 17:59 mtompset Hey, Oak. 17:59 * Oak waves 17:59 mtompset Nice, but that doesn't work for me. 17:57 cait heh 17:57 eythian my easy way of doing that sort of thing is to ask one of our design team :) 17:57 eythian probably 17:50 mtompset Let's say I want to make a 8 pixel blue border (have a nice graphic) around my koha pages... is there an easy way to do that? 17:49 mtompset Me too. 17:49 eythian I usually spend a large amount of time making things work 17:49 eythian mtompset: not especially. 17:47 mtompset Okay, I get it. 17:47 slef and on a phone keyboard 17:47 slef splat but more so 17:46 slef it was a bit wet and blowy up that hill 17:46 mtompset What is zplut? 17:46 slef zplut 17:44 huginn` gmcharlt: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010) 17:44 gmcharlt @quote random 17:42 mtompset Are you any good at CSS, eythian? 17:39 eythian so there'll be access points all over the uni 17:39 eythian it's not conference wifi, it's uni wifi I think 17:33 mtompset (newer versions, that is) 17:31 mtompset 100 yards = 300 feet = the n standard. 17:31 mbalmer Maybe 100-200 yards more 17:30 mbalmer dunno, momtpset 17:29 mtompset How far is it away, mblamer? 17:29 mtompset ^behing^behind^ 17:28 mtompset I suppose being behing a proxy VM makes things get mangled enough that the default rules don't work. 17:28 mtompset It works. 17:28 mtompset Interesting. 17:26 mtompset I'm restarting apache. 17:26 mtompset I've changed it to the default rewrites. 17:22 mbalmer The conferenc wifi is amazing, works even in the pub (which is not on the campus, btw) 17:22 druthb_lunching If you've got the NameVirtualHost/VirtualHost/ServerName directives right, and *if* (the bigger if) you have networking all okay on the VM--about which I cannot help much--then it should Just Work with the default rewrites. 17:21 mtompset and restart apache. 17:21 mtompset Now, I'll undo the rewrites, as shown in my paste above. 17:20 mtompset They are. 17:20 druthb_lunching no. They should be the same as the NameVirtualHost command, *:80. The ServerName directives must be different. 17:20 mtompset Hmm.... should they be <VirtualHost library:80> and <VirtualHost library-admin:80>? 17:19 mbalmer Hi from doctors pub... 17:19 mtompset I have two <VirtualHost *:80> sections 17:18 mtompset http://mibpaste.com/AcAyD6 17:18 sekjal hi, mtompset 17:18 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Loyola Heights, Quezon City, Philippines is 25.6°C (1:10 AM PHT on June 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 17:18 mtompset @wunder MNL 17:18 mtompset literally for me. :) 17:17 bag morning 17:17 mtompset Hello, bag and sekjal. 17:16 mtompset Okay... looking at my /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf 17:16 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.3°C (10:15 AM PDT on June 08, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 17:16 bag @wunder 93109 17:15 * druthb runs to grab some lunch. 17:15 mtompset SSH'ing in... 17:14 mtompset Okay... working... 17:13 mtompset That's the problem with DHCP... I didn't choose a static for this. 17:13 mtompset Just confirming IP address is the same. 17:11 huginn` sekjal: The current temperature in Computer Science Bldg - University of Massachusetts, Amherst, Massachusetts is 25.2°C (1:10 PM EDT on June 08, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 17:11 sekjal @wunder 01003 17:10 mtompset Interesting cross-state border town. :) 17:10 mtompset I have a few friends near Kansas City, MO. 17:09 druthb well, yes. Bone-dry here, lately; haven't had any rain at all in a couple of weeks. 17:09 mtompset I rebooted the VM ... this time it looks like it is booting. 17:08 mtompset Much nicer humidity. :) 17:08 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.8°C (12:07 PM CDT on June 08, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 17:08 druthb @wunder 66046 17:08 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Loyola Heights, Quezon City, Philippines is 24.9°C (1:06 AM PHT on June 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 255%. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 17:07 mtompset @wunder MNL 17:07 mtompset There was a power failure here. It's 1AM. 17:07 druthb Central US. 17:07 mtompset So, what timezone are you in? 17:06 mtompset I hate the black start ups. 17:06 * mtompset wonders if his VM is booting. 17:03 mtompset I'm running this on my netbook. 17:03 mtompset I wish I had a more powerful machine. 17:02 wahanui druthb: sorry... 17:02 druthb shup, wahanui. 17:02 wahanui coolness is a factor way the hell down your list, though it's on there. The ability to do your editing in your Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard. 17:02 druthb coolness. 17:02 mtompset I actually have a network IP address. :) 17:02 mtompset My VM sits on my network in bridged adapter mode. 17:01 druthb yeah, I've done that stunt--putting them in the hosts file as 127.0.0.1, then setting up port forwarding on the Virtualbox interfaces. 17:01 mtompset I then tweaked my Ubuntu hosts to include them as well. 17:00 mtompset (OPAC and Staff Clients respectively) 17:00 mtompset I tweaked my Windows 7 hosts to include library and library-admin 16:59 mtompset I had to make the same changes even without a proxy redirect. 16:59 druthb :) 16:59 mtompset Booting my local koha VM. :) 16:58 mtompset Anys... I'll start with the simpler problem.. :) 16:58 mtompset ^begin^behind^ 16:57 mtompset is sitting being a VM that is a proxy redirect server... 16:57 mtompset the VM that is the koha server.... 16:57 mtompset The other mess.... 16:56 druthb it may be 000-default 16:56 druthb remove that, with a2dissite default, then restart apache. 16:55 mtompset Well, the default: It works! 16:55 druthb (In other words, *do* use the default file, and change only the ServerName and VirtualHost directives. Strongly recommend.) It should...are there other sites on the server? 16:55 mtompset I tried it without changing the rewrites, and it didn't work. 16:54 druthb If you're using the default koha-conf.httpd file, you won't need to change the Rewrites. 16:54 mtompset Is that correct? 16:54 mtompset I had to expressly put the name into them. 16:54 mtompset Okay... but what about the rewrite rules? 16:53 druthb yep. Just use NameVirtualHost *:80, then in each of your <VirtualHost *:80> stanzas, use a different ServerName value. 16:53 mtompset Are either of you familiar with configuring apache such that the name directs to OPAC or staff client on the server? 16:51 druthb :) Thanks. 16:51 mtompset Happy Birthday, druthb. 16:46 dpavlin birthday... of course... But it was longish day :-) 16:46 druthb Thanks, dpavlin! :) 16:46 dpavlin druthb: happy birtday! 16:38 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 16:27 * mveron Is on the way to doctors pub... 16:25 mbalmer heh, excuses, excuses .. ;P 16:25 * sekjal totally would, but is on the wrong side of the Atlantic... also at work 16:23 mbalmer no one to join me and mveron? 16:16 mbalmer or any other pub, fwiw.. (as long it is in edinburgo) 16:15 mbalmer doctors pub, anyone? 15:45 mleaway : ) 15:36 marcelr bye mleaway do not miss your bus stop 15:35 mleaway good to meet you marcelr 15:35 * mleaway waves from the bus 15:34 marcelr hi cait 15:33 cait-m_ and bye - trying to get some rest :-) 15:32 cait-m_ hey 15:31 * druthb hugs cait-m_ 15:21 wajasu well then, i'll make my vm creation script git pull from a configurable repo (could be my local one with a git daemon), and periodically git pull/fetch/ my local one. then my vm's will pul from that. 15:19 reiveune bye 15:18 dpavlin wajasu: you will have to thank git developers, not us ;-) 15:17 wajasu so git is bidirectional in a sense 15:17 dpavlin argh! git add *remote* upstream git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 15:17 dpavlin "upstream" is arbitrary name of remote which you can change 15:16 wajasu you made my day jcamins and dpavlin 15:16 mleaway so i found the koha enclave! 15:16 dpavlin and then: git pull upstream master (or git fetch upstream ; git merge upstream/master) 15:15 dpavlin just git add remove upstream git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git 15:15 wajasu i love git 15:15 dpavlin yap. 15:15 wajasu might need to ask that on git channel 15:13 wajasu if gits repo is immutable that is? 15:12 wajasu i.e. change my upstream git repo? 15:12 wajasu if i clone the koha-comminity (2GB). then clone locally from that (call it myclone). can i git pull from the koha-community git repo later from myclone? 15:10 jcamins_away wajasu: hardlinks are good too, if you really want separate kohaclones. 15:10 jcamins_away wajasu: yeah, *much* better. 15:08 wajasu no hardlinks huh. i'll look into a local git clone instead of hitting koha-community too much. 15:03 jcamins_away (rdb = resolve database) 15:03 wajasu nice. 15:03 jcamins_away I ended up writing a large script to handle that. 15:02 jcamins_away Don't use the git tr. 15:02 jcamins_away wajasu: I use git aliases to handle all the branch making for me. 15:02 jcamins_away http://paste.koha-community.org/439 15:01 jcamins_away wajasu: actually, I do something even better... 14:57 wajasu do you just git clone every time you set up an working patch dev environment? or just periodically git pull, and create branches? as the pastebin looks like 14:54 wajasu i have it sharing the same database, yes in the vm. I can also koha-create other databases in the vm. 14:53 jcamins_away If they're all sharing the same database, you can only edit things with one at a time. 14:53 jcamins_away I'm not sure why you'd want to do that. 14:53 wajasu i have this nice vm script (generates vm environments. kvm, lxc, squeeze, wheezy, whatever. but if i configure it so that i can maintain one host os based git repo, but mounted in the vm, i can save space in the vm's and generate git dev users per patch that i can fix/test with. 14:52 jcamins_away wajasu: exactly, you can have as many branches as you want in git, and update whenever you want. 14:51 jcamins_away wajasu: that was for you. 14:51 jcamins_away http://paste.koha-community.org/438 14:51 jcamins_away Where's pastebot? 14:51 jcamins_away Hmmm... 14:50 wajasu is the idea with git, that i can just git pull to get new changes, ad infinitum? and just do git -b mybranch v3.08.01 or such? 14:49 jcamins_away (but then you wouldn't be able to use sshfs, since I don't think hardlinks are possible via sshfs) 14:49 jcamins_away Alternatively, use git clone -l from your central clone. 14:48 jcamins_away wajasu: yes, but why would you use different users? 14:48 hdl1 wajasu: investigate git clone -l 14:47 wajasu to save repeated git clone. 14:46 * wajasu wonders if as far as git devel goes. is this workflow possible? mount git kohaclone repo in a vm, running as koha-patchNNNN user with working branch selected as kohapatchNNNN such that each user gets a consistent environment. logging in as a different koha-patchNNNN user would give a new context/git branch. of course only one branch/env could be worked on at a time. 14:46 mleaway marcelr thanks then i will come by soon 14:45 marcelr yes some folks still are 14:45 schuster Ah thanks.. 14:44 mleaway anyone still in teviot? 14:44 jcamins_away schuster: there aren't global duedates anymore. You set it in the circ rules. 14:43 schuster So where is the syspref to set a "Max duedate"? 14:31 jcamins_away Hello. 14:31 wizzytab heyas 14:31 druthb hi, wizzytab. :) 14:31 jcamins_away Oh, tablet. 14:31 jcamins_away Hehe. 14:30 wahanui tab is under advanced otpions 14:30 jcamins_away tab? 14:30 wizzytab hi 14:17 * wajasu wonder if there is a way to prevent that, since it would have been done during my original databse install. 14:16 wajasu i hit the staff interface, and the webinstaller came up. and i had to step through the steps again. 14:14 wajasu so when i ran my git dev setup, i chose to resuse my koha database previously set up. 14:13 jcamins wajasu: that would work, yes. 14:10 wajasu i'm wondering if i have my koha git repo in my host OS, then maybe I can just mount it in the guest os with sshfs or such to keep my vm's lighter.. 14:08 wajasu my vm with standard debian + koha-common + git kohaclone + build-essential is about 2.6GB Those .po translations add up. 14:07 wajasu when one installs make for debian for the dev environment, does one usually install build-essential? 14:06 wajasu when i ran the kohaclone git dev environment, it seemed to create my virtualhost at 127.0.1.1:8080. so i just made it *:8080 so my NameVirualHost *:8080 would match. 14:01 jcamins Thanks. 14:01 marcelr ok i will copy that 14:00 jcamins I think "Record bib popularity in totalissues" makes sense. 13:59 marcelr give me the new name 13:59 jcamins Actually, I don't like the subject on the squashed one. 13:59 jcamins marcelr: whoops! I'll obsolete the other two. 13:58 marcelr squashed? 13:58 * wajasu wonders if i should just enable it but have it run at different ports 90/9090 13:58 marcelr jcamins: here comes the but... did you see what happened with the third patch on report 6557? 13:57 * wajasu gets his git env running in a virtual machine, sharing the debian install (perl deps + apache + mysql database) as a separately enabled site. 13:55 marcelr and well documented test plans! 13:55 marcelr jcamins++ for solid code in 6557 too 13:55 jcamins I would *love* to kill off C4::AuthoritiesMarc and replace it with Koha::Record::Authority, Koha::Search::*, and Koha::Something::Authorities 13:55 marcelr jcamins++ for that 13:54 * jcamins is hoping to do some of that with the big authority developments coming up. 13:53 marcelr yeah 13:52 jcamins The way to fix the performance issue, of course, is to make Koha::Record::Biblio and Koha::Record::Item more sensible, with only a single call to retrieve record data. 13:49 sekjal so long as they're organized and searchable.... 13:49 marcelr i understand 13:48 jcamins marcelr: yeah, we do have rather a lot of sysprefs. However, I don't really see a way around it. 13:48 marcelr jcamins: when we have 1000 prefs, we should put something on top of it :-) 13:47 jcamins Me too! 13:47 sekjal I look forward to it all being handled with DOM 13:46 jcamins sekjal: my reasoning was that a 10k volume reserve collection could have popularity changing as often as several times a day. 13:45 sekjal choices++ 13:45 sekjal jcamins: it's syspref controllable, with a clear warning 13:45 medmondson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_Building#Problems 13:44 jcamins I figured it was easy enough to be worth adding for very small libraries. 13:44 slef bbml 13:44 jcamins I guess in hindsight I shouldn't have offered an update-at-circ option. 13:44 slef well yeah the building's a bit odd 13:43 slef ah 13:43 slef ok we're off again... bbml 13:43 medmondson a farce of a construction project and very badly built 13:43 medmondson (liek the edinburgh trams) 13:43 medmondson the scottish parliament is a joke. 13:43 medmondson i might come over to Teviot 13:43 slef we should have one of these in England 13:42 * slef wanders around the parliament 13:42 mbalmer and some kohaistas ;) 13:41 medmondson good cheap coffee : ) 13:41 mbalmer still the students bar 13:40 medmondson ola where are you at mbalmer? 13:40 sekjal hi, mbalmer 13:40 mbalmer ola 13:35 sekjal ok. adding a comment, and assigning to you for QA 13:30 marcelr ok will look and change status 13:30 sekjal the more eyes, the better 13:28 marcelr shall i have a look too? 13:28 sekjal sure 13:28 marcelr we could just suggest follow up? 13:28 sekjal I think I've come down on the side of "it's okay" 13:27 sekjal marcelr: it's really solid code. I was deciding whether or not the inefficiency noted was worth blocking QA... 13:27 marcelr sekjal you made a comment on the bug but is still on Signed off? 13:25 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6557 normal, P3, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , biblioitems.totalissues unused 13:25 marcelr hi ian; what is status of bug 6557 ? 13:24 sekjal marcelr: mostly 13:24 marcelr sekjal around? 13:00 * wajasu continues configuring git based dev environment against a debian package install whilst reusing a koha_biblio db and zebra server. 12:46 druthb ! 12:46 * druthb is allowed some silliness today---erm. more silliness than usual. She is a crazy ol' lady, after all. 12:45 druthb :P 12:45 * jcamins gives druthb a funny look from across the table. 12:45 druthb fancy meeting you here. 12:45 druthb ! 12:45 wahanui hmmm... jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert 12:45 druthb jcamins! 12:45 * druthb perks up. 12:45 wahanui hello, marcelr 12:45 marcelr hi 12:45 jcamins_away o/ 12:28 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded. 12:28 mtompset @later tell oleonard I tried the CSS over-riding idea, but reset-fonts-grids (or whatever it is) isn't over-ridden by the CSS set to replace staff-global.css 12:26 mtompset I guess oleonard isn't here? 12:25 mtompset Hello, #koha. 12:00 medmondson \o 11:49 druthb o/ 11:40 medmondson coffee ordered for Sunday morning at 10ish 11:14 medmondson So I think I will order coffee for Sunday monring 11:13 medmondson ... Amphian will NOT be open on Sunday (Library bar) will be open from 12 noon 11:13 medmondson "KahaCon 12 Conference" 11:13 medmondson Teviot bookings manager needs to be reminded how to spell koha 11:12 medmondson lol 11:12 medmondson 11:41 < mbalmer> so, is anyone else in edinburg who did not go the highlands-in-rain tour? 10:41 mbalmer so, is anyone else in edinburg who did not go the highlands-in-rain tour? 10:39 medmondson ah yes 10:39 mbalmer the bars here serve good coffee, so... 10:38 medmondson (do we need coffee deliverd for the hackfest) 10:36 medmondson morning 10:34 marijana great :) 10:34 mbalmer yes, wireless works like a charm 10:33 mbalmer I am sitting in the new amphon cafe (the big one) on the balcony with mveron 10:33 marijana so wireless works at the university? 10:33 marijana we are still at the hotel, but will come 10:33 mbalmer are you at the university, marijana? 10:32 marijana morning mbalmer 10:30 mbalmer morning 10:23 mveron marjana: Hi, mbalmer and mveron are New Amphon at the conference site. Wlan works. 10:17 rangi Hi mveron we are doing the bus tour round the city 09:26 mveron Hi #koha in Edinburgh and all over the world 08:50 mtompset Oak_. :) 08:50 mtompset See you later, Oak. 08:50 mtompset Well, I'm feeling the need to collapse. Long day. 08:50 wahanui hat is probably supposed to protect you from environmental events, not cause them like that one might 08:50 mtompset hat? 08:49 huginn` Oak_: The operation succeeded. 08:49 Oak_ @later tell cait http://web.nmsu.edu/~aero/ET280/Assignment_2/HatFanB.jpg 08:39 * eythian disconnects to save battery. 08:35 eythian AndChat on android. 08:33 mtompset What kind of phone, and what application? 08:33 eythian Yeah 08:33 mtompset Are you using your phone to irc chat? 08:32 eythian rangi / cait: I'm in the lobby now. 08:08 mtompset With a humidity over 90% supposedly, a hair dryer is kind of important. :) 08:03 rangi ahh, well we have plenty of time 08:03 cait k 08:03 rangi ok, lobby in 30? 08:03 cait my hair is still wet and no hair dryer here 08:02 cait I will take a bit longer 08:02 rangi cool, lobby in 20? 08:02 eythian Not a bad idea. 08:00 rangi i thought maybe where we went yesterday, or something like that 08:00 eythian Yeah in 15-20 mins or so. 07:59 rangi eythian even 07:59 rangi eythia / cait : want to get some breakfast soonish? 07:59 eythian I suppose I should get out of bed and have breakfast then... 07:58 mtompset Today I spent 5, because I forgot my SSH port number. :) 07:58 rangi please 07:58 rangi excellent!, if anyone sees any one else like martin, let them know too 07:58 mtompset I remember spending 15 minutes trying to debug something similar, and it was something that simple. 07:58 paul_p OK, rangi, see you in 2 hours at waverly then 07:57 rangi mtompset: nope was a good question 07:57 * mtompset shrugs, "Was I wrong to ask the person to make sure the server was powered on and had a cable plugged in?" 07:57 rangi ahh 07:57 cait it's 2 stations from where they got out 07:56 rangi i think maybe you went there on the bus from the airport? 07:56 rangi waverly is the big train station 07:56 francharb hi all 07:55 rangi it has a nice map 07:55 rangi http://www.edinburghtour.com/our-tours/city-sightseeing-multi-language-english-subtitles.html 07:55 rangi paul_p: on that page, if you download the pdf 07:55 paul_p rangi = where is waverly ? 07:55 rangi ok, lets say that is the plan :) 07:55 KMLC paul = when i try to save the sql it says error 1 07:55 rangi to get on and off 07:55 paul_p yep. 07:54 rangi it goes every 20 mins, and takes 1 hour to do the loop, so taht should give us plenty of time 07:54 paul_p we should I don't know, but we could, for sure ;-) 07:54 rangi should we say meet at waverly at 11? 07:54 paul_p rangi = biblibre is about to go out for breakfast 07:53 paul_p rangi = about the bus trip, do you have a plan (time,...) ? 07:52 paul_p KMLC for me it works, just tested 07:52 paul_p KMLC = which one ? 07:52 KMLC paul = it throws an error 07:52 mtompset cable to server is unplugged. 07:52 mtompset server is powered off. 07:52 mtompset unable to connect to destination could be the result of several things. 07:51 mtompset Is your server running? 07:50 eythian Cya bag 07:49 rangi night bag, sleep well 07:48 bag be well 07:48 bag all right - good night everyone 07:48 rangi bus starts at waverly bridge (where the big station is) thats where you can buy tickets 07:44 mib_xa7kh2 pls cant access koha..i'm getting unable to connect to destination.. 07:41 slef bbml 07:41 Oak for uploading the photos 07:41 slef ok now I really get breakfast before they stop serving. mtompset: nengard posted some commentary, videos later 07:41 Oak nengard++ 07:40 wahanui salut, Joubu 07:40 Joubu hi 07:40 paul_p KMLC, try SELECT substr(timestamp,10,0),user,count(*) FROM action_logs WHERE module='CATALOGUING' and action='ADD' GROUP BY substr(timestamp,10,0),user 07:39 mtompset if the end-users are the monopoly, they do. :P 07:39 rangi yep, monopolies always work out great for end users 07:39 Oak like world dominance 07:39 mtompset It's still an interesting idea to ponder. ;) 07:38 paul_p KMLC, try SELECT substr(timestamp,10,0),user,count(*) FROM action_logs WHERE module='CATALOGUING' and action='ADDING' GROUP BY substr(timestamp,10,0),user 07:38 slef it is not possible 07:38 slef mtompset: I was not serious 07:38 mtompset the companies might not like it, but it has merit as an idea. :) 07:37 slef mtompset: I suggested locking down the community and merging the support companies 07:37 slef paul_p: ok np. I will bring ours 07:36 mtompset So, what was the thing that you thought everyone would hate? 07:36 paul_p slef = nope :( 07:36 slef paul_p: did you bring a projector? 07:36 rangi mtompset: it was good, funny, thought provoking 07:36 slef mtompset: no idea. got some ppl talking 07:35 paul_p edinburghtour.com is a good idea. 07:35 bag not yet - but very close 07:35 paul_p 'morning rangi. 07:35 paul_p hi bag. Any (good) news ? 07:34 mtompset when you say, "Can't access?" What sort of errors do you get? 07:34 KMLC paul = cataloguing logging is on = can u help with building a query 07:34 bag morning paul_p 07:34 mtompset his logging is on. :) 07:34 bag HA 07:33 bag morning pastebot 07:33 mib_xa7kh2 hello everybody..i cant access my koha is there any method to restore it.. 07:33 rangi ahh there is paul_p :) 07:33 paul_p KMLC = you should activate cataloguing logging in syspref and build a query with action_logs table 07:33 eythian Heh 07:33 bag no kidding.. I feel like I'm egging you all on 07:33 eythian bag: vicarious drinking, eh? 07:32 wahanui somebody said schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 07:32 bag schema? 07:32 KMLC I have 3 staff simultaneously cataloguing.. i need to generate a daily report where i can monitor how many books each staff has catalogued as well as get a list of the books that they have entered individually 07:31 KMLC hi .. can anyone help me with my query on reports 07:31 huginn` bag: The operation succeeded. 07:31 bag @later tell druthb HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 07:30 bag eythian: I want to see a good picture of you and rangi tasting some scotch ;) 07:30 rangi thanks, you too 07:30 mtompset how did the presentation go, slef? 07:30 slef enjoy the day... bbl 07:29 rangi hehe cool 07:29 slef I'm up a volcano with no mobile phone coverage so call the co-op ;) 07:29 bag talk to the fist 07:29 rangi talk to the hand? 07:29 bag well it's less than two weeks for Baby Dragon's arrival (good excuse ;) ) 07:29 slef rangi: if anyone needs anything kohacon-related today... 07:28 bag morning slef 07:28 slef bag: can we report your absence as a bug to bywater? Miss you 07:28 rangi yep 07:28 rangi the biblibrans were planning to hop on round 9, and martin 07:28 bag hey john brice came with him too right? 07:28 rangi i hope kyle pops up on irc 07:28 huginn` slef: The current temperature in Edinburgh Airport, United Kingdom is 13.0°C (8:20 AM BST on June 08, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). 07:28 slef @wunder Edinburgh, United Kingdom 07:27 rangi hehe 07:27 bag oh man I'm on the next plane - doing the bus touristica and sipping whiskey with eythian and rangi - That's too much too miss 07:26 rangi so yeah, easily i think 07:26 rangi eythian: last bus is 5.40pm 07:25 eythian bag: sounds like a hop on/off tour could be combined with whiskey tasting quite feasibly :) 07:24 mtompset Ah, I see. I keep forgetting the timezone difference. :) 07:23 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 11.7°C (8:15 AM BST on June 08, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady). 07:23 mtompset @wunder EDI 07:23 rangi but ppl are still just waking up 07:23 bag eythian: go scotch tasting ;) 07:23 rangi its a hop on hop off, multilingual, buses ever 20 mins 07:22 rangi im leaning towards http://www.edinburghtour.com/our-tours/city-sightseeing-multi-language-english-subtitles.html 07:22 eythian Hi. Has a plan been planned yet? 07:21 marcelr hi rangi 07:21 rangi wb eythian and good morning marcelr 07:19 mtompset Or at least a nice header for the login screen. 07:19 Oak hello cait :) 07:18 mtompset But no Staffheader? 07:18 mtompset OPACheader. 07:17 mtompset So, how is it that we can have a nice banner for OPAC, but not the staff client? 07:17 cait still sleepy :) 07:16 * cait waves 07:16 bag well go SBA 07:16 bag go LA! 07:16 rangi 13.5 flight from auckland to LA 07:16 mtompset Oh, sucky transit visa mess. 07:16 rangi takes about as long, and you need a transit visa 07:16 mtompset I don't see why you couldn't have flown through the US. 07:15 mtompset Is that the shortest route? 07:15 rangi well the bulk of it was flying it is a long way 07:14 mtompset GAH! Too many stop-overs... that's why it was two days. 07:14 rangi about 27 hours of being in planes, 9-10 in airports 07:13 rangi 2 in auckland 07:13 rangi stopped for 3 hours in singapore, 3 in london 07:13 mtompset without CLEAN clothes. 07:13 bag 3 days without clothes :( 07:13 mtompset What were your stop overs, rangi? 07:12 reiveune I'm jealous :-p 07:12 mtompset 2 days travel?! 07:11 rangi cait / reiveune: http://www.edinburghtour.com/our-tours/city-sightseeing-multi-language-english-subtitles.html 07:11 bag (shitty) 07:11 rangi was only the first day, but 2 days travel before that 07:11 bag heh 07:11 bag go PLACK! 07:11 bag sweet 07:11 rangi 40ish ppl for hackfest starting tomorrow, so that's awesome 07:11 bag how many days without luggage? 07:10 rangi conf was great, today is the day between, and yep once i got luggage it was all good 07:10 bag morning cait 07:09 bag rangi: how's the conference having a good time? 07:09 bag go scotch tasting ;) 07:08 rangi eythian: after a nice big scottish breakfast :) 07:08 bag I'd ride that 07:08 rangi heya bag :) 07:08 bag ah rangi that looks sick ;) 07:08 rangi (goes to the castle, national museum etc) 07:07 rangi eythian: http://www.edinburghtour.com/our-tours/city-sightseeing-multi-language-english-subtitles.html it runs every 20 mins, hop on/hop off, multilingual .. might be something to do? 07:07 bag heh 07:07 wahanui rangi and eythian are not around - you would have to ask them 07:07 bag heya rangi and eythian 07:07 rangi hi eythian 07:03 KMLC titles added by the cataloguer only gives me a count, i need a list too to check the quality of the entries 07:03 mtompset How is it that the OPAC client has a way to put a nice banner at the top of each page, but the staff client doesn't? 07:00 rangi you can add a date criteria to that and you would get the count 06:59 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Titles_added_by_cataloger 06:55 KMLC the cataloguing logging is on.. but how do i retrieve the data\ 06:53 * mtompset grumbles, "I was right... login.css over-rides the added staff-global-tweak.css I set the system preference to." 06:51 KMLC 3.6 06:50 rangi either way if you go to systempreferences and turn on the cataloguing logging it will save that information for you 06:50 rangi KMLC: what version of koha? 3.8.x or 3.6.x 06:49 KMLC hi.. i have 3 staff simultaneously cataloguing.. i need to generate a daily report where i can monitor how many books each staff has catalogued as well as get a list of the books that they have entered individually 06:48 reiveune hi :) 06:48 mtompset Hello, rangi. 06:48 mtompset Hello, reiveune. 06:46 rangi hello :) 06:46 reiveune hello 06:45 mtompset Hello, KMLC. 06:19 mtompset If you wait another couple hours, you may find a bunch of people on who may be able to help. 06:16 mtompset Sorry. :( 06:15 mtompset And I don't know how to get sending mail working on an ubuntu machine yet. 06:15 vkm do u know 06:15 mtompset that isn't really the problem.. the problem is configuration. 06:14 vkm using desktop on ibm server machine 06:14 mtompset Well, I guess you answered my pondering. :( 06:14 vkm desktop 06:14 mtompset I've had difficulty with server... I have yet to try desktop. 06:12 mtompset desktop or server? 06:02 vkm i am using ubuntu 06:01 wahanui i guess Wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org 06:01 mtompset Wiki? 06:00 mtompset Perhaps you will find some useful information on the Wiki. 06:00 mtompset Are you using Debian? 05:58 vkm kk 05:57 mtompset Sorry. :( 05:57 mtompset This was external to koha, so I haven't tried to integrate with koha. 05:57 mtompset I don't know. 05:55 vkm please tell me how to setup email for koha and adition software requirment 05:54 mtompset Thankfully, our host provider has a working relay agent I was able to use. 05:54 mtompset I tried to get any kind of external email working for a couple days, and gave up. 05:53 mtompset if you ever find the answer... please let me know. :) 05:52 vkm how can i set up postfix to send auto emails via gmail account 05:51 vkm hello all 05:48 mtompset DOH! Old CSS file. 05:35 mtompset Hmm... I think my styling instructions that I wrote for the OPAC side were incomplete. :( 05:26 Oak OKAY 05:26 Oak ah isee 05:24 mtompset This is the STAFF client that I styled. 05:21 mtompset Sorry... it isn't public yet. ;) 05:20 Oak your koha installation? 05:18 mtompset link for what? 05:17 wahanui link is right, but the website is gone, apparently 05:17 Oak link? 05:14 mtompset Looks mildly interesting... but I'm trying to clean up my styling of the koha pages... I did it quick and dirty, instead of clean and right. :) 05:12 Oak http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/ 05:12 Oak did you see the pictures of KohaCon? 05:12 Oak hello mtompset :) 05:11 mtompset Hello, Oak. 05:10 Oak kia ora #koha 05:04 mtompset I'm just wondering if I did it an ugly way, or if there is something better. 05:04 mtompset the rewrite rules didn't quite work without explicit referencing the site name. 05:01 mtj yeah, sometimes... 04:58 mtompset mtj, do you have it set up that way? 04:57 mtompset of course, I'm using Ubuntu. 04:57 mtompset I had to tweak my koha-httpd.conf file to get it to work for me. 04:57 mtompset really? 04:44 mtj the .deb packages do it by default, afaik 04:43 mtj yes, its very common 04:39 mtompset Has anyone here used named sites, rather than port numbers to distinguish OPAC vs. Staff Client? 04:07 * mtompset waves back at druthb. 04:00 druthb o/ 03:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 02:49 papa blem). 01:04 drojf that worked out ok … 01:02 drojf hi everybody, hope you are sleeping (the edinburgh people) :P 00:41 * mtompset does a quick system shutdown/sleep. 00:03 cait-m_ sorry late and typing on phone 00:03 mtompset nevermind... I'm still waking up. 00:03 cait-m_ got bsck to the hotel 00:02 mtompset You didn't stay for the hackfest? 00:02 mtompset git home? 00:01 cait-m_ just git home