Time  Nick         Message
00:50 mtompset     Greetings, #koha folk.
01:08 wajasu       ok. got my kvm script to build debiansqueeze+koha, and now i did a git clone and am wiring up the environment, whilst reusing the PERL5LIB.  My staf admin interface works fine.  The opac complained about GetDailyQuote is not exported by the C4::Koha module.  Maybe its just because I pulled from the master.
01:11 * mtompset   shrugs, "I don't know."
01:17 wajasu       i'll try an pull a stable release tag.
01:18 mtompset     I would try to "grep -l GetDailyQuote `find .`" in your koha install.
01:19 mtompset     And then figure out by looking at the code in the modules listed.
01:36 mtompset     any success, wajasu?
01:43 wajasu       running cpan to get two perl modules
01:44 mtompset     which two?
01:44 wajasu       DateTime::Format:MySQL and DateTime::TimeZone
01:45 mtompset     Are you sure there isn't a package for the first one?
01:45 mtompset     I did an install attempt under Ubuntu.
01:45 mtompset     I did an "aptitude search datetime-format-mysql"
01:45 mtompset     and it found it.
01:46 mtompset     perhaps a similar search "aptitude search datetime-timezone" might find the second.
01:46 wajasu       oh yeah. i forgot. i was literraly following INSTALL.debian (should have searched).
01:47 mtompset     Don't worry about it. I've done that before too. :)
01:48 mtompset     I did mention ubuntu expressly in a bug report I put up recently.
01:48 mtompset     bug 8192
01:48 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Update libraries and Missing library in install_misc/ubuntu.packages
01:49 mtompset     the missing library is the first one you mentioned: DateTime::Format::MySQL
01:52 wajasu       "GetDailyQuote" is not exported by the C4::Koha module
01:52 wajasu       Can't continue after import errors at /kohaclone/opac/opac-main.pl line 26
01:52 wajasu       BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /kohaclone/opac/opac-main.pl line 26.
01:53 wajasu       maybe i have the /etc/koha/apache2/apache-shared.conf not mapped correctly for opac
01:57 mtompset     No, I don't think so.
01:58 wajasu       i need to do Makefile.PL and follow the INSTALL.debian  (got to get my KOHA_CONF and defined as well.
01:58 mtompset     But this is probably a newer feature.
01:58 wajasu       i've just done a git pull. and edited the apache stuff.
01:58 wajasu       the staff interface worked.
01:58 mtompset     Ah, so you haven't finished the setup steps...
01:59 mtompset     Probably a good idea to finish them first before trying to debug. :)
02:00 wajasu       yes.  i will have to do this tomorrow with a fresh generated VM and follow the install steps. :)  thx
02:02 mtompset     What VM package are you using?
02:03 mtompset     For my testing purposes, I have a windows box with VirtualBox running.
02:06 wajasu       i wrote a shell script that i run that uses libvirt.  it grabs the debian netinst iso, and a cdrom install using a debian preseeding file, which also installs koha-common, and configures its all.    now I am adding a git dev environment to it for patches.  libvirt will be able to generate qcow2, vmdk, lvm, kvm based images.
02:08 wajasu       it only took 5 minutes to run in my /dev/shm /tmp directory. (really just waited while grabbing stuff from repos).  its a good way to document what it takes.  maybe it can be web hosted later and folks can generate different images.  my host machine is archlinux.
02:16 Oak          kia ora #koha
02:40 mtompset     interesting. Hi, Oak.
02:41 Oak          Hello mtompset :)
02:42 mtompset     @wunder MNL
02:42 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (10:00 AM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
02:49 mtompset     where are the irc logs?
02:49 wahanui      the irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
02:50 mtompset     Thank you, wahanui.
02:50 wahanui      mtompset: sure thing
03:07 * mtompset   is taking a short 15 minute break.
03:07 * mtompset   waves to #koha folks.
03:24 mtompset     topic?
03:24 wahanui      topic is wrong. :)
03:24 mtompset     wahanui forget topic
03:24 wahanui      mtompset: I forgot topic
03:24 mtompset     topic?
03:43 bencahill    G'night guys, I'm going to unplug because of the storm here. :)
03:43 mtompset     Good night, bencahill.
03:44 bencahill    mtompset: Hey, I'm just now trying out Sublime Text (just heard of it), and it's awesome! You should give it a try. :P
03:45 * bencahill  feels crazy for somewhat ditching vim so fast, but this is out of this world.
03:45 mtompset     What is Sublime Text?
03:45 mtompset     And editor?
03:45 bencahill    Yup
03:45 mtompset     Why install a non-default editor?
03:45 mtompset     Less installs = good.
03:46 bencahill    mtompset: Eh, vim is on-default on this distro (arch)
03:46 bencahill    mtompset: And yes, vi/vim has that awesome advantage, and I'll still use it for a lot of things.
03:47 mtompset     really?! what editor is installed by default on arch linux?
03:47 bencahill    mtompset: vi
03:47 bencahill    s/on-default/n&/
03:48 mtompset     What's wrong with plain vi?
03:48 bencahill    Um, no syntax highlighting, for one.
03:48 mtompset     BAH! If you can't see the syntax, you need glasses. :P
03:48 bencahill    I'm sure there are a lot of other things I like in vim that vi doesn't have. Not that I'm saying vi by itself isn't awesome. ;)
03:49 * bencahill  actually likes pretty colors, even though he does use a tiling wm with no window borders. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, eh?
03:50 bencahill    But anyway, g'night...I'm just excited. :)
03:50 mtompset     When I was in University, emacs was the rage.
03:50 mtompset     Okay... have a good night, bencahill. :)
03:50 bencahill    :)
05:29 mtompset     @wunder EDI
05:29 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 10.7°C (6:15 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
05:29 cait         morning mtompset
05:29 mtompset     Hi, Cait.
05:30 mtompset     It's afternoon here. But you're at #kohacon, so it's morning there. :)
05:32 mtompset     Strange... no bug reports of CCL parsing error?
05:37 cait         bbiab
05:38 * mtompset   nods.
06:53 * mtompset   smirks, "Yes, a bit is much longer than 10 minutes."
06:53 mtompset     what is a bit?
06:53 wahanui      somebody said a bit was unset, but it's still stuck at the bottom.
06:53 reiveune     hello
06:53 wahanui      bonjour, reiveune
06:54 mtompset     Bonjour. :)
06:55 mtompset     @wunder EDI
06:55 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 10.6°C (7:45 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
06:55 mtompset     96% humidity?!
06:56 mtompset     @wunder MNL
06:56 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Ninoy Aquino Inter-National Airport, Philippines is 28.0°C (2:00 PM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
06:58 mtompset     Wait a second... that time is wrong.
06:58 mtompset     It's nearly 3PM.
06:59 mtompset     Oh, the data was an hour ago.
07:00 * mtompset   thinks he needs to take an afternoon nap.
08:15 matts        hi !
08:15 mtompset     Hi, matts.
08:16 mtompset     It's been rather empty so far today.
08:16 matts        It's 9 AM here :)
08:17 mtompset     It's 4:16PM here.
08:18 mtompset     @wunder EDI
08:18 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 12.2°C (9:15 AM BST on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:19 mtompset     @wunder MNL
08:19 huginn`      mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 29.0°C (4:00 PM PHT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
08:30 Oak          @wunder islamabad
08:30 huginn`      Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 35.0°C (1:00 PM PKT on June 07, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
08:31 cait         heya Oak :)
08:31 Oak          o hello cait :) what are you doing?
08:31 cait         still trying to wake up :)
08:31 nengard      ditto
08:32 Oak          huh? waking up late today?
08:32 cait         we are at the conference site... only a bit tired :)
08:32 cait         short night
08:33 rangi        nengard: you have bureacrat permissions on the wiki eh?
08:33 nengard      what does that mean?
08:33 Oak          hmm
08:33 nengard      I don't think I do ? but maybe
08:34 nengard      I know I can delete pages - I can see the users list but don't see a way to approve/reject members ....
08:34 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=bureaucrat
08:34 nengard      oh ?. hehe
08:35 rangi        so somehow you can elevate permissions, if you figure out how could you make me one too please :)
08:35 nengard      hmmmm
08:35 nengard      okay let me poke around
08:35 nengard      user Chris is a an admin - or are you Chrisc
08:38 rangi        umm one of them, and yeah i am admin, but only bureaucrat can do user permissions apparently
08:38 nengard      rangi it's done
08:38 nengard      for both
08:39 nengard      I had no idea I had those special powers :)
08:39 rangi        yay thanks
08:39 cait         nengard: superlibrarian powers? ;)
08:39 nengard      yuppers :)
08:40 cait         bonjour paul_p :)
08:40 paul_p       hi cait
08:43 mtompset     Greetings, people.
08:44 mbalmer      ola
08:44 mtompset     Does this mean someone might be able to fix my wiki access?
08:44 cait         we are trying... but I think we got stuck again
08:44 mtompset     :)
08:48 mtompset     Well, I do appreciate the efforts.
08:49 mtompset     I did send an email to gmcharlt.
08:49 mtompset     (his email address is on a couple of the bug reports I made)
08:49 mtompset     I did mark the email read-receipt.
08:49 mle          morning
08:49 mtompset     But frequently people click 'no'. :(
08:50 rangi        mle: i need to say thanks again for organising last night
08:50 cait         hi mle :)
08:50 rangi        it was fantastic
08:50 cait         yeah, it was awesome
08:50 cait         and thx for helping me find the right cider :)
08:50 mtompset     alcoholic or non?
08:50 mtompset     hard or not?
08:51 mtompset     which is the right one?
08:53 slef         blurgh
08:53 mle          rangi ty it was my pleasure.  i will forever remember the waving arms of kohacon12. ;)
08:53 rangi        hehe
08:53 cait         mtompset: I don't know which it was, but it was good
08:53 mle          hi cait.
08:54 slef         I was worried. We did not cover ourselves in singing glory before
08:54 rangi        at kohacon10
08:54 rangi        :)
08:54 cait         true
08:54 mle          hope everyone is feelimg chipper this morning! i was tempted to do something energisimg with you all this morning!
08:54 cait         you should have...
08:54 cait         :)
08:54 cait         there is still the hackfest... :)
08:54 slef         yeah some blodger was meaning to teach us a song and slept
08:55 rangi        hehe
08:55 cait         who could that have been...
08:55 slef         shall we ask mle to boot up hackfest?
08:55 cait         what's your definition of "boot up"?
08:55 mtompset     get started?
08:56 slef         something energising in the mornings
08:56 mbalmer      dancing the highland flinge?
08:56 slef         mbalmer: ITYM flange
08:56 cait         moin drojf
08:56 mle          caber tossing workshop!
08:56 drojf        hi #koha
08:56 mbalmer      that dance folks do because of the little moskitos..
08:57 mtompset     ITYM?
08:57 cait         mtompset: thx for asking that :)
08:57 drojf        omg i was fast with my presentation. i hope you could understand anything
08:57 mbalmer      i thing you mean
08:57 slef         wahanui: ITYM is I Think You Mean
08:57 wahanui      OK, slef.
08:57 drojf        nice to put a timer and then don'tr look at it :D
08:57 cait         heh
08:57 cait         you will see the sme happening with me in wildau ;)
08:57 mtompset     suatnk! :P
08:58 slef         drojf: clock at the bck shows wrong time
08:58 mtompset     stop using acronyms that nobody knows. ;)
08:58 mbalmer      itym, i'm the young man!
08:58 drojf        slef: i had a stop watch running. took 11 minutes, took 20 at the hotel ^^
08:58 slef         back
08:58 rangi        drojf: it was good :)
08:58 slef         typing is hard on mini keyboard
08:59 drojf        rangi: thanks :)
08:59 drojf        slef: where to put the presentation for the rest of the world?
08:59 slef         drojf: wiki
08:59 mtompset     This conversation made me think of: http://youtu.be/wvsboPUjrGc
08:59 cait         i think you can link from your abstract on the wiki
08:59 drojf        ah ok
08:59 * slef       hides from mtompset
09:00 cait         mtompset: we have t obe nice to slef
09:00 cait         mtompset: he has to suffer doing all the organisation
09:00 slef         I wish I could give mtompset wiki access
09:00 cait         we all do...
09:00 slef         but I would just fail to find time
09:00 mtompset     Hey, you guys are trying. I very much appreciate that.
09:00 cait         lol
09:00 slef         I am very trying!
09:00 cait         I dropped gmcharlt a mail too some days ago
09:01 cait         no answer yet
09:01 cait         perhaps we should try thd
09:01 mtompset     From what I can tell in the IRC logs... I missed him by 3 minutes!
09:01 mtompset     How frustrating.
09:02 * gmcharlt   pops in -- not just a matter of unblocking email, going to need to figure out a way to deal with mediawiki's laxity
09:02 gmcharlt     as we were in danger of getting k-c.org on spam blocks
09:02 slef         can we special case approve mtompset account please?
09:02 * mtompset   smiles, "Okay... I can relax now. :)"
09:02 cait         hi gmcharlt
09:03 cait         yes, perhaps some people could be given permission to activate user accounts?
09:03 mtompset     A lot of places have a "Are you human?" box that you need to check.
09:03 cait         that could work until we get a real solution again
09:03 mtompset     And then some even have a simple "What is 3+4?" box.
09:03 slef         bulk deleting unapproveds and switching to lots of ppl allowed to approve. maybe from irv
09:03 gmcharlt     mtompset: whcih the bots have defeated
09:03 slef         irc
09:04 gmcharlt     slef: I agree, it's gonig to have to be manual approval
09:04 gmcharlt     mtompset: what user account did you register?
09:04 slef         I hate "are you human?" because most of them say I am not
09:04 cait         lol
09:05 mtompset     mtompset@hotmail.com
09:05 mtompset     I did send you an email @gmail.
09:05 slef         what am I? chopped liver?
09:05 * slef       rants off to his mailbox
09:06 gmcharlt     mtompset: yes, I mean, what username did you assign yourself?
09:06 gmcharlt     nm, found it
09:06 cait         gmcharlt++
09:06 mtompset     mtompset
09:06 wahanui      rumour has it mtompset is taking off
09:07 mtompset     wahanui forget mtompset
09:07 wahanui      mtompset: I forgot mtompset
09:07 gmcharlt     wahanui: forget mtompset
09:07 wahanui      gmcharlt, I didn't have anything matching mtompset
09:07 * mtompset   laughs, "Great minds think alike."
09:15 mtompset     What if there was an email address to which a blank message with "Register Me" as a subject line would generate the confirmation email after the user registered? Bots don't send empty emails, and they don't know the subject line, though they'd likely get the email address.
09:17 medmondson   ¬¬
09:18 mtompset     Are those shifty eyes?
09:18 medmondson   yup
09:18 gmcharlt     mtompset: ok, I think we're set up - please try registering your account again
09:18 mtompset     registering?
09:19 mtompset     So request?
09:20 gmcharlt     yes
09:20 slef         lee just made everyone close their laptops
09:21 slef         so there's only the phonies like me still here
09:22 mtompset     Arg! A bio of 50 words.
09:22 slef         awrite about getting a login?;)
09:23 medmondson   salut alex_a
09:23 gmcharlt     mtompset: bio requirement removed
09:23 alex_a       bonjour medmondson
09:24 slef         are ppl on phones or breaking lee's rule?
09:25 mtompset     Okay... it says and email has been sent to me...
09:26 mtompset     Nice randomization on the math question.
09:26 gmcharlt     mtompset: ok, I've approved the account -- please see if you can log in now
09:27 mtompset     Hmm... no password is set... did it ask?
09:28 mtompset     I must have done something wrong.
09:29 mtompset     It said the username is the same as my Real Name.
09:29 mtompset     but I don't think it asked for a password.
09:31 gmcharlt     mtompset: hmm - I've set one for you, then
09:36 cait         hi Joubu :)
09:36 Joubu        hi #koha
09:36 Joubu        hi cait :)
09:38 mtompset     Hello all.
09:46 slef         and now we've stopped torturing lee, people are allowed their laptops back
09:46 drojf        heh
09:47 rangi        she
09:47 rangi        's brave :)
09:48 cait         yep she is :)
09:48 slef         hmmm  you're not going to like the main answer in my talk then
09:48 slef         ohhh this is going to go really badly
09:48 slef         all those comments against monoliths
09:49 slef         eeeeek I've misread the mood of the room
09:49 cait         slef: ???
09:49 slef         cait: my talk has a Big Idea in the middle of it
09:49 slef         I think people will hate it now.
09:50 cait         you suggest that all libaries start using ebsco?
09:50 slef         Oh well. I will walk off a cliff in front of you all.
09:50 slef         No, worse.
09:50 cait         uhoh
09:50 cait         we all go into worldcat?
09:50 slef         that is closer
09:51 cait         better pack a parachute ;)
09:51 drojf        lol
09:51 medmondson   make sure that the camera batteries are full before your talk slef ;)
09:51 slef         I think I will spend lunch time reading arguments against worldcat
09:52 drojf        i vote for exlibris aleph for everybody. our university library approves :/
09:52 slef         to see if I will fall foul of the same complaints.
09:52 slef         medmondson: I have 90mins to recharge them before me.
09:52 slef         rangi: may I steal your TMs?
09:53 rangi        go for it :)
09:53 slef         I have also put "Former koha.org webmaster" in my biog
09:54 rangi        heh
09:55 slef         I think that is accurate, isn't it?
09:57 rangi        it's entirely accurate
10:00 medmondson   some folk werea asking about visiting edinburgh hacklab. Tonight is coffee and code night from about 7.30.  I have sent an email to the list, to alert them to our presence, but will be suprised if we get a reply.  for those that want the info: http://edinburghhacklab.com/events/
10:03 mtompset     How did you get the red underline?
10:14 mtompset     gmcharlt++
10:15 mtompset     I have wiki access! YAY!
10:20 rangi        medmondson: http://edinburghliterarypubtour.co.uk/ <-- this looks cheesy but fun
10:26 rangi        hmm Joubu is trying to win the wine signing off patches!
10:26 slef         is that starting early?
10:26 rangi        yep :)
10:29 paul_p       rangi = FYI = usually, from wed to friday, clrh team -joubu, julian_m and matts work for the community
10:30 medmondson   rangi: Some are quite fun apparently.
10:30 medmondson   rangi: it reminds me.. I was going to recommend...
10:30 medmondson   http://www.realmarykingsclose.com/
10:30 Joubu        rangi: The patch was already signed-off, I updated the status. I cheated :)
10:31 slef         medmondson: I think S went there yesterday. Pretty good but tour was overbooked (22) and even fully-booked (20) is a bit more than some rooms hold (maybe 15). Still interesting though.
10:33 rangi        i was thinking to maybe do a highlands tour tomorrow http://www.highlandexperience.com/tour-details.asp?txtTour=171
10:34 cait         monsters mountains and massacres - sounds like fun :)
10:35 rangi        41 pound, which is alright for me, but maybe too much for some?
10:36 cait         I think would be ok for me, the nessi hunter tour is not included i think, but I would like to do it again
10:37 slef         you all got your SRU questions ready?
10:37 rangi        yup
10:37 rangi        well eythian does
10:37 slef         Scream and Run Urway
10:37 slef         maybe only works in my accent
10:38 rangi        heh
10:39 slef         that will be more on my talk I think, once I make my suggestion
10:40 slef         will you applaud or boo when I say "LibLime was right"?
10:40 cait         it depends on how you explain that
10:40 cait         I think
10:40 slef         anyone find marcelr's library on LibraryThing?
10:42 paul_p       not really clear what is included in  http://www.highlandexperience.com/tour-details.asp?txtTour=171, or I couldn't find where it's described...
10:42 cait         paul_p: read the left column down
10:46 paul_p       cait = OK, we take the bus. But will there be a guide ? which language ? audio-guide in french ? lunch included for the price ? where the bus start in EDI ?
10:46 cait         hm i think we came by the bus stop this morning
10:46 cait         i haven't taken the tour before, I think they advertised tours in different languages, so there might be french
10:47 medmondson   west highland line is truly wonderful.  (go over the famous 'Harry Potter' viaduct) http://www.scotlandsforme.com/main_attraction.php?id=79
10:47 rangi        oooh
10:50 pastebot     "hdl" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "clrh: rpn2solr avec sru enabled" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/434
10:51 nengard      #koha folks - my mom sent me a text asking me to send you all her love :)
10:53 clrh         thx hdl :)
10:54 rangi        paul_p: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/query.cgi?format=advanced
10:54 rangi        can you try a search in french now?
10:54 rangi        or any french speaker
10:57 paul_p       rangi = much better, except the "Maintenant" ( in the Entre le: field) must be removed or you get no results
10:57 drojf        rangi: the highlands tour sounds nice, but does it say somewhere how long it actually takes?
10:57 Oak          thank you nengard !
10:57 paul_p       it's at the wrong place = in english it's "between ______ AND Now" while in french it's "between Maintenant and _______"
10:58 paul_p       drojf = on the right "start 8AM, back around 7PM"
10:58 drojf        ah, i'm just blind, thanks
10:58 drojf        we would be able to see nessy…
10:59 rangi        8am to 7.30pm drojf
10:59 rangi        (there are a few different ones tho, shorter and longer)
10:59 rangi        paul_p: ahh ill take that out
10:59 cait         varying in prices too
10:59 eythian      rangi: the literary pub tour started at 7.30 didn't it?
10:59 rangi        i think so
11:00 mbalmer      literary pub tour?
11:01 eythian      I think it's a pub crawl with a pretence of culture. Exactly my sort of thing!
11:01 matts        ^^
11:01 mbalmer      tonight?
11:01 wahanui      tonight is probably 23rd :)
11:01 eythian      Not sure.
11:01 cait         forget nonight
11:01 cait         forget tonight
11:01 wahanui      cait: I forgot tonight
11:01 drojf        hm if tour starts at 8am i would not get any breakfast
11:02 rangi        i have the brochure for the pub tour by me
11:02 mbalmer      so pub stroll tomorrow night?
11:02 cait         drojf: grab something on the way? ask for a lunchpack? ;)
11:02 eythian      http://www.edinburghliterarypubtour.co.uk/pub_details.php <-- every night
11:02 medmondson   pubs on Friday night will be very busy
11:02 mbalmer      I see
11:02 drojf        cait: they can pack the cooked breakfast :D
11:02 mtompset     Wow, that was a serioud read to catch up.
11:02 mtompset     serious...
11:02 cait         i am sure they can...
11:02 rangi        paul_p: is the default removed now?
11:04 paul_p       rangi = yes, it work fine now !
11:09 eythian      > Did you know that Edinburgh has more pubs per square mile than any other city in Europe?
11:09 eythian      excellent!
11:10 drojf        <3 edinburgh
11:14 clrh         rangi: today the layer provides ability to plug whatever you want - the purpose now is not really solr but adapting/refactoring zebra part - I hope I'll take time to explain during hackfest :)
11:15 cait         clrh:  :)
11:15 rangi        w00t
11:15 rangi        clrh++
11:15 mtompset     refactoring?
11:15 wahanui      refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting.
11:16 cait         clrh++ :)
11:16 clrh         stefano++ too happy to see his work
11:16 rangi        clrh: that sounds really great
11:16 rangi        yes
11:16 rangi        stefano++
11:16 mtompset     So, providing a friendlier API?
11:17 cait         lunch break here
11:17 cait         we will be back :)
11:17 clrh         mtompset: sorry I don't know you, are you in edimbourg?
11:17 clrh         api exists it can be enhanced (<- can I say that?)
11:18 clrh         we'll have lunch, see you
11:19 medmondson   pub: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/17/17130/Dagda_Bar/Edinburgh  very close to teviot and one of the cheapest in Edinburgh.  very popular with real locals
11:21 medmondson   s/'real locals'/my friends
11:40 mtompset     No, I am not.
11:40 mtompset     Sorry for a slow reply.
11:47 mtompset     A friendlier API on top of the existing one.
11:49 mtompset     Hey, jcamins.
11:49 wahanui      jcamins is probably an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert
11:50 mtompset     mtompset
11:50 wahanui      you are not.
11:50 mtompset     wahanui
11:50 wahanui      mtompset?
11:50 mtompset     wahanui?
11:50 wahanui      mtompset?
11:50 mtompset     slef?
11:50 wahanui      slef is not at home so please email kohacon12 AT software.coop instead
11:51 jcamins      mtompset?
11:51 wahanui      i guess mtompset is not.
11:51 jcamins      wahanui?
11:51 wahanui      yes, jcamins?
11:51 jcamins      Huh. "Wahanui" used to have a response like "wahanui is little yet. He needs to learn more. :)"
11:51 mtompset     How is it that you got such a colourful descriptor, jcamins?
11:52 jcamins      mtompset: it used to be a lot more colorful.
11:53 mtompset     jcamins?
11:53 wahanui      jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert
11:53 * jcamins    looks for an example.
11:53 mtompset     who would want to forge queries in the deep fires of zebra?
11:54 pastebot     "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "What wahanui used to know about me" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/435
11:54 jcamins      mtompset: I can't say I'd like to, but I don't really have much of a choice.
11:54 jcamins      ;)
11:54 mtompset     okay, that makes sense.
11:55 mtompset     On a positive note... I got wiki access today!
11:55 jcamins      I think cait did the "jcamins is an outstanding cook," then various people added the other bits, and I revised it to use commas instead of ". or" a few months ago.
11:55 jcamins      Yay!
11:56 mtompset     I've already added a slew of discussion notes to the koha on ubuntu page.
11:57 mtompset     I figured since I've never edited a page, I'll let someone else do that.
11:57 jcamins      No, you should go ahead and edit the pages. :)
11:57 jcamins      It's very easy.
11:57 mtompset     I'm worried about busting ir.
11:57 mtompset     it
11:57 jcamins      You won't.
11:58 jcamins      And, if you accidentally screw things up, the change can be reverted.
11:58 medmondson   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold
11:58 jcamins      Exactly.
11:59 mtompset     I can't seem to get that link to work, medmondson.
12:00 mtompset     Is there a back up somewhere?
12:02 jcamins      mtompset: I will summarize: "Be bold and edit those wiki pages!:
12:02 jcamins      *"
12:02 medmondson   hmm I wonder what is wrong with that URL
12:02 jcamins      It worked for me.
12:02 mtompset     I get timeout errors.
12:02 medmondson   well its a common wiki principle
12:02 medmondson   be bold, revert is easy
12:03 medmondson   the wikipedia URL is a bit too wikipedia specific anyhow
12:05 mtompset     okay... I'm editing... it's just that maybe someone has a love of unp over tar -xvf
12:16 mtompset     This is scary... so much change in a single edit.
12:38 rangi        jcamins: apparently sip is not working :( can you phone in? or would irc work for questions
12:38 rangi        we can put it on the big screen
12:38 rangi        and relay questions to you
12:38 jcamins      I can phone in.
12:38 jcamins      Or at least try. :)
12:38 jcamins      If not, IRC will work just fine too.
12:38 jcamins      I'll just need the phone-in number.
12:40 rangi        jcamins: eythian is just checking his plan, he thinks he might have cheap international calling
12:40 rangi        (we bought O2 simcards)
12:41 rangi        so potentially we could call you too
12:41 jcamins      I have a calling card which I can combine with VoIP for absurdly low rates. :)
12:41 rangi        ahh sweet
12:51 clrh         is there a place to share the slides? wiki?
12:52 rangi        yep, people have been linking them to their abstracts/talks there
12:52 cait         clrh: yep - the wiki woudl be good, on the page with the abstracts
12:52 eythian      can we upload to the wiki?
12:52 * eythian    finds out
12:52 rangi        http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule
12:53 cait         eythian: I think we should be able to, nicole linked her abstracts in, not sure how she did it
12:57 eythian      You can attach files in the wiki, use the "media files" button.
12:57 eythian      at least, I think it's working...
12:59 mtompset     GAH!
12:59 mtompset     My login timed out, and all my lovely edits were lost.
12:59 jcamins      mtompset: if you hit back quickly, you may not have lost them.
12:59 mtompset     Yes, this means I have Wiki access. :)
12:59 mtompset     Wasn't fast enough.
12:59 mtompset     :(
13:00 mtompset     Okay, smaller edits.
13:00 mtompset     So this doesn't happen again.
13:02 mtompset     Good thing a large section was in the discussion page. :)
13:04 mtompset     ARG! Let's try again... editing the wiki is a pain.
13:05 eythian      hmm, I appear to not be able to attach the file.
13:05 eythian      it just sites there trying to upload forever
13:05 clrh         cait: here ? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule ok
13:05 cait         yes
13:06 cait         hope the uploading works, if not, we will try to figure out something else
13:06 * eythian    will just link from somewhere else
13:08 mtompset     AH! I hit the wrong key and logged out.
13:09 eythian      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Migrating_to_Koha_.2860_min.29 <-- my slides are linked from here now
13:10 cait         thx eythian - eythian++
13:10 cait         and ++ for all other speakers linking their slides :)
13:12 cait         rangi+
13:12 cait         rangi++ even
13:12 rangi        hmm?
13:13 mtompset     Okay... calmer.... wiki edits are ugly, but made it there.
13:14 cait         rangi: linking your presentations
13:14 rangi        ahh
13:16 jwagner      slef or cait, can you link my presentation?
13:16 cait         do you have a link to the slides?
13:17 jwagner      slef asked me to put it online last week, so it's at http://www.koha.org/library/resources/documents/WhattoDoWhenTheySay.pdf
13:17 slef         I'm about to present. Paralysed by fear, as always before I do anything in public
13:17 cait         you will do fine
13:17 cait         eat some chocolate :P
13:17 rangi        you'll be fine
13:18 cait         ok, that was mean
13:18 dpavlin      slef: don't worry, you are among frineds here :-)
13:18 slef         cait: you'll be forcing me chocolate after this!
13:18 cait         slef: hm?
13:18 eythian      /msg dpavlin you've got the mean songs memorised?
13:18 cait         jwagner: it's done, please check it works
13:19 cait         slef: perhaps we should get and store all slides somewhere - itwould be nice to have all files in the same place somewhere
13:19 jwagner      cait, looks fine, thanks
13:20 eythian      cait: ideally you'd upload them to the wiki
13:20 eythian      it's just not working for some reason
13:20 eythian      (for me, anyway)
13:20 cait         I think brooke reported that in the past but were not able to replicate
13:20 jwagner      I noticed the other day that the schedule on the wiki wasn't the same as on k-c.org -- which one is the "final" version?
13:21 cait         ah, there should be no schedule on the wiki now
13:21 cait         I removed it because both tables got out of sync with changes being made
13:21 cait         I am going to give uploading files another try
13:22 dpavlin      eythian: I'm not sure I know what wean songs you are refering to? From yesteday?
13:22 drojf        cait: seen http://fudgehouse.co.uk/ ?
13:22 wahanui      I haven't seen 'http://fudgehouse.co.uk/', drojf
13:22 eythian      dpavlin: for singing when slef is presen...never mind, explaining a joke kills it :)
13:22 jcamins      TIRTMI!
13:22 jcamins      Ohhh.
13:22 jcamins      Yeah, that's a good shop.
13:23 jcamins      They used to have little samples out. :)
13:23 slef         everyone ask lots
13:23 dpavlin      eythian: I though that mumble, mumble, grrr, grrr sounds should be enough :-)
13:23 slef         you have 35mins to fill
13:23 slef         store place good idea
13:23 drojf        slef: you've been an excellent host/ presenter so far, don't worry, all will be fine
13:24 slef         drojf: awww you're so kind
13:24 slef         cmon, 30mins more
13:24 slef         get me out of talking
13:24 jwagner      slef, There Is No Escape
13:25 slef         jwagner: phone in with a q for gbenga
13:25 jwagner      ?
13:25 slef         (joke...it is not wired in just now)
13:25 drojf        eythian: your latex file would give less errors if there were the graphics too ;)
13:26 slef         if ppl ask 30mins of questions, we run out of time for me
13:26 jwagner      You'll do fine :-)
13:26 drojf        slef: we will stay longer for you, don't worry :P
13:26 cait         ok
13:26 cait         I can upload pdf files to the wiki
13:26 cait         going to try eythian's presentation next
13:26 marcelr      pdf works, ppt does not
13:27 dpavlin      start singing, now!
13:27 eythian      drojf: yeah, but there's really not much point in including the graphics, most of it is company logo stuff
13:27 drojf        eythian: yeah just saw that. company and koha logo
13:28 drojf        for the bullets
13:28 eythian      yeah
13:30 * mtompset   cringes at the mention of LaTeX.
13:31 * libsysguy  was reading the devel email about scoreboard and wonders how many kittens sekjal and the rest of the QA team have killed
13:32 drojf        mtompset: why is that?
13:32 cait         ok
13:32 cait         uploading files works - please don't check categories!
13:32 jcamins      libsysguy: there's a saved search for Failed QA.
13:32 cait         I think that might be the problem
13:32 cait         don't check categories when uploading files
13:34 eythian      mtompset: are you some kind of heathen perhaps?
13:35 * sekjal     is actually Dothraki for 'killer of kittens'
13:36 libsysguy    touche sekjal
13:40 marcelr      libsysguy: you really should hate cats before joining qa team ;)
13:40 rangi        hehe
13:41 jcamins      Pixel says you're all heathens, and now he's going to hide in a corner.
13:41 mtompset     LaTeX is not user friendly.
13:41 marcelr      heathens?
13:41 mtompset     Powerful.
13:41 mtompset     Useful.
13:41 drojf        mtompset: i'm a user, it's friendly to me
13:42 jcamins      marcelr: yes, you hate cats.
13:42 drojf        way more friendly than a word processor ;)
13:42 mtompset     When did you first interact with it?
13:42 jcamins      mtompset: *TeX* is user-unfriendly. LaTeX isn't too bad.
13:42 * jcamins    doesn't do TeX.
13:42 drojf        a few years ago
13:42 mtompset     I had bad experiences from the 90's. :P
13:43 drojf        i bet word processors were even worse then :P
13:43 mtompset     I'm sure GUI front-ends have improved.
13:43 mtompset     Imagine having to deal with it in a text-only hand-code environment.
13:44 mtompset     Unless you know it well, it's ugly.
13:44 mtompset     Though, I'll still use it for generating PDF output. ;)
13:45 mtompset     Back to wiki edit's before I lose them again.
13:45 jcamins      Only seven bugs left to report and assign to myself.
13:47 mtompset     isn't that a conflict of interest? ;)
13:48 jcamins      mtompset: nah, it's a conflict of interest if I try to claim that my testing is sufficient to conclude that the fixes resolve the bugs.
13:49 clrh         rfc++ for a start for documenting feature and test cases (before push) cc nengard
13:51 rangi        favourite slide so far
13:51 eythian      mtompset: I wrote it in vim, also not user friendly.
13:51 jcamins      We report bugs/enhancements for things we're working on so that people know what's going on.
13:51 jcamins      clrh: yes, I'll be posting the detailed RFC to the wiki.
13:51 talljoy      these sci fi references are over my head rangi
13:51 eythian      but both are very fast and efficient, which is what I cared about.
13:51 jcamins      Ooh, sci fi references? :)
13:51 rangi        thats boba fett, a bounty hunter :)
13:51 talljoy      is that a dalek, starwars or startrek
13:51 rangi        starwars
13:51 jcamins      However, I use bug numbers for tracking.
13:51 talljoy      lol...oh.  i should have recognized from the boys lego sets.
13:52 cait         heh
14:09 schuster     What a day yesterday was I hope today will be more successful!  In moving back to community things have been a little bumpy on our own.
14:09 schuster     I've had issues mainly with the indexer sucking up disk space...  But I did a test search in Staff and it works, but when I do a test search in Pac I get no items found.  any suggestions?
14:09 jcamins      faq?
14:09 wahanui      rumour has it faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
14:09 jcamins      ^^ there is a question about that problem. :)
14:09 jcamins      I think it's opachiddenitems.
14:09 cait         schuster: which index tool are you using?
14:11 schuster     zebra.
14:12 eythian      or opacsuppresssomething
14:12 mtompset     dalek is from Dr. Who, talljoy.
14:12 schuster     When I look in the Koha_opac_error_log I see this - opac-search.pl: accept_language(x,y) called with no clientPreferences (x). at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Templates.pm line 331
14:13 mtompset     I have a bunch of those flooding my logs too.
14:13 schuster     something about language? but I see that double // in front of the C4 which makes me concerned.
14:13 jcamins      schuster: you may need to clear your cookies.
14:13 schuster     mmm chocolate ones...  Ok will try.
14:13 mtompset     Though, it's for the staff client.
14:14 schuster     Why would you have those errors in koha-opac-error_log from staff client?
14:14 mtompset     no, the accept_language(x,y) mess.
14:15 mtompset     its in my koha-error_log
14:15 mtompset     I remember tracing it down.
14:15 mtompset     but I forget what it was.
14:15 mtompset     too mant late nights.
14:15 wizzyrea     patch or it didn't happen ;)
14:15 mtompset     ^mant^many^
14:20 jcamins      Hm. I think I may add a "C & P Authorities Improvements" meta-bug.
14:22 schuster     So I turned on the language piece in I8L or whatever that tab is and now get this error -  opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $lang in string eq at /home/koha/kohaclone//C4/Templates.pm line 336.
14:22 schuster     But where do I select the language?
14:22 samuel       hi everybody
14:24 mtompset     What version are you running, Schuster?
14:24 wizzyrea     hi samuel
14:24 wizzyrea     the second question?
14:24 wahanui      the second question is "What is the exact error message?"
14:24 wizzyrea     the third question?
14:24 wahanui      somebody said the third question was "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/
14:25 schuster     3.06.05
14:25 mtompset     the first question?
14:25 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
14:25 mtompset     That's three questions. :P
14:25 eythian      they have "or"
14:25 * wizzyrea   waves at eythian
14:25 * wizzyrea   grins
14:26 schuster     3.06.04.000  - actually
14:26 schuster     Even though I downloaded from the website 3.06.05???
14:26 jcamins      schuster: 3.6.5 was up.
14:27 jcamins      Still is.
14:27 jcamins      Odd.
14:27 * jcamins    will check what's in there.
14:28 wizzyrea     perhaps bug 7874?
14:28 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7874 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Templates::get_language generates lots of not defined warnings
14:29 jcamins      It's 3.6.5.
14:33 wizzyrea     the patch for that is in 3.6.5, but schuster says he has 3.6.4
14:33 wizzyrea     or the version is reporting 3.6.4
14:33 schuster     OK step back jcamins wins!!!  Evidently in the upgrade it changed the default from Don't Hide to Hide!
14:34 schuster     OpacSupression...
14:34 jcamins      wizzyrea: no, I mean, the file labeled 3.6.5 is, in fact, 3.6.5.
14:34 schuster     whew...
14:34 wizzyrea     ! that doesn't seem right schuster.
14:34 jcamins      So you might want to re-download 3.6.5, and upgrade to that right away.
14:34 schuster     On May 25th I downloaded 3.6.5 from the website and what my about is saying I have 3.6.4
14:35 jcamins      schuster: okay, that's weird...
14:35 wizzyrea     link wrong maybe?
14:35 jcamins      Yeah, I think so.
14:35 schuster     OK - well I'm in the middle of my migration to community and have had a few headaches along the way...  So I will "redownload" 3.6.5 soon once I can show it is up and running!
14:36 wizzyrea     hm looks ok
14:37 wizzyrea     i wonder if schuster downloaded it in that magic moment in between when the file was uploaded and the link was changed
14:37 schuster     I downloaded the 3.06.05.tar.gz version.
14:37 wizzyrea     i.e. coincidence of timing
14:37 jcamins      wizzyrea: yeah, that would make sense.
14:37 schuster     My luck of course...
14:37 wizzyrea     do you still have the file?
14:37 schuster     Ah let me look
14:40 schuster     yes I do what do you want to know about it?
14:40 wizzyrea     it says 3.06.05?
14:40 wizzyrea     .tar.gz?
14:40 schuster     yep - koha-3.06.05.tar.gz
14:41 wizzyrea     ok that's odd
14:43 mtompset     Why is that odd?
14:43 wizzyrea     because his install reports it's 3.6.4
14:44 mtompset     the unpacked directory and the installed directory aren't the same on a standard installation.
14:44 wizzyrea     yes, thanks. I'm making some assumptions that the upgrade itself was completed correctly
14:45 jcamins      mtompset: yeah, but if you installed from the 3.6.5 tgz, you should end up with the same version.
14:45 wizzyrea     since he said he upgraded it
14:45 wizzyrea     it could be that the upgrade itself wasn't completed correctly, and that's why there is a discrepancy
14:46 SJeffery     Can anyone confirm that the 008 date fields are NOT used for a general search, but is used when performing an advanced search by date?
14:47 jcamins      SJeffery: that is correct.
14:48 jcamins      C4::Search--
14:48 rangi        jcamins: people are coming back in
14:49 jcamins      Not long now. The recorded bit is about ten minutes, and then I'll call in for questions.
14:49 rangi        so i think we will be starting in a few
14:50 clrh         do you use the term "lis" for library and information science ? I was looking for a name for a twitter list for people related to ils libraries and job related
14:50 rangi        yep, that seems to be the common one clrh
14:51 clrh         great!
14:52 SJeffery     Is there documentation on which MARC fields are searched by each search box/method?
14:52 jcamins      SJeffery: there is an out of date table.
14:52 jcamins      Somewhere...
14:52 SJeffery     Out of date? *prods nicole*
14:52 jcamins      http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/kohasearchindexes.html#id605897
14:53 jcamins      See, what we really need is something that will automatically generate a listing.
14:53 jcamins      That would be a prime example of something that the GRS-1 configuration files do not lend themselves to.
14:53 jcamins      DOM, on the other hand, will make that easy.
14:53 mtompset     Actually, would the install/upgrade fail if there were missing dependencies?
14:55 schuster     I would swear it gave me the report that 3.6.5 was complete, but it is working and I need it "semi" stable before I do ANYTHING to it again...  It has been a rough 3 days.
14:56 mtompset     I'm curious as to the output of ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m
14:56 jcamins      mtompset: nope.
14:56 eythian      jcamins: you're almost on :)
14:57 jcamins      Yay!
14:57 mtompset     AS opposed to being off. ;)
14:57 jcamins      I should warn you there are about two and a half seconds of silence at the beginning of the presentation.
14:58 jcamins      I couldn't tell if it was recording.
14:58 pastebot     "samuel" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ldap, problems of mapping" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/436
14:59 jcamins      I also apologize if I talked too fast.
15:00 eythian      jcamins: slef says thanks for that, it lets him move the video on the screen
15:00 eythian      also that your slides will probably get changed at all the wrong moments :)
15:00 jcamins      eythian: that's okay.
15:01 mtompset     Well, I'm off. Sounds like I'll miss some fun.
15:02 cait         jcamins: you are being announced now
15:02 * mtompset   waves bye.
15:02 cait         *applause*
15:03 eythian      huh, so that's what jcamins looks like...
15:03 cait         video is on
15:03 * eythian    should pay attention to this
15:03 eythian      given I'm always asking about it
15:04 drojf        now that i know how to do it i get several presentations about it
15:04 drojf        :P
15:04 * chris_n    cheers jcamins
15:04 SJeffery     Is there a live stream of this anywhere?
15:04 * cait       cheers too
15:05 drojf        SJeffery: don't think so
15:05 jcamins      SJeffery: there is not. However, my presentation is easy to see.
15:05 drojf        you will be able to download it later i guess
15:05 cait         SJeffery: I think the recordings will be available after the conference
15:05 jcamins      I'm e-mailing you the links.
15:05 rangi        its going well
15:06 jcamins      I kept it very short since I'm about the last presentation on the last day. I figure I can answer as many questions as people have, but I didn't want to push it.
15:07 jcamins      SJeffery: I just sent you the links to my presentation, which actually comes in two parts thanks to my impatience with video editing.
15:08 jcamins      I think the MPG should play fine with Windows Media Player.
15:10 SJeffery     Works:)
15:10 jcamins      Errr, it sounds like some of the middle slides are missing.
15:10 jcamins      Sorry about that.
15:10 jcamins      I think the missing ones were mostly charts of things to think about.
15:10 jcamins      I'll upload those a bit later.
15:11 mbalmer      re-ola
15:12 * SJeffery   just noticed that secontrolnumber is off....that explains a few things
15:12 cait         *applause*
15:12 cait         time for questions
15:12 * jcamins    dials in.
15:16 rangi        thanks jcamins
15:16 rangi        that was really good
15:16 jcamins      My pleasure.
15:16 david_       *virtual applause*
15:16 marcelr      jcamins++
15:16 cait         yep it was
15:16 eythian      jcamins: I hope you'll like your video and slides from the wiki
15:16 cait         jcamins++
15:16 eythian      it'd be handy to send to people asking about it
15:16 eythian      *link
15:16 jcamins      eythian: yeah.
15:17 jcamins      I had some issues with transcoding, so I didn't manage to upload the files to their final resting place yet.
15:17 eythian      ah right
15:18 jcamins      tajoli++ # for sending me a copy of his presentation.
15:19 paul_p       drupal-opac URL = http://drupal.org/node/1570804
15:20 cait         debian packages?
15:20 wahanui      debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org
15:20 cait         packages?
15:20 wahanui      somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:23 jcamins      Bug 8212
15:23 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Omnibus bug report for C & P authority developments
15:24 talljoy1     jcamins.  good presentation.  I liked the funny pause in the middle.  And no worries, we heard every word.  ;-)
15:25 jcamins      talljoy1: I realized after getting through the first part that I wasn't actually sure if I'd managed to record it.
15:25 jcamins      So I stopped it to check.
15:25 jcamins      Then I couldn't figure out how to resume recording.
15:26 jcamins      So I just started a new clip.
15:26 talljoy1     whatever works, right?
15:31 rangi        cait: https://launchpad.net/~chris-bigballofwax/+archive/3.8.x-dailybuild
15:31 cait         thx
15:32 * jcamins    munches on a couple of German biscotti.
15:34 * talljoy1   looks for biscotti   <.<     >.>
15:36 jcamins      clrh: around?
15:36 marcelr      1,5m before me; listening :-)
15:37 clrh         jcamins: yep!
15:37 jcamins      marcelr: oh, I thought I was the very last presentation. Guess I got confused.
15:38 jcamins      clrh: I wanted to let you know that as part of bug 7417 and bug 8211 I'll be doing more clean up of C4::Search, moving things over to Koha::Search::Engine.
15:38 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
15:38 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search
15:38 jcamins      Oops, need to adjust 7417 to ASSIGNED.
15:38 clrh         jcamins: great, I have to share last works we done with you and others at hackfest
15:39 mbalmer      biblibre++ for the Drupal module!
15:39 clrh         juste "moving" can be not suffisant
15:39 clrh         suffisant = enougth(sorry)
15:40 jcamins      clrh: sufficient is an English word too. :)
15:40 jcamins      clrh: I'm not *just* moving.
15:40 clrh         :)
15:40 jcamins      In order to move code to Koha::Search, it has to be cleaned up a lot, or it won't work in its new home.
15:41 clrh         jcamins: ++
15:41 clrh         clean clean ;)
15:41 jcamins      I am not entirely rewriting C4::Search, but better to have somewhat icky (but not as icky as what we have now!) code in Koha:: and the ability to introduce solr, than wait until someone has the time to entirely rewrite the Zebra interface.
15:43 clrh         ô icky new word for me :)
15:44 wizzyrea     so when you need to explain the internet to people, you can use this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WwyJGzZmBe8
15:44 jcamins      clrh: disgusting/ugly/bad.
15:44 clrh         yep I saw
15:45 clrh         but why cleaning it into Koha:: and not C4:: for the moment?
15:45 eythian      http://www.amazon.com/Story-About-Ping-Marjorie-Flack/dp/0140502416 <-- wizzyrea, also this book
15:45 wizzyrea     :P
15:46 jcamins      clrh: because we want to separate the code.
15:46 marcelr      kohacon12 closed
15:47 rangi        now we have to figure out what we are doing tonight
15:47 jcamins      clrh: we could create a C4::Search::Engine* but that would just make things even messier, and wouldn't reduce circular dependencies.
15:47 wizzyrea     pubs!
15:47 mbalmer      pubs
15:47 mbalmer      more pubs
15:47 wizzyrea     maybe some pubs.
15:48 clrh         yes but if you write into Koha:: you/we will maybe have to rewrite it
15:48 jcamins      clrh: if I write into C4, it'll still have to be rewritten.
15:49 SJeffery     jcamins: Very nice presentation
15:49 jcamins      clrh: my goal is to have things work, improve the quality of the code, and get solr into 3.12, if not 3.10.
15:49 jcamins      SJeffery: thanks.
15:49 jcamins      clrh: I have funding to do some work now. I think it's better to do it right from the start.
15:49 jcamins      If we use C4::Search::Engine, that means we'll have to use C4::Search.
15:50 jcamins      Which means that we will have to load the entire C4:: menagerie every time we want to do a search.
15:51 jcamins      I'd rather clean up some code as part of this project, but if you're planning on doing all the refactoring, I can leave it as it is in C4. ;)
15:52 jcamins      (I mean, not you personally, that would be too much... just if you had a plan for it all)
15:53 Joubu        Drink for me at pubs !
15:53 Joubu        bye
15:55 jcamins      Enjoy the pubbing. :)
15:59 hdl1         jcamins: any RFC link for C&P devs ?
16:02 jcamins      hdl1: not yet. I'll be sending them out shortly.
16:02 jcamins      Well, probably tomorrow.
16:02 clrh         (sorry jcamins I am talking with Stefano)
16:03 jcamins      clrh: no problem. :)
16:17 clrh         ok jcamins I read
16:17 clrh         I will share you the result of hackfest :)
16:17 clrh         we will drink and eat and
16:17 clrh         have a good evening
16:18 jcamins      ENjoy.
16:18 jcamins      *Enjoy
16:43 slef         ta jcamins_away
16:50 Morthland    Is there a way to add a font to the patron card creator?
16:58 SJeffery     Did anyone ever get around to arrange a Koha users gathering at ALA?
17:04 slef         SJeffery: is ALA now?
17:05 SJeffery     It starts about the 21st
17:08 rangi        Thanks slef
17:12 slef         rangi: np. did you want the o2 leaflet too?
17:13 slef         rangi: lucky you stuck it to something with your number on ;)
17:13 rangi        Yeah!
17:13 slef         SJeffery: ah then I've not seen nothing yet
17:23 mle          back to teviot soon. anupne there?
17:23 mle          slef where are you at? ia anyone about
17:32 SJeffery     Maybe we could get one of the vendors to organize it? *prods bywater*
17:51 slef         mle: soory no... doctors may contain nuts
17:53 slef         SJeffery: I think we distracted bywater with kohacon12. Try asking NateC when he says hi or use @later tell NateC whatever
17:53 slef         SJeffery: why don't the users organise users meetups?
17:54 * slef       is ignorant co-op worker
17:54 SJeffery     For the usual reason: lack of time/ability/desire to organize it :)
17:55 slef         sooo if there is not enough desire, why would a vendor...?
17:55 wizzyrea     if you have no desire to organize it why would anyone attend?
17:56 SJeffery     On the part of the individual, not the collective group...someone always has to spend the time
17:56 slef         so club together, hire a vendor to organise it?
17:57 slef         else you all just pay more for them to gamble
17:57 slef         and get less say about the meeting
17:57 * wizzyrea   is not going to ALA this year
17:58 SJeffery     I can put something together in the next few days...probably something along the lines of "get together this or that room/location and chat about Koha"
17:58 slef         but I don't know... all these library confs seem like they overcharge vendors who then just overcharge libraries...
17:58 SJeffery     so true
17:58 * wizzyrea   would probably find a restaurant and enjoy talking about koha with food and booze.
17:58 slef         ah so is there no charge from ALA for the meetup?
17:58 mle          anyone still in town?
17:59 SJeffery     IIRC ala is something like $10k/booth
17:59 slef         mle: probably
17:59 wizzyrea     slef: not if you do the meetup in the hallway track :P
17:59 SJeffery     Right, I was thinking something informal to just allow people to get together and hang out
17:59 * mle        wonders where
17:59 wahanui      wonders is it is too early on Sunday for Koha db questions?  lol
18:00 slef         I have rangi's number but I'm sure he is doing a beer tour starting at the beehive (?) 1930 and they maxed out the number of free places
18:00 mle          slef ty for taking the eusa laptop
18:01 * mle        goes home
18:01 slef         mle: tried the doctors?
18:01 slef         I think the hard part is in town AND online
18:02 slef         wahanui: it is far too early on Sunday
18:02 wahanui      ...but it is confusing for someone to be working on a bug and the assignee field is either wrong or blank...
18:02 wizzyrea     forget it
18:02 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot it
18:02 slef         wahanui: I don't care!
18:02 wahanui      slef: sorry...
18:02 slef         wizzyrea: you brain surgeon you
18:03 bag          yup ALA charges if you want a meeting room
18:03 bag          I won't be attending ALA..
18:03 bag          The best way is to have a meetup at a pub ;)
18:03 slef         mle: soooo... I suggested the koha vendors needed to merge or form a cartel... and they laughed at me :/
18:05 bag          There is some money left over from Kudos conference - That vtl was thinking about using to have a little get together (but I don't know the status of that)
18:05 bag          schuster may have a better idea on that too
18:05 slef         bag: and then you have to charge libraries more and then libraries have to cut costs and close branches and fire librarians... and who is ALA meant to be helping exactly?
18:05 mle          just laughed or did you manage to ellicita reason?
18:05 bag          I agree slef
18:05 bag          seems to be helping themselves (ALA that is)
18:05 slef         mle: just laughed at that bit... but we got reactions later
18:13 slef         bag: librarians, please take control of your association?
18:13 bag          PLEASE
18:14 slef         it's very tempting to say that loudly... but also damaging to one's own business :(
18:14 mle          slef it needs to be said/suggested in a low threatening manner
18:15 slef         mle: yeah I'm as subtle as a molotov
18:15 bag          I don't totally agree…  we're not like other vendors - librarians are the star…  ALA was great to attend when I worked the circ desk, etc…
18:15 bag          but now you've summed it up well…  more librarian control ;)
18:16 mle          bag: ok how to get there?
18:16 slef         I guess there are pro managers at ALA
18:17 bag          ALA has pro managers (field officers I think they are called)….  Most of the round tables and actual talks/programs are mostly librarian run..
18:17 bag          BUT ALA does have a bottomline number they need to keep up ;)
18:18 wizzyrea     I'm sure running the conference itself isn't cheap.
18:18 slef         wizzyrea: who knows? Do ALA members see the conference budget afterwards?
18:18 slef         or any summary of it, more likely
18:19 slef         you don't need to know that someone paid £10 for a last-minute box of paperclips because they were lost in transit
18:20 wizzyrea     don't get me wrong I'm not defending it
18:20 mle          i reckon we could do a green version in a big tent and make it fun, green and cheap.
18:20 slef         you do need to know how much the conference is taking out of libraries
18:20 slef         mle: kohacon 2022?
18:20 mle          no silly hotel costs
18:21 slef         mle: silly heater costs? Have you seen the weather outside?
18:21 * slef       waits for the gag about slef and hot air...
18:21 mle          http://www.greenandaway.org/page.cfm?pageid=ga-home
18:22 * slef       is happily disappointed
18:22 jwagner      slef, wait for it....
18:22 slef         so who runs ALA? Librarians or officers?
18:23 mle          i met investment banker who was raving about a connference he went to at green and awY. he had never slept i a tent before
18:23 slef         yeah not sure I have since I was 7... I should not be so negative
18:24 mle          quote they even had shpwers in a tent.
18:24 mle          anyhow... bbl
18:24 wizzyrea     http://www.ala.org/aboutala/missionhistory/history
18:24 slef         tata
18:25 wizzyrea     haha
18:25 wizzyrea     The aim of the Association, in that resolution, was "to enable librarians to do their present work more easily and at less expense."
18:25 wizzyrea     ohh kayyy
18:25 slef         is that glamping
18:25 slef         wizzyrea: yeah and in reality? ;)
18:25 mleaway      uberglamping
18:25 wizzyrea     "to give librarians a chance to look and feel important in the presence of their peers?"
18:25 slef         wizzyrea: I can point to co-ops that say one thing and maybe do another
18:26 * wizzyrea   is a terrible cynic
18:26 wizzyrea     anyway bye ;)
18:26 slef         ok ttfn wizzyrea
20:03 wajasu       when doing a git dev install, for v3.08.01 i get DateTime::TimeZone 1.26 module required, and I have 1.20.  What is the best what to get the 1.26 version? cpan? or deb pkg from?
20:09 wajasu       i did a git -b my381 v3.08.01  to hopefully be alligned with debian squeeze.  i already have the koha-common pkg installed.
20:10 libsysguy    how did you install it the first time wajasu?
20:15 wajasu       i build a virgin debian vm. i installed   apt-get install koha-common  and editing and things worked.  now i did a git clone, and want to do  perl Makefile.PL
20:16 wajasu       makefile.PL reports that I need 1.26.     I used the debian netinst ISO.
20:18 wajasu       should i had the debian wheezy repo and do   apt-cache libdatetime-perl    then  apt-get install libdatetime-perl=1.26  (or 1.46)?
20:19 wajasu       or should i add the squeeze-dev  repo?
20:20 wajasu       squuze-dev is technically pre wheezy i think.
20:20 wizzyrea     you can't apt-get install libdatetime-timezone-perl
20:21 wizzyrea     oh nm you said it's got a version mismatch
20:21 wajasu       yeah
20:26 wajasu       i just wonder what repo has version 1.26 and why my git -b my381 v3.08.01   working branch requires it to build.
20:26 dpavlin      I'm running on squeeze using DateTime::TimeZone 1.20
20:27 wizzyrea     yea, same
20:27 wizzyrea     typo maybe?
20:27 dpavlin      http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/DROLSKY/DateTime-TimeZone-1.46/Changes doesn't list anything which I should be warried about between 1.20 and 1.26 ;-)
20:32 dpavlin      It's hard to say. Dependecy was introduced in Bug 5549 together with bunch of others...
20:32 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Hourly Loans
20:33 * dpavlin    hm! It seems that commit message (which I got using git blame C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm) references wrong bug...
20:35 dpavlin      Anyhow, I would probably decreate version to 1.20 to make squeeze happy (see git show c82d114f)
20:35 dpavlin      s/decreate/decrease/
20:35 wajasu       i'll go that route.
20:39 wizzyrea     imagemagick?
20:39 wizzyrea     graphicsmagick?
20:39 wahanui      graphicsmagick is, like, avaliable in package form for the following Operating Systems: Version 1.1.11 in Lenny, 1.3.12 in Squeeze, 1.3.5 in Sid and Ubuntu Lucid. Regarding the update message, all Koha functions still work even if you only have Version 1.1.11
20:39 wizzyrea     see, there's a version mismatch here too, but everything still works
20:39 wizzyrea     and there was a bit of an outrage over lowering the versoin.
20:39 wizzyrea     version.
20:39 wahanui      hmmm... version is wrong
20:39 wizzyrea     forget version
20:39 wahanui      wizzyrea: I forgot version
20:40 schuster     I have a question about zebraindexing...  I've been doing some work with it now for 3 days and realized today that it was spinning a bunch of lines as it "sort/merges"
20:40 pastebot     "schuster" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this indicitive of a memory type leak?" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/437
20:41 schuster     I think last night when it died I thought it was disc space, but I was only at 80% - today in watching this I had a TON of these lines...
20:42 schuster     I'm on Version 3.06.04 ...
20:51 dpavlin      schuster: do you have anything useful in /var/log/koha/*/zebra-error.log ?
21:03 schuster     let me check
21:05 schuster     nothing but "stopping" messages which would be normal.
21:06 dpavlin      strange. kill all processes and hope that you won't run out of disk space again. zebra does need quite a bit of space to do full reindex...
21:06 dpavlin      and once it dies it can produce a lot of hanging processes since we run incremental update via cron.
21:07 schuster     the koha-zebradaemon-output.log has 109661 lines of warn ir_session (exception)
21:08 schuster     I thought originally it was disk, but then today I saw all of these "Zebra"  fatal messages when I did ps -ef pages among pages as noted in the paste...
21:09 schuster     Luckily my index of 277,000 bibs actually completed today so we can move forward with community otherwise my tail was on the line and my boss was ready to....
21:09 schuster     I didn't have problems with this during my testing on 3.06.00.14...  3.06.05 has been my nemisis so far but we LOVE the features.
21:11 wizzyrea     schuster did you turn off the zebraqueue cron when you did your indexing?
21:12 wizzyrea     maybe the extras are your backed up zebraqueue cronjobs
21:16 schuster     No I didn't so ???  maybe...  The install instructions though don't say anything about that and what was in the list are like 5-10 every minute.
21:29 wajasu       has anyone seen this before after perl makefile.PL, make,make test, make install, then /etc/init.d.apache2 restart -->
21:29 wajasu       apache2: Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 32 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/koha: E
21:29 wajasu       xpected </cql2rpn>/root/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/pqf.properties</cql2rpn> but saw </server>
21:37 mgeist       Whoot! quitting time.  Cyall on the morrow.
21:45 wajasu       my bad i symbolicly linked the wrong file.  koha-conf.xml instead of koha-httpd.conf
21:45 wajasu       tab completion was not my friend that time
21:48 slef         ah so?
21:48 wahanui      rumour has it ah so is there no charge from ALA for the meetup
21:57 wajasu       ok. my git env is setup using /root/koha-dev  and /root/kohaclone  but i get forbidden!  You don't have permission to access / on this server
21:57 slef         wajasu: check your apache configs, particularly <Directory ...> sections. You may find it easier to try again in /home somewhere.
21:58 wajasu       ok
21:58 slef         many webserver setups are cautious about serving from /root or /etc or /usr because they often contain sensitive files
21:58 slef         you can reconfigure it, but maybe it is a bad idea...
22:00 wajasu       just as quick to start again.  should i be running as a " koha" user account? or such?  thats what might be missing from the INSTALL instructions.
22:01 slef         well some user not used for another purpose, I think
22:02 slef         you may be right that INSTALL assumes people create a new login for a new web app... not strictly necessary but maybe a good idea
22:03 wajasu       i always used to get in trouble with perms and zebra.  we will see this time around.
22:05 slef         oh that is easily done... not too hard to fix with some chown commands... or make much worse
22:05 slef         is there a reason you are not installing the koha-common*deb packages?
22:07 wajasu       i did successfully with a noninteractive shell script that builds a kvm image.  no i am adding git dev support for patch support.
22:07 wajasu       s/no/now/
22:08 slef         oh right
22:09 wajasu       i'm trying to align with the apache-shared stuff. (i.e. reuse the mysql/apache stuff.
22:16 atmanning    can anyone point me to a faq or instructions about why I see zero items added when I import MARC records?    Here's my output: Number of records added	973 Number of records updated	0 Number of records ignored	0 Number of items added	0 Number of items ignored because of duplicate barcode	0
22:16 atmanning    this is a fresh install on Debian squeeze, Koha v 3.8 (koha-commons via apt-get)
22:17 wajasu       have you run the zebra indexer?
22:17 atmanning    I thought the import was supposed to add the items...  does this mean my imported marc records are showing zero items?
22:17 wajasu       or if its in cron, wait until it runs?
22:18 atmanning    where is the indexer found?
22:18 atmanning    nothing found under /var/spool/cron/crontab
22:19 wajasu       there is a section in INSTALL.debian than mentions how to set it up.
22:20 atmanning    i followed this guide: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze    where do I find those install instructions?
22:20 wajasu       did you install koha-common or koha?
22:21 atmanning    koha-common per the wiki instructions
22:21 slef         blurgh, I must sleep soon, but where did the MARC records come from and do they have 952 tags?
22:22 atmanning    pulled them out of a working Winnebago library system.   I don't have a clue about the tags.  I saw some things about a MARC editor that I suppose I could read through - I'd be happy with a mysql query to update an item count somewhere...
22:23 slef         yeah you probably need to make the Koha holdings tags
22:23 atmanning    did a MARC export of 900 records
22:23 slef         there is a sort-of standard for holdings info in tag 852 but I think it is deprecated and koha uses tag 952 anyway
22:24 slef         let me get you the layout of tag 952... then I must sleep
22:24 slef         @marc 952
22:24 wahanui      The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
22:24 huginn`      slef: unknown tag 952
22:24 atmanning    I'd like to try that zebra index thing... looking for it in /usr/share/koha/bin/??
22:25 wajasu       i wrote a program way back, that added one item per in the 952 prior to import, as well as set other things.
22:25 slef         and I am sorry but it is not as simple as a mysql query... you need items added through the Koha API somehow... and updating the MARC before import is probably the simplest
22:26 slef         (I think adding an item updates 2 or maybe more tables, plus gets sent to the zebra indexing server)
22:26 atmanning    I was afraid of that... I think I found the index thing under migration tools --- that seems like an illogical place if it supposed to run all the time
22:27 slef         there is an inglorious historical reason for it... but I think it is in the INSTALL instructions
22:27 atmanning    I still haven't found those instructions.... grrr...
22:28 slef         errr
22:28 slef         did you install from the debian package or the tar.gz?
22:28 mtj          atmanning:  ./INSTALL.debian
22:29 mtj          atmanning:  cron files are in /etc/cron.d
22:29 atmanning    debian package via apt-get koha-commons ... looking for those crons...
22:30 mtj          cat /etc/cron.d/koha-common
22:31 slef         if it is the debian package, it will (should) do the INSTALL steps for you
22:31 mtj          $ dpkg -L koha-common | grep cron.d
22:32 atmanning    those crons are there.... I'll check for logs next - thanks for the help... gotta go eat before I starve to death
22:33 mtj          $ koha-rebuild-zebra your-koha
22:35 atmanning    what's the best way to confirm whether items have been added to my catalog?
22:36 slef         is the problem lack of items or lack of all search resutls?
22:36 slef         look up something with an item available in the catalogue?
22:37 atmanning    grr.. did a report on catalog statistics - zero items.... I think I'll go back to the MARC records and check that 952 field
22:38 atmanning    lack of items and lack of search results too... the koha-rebuild-zebra script didn't complain
22:40 * slef       falls asleep...bbl
22:44 mtj          atmanning:  theres 2 basic parts to your problem...
22:44 mtj          1) is your zebrasrv process running?
22:44 mtj          2) did your zebraidx work successfully?
22:46 mtj          well, and a 3rd part too...
22:47 mtj          3) did your marc records import successfully
22:47 mtj          .
22:48 atmanning    yes, yes, and yes but Marc results (above) show all processed but no items added - I manually added items but I would rather set the item count to 1 on all records for the import
22:49 mtj          ... if your marc records didnt import ok, then the searching or indexing of those non-existent records wont work, either :)
22:49 atmanning    It looks like I have to find a way to edit the MARC redords and put a 1 in the 952 tag somehow...
22:50 mtj          your winnebago marc records dont yet contain the needed $952 item-level fields, for koha
22:51 mtj          yes, you need to create correct $952 info for your records *before* import into Koha
22:51 atmanning    that sounds right ... I was hoping the import would set the item count to 1 ..
22:52 atmanning    now to figure out how to batch modify my marc export file...   any pointers?
22:53 mtj          nope, Koha will not auto-magically create items for your itemless marc records
22:53 atmanning    looks like I'll have to figure out how to get the marc edit to do a search and insert
22:54 mtj          i use perl for that task , some people use a win32 app called marc-edit
22:55 jcamins_away atmanning: koha-rebuild-zebra will only complain if the records are corrupted, and it takes talent to import corrupt records.
22:55 wajasu       i wrote a program in java to do this for me.  i also had isbn records in my legacy library db, and queried a list of z3950 servers to get more biblio info. i'm going to have to contrib that one day.
22:56 wajasu       it took two days to query servers for just 1500 records, since the servers seemed throttled ;)
22:57 wajasu       i mean 15000 records.
22:58 wajasu       what about bulkmarcimport.pl
22:58 mtj          youknow... a really nice project would be marc2koha.pl script - that converted many other ILS marc records to koha's $952 format
22:59 mtj          $ marc2koha.pl --source-format=winnebago --input=winny.mrc --output=koha.mrc
23:00 mtj          $ marc2koha.pl --source-format=dynix --input=winny.mrc --output=koha.mrc
23:00 mtj          etc...
23:01 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox?
23:01 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox is amazing
23:01 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox is also https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
23:01 wahanui      okay, jcamins_away.
23:02 jcamins_away druthb's migration toolbox?
23:02 wahanui      druthb's migration toolbox is, like, amazing or https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
23:03 wajasu       yeah. i coded it in java 3 years ago.  it read all the records into a hsql database, and allowed sql queries and matched to z3950 servers, and other smarts like utf8 normalization.
23:03 wajasu       good to know there is another solution
23:05 mtj          jcamins_away:  nice!
23:06 mtompset     Hello, #koha. :)
23:10 mtj          catalyst's  csv2marc.pl would be a great start, then add some feature to create a new mapping via a yaml file?
23:11 jcamins_away mtj: I prefer druthb's scripts... they're a lot more flexible.
23:11 mtj          $ marc2koha.pl --mapping-file=dynix.yaml --input=dynix.mrc --output=koha.mrc
23:13 mtompset     What's being discussed?
23:21 mtj          jcamins_away:  more flexible than the csv2marc.pl script...?
23:22 jcamins_away mtj: that's what I find, yeah.
23:22 mtj          see - a general koha2marc.pl script would help newcomers to koha solve a big problem....
23:23 jcamins_away mtj: agreed.
23:23 mtj          (as atmanning has just demonstrated to us)
23:23 jcamins_away mtj: I was thinking maybe we should be able to import using the CSV profiles feature.
23:23 mtj          hmm, what is that?
23:23 wahanui      well, that is maybe broken
23:24 mtompset     wahanui forget that
23:24 wahanui      mtompset: I forgot that
23:24 jcamins_away CSV profiles? Look in the administration section.
23:31 mtj          ah, gotcha  :)
23:34 mtj          atmanning: can you paste a winnebago marc record please?  -> http://paste.koha-community.org/
23:57 jcamins_away cait-m_! What are you doing up?!?