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22:48 slef I mean: help! ;)
22:48 slef if anyone knows if it can work/be made to work on debian... help ;)
22:45 slef bencahill: I'm going to have to leave those last two for later because I am currently failing to test webex
22:41 bencahill slef: I like doing fun stuff like these, though: http://youtu.be/qNd8MuRG85M and http://youtu.be/GMTYJ3hFEdw
22:40 slef I guess I may open a google account just to upload these there :-/
22:39 bencahill Here's a simple video I took with one camera at our last youth orchestra concert: http://youtu.be/1oT9DXAvNg0
22:39 bencahill slef: Normally mine are for playing on the computer or DVD. If uploading, YouTube.
22:38 slef where do you upload videos to?
22:37 bencahill I think the only device I use that doesn't support it is my H2
22:37 bencahill Ah, that sucks...
22:36 slef but I was reminded today it does not like SDHC
22:36 bencahill hehe
22:36 slef I still carry that because I think you could set a bomb off and it would keep recording
22:35 bencahill hehe
22:35 slef heh... one of them is not even SD... QVGA antique
22:35 bencahill At one of my brother's recitals, I used 4 cameras (3 still cams that took video and a pocket cam)...I love different angles. :P
22:34 bencahill slef: Yeah, I can totally see that...and if the rest are SD anyway...
22:34 slef tomorrow, we will have 5 cameras!
22:34 * bencahill is extremely paranoid about data as well :P
22:34 slef oh even the HD camera here, I am running in SD because of disk space
22:34 bencahill Yes.
22:34 bencahill I'm still getting used to HD video, as many of our computers here can't handle it natively.
22:34 slef I am glad that I am paranoid on days like today
22:33 slef there will be a few gaps in today's presentation recordings
22:33 slef yeah
22:33 bencahill slef: Wow, that's quite unfortunate. :-/
22:33 bencahill Ouch
22:32 slef I think today, I had one camera crash, 2 battery deaths and 3 full memories
22:32 slef oops!
22:32 slef in a crate
22:32 slef so it is 400 miles south of here
22:32 * bencahill has 2 1TB externals and a 2TB external. :)
22:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
22:32 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
22:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #39: FIXED in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/39/
22:32 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
22:31 bencahill lol
22:31 slef yeah... and I remember looking at the TB disk and thinking "nah, why would I need that"
22:31 bencahill slef: Oh my, that's quite a challenge. The worst I've done is getting video cams set up for my brother and play a concert. ;)
22:30 bencahill slef: Ah, cool. Yeah, space can be an issue. :P
22:30 slef bencahill: I am trying to capture kohacon12... while also chairing half of it
22:30 slef bencahill: video, yes
22:22 bencahill (or are you talking video?)
22:22 bencahill slef: What cameras? (/me is interested in photography quite a bit)
21:47 slef Only reason I didn't use the 4th is I forgot I had it with me.
21:47 slef I have 4 cameras with me. I used 3 :-/
21:46 * slef shuffles files around for all he's worth, trying to make sure he has enough disk if tomorrow is as annoying with cameras as today
21:45 wizzyrea tl:dr - vary your anchor text.
21:44 wizzyrea http://www.seomoz.org/blog/recovering-from-the-penguin-update-a-true-story#jtc182327
21:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #39 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 16 hr ago)
21:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
21:42 cait bye libsysguy :)
21:42 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake
21:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
21:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/38/
21:41 libsysguy cya tomorrow
21:41 libsysguy anyway im out for the evening
21:39 libsysguy so hearing it is pretty makes me happy lol
21:39 libsysguy but for today, all I've been workin on is the look
21:39 libsysguy and missed the mark on what I was trying to do
21:39 libsysguy but i think i got stuck on that
21:39 libsysguy I really like the way google calendar handles dates etc
21:38 libsysguy i keep thinking of this as a calendar and not sending notices
21:38 libsysguy I thought about having a counter, it really makes more sense
21:38 libsysguy so I am trying to work out the recurrence
21:38 cait but you would still need a counter fo rhow many you want to send
21:38 cait I think having a stop and start date perhaps makes sense for when you want to factor in vacation / closed periods of time
21:37 libsysguy so I am thinking infinate notices
21:37 libsysguy well I am working on the rewrite
21:37 cait if you want up to 3 letters
21:37 libsysguy now that I think about it i mgiht too
21:37 cait but a date wouldn't work I think?
21:37 cait I might misunderstand that
21:37 cait hm
21:36 libsysguy you send them forever
21:36 libsysguy so if stop is null
21:36 cait libsysguy: I mean they would change all the time?
21:36 libsysguy the dates are for when to stop and start
21:36 cait libsysguy: but why the dates?
21:36 libsysguy wee thats what I was going for
21:36 cait yep it does :)
21:36 libsysguy a lot of those questions are in the "add notcie button"
21:36 wizzyrea looks purty tho
21:36 libsysguy cait yeah I need to factor that in
21:35 cait libsysguy: was more thinking something like.... start x days after overdue, freqzency x (every each x days) up to x occurences total
21:34 cait not sure how that is supposed to work
21:34 cait libsysguy: i like the frequency idea - but think we would still need a delay? the dates are confusing to me
21:34 wizzyrea well it's probably pages down in the results
21:34 wizzyrea it does seem broken.
21:33 slef wizzyrea: cyberunions.org suggested using duckduckwent ;)
21:32 rangi that seems broken
21:32 * wizzyrea checks
21:32 * wizzyrea goes to dig up the analytic... oh wait did we put that on piwik?
21:32 rangi i can understand it dropping in rank, but gone altogether
21:32 wizzyrea yea, and webmaster tools are *not helpful*
21:31 rangi finding out why it disappeared woud be the main thing, course they wont tell us why
21:31 rangi yeah
21:31 wizzyrea but it's not like we can just tell people "go use duckduckgo" - google is a verb now
21:31 rangi l
21:31 libsysguy thoughts on http://screencast.com/t/QyASNc5MrN
21:31 rangi coo
21:30 wizzyrea I've submitted it for reconsideration
21:30 wizzyrea so maybe they will update it again
21:30 cait like rangi said, very common for lots of pages
21:30 wizzyrea interestingly, we didn't get spanked until the 1.1 penguin update
21:30 cait but I think then the google algo is broken
21:29 rangi yep its def plausible
21:29 wizzyrea that's what I think? evidence seems to point that way.
21:29 rangi on any one site?
21:28 rangi right, so we thinkg the problem is just the sheer number of them?
21:28 wizzyrea it's text - powered by Koha
21:27 wizzyrea good ?
21:27 wizzyrea but the rest of the things they fixed for that wpmu - we don't have any of those errors.
21:27 rangi what does it do now, an image link, or a text link?
21:26 wizzyrea cait - is not a big deal - but the syspref probably should be changed?
21:26 cait wizzyrea: oups
21:26 wizzyrea there's the case of the wp theme dev
21:25 wizzyrea http://searchengineland.com/first-report-of-google-penguin-recovery-122700
21:25 rangi Proudly powered by WordPress etc
21:25 wizzyrea i mean, I could be reading this wrong.
21:25 wizzyrea right, I guess having the url "wordpress.org" on a link to wordpress.org is better than having an image or a "powered by wordpress"
21:24 rangi a powered by wordpress one
21:24 rangi well wordpress.org itself has a link
21:24 wizzyrea they got heavily penalized.
21:24 wizzyrea insisted they not remove it
21:24 wizzyrea put backlinks on their theme, when people installed it
21:24 wizzyrea a wordpress theme developer
21:23 wizzyrea of ^^^^^^ exactly
21:23 wizzyrea yea, there was a similar case
21:23 rangi like wordpress
21:23 rangi hmm this must happen with other systems too
21:23 wizzyrea bsz has over 100k
21:23 wizzyrea exacterly
21:22 rangi ah each page will have one
21:22 wizzyrea they have a million links to us?
21:22 wizzyrea mdah.state.ms.us 1,316,137
21:22 wizzyrea for example
21:21 wizzyrea about the latest google algorithm update.
21:21 wizzyrea well, reading. mostly.
21:19 SJeffery How can you tell that is the issue vs something else?
21:19 rangi ah right, so we need to fix that syspref eh?
21:18 wizzyrea too many links with formerly-seo-friendly anchor text
21:18 wizzyrea looks that way
21:18 rangi wizzyrea: too many links?
21:17 dunadan That "holds over" thing is a nightmare
21:16 wizzyrea circulation -> holds awaiting pickup -> hold over tab
21:16 wizzyrea yea, there's a hold over tab in holds awaiting pickup
21:15 wizzyrea hm, my best guess as to why this happened to kc.org is because of all of the footer links in koha catalogs.
21:14 dunadan I guess you have to dig it out of the sql tables, somewhere...the things that were cancelled
21:13 dunadan wizzy...this doesn't create a report anywhere does it. would be nice to know what holds to pull off of "waiting" shelf
21:12 slef looks thorny to me
21:12 slef paul_p comments about taking 2h on one step
21:12 slef it's a fun read
21:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, Expire holds that have been waiting too long
21:11 wizzyrea bug 7408
21:11 slef heh... glad... I need a good 30mins to understand 7408
21:10 dunadan OK. got it now. It's a syspref called ExpireReservesMaxPickupDelay, thanks.
21:05 dunadan sorry about that, bug (7408) mentioned, yes
21:04 slef dunadan: mentioned in release notes you say?
21:04 slef and I'm too short and scrawny...
21:03 dunadan cancel_expired_holds.pl can capture and cancel them.
21:03 dunadan these expiration dates based on the ReservesMaxPickupDelay value, so that
21:03 dunadan librarian has to set it manually. What's needed is an automated way of adding
21:03 dunadan expiration date; it's not filled in by the holds fill process. The patron or
21:03 dunadan and thus moved to the old_reserves table. Not every waiting hold has an
21:03 dunadan No, cancel_expired_holds.pl moves holds from being expired to being cancelled,
21:01 cait I would offer a tshirt - but you probably prefer eythian's ;)
21:01 drojf ok, thats the right city at least
21:01 cait fingers crossed
21:01 rangi hopefully they deliver it early tomorrow
21:01 rangi it is somewhere in edinburgh, i think with the courier
21:01 drojf how is that even possible?
21:00 wizzyrea oy, stinky lost bag.
21:00 drojf where did they send it now?
21:00 rangi ill have to borrow a tshirt from eythian tomorrow i think
21:00 wizzyrea :P
21:00 wizzyrea nm, I'm blocking that site from my results.
21:00 drojf :(
21:00 drojf oh
21:00 rangi no :(
21:00 drojf rangi: got your stuff?
20:59 rangi hmm?
20:59 wizzyrea oh, well what you all missed
20:55 drojf good evening
20:55 sekjal have a good one, all!
20:55 sekjal gtg
20:54 sekjal dunadan: there is misc/cronjobs/holds/cancel_expired_holds.pl
20:54 dunadan sekjal: what is it called?
20:54 sekjal wizzyrea: delete is my vote
20:53 wizzyrea sekjal - delete the meta robots or replace it with something else
20:53 sekjal dunadan: there is a feature to handle hold expiry if they've been waiting too long
20:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #38 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 15 hr ago)
20:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8160 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
20:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , The: IssuingInProcess configuration setting is working in reverse.
20:53 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
20:53 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
20:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #37: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/37/
20:53 dunadan hmm..it was mentioned in the koha-3-8-0-released notes....
20:52 sekjal dunadan: no, there isn't a script with that name
20:52 dunadan Does koha 3.8 have a script called expire_holds_over.pl?
20:49 Dunadan Does Koha 3.8 have a script called expire_holds_over.pl..??
20:47 sekjal per: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/03/using-robots-meta-tag.html
20:47 sekjal to remove entirely, I think, as that content appears to be non-standard
20:47 sekjal we may want to update our <meta name="robots" content="index,follow" />
20:46 slef and well done to anyone knowing that reference :)
20:46 slef with a small aaubergine
20:46 sekjal http://www.seomoz.org/google-algorithm-change
20:46 slef at home
20:46 slef we must make it ourselves
20:46 slef we cannot trust private-run search engines to Do The Right Thing
20:45 wizzyrea sekjal*
20:45 wizzyrea link to what they did sekfal?
20:45 slef so everyone, please link koha-community.org in your email sigs and on social nets and so on
20:44 slef sekjal: yeah. Made a bloody mess
20:44 slef I want to be kibo 2.0
20:44 sekjal updated Google algorithm on May 25
20:43 slef I just don't always read everything
20:43 cait scary :)
20:43 cait I will clean the pages a bit then
20:43 slef I see everything
20:43 cait ok
20:43 slef cait: delete I think
20:43 cait slef: saw my question?
20:43 slef sorry lost connection
20:43 slef mbalmer: NEED SLEEP
20:41 cait slef: want me to mark the presentations that didn't take place? or just delete them from program and wiki?
20:40 wizzyrea like a rock.
20:40 wizzyrea then it fell off
20:40 wizzyrea which is not great but at least on the first page
20:40 wizzyrea yea, up to 5/31 it was over 3k clicks a day, average position 5.1
20:39 sekjal wizzyrea: maybe Google is just hosed at the moment
20:39 wizzyrea it shows green across the board
20:39 wizzyrea there are no messages for k-c.org in webmaster tools
20:39 sekjal I'm hoping for a Groundhog's Day effect...
20:38 mbalmer given enough beer, you can see the transit of venus every day...
20:38 sekjal so, like a pub. and astronomer's pub
20:37 * sekjal is going to go home soon, where there will be beer, and the Transit of Venus
20:37 wizzyrea of course.
20:36 mbalmer jcamins, I was, of course, referring to the Edinburgh people ...
20:36 wizzyrea it's alarming.
20:36 * druthb blames jcamins again
20:36 wizzyrea no idea why it's gone.
20:36 wizzyrea I haven't done anything to the site
20:36 druthb Still working hours, in the central US.
20:36 jcamins mbalmer: it's 15:35.
20:36 mbalmer why are some many of you online and not in a pub? that is scary...
20:35 jcamins Here she is!
20:35 wizzyrea i'm here
20:35 SJeffery Google has been doing some pretty rough SEO updates lately, so it would not surprise me if the site was penalized in some fashion.
20:35 slef (not on my laptop yet)
20:35 slef is there a meta tag with gibberish on the page?
20:34 slef I think it's on webmaster tools no?
20:34 cait I think they can do stuff like that if you do evil seo tricks, but we didn't
20:34 rangi hmm not a robots.txt or anything?
20:34 sekjal or, rather, N/A
20:34 slef sekjal: ok. is wizzyrea about?
20:34 sekjal page rank is null
20:34 slef SJeffery: me too but I'm not doing any of the jobs needed to do it
20:34 sekjal any, the problem is that koha-community.org is unreachable from Google right now
20:34 rangi thats odd its fallen out, it was difintely in there a couple of days ago
20:33 SJeffery (I can't help myself)
20:33 slef sekjal: yeah. naw
20:33 sekjal I was just using www as a means of being more specific, ie excluding translate.koha-community.org, schema.koha-community.org, etc
20:32 SJeffery I say use www!
20:32 slef sekjal: don't get the www-or-not debate restarted ;)
20:31 slef sekjal: it never used www
20:31 slef now I need to install stuff for jwagner's talk
20:31 sekjal site:www.koha-community.org returns nothing
20:31 slef then we can make more changes
20:31 cait sarah handed me the instructions :)
20:31 sekjal site:koha-community.org returns subdomains, but not the main page
20:31 slef sooner the better...
20:30 cait ah, i will do it in the morning then :)
20:30 slef cait: you've 12 hours ;)
20:30 sekjal we're still getting some results
20:30 cait I haven't even updated the schedule yet slef
20:30 sekjal not blocked
20:30 slef cait is queen of kohacon12
20:30 cait how can this happen? did we get blocked or something?
20:29 cait sekjal: wow
20:29 slef sekjal: site:koha-community.org returns?
20:29 slef cait is not our hero
20:29 sekjal koha-community.org no longer has a google page rank
20:29 slef sorry my mistake
20:29 slef airnz--
20:29 slef rangi: :(
20:28 slef got power
20:28 slef yo
20:24 * rangi was tempted to see what error jenkin threw with it, it should fail all tests (it does locally)
20:22 rangi cool will push that too
20:22 sekjal rangi: yes
20:21 rangi ah yep, i think paul pushed a fix for that?
20:18 sekjal all those, but not www
20:18 sekjal wiki, download, translate, schema
20:18 sekjal not even showing up when searching "koha-community"
20:16 mbalmer oleonard, I am aware of the issue. it is sad.
20:16 sekjal rangi: small typo in latest commit to 3.8.x: dhb instead of dbh
20:16 jcamins That's not good.
20:16 oleonard It's more than that mbalmer
20:16 mbalmer ?
20:16 mbalmer liblime stole our show
20:16 oleonard Wouldn't you expect a search for "koha community" to at least return our home page?
20:15 jcamins !!
20:15 oleonard Not the home page anyway
20:15 oleonard Looks to me like koha-community.org doesn't appear on Google
20:14 jcamins The old instructions were a lot more 10.04-specific.
20:14 bencahill jcamins: Got it. Thanks.
20:14 jcamins Right.
20:14 bencahill (and /var/log/koha)
20:14 bencahill jcamins: i.e. all the stuff with Apache?
20:13 kathryn good morning!
20:13 jcamins You can follow those, except you have to skip step six.
20:13 jcamins So I was mistaken.
20:13 jcamins bencahill: actually, someone updated the instructions.
20:12 bencahill jcamins: Okay, thanks.
20:12 jcamins bencahill: I'm looking for the page.
20:11 bencahill jcamins: Okay...how should I install it on 12.04?
20:11 jcamins bencahill: that's a whole lot of extra steps, that will just mess up 12.04.
20:11 jcamins bencahill: no.
20:10 bencahill I see the Ubuntu install page is for Lucid...can I use it for 12.04 (Precise) as well?
20:10 huginn` druthb: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
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20:04 bencahill Hmm, I'd thought a few days ago koha-community.org was second on google for 'koha', but now it's not even on the first page :-/
20:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #37 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 15 hr ago)
20:02 huginn` mbalmer: dogma has neutral karma.
20:02 mbalmer @karma dogma
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20:00 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.6°C (12:59 PM PDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 5 PM PDT this afternoon...
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19:51 cait Shari++
19:38 paul_p hi cait
19:38 rangi not yet, will be soon i think
19:37 * cait waves
19:36 paul_p hi rangi. not sleeping ? /me remember how I was after the trip to NZ...
19:35 rangi hello paul_p :)
19:27 cait ask slef if you want to know
19:27 cait druthb: nope
19:24 mgeist Have a good afternoon! Cya.
19:24 druthb tell why he thinks you're a hero.
19:23 cait ?
19:23 druthb ahem! do tell!
19:23 cait don't take him serious
19:22 druthb do tell.
19:22 cait that again
19:22 cait ah
19:22 druthb (14:15:19) slef: cait our hero
19:22 cait ?
19:22 druthb heroine!
19:22 druthb cait is a hero!
19:21 wahanui i heard tossing the caber was fun.
19:21 mbalmer and tossing the caber...
19:20 dpavlin haggies++ highly recommended if in scotland :-)
19:19 rangi still no luggage
19:18 rangi dang nabbit
19:16 slef ok no battery... bbl
19:16 slef cait our hero
19:15 slef hope so
19:15 cait-m_ perhaps only missed out on too many hours,of sleep
19:14 * slef may fall offline RSN... battery dying
19:14 slef that's vicious
19:13 slef not nengard's cold?
19:13 mbalmer those librarians are strange... I would prefer haggis & whisky over a cold ;)
19:12 cait-m_ no thx i will take the cold
19:12 jwagner or whiskey
19:12 cait-m_ lol
19:12 mbalmer haggis helps
19:11 jwagner That's not good....
19:11 mbalmer oh noes.
19:11 cait-m_ maybe fighting a cold
19:10 mbalmer already?
19:10 cait-m_ no back at hotel after dinner
19:10 jwagner hi, cait-m_ -- off partying it up?
19:10 jcamins_away Hi cait-m_
19:09 cait-m_ hi #koha
18:40 mbalmer can you privmsg me?
18:40 mib_7yn33s I'm a phantom!?
18:39 mbalmer strange. I dont'see you in the use list of this channel...
18:39 mib_7yn33s Its raining, so I though people would be put off!
18:38 mbalmer hang on. and seen privmsg.
18:38 mib_7yn33s nope!
18:38 mbalmer you have no cell phone numbers?
18:38 RA I am with my wife so today i decided to stay at hotel
18:38 mib_7yn33s no idea where they are!
18:37 mbalmer why dont you join the other guys, mib...?
18:37 mib_7yn33s anyone around Edinburgh (sitting on their own - ala me!) looking for a few tasty pints!?
18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #742: FIXED in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/742/
18:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
18:26 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
18:26 jenkins_koha * kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
18:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
18:26 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
18:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
18:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #36: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/36/
18:25 oleonard No
18:25 libsysguy i feel like that has koha colors written all over it
18:25 libsysguy oleonard have you looked at the 'trontastic' jquery ui theme
18:24 libsysguy I feel your pain sekjal...soon I won't though :p
18:24 oleonard It's a common defect of offices
18:24 * sekjal would definitely prefer the pub... no beer in my office
18:24 RA I came to the hotel
18:23 * libsysguy would probably rather be at the pub though :p
18:23 sekjal hi, RA
18:23 * libsysguy remains behind
18:23 mbalmer no. all gone to the pubs. ;)
18:23 RA Anybody there?
18:22 RA Hello
17:31 slef wizzyrea_mibbit: didyou get my email about wordpress uploads?
17:27 slef got beer
17:27 slef never mind!
17:27 slef heh, wrong bar
17:25 wizzyrea_mibbit shari++ :D
17:24 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9928&action=edit patch, Bug 8119 - Followup Show hint when disabling active currency checkbox, Bug-8119---Followup-Show-hint-when-disabling-activ.patch
17:24 jcamins Attachment 9928
17:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8119 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Show hint when disabling active currency checkbox
17:24 jcamins Bug 8119
17:22 wizzyrea_mibbit i love conference time in the IRC channel
17:19 slef door locked :) have beer
17:11 * slef waits for the door-locker
17:11 slef are they still in the bar?
17:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #742 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 8 days 0 hr ago)
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , $sqlwhere is undefined in C4::Serials in GetSubscriptions
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8161 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
17:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere
17:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface
17:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
17:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake
17:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 : Captured Holds may need to generate a transfer
17:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 Self Check Should Capture Hold Items
17:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #741: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/741/
16:48 jcamins Yay!
16:47 francharb jcamins, i figured out how analytics works (the 'used in' column...)
16:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #36 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 11 hr ago)
16:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , quick slips issuing does not work
16:47 jenkins_koha wizzyrea: Bug 8129 - Quickslips not printing
16:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/35/
16:37 slef ttyl
16:35 cait first conf day over! :)
16:35 talljoy lol
16:35 mbalmer them, too
16:34 talljoy and gals
16:34 mbalmer enjoy the pubs, guys!
16:34 nengard good night all
16:34 nengard and now we're done :)
16:34 nengard yes
16:34 eythian often set up to be biased towards a certain product
16:33 jcamins Oh. I see.
16:33 cait a list of features that should be in an ils
16:33 clrh jcamins: features comparison between softwares
16:33 jcamins What's a feature checklist?
16:32 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/2q7sa29i1d2ixeolHYpLuC
16:32 * talljoy is reminded of Mel Gibson's portrayal of WIlliam Wallace....'FREEDOM'.
16:32 nengard "features are now freedom is forever" says chris
16:31 cait mgeist++ :)
16:31 nengard that's an easy one - but if one ILS calls it 'community outreach' and another calls it 'circ rules' then when it says 'no' it looks like it's not there when in reality the feature is there
16:30 talljoy mgeist++
16:30 nengard suspending holds Yes/No
16:30 wizzyrea_mibbit mgeist just signed off on her first patch :)
16:30 nengard so :
16:30 nengard checklists have a bias from the person who wrote it
16:30 jcamins Feature checklists?
16:30 nengard the entire panel says "no"
16:30 nengard and are they valuable
16:30 nengard one question was about feature checklists
16:29 nengard general questions about Koha and teaching staff about Koha
16:28 * oleonard wonders what the q/a is about?
16:27 mbalmer oh, sorry.
16:26 cait mbalmer: warning: you are on the big screen at the conf - we are having a question and answer session :)
16:26 mbalmer how's edinburgh?
16:26 mbalmer just joined the 3M SIP3 implementers meeting.
16:26 mbalmer ola
16:24 francharb but on the host item level, I didn't see how it works yet...
16:24 francharb If I'm on the analytical record, I can see the link within the marc record to the host item
16:24 cait :)
16:23 francharb cait, I use easy analytical records and it's the number of biblios linked to one specific item
16:22 Morthland Can I trigger a test email somehow?
16:21 francharb nengard, cait, thank you! we can talk about it later then!
16:20 nengard francharb yes, jcamins is best to answer that, but I can explain it a little bit
16:20 cait francharb: but I think it might require using easy analytics and is the numbe rof items you linked? (perhaps)
16:20 francharb cait, it's pretty specific...
16:20 cait francharb: i think jcamins will answre this in his presentation
16:19 * oleonard directs francharb to jcamins
16:19 * oleonard was privileged to get to go to Hackfest and must save is travel budget for other things
16:19 francharb anyone who knows how analytical records works? I understood almost everything but i'm still wandering this : how the number in the "used in" column is calculated in the analytics tab?
16:18 nengard hehe
16:18 sekjal oleonard: about a 12-13 hour drive....
16:17 leeinbutte hello to nekls
16:17 nengard I dont have an answer to that one ? get on a plane :) see you tomorrow!
16:16 nengard OH! :)
16:16 oleonard ಠ_à²
16:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Why isn't Owen at NEKLS for the KohaCon12 ?
16:16 oleonard Bug 8193
16:16 cait leeinbutte++ :
16:16 leeinbutte :)
16:16 nengard Just let me know what questions are for the panel (versus those in the channel)
16:16 * oleonard waves to leeinbutte
16:15 oleonard Morthland: I don't know how to advise you, but I'm guessing there are lots of resources to be Googled
16:15 cait and you can participate by asking questions :)
16:15 nengard We're at KohaCon and on a panel answering your questions
16:15 * oleonard is talking to himself?
16:15 jcamins SJeffery: it's KohaCon.
16:15 cait there is a question and answer session at kohacon - so not an irc meeting :)
16:15 oleonard oleonard: I don't know how to advise you, but I'm guessing there are lots of resources to be Googled
16:15 SJeffery Wait, there's a meeting? Where is the agenda?
16:14 oleonard Morthland: Your question is really a general one about Linux server administration.
16:14 mib_mzsn6e :)
16:14 Morthland How can I do it for my system?
16:13 oleonard Morthland: That's just for git
16:13 mgeist Thank you. That worked.
16:12 Morthland Is this what I want? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Set_up_a_SMTP_server
16:12 cait that's a good plan - I missed it too last time I was checking :)
16:12 nengard it's on the wiki - but it could be bolder - so I'll make it bolder! :)
16:12 nengard test/test,
16:10 mgeist Its not on the wiki, just checked.
16:10 nengard anyone have questions for the panel?
16:10 nengard I think
16:10 cait mgeist: I am not sure, wizzyrea or paul_p?
16:10 nengard that info is on the wiki
16:10 Morthland I do not know what that means?
16:09 mgeist What are the passwords for the sandboxes?
16:08 Morthland I would like it to send from our godaddy account, or perhaps gmail.
16:07 wahanui whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
16:07 Morthland or whatever.
16:07 Morthland the SMTP
16:07 Morthland That is what I want to configure
16:07 Morthland I haven't sent a single email.
16:06 oleonard Morthland: What aspect of email notifications are you trying to configure?
16:06 nengard you're on the big screen :)
16:06 Morthland ?
16:06 nengard Hello #koha - we're doing a general Q/A session now - so feel free to send your questions via IRC
16:06 Morthland How do I configure email notifications
16:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Why isn't Owen at NEKLS for the KohaCon12 ?
16:06 paul_p oleonard = you can send a fix for this problem (bug 8193)
16:04 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.0°C (11:04 AM CDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
16:04 druthb @wunder 66046
16:04 * oleonard doesn't know!
16:04 huginn` sekjal: Error: No such location could be found.
16:04 sekjal @wunder NEKLS
16:04 wizzyrea_mibbit why *aren't* you at nekls :)
16:04 paul_p oleonard = you're the only one knowing :D :D
16:04 druthb that is a very good question. we have a seat here for you.
16:03 jcamins oleonard: I don't know! Why aren't you at NEKLS?
16:03 oleonard So the question is really why am I not at NEKLS?
16:03 jcamins oleonard: 'cause I couldn't go to Edinburgh.
16:02 oleonard jcamins: Why are you at NEKLS?
16:02 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
16:02 jcamins sandboxes?
16:02 gaetan_B bye !
16:01 libsysguy i was just looking for some consistency among page layouts
16:01 libsysguy i guess we could set the width to 1024
16:00 libsysguy that is what I thought
16:00 oleonard libsysguy: Depends on the static width. Some pages will get too cramped below 1024px wide
15:58 libsysguy ^^ maybe for oleonard
15:58 libsysguy would there be a foreseeble problem with removing the full screen aspects of the staff client and setting the content area toa static width?
15:58 Morthland How can I configure email notifications?
15:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery tabs to current jQueryUI version
15:57 * oleonard sets a plate of cookies next to Bug 8143
15:56 jcamins Ah.
15:56 francharb ;)
15:56 francharb somebody got married recently apparently
15:55 francharb in the conference room
15:55 jcamins What?
15:55 francharb it's a just married balloon
15:55 jcamins We're at NEKLS.
15:54 francharb cait, there is a balloon above you, right?
15:52 SJeffery lol yes, it should make a significant difference for libraries that use authorities a lot.
15:51 cait I think?
15:51 cait yay :)
15:51 SJeffery Well, most of the authority updates are now funded:)
15:50 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (3:00 AM NZST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Steady).
15:50 rangi @wunder nzwn
15:50 talljoy brrrrrr
15:50 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 12.8°C (4:49 PM BST on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
15:50 cait @wunder EDI
15:50 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
15:50 cait @wunder Edinburgh, Scotland
15:50 drojf :D
15:50 drojf omg i'm on tv
15:50 sekjal greetings from Massachusetts!
15:49 * oleonard waves from Ohio
15:49 rangi heh
15:49 talljoy lol
15:49 cait rangi: don#t make us kick you ;)
15:49 oleonard Hi Kohacon!
15:49 rangi rude
15:49 rangi something else rude
15:49 francharb hi all
15:49 talljoy you guys are going on big screen at kohacon
15:49 * cait waves
15:49 rangi something rude
15:46 sekjal is anyone going to watch the Transit of Venus today?
15:31 mtompset DOH! I missed my chance to complain about no access to the wiki. I'll have to remember tomorrow.
15:29 mtompset Hello, SJeffery
15:27 paul_p magnus_away = I've been told that you just had a baby ? and his name is "Leonard" !
15:27 slef brb
15:25 rangi paul_p: cool :)
15:24 wajasu thx
15:23 slef wajasu: debconf or dpkg options I think. You can tell it not to stop at least
15:21 wajasu my script ot build a virtual machine debiansqueeze+mysql+koha-common pauses because a notice is in the koha-common deb pkg. i wonder how i can turn that notice off when installing the debian package.
15:20 paul_p rangi = the jenkins build that just ended has not the fix for isbn search test fixed. The build #741 should have
15:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #741 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 7 days 23 hr ago)
15:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8160 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , The: IssuingInProcess configuration setting is working in reverse.
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:17 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , quick slips issuing does not work
15:17 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
15:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused images from the OPAC
15:17 jenkins_koha * kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
15:17 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:17 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 8129 - Quickslips not printing
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8108 - Remove unused images from the OPAC
15:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #740: STILL UNSTABLE in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/740/
15:16 reiveune bye
15:15 slef oops... boxed in by the camera again
15:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dda8a63795439cde4d97f97b9d09b63011ef54a> / Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93c7f2a98723bbb960a7012186ec7b30854a1fe0>
15:08 cait hi eiro
15:08 rangi hey eiro :)
15:07 matts hey #kohacon12, Marc Chantreux (eiro) says hello !
15:07 rangi wrt to nengards talk :)
15:07 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
15:07 huginn` rangi: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
15:07 rangi @quote get 91
15:07 huginn` rangi: 2 found: #178: "jcamins: IIS kills kittens" and #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase..."
15:07 rangi @quote search kittens
15:07 huginn` rangi: No results for "kittens."
15:07 rangi @query kittens
15:04 wizzyrea_mibbit cool :) thanks
15:04 eythian oh yeah, there was some effort to make it work, so it may work later
15:04 cait the cameras have made problems all day
15:04 wizzyrea_mibbit oh cool
15:04 cait I think they are still working on it...
15:03 eythian they are being recorded though
15:03 eythian otherwise no.
15:03 eythian wizzyrea_mibbit: sure is, if you're here ;)
15:03 eythian liw: ah right, so just the hackfest then
15:03 wizzyrea_mibbit hey guys, is there a stream for the kohacon stuffs?
15:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 10 hr ago)
15:01 liw eythian, I'll be arriving in Edinburgh about 12:30 on Saturday
15:01 eythian liw: when are you coming to kohacon?
15:00 eythian howdy liw
15:00 liw heythian
14:59 mtompset Good day everyone on #koha.
14:57 mtompset Okay creating a bug report before going to bed.
14:45 jcamins Installation (command-line)
14:45 mtompset What category is install_misc/ubuntu.packages?
14:41 mtompset But admittedly, cooler.
14:41 mtompset slower to use that the pastebin link in this widget. :)
14:39 oleonard Nifty, eh? :)
14:39 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my tweaks to my.cnf" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/428
14:39 wizzyrea it's super slick ;)
14:38 oleonard mtompset: If you use the koha paste it does an automatic notify in the channel
14:38 wizzyrea i like sleeping
14:37 mtompset I think I will get to sleep at a reasonable hour today.
14:36 mtompset The pastebin on mibbit works okay.
14:35 mtompset http://mibpaste.com/LbJvg6
14:35 jcamins mtompset: you can use paste.koha-community.org
14:34 mtompset I wish the cut and paste got the \n's better.
14:34 mtompset character-set-server=utf8 collation-server=utf8_general_ci skip-character-set-client-handshake
14:34 mtompset I put this into my.cnf just in case:
14:32 jcamins It might not display right when you log in from the command line without you changing the client encoding, but it'll work fine in Koha.
14:31 jcamins I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian records.
14:31 jcamins Yes.
14:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=688d62f9d70988e93537caa6c389450940e987ef> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8182' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a26a8535a3f8f1ec6870a8af863a7af6258bcf2d> / Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake <http://git.koha-community.org/git
14:30 mtompset Are you sure the front end entry of utf-8 to a back-end latin1 is going to get transformed back to utf-8 in the display later on when it is looked up?
14:29 jcamins mtompset: that's why Koha sets everything manually to utf-8.
14:29 jcamins mtompset: but it doesn't matter.
14:28 mtompset I don't think latin1 would cut it.
14:28 mtompset The system I'm working with could end up with Chinese titles, Thai titles, Filipino titles, English titles, etc.
14:27 mtompset What if you have some bizarre character in your titles?
14:27 mtompset but latin1 isn't UTF-8.
14:26 jcamins Defaults to latin1.
14:25 mtompset I'm just curious as to what values debian folks see.
14:25 mtompset are they all UTF-8 or binary?
14:25 mtompset SHOW variables like '%collation%';
14:24 mtompset SHOW variables like '%char%';
14:24 oleonard Hi everyone
14:24 sekjal in my defense, B and H are very similar shades of orange
14:24 mtompset Your link, paul_p, though useful for future reference, doesn't answer the questions related to configuring MySQL.
14:24 sekjal paul_p: sorry about that... I should have caught it in QA
14:23 rangi oh hey paul_p
14:21 paul_p sekjal = yikes. follow-up pushed in a second !
14:21 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
14:21 mtompset init-connect='SET NAMES utf8' character-set-server=utf8 collation-server=utf8_general_ci character_set_client=utf8
14:21 mtompset Strange... how do you ensure that your DB is UTF-8?
14:19 paul_p mtompset = http://drupal.biblibre.com/en/blog/entry/mysql-default-config-and-very-large-koha-database
14:19 mtompset /etc/mysql/my.cnf
14:18 mtompset I mean my.cnf
14:18 mtompset I was wondering if someone would mind sharing their my.conf with me... I'd like to see what the defaults for a debian system are.
14:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #740 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 7 days 22 hr ago)
14:17 wizzyrea i don't even want to talk about how many kohaclones I've borked and had to redo.
14:17 mtompset DOH!
14:16 mtompset This git thing has become confusing again.
14:15 sekjal just tried to update my test install, and it failed
14:15 sekjal line 5021: $dhb instead of $dbh
14:15 wahanui SEGMENTATION FAULT. Aborting...
14:15 paul_p sekjal ?
14:15 sekjal paul_p: small typo in updatedatbase.pl I missed in QA!
14:14 jcamins mtompset: no, branches and different from repositories.
14:13 mtompset So origin for the git hub is 3.8.1?
14:10 wizzyrea master is 3.9, to become 3.10 stable
14:09 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=21475a6cbcb8061e35a704759c2fe3df5c824a5e> / Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12c6c94f867708da7a91a5708641c1cd94c0b872> / Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInPr
14:09 jcamins mtompset: no, master. Master is a different version.
14:08 mtompset (currently 3.8.1?)
14:07 ago43 cool, thank ye!
14:07 rangi always master
14:07 rangi master ago43
14:07 ago43 thanks, sekjal!
14:07 sekjal Best guess would be by date
14:06 sekjal ago43: I don't think here is, since the data from systempreferences isn't loaded, just the column definitions.
14:04 libsysguy negative :-/
14:04 libsysguy oleonard around?
14:04 ago43 is there any way to tell what version of Koha shcemaspy is using?
14:03 mtompset (this is my local dev copy)
14:03 mtompset Now somehow to test... I still haven't installed koha yet.
14:03 mtompset Sweet... that is my change...
14:03 JesseM Hey druthb
14:03 druthb hi, JesseM.
14:02 mtompset git diff... hmmmm...
14:02 cait yep, hint: use git status to see which files you have changed and git diff to see the changes
14:02 mtompset git commit.
14:01 mtompset git add {files that were modified}
14:01 mtompset (still have to do that somehow)
14:01 mtompset test...
14:01 cait yes
14:01 mtompset tweak the file(s)
14:01 mtompset git checkout -b {choose a good name}
14:01 mtompset Okay... now that's there's more people... I'd like a quick refresh.
14:00 druthb nope.
14:00 wizzyrea lies and slander I'm sure
13:59 druthb 'course, he got up this morning looking spink and sharp and ready to preach, while I got up looking like a hundred kilometers of bad road, as usual...
13:57 cait I want to meet jcamins too!
13:57 * cait is jealous
13:57 * wizzyrea cheers
13:57 cait aaah
13:57 * druthb is.
13:57 druthb cait: wizzy is not hiding jcamins.
13:56 jcamins I get to meet wizzyrea today! :D
13:56 cait :)
13:56 druthb hi, wizzyrea
13:56 * jcamins waves
13:56 cait where are you hiding jcamins?
13:56 cait hi wizzyrea :)
13:56 * wizzyrea waves
13:54 * cait looks innocent
13:54 * druthb raises an eyebrow
13:54 wahanui somebody said druthb was a migration specialist and great friend
13:54 cait druthb?
13:51 mtompset Hey, hey... be nice.
13:50 cait hmpf
13:49 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:49 druthb wahanui: druthb?
13:48 cait druthb?
13:48 * druthb looks innocent.
13:48 cait druthb: what are you doing there?
13:48 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb
13:48 druthb wahanui: forget druthb
13:48 cait clrh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape :)
13:48 rangi it's fine, it's my weird nz accent :)
13:48 druthb tsk.
13:47 wahanui well, druthb is ready to be home.
13:47 druthb wahanui: druthb
13:47 clrh "send more patches", "do simple patches" and "signoff more patches"are so related ;) sorry I misunderstand rangi
13:47 cait mtompset: to tape her to the channel so she does not drop out again
13:47 wajasu mtompset: yes: app-perlbrew
13:47 wahanui duct tape is versatile.
13:47 clrh duct tape?
13:40 mtompset what are you going to use the duct tape for?
13:40 * cait hands clrh the duct tape
13:38 clrh back...
13:38 mtompset app-perlbrew?
13:38 wajasu i also tried some perl distribution environment boostrapper (brew i think it was called). i had success to automate using cpan-minus or such.
13:37 wajasu plus arch would update to newer perl versions (OS needed). but koha didn't. thus catch-22.
13:35 wajasu another thing I had to do was install perl packages in a certain order, since those deps pulled in more deps. it took hours to figure out how.
13:25 mtompset That gives me an idea!
13:25 mtompset Hmm.... C4/Installer/PerlDep....
13:22 mtompset However, not everyone has control of their host.
13:22 mtompset Well, if you control the host, that method would work.
13:21 wajasu i am now thinking that if a kvm-based image is performant enough, the devs could develop for debian, and different distributions would just worry about keeping the virtual machine running across the years.
13:20 mtompset This would allow for people to take the perl module name, pass it through a function, and come out with the OS' apt-get equivalent.
13:20 mtompset Or perhaps if the structure was offset by an external mapping file.
13:19 mtompset It would be nice if that structure was modified to include the equivalent Ubuntu package names
13:18 wajasu i ran a koha server under this "rolling" release distribution, but once deployed in production, 8 months later, the distribution had fallen too far back to update its packages. so now i think a "stable" server is the way to go.
13:18 mtompset Has a nice structure of all the data.
13:18 mtompset C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm
13:14 wajasu i did a script for archlinux 2 years ago. I really wanted that "base list" of dependencies. It would be nice if if could be given the smarts to spit out the list of package deps and desired versions, for other distributions as well. archlinux has its own perl package naming convention. at least the deps could be maintained at koha's repos.
13:14 libsysguy everytime someone talks about yaz I hear the birth control commercial
13:13 mtompset yaz4 replaces it.
13:13 mtompset Also, the ubuntu stuff is pointing at yaz3.
13:11 mtompset It's usually more up to date.
13:11 mtompset Well, I like ./koha_perl_deps.pl
13:10 jcamins Right. But we can have a script that tries first.
13:09 mtompset blah-blah-blah isn't available as a package, but it may be available via CPAN.
13:09 mtompset The problem is that sometimes, depending on OS and version of OS...
13:08 mtompset means blah-blah-blah in the aptitude search
13:08 mtompset BlAh::BLAH::blah
13:08 mtompset because generally....
13:07 mtompset aptitude search datetime-format-mysql
13:07 mtompset and then
13:07 mtompset I take a major portion of the name
13:07 mtompset -m
13:07 mtompset Generally, when I run the ./koha_perl_deps.pl
13:06 mtompset only if the apt-file results were unique.
13:06 jcamins One could use that very cool apt-file command to determine on the fly which packages had the missing dependencies.
13:06 mtompset libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
13:05 mtompset I frequently mix data and date.
13:05 mtompset DATE time.
13:05 mtompset by the way the missing file is libdatatime-format-mysql-perl
13:05 druthb him getting blamed makes sense, too.
13:05 jcamins Your idea.
13:05 mtompset getting blamed makes sense, or my idea?
13:04 * druthb rebuts.
13:04 * jcamins protests.
13:04 jcamins Oh, that makes sense.
13:04 * druthb blames jcamins
13:04 mtompset for each, then both programs could read the same data file when checking, and they'd be both up to date by reading the same source file.
13:03 mtompset for the <apt-get library>,perl cpan equivalent,required
13:03 mtompset if there was a base file....
13:02 mtompset the ubuntu script does an apt-cache check.
13:02 mtompset well, the problem is that koha_perl_deps.pl.... does a perl check.
13:02 jcamins Yeah, we have _got_ to find a better way to deal with that. It's always going out of sync.
13:01 mtompset the ubuntu.packages is missing a line.
13:01 jcamins Is it out of date again?
13:01 mtompset there is also a handy perl program koha_perl_deps.pl (or something like that)
13:01 mtompset there is a handy little script ./install_misc/ubuntu_packages.sh (or something like that)
13:01 jcamins mtompset: there are lots of those. The more eyes on the system, the better.
13:00 mtompset Okay... I have another bug to report... nothing major, just annoying for installation.
12:59 jcamins I think my experience predated yum.
12:59 mtompset But yum is friendly enough.
12:59 mtompset still does.
12:59 jcamins Also, I used RedHat waaaaay back, and rpm sucked back then.
12:58 jcamins Touche.
12:58 jcamins lol
12:58 mtompset most linux systems are overwhelming for those who only have windows experience.
12:57 jcamins (for those of us who only have experience with Debian)
12:57 jcamins mtompset: agreed. The problem is that CentOS is overwhelming.
12:54 mtompset It sounds like he succeeded. :)
12:54 mtompset Sanders on the Zebra mailing list was trying to set up Koha under CentOS.
12:53 mtompset This means cross-OS friendliness.
12:53 mtompset It's just that such a useful product should be shared with as many people as possible.
12:52 mtompset Sorry for causing a feud.
12:52 medmondson mtompset you Debian comment above has reopened the debate in this office. we have had to move away from each other to take a breather. ; >
12:50 mtompset Sorry, that's all I've seen today.
12:50 mtompset http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon12&m=tags
12:49 mtompset https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23kohacon12
12:49 mtompset http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kohacon12/
12:48 mtompset http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/kohacon12/
12:48 mtompset There were twitter links and flikr links and the like shared earlier...
12:48 * jcamins hopes so.
12:48 * jcamins doesn't know either.
12:47 mtompset Sorry, I don't know.
12:47 mtompset I wasn't idle.
12:47 mtompset AH!
12:47 mtompset okay
12:38 tcohen hi #koha, any devil hangout streamming live from kohacon?
12:33 jcamins mtompset: say something.
12:28 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:28 jcamins @later tell mtompset Hi
12:28 jcamins I think if you send yourself a message, it knows that you're there.
12:28 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:28 jcamins @later tell jcamins Hi.
12:21 mtompset Actually, it sent it before I said anything.
12:21 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
12:21 druthb lulz
12:21 mtompset @later tell mtompset Testing!
12:21 mtompset DOH! Totally missed the other tab.
12:20 druthb saying something in-channel. :)
12:19 mtompset What triggers the message? appearing?
12:18 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
12:18 mtompset @later tell mtompset Testing!
12:17 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:17 jcamins @later tell talljoy Happy birthday!
12:16 jcamins Oh, talljoy isn't here.
12:16 jcamins mtompset: druthb just told me.
12:15 mtompset How did you know?
12:13 jcamins Happy birthday, talljoy!
12:07 mtompset But when in Rome.... ;)
12:06 mtompset I find I still prefer yum over apt-get.
12:05 medmondson Having been a Debianist for years I have recently moved into a red hat/windows environment. Its a tad disorientating and I have had to change my attitudes! Also now I am installing services I am finding that many of the apps that I want to install are better supported under Debian.
12:05 mtompset I'm using Ubuntu. :P
12:01 jcamins Then those of us who started later used Debian because hey, Debian was already better supported.
12:01 jcamins The people who wanted to spend time on packaging preferred Debian, so they did Debian packages.
12:01 jcamins mtompset: just a chicken and egg thing.
12:01 jcamins mtompset: that's what everyone uses.
11:58 mtompset ^their^there^
11:58 mtompset vs redhat that is
11:58 mtompset By the way, are their reasons that Koha is debianist?
11:54 mtompset I haven't quite got to the patching stage yet.
11:52 mtompset or at least commenting on them. :)
11:49 jcamins mtompset: I saw you've been busy patching things. :)
11:41 jcamins 6:40.
11:41 mtompset It's like what? 5:40am or 6:40am?
11:41 mtompset Well, it is rather early in KS.
11:40 jcamins And insulted that the cat spent forty-five minutes whimpering at the door for attention, then ran away and hid the moment I got up to scratch his ears.
11:40 jcamins I'm doing pretty well. A bit sleepy.
11:39 mtompset It's evening here now.
11:39 mtompset I was reading through bugzilla and the wiki this morning. Saw your name a couple times. :)
11:39 mtompset So, how are you this morning?
11:37 mtompset Hello, jcamins_away
11:33 jcamins_away Hello from Lawrence, KS.
11:28 mtompset Great way to pad the presentation! ;)
11:28 mtompset Reminders are good.
11:27 * mtompset nods.
11:27 cait and he made people share stories
11:27 cait also a good reminder :)
11:27 mtompset Hey, some people are new to Koha, your presentation was probably a good introduction/warm up.
11:25 rangi others are being linked in i think as well
11:24 rangi mtompset: http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/kohacon12/
11:24 mtompset Yes, I saw the tweet about gender diversity in koha code development. I thought that was great.
11:23 cait talljoy++
11:21 mtompset That was a strange incantation.
11:19 clrh oups sorry
11:19 clrh Jun 5 13:15:27 claire-biblibre kernel: [ 9646.004649] ===>rtl8192se_link_change():ieee->iw_mode is 2
11:16 cait perhaps slideshare or the website
11:16 cait probably not on the wiki, but quite suere the slides will be uploaded
11:15 mtompset Are all the presentations going to be on the Wiki somewhere?
11:14 cait rangi just did an awesome presentation :)
11:13 cait lol
11:13 mtompset :)
11:13 mtompset hmmm... hmmmmm..... HMMMMMMM. Sorry, barbershop quartets don't work over irc.
11:11 cait hmm?
11:06 rangi hmmm
10:53 cait ah, not sure
10:53 nengard he had one for mailing lists too
10:52 nengard that's irc stats
10:52 cait http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
10:52 mtompset integrated... right.
10:51 nengard i'm here: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ but i can't find it
10:51 cait integrated library system
10:51 nengard does anyone have the URL for the mailing list stats that chris had up on the screen?
10:51 mtompset What is the ILS for again?
10:51 cait nengard++
10:51 slef ok I'm off back to twitter
10:51 cait ok, nengard can explain it way better :)
10:50 nengard #kohails is a way to search for tweets about Koha - @kohails is a way to talk to the Koha twitter user (which is really a few of us and a bot posting info about Koha)
10:50 mtompset Oh right... something about the newsletter, right?
10:49 cait so everyone can use the tags and you can search for them
10:49 cait you use the tag to mark tweets for that topic
10:48 mtompset Seems that kohails is a valid twitter user.
10:48 mtompset Why wouldn't it be @kohails?
10:47 cait mtompset: mostly used on twitter I think
10:46 slef looked like markmail
10:45 mtompset What's the #kohails tag for?
10:42 mtompset Sweet! I'm forever on record on the internet. ;)
10:42 nengard how about the one he has for the lists?
10:42 nengard thanks :)
10:42 nengard yes!
10:42 hdl nengard: is that what you want ?
10:41 hdl http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
10:41 cait hm seeing no link there
10:41 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
10:41 cait irc logs?
10:40 wahanui hmmm... URL is horrid :)
10:40 nengard URL?
10:40 nengard anyone know where the irc logs stats are?
10:40 mtompset At least the status is what it should be
10:40 mtompset when I just finished adding another comment. Oh well.
10:40 mtompset Hate it when someone reads the thread and cleans up comments.
10:39 mtompset Oops...
10:35 nengard okay, meds taken - I will be able to talk by 4pm
10:35 * clrh_ cries
10:05 rangi yep
10:05 eythian I shall do that now.
10:05 cait coffee break now
10:05 rangi yeah me either
10:05 nengard
10:05 nengard graphic from: M?ller, Tristan. ?How to Choose a Free and Open Source Integrated Library System.? OCLC Systems & Services 27, no. 1 (2011): 57?78.
10:05 eythian rangi: I got that message, haven't attempted to top it up yet though.
10:04 connor_l_dewar yeah itd be cool to get some code i wrote from scratch in Koha
10:04 rangi eythian: did you get the sim to work? i got a message i need to call them
10:03 cait :)
10:03 rangi more encouragement, so you can be mentioned in the next one too :)
10:00 connor_l_dewar i need to submit some more code still. iv been a bit slack
09:59 cait :)
09:59 connor_l_dewar *stoked
09:59 connor_l_dewar stocked
09:59 connor_l_dewar yessssss XD
09:59 rangi yep :)
09:59 cait as the youngest developer ever to have a patch accepted in Koha
09:59 cait you did :)
09:58 connor_l_dewar kiaora rangi mum said i got a mention somewhere?
09:54 nengard I couldn't read that slide but it sounded very very useful :)
09:54 nengard do we have a place where we're putting all of our slides?
09:54 cait me neither
09:53 rangi not me
09:51 nengard did anyone get a url for where that graphic nason had up can be seen? about evaluating open source?
09:44 francharb hi all
09:44 cait hope it shows another line downwards :)
09:44 cait ah
09:43 clrh_ I should have updated it last friday ;) just because it is a new month
09:42 cait and you are updating it now for the hackfest? :)
09:41 clrh_ yes cait this chart https://docs.google.com/a/biblibre.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZF5Y_c4pIxdHE3S0RXMjJqSzZ3d1BVUmxpRnRVUUE#gid=11
09:34 cait the chart for features included in Koha now and the ones that still need to be submitted?
09:33 cait hm?
09:33 clrh_kohacon I must do Oo
09:33 clrh_kohacon ok now I must be my month koha rebase review (count)
09:31 clrh_kohacon I put some pictures too http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kohacon12/ I 'll try to update it often
09:29 alex_a ...
09:29 clrh_kohacon yep
09:29 alex_a clrh_kohacon: are you connected to central ?
09:27 cait :)
09:26 clrh_kohacon it is not a big problem ;)
09:26 clrh_kohacon yep
09:23 cait clrh: still having problems? :(
09:21 talljoy thanks wahanui
09:21 wahanui http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development
09:21 talljoy http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack
09:20 talljoy check the Koha wiki for more details
09:19 nengard that's what paul_p said - I just typed it out :)
09:19 mtompset Is that even in a virtual machine with only 204MB of ram?
09:19 mtompset I saw someone say that plack-compatibility could give a 150% performance boost.
09:17 mtompset Truly sucky that way.
09:17 mtompset Sadly, they don't have that functionality on my own facebook page.
09:17 matts okay
09:17 mtompset If I remember some keywords in a status update, I can find it.
09:17 mtompset Actually, the search functionality in groups is relatively good.
09:16 mtompset Nothing of significance.
09:16 mtompset I just did a search for koha on facebook.
09:15 matts I don't think you can search by tag on facebook, can you ?
09:15 cait mtompset: i am not on facebook - there might be something I am not aware of
09:11 mtompset twitter, flikr... no facebook?
09:06 cait was collecting some links to send to my coworkers at home
09:06 cait https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23kohacon12
09:06 cait there is twitter:
09:03 mtompset Hmm... which makes me wonder... is there a facebook page?
09:03 cait thx!
09:03 nengard in case (not if case)
09:02 nengard if case others share on flickr
09:02 nengard cait all pics tagged kohacon12 here: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon12&m=tags
09:01 rangi now i can stalk you better
09:01 cait nengard: can you give me a link to the photos from last night?
09:01 rangi ahh cait has pointed out dpavlin and clrh to me
09:01 cait :)
08:59 nengard hehe
08:59 mtompset nengard and bengard?!
08:59 bengard hi
08:58 nengard there he is :)
08:58 nengard that was bengard
08:57 mtompset my word, the channel is filled with people.
08:57 nengard I lost it once, but it's up and running now
08:57 mtompset test ack.
08:55 cait hopefully stays that way
08:55 cait fine for me so far...
08:54 eythian It's stable for me
08:54 clrh I loose wifi every 5 minutes...
08:54 clrh test
08:53 matts ^^
08:53 jransom hi everyone - hope you have a great day :)
08:53 clrh here
08:52 rangi where is clrh sitting?
08:52 clrh cait: :)
08:51 cait hi #koha
08:51 rangi ibeardslee: nope its apparently in heathrow tho
08:50 eythian i.e., the same way I went
08:50 eythian No, mine went the normal way
08:50 ibeardslee eythian: did you send your luggage on an extended holiday as well?
08:49 ibeardslee luggage arrived yet?
08:49 * rangi clocks in from the conference
08:48 nengard morning all
08:44 alex_a bonjour
08:41 * mtompset grins.
08:40 mtompset Doesn't stay tasty over the IRC connection.
08:39 mtompset popcorn.
08:38 matts popcorn ! yay ! :)
08:37 * Oak hands matts popcorn
08:37 wahanui privet, clrh
08:37 clrh hello
08:36 matts we're waiting for the event to start...
08:36 matts mtompset, yes, we are !
08:32 mtompset (sorry if I asked before, my memory is shot :) )
08:31 mtompset Are you at KohaCon?
08:31 matts hi
08:31 mtompset Hello, matts.
08:29 * mtompset hopes it isn't for a huge knife. ;)
08:22 * Oak goes to the kitchen
08:19 Oak you'll get there :)
08:18 Oak it will be linked to university's website soon. not finished yet. i don't like some color combination. plus need some content some links.
08:18 mtompset That's about where I am... though, I dont have any library credentials.
08:18 Oak http://koha-library.uaar.edu.pk/
08:17 Oak just did my first Koha installation for a university's management science department library (as my MLIS project). so you can say i'm new to Koha.
08:16 mtompset or at least linked in?
08:16 mtompset With Koha integrated?
08:16 mtompset Ah, okay.
08:15 Oak well, we use Joomla/CSS/HTML mainly.
08:15 mtompset ASP?
08:15 mtompset so you prefer PHP?
08:14 Oak i'm a web developer actually, and did my MLIS just now (project report pending)...
08:13 mtompset You a librarian type then and less of a programmer type?
08:13 Oak :) your Perl knowledge is good I think (I "think"... because I don't know Perl myself). And you can help Koha a lot.
08:12 mtompset ^oters^others^
08:12 mtompset some more related than oters.
08:12 mtompset This moremember.pl bug I encountered seems to have generated several related bug reports.
08:11 Oak you are doing fine here
08:11 Oak oh no worries
08:11 mtompset ^bu^bug^
08:11 mtompset Sorry, I start thinking of lots of questions when I'm bu hunting.
08:11 Oak :)
08:11 Oak stuff
08:11 Oak a simple hello is fine... but sometime i try different ...
08:11 mtompset Okay... I get it.
08:11 Oak just to make people smile i guess
08:10 Oak too many questions mtompset :)
08:10 Oak *sigh*
08:10 mtompset Then what caused the pirate greeting?
08:10 Oak I used to play Age of Empires II with friends a long time ago... good days
08:09 Oak and i have not played video games in ages...
08:09 Oak nope. don't have it.
08:08 mtompset Your comment made me think of "Age of Booty"
08:08 mtompset Do you play XBox at all?
08:07 Oak :)
08:05 mtompset Hmmm... pirate Oak?
08:02 Oak Ahoy me hearties
08:00 mtompset unless = !if
08:00 mtompset in my mind it is...
07:43 mtj ...thats a double-negative? ;)
07:43 mtj $lang = undef unless first { $_ ne $lang } @languages;
07:39 mtj mtompset: to me, thats not a double-negative....
07:32 mtompset double negatives hurt my brain.
07:31 mtompset I hate this line of code.
07:31 mtompset $lang = undef unless first { $_ eq $lang } @languages;
07:03 * slef finishes breakfast
07:03 drojf off to breakfast
07:01 drojf too clumsy in the morning
07:01 drojf narf
07:01 drojf daywear ervem
07:01 drojf hmmkay :D
07:01 drojf "we feel it appropriate that saywear is worn in the dining room".
06:59 drojf lol
06:59 mtompset It also helps you time travel. ;)
06:58 mtompset This means if you don't eat until 5pm, that's breakfast.
06:58 mtompset breakfast can be defined as the first meal of the day.
06:58 * drojf smells bacon too
06:58 cait-m_ breakfast time
06:56 mtompset that's quite a few people.
06:55 drojf last ragistration numbers i read were 80 i think, and 38 for the hackfest. but that was a few days ago
06:55 mtompset How many attendees are supposed to be there?
06:54 drojf hi mtompset. you're right
06:54 mtompset Am I to presume that you are at KohaCon as well, drojf?
06:53 mtompset good day (24 hour period) drojf.
06:53 drojf morning even
06:52 drojf good monring #koha
06:48 reiveune hi mtompset :)
06:48 mtompset hello reiveune
06:38 wahanui hey, reiveune
06:38 reiveune hello
06:37 matts yes, i am !
06:37 cait-m_ on phone :-)
06:35 mtompset Why the -m_?
06:35 mtompset Hi, cait-m_
06:33 cait-m_ waves
06:32 mtompset Ah, so you are attending KohaCon?
06:28 matts It's 7:30 am right now
06:27 matts Hum... Dunno, the Edimburg one ? :)
06:27 mtompset What timezone are you in matts?
06:25 matts hello mtompset !
06:24 mtompset Greetings, matts.
06:24 mtompset http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/perl/0596004761/template-directives/perltt-chp-4-sect-5
06:24 mtompset Ah, I discovered the answer to one of my former questions: Variables that have not been assigned a value, either with DEFAULT or SET, are considered to be false (the value of an undefined variable is an empty string).
05:56 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (1:00 PM PHT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
05:56 mtompset @wunder MNL
05:56 mtompset What is dew point?
05:49 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 8.9°C (6:48 AM BST on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
05:49 cait @wunder EDI
05:40 mtompset don't know... sorry
05:39 vkm is there any performance related difference if we install koha on server edition of ubuntu and desktop edition of ubuntu
05:38 vkm hello all
05:28 mtompset I see the bug location has moved in the master... someone else got annoyed with a subroutine in the middle of the code flow. :)
05:24 Oak yup :)
05:24 mtompset I suppose this is a "Don't ask why" thing? ;)
05:24 mtompset Thanks, Oak.
05:23 Oak mtompset++
05:22 Oak have fun
05:22 Oak good luck rangi and cait
05:21 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period).
05:21 mtompset Thanks for the help.
05:21 rangi ok, im gonna go start my day too
05:21 mtompset For once in my life, I'm glad I can't do that. :)
05:21 rangi :)
05:21 rangi even if you wanted to
05:20 rangi yep, you cant
05:19 mtompset I don't want to commit up to the source repo.
05:19 mtompset That is like my biggest fear.
05:19 mtompset *WHEW*
05:19 rangi it makes a commit locally
05:19 rangi distributed version control ftw
05:19 rangi nope
05:18 mtompset oh, so the git commit doesn't hit the git repo at origin?
05:18 rangi it's a good way to make sure you are making the patch against the write branch
05:17 rangi origin/master is specify the mster branch from origin (upstream)
05:17 rangi master is your local copy
05:17 mtompset why not origin or master?
05:17 mtompset origin/master?
05:17 rangi (that says write a patch from this commit that will reply on the upstream master)
05:16 rangi git format-patch origin/master
05:16 rangi you can make a patch
05:16 wahanui from there is no trend
05:16 rangi from there
05:16 rangi and you have your first commit
05:16 rangi write a nice commit message, starting with Bug bugnumber
05:15 mtompset Right?
05:15 rangi git commit
05:15 mtompset git add moremember.pl
05:15 mtompset everything works
05:15 mtompset do some testing
05:15 mtompset tweak moremember.pl
05:15 mtompset git checkout -b newbranch
05:14 rangi and ill do the same for the 3.8.x branch
05:14 mtompset okay... so... recap from the top
05:14 rangi will pull it back
05:14 cait ok, i will let rangi explain and get ready for the day :)
05:14 rangi which is jcamins_away for 3.6.x.
05:14 rangi then the release maintainer
05:14 cait and they will get from there into the lower versions :)
05:14 rangi so they will apply
05:14 rangi but you always want to be writing patches against master
05:13 cait from master...
05:13 cait mtompset: there is but you want to create patches on master
05:13 rangi there is a 3.6.3 tag
05:13 rangi will create a branch, based on master, and check it out
05:13 mtompset is there a 3.6.3 branch? ;)
05:13 rangi git checkout -b newbranch master
05:13 rangi and you can specify the branch you want to create it from
05:12 mtompset Okay good.
05:12 rangi checkout -b is a shortcut
05:12 mtompset okay, but less the -b, those two commands and the same as the one?
05:12 rangi but otherwise yes
05:12 cait yeah, sleepy cait :)
05:12 rangi cait typoed
05:12 rangi the -b doesnt work with git branch
05:12 mtompset git checkout -b newbranch
05:12 mtompset is the same as
05:12 mtompset git checkout newbranch
05:11 mtompset so git branch -b newbranch
05:11 mtompset oh okay...
05:11 rangi instead of
05:11 mtompset instead of or in addition to git branch?
05:11 rangi git checkout mybranchname
05:11 rangi git branch mybranchname
05:11 rangi that is shorthand for
05:11 rangi yep
05:10 mtompset git checkout -b {mybranchname choice}
05:10 rangi git branch will make the branch, but you wont be on it it, git checkout -b makes the branchand puts you on it in one go
05:10 cait thx for catching that rangi :)
05:10 cait sorry
05:10 cait typo
05:10 cait oh right
05:10 rangi is what i do
05:10 mtompset and if all the tests seem good.
05:10 rangi git checkout -b branchname
05:09 cait which files you have changed and the paths
05:09 cait git status will show you
05:09 cait relative
05:09 mtompset (do i have to do full path?)
05:09 mtompset then I git add moremember.pl
05:09 mtompset (that's going to be the harder part)
05:08 mtompset then I test.
05:08 mtompset then I tweak moremember.pl
05:08 mtompset create a branch: git branch -b my_shiny_new_bughunt_related_to_7630
05:08 mtompset okay... so, recap:
05:07 cait we have sample patrons that can be loaded on install
05:07 cait you could use the sample data
05:07 cait and you are almost done
05:07 mtompset Don't have data to test.
05:07 cait git commit
05:07 cait and then git add <changed file>
05:07 mtompset That's my problem...
05:06 cait and test
05:06 cait then you work work work....
05:06 cait git branch -b <yournameofchoice>
05:06 mtompset (before)
05:06 cait then you want a new branch to work on for your patch (never work on master branch)
05:06 mtompset done that.
05:06 cait you update to latest master with a git pull
05:06 cait basically
05:06 cait ok
05:06 mtompset I think it is this one... (wait for the boot)
05:01 mtompset (hunting through VMs)
05:01 mtompset Let me see... I think I have a git version lying around here somewhere...
05:01 cait if you have a git installation, we can walk you through it the first time
05:00 cait hm there is also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_Patch_Acceptance/Rejection
04:58 wahanui rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
04:58 wahanui i guess patch is pretty old now, good luck
04:58 cait git?
04:58 mtompset where is patch
04:58 mtompset where is patch tutorials
04:58 mtompset And what if error is empty?
04:57 mtompset How is that evaluated if error is undefined?
04:57 cait the hard part is knowing what goes wrong
04:57 mtompset only reference to error is [% IF ( error ) %]
04:57 cait and there are tutorials on a wiki, it's really not hard
04:56 cait that we can help you with :)
04:54 mtompset and I haven't gone looking at the template file(s) yet.
04:53 mtompset nice thought, but I don't know how to: generate a patch, send a patch, etc.
04:53 mtompset True...
04:53 cait I would suggest sending in a patch
04:53 cait sorry, just woke up :)
04:53 cait but maybe unhappy templates, not sure
04:52 mtompset less error logs.
04:52 mtompset into a seperate $template->param($error => 1) if $error;
04:52 mtompset if the '$error => 1' was split out.
04:51 mtompset around 446 there is a massive $template->param()
04:51 cait lots of things could be fixed
04:51 cait I did some patches for the opac a while ago
04:51 mtompset but it could be fixed.
04:51 cait but tidying the logs is a good idea
04:51 cait I think it's only a warn maybe, so not really a but
04:51 mtompset Well, in moremember.pl around line 446....
04:49 cait we could help you with that
04:49 mtompset Of course, I didn't check out any template files which might break as a result of the change I suggested.
04:49 cait perhaps you could provide a patch? :)
04:48 mtompset But the bug fix, should be the same.
04:48 mtompset different modules called moremember.pl
04:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key
04:48 mtompset bug 7630
04:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value
04:47 mtompset bug 7352
04:47 mtompset I've encountered a bug that was reported back in March.
04:47 cait are we tlaking about a specific bug?
04:47 cait hm or so it hsould be, but it sometimes hard to tell because people forget
04:47 mtompset :(
04:46 cait if a bug is still marked NEW than noone is working on it
04:46 cait they do take it
04:46 mtompset So, how is a bug assigned to someone? Do they take it, or is it automatically assigned?
04:44 cait hi mtompset
04:44 Oak :) and to you
04:43 mtompset Good day, to both of you. :)
04:43 Oak good.
04:43 cait yep
04:42 Oak everything okay there in Edinburgh?
04:41 cait good morning Oak :)
04:41 Oak Guten Morgen cait :)
03:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value
03:41 mtompset bug 7352
03:41 mtompset but 7352
03:40 mtompset And I believe the same solution will also solve 7352
03:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key
03:37 mtompset bug 7630
03:37 mtompset Oops...
03:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7360 critical, P3, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Stable , Importing a SQL file for frameworks based on Default Framework deletes the default framework
03:36 mtompset bug 7360
03:36 mtompset Ah... It's an older bug, I think.
03:10 mtompset And only some pass error.
03:10 mtompset Some pass borrowernumber
03:10 mtompset I just noticed some pass bornum.
03:09 mtompset grep moremember.pl `find . -name '*pl'`
03:09 mtompset Hmmm.... noticed a potentially larger problem...
02:40 mtompset It's the only line that refers to moremember.pl
02:39 mtompset That's from memberentry.pl around line 366.
02:38 mtompset If someone put a comment there, then why didn't someone clean it up?
02:38 mtompset $input->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?borrowernumber=$borrowernumber") : $input->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=$borrowernumber") ; exit; # You can only send 1 redirect! After that, content or other headers don't matter.
02:37 mtompset Found this:
02:37 mtompset I followed the bug further back...
02:37 mtompset Not a problem.
02:22 wizzyrea sorry was afk a moment
02:22 wahanui circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items......
02:22 wizzyrea circulation
02:16 wahanui Staff client is for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons
02:16 mtompset Staff client?
02:15 mtompset What would moremembers.pl be component-wise?
02:14 mtompset This isn't really a Template error.
02:14 Oak you can always ask here. wizzyrea is here so we can ask her...
02:14 mtompset I mean component.
02:13 mtompset I always have a hard time determining what to categorize the bug as.
02:13 Oak i think you should file a bug report... later on, then some other issues pops up because of this, then your bug report will save someone's time instead of hunting it down...
02:12 mtompset [Mon Jun 04 11:50:36 2012] [error] [client 192.168.100.2] [Mon Jun 4 11:50:36 2012] moremember.pl: Problem = a value of 1 has been passed to param without key at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 186.
02:11 mtompset A value without a key.
02:11 wizzyrea seems likely there's not a bug for something like that - unless it causes a functional issue it probably wouldn't be reported
02:11 mtompset The C4::Template catches the error and generates an error log entry.
02:11 mtompset Then later on, past a subroutine in the middle of the code (YUCK!) it is used to build a key for the template.
02:10 mtompset Near the top, $error is set to a CGI parameter.
02:10 mtompset $error may be undefined.
02:09 wahanui bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
02:09 wizzyrea what bug?
02:09 mtompset I think I found a bug in moremember.pl, but I'm not sure what else to look for in bugzilla.
02:07 Oak i use 3.6.4
02:06 mtompset I'm using Koha 3.6.3, what version do you use, Oak?
02:06 mtompset Hi, Oak. :)
02:03 Oak hello :)
01:59 mtompset Greetings, #koha folk.
01:48 wajasu preseed.cfg as in debian installer.
01:48 wajasu whilst running my automated preseed squeeze + koha 3.8.1 (koha-common), i have the "koha 3.2-3.4 upgrade notice" that is always shown. now if i could get that to be ignored so my vm builder script would run through without any prompt, I would be happy.
01:10 Oak \o
00:32 * jcamins_away is in Lawrence, KS. :)
00:31 jcamins_away chris_n: congratulations!