Time Nick Message
00:31 jcamins_away chris_n: congratulations!
00:32 * jcamins_away is in Lawrence, KS. :)
01:10 Oak \o
01:48 wajasu whilst running my automated preseed squeeze + koha 3.8.1 (koha-common), i have the "koha 3.2-3.4 upgrade notice" that is always shown. now if i could get that to be ignored so my vm builder script would run through without any prompt, I would be happy.
01:48 wajasu preseed.cfg as in debian installer.
01:59 mtompset Greetings, #koha folk.
02:03 Oak hello :)
02:06 mtompset Hi, Oak. :)
02:06 mtompset I'm using Koha 3.6.3, what version do you use, Oak?
02:07 Oak i use 3.6.4
02:09 mtompset I think I found a bug in moremember.pl, but I'm not sure what else to look for in bugzilla.
02:09 wizzyrea what bug?
02:09 wahanui bug is always bad news, particularly if you haven't filed it yet.
02:10 mtompset $error may be undefined.
02:10 mtompset Near the top, $error is set to a CGI parameter.
02:11 mtompset Then later on, past a subroutine in the middle of the code (YUCK!) it is used to build a key for the template.
02:11 mtompset The C4::Template catches the error and generates an error log entry.
02:11 wizzyrea seems likely there's not a bug for something like that - unless it causes a functional issue it probably wouldn't be reported
02:11 mtompset A value without a key.
02:12 mtompset [Mon Jun 04 11:50:36 2012] [error] [client 192.168.100.2] [Mon Jun 4 11:50:36 2012] moremember.pl: Problem = a value of 1 has been passed to param without key at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 186.
02:13 Oak i think you should file a bug report... later on, then some other issues pops up because of this, then your bug report will save someone's time instead of hunting it down...
02:13 mtompset I always have a hard time determining what to categorize the bug as.
02:14 mtompset I mean component.
02:14 Oak you can always ask here. wizzyrea is here so we can ask her...
02:14 mtompset This isn't really a Template error.
02:15 mtompset What would moremembers.pl be component-wise?
02:16 mtompset Staff client?
02:16 wahanui Staff client is for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons
02:22 wizzyrea circulation
02:22 wahanui circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items......
02:22 wizzyrea sorry was afk a moment
02:37 mtompset Not a problem.
02:37 mtompset I followed the bug further back...
02:37 mtompset Found this:
02:38 mtompset $input->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?borrowernumber=$borrowernumber") : $input->redirect("/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=$borrowernumber") ; exit; # You can only send 1 redirect! After that, content or other headers don't matter.
02:38 mtompset If someone put a comment there, then why didn't someone clean it up?
02:39 mtompset That's from memberentry.pl around line 366.
02:40 mtompset It's the only line that refers to moremember.pl
03:09 mtompset Hmmm.... noticed a potentially larger problem...
03:09 mtompset grep moremember.pl `find . -name '*pl'`
03:10 mtompset I just noticed some pass bornum.
03:10 mtompset Some pass borrowernumber
03:10 mtompset And only some pass error.
03:36 mtompset Ah... It's an older bug, I think.
03:36 mtompset bug 7360
03:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7360 critical, P3, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Stable , Importing a SQL file for frameworks based on Default Framework deletes the default framework
03:37 mtompset Oops...
03:37 mtompset bug 7630
03:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key
03:40 mtompset And I believe the same solution will also solve 7352
03:41 mtompset but 7352
03:41 mtompset bug 7352
03:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value
04:41 Oak Guten Morgen cait :)
04:41 cait good morning Oak :)
04:42 Oak everything okay there in Edinburgh?
04:43 cait yep
04:43 Oak good.
04:43 mtompset Good day, to both of you. :)
04:44 Oak :) and to you
04:44 cait hi mtompset
04:46 mtompset So, how is a bug assigned to someone? Do they take it, or is it automatically assigned?
04:46 cait they do take it
04:46 cait if a bug is still marked NEW than noone is working on it
04:47 mtompset :(
04:47 cait hm or so it hsould be, but it sometimes hard to tell because people forget
04:47 cait are we tlaking about a specific bug?
04:47 mtompset I've encountered a bug that was reported back in March.
04:47 mtompset bug 7352
04:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7352 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , moremember.pl generates error in Template.pm related to missing $key value
04:48 mtompset bug 7630
04:48 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7630 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Warning on moremember.pl about param without key
04:48 mtompset different modules called moremember.pl
04:48 mtompset But the bug fix, should be the same.
04:49 cait perhaps you could provide a patch? :)
04:49 mtompset Of course, I didn't check out any template files which might break as a result of the change I suggested.
04:49 cait we could help you with that
04:51 mtompset Well, in moremember.pl around line 446....
04:51 cait I think it's only a warn maybe, so not really a but
04:51 cait but tidying the logs is a good idea
04:51 mtompset but it could be fixed.
04:51 cait I did some patches for the opac a while ago
04:51 cait lots of things could be fixed
04:51 mtompset around 446 there is a massive $template->param()
04:52 mtompset if the '$error => 1' was split out.
04:52 mtompset into a seperate $template->param($error => 1) if $error;
04:52 mtompset less error logs.
04:53 cait but maybe unhappy templates, not sure
04:53 cait sorry, just woke up :)
04:53 cait I would suggest sending in a patch
04:53 mtompset True...
04:53 mtompset nice thought, but I don't know how to: generate a patch, send a patch, etc.
04:54 mtompset and I haven't gone looking at the template file(s) yet.
04:56 cait that we can help you with :)
04:57 cait and there are tutorials on a wiki, it's really not hard
04:57 mtompset only reference to error is [% IF ( error ) %]
04:57 cait the hard part is knowing what goes wrong
04:57 mtompset How is that evaluated if error is undefined?
04:58 mtompset And what if error is empty?
04:58 mtompset where is patch tutorials
04:58 mtompset where is patch
04:58 cait git?
04:58 wahanui i guess patch is pretty old now, good luck
04:58 wahanui rumour has it git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
05:00 cait hm there is also http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Guidelines_for_Patch_Acceptance/Rejection
05:01 cait if you have a git installation, we can walk you through it the first time
05:01 mtompset Let me see... I think I have a git version lying around here somewhere...
05:01 mtompset (hunting through VMs)
05:06 mtompset I think it is this one... (wait for the boot)
05:06 cait ok
05:06 cait basically
05:06 cait you update to latest master with a git pull
05:06 mtompset done that.
05:06 cait then you want a new branch to work on for your patch (never work on master branch)
05:06 mtompset (before)
05:06 cait git branch -b <yournameofchoice>
05:06 cait then you work work work....
05:06 cait and test
05:07 mtompset That's my problem...
05:07 cait and then git add <changed file>
05:07 cait git commit
05:07 mtompset Don't have data to test.
05:07 cait and you are almost done
05:07 cait you could use the sample data
05:07 cait we have sample patrons that can be loaded on install
05:08 mtompset okay... so, recap:
05:08 mtompset create a branch: git branch -b my_shiny_new_bughunt_related_to_7630
05:08 mtompset then I tweak moremember.pl
05:08 mtompset then I test.
05:09 mtompset (that's going to be the harder part)
05:09 mtompset then I git add moremember.pl
05:09 mtompset (do i have to do full path?)
05:09 cait relative
05:09 cait git status will show you
05:09 cait which files you have changed and the paths
05:10 rangi git checkout -b branchname
05:10 mtompset and if all the tests seem good.
05:10 rangi is what i do
05:10 cait oh right
05:10 cait typo
05:10 cait sorry
05:10 cait thx for catching that rangi :)
05:10 rangi git branch will make the branch, but you wont be on it it, git checkout -b makes the branchand puts you on it in one go
05:10 mtompset git checkout -b {mybranchname choice}
05:11 rangi yep
05:11 rangi that is shorthand for
05:11 rangi git branch mybranchname
05:11 rangi git checkout mybranchname
05:11 mtompset instead of or in addition to git branch?
05:11 rangi instead of
05:11 mtompset oh okay...
05:11 mtompset so git branch -b newbranch
05:12 mtompset git checkout newbranch
05:12 mtompset is the same as
05:12 mtompset git checkout -b newbranch
05:12 rangi the -b doesnt work with git branch
05:12 rangi cait typoed
05:12 cait yeah, sleepy cait :)
05:12 rangi but otherwise yes
05:12 mtompset okay, but less the -b, those two commands and the same as the one?
05:12 rangi checkout -b is a shortcut
05:12 mtompset Okay good.
05:13 rangi and you can specify the branch you want to create it from
05:13 rangi git checkout -b newbranch master
05:13 mtompset is there a 3.6.3 branch? ;)
05:13 rangi will create a branch, based on master, and check it out
05:13 rangi there is a 3.6.3 tag
05:13 cait mtompset: there is but you want to create patches on master
05:13 cait from master...
05:14 rangi but you always want to be writing patches against master
05:14 rangi so they will apply
05:14 cait and they will get from there into the lower versions :)
05:14 rangi then the release maintainer
05:14 rangi which is jcamins_away for 3.6.x.
05:14 cait ok, i will let rangi explain and get ready for the day :)
05:14 rangi will pull it back
05:14 mtompset okay... so... recap from the top
05:14 rangi and ill do the same for the 3.8.x branch
05:15 mtompset git checkout -b newbranch
05:15 mtompset tweak moremember.pl
05:15 mtompset do some testing
05:15 mtompset everything works
05:15 mtompset git add moremember.pl
05:15 rangi git commit
05:15 mtompset Right?
05:16 rangi write a nice commit message, starting with Bug bugnumber
05:16 rangi and you have your first commit
05:16 rangi from there
05:16 wahanui from there is no trend
05:16 rangi you can make a patch
05:16 rangi git format-patch origin/master
05:17 rangi (that says write a patch from this commit that will reply on the upstream master)
05:17 mtompset origin/master?
05:17 mtompset why not origin or master?
05:17 rangi master is your local copy
05:17 rangi origin/master is specify the mster branch from origin (upstream)
05:18 rangi it's a good way to make sure you are making the patch against the write branch
05:18 mtompset oh, so the git commit doesn't hit the git repo at origin?
05:19 rangi nope
05:19 rangi distributed version control ftw
05:19 rangi it makes a commit locally
05:19 mtompset *WHEW*
05:19 mtompset That is like my biggest fear.
05:19 mtompset I don't want to commit up to the source repo.
05:20 rangi yep, you cant
05:21 rangi even if you wanted to
05:21 rangi :)
05:21 mtompset For once in my life, I'm glad I can't do that. :)
05:21 rangi ok, im gonna go start my day too
05:21 mtompset Thanks for the help.
05:21 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period).
05:22 Oak good luck rangi and cait
05:22 Oak have fun
05:23 Oak mtompset++
05:24 mtompset Thanks, Oak.
05:24 mtompset I suppose this is a "Don't ask why" thing? ;)
05:24 Oak yup :)
05:28 mtompset I see the bug location has moved in the master... someone else got annoyed with a subroutine in the middle of the code flow. :)
05:38 vkm hello all
05:39 vkm is there any performance related difference if we install koha on server edition of ubuntu and desktop edition of ubuntu
05:40 mtompset don't know... sorry
05:49 cait @wunder EDI
05:49 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 8.9°C (6:48 AM BST on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
05:56 mtompset What is dew point?
05:56 mtompset @wunder MNL
05:56 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (1:00 PM PHT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Falling).
06:24 mtompset Ah, I discovered the answer to one of my former questions: Variables that have not been assigned a value, either with DEFAULT or SET, are considered to be false (the value of an undefined variable is an empty string).
06:24 mtompset http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/programming/perl/0596004761/template-directives/perltt-chp-4-sect-5
06:24 mtompset Greetings, matts.
06:25 matts hello mtompset !
06:27 mtompset What timezone are you in matts?
06:27 matts Hum... Dunno, the Edimburg one ? :)
06:28 matts It's 7:30 am right now
06:32 mtompset Ah, so you are attending KohaCon?
06:33 cait-m_ waves
06:35 mtompset Hi, cait-m_
06:35 mtompset Why the -m_?
06:37 cait-m_ on phone :-)
06:37 matts yes, i am !
06:38 reiveune hello
06:38 wahanui hey, reiveune
06:48 mtompset hello reiveune
06:48 reiveune hi mtompset :)
06:52 drojf good monring #koha
06:53 drojf morning even
06:53 mtompset good day (24 hour period) drojf.
06:54 mtompset Am I to presume that you are at KohaCon as well, drojf?
06:54 drojf hi mtompset. you're right
06:55 mtompset How many attendees are supposed to be there?
06:55 drojf last ragistration numbers i read were 80 i think, and 38 for the hackfest. but that was a few days ago
06:56 mtompset that's quite a few people.
06:58 cait-m_ breakfast time
06:58 * drojf smells bacon too
06:58 mtompset breakfast can be defined as the first meal of the day.
06:58 mtompset This means if you don't eat until 5pm, that's breakfast.
06:59 mtompset It also helps you time travel. ;)
06:59 drojf lol
07:01 drojf "we feel it appropriate that saywear is worn in the dining room".
07:01 drojf hmmkay :D
07:01 drojf daywear ervem
07:01 drojf narf
07:01 drojf too clumsy in the morning
07:03 drojf off to breakfast
07:03 * slef finishes breakfast
07:31 mtompset $lang = undef unless first { $_ eq $lang } @languages;
07:31 mtompset I hate this line of code.
07:32 mtompset double negatives hurt my brain.
07:39 mtj mtompset: to me, thats not a double-negative....
07:43 mtj $lang = undef unless first { $_ ne $lang } @languages;
07:43 mtj ...thats a double-negative? ;)
08:00 mtompset in my mind it is...
08:00 mtompset unless = !if
08:02 Oak Ahoy me hearties
08:05 mtompset Hmmm... pirate Oak?
08:07 Oak :)
08:08 mtompset Do you play XBox at all?
08:08 mtompset Your comment made me think of "Age of Booty"
08:09 Oak nope. don't have it.
08:09 Oak and i have not played video games in ages...
08:10 Oak I used to play Age of Empires II with friends a long time ago... good days
08:10 mtompset Then what caused the pirate greeting?
08:10 Oak *sigh*
08:10 Oak too many questions mtompset :)
08:11 Oak just to make people smile i guess
08:11 mtompset Okay... I get it.
08:11 Oak a simple hello is fine... but sometime i try different ...
08:11 Oak stuff
08:11 Oak :)
08:11 mtompset Sorry, I start thinking of lots of questions when I'm bu hunting.
08:11 mtompset ^bu^bug^
08:11 Oak oh no worries
08:11 Oak you are doing fine here
08:12 mtompset This moremember.pl bug I encountered seems to have generated several related bug reports.
08:12 mtompset some more related than oters.
08:12 mtompset ^oters^others^
08:13 Oak :) your Perl knowledge is good I think (I "think"... because I don't know Perl myself). And you can help Koha a lot.
08:13 mtompset You a librarian type then and less of a programmer type?
08:14 Oak i'm a web developer actually, and did my MLIS just now (project report pending)...
08:15 mtompset so you prefer PHP?
08:15 mtompset ASP?
08:15 Oak well, we use Joomla/CSS/HTML mainly.
08:16 mtompset Ah, okay.
08:16 mtompset With Koha integrated?
08:16 mtompset or at least linked in?
08:17 Oak just did my first Koha installation for a university's management science department library (as my MLIS project). so you can say i'm new to Koha.
08:18 Oak http://koha-library.uaar.edu.pk/
08:18 mtompset That's about where I am... though, I dont have any library credentials.
08:18 Oak it will be linked to university's website soon. not finished yet. i don't like some color combination. plus need some content some links.
08:19 Oak you'll get there :)
08:22 * Oak goes to the kitchen
08:29 * mtompset hopes it isn't for a huge knife. ;)
08:31 mtompset Hello, matts.
08:31 matts hi
08:31 mtompset Are you at KohaCon?
08:32 mtompset (sorry if I asked before, my memory is shot :) )
08:36 matts mtompset, yes, we are !
08:36 matts we're waiting for the event to start...
08:37 clrh hello
08:37 wahanui privet, clrh
08:37 * Oak hands matts popcorn
08:38 matts popcorn ! yay ! :)
08:39 mtompset popcorn.
08:40 mtompset Doesn't stay tasty over the IRC connection.
08:41 * mtompset grins.
08:44 alex_a bonjour
08:48 nengard morning all
08:49 * rangi clocks in from the conference
08:49 ibeardslee luggage arrived yet?
08:50 ibeardslee eythian: did you send your luggage on an extended holiday as well?
08:50 eythian No, mine went the normal way
08:50 eythian i.e., the same way I went
08:51 rangi ibeardslee: nope its apparently in heathrow tho
08:51 cait hi #koha
08:52 clrh cait: :)
08:52 rangi where is clrh sitting?
08:53 clrh here
08:53 jransom hi everyone - hope you have a great day :)
08:53 matts ^^
08:54 clrh test
08:54 clrh I loose wifi every 5 minutes...
08:54 eythian It's stable for me
08:55 cait fine for me so far...
08:55 cait hopefully stays that way
08:57 mtompset test ack.
08:57 nengard I lost it once, but it's up and running now
08:57 mtompset my word, the channel is filled with people.
08:58 nengard that was bengard
08:58 nengard there he is :)
08:59 bengard hi
08:59 mtompset nengard and bengard?!
08:59 nengard hehe
09:01 cait :)
09:01 rangi ahh cait has pointed out dpavlin and clrh to me
09:01 cait nengard: can you give me a link to the photos from last night?
09:01 rangi now i can stalk you better
09:02 nengard cait all pics tagged kohacon12 here: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon12&m=tags
09:02 nengard if case others share on flickr
09:03 nengard in case (not if case)
09:03 cait thx!
09:03 mtompset Hmm... which makes me wonder... is there a facebook page?
09:06 cait there is twitter:
09:06 cait https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23kohacon12
09:06 cait was collecting some links to send to my coworkers at home
09:11 mtompset twitter, flikr... no facebook?
09:15 cait mtompset: i am not on facebook - there might be something I am not aware of
09:15 matts I don't think you can search by tag on facebook, can you ?
09:16 mtompset I just did a search for koha on facebook.
09:16 mtompset Nothing of significance.
09:17 mtompset Actually, the search functionality in groups is relatively good.
09:17 mtompset If I remember some keywords in a status update, I can find it.
09:17 matts okay
09:17 mtompset Sadly, they don't have that functionality on my own facebook page.
09:17 mtompset Truly sucky that way.
09:19 mtompset I saw someone say that plack-compatibility could give a 150% performance boost.
09:19 mtompset Is that even in a virtual machine with only 204MB of ram?
09:19 nengard that's what paul_p said - I just typed it out :)
09:20 talljoy check the Koha wiki for more details
09:21 talljoy http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack
09:21 wahanui http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development
09:21 talljoy thanks wahanui
09:23 cait clrh: still having problems? :(
09:26 clrh_kohacon yep
09:26 clrh_kohacon it is not a big problem ;)
09:27 cait :)
09:29 alex_a clrh_kohacon: are you connected to central ?
09:29 clrh_kohacon yep
09:29 alex_a ...
09:31 clrh_kohacon I put some pictures too http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kohacon12/ I 'll try to update it often
09:33 clrh_kohacon ok now I must be my month koha rebase review (count)
09:33 clrh_kohacon I must do Oo
09:33 cait hm?
09:34 cait the chart for features included in Koha now and the ones that still need to be submitted?
09:41 clrh_ yes cait this chart https://docs.google.com/a/biblibre.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZF5Y_c4pIxdHE3S0RXMjJqSzZ3d1BVUmxpRnRVUUE#gid=11
09:42 cait and you are updating it now for the hackfest? :)
09:43 clrh_ I should have updated it last friday ;) just because it is a new month
09:44 cait ah
09:44 cait hope it shows another line downwards :)
09:44 francharb hi all
09:51 nengard did anyone get a url for where that graphic nason had up can be seen? about evaluating open source?
09:53 rangi not me
09:54 cait me neither
09:54 nengard do we have a place where we're putting all of our slides?
09:54 nengard I couldn't read that slide but it sounded very very useful :)
09:58 connor_l_dewar kiaora rangi mum said i got a mention somewhere?
09:59 cait you did :)
09:59 cait as the youngest developer ever to have a patch accepted in Koha
09:59 rangi yep :)
09:59 connor_l_dewar yessssss XD
09:59 connor_l_dewar stocked
09:59 connor_l_dewar *stoked
09:59 cait :)
10:00 connor_l_dewar i need to submit some more code still. iv been a bit slack
10:03 rangi more encouragement, so you can be mentioned in the next one too :)
10:03 cait :)
10:04 rangi eythian: did you get the sim to work? i got a message i need to call them
10:04 connor_l_dewar yeah itd be cool to get some code i wrote from scratch in Koha
10:05 eythian rangi: I got that message, haven't attempted to top it up yet though.
10:05 nengard graphic from: M?ller, Tristan. ?How to Choose a Free and Open Source Integrated Library System.? OCLC Systems & Services 27, no. 1 (2011): 57?78.
10:05 nengard
10:05 rangi yeah me either
10:05 cait coffee break now
10:05 eythian I shall do that now.
10:05 rangi yep
10:35 * clrh_ cries
10:35 nengard okay, meds taken - I will be able to talk by 4pm
10:39 mtompset Oops...
10:40 mtompset Hate it when someone reads the thread and cleans up comments.
10:40 mtompset when I just finished adding another comment. Oh well.
10:40 mtompset At least the status is what it should be
10:40 nengard anyone know where the irc logs stats are?
10:40 nengard URL?
10:40 wahanui hmmm... URL is horrid :)
10:41 cait irc logs?
10:41 wahanui irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
10:41 cait hm seeing no link there
10:41 hdl http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
10:42 hdl nengard: is that what you want ?
10:42 nengard yes!
10:42 nengard thanks :)
10:42 nengard how about the one he has for the lists?
10:42 mtompset Sweet! I'm forever on record on the internet. ;)
10:45 mtompset What's the #kohails tag for?
10:46 slef looked like markmail
10:47 cait mtompset: mostly used on twitter I think
10:48 mtompset Why wouldn't it be @kohails?
10:48 mtompset Seems that kohails is a valid twitter user.
10:49 cait you use the tag to mark tweets for that topic
10:49 cait so everyone can use the tags and you can search for them
10:50 mtompset Oh right... something about the newsletter, right?
10:50 nengard #kohails is a way to search for tweets about Koha - @kohails is a way to talk to the Koha twitter user (which is really a few of us and a bot posting info about Koha)
10:51 cait ok, nengard can explain it way better :)
10:51 slef ok I'm off back to twitter
10:51 cait nengard++
10:51 mtompset What is the ILS for again?
10:51 nengard does anyone have the URL for the mailing list stats that chris had up on the screen?
10:51 cait integrated library system
10:51 nengard i'm here: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ but i can't find it
10:52 mtompset integrated... right.
10:52 cait http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
10:52 nengard that's irc stats
10:53 nengard he had one for mailing lists too
10:53 cait ah, not sure
11:06 rangi hmmm
11:11 cait hmm?
11:13 mtompset hmmm... hmmmmm..... HMMMMMMM. Sorry, barbershop quartets don't work over irc.
11:13 mtompset :)
11:13 cait lol
11:14 cait rangi just did an awesome presentation :)
11:15 mtompset Are all the presentations going to be on the Wiki somewhere?
11:16 cait probably not on the wiki, but quite suere the slides will be uploaded
11:16 cait perhaps slideshare or the website
11:19 clrh Jun 5 13:15:27 claire-biblibre kernel: [ 9646.004649] ===>rtl8192se_link_change():ieee->iw_mode is 2
11:19 clrh oups sorry
11:21 mtompset That was a strange incantation.
11:23 cait talljoy++
11:24 mtompset Yes, I saw the tweet about gender diversity in koha code development. I thought that was great.
11:24 rangi mtompset: http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/kohacon12/
11:25 rangi others are being linked in i think as well
11:27 mtompset Hey, some people are new to Koha, your presentation was probably a good introduction/warm up.
11:27 cait also a good reminder :)
11:27 cait and he made people share stories
11:27 * mtompset nods.
11:28 mtompset Reminders are good.
11:28 mtompset Great way to pad the presentation! ;)
11:33 jcamins_away Hello from Lawrence, KS.
11:37 mtompset Hello, jcamins_away
11:39 mtompset So, how are you this morning?
11:39 mtompset I was reading through bugzilla and the wiki this morning. Saw your name a couple times. :)
11:39 mtompset It's evening here now.
11:40 jcamins I'm doing pretty well. A bit sleepy.
11:40 jcamins And insulted that the cat spent forty-five minutes whimpering at the door for attention, then ran away and hid the moment I got up to scratch his ears.
11:41 mtompset Well, it is rather early in KS.
11:41 mtompset It's like what? 5:40am or 6:40am?
11:41 jcamins 6:40.
11:49 jcamins mtompset: I saw you've been busy patching things. :)
11:52 mtompset or at least commenting on them. :)
11:54 mtompset I haven't quite got to the patching stage yet.
11:58 mtompset By the way, are their reasons that Koha is debianist?
11:58 mtompset vs redhat that is
11:58 mtompset ^their^there^
12:01 jcamins mtompset: that's what everyone uses.
12:01 jcamins mtompset: just a chicken and egg thing.
12:01 jcamins The people who wanted to spend time on packaging preferred Debian, so they did Debian packages.
12:01 jcamins Then those of us who started later used Debian because hey, Debian was already better supported.
12:05 mtompset I'm using Ubuntu. :P
12:05 medmondson Having been a Debianist for years I have recently moved into a red hat/windows environment. Its a tad disorientating and I have had to change my attitudes! Also now I am installing services I am finding that many of the apps that I want to install are better supported under Debian.
12:06 mtompset I find I still prefer yum over apt-get.
12:07 mtompset But when in Rome.... ;)
12:13 jcamins Happy birthday, talljoy!
12:15 mtompset How did you know?
12:16 jcamins mtompset: druthb just told me.
12:16 jcamins Oh, talljoy isn't here.
12:17 jcamins @later tell talljoy Happy birthday!
12:17 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:18 mtompset @later tell mtompset Testing!
12:18 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
12:19 mtompset What triggers the message? appearing?
12:20 druthb saying something in-channel. :)
12:21 mtompset DOH! Totally missed the other tab.
12:21 mtompset @later tell mtompset Testing!
12:21 druthb lulz
12:21 huginn` mtompset: The operation succeeded.
12:21 mtompset Actually, it sent it before I said anything.
12:28 jcamins @later tell jcamins Hi.
12:28 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:28 jcamins I think if you send yourself a message, it knows that you're there.
12:28 jcamins @later tell mtompset Hi
12:28 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:33 jcamins mtompset: say something.
12:38 tcohen hi #koha, any devil hangout streamming live from kohacon?
12:47 mtompset okay
12:47 mtompset AH!
12:47 mtompset I wasn't idle.
12:47 mtompset Sorry, I don't know.
12:48 * jcamins doesn't know either.
12:48 * jcamins hopes so.
12:48 mtompset There were twitter links and flikr links and the like shared earlier...
12:48 mtompset http://stats.workbuffer.org/chrisc_presentations/kohacon12/
12:49 mtompset http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/kohacon12/
12:49 mtompset https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23kohacon12
12:50 mtompset http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kohacon12&m=tags
12:50 mtompset Sorry, that's all I've seen today.
12:52 medmondson mtompset you Debian comment above has reopened the debate in this office. we have had to move away from each other to take a breather. ; >
12:52 mtompset Sorry for causing a feud.
12:53 mtompset It's just that such a useful product should be shared with as many people as possible.
12:53 mtompset This means cross-OS friendliness.
12:54 mtompset Sanders on the Zebra mailing list was trying to set up Koha under CentOS.
12:54 mtompset It sounds like he succeeded. :)
12:57 jcamins mtompset: agreed. The problem is that CentOS is overwhelming.
12:57 jcamins (for those of us who only have experience with Debian)
12:58 mtompset most linux systems are overwhelming for those who only have windows experience.
12:58 jcamins lol
12:58 jcamins Touche.
12:59 jcamins Also, I used RedHat waaaaay back, and rpm sucked back then.
12:59 mtompset still does.
12:59 mtompset But yum is friendly enough.
12:59 jcamins I think my experience predated yum.
13:00 mtompset Okay... I have another bug to report... nothing major, just annoying for installation.
13:01 jcamins mtompset: there are lots of those. The more eyes on the system, the better.
13:01 mtompset there is a handy little script ./install_misc/ubuntu_packages.sh (or something like that)
13:01 mtompset there is also a handy perl program koha_perl_deps.pl (or something like that)
13:01 jcamins Is it out of date again?
13:01 mtompset the ubuntu.packages is missing a line.
13:02 jcamins Yeah, we have _got_ to find a better way to deal with that. It's always going out of sync.
13:02 mtompset well, the problem is that koha_perl_deps.pl.... does a perl check.
13:02 mtompset the ubuntu script does an apt-cache check.
13:03 mtompset if there was a base file....
13:03 mtompset for the <apt-get library>,perl cpan equivalent,required
13:04 mtompset for each, then both programs could read the same data file when checking, and they'd be both up to date by reading the same source file.
13:04 * druthb blames jcamins
13:04 jcamins Oh, that makes sense.
13:04 * jcamins protests.
13:04 * druthb rebuts.
13:05 mtompset getting blamed makes sense, or my idea?
13:05 jcamins Your idea.
13:05 druthb him getting blamed makes sense, too.
13:05 mtompset by the way the missing file is libdatatime-format-mysql-perl
13:05 mtompset DATE time.
13:05 mtompset I frequently mix data and date.
13:06 mtompset libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
13:06 jcamins One could use that very cool apt-file command to determine on the fly which packages had the missing dependencies.
13:06 mtompset only if the apt-file results were unique.
13:07 mtompset Generally, when I run the ./koha_perl_deps.pl
13:07 mtompset -m
13:07 mtompset I take a major portion of the name
13:07 mtompset and then
13:07 mtompset aptitude search datetime-format-mysql
13:08 mtompset because generally....
13:08 mtompset BlAh::BLAH::blah
13:08 mtompset means blah-blah-blah in the aptitude search
13:09 mtompset The problem is that sometimes, depending on OS and version of OS...
13:09 mtompset blah-blah-blah isn't available as a package, but it may be available via CPAN.
13:10 jcamins Right. But we can have a script that tries first.
13:11 mtompset Well, I like ./koha_perl_deps.pl
13:11 mtompset It's usually more up to date.
13:13 mtompset Also, the ubuntu stuff is pointing at yaz3.
13:13 mtompset yaz4 replaces it.
13:14 libsysguy everytime someone talks about yaz I hear the birth control commercial
13:14 wajasu i did a script for archlinux 2 years ago. I really wanted that "base list" of dependencies. It would be nice if if could be given the smarts to spit out the list of package deps and desired versions, for other distributions as well. archlinux has its own perl package naming convention. at least the deps could be maintained at koha's repos.
13:18 mtompset C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm
13:18 mtompset Has a nice structure of all the data.
13:18 wajasu i ran a koha server under this "rolling" release distribution, but once deployed in production, 8 months later, the distribution had fallen too far back to update its packages. so now i think a "stable" server is the way to go.
13:19 mtompset It would be nice if that structure was modified to include the equivalent Ubuntu package names
13:20 mtompset Or perhaps if the structure was offset by an external mapping file.
13:20 mtompset This would allow for people to take the perl module name, pass it through a function, and come out with the OS' apt-get equivalent.
13:21 wajasu i am now thinking that if a kvm-based image is performant enough, the devs could develop for debian, and different distributions would just worry about keeping the virtual machine running across the years.
13:22 mtompset Well, if you control the host, that method would work.
13:22 mtompset However, not everyone has control of their host.
13:25 mtompset Hmm.... C4/Installer/PerlDep....
13:25 mtompset That gives me an idea!
13:35 wajasu another thing I had to do was install perl packages in a certain order, since those deps pulled in more deps. it took hours to figure out how.
13:37 wajasu plus arch would update to newer perl versions (OS needed). but koha didn't. thus catch-22.
13:38 wajasu i also tried some perl distribution environment boostrapper (brew i think it was called). i had success to automate using cpan-minus or such.
13:38 mtompset app-perlbrew?
13:38 clrh back...
13:40 * cait hands clrh the duct tape
13:40 mtompset what are you going to use the duct tape for?
13:47 clrh duct tape?
13:47 wahanui duct tape is versatile.
13:47 wajasu mtompset: yes: app-perlbrew
13:47 cait mtompset: to tape her to the channel so she does not drop out again
13:47 clrh "send more patches", "do simple patches" and "signoff more patches"are so related ;) sorry I misunderstand rangi
13:47 druthb wahanui: druthb
13:47 wahanui well, druthb is ready to be home.
13:48 druthb tsk.
13:48 rangi it's fine, it's my weird nz accent :)
13:48 cait clrh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape :)
13:48 druthb wahanui: forget druthb
13:48 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb
13:48 cait druthb: what are you doing there?
13:48 * druthb looks innocent.
13:48 cait druthb?
13:49 druthb wahanui: druthb?
13:49 wahanui She finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
13:50 cait hmpf
13:51 mtompset Hey, hey... be nice.
13:54 cait druthb?
13:54 wahanui somebody said druthb was a migration specialist and great friend
13:54 * druthb raises an eyebrow
13:54 * cait looks innocent
13:56 * wizzyrea waves
13:56 cait hi wizzyrea :)
13:56 cait where are you hiding jcamins?
13:56 * jcamins waves
13:56 druthb hi, wizzyrea
13:56 cait :)
13:56 jcamins I get to meet wizzyrea today! :D
13:57 druthb cait: wizzy is not hiding jcamins.
13:57 * druthb is.
13:57 cait aaah
13:57 * wizzyrea cheers
13:57 * cait is jealous
13:57 cait I want to meet jcamins too!
13:59 druthb 'course, he got up this morning looking spink and sharp and ready to preach, while I got up looking like a hundred kilometers of bad road, as usual...
14:00 wizzyrea lies and slander I'm sure
14:00 druthb nope.
14:01 mtompset Okay... now that's there's more people... I'd like a quick refresh.
14:01 mtompset git checkout -b {choose a good name}
14:01 mtompset tweak the file(s)
14:01 cait yes
14:01 mtompset test...
14:01 mtompset (still have to do that somehow)
14:01 mtompset git add {files that were modified}
14:02 mtompset git commit.
14:02 cait yep, hint: use git status to see which files you have changed and git diff to see the changes
14:02 mtompset git diff... hmmmm...
14:03 druthb hi, JesseM.
14:03 JesseM Hey druthb
14:03 mtompset Sweet... that is my change...
14:03 mtompset Now somehow to test... I still haven't installed koha yet.
14:03 mtompset (this is my local dev copy)
14:04 ago43 is there any way to tell what version of Koha shcemaspy is using?
14:04 libsysguy oleonard around?
14:04 libsysguy negative :-/
14:06 sekjal ago43: I don't think here is, since the data from systempreferences isn't loaded, just the column definitions.
14:07 sekjal Best guess would be by date
14:07 ago43 thanks, sekjal!
14:07 rangi master ago43
14:07 rangi always master
14:07 ago43 cool, thank ye!
14:08 mtompset (currently 3.8.1?)
14:09 jcamins mtompset: no, master. Master is a different version.
14:09 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=21475a6cbcb8061e35a704759c2fe3df5c824a5e> / Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12c6c94f867708da7a91a5708641c1cd94c0b872> / Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInPr
14:10 wizzyrea master is 3.9, to become 3.10 stable
14:13 mtompset So origin for the git hub is 3.8.1?
14:14 jcamins mtompset: no, branches and different from repositories.
14:15 sekjal paul_p: small typo in updatedatbase.pl I missed in QA!
14:15 paul_p sekjal ?
14:15 wahanui SEGMENTATION FAULT. Aborting...
14:15 sekjal line 5021: $dhb instead of $dbh
14:15 sekjal just tried to update my test install, and it failed
14:16 mtompset This git thing has become confusing again.
14:17 mtompset DOH!
14:17 wizzyrea i don't even want to talk about how many kohaclones I've borked and had to redo.
14:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #740 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 7 days 22 hr ago)
14:18 mtompset I was wondering if someone would mind sharing their my.conf with me... I'd like to see what the defaults for a debian system are.
14:18 mtompset I mean my.cnf
14:19 mtompset /etc/mysql/my.cnf
14:19 paul_p mtompset = http://drupal.biblibre.com/en/blog/entry/mysql-default-config-and-very-large-koha-database
14:21 mtompset Strange... how do you ensure that your DB is UTF-8?
14:21 mtompset init-connect='SET NAMES utf8' character-set-server=utf8 collation-server=utf8_general_ci character_set_client=utf8
14:21 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
14:21 paul_p sekjal = yikes. follow-up pushed in a second !
14:23 rangi oh hey paul_p
14:24 sekjal paul_p: sorry about that... I should have caught it in QA
14:24 mtompset Your link, paul_p, though useful for future reference, doesn't answer the questions related to configuring MySQL.
14:24 sekjal in my defense, B and H are very similar shades of orange
14:24 oleonard Hi everyone
14:24 mtompset SHOW variables like '%char%';
14:25 mtompset SHOW variables like '%collation%';
14:25 mtompset are they all UTF-8 or binary?
14:25 mtompset I'm just curious as to what values debian folks see.
14:26 jcamins Defaults to latin1.
14:27 mtompset but latin1 isn't UTF-8.
14:27 mtompset What if you have some bizarre character in your titles?
14:28 mtompset The system I'm working with could end up with Chinese titles, Thai titles, Filipino titles, English titles, etc.
14:28 mtompset I don't think latin1 would cut it.
14:29 jcamins mtompset: but it doesn't matter.
14:29 jcamins mtompset: that's why Koha sets everything manually to utf-8.
14:30 mtompset Are you sure the front end entry of utf-8 to a back-end latin1 is going to get transformed back to utf-8 in the display later on when it is looked up?
14:30 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=688d62f9d70988e93537caa6c389450940e987ef> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8182' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a26a8535a3f8f1ec6870a8af863a7af6258bcf2d> / Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake <http://git.koha-community.org/git
14:31 jcamins Yes.
14:31 jcamins I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian records.
14:32 jcamins It might not display right when you log in from the command line without you changing the client encoding, but it'll work fine in Koha.
14:34 mtompset I put this into my.cnf just in case:
14:34 mtompset character-set-server=utf8 collation-server=utf8_general_ci skip-character-set-client-handshake
14:34 mtompset I wish the cut and paste got the \n's better.
14:35 jcamins mtompset: you can use paste.koha-community.org
14:35 mtompset http://mibpaste.com/LbJvg6
14:36 mtompset The pastebin on mibbit works okay.
14:37 mtompset I think I will get to sleep at a reasonable hour today.
14:38 wizzyrea i like sleeping
14:38 oleonard mtompset: If you use the koha paste it does an automatic notify in the channel
14:39 wizzyrea it's super slick ;)
14:39 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my tweaks to my.cnf" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/428
14:39 oleonard Nifty, eh? :)
14:41 mtompset slower to use that the pastebin link in this widget. :)
14:41 mtompset But admittedly, cooler.
14:45 mtompset What category is install_misc/ubuntu.packages?
14:45 jcamins Installation (command-line)
14:57 mtompset Okay creating a bug report before going to bed.
14:59 mtompset Good day everyone on #koha.
15:00 liw heythian
15:00 eythian howdy liw
15:01 eythian liw: when are you coming to kohacon?
15:01 liw eythian, I'll be arriving in Edinburgh about 12:30 on Saturday
15:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #35 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 10 hr ago)
15:03 wizzyrea_mibbit hey guys, is there a stream for the kohacon stuffs?
15:03 eythian liw: ah right, so just the hackfest then
15:03 eythian wizzyrea_mibbit: sure is, if you're here ;)
15:03 eythian otherwise no.
15:03 eythian they are being recorded though
15:04 cait I think they are still working on it...
15:04 wizzyrea_mibbit oh cool
15:04 cait the cameras have made problems all day
15:04 eythian oh yeah, there was some effort to make it work, so it may work later
15:04 wizzyrea_mibbit cool :) thanks
15:07 rangi @query kittens
15:07 huginn` rangi: No results for "kittens."
15:07 rangi @quote search kittens
15:07 huginn` rangi: 2 found: #178: "jcamins: IIS kills kittens" and #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase..."
15:07 rangi @quote get 91
15:07 huginn` rangi: Quote #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase that should die, if FOSS is free as in kittens, proprietary software is free as in an inbred purebreed cat. That costs thousands of dollars in vet bills every year and is slightly retarded." (added by wizzyrea at 08:42 PM, August 19, 2010)
15:07 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
15:07 rangi wrt to nengards talk :)
15:07 matts hey #kohacon12, Marc Chantreux (eiro) says hello !
15:08 rangi hey eiro :)
15:08 cait hi eiro
15:13 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6dda8a63795439cde4d97f97b9d09b63011ef54a> / Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=93c7f2a98723bbb960a7012186ec7b30854a1fe0>
15:15 slef oops... boxed in by the camera again
15:16 reiveune bye
15:17 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #740: STILL UNSTABLE in 59 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/740/
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8108 - Remove unused images from the OPAC
15:17 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 8129 - Quickslips not printing
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:17 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
15:17 jenkins_koha * kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8108 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused images from the OPAC
15:17 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
15:17 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , quick slips issuing does not work
15:17 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
15:17 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , The: IssuingInProcess configuration setting is working in reverse.
15:17 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8160 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
15:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
15:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #741 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 7 days 23 hr ago)
15:20 paul_p rangi = the jenkins build that just ended has not the fix for isbn search test fixed. The build #741 should have
15:21 wajasu my script ot build a virtual machine debiansqueeze+mysql+koha-common pauses because a notice is in the koha-common deb pkg. i wonder how i can turn that notice off when installing the debian package.
15:23 slef wajasu: debconf or dpkg options I think. You can tell it not to stop at least
15:24 wajasu thx
15:25 rangi paul_p: cool :)
15:27 slef brb
15:27 paul_p magnus_away = I've been told that you just had a baby ? and his name is "Leonard" !
15:29 mtompset Hello, SJeffery
15:31 mtompset DOH! I missed my chance to complain about no access to the wiki. I'll have to remember tomorrow.
15:46 sekjal is anyone going to watch the Transit of Venus today?
15:49 rangi something rude
15:49 * cait waves
15:49 talljoy you guys are going on big screen at kohacon
15:49 francharb hi all
15:49 rangi something else rude
15:49 rangi rude
15:49 oleonard Hi Kohacon!
15:49 cait rangi: don#t make us kick you ;)
15:49 talljoy lol
15:49 rangi heh
15:49 * oleonard waves from Ohio
15:50 sekjal greetings from Massachusetts!
15:50 drojf omg i'm on tv
15:50 drojf :D
15:50 cait @wunder Edinburgh, Scotland
15:50 huginn` cait: Error: No such location could be found.
15:50 cait @wunder EDI
15:50 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 12.8°C (4:49 PM BST on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
15:50 talljoy brrrrrr
15:50 rangi @wunder nzwn
15:50 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (3:00 AM NZST on June 06, 2012). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Steady).
15:51 SJeffery Well, most of the authority updates are now funded:)
15:51 cait yay :)
15:51 cait I think?
15:52 SJeffery lol yes, it should make a significant difference for libraries that use authorities a lot.
15:54 francharb cait, there is a balloon above you, right?
15:55 jcamins We're at NEKLS.
15:55 francharb it's a just married balloon
15:55 jcamins What?
15:55 francharb in the conference room
15:56 francharb somebody got married recently apparently
15:56 francharb ;)
15:56 jcamins Ah.
15:57 * oleonard sets a plate of cookies next to Bug 8143
15:57 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery tabs to current jQueryUI version
15:58 Morthland How can I configure email notifications?
15:58 libsysguy would there be a foreseeble problem with removing the full screen aspects of the staff client and setting the content area toa static width?
15:58 libsysguy ^^ maybe for oleonard
16:00 oleonard libsysguy: Depends on the static width. Some pages will get too cramped below 1024px wide
16:00 libsysguy that is what I thought
16:01 libsysguy i guess we could set the width to 1024
16:01 libsysguy i was just looking for some consistency among page layouts
16:02 gaetan_B bye !
16:02 jcamins sandboxes?
16:02 wahanui sandboxes are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes
16:02 oleonard jcamins: Why are you at NEKLS?
16:03 jcamins oleonard: 'cause I couldn't go to Edinburgh.
16:03 oleonard So the question is really why am I not at NEKLS?
16:03 jcamins oleonard: I don't know! Why aren't you at NEKLS?
16:04 druthb that is a very good question. we have a seat here for you.
16:04 paul_p oleonard = you're the only one knowing :D :D
16:04 wizzyrea_mibbit why *aren't* you at nekls :)
16:04 sekjal @wunder NEKLS
16:04 huginn` sekjal: Error: No such location could be found.
16:04 * oleonard doesn't know!
16:04 druthb @wunder 66046
16:04 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.0°C (11:04 AM CDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
16:06 paul_p oleonard = you can send a fix for this problem (bug 8193)
16:06 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Why isn't Owen at NEKLS for the KohaCon12 ?
16:06 Morthland How do I configure email notifications
16:06 nengard Hello #koha - we're doing a general Q/A session now - so feel free to send your questions via IRC
16:06 Morthland ?
16:06 nengard you're on the big screen :)
16:06 oleonard Morthland: What aspect of email notifications are you trying to configure?
16:07 Morthland I haven't sent a single email.
16:07 Morthland That is what I want to configure
16:07 Morthland the SMTP
16:07 Morthland or whatever.
16:07 wahanui whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
16:08 Morthland I would like it to send from our godaddy account, or perhaps gmail.
16:09 mgeist What are the passwords for the sandboxes?
16:10 Morthland I do not know what that means?
16:10 nengard that info is on the wiki
16:10 cait mgeist: I am not sure, wizzyrea or paul_p?
16:10 nengard I think
16:10 nengard anyone have questions for the panel?
16:10 mgeist Its not on the wiki, just checked.
16:12 nengard test/test,
16:12 nengard it's on the wiki - but it could be bolder - so I'll make it bolder! :)
16:12 cait that's a good plan - I missed it too last time I was checking :)
16:12 Morthland Is this what I want? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Set_up_a_SMTP_server
16:13 mgeist Thank you. That worked.
16:13 oleonard Morthland: That's just for git
16:14 Morthland How can I do it for my system?
16:14 mib_mzsn6e :)
16:14 oleonard Morthland: Your question is really a general one about Linux server administration.
16:15 SJeffery Wait, there's a meeting? Where is the agenda?
16:15 oleonard oleonard: I don't know how to advise you, but I'm guessing there are lots of resources to be Googled
16:15 cait there is a question and answer session at kohacon - so not an irc meeting :)
16:15 jcamins SJeffery: it's KohaCon.
16:15 * oleonard is talking to himself?
16:15 nengard We're at KohaCon and on a panel answering your questions
16:15 cait and you can participate by asking questions :)
16:15 oleonard Morthland: I don't know how to advise you, but I'm guessing there are lots of resources to be Googled
16:16 * oleonard waves to leeinbutte
16:16 nengard Just let me know what questions are for the panel (versus those in the channel)
16:16 leeinbutte :)
16:16 cait leeinbutte++ :
16:16 oleonard Bug 8193
16:16 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Why isn't Owen at NEKLS for the KohaCon12 ?
16:16 oleonard ಠ_à²
16:16 nengard OH! :)
16:17 nengard I dont have an answer to that one ? get on a plane :) see you tomorrow!
16:17 leeinbutte hello to nekls
16:18 sekjal oleonard: about a 12-13 hour drive....
16:18 nengard hehe
16:19 francharb anyone who knows how analytical records works? I understood almost everything but i'm still wandering this : how the number in the "used in" column is calculated in the analytics tab?
16:19 * oleonard was privileged to get to go to Hackfest and must save is travel budget for other things
16:19 * oleonard directs francharb to jcamins
16:20 cait francharb: i think jcamins will answre this in his presentation
16:20 francharb cait, it's pretty specific...
16:20 cait francharb: but I think it might require using easy analytics and is the numbe rof items you linked? (perhaps)
16:20 nengard francharb yes, jcamins is best to answer that, but I can explain it a little bit
16:21 francharb nengard, cait, thank you! we can talk about it later then!
16:22 Morthland Can I trigger a test email somehow?
16:23 francharb cait, I use easy analytical records and it's the number of biblios linked to one specific item
16:24 cait :)
16:24 francharb If I'm on the analytical record, I can see the link within the marc record to the host item
16:24 francharb but on the host item level, I didn't see how it works yet...
16:26 mbalmer ola
16:26 mbalmer just joined the 3M SIP3 implementers meeting.
16:26 mbalmer how's edinburgh?
16:26 cait mbalmer: warning: you are on the big screen at the conf - we are having a question and answer session :)
16:27 mbalmer oh, sorry.
16:28 * oleonard wonders what the q/a is about?
16:29 nengard general questions about Koha and teaching staff about Koha
16:30 nengard one question was about feature checklists
16:30 nengard and are they valuable
16:30 nengard the entire panel says "no"
16:30 jcamins Feature checklists?
16:30 nengard checklists have a bias from the person who wrote it
16:30 nengard so :
16:30 wizzyrea_mibbit mgeist just signed off on her first patch :)
16:30 nengard suspending holds Yes/No
16:30 talljoy mgeist++
16:31 nengard that's an easy one - but if one ILS calls it 'community outreach' and another calls it 'circ rules' then when it says 'no' it looks like it's not there when in reality the feature is there
16:31 cait mgeist++ :)
16:32 nengard "features are now freedom is forever" says chris
16:32 * talljoy is reminded of Mel Gibson's portrayal of WIlliam Wallace....'FREEDOM'.
16:32 eythian http://ubuntuone.com/2q7sa29i1d2ixeolHYpLuC
16:33 jcamins What's a feature checklist?
16:33 clrh jcamins: features comparison between softwares
16:33 cait a list of features that should be in an ils
16:33 jcamins Oh. I see.
16:34 eythian often set up to be biased towards a certain product
16:34 nengard yes
16:34 nengard and now we're done :)
16:34 nengard good night all
16:34 mbalmer enjoy the pubs, guys!
16:34 talljoy and gals
16:35 mbalmer them, too
16:35 talljoy lol
16:35 cait first conf day over! :)
16:37 slef ttyl
16:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #35: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/35/
16:47 jenkins_koha wizzyrea: Bug 8129 - Quickslips not printing
16:47 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Stable , quick slips issuing does not work
16:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #36 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 11 hr ago)
16:47 francharb jcamins, i figured out how analytics works (the 'used in' column...)
16:48 jcamins Yay!
17:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #741: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/741/
17:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 Self Check Should Capture Hold Items
17:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 3638 : Captured Holds may need to generate a transfer
17:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake
17:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface
17:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8161 - Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
17:02 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8176 [SIGNED-OFF] Assign an intial value to $sqlwhere
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8161 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items
17:02 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , $sqlwhere is undefined in C4::Serials in GetSubscriptions
17:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #742 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #738 8 days 0 hr ago)
17:11 slef are they still in the bar?
17:11 * slef waits for the door-locker
17:19 slef door locked :) have beer
17:22 wizzyrea_mibbit i love conference time in the IRC channel
17:24 jcamins Bug 8119
17:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8119 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Show hint when disabling active currency checkbox
17:24 jcamins Attachment 9928
17:24 huginn` 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9928&action=edit patch, Bug 8119 - Followup Show hint when disabling active currency checkbox, Bug-8119---Followup-Show-hint-when-disabling-activ.patch
17:25 wizzyrea_mibbit shari++ :D
17:27 slef heh, wrong bar
17:27 slef never mind!
17:27 slef got beer
17:31 slef wizzyrea_mibbit: didyou get my email about wordpress uploads?
18:22 RA Hello
18:23 RA Anybody there?
18:23 mbalmer no. all gone to the pubs. ;)
18:23 * libsysguy remains behind
18:23 sekjal hi, RA
18:23 * libsysguy would probably rather be at the pub though :p
18:24 RA I came to the hotel
18:24 * sekjal would definitely prefer the pub... no beer in my office
18:24 oleonard It's a common defect of offices
18:24 libsysguy I feel your pain sekjal...soon I won't though :p
18:25 libsysguy oleonard have you looked at the 'trontastic' jquery ui theme
18:25 libsysguy i feel like that has koha colors written all over it
18:25 oleonard No
18:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #36: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/36/
18:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7599 - [SIGNED-OFF] Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
18:26 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7847: OPAC search dies with Plack
18:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8111 - Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
18:26 jenkins_koha * kolpen: Bug 8116 : Fixing warn in error log
18:26 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to Piotr Kowalski, that is 183th
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , OPAC search dies with plack
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8111 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Language chooser display problem in self-checkout
18:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8116 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , z3950 empty search causes silent warning in koha-error_log
18:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #742: FIXED in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/742/
18:37 mib_7yn33s anyone around Edinburgh (sitting on their own - ala me!) looking for a few tasty pints!?
18:37 mbalmer why dont you join the other guys, mib...?
18:38 mib_7yn33s no idea where they are!
18:38 RA I am with my wife so today i decided to stay at hotel
18:38 mbalmer you have no cell phone numbers?
18:38 mib_7yn33s nope!
18:38 mbalmer hang on. and seen privmsg.
18:39 mib_7yn33s Its raining, so I though people would be put off!
18:39 mbalmer strange. I dont'see you in the use list of this channel...
18:40 mib_7yn33s I'm a phantom!?
18:40 mbalmer can you privmsg me?
19:09 cait-m_ hi #koha
19:10 jcamins_away Hi cait-m_
19:10 jwagner hi, cait-m_ -- off partying it up?
19:10 cait-m_ no back at hotel after dinner
19:10 mbalmer already?
19:11 cait-m_ maybe fighting a cold
19:11 mbalmer oh noes.
19:11 jwagner That's not good....
19:12 mbalmer haggis helps
19:12 cait-m_ lol
19:12 jwagner or whiskey
19:12 cait-m_ no thx i will take the cold
19:13 mbalmer those librarians are strange... I would prefer haggis & whisky over a cold ;)
19:13 slef not nengard's cold?
19:14 slef that's vicious
19:14 * slef may fall offline RSN... battery dying
19:15 cait-m_ perhaps only missed out on too many hours,of sleep
19:15 slef hope so
19:16 slef cait our hero
19:16 slef ok no battery... bbl
19:18 rangi dang nabbit
19:19 rangi still no luggage
19:20 dpavlin haggies++ highly recommended if in scotland :-)
19:21 mbalmer and tossing the caber...
19:21 wahanui i heard tossing the caber was fun.
19:22 druthb cait is a hero!
19:22 druthb heroine!
19:22 cait ?
19:22 druthb (14:15:19) slef: cait our hero
19:22 cait ah
19:22 cait that again
19:22 druthb do tell.
19:23 cait don't take him serious
19:23 druthb ahem! do tell!
19:23 cait ?
19:24 druthb tell why he thinks you're a hero.
19:24 mgeist Have a good afternoon! Cya.
19:27 cait druthb: nope
19:27 cait ask slef if you want to know
19:35 rangi hello paul_p :)
19:36 paul_p hi rangi. not sleeping ? /me remember how I was after the trip to NZ...
19:37 * cait waves
19:38 rangi not yet, will be soon i think
19:38 paul_p hi cait
19:51 cait Shari++
19:57 druthb1 @karma
19:57 huginn` druthb1: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (507), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50).
19:57 druthb1 @most increased
19:57 huginn` druthb1: "rangi": 588, "oleonard": 512, "wizzyrea": 342, "jcamins": 317, "gmcharlt": 311, "chris_n": 300, "cait": 290, "sekjal": 237, "paul_p": 225, "nengard": 216, "kf": 186, "magnuse": 166, "slef": 153, "druthb": 145, "eythian": 97, "fredericd": 71, "hdl": 68, "biblibre": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "jwagner": 54, "marcelr": 52, "kmkale": 46, "thd": 46, "atz": 44, and "pianohacker": 39
19:58 druthb1 @most decreased
19:58 huginn` druthb1: "<!": 116, "failed": 83, "-": 53, "<-": 46, "ie": 40, "C4::Search": 18, "windows": 18, "ptfs": 16, "--><!": 14, "liblime": 12, "src="<!": 11, "monday": 10, "-rw-r--r": 10, "marc": 9, "zebra": 9, "^": 8, "me": 7, "it": 7, "word": 6, " is not a known MakeMaker parameter name. ": 6, "patron<!": 6, "ENTRY": 6, "jsp": 6, "oracle": 6, and "yui": 6
19:59 bag @karma
19:59 huginn` bag: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (507), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50). You (bag) are ranked 338 out of 2093.
20:00 jcamins @karma jcamins
20:00 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 317 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 316.
20:00 bag @wunder 93109
20:00 huginn` bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 23.6°C (12:59 PM PDT on June 05, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 5 PM PDT this afternoon...
20:00 druthb1 @karma druthb
20:00 huginn` druthb1: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 145 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 144.
20:02 mbalmer @karma dogma
20:02 huginn` mbalmer: dogma has neutral karma.
20:03 jenkins_koha Starting build #37 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 15 hr ago)
20:04 bencahill Hmm, I'd thought a few days ago koha-community.org was second on google for 'koha', but now it's not even on the first page :-/
20:10 druthb @karma bag
20:10 huginn` druthb: Karma for "bag" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:10 druthb @karma brendan
20:10 huginn` druthb: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
20:10 bencahill I see the Ubuntu install page is for Lucid...can I use it for 12.04 (Precise) as well?
20:11 jcamins bencahill: no.
20:11 jcamins bencahill: that's a whole lot of extra steps, that will just mess up 12.04.
20:11 bencahill jcamins: Okay...how should I install it on 12.04?
20:12 jcamins bencahill: I'm looking for the page.
20:12 bencahill jcamins: Okay, thanks.
20:13 jcamins bencahill: actually, someone updated the instructions.
20:13 jcamins So I was mistaken.
20:13 jcamins You can follow those, except you have to skip step six.
20:13 kathryn good morning!
20:14 bencahill jcamins: i.e. all the stuff with Apache?
20:14 bencahill (and /var/log/koha)
20:14 jcamins Right.
20:14 bencahill jcamins: Got it. Thanks.
20:14 jcamins The old instructions were a lot more 10.04-specific.
20:15 oleonard Looks to me like koha-community.org doesn't appear on Google
20:15 oleonard Not the home page anyway
20:15 jcamins !!
20:16 oleonard Wouldn't you expect a search for "koha community" to at least return our home page?
20:16 mbalmer liblime stole our show
20:16 mbalmer ?
20:16 oleonard It's more than that mbalmer
20:16 jcamins That's not good.
20:16 sekjal rangi: small typo in latest commit to 3.8.x: dhb instead of dbh
20:16 mbalmer oleonard, I am aware of the issue. it is sad.
20:18 sekjal not even showing up when searching "koha-community"
20:18 sekjal wiki, download, translate, schema
20:18 sekjal all those, but not www
20:21 rangi ah yep, i think paul pushed a fix for that?
20:22 sekjal rangi: yes
20:22 rangi cool will push that too
20:24 * rangi was tempted to see what error jenkin threw with it, it should fail all tests (it does locally)
20:28 slef yo
20:28 slef got power
20:29 slef rangi: :(
20:29 slef airnz--
20:29 slef sorry my mistake
20:29 sekjal koha-community.org no longer has a google page rank
20:29 slef cait is not our hero
20:29 slef sekjal: site:koha-community.org returns?
20:29 cait sekjal: wow
20:30 cait how can this happen? did we get blocked or something?
20:30 slef cait is queen of kohacon12
20:30 sekjal not blocked
20:30 cait I haven't even updated the schedule yet slef
20:30 sekjal we're still getting some results
20:30 slef cait: you've 12 hours ;)
20:30 cait ah, i will do it in the morning then :)
20:31 slef sooner the better...
20:31 sekjal site:koha-community.org returns subdomains, but not the main page
20:31 cait sarah handed me the instructions :)
20:31 slef then we can make more changes
20:31 sekjal site:www.koha-community.org returns nothing
20:31 slef now I need to install stuff for jwagner's talk
20:31 slef sekjal: it never used www
20:32 slef sekjal: don't get the www-or-not debate restarted ;)
20:32 SJeffery I say use www!
20:33 sekjal I was just using www as a means of being more specific, ie excluding translate.koha-community.org, schema.koha-community.org, etc
20:33 slef sekjal: yeah. naw
20:33 SJeffery (I can't help myself)
20:34 rangi thats odd its fallen out, it was difintely in there a couple of days ago
20:34 sekjal any, the problem is that koha-community.org is unreachable from Google right now
20:34 slef SJeffery: me too but I'm not doing any of the jobs needed to do it
20:34 sekjal page rank is null
20:34 slef sekjal: ok. is wizzyrea about?
20:34 sekjal or, rather, N/A
20:34 rangi hmm not a robots.txt or anything?
20:34 cait I think they can do stuff like that if you do evil seo tricks, but we didn't
20:34 slef I think it's on webmaster tools no?
20:35 slef is there a meta tag with gibberish on the page?
20:35 slef (not on my laptop yet)
20:35 SJeffery Google has been doing some pretty rough SEO updates lately, so it would not surprise me if the site was penalized in some fashion.
20:35 wizzyrea i'm here
20:35 jcamins Here she is!
20:36 mbalmer why are some many of you online and not in a pub? that is scary...
20:36 jcamins mbalmer: it's 15:35.
20:36 druthb Still working hours, in the central US.
20:36 wizzyrea I haven't done anything to the site
20:36 wizzyrea no idea why it's gone.
20:36 * druthb blames jcamins again
20:36 wizzyrea it's alarming.
20:36 mbalmer jcamins, I was, of course, referring to the Edinburgh people ...
20:37 wizzyrea of course.
20:37 * sekjal is going to go home soon, where there will be beer, and the Transit of Venus
20:38 sekjal so, like a pub. and astronomer's pub
20:38 mbalmer given enough beer, you can see the transit of venus every day...
20:39 sekjal I'm hoping for a Groundhog's Day effect...
20:39 wizzyrea there are no messages for k-c.org in webmaster tools
20:39 wizzyrea it shows green across the board
20:39 sekjal wizzyrea: maybe Google is just hosed at the moment
20:40 wizzyrea yea, up to 5/31 it was over 3k clicks a day, average position 5.1
20:40 wizzyrea which is not great but at least on the first page
20:40 wizzyrea then it fell off
20:40 wizzyrea like a rock.
20:41 cait slef: want me to mark the presentations that didn't take place? or just delete them from program and wiki?
20:43 slef mbalmer: NEED SLEEP
20:43 slef sorry lost connection
20:43 cait slef: saw my question?
20:43 slef cait: delete I think
20:43 cait ok
20:43 slef I see everything
20:43 cait I will clean the pages a bit then
20:43 cait scary :)
20:43 slef I just don't always read everything
20:44 sekjal updated Google algorithm on May 25
20:44 slef I want to be kibo 2.0
20:44 slef sekjal: yeah. Made a bloody mess
20:45 slef so everyone, please link koha-community.org in your email sigs and on social nets and so on
20:45 wizzyrea link to what they did sekfal?
20:45 wizzyrea sekjal*
20:46 slef we cannot trust private-run search engines to Do The Right Thing
20:46 slef we must make it ourselves
20:46 slef at home
20:46 sekjal http://www.seomoz.org/google-algorithm-change
20:46 slef with a small aaubergine
20:46 slef and well done to anyone knowing that reference :)
20:47 sekjal we may want to update our <meta name="robots" content="index,follow" />
20:47 sekjal to remove entirely, I think, as that content appears to be non-standard
20:47 sekjal per: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2007/03/using-robots-meta-tag.html
20:49 Dunadan Does Koha 3.8 have a script called expire_holds_over.pl..??
20:52 dunadan Does koha 3.8 have a script called expire_holds_over.pl?
20:52 sekjal dunadan: no, there isn't a script with that name
20:53 dunadan hmm..it was mentioned in the koha-3-8-0-released notes....
20:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #37: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/37/
20:53 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8082: Fixing circulation.pref to match reality for IssuingInProcess
20:53 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8160 - Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
20:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8082 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , The: IssuingInProcess configuration setting is working in reverse.
20:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8160 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Link to cataloging appears for users without cataloging permission
20:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #38 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 15 hr ago)
20:53 sekjal dunadan: there is a feature to handle hold expiry if they've been waiting too long
20:53 wizzyrea sekjal - delete the meta robots or replace it with something else
20:54 sekjal wizzyrea: delete is my vote
20:54 dunadan sekjal: what is it called?
20:54 sekjal dunadan: there is misc/cronjobs/holds/cancel_expired_holds.pl
20:55 sekjal gtg
20:55 sekjal have a good one, all!
20:55 drojf good evening
20:59 wizzyrea oh, well what you all missed
20:59 rangi hmm?
21:00 drojf rangi: got your stuff?
21:00 rangi no :(
21:00 drojf oh
21:00 drojf :(
21:00 wizzyrea nm, I'm blocking that site from my results.
21:00 wizzyrea :P
21:00 rangi ill have to borrow a tshirt from eythian tomorrow i think
21:00 drojf where did they send it now?
21:00 wizzyrea oy, stinky lost bag.
21:01 drojf how is that even possible?
21:01 rangi it is somewhere in edinburgh, i think with the courier
21:01 rangi hopefully they deliver it early tomorrow
21:01 cait fingers crossed
21:01 drojf ok, thats the right city at least
21:01 cait I would offer a tshirt - but you probably prefer eythian's ;)
21:03 dunadan No, cancel_expired_holds.pl moves holds from being expired to being cancelled,
21:03 dunadan and thus moved to the old_reserves table. Not every waiting hold has an
21:03 dunadan expiration date; it's not filled in by the holds fill process. The patron or
21:03 dunadan librarian has to set it manually. What's needed is an automated way of adding
21:03 dunadan these expiration dates based on the ReservesMaxPickupDelay value, so that
21:03 dunadan cancel_expired_holds.pl can capture and cancel them.
21:04 slef and I'm too short and scrawny...
21:04 slef dunadan: mentioned in release notes you say?
21:05 dunadan sorry about that, bug (7408) mentioned, yes
21:10 dunadan OK. got it now. It's a syspref called ExpireReservesMaxPickupDelay, thanks.
21:11 slef heh... glad... I need a good 30mins to understand 7408
21:11 wizzyrea bug 7408
21:11 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7408 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, RESOLVED FIXED, Expire holds that have been waiting too long
21:12 slef it's a fun read
21:12 slef paul_p comments about taking 2h on one step
21:12 slef looks thorny to me
21:13 dunadan wizzy...this doesn't create a report anywhere does it. would be nice to know what holds to pull off of "waiting" shelf
21:14 dunadan I guess you have to dig it out of the sql tables, somewhere...the things that were cancelled
21:15 wizzyrea hm, my best guess as to why this happened to kc.org is because of all of the footer links in koha catalogs.
21:16 wizzyrea yea, there's a hold over tab in holds awaiting pickup
21:16 wizzyrea circulation -> holds awaiting pickup -> hold over tab
21:17 dunadan That "holds over" thing is a nightmare
21:18 rangi wizzyrea: too many links?
21:18 wizzyrea looks that way
21:18 wizzyrea too many links with formerly-seo-friendly anchor text
21:19 rangi ah right, so we need to fix that syspref eh?
21:19 SJeffery How can you tell that is the issue vs something else?
21:21 wizzyrea well, reading. mostly.
21:21 wizzyrea about the latest google algorithm update.
21:22 wizzyrea for example
21:22 wizzyrea mdah.state.ms.us 1,316,137
21:22 wizzyrea they have a million links to us?
21:22 rangi ah each page will have one
21:23 wizzyrea exacterly
21:23 wizzyrea bsz has over 100k
21:23 rangi hmm this must happen with other systems too
21:23 rangi like wordpress
21:23 wizzyrea yea, there was a similar case
21:23 wizzyrea of ^^^^^^ exactly
21:24 wizzyrea a wordpress theme developer
21:24 wizzyrea put backlinks on their theme, when people installed it
21:24 wizzyrea insisted they not remove it
21:24 wizzyrea they got heavily penalized.
21:24 rangi well wordpress.org itself has a link
21:24 rangi a powered by wordpress one
21:25 wizzyrea right, I guess having the url "wordpress.org" on a link to wordpress.org is better than having an image or a "powered by wordpress"
21:25 wizzyrea i mean, I could be reading this wrong.
21:25 rangi Proudly powered by WordPress etc
21:25 wizzyrea http://searchengineland.com/first-report-of-google-penguin-recovery-122700
21:26 wizzyrea there's the case of the wp theme dev
21:26 cait wizzyrea: oups
21:26 wizzyrea cait - is not a big deal - but the syspref probably should be changed?
21:27 rangi what does it do now, an image link, or a text link?
21:27 wizzyrea but the rest of the things they fixed for that wpmu - we don't have any of those errors.
21:27 wizzyrea good ?
21:28 wizzyrea it's text - powered by Koha
21:28 rangi right, so we thinkg the problem is just the sheer number of them?
21:29 rangi on any one site?
21:29 wizzyrea that's what I think? evidence seems to point that way.
21:29 rangi yep its def plausible
21:30 cait but I think then the google algo is broken
21:30 wizzyrea interestingly, we didn't get spanked until the 1.1 penguin update
21:30 cait like rangi said, very common for lots of pages
21:30 wizzyrea so maybe they will update it again
21:30 wizzyrea I've submitted it for reconsideration
21:31 rangi coo
21:31 libsysguy thoughts on http://screencast.com/t/QyASNc5MrN
21:31 rangi l
21:31 wizzyrea but it's not like we can just tell people "go use duckduckgo" - google is a verb now
21:31 rangi yeah
21:31 rangi finding out why it disappeared woud be the main thing, course they wont tell us why
21:32 wizzyrea yea, and webmaster tools are *not helpful*
21:32 rangi i can understand it dropping in rank, but gone altogether
21:32 * wizzyrea goes to dig up the analytic... oh wait did we put that on piwik?
21:32 * wizzyrea checks
21:32 rangi that seems broken
21:33 slef wizzyrea: cyberunions.org suggested using duckduckwent ;)
21:34 wizzyrea it does seem broken.
21:34 wizzyrea well it's probably pages down in the results
21:34 cait libsysguy: i like the frequency idea - but think we would still need a delay? the dates are confusing to me
21:34 cait not sure how that is supposed to work
21:35 cait libsysguy: was more thinking something like.... start x days after overdue, freqzency x (every each x days) up to x occurences total
21:36 libsysguy cait yeah I need to factor that in
21:36 wizzyrea looks purty tho
21:36 libsysguy a lot of those questions are in the "add notcie button"
21:36 cait yep it does :)
21:36 libsysguy wee thats what I was going for
21:36 cait libsysguy: but why the dates?
21:36 libsysguy the dates are for when to stop and start
21:36 cait libsysguy: I mean they would change all the time?
21:36 libsysguy so if stop is null
21:36 libsysguy you send them forever
21:37 cait hm
21:37 cait I might misunderstand that
21:37 cait but a date wouldn't work I think?
21:37 libsysguy now that I think about it i mgiht too
21:37 cait if you want up to 3 letters
21:37 libsysguy well I am working on the rewrite
21:37 libsysguy so I am thinking infinate notices
21:38 cait I think having a stop and start date perhaps makes sense for when you want to factor in vacation / closed periods of time
21:38 cait but you would still need a counter fo rhow many you want to send
21:38 libsysguy so I am trying to work out the recurrence
21:38 libsysguy I thought about having a counter, it really makes more sense
21:38 libsysguy i keep thinking of this as a calendar and not sending notices
21:39 libsysguy I really like the way google calendar handles dates etc
21:39 libsysguy but i think i got stuck on that
21:39 libsysguy and missed the mark on what I was trying to do
21:39 libsysguy but for today, all I've been workin on is the look
21:39 libsysguy so hearing it is pretty makes me happy lol
21:41 libsysguy anyway im out for the evening
21:41 libsysguy cya tomorrow
21:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #38: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/38/
21:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8182 - Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
21:42 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8182 follow-up, fixing BLO typo mistake
21:42 cait bye libsysguy :)
21:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
21:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #39 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #33 7 days 16 hr ago)
21:44 wizzyrea http://www.seomoz.org/blog/recovering-from-the-penguin-update-a-true-story#jtc182327
21:45 wizzyrea tl:dr - vary your anchor text.
21:46 * slef shuffles files around for all he's worth, trying to make sure he has enough disk if tomorrow is as annoying with cameras as today
21:47 slef I have 4 cameras with me. I used 3 :-/
21:47 slef Only reason I didn't use the 4th is I forgot I had it with me.
22:22 bencahill slef: What cameras? (/me is interested in photography quite a bit)
22:22 bencahill (or are you talking video?)
22:30 slef bencahill: video, yes
22:30 slef bencahill: I am trying to capture kohacon12... while also chairing half of it
22:30 bencahill slef: Ah, cool. Yeah, space can be an issue. :P
22:31 bencahill slef: Oh my, that's quite a challenge. The worst I've done is getting video cams set up for my brother and play a concert. ;)
22:31 slef yeah... and I remember looking at the TB disk and thinking "nah, why would I need that"
22:31 bencahill lol
22:32 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
22:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #39: FIXED in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/39/
22:32 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fix for XISBN test, thingisbn is now handing back different results
22:32 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, sam-sanders, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
22:32 * bencahill has 2 1TB externals and a 2TB external. :)
22:32 slef so it is 400 miles south of here
22:32 slef in a crate
22:32 slef oops!
22:32 slef I think today, I had one camera crash, 2 battery deaths and 3 full memories
22:33 bencahill Ouch
22:33 bencahill slef: Wow, that's quite unfortunate. :-/
22:33 slef yeah
22:33 slef there will be a few gaps in today's presentation recordings
22:34 slef I am glad that I am paranoid on days like today
22:34 bencahill I'm still getting used to HD video, as many of our computers here can't handle it natively.
22:34 bencahill Yes.
22:34 slef oh even the HD camera here, I am running in SD because of disk space
22:34 * bencahill is extremely paranoid about data as well :P
22:34 slef tomorrow, we will have 5 cameras!
22:34 bencahill slef: Yeah, I can totally see that...and if the rest are SD anyway...
22:35 bencahill At one of my brother's recitals, I used 4 cameras (3 still cams that took video and a pocket cam)...I love different angles. :P
22:35 slef heh... one of them is not even SD... QVGA antique
22:35 bencahill hehe
22:36 slef I still carry that because I think you could set a bomb off and it would keep recording
22:36 bencahill hehe
22:36 slef but I was reminded today it does not like SDHC
22:37 bencahill Ah, that sucks...
22:37 bencahill I think the only device I use that doesn't support it is my H2
22:38 slef where do you upload videos to?
22:39 bencahill slef: Normally mine are for playing on the computer or DVD. If uploading, YouTube.
22:39 bencahill Here's a simple video I took with one camera at our last youth orchestra concert: http://youtu.be/1oT9DXAvNg0
22:40 slef I guess I may open a google account just to upload these there :-/
22:41 bencahill slef: I like doing fun stuff like these, though: http://youtu.be/qNd8MuRG85M and http://youtu.be/GMTYJ3hFEdw
22:45 slef bencahill: I'm going to have to leave those last two for later because I am currently failing to test webex
22:48 slef if anyone knows if it can work/be made to work on debian... help ;)
22:48 slef I mean: help! ;)