Time  Nick           Message
00:19 * jcamins_away peeks in.
03:18 mtompset       Greetings #koha channel folk. :)
06:23 nikhil         hallo
06:25 mib_4tfrlb     hallo
07:00 reiveune       hello
07:01 gaetan_B       hello :)
08:28 cait-m_        hi all
08:34 cait-m_        noone here? :-)
08:35 cait-m_        magnuse++
08:36 matts          hi cait-m_ :)
08:37 matts          oh, cait-m_ , you're flying via amsterdam ? Me too :)
08:37 hdl            hi matts
08:37 cait-m_        we have the same plane to edi :-)
08:38 cait-m_        lucky coincidence
08:38 matts          yeah ! It's the one that arrives at 21:30 right ?
08:38 cait-m_        hmm 15 55?
08:38 matts          lol
08:38 matts          so it's not the same plane :)
08:39 cait-m_        oh
08:40 cait-m_        18 30 in edinburgh
08:40 matts          You'll arrive when i'll leave :)
08:40 cait-m_        you are not travelling with the rest of the biblibre crowd?
08:41 matts          no, they're coming from marseille through paris... And i'm coming from strasbourg
08:41 cait-m_        hm cant read schedules today - 15 55 is edi
08:41 matts          hi hdl !
08:42 cait-m_        hi hdl
08:44 samuel         hi everybody!
08:44 cait-m_        bit disappointed, no free wifi in zurich
08:44 cait-m_        hi samuel
08:46 samuel         question : i want to put a file "robots.txt "(User-agent: * Disallow: /)  on koha  but i don't know where i can put it.
08:46 cait-m_        i think there is an example file in koha
08:46 cait-m_        not sure about the directory
08:47 cait-m_        it might have instructions too
08:47 matts          at the root of the pub dir ?
08:47 matts          (ie : in koha-tmpl)
08:48 hdl            matts: in a dev install you are right
08:48 hdl            matts: on standard install, iirc you are wrong.
08:49 matts          hmm, yes, production mode might be different
08:50 samuel         i don't find koha-tmpl
08:50 cait-m_        35mins till biarding...
08:52 hdl            samuel: /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs
08:52 hdl            (sgdg)
08:53 samuel         sound good :-)
09:20 cait-m_        boarding time :-)
09:31 samuel         cait-m:good travel!
09:41 samuel         Can CAS authentication be used with the Staff Client?
09:50 mtompset       Hello, zioha.
10:16 Oak            \o
11:13 WaqarAzeem     Hello Everyone ...
11:35 mtompset       Hello, #koha channel.
11:39 jwagner        good morning
11:39 mtompset       good day (24 hour period -- it's evening here)
11:41 mtompset       Was there a reason various modules use Modern::Perl?
11:41 mtompset       : : Perl
11:42 hdl            mtompset: becaus it is cool, and is the actual PERL standard.
11:42 hdl            (for production grade applications I mean)
11:42 mtompset       Yes, but Ubuntu 8.04.04 which is supported until next year can't run KOHA unless I upgrade the perl from the default 5.8.8 installation. :P
11:43 mtompset       And worse yet....
11:44 mtompset       In the near future--sometime around September 2012--this module may drop support for 5.10 and will complain (once per process) if you use a year too old. As of May 2012, Perl 5.12 is unsupported by the Perl 5 Porters, so please consider upgrading.
11:44 mtompset       Ubuntu 10.04 I believe has Perl 5.10 -- I'll check shortly.
11:46 mtompset       Yep... this many people who though they wouldn't need to upgrade their Ubuntu installs may decide to jump to 12.04 3 years earlier then they hoped.
11:47 mtompset       this means many...
11:49 hdl            what is the problem with perl upgrade and libmodern-perl-perl install ?
11:49 mtompset       I've never done it before. Is it safe?
11:49 mtompset       Particularly after having done a whole bunch of CPAN installs?
11:53 hdl            mtompset: a whole bunch of CPAN install is what you would have avoided with koha-community packaging. you ought to test that on a test server.
11:54 mtompset       on Ubuntu?
11:55 jwagner        slef, online?
11:55 mtompset       koha-community seems to be pro-Debian more than Ubuntu.
11:56 hdl            mtompset: and it is.
11:57 hdl            it is not pro-debian just for fun
11:57 hdl            and ubuntu is also debian based
11:57 wahanui        okay, hdl.
11:58 hdl            wahanui: forget ubuntu
11:58 wahanui        hdl: I forgot ubuntu
11:58 mtompset       wahanui is hilarious.
11:58 mtompset       got to love bots.
11:59 mtompset       Yes, but debian and ubuntu don't always place things in the same directory structure or do things the same way. If I use Ubuntu, I'd prefer to stick with Ubuntu packages.
12:00 mtompset       I'll play with the perl upgrade idea though.
12:01 hdl            hope the best for you
12:03 mtompset       I haven't checked out Debian, but Debian likely has similar upgrade cycles and LTS releases, correct?
12:04 mtompset       It seems that the use of Modern Perl can disrupt that, if perl upgrades don't go well.
12:23 oleonard       Hi #koha
13:02 mtompset       Greetings, oleonard.
13:03 mtompset       Are you one of the attendees of KohaCon?
13:04 oleonard       Nope
13:04 * oleonard     regrettably
13:04 Oak            :-| *sigh*
13:04 mtompset       Neither am I... didn't know about all this side of Koha until recently. :)
13:05 mtompset       It's after-hours and I am going to attempt to shoe-horn Koha onto Ubuntu 8.4.4 :)
13:06 oleonard       mtompset: Why?
13:06 mtompset       Call it a bizarre sense of fun and educational too. :)
13:07 liw            it'll probably teach you a lot of why you want to run a more recent release of the OS ;-)
13:08 mtompset       It's like tethering your internet under Windows 2000. ;)
13:08 mtompset       using a blackberry.
13:08 mtompset       crazy but workable!
13:08 oleonard       mtompset: Does this mean you got Koha up and running successfully on a current OS and you're ready for more?
13:08 mtompset       It's already up and running...
13:08 mtompset       Not perfectly.
13:09 mtompset       Still have snowball errors.
13:09 mtompset       However, given the various things I have learned while trying to shoe-horn koha in 8.4.4, I have enough data to convince my manager that we shouldn't just clone 10.4 to live.
13:10 mtompset       But rather do a clean set up under 12.04
13:10 mtompset       and bring the data over.
13:11 mtompset       Because I suspect there won't be any snowball errors under 12.04 as most of the libraries needed are listed and less need for CPAN.
13:17 mtompset       Have you ever watched "The Big Bang Theory", oleonard? Your last name has me thinking of Leonard.
13:17 oleonard       I have, but didn't get into it.
13:20 mtompset       Okay... let's say I get the latest and greatest Ubuntu up and running KOHA...
13:20 oleonard       Koha, not KOHA ;) Unless you're shouting enthusiastically.
13:20 mtompset       How do I upgrade 3.6.3 to a newer version without losing data?
13:20 oleonard       Although Koha versus KOHA is a preference, not a trademarkable distinction :P
13:21 mtompset       I prefer Liblime Koha and KOHA. ;)
13:21 mtompset       Capitalization becomes a distinction. But anyways...
13:22 oleonard       Koha is a word, not an acronym.
13:22 mtompset       I know. I know. :)
13:23 mtompset       How do I upgrade the system?
13:23 mtompset       (like the way I avoided saying the name?)
13:23 oleonard       Back up your database and follow the upgrade instructions in the INSTALL file I guess
13:23 * oleonard     is not an expert at upgrades
13:23 mtompset       Because let's say... 3.10 does get SAML 2.0 working.
13:23 mtompset       I'd obviously want to upgrade.
13:26 mtompset       Have you ever done an upgrade?
13:26 * oleonard     only manages his own Koha installation for development purposes and runs it off a git repo
13:27 mtompset       So why are you running Koha?
13:27 oleonard       My library runs Koha but it is managed by ByWater
13:27 oleonard       So I don't do the upgrades
13:28 mtompset       So you help find and fix bugs, so when they upgrade, your fixes are in there? :)
13:28 oleonard       Yup
13:29 mtompset       Is that the only thing you develop?
13:29 mle            #kohacon12 \0/ Norrie "Tago" MacIver confirmed playing Wednesday night : )
13:29 oleonard       Mine was the first public library in the US to run Koha in production, so I've been involved with Koha development for a while now
13:30 oleonard       I also do PHP and Drupal work for my library but I don't contribute to any other open source projects
13:30 mtompset       Cool.
13:31 oleonard       Hi sekjal
13:31 sekjal         hi, oleonard
13:31 mtompset       The NGO I work with here in the Philippines has libraries throughout asia.
13:32 oleonard       I understand the Philippines has a lot of Koha installations but they're mostly 2.x ?
13:32 mtompset       The library co-ordinator is hoping this project springboards other entities within our organization in other areas to use Koha too.
13:32 mtompset       To be honest. I don't know.
13:32 mtompset       I'm a software developer by profession.
13:33 mtompset       I've been working in VB, VBA, and perl mostly for the last few years.
13:33 mtompset       So when the software solutions team said, "Hey! We've got a perl project that is backlogged 4+ years." I took it. :)
13:34 mtompset       And that was my introduction to Koha.
13:36 mtompset       I had no idea who Norrie Tago MacIver was. I had to google it.
13:37 mtompset       Oh, and hi, sekjal.
13:37 sekjal         hi, mtompset
13:38 oleonard       http://web.nlp.gov.ph/nlp/?q=node/2300
13:38 oleonard       I can't remember where I saw information about the version those libraries are running
13:40 mtompset       cool, and there's a koha.nlp.gov.ph :)
13:43 mtompset       Actually, it would be 2.X if they were running under Windows. ;)
13:44 oleonard       that's what I remember reading, that they were on Windows
13:48 mtompset       Hmm... it seems like Windows Folks aren't supporting Koha anymore.
13:48 mtompset       That would be interesting to try....
13:48 mtompset       Koha under Cygwin.
13:49 mtompset       So many interesting ideas. So little time to try them all.
13:50 hdl            mtompset: you could ask chris_n who worked on a port to strawberry perl
13:50 mtompset       Yes, but the fun is in the journey, not the answer.
13:51 chris_n        wahanui: win32 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4
13:51 wahanui        OK, chris_n.
13:51 chris_n        win32:
13:51 chris_n        win32?
13:51 wahanui        win32 is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4
13:51 chris_n        have fun
13:52 mtompset       Why only 3.4?
13:52 chris_n        read and see :-)
13:53 chris_n        there are probably a half-dozen new deps since 3.4
13:53 chris_n        its the perl packages that are the most challenging aspect
13:54 chris_n        although the strawberry maintainers have done a good amount of work to ensure the necessary modules are ported to strawberry for koha
13:54 * chris_n      has pretty much lost the desire to work on the win32 stuff any longer
13:54 chris_n        off to a meeting
13:55 mtompset       Try not to have too much fun.
14:00 oleonard       mtompset: One of the problems is that most people running Koha on Windows don't participate in the Koha community so any work they're doing (if any) is done in isolation
14:01 mtompset       true
14:02 mtompset       And actually, I have encountered similar problems to what the wiki page describes with Python.
14:02 mtompset       ^with^but with^
14:02 mtompset       I had a data exporting routine written on a Mac.
14:03 mtompset       Trying to get it to run under Windows required an older python, because the libraries just weren't there for the MARC record format under the new ones a few months back.
14:06 mtompset       We have a multi-cultural, multi-platform software development team. :)
14:23 oleonard       Are hold limits completely broken? They are in my tests
14:29 mtompset       hold limits?
14:30 mtompset       The only system I could test on is a 3.6.3 ;)
14:31 mtompset       Unless there is code you'd like me to read. :)
14:35 mtompset       Ooooo. perl is at 5.16. Has anyone tried Koha under 5.16?
14:35 oleonard       Our 3.6.1 system in production isn't blocking holds after the item type limit has been reached
14:50 oleonard       I'm not blocked from making too many holds in master either
14:51 mtompset       Hey, finding bugs is earning your wages. ;)
14:52 mtompset       Just wish they weren't as critical as broken limits. :)
15:09 oleonard       It's a nice bug to find while everyone in Koha is on vacation :P
15:09 reiveune       bye
15:09 Oak_           oleonard++
15:11 hdl            oleonard: it is a nice bug to find, while every one is at koha con and have a hackfest by the end of the week :D
15:12 * oleonard     can always hope
15:15 wizzyrea       there has been some discussion about which limits to save - the circ rules limits, the syspref limits...
15:15 wizzyrea       and almost none of them seem to work in the OPAC.
15:17 mtompset       why are there two sets of limits?
15:18 wizzyrea       dunno there's a whole discussion of it in bugzilla somewhere
15:18 mtompset       should discussions be on bugzilla? How will people make sense of it unless they hop all the bugs?
15:19 wizzyrea       sometimes they are on the dev list. But lots of times discussion is on bugzilla.
15:19 oleonard       Discussions are on bugzilla where the discussion is about a bug
15:19 wizzyrea       ^^ yes, this.
15:19 oleonard       There is a maxreserves system preference which pre-dates the circulation rules matrix
15:20 oleonard       Unfortunately the circulation rules system didn't fully replace the maxreserves preferences so both persist
15:20 oleonard       This in and of itself is a bug
15:20 wizzyrea       neither working is just bonus.
15:20 wizzyrea       bonus suck, I should say.
15:24 mtompset       And all just before lunch or midnight, depending on your timezone?
15:24 wizzyrea       oh it's first thing monday morning for me :P
15:24 wizzyrea       and I've already dropped something on my foot.
15:25 oleonard       for some definitions of first thing ;)
15:25 wizzyrea       first *koha* thing. ;)
15:25 wizzyrea       and hey I'm an hour behind you, it's still firmly in "morning" here.
15:26 mtompset       11:25pm makes it near midnight or lunch (EST), both timezones which matter to me. :P
15:33 mtompset       Any ideas on how to upgrade your OS' perl?
15:36 mtompset       Sweet... a bug of mine was signed off and passed QA. YAY! :)
15:38 wizzyrea       which one
15:38 wahanui        which one is it
15:46 oleonard       wahanui: forget which one
15:46 wahanui        oleonard: I forgot which one
15:49 mtompset       8176
15:50 mtompset       bug 8176
15:50 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8176 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Passed QA , $sqlwhere is undefined in C4::Serials in GetSubscriptions
15:52 mtompset       Is the libyaz3 and libyaz4 api's equivalent as far as koha cares?
15:52 mtompset       ^Is^Are^
15:53 mtompset       The yaz modules are used by zebra, right?
15:54 gaetan_B       bye !
15:55 mtompset       Bye, gaetan_B.
15:56 mtompset       Hmm.... I really should be doing development at night... my netbook is running 4-5 celcius cooler.
16:07 oleonard       Well.
16:14 wizzyrea       oh good everyone's back
16:35 mtompset       I never left. :P
16:35 mtompset       Good day (24 hour period) to everyone on #koha.
16:36 mtompset       Bye.
16:47 oleonard       Hi cait
16:47 oleonard       Have you arrived?
16:47 cait           hi oleonard :)
16:47 cait           yep
16:47 cait           just got into my room
16:47 cait           now looking where I am and how to get to the library bar
16:49 oleonard       Tell everyone hi from Owen
16:49 * oleonard     wishes he could be there too!
16:50 cait           I will
16:50 * cait         wishes you could be here too!
16:50 sekjal         hi cait
16:50 cait           hi sekjal :)
16:50 sekjal         I'd like to piggy-back on oleonard's "hi" with a "hello" of my own
16:51 sekjal         really wish I could have made it this year...
16:51 cait           we wish that too
16:51 cait           I will miss lots of people
16:51 * jwagner      wishes I were there too
16:53 slef           arrived, heading to library bar, be a bit late
16:53 cait           me too
16:53 cait           at hotel now
16:53 cait           where are you slef?
16:53 slef           some street
16:53 cait           heh
16:53 cait           same here
16:53 slef           3 streets away
16:54 cait           well, still at the hotel, but not sure where the library bar is
16:54 cait           looking it up now
16:54 cait           I am in windsor street...
16:54 slef           I think we're on nicolson
16:55 slef           see you there!
16:55 * slef         afk
18:04 chris_n        if you're chasing random reboots, and your logs don't help, try mcelog
18:04 chris_n        it finally tracked down a regularly random parity error on one of two xeon processors in a critical file server
18:05 chris_n        lots_of_upset_users--
18:27 wizzyrea       oof
19:01 * oleonard     hums and drums his fingers on the table
19:03 wizzyrea       hm?
19:10 gmcharlt       wahanui: do you have a vector version of the stock Koha logo?
19:10 wahanui        no idea, gmcharlt
19:11 gmcharlt       er, why I am asking the bot
19:11 gmcharlt       wajasu: do you have a vector versno of the stock Koha log?
19:11 wizzyrea       hehe
19:11 wizzyrea       sometimes he knows
19:11 wizzyrea       he's practically sentient.
19:11 gmcharlt       I noticed that you had made one for kohacon12
19:11 oleonard       gmcharlt: /misc/interface_customization
19:11 wizzyrea       oooooooo
19:11 oleonard       koha3-staff-client-logo.svg
19:11 gmcharlt       oleonard++ # my hero
19:12 wizzyrea       vector art is found in /misc/interface_customization
19:12 wizzyrea       vector art?
19:12 wahanui        vector art is, like, found in /misc/interface_customization
19:13 sekjal         vectoriffic!
19:41 oleonard       Bug 8188
19:41 huginn`        04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8188 major, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , OPAC allow hold date in future requires both OPAC and staff-side preferences to be ON
19:42 oleonard       Is it just me or does that seem wrong?
19:46 wizzyrea       that seems wrong.
19:48 wizzyrea       heya nengard, how ya feelin?
19:48 nengard        finally better :)
19:48 nengard        just in time to speak tomorrow
19:48 wizzyrea       fantastic :)
19:49 nengard        just had dinner with the BibLibre bunch, MJ, Cait and a few others
19:49 wizzyrea       lucky :)
19:49 oleonard       ^^
19:50 * oleonard     has still never met slef in person!
19:50 * oleonard     wonders why you have to suspend and resume all holds at once instead of individually
19:51 wizzyrea       there isn't a button
19:51 wizzyrea       ?
19:52 oleonard       Suspend all and resume all seem to be the options
19:52 nengard        oleonard staff can d it one by one
19:52 nengard        by going to the holds tab on the bib record
19:52 wizzyrea       ^^ right, patrons can't
19:52 nengard        right
19:52 oleonard       Where?
19:52 nengard        in the staff client
19:52 nengard        go to the bib record
19:52 nengard        click on the holds tab on the left
19:53 nengard        and you will see it
19:53 oleonard       Oh I was expecting to see it on the patron record.
19:53 nengard        yeah me too
19:53 nengard        i think the library who asked for it asked for the ALL option because if a patron is going on vacation or something they want to suspend all holds
19:53 nengard        it's rare they would suspend 1
19:53 nengard        ? but i'm guessing
19:54 oleonard       Who added that?
19:57 nengard        we did :)
19:57 nengard        but I don't remember which library asked us to add it
19:58 nengard        k - time to write a presentation for tomorrow - and one for tuesday if i can keep my eyes open
19:58 oleonard       Looks like it should be bedtime, not writing time!
20:11 wizzyrea       wow, anyone else get a firefox crash when trying to print fines a patron account?
20:12 oleonard       What are the steps wizzyrea?
20:13 wizzyrea       load a patron, click on fines tab, this particular patron has a lot of them, ctrl-p, crash.
20:13 oleonard       Fines tab on circulation.pl?
20:13 wizzyrea       …but uh, apparently it doesn't do it on every patron with lots of fines?! Yep, that's the one
20:14 * oleonard     has seen Firefox crash on print before
20:15 wizzyrea       the only thing in the console is "[15:13:30.348] Use of getAttributeNode() is deprecated. Use getAttribute() instead. @ http://staff.nexpresslibrary.org/cgi-bin/koha/members/boraccount.pl?borrowernumber=21082"
20:15 * oleonard     has just a couple more pages to modify to finish his first round of work on jqueryUI datepickers
20:15 wizzyrea       ooh!
20:16 oleonard       Unfortunately those two pages are holidays.pl and subscription-detail.pl. But I'll manage!
20:16 oleonard       See y'all tomorrow
20:19 datadoctor     Don't use CTRL-p, use the print slip or print quickslip feature. Something to do with long tables.
20:20 wizzyrea       no choice, the display they want isn't available with that.
20:21 datadoctor     I believe it is a bug in Firefox, we ended up using Chrome in those cases.
20:22 datadoctor     When the table is too long, Firefox becomes confused. We saw it with printing patron records, where the print slip, or print quickslip is available as an alternative to Ctrl-P.
20:24 datadoctor     I think it takes place when the table length exceeds the print page size.
20:25 wizzyrea       ah probably so - my gut said it was a problem in firefox
20:25 wizzyrea       and not in koha
20:25 wizzyrea       since it doesn't happen in chrome on the same patron.
20:33 sekjal         https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369140, perhaps?
20:33 huginn`        04Bug 369140: was not found.
20:33 sekjal         no talking to you, huginn
20:34 sekjal         no using the leter 't' properly, apparenly, eiher
20:40 sekjal         g'night, #koha!
20:52 * magnuse      waves in the direction of edinburgh
20:52 * slef         waves at magnuse
20:54 magnuse        kia ora slef!
20:54 magnuse        nice picture of you on flickr, courtesy of nengard
20:54 magnuse        kia ora Brooke!
20:54 Brooke         o/
20:54 Brooke         kia orrar
20:55 Brooke         i pehea to ra?
20:56 magnuse        um, huh?
20:56 Brooke         how's yer day?
20:59 * slef         climbs back on the net
21:00 * rangi        arrives without his luggage
21:00 magnuse        ouch, poor rangi
21:00 chilts         rangi: what happened? lost, missing or just misplaced?
21:00 chilts         or probably don't know yet :(
21:01 rangi          they sent it to chch, instead of auckland
21:01 rangi          eggs
21:01 rangi          so its now in singapore, and arrives tomorrow
21:01 rangi          around 12, they are gonna courier it to the hotel
21:01 chilts         and so they should
21:01 rangi          unfortunately it has all the brochures and stuff in it
21:01 chilts         :(
21:01 rangi          and my not smelly clothes
21:01 Brooke         argh
21:02 magnuse        ouch, poor kohacon then ;-)
21:02 rangi          ill be the smelly presenter tomorrow
21:02 rangi          :)
21:02 Brooke         smelly presenters > 0 presenters
21:03 rangi          and now, i should shower and run through my presentation and get some sleep
21:05 Brooke         remember that whatever sheep you choose as a bedfellow, a Scot has already been there. *duck*
21:05 datadoctor     Right y'all! Get some rest and have a fantastic KohaCon!
21:05 magnuse        Brooke: rangi did say sleep, not sheep ;-)
21:05 slef           rangi: :(
21:06 datadoctor     Of course you might need a sheep if you are going to make some haggis!
21:08 Brooke         or a proper bagpipe bag. These kids and their plastic garbage.
21:09 slef           apparently I still don't have access to my koha list email :(
21:11 slef           ISP is having mailserver trouble... glad we made a software.coop mailbox for kohacon
21:11 slef           just hope people used it and didn't try to mail me direct
21:12 Brooke         slef?
21:12 wahanui        slef is an avid cyclist
21:12 Brooke         might want to train waha to say that for a few days
21:12 slef           good idea
21:12 slef           forget slef
21:12 wahanui        slef: I forgot slef
21:13 slef           slef is not at home so please email kohacon12 AT software.coop instead
21:13 slef           wahanui: slef?
21:13 wahanui        you are not at home so please email kohacon12 AT software.coop instead
21:19 * cait         wavesw
21:21 * slef         waves
21:21 slef           do I put some packs together or sleep?
21:22 cait           sleep
21:22 cait           met rangi
21:22 cait           and robin is supposed to be here too
21:23 cait           I mean didn't meet him, but both arrived at the hotel :)
21:23 cait           hey drojf :)
21:23 cait           hope you arrived too?
21:23 drojf          hola :)
21:23 drojf          yes!
21:23 slef           yeah rangi was here
21:23 slef           rangi is missing at least one case
21:23 drojf          unfortunately had to rest my eyes shortly and misses dinner
21:24 slef           it will arrive tomorrow
21:24 drojf          ouch @ rangi
21:25 slef           these things are sent to test us :)
21:25 drojf          how was the library bar? or are you still there?
21:25 slef           nah left to get food... niw back in room
21:25 slef           it seems pretty good
21:26 slef           fairly cheap too
21:26 slef           well cheap for the UK
21:26 drojf          heh
21:26 drojf          sounds good
21:26 cait           rest your eyes? ;)
21:26 drojf          i had a really short night :/
21:27 drojf          making slides, or going for a walk?
21:28 * drojf        drinks guinness from a tea cup
21:28 cait           lol
21:28 wizzyrea       guinness from a tea cup. Epic.
21:29 cait           I brought tea, because I don't like black tea
21:29 wizzyrea       hehe
21:29 cait           but too lazy to make some
21:29 wizzyrea       I've been preaching the gospel of cait's fennel salad across lawrence.
21:29 cait           lol
21:29 cait           and yay
21:29 cait           :)
21:29 wizzyrea       people see me with those fuzzy things in my cart and they can't help themselves they have to ask me what they ar
21:29 wizzyrea       and then they have to ask me wtf I do with it.
21:30 wizzyrea       so I have to tell them
21:30 wizzyrea       :)
21:31 cait           lol
21:31 cait           is fennel so unusual?
21:32 wizzyrea       apparently?
21:32 magnuse        fennel = fuzzy?
21:33 cait           perhaps the greens
21:33 wizzyrea       yea, the greens
21:33 slef           at the top
21:33 wizzyrea       they often sell them with full fuzz
21:33 wizzyrea       here
21:33 wizzyrea       it's quite impressive.
21:33 slef           fluffy bits
21:33 wizzyrea       magnuse!
21:33 wahanui        magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
21:34 magnuse        hehe
21:34 magnuse        ah, ours are just a little bit fuzzy ;-)
21:34 cait           yep
21:35 cait           only little bit fuzzy - sadly
21:36 slef           queen going to sing on bbc1 now
21:36 slef           has replaced phillip with a younger man
21:37 drojf          goodness
21:38 * rangi        wanders in again
21:39 rangi          magnuse: CONGRATS!!!!!
21:39 magnuse        rangi: thanks!
21:40 wizzyrea       yes, definitely congrats are in order
21:43 slef           what did I miss?
21:44 wizzyrea       what's the norwegian word for "baby?"
21:44 magnuse        wizzyrea: baby ;-)
21:45 cait           magnuse: hey, the norwegian is like the german!
21:45 magnuse        slef: i persuaded every library in norway to use koha. nah...
21:46 slef           magnuse: congratulations. You must be very busy ;)
21:46 drojf          magnuse: congratulations. the british have fireworks just now, i suppose its for you ;)
21:47 magnuse        yay!
21:47 magnuse        slef: probably more busy when they both come home from hospital (well, at least i will not have to drive there twice every day...)
21:48 wizzyrea       oh yes. You should be sleeping right now.
21:48 wizzyrea       lol.
21:49 slef           Land of Hops and Stories
21:49 magnuse        i should.
21:50 magnuse        good night #koha - here's hoping everyone in edinburgh will have a ton of fun in the coming week!
22:17 cait           good night all!
22:18 cait           @wunder EDI
22:18 huginn`        cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 8.5°C (11:18 PM BST on June 04, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
22:27 kathryn        hi all! ooh I wonder if all the Edinburgh people are tucked up in bed
22:46 * chris_n      shuts down his Win32 koha for good