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23:52 * Oak goes back to sleep
23:24 slef bbl
23:23 slef Tescopoly.org - Every Little Hurts
23:22 slef but they're a bad company
23:22 slef hmmm Tesco £7.50 for 1Gb for one month
23:21 slef I think for customer service vodafone = t-mobile > o2 > 3 > orange
23:20 slef coo... looks like o2 and 3 are cheapest... interesting to know
23:16 eythian but it's not supposed to exist
23:16 slef heh I meant in the UK but never mind
23:16 eythian near enough to £20
23:16 eythian 3GB/mo for NZ$40
23:16 rangi yeah we sure do
23:16 slef you get gouged on prepay
23:16 eythian I have some bizarre non-stop promo plan
23:16 eythian not for prepay
23:16 eythian but not terribly so
23:16 slef for prepay?
23:15 eythian more expensive than what I pay here, oddly enough :)
23:15 slef http://www.o2.co.uk/tariffs/payandgo "The Works"
23:15 eythian slef: that sounds ideal
23:14 slef (o2 web bolt-on)
23:14 rangi updating now
23:14 slef eythian: looks like £10/Gb if you do it right, similar to prepay data-only, actually.
23:13 rangi yeah
23:13 eythian (well, the quotes not working thing may be correct, but the rest of it not so much)
23:13 eythian I think the person doesn't know perl.
23:13 eythian rangi: that bug is totally wrong
23:13 eythian slef: no, it's OK. I was just wondering if you knew off the top of your head
23:13 slef eythian: it's on the summary page
23:12 wahanui kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
23:12 slef wahanui: kohacon12?
23:12 slef eythian: no clue, sorry. Have you tried the link on the wiki? If it doesn't help, I can ask around.
23:12 eythian slef: phone
23:11 slef eythian: prepay for data only or in a phone?
23:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to potential malicious code execution
23:10 rangi bug 8171 confuses me
23:05 jcamins lol
23:04 eythian It's the same hemisphere even
23:04 eythian relatively speaking.
23:04 eythian jcamins: you could just come to Edinburgh you know. It's not far from where you are.
23:04 rangi :)
23:04 jcamins I _really_ want that one to be recorded.
23:03 eythian cool
23:02 rangi speaking of which, after i have had a refresher of his tutorial i plan to run one here
23:01 jcamins :)
23:00 eythian liw rather
23:00 eythian also larsw will be there to help me :)
23:00 eythian jcamins: it seems like a plausible thing for me to do :)
23:00 jcamins eythian: any chance I could persuade you to set up an oldstable dist during the hackfest? :)
22:59 eythian slef: what sort of data plans will a prepay SIM card have there?
22:59 eythian definitely in 3.6
22:58 slef because the bit obscured by the floating bar isn't taken off of page-down distance by firefox
22:58 slef t jump through that fast.
22:58 slef page down pages down more than a page, though... not a big problem in the marc editor though, as most people don
22:57 jcamins rangi: no, much longer.
22:56 rangi having to scroll back to the top was a pet peeve
22:56 * rangi likes
22:56 slef since the blue 3.8 UI changes I think
22:56 rangi that's awesome!
22:56 slef I'm on 3G dongle because it's cheaper than the wifi :-/
22:56 rangi how long has the save bar floated in the marc editor?
22:56 rangi holy crap
22:55 slef it's like where I'm sat now
22:55 rangi *nod*
22:55 slef but it happens a lot
22:55 slef it irritates me when I have to tether because the wifi is so obnoxious
22:54 rangi :) worst comes to worst I can tether
22:54 slef but that's just me looking on the dark side again.
22:53 slef I'm worried that we'll be bugfixing the wifi but it wouldn't be the first conference that's happened at.
22:47 eythian So I need to look at it fresh
22:47 eythian Mine needs review, as it's been a few days since I finished it.
22:47 rangi actually i need to rejig my main talk a bit
22:44 eythian I think that'll be today and tomorrow.
22:44 rangi and yeah me too
22:44 rangi oh yeah i meant just the kohacon bit
22:44 * eythian needs to write the hackfest part still
22:43 eythian I assume we'll have wifi for that, otherwise things won't work so well.
22:43 eythian I'll probably be plugging my laptop in, especially for the hackfest part.
22:40 slef I may be misleading you, getting my lies in early
22:40 slef hey, it may all be different
22:40 cjh thanks :)
22:39 slef is where it would be
22:39 slef http://bambuser.com/channel/mjray
22:39 cjh sorry a bird is typing on my keyboard... that should've been a :)
22:39 cjh that should
22:39 cjh so I can watch the presentations in my sleep )
22:38 slef if we can get the wifi up and there's enough power, I may be able to stream live
22:37 cjh worst case having access to the slides would work as well
22:37 slef cjh: yes but no promises yet on quality, sadly
22:34 cjh are the presentations being recorded?
22:33 * jcamins will probably record a video, so that there's a handout of sorts.
22:30 rangi ill have my laptop, but am happy to just transfer it to the presentation machine too
22:29 rangi slef: mine is just html/javascript so should work on anything
22:29 rangi yeah sounds good
22:27 slef yengh... what do I need to send speakers? File formats, screen size, a link to the programme and a see-you-soon?
22:23 rangi its not a bad idea
22:23 jcamins Seems to me like that might be a good idea.
22:21 rangi yeah chrooted should work
22:20 cjh it would also need access to all the perl modules, but otherwise I cant think of any reason why not
22:19 jcamins Hey, is there any reason that Plack couldn't be chrooted? It seems to me that the web server does not need access to any (Koha-specific) files other than koha-conf.xml and /usr/share/koha.
22:08 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Announcements <-- good idea
22:08 rangi so it must be working for new users again
22:08 rangi david nind is editing the wiki
22:08 rangi oh hey
21:55 rangi cool
21:54 Elay will work on the virtual machine later
21:54 Elay ok. time for me to go for today
21:49 jcamins Too late, of course.
21:49 * jcamins realizes that he should have put home on a different volume.
21:46 jcamins I just use the default.
21:45 cait I think I used what was suggested, but someone might have better advice
21:44 Elay VDI, VMDK, VHD, HDD
21:44 Elay What kind of disk do I want to create?
21:41 jcamins Wow. Their prices are kind of remarkable.
21:40 Elay ok, Debian is done downloading
21:40 jcamins Oh, they're based in Berkeley.
21:40 ibeardslee rangi and I are just excited that they are setting up shop in NZ, so we can now buy linux laptops
21:40 jcamins Their website is a bit too minimalistic for my taste.
21:39 jcamins (not that I'm buying a laptop, I'm just curious)
21:39 ibeardslee yes
21:39 jcamins Okay, but do they sell to the US?
21:39 jcamins (and 3GB swapped out, darn it)
21:39 * cait has 8 too
21:38 rangi its very nice
21:38 jcamins Like today. When I have 67MB of RAM free.
21:38 rangi with debian squeeze and 8 gig
21:38 rangi i have https://zareason.com/shop/Alto-3880.html
21:38 jcamins But, there are days.
21:38 jcamins Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the laptop.
21:38 * wizzyrea too
21:38 * jcamins has 8GB in his laptop.
21:38 rangi i really like it tho
21:38 rangi mine is only a paltry 8GB
21:37 rangi eythian has one jcamins
21:37 jcamins Ooh. They have 16GB laptops.
21:36 rangi they do :)
21:36 ibeardslee oh, and they have an NZ company now
21:36 rangi :)
21:36 rangi get a zareason.com one
21:35 wahanui 15
21:35 wizzyrea 14 or 15
21:35 wizzyrea :)
21:35 wizzyrea get a middle sized one.
21:35 Elay all the time, have a very comfy recliner
21:35 wizzyrea so this laptop, will it sit on your lap much?
21:35 Elay so have tablet for travel.
21:35 Elay yes, but generally won't be doing much web or code while traveling
21:34 wizzyrea ?
21:34 wizzyrea travel a lot/
21:34 wizzyrea get a middle sized one.
21:34 Elay coding if I ever get to learn Perl...
21:34 Elay website development
21:34 wizzyrea what are you going to use it for?
21:34 Elay Have an android tablet already. Yes, I have bought into the Don't Be Evil Empire.
21:33 Elay so, while we're waiting for download...should I go large (17") or smaller for new laptop?
21:33 * jcamins restores a 2.8GB Koha database.
21:32 Elay will already be done on my new laptop
21:32 wizzyrea excellent, we can practice our evil laughs together.
21:32 rangi i install linux on every computer i touch, fair warning if we ever meet at kohacon again :)
21:31 Elay her
21:31 wahanui sucks has neutral karma
21:31 Elay karma sucks
21:31 * wizzyrea imagines elay rubbing his/her hands together evilly
21:31 rangi :)
21:31 Elay cuz I broke my home laptop and now have to share his computer.
21:31 rangi pretty much every IT dept i know did that
21:31 Elay Was very cruel, I know
21:31 Elay But got DH a computer with it, partially as revenge
21:31 rangi yeah xp, until windows 7
21:30 Elay I skipped right over Vista.
21:30 wizzyrea ^^
21:30 rangi lots of ppl just stayed with xp
21:30 rangi jcamins: vista sucked so much
21:30 jcamins Probably got XP confused with something else.
21:30 * jcamins hasn't used Windows in a very, very long time.
21:29 jcamins Anyway, i386 will work just fine. :)
21:29 jcamins And it's running XP? I thought XP was a 9yo OS.
21:29 Elay is 2 yo. But can't upgrade until 3.
21:28 * jcamins always uses amd64, but your computer is old enough that it might not be 64-bit.
21:28 Elay oh, good. I guessed right!
21:28 jcamins Elay: in that case you might as well go with i386.
21:28 Elay hard drive is 150 GB
21:27 Elay RAM is 3072
21:26 jcamins Elay: how much memory does it have?
21:26 Elay lame, argh, I have fallen so far behind the friggin' curve
21:26 jcamins wizzyrea: it took a lot of work.
21:26 wizzyrea that means it's me.
21:26 Elay xp
21:26 wizzyrea curses.
21:25 jcamins wizzyrea: I have, but I don't remember what I did.
21:25 wizzyrea is the target computer 32 bit or 64?
21:25 Elay i386?
21:25 wizzyrea I'm trying to get them to, but I am failing. Miserably.
21:25 wizzyrea has anyone ever gotten the SIP tests to run?
21:24 jcamins *count
21:24 jcamins We're on number... six? Seven? I last cont.
21:23 * jcamins has been setting up Squeeze servers all day.
21:22 rangi squeeze is rock solid
21:22 Elay I think sysadmin prefers debian squeeze as welll
21:22 cait as I have to start over again anyway... I might try debian too :)
21:22 * jcamins is on an anti-Ubuntu kick.
21:22 rangi debian squeeze would be mine
21:22 cait I was using ubuntu in the past, but I think debian would be a good choice
21:22 jcamins Debian is a very good choice.
21:21 jcamins Yes.
21:21 Elay debian.org?
21:21 cait next you should download your linux of choice
21:20 Elay eh, one of those things
21:20 cait ah sorry, I should have warned you
21:20 rangi helpful of it :)
21:20 Elay Whoops. VirtualMachine cut off some of my connections on install.
21:10 jcamins Yeah. I can't really offer that as "advice" on the mailing list.
21:09 rangi annoying
21:09 jcamins Unfortunately, that's the extent of my wisdom.
21:09 jcamins The problem is probably Ubuntu 12.04, not user error.
20:55 Elay Gotcha
20:53 cait and linux will be the guest :)
20:53 cait windows is the host
20:52 Elay Windows hosts?
20:52 * jcamins successfully created a Koha test AMI for himself.
20:51 rangi https://www.virtualbox.org/
20:51 cait but that was my fault, it used to work pretty nicely
20:51 cait well... if cait is not messing it up... like she did yesterday :(
20:51 jcamins That's how cait does it.
20:51 rangi that
20:51 jcamins I'd recommend Virtualbox.
20:51 rangi have a linux virtual machine on linux
20:51 cait we are using windows at work, so I have a virtualbox with koha there
20:50 cait I do what? :)
20:50 rangi actually cait does i think
20:50 rangi im pretty much useless for anything to do with windows im afraid
20:49 rangi chris_n: do you do that?
20:49 rangi thats what a lot of people do
20:49 rangi oh, you could put a linux virtualmachine on
20:48 Elay can't I put in a partition and split my drive for a linux side or is that way too hard?
20:48 rangi well maybe not anymore, he did once tho
20:48 jcamins He's a saint!
20:48 jcamins rangi: he does?
20:48 rangi thats why i was wanting to see if owen was around, he uses git in windows .. i don't know how to do that im afraid
20:47 rangi yep
20:46 Elay Can I download the software to a local drive rather than trying to retrieve from server?
20:45 Elay at /home/oftl
20:45 Elay oftl
20:44 rangi pwd will tell where you are
20:44 rangi pwd
20:44 rangi then
20:44 rangi whoami
20:44 rangi type
20:44 Elay damn, I'm lame
20:44 rangi ahh
20:44 Elay whatever sysadmin gave me
20:43 rangi what user to do you login as?
20:43 rangi well dir might work if someone has been nice to you, and aliased it :)
20:43 Elay boot Docs home lib media opt root selinux sys usr vmlinuz
20:43 rangi not dir
20:43 Elay bin dev etc initrd.img lost+found mnt proc sbin srv temp var
20:43 rangi ls
20:43 Elay dir gives me
20:42 Elay ls gives me nothing, so I have no directories?
20:41 rangi cd /where/i/want/to/go
20:41 Elay so would my sysadmin
20:41 rangi Elay: cd
20:41 rangi even
20:41 rangi rain
20:41 rangi so we could edit the patch in situ on the server, but then a plague of sysadmins would reign fire down on me for telling you to do that
20:41 Elay I know that ages me.
20:40 Elay so, question is, I have command prompt, how to I get to directory (DOS days are so far gone)
20:40 rangi cool
20:40 Elay I connect to my server via Putty
20:40 * kathryn waves at cait :)
20:39 rangi so, do you know if on your linux box that you can connect to with putty, if there is a git checkout of koha?
20:39 Elay Love that. I'm putting that on my favorite quotes.
20:39 rangi friends don't let friends use proprietary software ;-)
20:38 Elay Trick is to get to where I need to be
20:38 rangi good person
20:38 Elay My tech support person is weaning me off Windows to linux
20:38 rangi ohh cool
20:38 Elay I've got putty.
20:38 rangi hmm darn owen has gone home
20:38 rangi now the trick is, you use windows eh?
20:38 Elay Hm.
20:37 rangi so the file you want to look at is C4/Templates.pm
20:37 Elay So, I'm really just giving in. Resistance is futile.
20:37 Elay My family all code in various languages, except Perl.
20:37 rangi got your email Elay
20:36 Elay Hi, cait & jcamins
20:36 Elay And now, I want to learn to code so I can play even more...
20:36 cait :)
20:36 cait and morning kathryn
20:36 rangi you can stay then :)
20:36 cait hi Elay
20:35 Elay Can I just say that I LOVE Koha?
20:35 rangi it's a crazy concept!
20:35 rangi hehe
20:35 Elay what, participate?
20:34 rangi now you are on irc, you can join us for meetings and stuff in the future if you want too :)
20:34 jcamins Hi Elay.
20:34 Elay I'm at the StreamNet Library, Portland, Oregon, U.S.
20:34 * rangi is chris c
20:34 rangi Elay = lenora .. say hi everyone who is still awake :)
20:34 rangi heya Elay :)
20:33 Elay Wow. I'm finally here. Sorry for the interruption.
20:32 kathryn and morning all
20:32 kathryn morning rangi :)
20:31 rangi morning kathryn
20:07 rangi Sweet ill email them back when I get to work thanks
20:05 rangi Cool will look
20:05 slef (oonly just sent)
20:05 slef rangi: get my reply?
20:04 rangi Get my email?
20:01 slef rangi: momentarily, bbi30 after that
20:01 rangi slef: around?
19:58 rangi wasaju++
19:56 wizzyrea well thank you :)
19:56 wizzyrea hehe
19:56 cait having a lovely signature? "I geek koha"? being awesome?
19:56 wajasu then maybe one could grab the image, boot it, sync with git master, make fix, test, make git commit, run a kohapatch script to prepare the patch and instruct on how to a) push to bug report, b) send to list serv, etc, also, a script could pull and patch the vm just like sandbox.pl does.
19:56 cait write a good mail? :)
19:53 wizzyrea what'd I do
19:53 wizzyrea what?!
19:52 cait wizzyrea++ :)
19:49 wizzyrea oo, cool.
19:48 wajasu i'm working on a script that builds a libvirt based vm (kvm in my case) for debiansqueeze. as long as you have a bridge already configured to the internet, it will build debiansqueeze(standard+mysql-server+mysql-client+web-server) with no prompts using a preseed.cfg. I'm going to add koha's deb, and later git. the image can be reused as a base image, or hopefully for one-off patch work.
19:48 rangi Thanks
19:46 wizzyrea yes. I will do that
19:45 rangi I suspect this is the choir in here :)
19:44 rangi Can u mail koha-devel
19:43 wizzyrea there's lots of good stuff in there that needs to get in
19:43 wizzyrea peeps - please remember to check on your stuff in failed qa
19:40 cait morning rangi :)
19:40 rangi Morning
19:26 sekjal later, all!
19:26 sekjal ah, well. time to go
19:26 sekjal that's not it
19:26 sekjal there was one circ March 22
19:26 sekjal not yet
19:25 jcamins (yet)
19:25 jcamins sekjal: I'm not sure if the patch was pushed.
19:25 sekjal hmmm… it's not the most recent change to opac-addbybiblionumber.pl
19:22 sekjal I'm on a pretty stark test DB
19:22 sekjal hmmm… could just by my config, I suppose
19:22 jcamins sekjal: it wasn't when I tested marcelr's patch yesterdayish.
19:22 sekjal I'm getting a 404
19:22 sekjal … is "Save to your lists" broken on opac-detail.pl ?
19:10 mbalmer its the same.
19:10 cait lobby?
19:10 jcamins lol
19:09 sekjal argh! Why is there a Unicode character for "pile of poo", but not for a shopping cart?!
19:05 mtompset Goodbye, everyone. Talk with you later.
18:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8164 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Replace IFNULL() with COALESCE() in all database calls
18:53 sekjal working on bug 8164, and that's one of the areas where testing will be needed
18:53 jcamins sekjal: marcelr's been fixing the list permissions slowly but surely to fix that, though.
18:53 sekjal great, thanks jcamins
18:53 jcamins sekjal: right now, yes.
18:52 sekjal I believe they can only be dealt with by the Koha root user… is that true?
18:52 sekjal does anyone recall the latest verdict on management of Lists belonging to deleted users?
18:50 wizzyrea oh, no almost about it. :)
18:50 jcamins ^^ see.
18:50 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:50 jcamins #topic Introductions
18:50 jcamins #introductions
18:50 jcamins #introduction
18:49 wizzyrea he's almost sentient.
18:48 magnuse lol
18:45 wahanui errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit!
18:45 slef wahanui: die!
18:44 wahanui slef: huh?
18:44 slef wahanui: idiot
18:44 wahanui slef: what?
18:44 slef wahanui: como Nicholas Cage en Leaving Las Vegas...
18:44 wahanui slef: sure thing
18:44 slef wahanui: thank you
18:43 wahanui slef: i'm not following you...
18:43 slef wahanui: ta
18:43 wahanui bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
18:43 slef wahanui: bots?
18:43 slef sekjal: | is a pipe, not a bar
18:42 wizzyrea LOOKOUT
18:42 * sekjal is coding in a bar again… everyone watch out!
18:41 sekjal yup
18:41 mtompset Is huginn` a bot too?
18:38 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8172 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing dereference marker for buildQuery parameter in addbooks.pl
18:38 wizzyrea a pretty clever one.
18:38 mtompset Bug 8172 added. :)
18:38 jcamins Yup.
18:37 mtompset is wahanui a bot?
18:34 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
18:34 slef wahanui: manual
18:34 wizzyrea pf I didn't do anything
18:32 Oak jcamins++
18:32 Oak wizzyrea++
18:32 Oak me go now. sleep time.
18:32 wizzyrea just checking.
18:32 wizzyrea k
18:32 jcamins wizzyrea: a patch was submitted for that.
18:31 wizzyrea [Thu May 31 13:42:11 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Thu May 31 13:42:11 2012] detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $countanalytics in numeric gt (>) at /home/liz/kohaclone/catalogue/detail.pl line 256., referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org/cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=915
18:31 wizzyrea also - jcamins- this may interest you
18:31 wizzyrea yep, I found the offending record.
18:30 wizzyrea bc it only happens on one specific query.
18:30 wizzyrea I think it's bad data.
18:30 wizzyrea I'm really wondering if these errors, at least the date one
18:29 Oak hmm.
18:29 kf Oak: :P
18:29 wizzyrea later kf
18:29 jcamins Then I think it went back down.
18:29 Oak bye kf
18:29 jcamins Oak: it was briefly.
18:29 Oak finally
18:29 kf bye all :)
18:29 kf yes
18:29 mtompset Oh sucky! I have to register for bugzilla too?!
18:28 Oak jcamins, is it up now?
18:28 Oak mtompset++
18:28 Oak but still
18:26 mtompset It solves one thing, but not what I was hoping for yet.
18:26 mtompset Anyways...
18:26 mtompset Perhaps...
18:25 mtompset It will dereference incorrectly.
18:25 slef mtompset: without it, the rest of the parameters to buildQuery will be ignored IIRC
18:24 jcamins Oh, it certainly needs the \.
18:24 slef mtompset: line 1038 of /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm does suggest it should have a \ I think
18:23 wizzyrea putting it in doesn't make the error go away
18:22 jcamins Bah. I stuck the apt repo on an old VPS, and apparently a lot of people (including me) decided to hit it at the same time, bringing it down.
18:22 wizzyrea no slash
18:21 mtompset line 75
18:21 wizzyrea yep
18:21 mtompset wizzyrea, could you take a look at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbooks.pl and tell me if there is a \ on the @limits?
18:19 huginn` slef: downloading the Perl source
18:19 slef huginn`: you're a bit useless today.
18:19 huginn` slef: No results for "Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq."
18:19 slef @query Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq
18:19 wizzyrea different query
18:19 mtompset Which probably ties to the same bug...
18:18 wizzyrea and the other error didn't recur.
18:18 wizzyrea not even the same thing!
18:18 wizzyrea interestingly, i also get this one; [Thu May 31 13:31:15 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Thu May 31 13:31:15 2012] addbooks.pl: Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /home/liz/kohaclone/C4/XSLT.pm line 249., referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl?q=addbooks.pl
18:17 huginn` slef: No results for "Illegal date specified."
18:17 slef @query Illegal date specified
18:17 wizzyrea but we deal :)
18:17 wizzyrea (it is both glorious and occasionally frustrating)
18:17 wizzyrea probably not - we get all levels of users reporting bugs.
18:16 mtompset Okay.... I guess the person might not have narrowed it down to addbooks.pl
18:15 wizzyrea too.
18:15 wizzyrea mm, try cataloging search
18:14 mtompset Saw only 7 bugs.
18:14 mtompset I did a search for addbooks.pl
18:14 wizzyrea probably the best plan
18:14 mtompset I'll bug report it.
18:14 wizzyrea I highly doubt it.
18:14 wizzyrea well this is juuuuust beyond 3.8.1
18:14 mtompset Really? Maybe they fixed it in a later version.
18:13 wizzyrea that *could* be bad data.
18:13 wizzyrea but the search works.
18:13 wizzyrea I do however get this one: [Thu May 31 13:25:02 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Thu May 31 13:25:02 2012] addbooks.pl: Illegal date specified (year = 2007, month = 7, day = 00) at /home/liz/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 1656, referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.org/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbooks.pl
18:12 * wizzyrea does not get that one
18:12 mtompset The snowball one.
18:12 wizzyrea what was the error you were seeing
18:12 jcamins mtompset: buildQuery is a rather horrifying routine, alas.
18:12 mtompset buildQuery...
18:11 mtompset Looks ugly, but as you can see the buildQuert code treats indexes, limits, and sort_by the same.
18:11 * wizzyrea checks that on her 3.9 system… sec
18:11 mtompset my @operands = $operands ? @$operands : (); my @limits = $limits ? @$limits : (); my @sort_by = $sort_by ? @$sort_by : ();
18:10 mtompset See the @limits? There's no \ on it.
18:10 mtompset buildQuery(\@operators,\@operands,\@indexes,@limits,\@sort_by,undef,undef);
18:09 mtompset Because the search appears to work for the end user.
18:09 wizzyrea (seriously :))
18:09 wizzyrea oh, that's noble.
18:09 mtompset My goal is to stop error messages from filling the error log.
18:09 mtompset No apparent problem.
18:09 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
18:09 wizzyrea the first question?
18:08 wizzyrea wait what's the actual problem
18:08 mtompset Only the search from Cataloguing.
18:08 mtompset But all the other searches don't trigger the error.
18:08 mtompset You will trigger the error in the error log.
18:07 mtompset Then do a search.
18:07 mtompset If you go to Cataloguing.
18:07 mtompset To think a tiny \ can make a big difference!
18:06 mtompset They both have the same bug
18:06 mtompset I checked 3.8.1 which I'm tinkering with on the side.
18:05 mtompset 3.6.3 is the one being used.
18:05 mtompset I have two versions.
18:05 wizzyrea_away schuster - back now
18:05 jcamins mtompset: weren't you on 3.6.3 about an hour ago?
18:05 jcamins 3.8.1 is the most current on the 3.8.x line, and 3.6.5 is the most current on the 3.6.x line.
18:05 mtompset I've got 3.8.1 -- 3.8.5 is the most current?
18:02 jcamins If it hasn't been, you report a bug for it.
18:02 jwagner http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/
18:02 jwagner Check bugzilla to be sure it hasn't already been reported, and then create a bug report for it
18:02 jcamins Well, first you have to confirm that it hasn't already been fixed.
18:01 mtompset Is there where I mail one of the lists and tell them about it?
18:01 mtompset Hello?
18:00 mtompset There's a typo in addbooks.pl
18:00 mtompset I found it!
18:00 mtompset I couldn't sleep knowing there was a bug.
17:49 Oak :)
17:48 kf Oak++ .)
17:48 kf lol
17:46 Oak of course
17:46 Oak and that too
17:45 magnuse kf: formatts the output of prove nicely as an html page
17:45 Oak kf it sends people home who work too much
17:40 kf magnuse: what does that do?
17:31 * magnuse discovers "prove -m -Q --formatter=TAP::Formatter::HTML"
17:28 mbalmer heh...;)
17:28 kf mbalmer: deserved or not, I need one :)
17:27 jcamins What do you mean, Jenkins build became unstable?
17:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8159 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Error in kohastructure.sql
17:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
17:26 mbalmer is that deserved, kf ;) ?
17:26 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8140 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Error when exporting label xml
17:26 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8159: Fix error in kohastructure.sql
17:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7747 [FOLLOW-UP] Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
17:26 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7747 - Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
17:26 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8140 - [SIGNED-OFF] Error when exporting label xml
17:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #739: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/739/
17:25 mbalmer woa
17:25 Oak fine, you win
17:25 Oak :)
17:25 kf 2 weeks vacation starting next week
17:25 jcamins kf: Oak is right about that.
17:24 Oak things will never end, you know
17:24 kf I know, but still have to do some things
17:23 Oak kf time to go home
17:22 kf slef++ :)
17:21 slef I'll do that in a mo
17:21 Oak :) hm
17:21 Oak let's put the ice cream back in the fridge then
17:21 slef I don't think that was a scam email but... ;)
17:21 Oak ah yes
17:20 slef Oak: when we get the money out...
17:20 * Oak gives slef ice cream
17:19 Oak stop sulking now
17:19 Oak slef++
17:19 kf slef: yay!
17:18 * Oak googles obnam
17:18 liw jcamins, not until tomorrow, I just want to draft the announcement now
17:18 jcamins Ooh, obnam 1.0 is released? Cool!
17:17 liw egh, sorry, wrong channel
17:17 * liw runs: gedit obnam-1.0-announcement.mdwn
17:15 slef jcamins: TimeWorked: 262 minutes
17:14 * jcamins throws a Paypal party.
17:14 jcamins Woohoo!
17:13 schuster wizzyrea_away you back?
17:13 slef "Your PayPal Account Access Has Been Restored"
17:09 mtompset Anyways... have a good day (24 hour period) everyone.
17:09 mtompset Not when the system is being used to get the data current before going live.
17:08 mtompset I don't want to reinstall from scratch.
17:08 mtompset But finding them is going to be a pain.
17:08 mtompset I agree.
17:05 oleonard mtompset: I have a standard install of Ubuntu 12.04 and a by-the-book installation of Koha and I don't have a problem with Snowball. This suggests a problem with dependencies on your machine.
17:02 mtompset Too bad it didn't solve everything, but it gave me some ideas.
17:02 mtompset Thanks for the help and suggestions.
17:02 mtompset Well, I'm off.
16:57 mtompset I would like to know what versions you have.
16:57 mtompset I'm looking at the code.
16:57 mtompset Yes.... and they are Carp and Exporter.
16:56 wizzyrea lingua probably has it's own dependencies that you are missing. they might not be listed in the koha dependencies.
16:55 mbalmer slef, that sounds like I could be available. Thanks for letting me know about it, btw!
16:55 mtompset Perhaps newer versions break it.
16:54 mtompset That's why i'm asking you what versions you have.
16:54 slef mbalmer: 3pm UK I think. The email gives it in US Eastern IIRC.
16:54 wizzyrea sounds like you've got it all figured out.
16:54 mtompset Snowball says Carp and Exporter.
16:54 wizzyrea then it's not listed
16:54 mtompset not CGI::Carp
16:53 wizzyrea CGI::Carp is
16:53 mbalmer slef, I will only join the event on june 6, so june 5 3pm I think I could attend from .ch. 3pm which timezone?
16:53 jcamins slef: awesome!
16:52 mtompset You have to look manually.
16:52 mtompset Carp and Exporter aren't listed there.
16:52 slef jcamins: of course, the list of biblionumber and these classifications is yet another file...
16:51 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/iXqTjlSF
16:51 slef jcamins: yummy :-/
16:51 slef mbalmer: message me your email address if you'd like me to forward it.
16:51 slef mbalmer: I can't do it for various reasons, but I didn't know if it would interest you. No worries if you would rather pay attention to conference.
16:51 slef mbalmer: it'd be in edinburgh. I can forward you the invitation email. It's something silly like 3pm on the 5th June.
16:51 mtompset So, I figure it must be in Carp or Exporter
16:51 mtompset And I can't find the definition of _derive_stemmer in the snowball.
16:51 mtompset Because line 55 has $self->_derive_stemmer
16:50 mtompset Can you tell me your versions of Carp and Exporter?
16:50 mtompset Most are bold.
16:49 mtompset All mine are black.
16:49 wizzyrea then you have a problem.
16:49 wizzyrea basically, if it's red and says "not installed"
16:49 mtompset Do you know what versions you have of those?
16:49 mtompset As do I... I noticed it uses Carp and Exporter.
16:48 jcamins slef: that's probably fullcallnumber, and you need to extract the numeric bit to stick in 082$a.
16:48 wizzyrea .0952
16:48 mbalmer sure. in edinburgh of before?
16:48 mtompset So what version of Lingua::Stem::Snowball do you have?
16:48 mtompset Okay...
16:48 slef mbalmer: do you want to take an hour or two out to do a sip3 teleconference with 3M?
16:47 mbalmer and wahanui is wrong. that one is ballmer, with to l
16:47 jcamins slef: okay, that's fullcallnumber.
16:47 wizzyrea it's not bold.
16:47 mbalmer I will be in Edinburgh next week
16:47 wizzyrea SMS::Send, you don't need for normal koha operation
16:47 mbalmer yes!
16:47 mbalmer slef, yes?
16:46 slef mbalmer: was I talking to you about SIP a while ago?
16:46 wahanui mbalmer is DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!!!
16:46 slef mbalmer?
16:46 wizzyrea for example
16:46 wizzyrea I think required for koha use, and required for specific function
16:46 slef hehe. Examples include "371.9144 TOW" and "Reading age 6-9yrs. Interest level 7-10yrs"
16:46 mtompset What's the difference between bold items and non-bold items, wizzyrea?
16:45 jcamins What do the number look like?
16:44 slef no they don't look like fullcallnumber to me... I'm trying to figure out what to put in fullcallnumber too
16:44 jcamins You're welcome.
16:44 slef ok let me go look at what went in there before... thanks jcamins
16:44 jcamins Of course, it could be that they're using those as the fullcallnumber, too.
16:44 slef heh
16:44 huginn` slef: Classification number (Repeatable)
16:44 slef @marc 082 a
16:44 jcamins I'd guess 082$a.
16:43 slef jcamins: what would be your favourite bet?
16:42 jcamins slef: it depends, but *probably* something else.
16:42 wizzyrea do you have anything missing?
16:42 wizzyrea did you check more -> about -> then click the "perl modules" tab
16:42 slef I've been staring at this too long. When someone says classification number, is that items.fullcallnumber in Koha or something else?
16:41 wizzyrea but then again i have all of my dependencies.
16:41 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8159: Fix error in kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64f933a2faa862c4981491f3ca51cf9082ef4254> / Bug 7747 [FOLLOW-UP] Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f858a6853b17c54799d7d8250d71940d160b5819> / Bug 7747 - Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commi
16:41 wizzyrea weird, I run it on ubuntu and I don't have this problem
16:38 mtompset I think Snowball is being called with an undef parameter, and that causes things to get evil, because there are no undef checks.
16:37 mtompset I think I'll debug the problem later.
16:33 mtompset C4::Search requires the snowball
16:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #739 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:29 mtompset Line 55 is part of the new() method.
16:28 jcamins I think Lingua::Stem::Snowball is there, but one of its dependencies is missing.
16:28 kf or whatever that is called correctly
16:28 kf it looks like you are missing lingua snowball
16:28 jcamins And it said you had everything?
16:28 mtompset I also did the dep check script.
16:27 mtompset I did a grep for use on the pl scripts and did a mass install.
16:27 mtompset I don't think so...
16:27 jcamins Run koha_perl_deps.pl -m
16:27 jcamins mtompset: you are missing some dependencies.
16:27 jcamins And, what version of Ubuntu?
16:27 jcamins You missed a few steps.
16:26 mtompset NOT.
16:26 mtompset Oops... should have included the referer part...
16:25 mtompset I see some error logs.
16:25 mtompset oh sucky!
16:24 mtompset Hmm... co-ordinate with the user an add entry... watch the zebraqueue table.
16:23 jcamins You can check in the zebraqueue table, try and figure out when done is being set to 1.
16:23 mtompset How do I determine where the failure is?
16:23 mtompset Okay.... so it isn't.
16:23 jcamins Right.
16:22 mtompset I'm not talking importing a batch, I'm talking manually adding.
16:22 jcamins Yes.
16:22 mtompset If I add something, shouldn't that get into the zebraqueue somehow, so that -z would pick it up?
16:21 mtompset Isn't -z supposed to be a partial reindex?
16:21 jcamins liw: thanks!
16:21 mtompset But -r is a FULL reindex.
16:20 jcamins Right. -b -a -r is correct.
16:20 mtompset /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
16:20 mtompset and that it remaps -full to ...
16:20 jcamins mtompset: okay.
16:20 mtompset And that I read the script
16:20 mtompset I'm saying the instructions in the FAQ are debian biased.
16:20 mtompset I'm not...
16:19 mtompset /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/
16:19 liw jcamins, "bzr branch http://code.liw.fi/env-liw/bzr/trunk/ env-liw.trunk" should give you something that works for me
16:19 jcamins mtompset: okay, then why were you running koha-rebuild-zebra?
16:19 mtompset AH! I had to //
16:19 mtompset /usr
16:19 mtompset rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r
16:18 mtompset No... I'm running UBUNTU. :)
16:18 jcamins (for that)
16:18 jcamins liw: do you have an example debian/rules file?
16:17 jcamins So in order to rebuild Zebra you are running `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra koha`?
16:17 liw jcamins, I've used empty packages as metapackages, which means there's no files in them, except /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/copyright and changelog.gz
16:17 jcamins There are frequent updates.
16:17 mtompset Which seems to be ancient now. :)
16:17 mtompset yep... wget the latest.
16:16 jcamins mtompset: so you used packages?
16:16 jcamins liw: yes, I'm trying to make a metapackage, and I was wondering if there was any way to have a metapackage with a changelog. It seems like when I add a changelog, it requires a rules file, and I don't want to install anything.
16:15 mtompset the script remaps -full to -b -a -r
16:14 mtompset That's in the DEBIAN scripts.
16:14 mtompset sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v –full `/usr/sbin/koha-list`
16:14 liw jcamins, you called?
16:14 mtompset I read about the zebraqueue being flaky so chose the crontab way of doing it.
16:13 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
16:13 jcamins How did you install Koha, out of curiosity?
16:12 jcamins Okay, that's correct.
16:11 mtompset nothing with a que in it.
16:11 mtompset 3224 ? Ss 0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.kohadata --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=koha koha -- /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 3226 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/zebr
16:11 jcamins If you see anything that looks like zebraqueue, you are.
16:10 jcamins ps ax | grep zeb
16:10 jcamins Did you start it?
16:10 mtompset how do I know I'm not running the zebraqueue daemon?
16:10 mtompset yep, it is.
16:09 jcamins /var/lib/koha/*
16:09 jcamins Everything must be owned by your Koha user.
16:08 mtompset right there... what directory permissions?
16:08 mtompset it is running as the koha user
16:07 mtompset environment variables are fine.
16:07 jcamins Third question from the end.
16:06 jcamins I just did.
16:06 mtompset give me the URL... I probably did.
16:06 jcamins You followed the troubleshooting steps that describe this exact problem?
16:06 kf patches to the documentation are welcome
16:05 mtompset I read the documentation... it is drastically lacking explanation.
16:05 jcamins You should take a look in that document. It's probably a permissions issue.
16:05 mtompset -b -a -r does remove.
16:05 wahanui searching faq is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
16:05 jcamins searching faq?
16:05 mtompset -b -a -z doesn't remove
16:05 mtompset Delete an item...
16:04 mtompset -b -a -r... does show up.
16:04 mtompset -b -a... doesn't show up.
16:04 mtompset I add an item
16:04 mtompset I'm trying to figure out why certain options aren't behaving as expected... perhaps I don't understand the queue or something.
16:04 jcamins mtompset: "Know" is kind of a strong word.
16:03 mtompset Okay... does anyone here know about the mess that is Zebra?
16:02 mtompset Bye. :)
16:01 gaetan_B bye !
16:01 mtompset Okay... this is useful info... now how to save it somewhere to look at.... today. :)
16:00 oleonard use the intranetcolorstylesheet if your stylesheet is on your Koha server. use intranetstylesheet if it's at another URL. use IntranetUserCSS if you want the CSS embedded on each page
15:59 mtompset See if it works... later.
15:59 mtompset I'll try cleaning that up...
15:59 mtompset Because it seemed like some of those sheet were overriding what i was putting into my custom sheet.
15:58 oleonard yes
15:58 mtompset Perhaps... so you are saying that if I put my tweak from the reset-grids.css into the stylesheet that I set up with those system preferences, it will over-ride it?
15:57 oleonard Quickly now will turn into time-consuming later.
15:57 oleonard intranetstylesheet system preference, or IntranetUserCSS system preference
15:56 mtompset I wanted it done quickly. :P
15:56 mtompset I would... if I knew where to easily.
15:55 oleonard mtompset: Why change reset-fonts-grids.css when you can override it with a custom stylesheet?
15:55 mtompset losing blood sugar subscribing to all these lists... ;)
15:52 mtompset That will give me an idea of how much those particular files have changed.
15:51 mtompset That's also why I'm in the midst of setting up 3.8.1 in a VM.
15:51 mtompset and I have the tweaks listed in detail in a file.
15:51 jcamins Well, all I can say is, good luck.
15:50 mtompset 1) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/login.css 2) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/doc-head-close.inc 3) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/header.inc 4) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/yui/reset-fonts-grids.css 5) /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intran
15:50 mtompset I won't forget the tweaks.
15:50 mtompset I've been told that SAML 2.0 is it, and there is no discussion.
15:50 kf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Authentication_Service
15:50 mtompset No... CAS isn't an option.
15:49 kf and it might be that you can get it indirectly working with shibboleth that way but not sure
15:49 kf I think you could perhaps use CAS
15:48 jcamins (the earliest release that could possibly have shibboleth would be 3.10... you'll have forgotten what tweaks you made, and the Koha files will have changed greatly in between 3.6.3 and 3.10)
15:48 mtompset I'm also looking at zxid
15:48 kf mtompset: we really not try to make this hard for you - we try to tell you how it will be easier
15:47 jcamins You'll learn real fast how painful upgrades can be if you really want shibboleth.
15:47 jcamins In that case, learn to use git.
15:47 mtompset I'd like to keep my learning curve less acute. :)
15:46 jcamins mtompset: never too late to learn.
15:46 mtompset Haven't used git before, nor koha, nor a lot of the technologies involved in this beautiful mess. :)
15:45 oleonard With version control you have the possibility of having git automatically merge your customizations upon upgrade
15:44 mtompset So if we do upgrade, it shouldn't be too hard.
15:44 mtompset I documented my tweaks.
15:44 kf in my opinion
15:44 mtompset Though I did like the ability to add CSS'.
15:44 kf mtompset: I was afraid you woudl say that - but it's never a good idea
15:43 kf not sure what you did, but it might be worth doing some research to save lot sof time and nerves later on
15:43 mtompset I had to edit existing files.
15:43 kf there are lots of options to style things without making updating a pain
15:43 oleonard Actually using version control is for *not* busting style things
15:43 kf if it's already annoying with such a small update, you will run into major problems later
15:42 mtompset Nah, because that would bust the style things. :P
15:42 kf mtompset: yes, updating to 3.6.5 would make sense
15:42 jcamins You might want to read that document if you haven't already.
15:42 jcamins There we go.
15:42 wahanui i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
15:42 jcamins git?
15:42 jcamins koha version control?
15:42 jcamins version control with git?
15:42 mtompset To make it "fit" our things.
15:42 jcamins mtompset: you know, you could just upgrade the entire system.
15:42 mtompset Tweaked a bunch of styling things.
15:41 mtompset Though I patched the login with 3.6.4
15:41 mtompset 3.6.3
15:41 kf which version did you install?
15:41 * jcamins is from the US- New York.
15:41 kf Germany
15:40 mtompset And you?
15:40 mtompset PH
15:40 kf mtompset: where are you located?
15:39 mtompset At least one question got answered. ;)
15:39 jcamins ^^ there we go. :)
15:39 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
15:39 jcamins mailing lists?
15:39 wahanui i think support is found at http://koha-community.org/support/
15:39 jcamins Support.
15:38 mtompset okay... on main page... where is the "yes, bombard me with lots of mail that I'll mostly mark as read"?
15:38 clrh ook kf you have the same meaning
15:38 clrh for me snif is like "crying" / be sad
15:38 kf clrh: I wish too jcamins would be there
15:37 * kf joins clrh in sniffing
15:37 jcamins But you do need to subscribe to the mailing lists.
15:37 jcamins mtompset: actually, developing with Koha is pretty easy.
15:37 jcamins clrh: mtompset was wondering about it. I'll see the update to Bugzilla. :)
15:37 clrh snif ok I will remember that I have to tell you when we will submit a patch
15:36 mtompset tell me about it, jcamins. :)
15:36 jcamins I'll be presenting via the Internet.
15:36 jcamins clrh: unfortunately not. :(
15:36 jcamins mtompset: installing Koha is one thing. Doing development with it is something else.
15:36 clrh jcamins: will I see you at edimbourg?
15:36 clrh but I remmeber it was a really "hard thing" to setup architecture (sysop ionfrastructure !?) don't know the god work
15:35 mtompset actually, the wiki was good enough for our base install.
15:35 clrh jcamins: we did a first work and I am waiting for customer test installation to validate it
15:34 kf mtompset: when you are working with Koha the mailing list is a must have :)
15:34 mtompset Or I could leave a message on their blog. I just don't like signing in and subscribing to things left right and center. :)
15:32 jcamins That way when dpavlin isn't away he can respond. :)
15:32 mtompset It's an protocol definition of how to authenticate and give access to services. At least that's my take on it.
15:32 jcamins It might be worth sending an e-mail to koha-devel.
15:32 jcamins Since I have no idea what SAML is (even after skimming Wikipedia), I can't really help you, sorry.
15:30 mtompset points at pieces, but I'm not sure I understand how the patchwork works.
15:30 mtompset Well, dpavlin's blog http://blog.rot13.org/2011/06/saml2-sp-with-perl-webapp.html
15:30 jcamins clrh: you don't have a schedule for shibboleth integration, do you?
15:29 jcamins Estimated Time of Arrival.
15:29 jcamins mtompset: no.
15:29 kf ETA?
15:29 mtompset Is there any ETAs?
15:29 kf they were...
15:29 jcamins mtompset: dpavlin may know something about it, then.
15:29 kf I think jcamins is right, biblibre said there were working on shibboleth integration with Koha.
15:29 mtompset I suspect that is dpavlin_away right now.
15:28 mtompset I also found Dobrica Pavlinušić's blog.
15:28 jcamins mtompset: a quick wikipedia search on SAML suggests that any work there is on it would be in BibLibre's work on shibboleth, but I've certainly never heard of it before.
15:27 mtompset But other than that, nothing seems to be out there.
15:26 mtompset I found a thread on some mailing list from March.
15:26 mtompset I thought that perhaps an interactive community might have a better chance at pointing me to SAML 2.0 integration with Koha. :)
15:25 oleonard Hi mtompset do you have a question?
15:25 mtompset Hello?
15:20 clrh_ ?
15:11 jcamins liw: around?
14:50 Oak funny
14:41 jcamins He's asleep in his box top (with a tissue paper mattress... what a spoiled cat), and every few minutes he wakes up enough to very theatrically roll around on his back and look at me accusingly before nodding off again.
14:41 jcamins Must be.
14:40 magnuse isn't it?
14:35 jcamins Especially if it openid is a code word for "tummy scratching."
14:35 * jcamins thinks Myshkin approves as well.
14:30 magnuse openid++
14:08 jcamins That would make sense.
14:08 wizzyrea that solution would require no further work on WordPress.
14:07 wizzyrea then you could just use OpenID
14:07 wizzyrea actually, it would be cool if you could make Koha an OpenID endpoint
14:07 jcamins Interesting.
14:07 wizzyrea and keep only one username
14:07 wizzyrea for say, databases.
14:07 wizzyrea so that you can have patron only password protected areas of your website
14:06 jcamins wizzyrea: why?
14:06 * wizzyrea ducks
14:06 wizzyrea "anybody ever tried to use SIP authentication with WordPress?"
14:06 wizzyrea well here's your mad scheme of the day
13:56 Oak jcamins++
13:55 jcamins It is now working. :)
13:54 jcamins Misplaced IF.
13:54 jcamins Mystery solved.
13:53 jcamins Odd... the javascript doesn't seem to be showing up.
13:52 jcamins Heh.
13:51 wizzyrea and bug free.
13:51 wizzyrea or they didn't, and zebra is just that awesome
13:51 jcamins But then I decided they probably did more and just didn't feel like writing release notes.
13:51 jcamins And thought "is that really all they did?"
13:51 wizzyrea oh that was for everyone else :P
13:51 wizzyrea that's it
13:51 jcamins I know. I saw the e-mail.
13:51 wizzyrea Fix problem in dictionary due to increase max size of term.
13:51 wizzyrea Fix buffer overrun for terms using ICU normalization.
13:51 wizzyrea Increase max size of indexing term from 256 to 512.
13:51 wizzyrea um, thre are only 3 listed in the email
13:50 jcamins I _did_ think that very thing, though.
13:50 jcamins wizzyrea: presumably there are more differences?
13:50 jcamins lol
13:50 wizzyrea 3 whole changes. They are ambitious.
13:50 jcamins ... like the one I just found.
13:49 oleonard jcamins: That's usually the problem ;)
13:49 jcamins wizzyrea: yeah, I saw that.
13:49 jcamins Before I show it to you, I think I'd better check that I'm not making any embarrassing mistakes in it.
13:49 wizzyrea oh there's a new zebra version
13:49 oleonard I'd be happy to check the markup if that would help
13:47 jcamins Yes.
13:47 oleonard jcamins: You're trying to do the tabs plugin?
13:47 jcamins That's progress.
13:47 jcamins Okay, it's no longer removing the <ul> and <li> tags.
13:46 oleonard "In that I stopped reading after that"
13:46 oleonard "You had me at root"
13:45 wizzyrea and good morning
13:45 wizzyrea I think you said "root" and he thought "/"
13:42 jcamins Hm. the tabber is removing the <ul> and <li> elements, and not doing anything else.
13:26 umer couldnt find it in root. thanks for the link
13:25 jcamins umer: it should be in the root directory, but you can also find it online here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian;h=2c41201138e5dcabf0a06d21cda3df632474469d;hb=HEAD
13:25 oleonard umer it's in the root directory of your Koha installation
13:24 umer couldnt find INSTALL.debian .. could u please guide me the path to this file
13:24 * jcamins was going to file a bug saying that the MARC view is hidden.
13:24 oleonard You could just as easily argue that the MARC view is "hidden" because there's a separate link for it
13:23 jcamins Ah.
13:23 jcamins Why?
13:23 oleonard 5XX fields aren't hidden there, they just GO THERE.
13:23 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8170 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , 5XX fields get hidden under Title notes
13:23 oleonard But that reminds me to be grumpy about Bug 8170
13:23 jcamins I am designing a details view for authorities.
13:22 * oleonard doesn't understand
13:22 jcamins That makes it more like the bib details.
13:22 oleonard Not that that looks great.
13:22 jcamins Actually, what might be better is to set up a tabbed bit, and then just have one tab.
13:22 oleonard If it's instructions for a form we sometimes offset it on the right, like on the list add page
13:21 oleonard jcamins: I don't think there is an existing model for that yet, so you can do what you think works best
13:19 jcamins I want to set them off a little bit from the rest of the text.
13:19 jcamins Authority notes.
13:19 oleonard What's the context?
13:18 jcamins I know about fieldset and legend, but the box in question contains only text.
13:18 jcamins oleonard: do you know of a way to produce a box with a caption-y looking thing outside of a form?
13:17 umer ok.. thankyou
13:17 jcamins If you look in INSTALL.debian, it has instructions for upgrading.
13:16 umer oh.. i am using 3.02. is there some way that i can update it to the latest one?
13:15 jcamins umer: that feature was added in version 3.8.
13:14 umer ok one more thing. by default koha provides the functionality of calculating fines base upon days. is there some way that we could calculate fines on hourly basis?
13:06 umer ahhan.. okay.. i ll look into it. thanks a lot
13:06 jcamins ^^ that might be useful. It has scripts for a lot of migration tasks.
13:06 jcamins Koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
13:05 jcamins Koha migration toolbox?
13:05 jcamins You'll probably need to write a script to read the data from the spreadsheet and insert it directly into the Koha database.
13:05 umer just circulation data
13:05 umer yes yes you got it right
13:04 jcamins Oh, I see. You mean *just* circulation data.
13:04 umer now what i want to do is, there was an old system, which has information like which book was issued to which patron and is still not checked in, which patron has how much fines etc
13:04 umer no.. i have marc files, it has data related to records and items. i have imported the items and records into koha. this is working fine.
13:02 jcamins umer: you will have to convert the file into MARC.
13:00 umer any idea?
13:00 umer a complete excel file of this data
13:00 umer how can we import data from some excel file into koha. i know how to import patrons, i do have idea how to import catalogs and items. but if my data is like (petron abc has item xyz issued from library)
12:58 umer i need a bit of ur help
12:58 umer Hi, every one. i am new to this channel and KOHA as well. i have understood many things regarding koha and still in the phase of learning.
12:58 paul_p )
12:58 paul_p jcamins = just in case= I just pushed another patch (with doc and a commented line that should not be=
12:47 jcamins paul_p++
12:47 jcamins :)
12:45 paul_p jcamins yep
12:45 jcamins paul_p: did you push the changes to add sign off?
12:39 paul_p jcamins = sandbox2.sql.gz on contrib/global/sandbox has been upgraded to 3.8.0 and his size reduced to 5k biblio (instead of 20k)
11:57 oleonard Hi #koha
11:56 slef BobB: OK, thanks for trying. I'll make a note.
11:48 huginn` BobB: The operation succeeded.
11:48 BobB @later tell slef BobB cannot organise the band for KohaCon - members are dispersed on relevant nights. Sorry.
11:45 BobB hi slef
11:06 drojf slef: http://www.yourrights.org.uk/yourrights/the-right-of-peaceful-protest/index.html looks promising, i'll have a closer look later
11:04 slef biab
11:03 slef $headings is the first line of the CSV of course
11:02 jcamins Ah.
11:01 slef jcamins: ah no, I'm loading a CSV into the items table with a perl script and the C4 API
11:01 jcamins slef: your example of how to keep Perl interesting looked like it might be a modification of C4::Heading.
10:59 slef jcamins: no more than usual. In what way?
10:59 jcamins_away slef: are you doing something with authorities?
10:56 slef drojf: shame. Any "how to do a UK demo" and any volunteers to organise it?
10:37 * drojf tries to pull zioha out of the revolving door
10:31 drojf unfortunately not https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=214917285437566492834.0004bf01e005a41a2f7fa&msa=0&ll=51.096623,12.260742&spn=24.452056,67.631836
10:31 slef any in Edinburgh?
10:29 drojf found a different google map at edri which has 10 uk events. not all is lost ;)
10:28 drojf heh. i never understood why they all use fb for that but it lead to 10000 people in berlin at -17° the last time i went so i try to accept it anyway
10:25 slef or they're distracted by the monarchy going "ooh look at the pretty things, have some holiday, good peasants"
10:25 slef yeah fb doesn't seem the natural place to organise against surveillance
10:12 drojf 54. wow. either uk folks are really not interested in acta or don't use facebook for that.
10:11 drojf 54 people going according to fb. if we have a public anti acta hackfest day we woudl be 38 already ;)
10:10 slef I suspect whether there will be people for 8 hours depends on what the police do...
10:10 slef I don't know what it takes to register a demonstration here. I've never registered one ;-)
10:09 drojf i doubt there will really be people for 8 hours
10:09 drojf Glasgow 9. 6. 2012 12:00--20:00 in UTC+01
10:05 drojf what does it take to register a demonstration in uk? ;)
10:05 drojf glasgow and london on the related google map
10:04 slef EDRI.org may have links too
10:04 slef the facebook page was public-viewable
10:03 drojf just looking for something non-facebookish ;)
10:03 slef Glasgow is a bit far for a lunchtime trip
10:03 slef drojf: last I saw, the nearest was Glasgow about 1h away by train. There is a google map linked from their facebook page if you want to check it and let me know ;)
10:02 drojf hi slef. do you know if there is an acta demonstration in edinburgh on 9.6.? i think it's a global (european) action day
10:00 slef hi
10:00 drojf good day #koha
09:53 slef every so often I get bored with writing perl and then I write something like map { $column->{$headings->[$_]} = $_ } (0..@{$headings}); and smile when it works.
08:23 slef stuartyeates: I've a nice sideline using the co-op to campaign for relaxing banking security... although I'm not doing that with paypal because I think I have too much money and not enough time there.
08:22 asaurat i was talking about the NZ ;)
08:21 slef ;)
08:21 slef asaurat: lazy. I've been here 80mins already.
08:21 slef stuartyeates: Great. And the reaction is to make the banking system more secure by stopping everyone being able to use it for anything.
08:21 asaurat it's business time!
08:20 rangi yay us!
08:19 stuartyeates apparently it's too easy to set up a company here electronically and so people have been using us as money laudering transit point
08:18 stuartyeates slef: the NZ-EU situation has changed in the last month, we've been dropped from an approved list
08:18 rangi wouldnt be free, but in the region of 20cents
08:18 slef rangi: if you have free domestic transfers, I can probably get access to an NZ bank account pretty simply.
08:16 slef just in case anyone cares, international transfers in the UK are under £10 and US is $20-$40... bizarrely, I'm pretty sure transfers from most of the EU to us cost nothing as long as they're sent in Euros, thanks to the EU
08:15 rangi david from catalyst eu will be at the conference so we can have a chat and figure it out
08:13 rangi probably, and no idea
08:13 slef rangi: if needed, do you think you or catalyst could collect the other NZ donations into it? And any idea what ballpark the transfer charge is?
08:07 rangi im assuming of course that we must have to do money transfers to them from time to time
08:07 rangi ie, get catalyst nz, to transfer to catalyst eu in the uk, and get it to you from there
08:06 rangi however, i could talk to work, it might be that we can somehow use catalyst eu
08:06 rangi they do charge like a wounded bull for it
08:05 rangi naw we can do etransfers
08:04 * magnuse thinks slef is too lenient
08:04 * slef sulks at paypal
08:04 slef What about NZ? Can you wire transfer to UK or use e-wallets or are we begging paper cheques from there too?
08:03 rangi yep, laurels parents have done that to us before too
08:02 slef We've done that from the far east in the past.
08:02 slef mailing cheques internationally? Yeah, that's true
08:02 rangi cheques work, they just take a long long time to clear
08:01 slef If Paypal do their worst, any ideas how we can collect the donations from the USA without them? Wire transfers are very expensive, even US-US which I could set up.
08:01 rangi ill ask david up at waikato too
08:01 rangi right
08:00 stuartyeates but i'm only seeing one part of the consortia, so that may not be an accurate description of the state of play
08:00 rangi totally doable :)
08:00 rangi ah yep
08:00 stuartyeates from what i can tell we'll looking for a 100% hosted outsourced solution
07:59 stuartyeates last interation they decided that all the real offerings were vaporware, but everyone else seems to be heading in the alma direction
07:58 rangi happy to do a demo/presentation any time if that would be useful
07:57 rangi excellent
07:57 stuartyeates rangi: thanks for the hints earlier today. we're having another crack at picking an LMS in October
07:48 magnuse kia ora rangi
07:48 Oak_ evening rangi
07:47 rangi evening
07:44 Oak_ okay
07:44 Oak_ hmm :)
07:44 hdl Oak_: at the time Paul and I worked, we worked as consultants.
07:42 Oak_ i mean i don't have a library job at the moment
07:42 Oak_ yes, probably because you all have jobs... and this is my MLIS project, and it would be better if people knew who did the work? no?
07:41 hdl it is not something we usually do.
07:41 Oak_ hmm
07:41 paul_p good morning #koha
07:41 hdl But you also could add something to the about page.
07:40 hdl oak there is an opaccredits sys pref iirc
07:39 Oak_ like, Deployed by --- or Implemented by --- ? or what? any ideas? or should I add a 'Credits' link in footer and add names of all the people who helped me. that sound better actually.
07:37 Oak_ how do i give myself credit for the Koha deployment and customization I did... in footer area of my opac? what words do I use?
07:31 Oak_ it is :)
07:31 magnuse sounds like fun... ;-)
07:30 Oak_ electricity playing hide and seek
07:29 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:28 marcelr hi magnuse francharb
07:25 Oak :-)
07:25 magnuse yay! ;-)
07:25 Oak magnuse
07:25 magnuse Oak
07:23 * magnuse buries magnus_afk and waves at #koha
07:20 francharb hi
07:19 marcelr hi kf Oak
07:17 Oak good morning kf :)
07:14 kf good morning #koha
07:06 Oak \o
07:05 wahanui OK, slef.
07:05 slef wahanui: up is the sky
07:04 wahanui what's up, slef
07:04 slef hello
07:04 marcelr hello koha
06:53 Joubu hi all
06:49 julian_m hi #koha
06:42 cait bbl
06:41 cait next week! :D
06:41 cait hi alex_a
06:31 alex_a bonjour
05:01 Oak hello :)
05:00 cait hello :)
05:00 eythian hello
04:55 Oak Ahoy cait
04:55 cait hi Oak
04:54 Oak kia ora #koha
04:41 cait morning #koha
02:24 rangi but up
02:24 rangi hmm slow for me
02:22 jcamins_away chilts: thanks.
02:22 chilts both the website and the git clone are fine for me
02:20 jcamins_away really slow/down?
02:19 jcamins_away git.k-c.org really slow for anyone else?
01:51 rangi yeah, they can be tricky to use
01:51 rangi heh
01:50 jcamins_away Phone keyboard.
01:50 jcamins_away Sorry.
01:49 jcamins_away u
01:49 jcamins_away y
01:28 eythian nope, it's 1:26pm here
01:27 Judit :)afternoon? you already left?
01:26 eythian Judit: afternoon
00:09 Judit morning