Time  Nick         Message
00:06 BobB         @seen mtj
00:06 huginn`      BobB: mtj was last seen in #koha 2 days, 18 hours, 25 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <mtj> pings ok, so just slow :)
00:16 rangi        afternoon
00:42 mib_wz9t1u   wow, this is cool. i am looking for help installing koha on windows 7. i downloaded the .zip file, but am not sure which steps to take next
00:45 rangi        the windows version is really really really old, and totally unsupported
00:45 rangi        its probably best if you have to install it on windows to run it under vmware (or something similar) as a virtual machine
00:48 mib_wz9t1u   ok, not sure what that is, perhaps too complicated for me. i also tried to install via ubuntu, but i know nothing about linux, so that proved to be too complicated for me as well. it looked liked via windows would be easier, with loss of functionality of z3950, but i was willing to forego, just to experiment
00:50 eythian      windows is not likely to be easier.
00:50 mib_wz9t1u   ok, well i appreciate the info, thank you
00:50 jcamins      Definitely won't be easier.
00:51 jcamins      Much, much harder.
00:51 jcamins      Because no one will be able to help you at all.
00:53 mib_wz9t1u   guess I'll just have to learn more about linux then
00:54 mib_wz9t1u   i was following the instructions on http://everydaytechy.blogspot.com/2010/05/install-koha-30000-on-ubuntu-910.html
00:55 mib_wz9t1u   anyone know of anything better for a true beginner?
00:56 jcamins      mib_wz9t1u: yes, follow the current instructions, not instructions that are several years old and for a different version of Koha.
00:57 jcamins      packages?
00:57 wahanui      packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
00:57 jcamins      ^^ use that
00:57 rangi        mib_wz9t1u: the INSTALL.debian or INSTALL.ubuntu file that comes with koha, or using the packages
00:57 jcamins      Use the packages.
00:58 eythian      , luke.
01:04 mib_wz9t1u   ok, i looked at this page once, i will look again, i was not sure about debian vs. ubuntu at the time
01:04 mib_wz9t1u   thanks e1
05:26 mib_cvo04c   Hey guys is there any word about getting a PDF version of the Koha manual?
05:54 cait         good morning #koha
05:55 eythian      hi cait
05:55 cait         hi eythian
06:07 mib_cvo04c   Hey guys is there any word about getting a PDF version of the Koha manual?
06:10 mib_cvo04c   I've tried making my own using the git source but it really doesn't look nice (layout/size of images is wrong - images dont even appear with docbook2pdf)
06:50 julian_m     hello
06:50 wahanui      hola, julian_m
07:11 francharb    good moring
07:37 * cait       waves
07:37 cait         no holiday in France today?
07:38 alex_a       cait: no :(
07:39 cait         oh :(
07:39 * cait       sends cookies
07:41 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7846 - get_batch_summary massive speedup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5baa35ad3b33ec1cc0dea906fe369eb74366d131> / Bug 7926: Acq search results show empty () for orders without basket group <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2f837bafee0d09a890171f4b0cd27efa5a0e3670> / Bug 7980: [SIGNED-OFF] Group search results tag input with other actions <http://git.koh
07:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #735 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
07:48 cait         bonjour paul_p
07:49 paul_p       hi cait !
07:50 paul_p       "semi-closed day" here in France today, half of BibLibre working, the other half not working
07:50 * cait       is working on her distance study course... but would prefer to work on Koha
08:02 matts        it's a holiday in germany ?
08:02 cait         @wunder Konstanz
08:02 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (10:00 AM CEST on May 28, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:02 cait         matts: yes
08:03 cait         matts: not at work today, but back at work tomorrow
08:03 matts        okay... Like it used to be for us... :\
08:03 paul_p       recovering from too much drinking on sunday :D
08:03 cait         no drinking for me :)
08:04 cait         but counting the days until KohaCon - when will Biblibre arrive in Edinburgh?
08:04 paul_p       matts = in fact, today is a closed day again. Except you must work "for free" another day of the year, or dedicate a holiday day to fund the.
08:04 paul_p       cait monday, 4PM
08:04 cait         oh
08:04 cait         I arrive like that too
08:05 cait         are you flying directly?
08:05 cait         15:55 is my exact arrival time, zürich - amsterdam - edinburgh
08:05 paul_p       12:00
08:05 paul_p       Marseille, Provence (MRS) - France  -  Terminal  3
08:05 paul_p
08:05 paul_p       14:00
08:05 paul_p       Amsterdam, Schiphol (AMS) - Pays Bas
08:06 paul_p       15:30
08:06 paul_p       Amsterdam, Schiphol (AMS) - Pays Bas
08:06 paul_p
08:06 cait         lol
08:06 paul_p       15:55
08:06 paul_p       Edimbourg, Edinburgh (EDI) - Royaume Uni
08:06 cait         I think we are on the same flight from amsterdam!
08:06 paul_p       yep !
08:06 cait         nice :)
08:06 matts        my flight is a lot later...
08:06 cait         rangi and eythian are arriving later that day too
08:07 paul_p       really ? they arrive from NZ just 1 day before the conf ? wow, they'll be dramatically jetlagged !
08:07 cait         I hope they will get some sleep on the planes
08:08 cait         they arrive around 4 hours later than we do
08:09 cait         which hotel are you staying at? mine is Cairn
08:10 paul_p       cait StayEdinburgh - West End Apartments
08:10 paul_p       11 Brandfield Street Haymarket
08:10 paul_p       Edinburgh
08:10 wahanui      hmmm... Edinburgh is for sure now
08:10 cait         we started a little table here (bottom of the page) http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers
08:11 cait         hi BobB :)
08:11 cait         we were just discussing arrival times and hotels in Edinburgh - you and Irma will be there too, right?
08:12 BobB         hi cait  :)
08:12 BobB         yes we'll be there.  We're arriving on Tuesday morning - just in time!
08:13 BobB         Staying at Edinburgh City Hotel, not too far from the venue we think.
08:13 cait         BobB: we started a little table here to help people meeting up: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers
08:13 paul_p       cait page filled for us
08:13 BobB         cool, I'll check it out.
08:13 cait         cool :)
08:13 cait         looking forward to see you all in person again :)
08:13 cait         and hopefully finish this course in time..., so can go back to concentrate on Koha things more
08:13 BobB         See you there!  Will be great to catch up again.
08:13 cait         the deadline is right after kohacon
08:19 * cait       will stop complaining now and goes back to reading
08:26 cait         @quote random
08:26 huginn`      cait: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011)
08:26 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn`.
08:29 libttc       hi wondering if anyone is aware of how to get koha backup on things such as the catalog
08:35 cait         first question?
08:35 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
08:36 cait         libttc: if you want to do backups for your installation you can dump the database - it has all information and you can rebuild the zebra indexes. If you have local changes, you might want to backup more files.
08:42 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #735: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/735/
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8124 - Hide option to download results of items with no checkouts report
08:42 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5795 [SIGNED-OFF] - Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
08:42 jenkins_koha * amit.gupta: Bug 5795 Update the database as follow-up If sys pref
08:42 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 5795 follow-up, DBRev number
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8124 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Hide option to download results of items with no checkouts report
08:42 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: Bug 8040: bad name in acquisitions-menu
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7889 - Use standard style for errors and messages
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7889 [Authorities duplicates] Use standard style for errors and messages
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7889 [Search errors] Use standard style for errors and messages
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7889 [Acquisitions] Use standard style for errors and messages
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5795 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8040 minor, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , a menu misnamed in budgets
08:42 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 8009: Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl
08:42 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8009: Followup Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7889 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use standard style for errors and messages
08:42 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [4]
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8009 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl
08:42 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5345: DataTables integration in acquisition module [4]
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8107 - Disabled buttons not distinguishable from enabled buttons
08:42 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8080 - login and password is pre-filled by the browser when creating a new patron
08:42 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7980: [SIGNED-OFF] Group search results tag input with other actions
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , DataTables in Koha
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8107 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Disabled buttons not distinguishable from enabled buttons.
08:42 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7926: Acq search results show empty () for orders without basket group
08:42 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7846 - get_batch_summary massive speedup
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8080 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , login and password is pre-filled by the browser when creating a new patron
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7980 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Group search results tag input with other actions
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Acq search results show empty parenthesis for orders without basket group
08:42 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7846 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , get_batch_summary reimplements GROUP BY in perl code
08:51 Oak          \o
08:52 Oak          davidnind++
08:52 cait         hi Oak
08:52 Oak          hello cait :)
08:52 Oak          time to head to office ?
08:52 cait         holiday here today - working on my homework
08:53 Oak          good
08:54 Oak          homework or assignments?
08:54 Oak          ;)
08:55 cait         hm, what's the difference?
08:55 Oak          when we were in school, we were given homework by our teachers.
08:55 Oak          when we are in college, university, we are given assignments by professors
08:55 Oak          just kidding of course
08:56 cait         :)
08:56 Oak          i'm not that funny any more
08:56 slef         Oak: who gave you assignations?
08:56 cait         hi slef
08:56 cait         :)
08:56 * Oak        googles  assignations
08:56 slef         hi cait
08:56 Oak          hello slef
08:57 Oak          Assignations: "An appointment to meet someone in secret, typically one made by lovers."
08:57 Oak          hmmm
08:57 Oak          now *that* is funny.
08:57 libttc       well there is the need to backup all the catalog information just in case things do not go as expected
08:57 cait         libttc: did you see what I wrote earlier? about dumping the database?
08:57 libttc       is there a way of backing up the data in the catalog?
08:58 Oak          @seen oleanard
08:58 huginn`      Oak: I have not seen oleanard.
08:58 Oak          @seen oleonard
08:58 huginn`      Oak: oleonard was last seen in #koha 2 days, 16 hours, 58 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <oleonard> Have a good weekend everyone
08:59 libttc       yes i have tried the dumping but i noticed that it is only getting the database structure and the main settings, not the data in the db as in stuff such as books entered.
09:00 slef         libttc: the books should be in the biblio, items and biblioitems tables.
09:00 cait_afk     if you do a correct dump, all data will be in there
09:00 cait_afk     not only the structure
09:00 cait_afk     now really afk :)
09:08 libttc       thanks . it worked
09:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #27 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #27: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/27/
10:40 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8124 - Hide option to download results of items with no checkouts report
10:40 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8124 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Hide option to download results of items with no checkouts report
10:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #28 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
11:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #28: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/28/
11:34 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5795 [SIGNED-OFF] - Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
11:34 jenkins_koha * amit.gupta: Bug 5795 Update the database as follow-up If sys pref
11:34 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5795 : Updating version number
11:34 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: Bug 8040: bad name in acquisitions-menu
11:34 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8107 - Disabled buttons not distinguishable from enabled buttons
11:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5795 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
11:34 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 8080 - login and password is pre-filled by the browser when creating a new patron
11:34 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7926: Acq search results show empty () for orders without basket group
11:34 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8040 minor, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Stable , a menu misnamed in budgets
11:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8107 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Disabled buttons not distinguishable from enabled buttons.
11:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8080 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , login and password is pre-filled by the browser when creating a new patron
11:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Acq search results show empty parenthesis for orders without basket group
12:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #736 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:05 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: bug_8056: sorted out slip print calls <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=722ca127dd0aaf0646001594ebbece18c75d12b1> / Bug 7792 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7094ea5af32ccc8fc8fad4fc0916486f1c9cfc7a> / Bug 7792:redefine the field branchcode as PRIMARY KEY of branches <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=838269d
12:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #29 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #736: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/736/
13:05 jenkins_koha * oleonard: ug 8078 [REVISED] my summary showing contents of incorrect tab
13:05 jenkins_koha * simon.story: Bug 6684: Fixes to koha-remove
13:05 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to the 182th commiter !
13:05 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8014 - On the patron entry form hide "restricted until" field if "Restricted: No" is checked
13:05 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: Bug 7794:redefine the field id as PRIMARY KEY of sessions
13:05 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7794: follow-up DBRev number + removing UNIQUE index that is now useless
13:05 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6684 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , koha-remove should check the number of arguments it gets
13:05 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7792:redefine the field branchcode as PRIMARY KEY of branches
13:05 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7792 follow-up DBRev number
13:05 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_8056: sorted out slip print calls
13:05 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8014 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , On the patron entry form hide "restricted until" field if "Restricted: No" is checked
13:05 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , redefine the field id as PRIMARY KEY of sessions
13:05 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7792 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Passed QA , redefine the field branchcode as PRIMARY KEY of branches
13:10 Barrc        Is there anyone around driving to Kohacon? just wondering about parking?
13:10 jcamins_away Barrc: parking is going to be very unpleasant.
13:10 Barrc        uh oh.......
13:11 jcamins      I won't be there, but the location where it is has very little parking.
13:11 Barrc        why? is there nowhere near the university for driving folk?
13:12 jcamins      I'm pretty sure the lot near Teviot isn't open to the public.
13:14 Barrc        Thanks - that puts me in a ticky spot so!!, I'll need to park and ride somewhere so!
13:18 cait_afk     perhaps there are park and ride options?
13:18 cait_afk     Barrc: where are you from?
13:19 jcamins      Barrc: how far are you willing to walk?
13:19 jcamins      I'm operating under the assumption that the reason you're planning on driving is that mobility is a challenge.
13:20 jcamins      There's parking at Buccleuch (sp?) which was open to the public.
13:21 jcamins      You should also check with mle. It could be that he's able to get you a parking permit.
13:22 jcamins      I am basing my information on what I saw from being a student.
13:22 cait_afk     mle_ or slef might know
13:30 Barrc        Thanks - I was just thrawling through maps trying to find a close one - £29 per day is fairly steep too!
13:46 jcamins      paul_p: do you know how to add dependencies?
13:47 jcamins      That's why I didn't do it before... I have no idea where to add them.
13:47 paul_p       hi jcamins. I'm digging, but not sure I know (maybe something for a new wiki page ;-) )
13:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #29: SUCCESS in 1 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/29/
13:47 jenkins_koha * simon.story: Bug 6684: Fixes to koha-remove
13:47 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Welcome to the 182th commiter !
13:47 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6684 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , koha-remove should check the number of arguments it gets
13:48 jcamins      Ooh, chris_n did it for 7977.
13:48 jcamins      I'll just copy his code. :)
13:48 cait_afk     :)
13:48 cait_afk     was about to point you to that bug :)
13:48 paul_p       jcamins = C4::Installer::PerlDependancies.pm
13:49 jcamins      Are these in any order at all?
13:49 cait_afk     we should perhaps also add to the wiki a note about creating new directories
13:49 * paul_p     feel no...
13:49 cait_afk     and the need to adjust the installer scripts for those
13:49 paul_p       (I mean no order at all)
13:50 jcamins      paul_p: yeah, that's my impression as well.
13:50 paul_p       jcamins = about Caching, no code is really using Koha::Cache for now, right ?
13:50 paul_p       (except svc/report)
13:50 jcamins      paul_p: just the report webservices.
13:50 paul_p       OK, so I should not investigate more for benchmarking performance changes ;-)
13:51 jcamins      paul_p: I had a sample patch to add more caching elsewhere.
13:51 cait_afk     oh, wasn't there one for system preferences?
13:51 jcamins      Once CHI is in, we can change the way we do the syspref cache, which should result in a *huge* performance improvement.
13:51 cait_afk     nice :)
13:51 jcamins      cait_afk: it wasn't using Koha::Cache.
13:51 cait_afk     i see
13:51 jcamins      cait_afk: in fact, I prefer not to think about how it worked at all.
13:51 jcamins      Too embarassing.
13:51 jcamins      ;)
13:52 cait_afk     heh
13:52 cait_afk     I am pretty sure it was a lot better than with whatever i could come up with
13:52 jcamins      cait_afk: I don't think so.
13:52 jcamins      CHI would allow us to use a fastmmap cache for sysprefs.
13:52 jcamins      (= win!)
13:52 cait_afk     see, I have no idea what that is
13:53 cait_afk     but I believe in the win part
13:53 slef         jcamins: cait_afk: thanks for handling that. There are NCP or private car parks available nearby, but £16/day seemed about average. I'm intending to leave th car parked at my hotel and walk in as much as possible. Alternative approach http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/shopping/cheap-parking-rental#cheap
13:53 * chris_n    fesses up to being the creator of the dep related code
13:53 chris_n      jcamins^^
13:53 jcamins      chris_n: in that case I guess I can be certain you did it right. :)
13:54 cait_afk     :)
13:54 slef         wahanui: kohacon?
13:54 wahanui      slef: i haven't a clue
13:54 slef         wahanui: kohacon12?
13:54 wahanui      kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Category:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June
13:54 * slef       adds it to the summary
13:55 chris_n      jcamins: however, the docs for it stink :-)
13:55 mle_         Barrc: the closest parking is at george square.
13:56 slef         mle_: Barrc has gone.
13:56 mle_         do I need to chase disabled parking permit?
13:56 slef         mle_: but I'll note it.
13:56 slef         mle_: do you know who operates George Square?
13:56 mle_         iirc george square is pay and display
13:56 mle_         i can check
13:58 slef         mle_: ok. Let us or http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=KohaCon12_Summary&action=edit&section=10 know when you have.
13:58 slef         http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Summary#Cars
13:58 * chris_n    has a ubuntu server who's nic just goes south with random regularity and the logs are *not* helpful >:-(
13:59 slef         chris_n: we had a debian doing that a while ago. Kernel upgrade seems to have cured it.
13:59 chris_n      thanks slef, I'll take a look that direction
13:59 slef         chris_n: running a slow ping from the server helped a bit, but didn't avoid the stalls.
13:59 cait_afk     paul_p++ for being busy :)
14:00 slef         chris_n: have you noticed if the system clock stopped? We had one doing that too but I don't remember if it was the one with the dud NIC
14:00 chris_n      slef: I've not noticed that
14:00 cait_afk     hi oak
14:01 Oak          guten abend cait_afk :)
14:01 paul_p       jcamins = agreed that the next step must be to cache sysprefs
14:01 jcamins      Argh!
14:01 paul_p       (should reduce sql queries by 80 for each page ;-)
14:01 jcamins      When I messed up CPAN yesterday I appear to have uninstalled caching.
14:02 * cait_afk   send jcamins cookies
14:02 * chris_n    hands jcamins fresh chocolate-chip oatmeal cookies to eat while he re-installs caching :)
14:03 chris_n      opps
14:03 chris_n      cait_afk: snap ;-)
14:03 cait_afk     double load of cookies - I am sure that will help :)
14:03 jcamins      :)
14:04 jcamins      dh-make-perl++
14:08 jcamins      paul_p: follow-up attached.
14:09 paul_p       jcamins great, thx
14:09 jcamins      paul_p: and note that CHI *is* optional.
14:10 jcamins      If you don't have CHI, the only caching available will be memcached, which is the same as the situation right now.
14:10 jcamins      (I marked it as optional in the dependencies... I'm just pointing this out to you)
14:11 jcamins      I'm going to upload all the Koha dependencies to my apt repo.
14:17 * chris_n    believes the current privacy thread is important
14:17 jcamins      Uh-oh.
14:17 jcamins      I think I just inadvertantly uploaded the package to Debian.
14:17 jcamins      Not sure how that's possible.
14:41 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6858' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=60186fa42fa0742eb3e8484f1fd4b16e04d32ae1> / Bug 6858: Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4dc45633966e1287d0fde6f3374e5bd0a4861c33> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8150' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.gi
14:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #737 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:09 jcamins      mtj++
15:16 mtj          woah, nice!   -> http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=16877
15:17 mtj          now that's what i call a press-release :p
15:17 cait_afk     :)
15:18 cait_afk     seems we are getting better at that :)
15:18 cait_afk     mtj++ go to sleep!
15:18 mtj          i've been to sleep already - i just got up :)
15:19 jcamins      mtj: you just got up?
15:19 jcamins      Isn't it 3am or so?
15:19 cait_afk     it's 3 am
15:19 cait_afk     for you
15:19 cait_afk     !!
15:21 jcamins      T::T++
15:22 cait_afk     tinkk... *sigh*
15:22 mtj          cait_afk: i am planning to take some days off later this week, so i finish that work now, . :)
15:22 cait_afk     I hate typos in mailing list mails
15:23 mtj          "Koha 3.8.0 contains over 130 enhancements with over 1000 changesets from 71 developers. Please read the release notes below the fold for more information."
15:23 cait_afk     mtj: hm I should not complain - as you did qa on dom indexing at this weird time :)
15:23 mtj          ^^ that is awesome
15:23 cait_afk     because Koha IS awesome :)
15:23 cait_afk     Koha++ :)
15:23 cait_afk     community++
15:23 cait_afk     @karma community
15:23 huginn`      cait_afk: Karma for "community" has been increased 11 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 10.
15:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #737: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/737/
15:41 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8095 - Printed lists in the OPAC not easy to read
15:41 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8122 - Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
15:41 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8122 - Followup Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
15:41 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7959 - Update OPAC suggestions interface to match lists
15:41 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7959 - Update OPAC suggestions interface to match lists
15:41 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8095 major, P2, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Printed lists in the OPAC not easy to read
15:41 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8150 [SIGNED-OFF] Remove obsoleted navigation bar in circ history
15:41 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 6858: Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing
15:41 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8122 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
15:41 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7959 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update OPAC suggestions interface to match lists
15:41 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8150 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Patron circulation history has a fossil navagation bar
15:41 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6858 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing
15:53 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e11a6b20256545292fc864de8e96ba68cde52d7a> / Bug 8144 - 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bd592d52615669a382caaba009cb941614b1e8a> / Bug 8145 - [SIGNED-OFF] opac-tags.pl fails when DEBUG is set <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.g
15:55 huginn`      New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7127] Templates must be valid XHTML <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7127>
16:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #738 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:03 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 4330 : Adding copyright headers and fixing FSF addresses <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=88b6e0f90a32af03ed6c4876e0917176bafe8376> / Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers for acqui/ <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0aecb2c2b3fc1fe31fadeb47e209f0964494e2f1> / Bug 4330 : Last of the opac files with wrong FSF address <http://git.koha-community.
16:15 vfernandes   hi guys...
16:17 chris_n      jcamins++ #for your sandbox extension ideas
16:17 chris_n      that would dramatically lower the entry level for bug signoff
16:17 jcamins      chris_n: yeah.
16:20 paul_p       chris_n = that would, but only once the new DB update system is live. Otherwise, many "patch does not apply" will reduce the signoff possibilities
16:21 paul_p       guys & women, I've pushed the passed QA pile, and QAed most of patches needing QA (except a few very large one & 3 BibLibre ones), it's time to go back home for me !!!
16:21 jcamins      paul_p: right now it's not really possible to try testing a new indexing configuration.
16:21 jcamins      As I understand.
16:21 paul_p       jcamins you're right.
16:21 jcamins      I think we could fix that.
16:21 cait_afk     paul_p: have a nice evening :)
16:21 paul_p       (and that will be *very* tricky to change that I fear !)
16:21 jcamins      Even cooler would be setting it up so that we could test it in parallel: old configuration and new configuration.
16:22 jcamins      It will be tricky, but not impossible. :)
16:22 jcamins      I learned how to do it for testing the UNIMARC DOM indexing.
16:22 cait_afk     nothing really is impossible... right? :)
16:22 jcamins      paul_p: bug 7818 just passed QA. :)
16:22 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
16:22 paul_p       jcamins = for testing in // you can always go to sandbox.pl, enter bug "master", no change in the DB, and you've got master !
16:23 vfernandes   can anyone help me with one authority question?
16:23 paul_p       jcamins yes, i've seen, but it's a little too large for playing with it at 6:30 PM...
16:23 jcamins      paul_p: ah, well, that simplifies my task.
16:23 jcamins      :)
16:23 cait_afk     paul_p: go! :)
16:23 jcamins      vfernandes: you can ask.
16:23 jcamins      paul_p: agreed.
16:23 jcamins      Go home.
16:23 jcamins      Push 7818 tomorrow. :D
16:24 chris_n      paul_p++ #for lots of work today
16:24 cait_afk     paul_p++
16:24 vfernandes   i have the 225$a subfield controlled by authority.... the cataloguing works fine and appears the link to the authority in the MARC detail backoffice page
16:24 jcamins      paul_p++
16:24 chris_n      jcamins?
16:24 wahanui      somebody said jcamins was an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
16:24 jcamins      chris_n: yes?
16:24 chris_n      wahanui: jcamins is also an authorities expert
16:24 wahanui      okay, chris_n.
16:24 chris_n      jcamins?
16:24 wahanui      hmmm... jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert
16:25 vfernandes   the problem is that when I enter in the authority it has 0 connections/uses
16:25 chris_n      hehe
16:25 cait_afk     vfernandes: did you add a $9 field?
16:25 cait_afk     to the framework?
16:25 jcamins      vfernandes: the used by is pretty inaccurate.
16:25 vfernandes   yes!
16:25 cait_afk     and are you indexing your authorities?
16:25 jcamins      Especially for UNIMARC.
16:25 jcamins      It will be better after DOM.
16:25 vfernandes   the authorities are being indexed because I can access them
16:26 cait_afk     hm
16:26 cait_afk     I hope jcamins will know then :)
16:26 vfernandes   i'm using GRS1
16:26 jcamins      The problem is with bib indexing.
16:26 * cait_afk   goes back to reading her accounting book
16:26 cait_afk     bbl :)
16:26 jcamins      You'll pretty much just have to deal with the "Used in" count being wrong.
16:26 jcamins      It almost always is.
16:27 vfernandes   I need to add an index on record.abs?
16:27 jcamins      Or you could do that.
16:27 jcamins      Yes.
16:27 jcamins      225$9 probably isn't indexed as an authid.
16:28 vfernandes   Koha-Auth-Number,Koha-Auth-Number:n
16:28 vfernandes   I think that's it :) let me try
16:29 jcamins      That sounds right, I think.
16:29 vfernandes   reindexing now...
16:38 vfernandes   it worked :)
16:38 jcamins      Yay!
16:39 techbee      hello all , i have installed koha 3.8 successfully on debain system , but it seems opening  maintenance page on startup
16:40 techbee      have set serverName directive to hostname but still same results , not sure  what's happening here
16:40 jcamins      techbee: you have to log into the staff client.
16:40 jcamins      It will take you through the web installer.
16:41 vfernandes   thanks jcamins and cait :)
16:43 techbee      any alternative to staff client
16:43 jcamins      techbee: no.
16:43 jcamins      techbee: you have to configure the system before you can use the OPAC.
16:43 jcamins      There's no way around that. You won't be able to do anything with Koha if you don't put any data in it.
16:46 techbee      i m kinda newbie not sure if i understand the issue
16:47 jcamins      techbee: you have to configure your system.
16:47 jcamins      Let me find the newbie guide.
16:47 techbee      thanks jcamins
16:47 jcamins      Newbie guide?
16:47 wahanui      Newbie guide is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide
16:47 jcamins      ^^ there you are.
16:47 techbee      thanks for your help jcamins
16:48 jcamins      Good luck.
16:51 techbee      doesn't seems details about installation
16:52 techbee      i am yet to  reach point to connect to koha web  admin interface
16:54 vfernandes   jcamins are you using UNIMARC?
16:54 jcamins      techbee: right, you have to do that in order to get the "System maintenance" page on the OPAC to go away.
16:54 jcamins      vfernandes: nope.
16:54 jcamins      vfernandes: I know nothing about UNIMARC.
16:54 vfernandes   ok :)
16:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #738: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/738/
16:55 jenkins_koha * mtj: Bug 8145 - [SIGNED-OFF] opac-tags.pl fails when DEBUG is set
16:55 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8144 - 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
16:55 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright statements
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 Fixing FSF statements
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding missing license statement
16:55 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8145 major, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , opac-tags.pl fails when DEBUG is set
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Last of the opac files with wrong FSF address
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers for acqui/
16:55 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8144 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
16:55 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding copyright headers and fixing FSF addresses
16:55 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7127 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Templates must be valid XHTML
16:55 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Copyright statements out of date
18:16 alaquerre    Hi everyone.  General question.   We curently do have a lot of "local" changes and I am wondering what is the best way to do version upgrade?  Should we do : 3.6.0 --> 3.8.1 ?  Or 3.6.0 --> 3.6.5 --> 3.8.1 ?
18:17 jcamins      alaquerre: it doesn't matter.
18:17 jcamins      Upgrading is going to be staggeringly painful regardless.
18:17 jcamins      Going from 3.6.0-3.8.1 will be faster, though.
18:17 alaquerre    ok that's was my question ;-) then ...
18:18 jcamins      alaquerre: usually upgrades aren't painful, of course, but with all your customizations, you're going to basically be redoing everything you did when you first moved to Koha.
18:18 jcamins      This is why "waiting until it's ready" is always a bad idea.
18:19 jcamins      Either get it ready immediately, or do without significant local changes, is my philosophy.
18:21 alaquerre    We want to push 80% of our local change to the community and then start to be "very clean"...
18:21 alaquerre    We hope that some of our upgrade will be taken into consideration.
18:22 jcamins      alaquerre: if you contribute code (and respond to feedback), anything others find useful will make it into Koha.
18:22 alaquerre    okay thanks again jcamins!
18:22 jcamins      (but remember it won't be incorporated into a release until 3.10 at the earliest)
18:24 alaquerre    I know :-)  That's why we will start doing quick release cycle...  Doing the initial migration, we try to fix everything quickly without sharing it since it's was time consumming... But I find it much more time consuming now ...
18:24 jcamins      Yup. And it'll only get worse and worse.
18:25 alaquerre    So you should see couple of new fix/feature from Libeo sponsored by CCSR...
18:25 alaquerre    Thanks again.
18:25 jcamins      There are a couple waiting for feedback from Libeo.
18:26 alaquerre    Okay I will do the follow up with them :-)
18:42 Oak          jcamins, can we install 3.6.5 on Debian using a command like apt-get install koha-common? <-- that will install 3.8.1, but what if we want to install 3.6.5 with all the dependencies?
18:45 cait_afk     Oak: not sure
18:45 Oak          cait_afk, okay :)
18:46 cait_afk     hm I think perhaps the source looks a bit different then? that you add to your list?
18:46 cait_afk     jcamins might know
18:46 Oak          i forgot what afk means...
18:46 cait_afk     away from keyboad :P
18:46 Oak          ah yes!
18:46 jcamins      Oak: at present, you have to use my apt repo to do that.
18:47 Oak          jcamins, how can we do that?
18:47 Oak          a wiki page?
18:47 jcamins      eythian will be adding an oldstable pouch to debian.koha-community.org, but right now you need to use a different repo.
18:47 jcamins      Add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list:
18:47 jcamins      http://apt.cpbibliography.com/koha 3.6.x
18:47 jcamins      Oops.
18:47 jcamins      deb http://apt.cpbibliography.com/koha 3.6.x
18:48 Oak          cool
18:48 Oak          thank you!
18:48 jcamins      Then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install koha-common
18:48 jcamins      Oh.
18:48 jcamins      You'll need to remove the debian.koha-community.org source, or it will think that 3.8.1 is newer than 3.6.5.
18:48 Oak          okay got it
18:53 Oak          okay guys me go now. sleep time.
18:53 Oak          later.
19:08 chris_n      here we go... :-P
19:08 chris_n      @wunder 28334
19:08 huginn`      chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 25.6°C (3:03 PM EDT on May 28, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
19:08 chris_n      t'storm city
19:09 * cait_afk   waves
19:33 mbalmer      evening
19:50 cait         @wunder Konstanz
19:50 huginn`      cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.9°C (9:50 PM CEST on May 28, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:01 rangi        Morning
20:04 cait         good morning rangi :)
20:07 jcamins      Morning.
20:07 wahanui      i guess morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
20:11 rangi        Brb
20:16 rangi        back
20:26 chris_n      did Koha::Template::Plugin::Combine not make it into 3.8.x?
20:27 rangi        i havent seen it
20:27 rangi        is it in master?
20:27 chris_n      I saw it mentioned on the wiki and assumed it was
20:28 jcamins      I've never even heard of it.
20:28 jcamins      What does it do?
20:28 chris_n      http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Performance#Koha::Template::Plugin::Combine
20:28 chris_n      in response to bug 1918
20:28 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS
20:28 rangi        ahh thats something dobrica was working on, afaik no, not in master yet
20:28 rangi        tis a nice idea tho
20:29 chris_n      oops
20:29 chris_n      there it is
20:29 * chris_n    considers putting it in production
20:29 cait         why is it in dicussion?
20:29 rangi        caveat emptor
20:29 cait         ?
20:30 rangi        dunno
20:30 rangi        i just fixed that
20:30 chris_n      cait: basically rendered: let the buyer beware
20:30 rangi        (the in discussion thing)
20:31 jcamins      Oh, this isn't such a good idea.
20:31 jcamins      DBD::Gofer.
20:31 * cait       blames accounting for her confused state of mind
20:33 jcamins      Well, I guess DBD::Gofer is a good idea when you are RAM rich and processor poor.
20:33 chris_n      ouch
20:33 chris_n      36 requests  ❘  123.05KB transferred  ❘  14.21s (onload: 14.21s, DOMContentLoaded: 13.96s)
20:33 jcamins      But I'd rather do proper caching in Koha.
20:33 chris_n      load addbooks.pl?q=history
20:33 * chris_n    wonders what's wrong
20:33 jcamins      chris_n: do you use NYTProf?
20:34 chris_n      not atm
20:34 jcamins      You should.
20:34 jcamins      Makes it easy for you to see what happened when you get something like that.
20:34 rangi        ohh all my 4330 got pushed yay, one step closer to being in debian proper, i still have about 100 files to fix copyright headers on, but getting there
20:34 jcamins      Requires two lines:
20:35 jcamins      SetEnv NYTPROF "file=/tmp/nytprof.out"
20:35 jcamins      SetEnv PERL5OPT "-d:NYTProf"
20:35 jcamins      If you want to automatically put it in a subdir, you can also add: Alias /nytprof/ "/tmp/nytprof/"
20:36 jcamins      Then when you're testing something and run into a problem, you can just run: cd /tmp && nytprofhtml
20:36 chris_n      so does it generate html output or text or?
20:36 jcamins      nytprofhtml turns the log into HTML.
20:36 chris_n      cool
20:36 jcamins      That's how I figured out that SearchAuthorities was broken.
20:41 chris_n      jcamins: is stuff like "No file line range data for sub foo" commong?
20:41 chris_n      common even
20:41 jcamins      chris_n: yeah, it has something to do with autoload.
20:42 chris_n      k... its processing the log file now
20:42 jcamins      My rule of thumb is that anything getting loaded in a compiled form is something I don't have any control over anyway.
20:44 chris_n      hmm
20:44 chris_n      seems to be hung up
20:44 jcamins      chris_n: it can take a *loong* time.
20:45 chris_n      ahh
20:45 jcamins      Depends how much code was run.
20:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
20:47 chris_n      jcamins: so I end up with a directory full of html files
20:47 chris_n      and get koha 404 messages when attempting to access them.... :-(
20:48 jcamins      chris_n: and you added the alias?
20:49 chris_n      yes, and can browse the directory
20:49 jcamins      That's weird!
20:49 chris_n      om
20:49 chris_n      I ran it as root
20:49 chris_n      is that bad?
20:49 jcamins      Hm.
20:49 jcamins      I always run it as my Koha user.
20:50 chris_n      no joy
20:50 chris_n      chown to www-data did not help
20:50 chris_n      ahh
20:51 rangi        bug 7794
20:51 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , redefine the field id as PRIMARY KEY of sessions
20:51 rangi        im leaning towards holding that over to 3.10
20:51 chris_n      jcamins: trailing slash gotcha
20:51 jcamins      chris_n: ah, yeah, that'll do it.
20:52 jcamins      rangi: makes sense to me.
20:52 rangi        since it doesnt win us anything significant, and potentially might break something
20:52 chris_n      rangi: +1
20:52 rangi        cool will do
20:53 chris_n      ouch
20:53 chris_n      Profile of /home/koha/koha.prod/cataloguing/addbooks.pl for 23.9s, executing 838930 statements and 207556 subroutine calls in 305 source files and 976 string evals.
20:53 jcamins      Bother.
20:53 chris_n      ~24 seconds
20:53 jcamins      Speaking of trailing slash gotchas.
20:53 rangi        bug 7729 the same
20:53 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items
20:53 chris_n      blisteringly slow
20:53 chris_n      rangi: agree
20:53 jcamins      I just discovered that I had a slash extra (or too few) in my rsync and my apt repo wasn't updated properly.
20:55 chris_n      looks like the templating stuff takes forever
20:55 pastebot     "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Top 15 Subroutines — ordered" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/416
20:56 chris_n      any thoughts on what direction to look?
20:56 jcamins      I have no idea what Storable is even doing there.
20:57 jcamins      I'm also unclear why it's running gunzip.
20:58 chris_n      # spent 2.86s within Storable::mretrieve which was called 48 times, avg 59.5ms/call:
20:58 chris_n      # 48 times (2.86s+0s) by Storable::thaw at line 415 of Storable.pm, avg 59.5ms/call
20:58 chris_n      glub, glub :-P
20:58 jcamins      Wait.
20:59 jcamins      Oh, never mind.
20:59 jcamins      The math does add up.
20:59 jcamins      It's milliseconds not nanoseconds.
20:59 * chris_n    wonders just what's being passed in to thaw()
20:59 chris_n      411	48	214ms			        my ($frozen) = @_;
21:00 jcamins      I'm profiling it on my system to see what I see.
21:00 chris_n      or if its just freezing things so hard that it takes a long time to thaw them back out... ;-)
21:00 jcamins      It's a bit faster.
21:02 jcamins      The results are nothing like that.
21:02 jcamins      Clear your sessions?
21:02 chris_n      will try
21:03 jcamins      I spend 301 microseconds in mretrieve.
21:03 chris_n      oo
21:03 chris_n      look at this monstrosity
21:03 chris_n      mysql> SELECT count(*) FROM sessions;
21:03 chris_n      +----------+
21:03 chris_n      | count(*) |
21:03 chris_n      +----------+
21:03 chris_n      |   213750 |
21:03 chris_n      +----------+
21:04 chris_n      1 row in set (3.82 sec)
21:04 jcamins      Memcached.
21:04 wahanui      i think memcached is running, but I dunno it Koha uses it.
21:04 jcamins      It's the way to go. :P
21:04 chris_n      its running :-)
21:04 chris_n      do I need to clear the ntyprof log each time?
21:04 jcamins      No, just refresh and run nytprofhtml again.
21:05 jcamins      The configuration I suggested is a bit brittle because it will only keep the log for the last page load, but I find it works well enough for me.
21:05 chris_n      well, its running
21:06 chris_n      there was not much perceptible change in load time
21:06 chris_n      jcamins: it will probably be fine for my use too
21:07 chris_n      very nice tool
21:07 chris_n      entirely too much red, though
21:09 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/
21:09 rangi        check out the top right
21:09 cait         yay!
21:10 * cait       changes and finds out she is still not understanding french
21:10 * cait       switches back
21:10 cait         rangi++
21:11 rangi        refresh now
21:11 cait         heh
21:11 cait         not sure I understand that :)
21:12 rangi        gaetan_B: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/  <-- look at the top right
21:12 chris_n      rangi++
21:12 gaetan_B     version 4.2.1 ?
21:12 rangi        below that
21:12 chris_n      DE now
21:12 chris_n      nice!
21:12 gaetan_B     oooh
21:12 gaetan_B     ha :)
21:13 chris_n      too bad it won't automagically translate comments ;-)
21:13 cait         or our statuses
21:13 rangi        that would be pretty cool :)
21:13 cait         google translate :)
21:13 rangi        but no, its static templates, like we do for koha
21:13 chris_n      jcamins: Profile of /home/koha/koha.prod/cataloguing/addbooks.pl for 22.6s,
21:13 chris_n      after truncating sessions
21:13 chris_n      :-(
21:14 * gaetan_B   is going to bed... good night #koha!
21:14 cait         he is faster than oleonard even
21:17 cait         how is the go live going?
21:18 * chris_n    is glad there are no users around :(
21:18 chris_n      data is ok
21:18 chris_n      but it serves pages as slow as chrome rusts
21:18 cait         that sounds painful
21:19 cait         and you were not able to locate the problem yet?
21:19 cait         newer versions were reported to be faster
21:19 chris_n      maybe resources?
21:19 chris_n      this is a single core/single cpu 1.2GHz w/1G ram
21:19 chris_n      but I don't thing it should be *that* slow
21:20 chris_n      I can eat an entire chocolate chip cookie while the search page loads
21:20 cait         oh
21:20 cait         hand over the cookies then :)
21:21 cait         so it will get faster
21:21 chris_n      addbooks.pl appears to consume 87% of the cpu cycles, so maybe it is resources
21:21 * chris_n    heads home
21:22 chris_n      this is a tomorrow problem :-P
21:22 cait         good luck tomorrow :)
21:22 cait         maybe you dream the solutoin
21:22 chris_n      lol!
21:23 chris_n      more likely dream about eating more cookies :)
21:23 cait         heh
21:24 cait         I have the cookies now - dream the solution!
21:27 jcamins      Yikes. That's a pretty dinky little server.
21:27 jcamins      Maybe time to upgrade?
21:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #30: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/30/
21:40 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8014 - On the patron entry form hide "restricted until" field if "Restricted: No" is checked
21:40 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8014 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , On the patron entry form hide "restricted until" field if "Restricted: No" is checked
21:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #31 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:44 cait         !jenkins botsnack cupcake
21:44 jenkins_koha cait: great! yum yum. how did you know that cupcake is my favorite food?
21:45 rangi        heh
21:46 cait         !rangi rmaintsnack muffin
21:46 rangi        i love muffins!
21:47 cait         good guess, eh? :)
21:48 rangi        bug 7818
21:48 wahanui      hmmm... bug 7818 is waiting for my QA. Should be pretty painless, as it works a charm.
21:48 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
21:48 rangi        yay
21:48 gmcharlt     huzzah
21:49 cait         gmcharlt++ :)
21:52 cait         good night #koha
21:54 rangi        night cait
22:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #31: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/31/
22:32 jenkins_koha srdjan: bug_8056: sorted out slip print calls