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18:37 cait :)
18:30 wajasu i'll try to create a new bug, and patch for a sandbox so someone can verify easier.
18:30 wajasu that explains the lack of concern, as folks have different workflows/workarounds.
18:28 cait and not sure how they print the labels - they seem to use word or something else
18:28 cait our libraries buy preprinted barcodes
18:27 wajasu i would have thought folks would have diacritics printing in their labels by now (in PDF). but i see some export to excel, and use openoffice or another app to print them.
18:26 wajasu if i reference my bug and testing behavior against a current sandbox (paul poulains), it might help. thanks.
18:25 wajasu ok
18:25 cait weekends are pretty quiet too - if you ask around in the week more people are here
18:25 wajasu at least i found a sandbox that exhibits the behavior
18:24 cait that will make it easy for people to test
18:23 wajasu ok.
18:23 cait hence the suggestion to add all testing information to a bug
18:22 cait wajasu: I understand, but I don't have time right now and don't know much about the label printing module
18:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
18:21 wajasu i've been trying to fix this via bug 2246. i posted a fix(last fall 2011) but its not accepted or verified. i just want to prove that its broken by someone else. then to try my fix to verify.
18:02 cait perhaps try opening a bug report? you could attach the problematic records and the label settings you tried
18:02 cait sounds like a bug
18:02 cait hm
17:55 wajasu i tried a marc21 sandbox but when i try to print a label, no text shows above the barcode. i also tried at bywater, and my label did not show the diacritic (accent over e), but showed 2 odd characters.
16:59 Oak \o
16:53 wajasu if there a test catalogue is can sign in as staff and find a record with a diacritic, and print a label to see if its just my system?
16:52 wajasu if the OS os debian squeeze, and the koha-common code is 3.8.1, and printing labels with diacritics does this, what is different in my system so that it doesn't work? mysql database is utf8 etc.
16:33 wajasu if i take a biblio and edit it. even if i cutnpaste jÃ¼rgen, and print label to pdf, i always see Ã¼ as (tilde over capital A, and 1/4 fraction character). the leader has "a" in leader postion 9.
16:16 huginn` jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
16:16 jcamins_away @later tell mtj I signed off on fredericd's final patch for bug 7818. It's all ready for your QA. :)
15:59 cait http://colorschemedesigner.com/#3B31T6fXow0w0
15:58 cait playing wit the schemes on top now :)
15:58 cait I already did :)
15:58 Oak to enter *your* color
15:58 Oak on that site http://colorschemedesigner.com/ on bottom left of the big color wheel... there is written RGB: and some color code. click on it.
15:57 Oak blue on university's homepage is this: C9DEF5
15:57 cait thx :)
15:56 Oak if you like
15:56 Oak now you can try also :)
15:56 Oak the blue from the OPAC's main page is this: 76ACF1
15:56 Oak okay.
15:55 cait and see what it comes up with?
15:55 cait perhaps try to give it the blue from the homepage
15:55 Oak you give it one color, and it tells you 2, 3 or more colors that will work with it
15:55 Oak i use this to get colors: http://colorschemedesigner.com/
15:55 Oak *sigh* electricity will be out here in 5 minutes :(
15:54 Oak yes :)
15:54 cait I am always happy when I can steal it somewhere
15:54 Oak so i need a third color
15:54 cait well... 3 matching colors :)
15:54 cait but Ithink working with 3 colors works most of the time
15:54 Oak me neither.
15:54 Oak hm. okay.
15:54 cait I am not good at design :(
15:54 cait try the same on them?
15:54 Oak looks okay i think. but then, what about the yellow boxes on left?
15:53 cait :)
15:52 Oak like this: http://tinypic.com/r/awzssh/6
15:49 Oak let me try the blues and see how they look
15:49 Oak yes, i plan to add the tree somewhere in footer area :)
15:48 cait the little tree at the bottom is a nice element
15:48 cait the light blue on top
15:48 Oak hm. i guess.
15:48 cait you could go for the blues
15:48 cait hm
15:48 Oak no yellow,
15:48 cait perhaps try a different 3rd color or make it a ibt lighter?
15:47 cait you have yellow blue and green there
15:47 Oak hmm... try http://uaar.edu.pk
15:47 cait is there an existing color scheme for the website of the institute?
15:47 Oak when i showed it to the director today, he said hmm, that yellow looks a bit out of place with the blue
15:47 Oak hmm.
15:46 cait I think it's a culture thing too
15:46 cait I don't know
15:46 cait heh
15:46 Oak or cartoon network?
15:46 Oak like too Disney or something?
15:46 Oak cait, that yellow color on the OPAC... is it too much?
15:46 Oak ah yes. i'll ask him when he comes
15:45 Oak *sigh* yes. will see when the system is up again though
15:45 cait and I am not very familiar with that - oleonard would know I think
15:45 Oak :) thank you!
15:45 cait I think this has something to do with the yui grid system
15:45 cait I think perhaps check the yui elements
15:45 cait already looks very nice!
15:44 Oak cait, please see this: http://tinypic.com/r/dlg5du/6
15:42 Oak let me get you a screen shot
15:42 Oak electricity must be out
15:42 Oak oh never mind, it's down
15:42 Oak but when a user logs in, the login box area disappears.
15:42 cait not on your page yet
15:42 cait it's really slow
15:42 cait hm
15:41 Oak i want to add a blue div box on left column with the some text in it.
15:41 Oak http://koha-library.uaar.edu.pk
15:41 Oak there is a yellow div box on left column here under the navigation
15:40 Oak :) hmm
15:40 cait and editing the tmpl files will probably not make you so happy when you plan your next update :)
15:40 cait I am not sure I understand what you want to do
15:39 Oak because when a user log in and we go to the main page there is no right column... so it must be dynamic something
15:39 Oak no that won;t work
15:39 Oak that opac-main.pl is responsible for the main page?
15:38 Oak and add it manually inside <div class="yui-u">
15:38 Oak can I just edit cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
15:38 Oak hmm.
15:38 cait I think you could use jquery
15:37 Oak just on the main page of OPAC
15:37 Oak nope.
15:37 cait might be someting you can do with yui... do you want the column on all pages?
15:37 Oak hmm. i'll dig.
15:37 cait not sure
15:37 cait hm
15:37 Oak when a user logs in to the OPAC the username password box in right column disappears... how can I add some other box in right column so that there is always a right column?
15:36 Oak question:
15:36 Oak :) hmm. got it.
15:36 cait that's irc not being shut down on the phone
15:36 cait no
15:36 cait ah
15:35 Oak are you traveling cait? there is a cait-m....
15:35 Oak :)
15:35 cait ahoy Oak
15:33 Oak Ahoy me hearties
15:12 wajasu let me try to see how.
15:11 wajasu hmmm.
15:11 jcamins You need to change z39.50 encoding to marc 8.
15:11 wajasu it came from the LOC.
15:10 wajasu i just used the z3950 and did the Import link. My sql query shows C3BC.
15:09 cait last time I tested the label creator with umlauts it worked - but it was sure a longer time ago
15:09 cait it#s both valid utf-8
15:09 cait I think you can get it in different ways from different z39.50 servers
15:09 wajasu this is a tough issue i am trying to figure out. i just did a z3950 search for jurgen and imported it. i am waiting for zebra to index. and will see if the label is fine.
15:05 cait I am not much help here
15:05 cait sorry wajasu
15:00 wajasu OR do i need to write a program to reencode my database?
14:57 wajasu if they have a problem, then if they could do a quick one line fix in label-creator-pdf.pl like i have done, to get the diacritics printing correctly.
14:56 wajasu i just need someone to do the query i mentioned above, to see if their database is encoded the same way to validate my database. then i need them to print a pdf label and see if they have a problem as well.
14:54 wajasu http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/fc/index.htm
14:53 wajasu most of these records were probably pulled from z39.50 servers.
14:53 cait don't know about the hex codes sorry
14:51 wajasu thats what i am trying to find out.
14:48 drojf1 should the sql data not be utf8? C3BC seems latin1-ish to me
14:48 wajasu i was hoping someone who was savy enough, could do that query on their database, and tell me if they have C3BC or something else. I would then know if my database was correct, or if its been encoded twice.
14:45 wajasu i did select biblionumber,author,HEX(author),title from biblio where author like '%rgen%'; in mysql to see how the data is encoded. i see C3BC, in many of my entries. I see C3B8 as well.
14:41 cait that's why I was asking
14:41 cait as 2 characters or as one, different normalization forms
14:41 cait wajasu: Ã¼ can be done in 2 different ways in unicode
14:41 wajasu everything looks fine in firefox/web.
14:41 wajasu i applied my fix to label-create-pdf.pl and it fixes the problem, but i wonder if the data in my database is normalized wrong.
14:39 wajasu i just want to know if it works for other people
14:39 wajasu i have the problem for all diacritics printing labels. like i said, i used the latest koha.
14:37 wajasu i went to someone elses catalog and search for a record with jurgen, and saved the record as utf8 standard, then imported it through staged import. I hve the same issue. I use marc21 for my flavor.
14:35 wajasu i converted the database 3 years ago using a custom program, using staged marc import.
14:34 cait could you try copying my jÃ¼rgen from here and trying that?
14:34 cait did you copy it from somewhere?
14:34 cait how did you enter jÃ¼rgen?
14:34 wajasu now when i open the pdf, my jurgen entries which should have two dots over the "u" show up as two characters.
14:33 wajasu if i sign into and pull up more -> tools -> label creator -> batches -> new batch -> add items -> select author dropdown -> type JURGEN -> selectall -> addchecked -> check a bunch in the batch -> export items -> select label template and barcode data -> export -> download PDF.
14:11 wajasu i installed 3.8.1 on a virtual machine, running the latest stable debian squeeze last night.
14:10 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
14:10 wajasu i am trying to fix/improve bug 2246 so label printing via PDF prints diacritics for common cases.
14:06 Oak hello cait :)
14:01 Oak hello druthb :)
14:01 Oak kia ora #koha
14:01 druthb hi, Oak.
13:48 cait :)
13:42 druthb o/
12:27 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:27 jcamins @later tell magnuse I just thought you might be interested. I don't expect you'll be doing much Perl module packaging.
12:26 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
12:26 jcamins @later tell magnuse This is cool: http://www.idimmu.net/2008/02/01/turning-cpan-modules-in-to-deb-with-dh-perl-make/
12:08 jcamins Filing a bug just took an unusually long time.
12:08 jcamins cait: I presume it's the same script.
12:06 cait from different ip? :(
12:06 jcamins Looks like the script has started up again.
11:28 cait 11:30 tho... so we should send him to bed soon
11:27 cait jcamins: cut him a break - it's weekend :)
11:27 jcamins rangi: why are you awake?
11:27 cait rangi++
11:26 jcamins Much better.
11:26 cait yep lot better
11:26 rangi what im gonna do is put ngnix out front to serve static and then have apache behind it for the dynamic stuff, but not gonna start that this time of night
11:25 rangi seems all to me now ive blocked that ip
11:24 rangi any better now?
11:22 rangi stupid download scripts probably
11:21 jcamins Hm. Wonder why.
11:21 rangi s
11:21 rangi found who is doing it, something/someone is opening a ton of connections to big download files, which uses up all the available one
11:19 jcamins I managed to upload the patches.
11:17 rangi just maxing out all available apache connections
11:13 cait really slow
11:13 cait w
11:13 cait hm back for me no
11:13 rangi no load on the server
11:13 rangi its being used, not really anything i can do
11:13 cait me neither
11:13 rangi 24.193.130.86 - - [26/May/2012:11:12:27 +0000] "POST /bugzilla3/index.cgi HTTP/1.1" 200 15267 "-" "-"
11:13 jcamins I'm just trying to sign off on stuff.
11:13 rangi 4.193.130.86 - - [26/May/2012:11:12:17 +0000] "POST /bugzilla3/attachment.cgi HTTP/1.1" 200 126089 "-" "git-bz"
11:13 jcamins Not mine.
11:12 rangi its getting requests, probably someones script maxing connections again
11:12 jcamins I'm definitely having issues getting through to it.
11:11 rangi no load at all
11:11 rangi weird
11:07 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
11:07 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you give Bugzilla a kick?
11:06 jcamins Is BZ down for everyone else?
10:48 jcamins :)
10:45 cait must mean you are important
10:45 cait I found oyu - you are bold and on top of the list.
10:44 jcamins That's odd.
10:43 cait that is a bit irritating
10:42 cait jcamins: you are not showing up in my list of names for this channel
10:42 cait hm
10:42 cait I will start soon, thx for asking :)
10:35 jcamins How's your accounting going?
10:31 cait I can see the use, can nothing say about the implementation
10:31 cait and other signed forms you have to keep
10:30 jcamins Thanks.
10:30 jcamins Ah!
10:30 cait with signature
10:30 cait registration forms
10:30 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , attach PDF files to a patron record
10:30 jcamins I'm trying to imagine what the use for bug 8130 is, and I'm coming up blank.
09:48 cait lol
09:48 jcamins Shari says it couldn't have been me thinking too loudly because she didn't detect any brainwaves from my direction... I was so busy being quiet so as not to wake her she thought I was asleep until I popped up out of bed too.
09:46 cait busy
09:46 jcamins I'll sign off on some patches, and she has grading to do.
09:42 cait what are you 2 doing?
09:42 cait :)
09:41 jcamins Yup.
09:41 jcamins Heh.
09:41 * cait was looking at your fb photos
09:41 cait myshkin must be the cutest cat ever
09:36 jcamins lol
09:36 cait you were probably thinking too loud
09:35 cait heh
09:35 jcamins Shari's awake too!
09:35 jcamins You know what's *really* weird?
09:35 jcamins I wasn't sleepy anymore.
09:35 cait why are you awake?
09:35 cait hi jcamins
09:34 jcamins Good morning.
09:34 drojf hi jcamins
09:32 drojf rangi: regarding google analytics, i'm sorry if my email sounded attacking. i got very allergic to google's omnipresence on the web over time and was honestly very surprised when i saw google analytics on the koha website. it seems i tend to start shouting pretty fast when it comes to this topic.
09:30 jcamins o/
09:23 drojf :D nice
09:23 cait almost - 10 hours of sleep :)
09:22 drojf recovered from your trip home?
09:22 drojf hey cait
09:22 cait hi drojf
09:09 drojf good day #koha
08:46 Oak hmm.
08:43 rangi Oak: linking to koha-community.org, making sure people know thats the real site
08:43 Oak me go read
08:43 Oak cool
08:42 rangi it is, on the main mailing list
08:40 Oak the mirko's email you were talking about... is it on mailing list?
08:39 Oak how can ordinary users like me help is spreading the word?
08:38 rangi lots of things linking to a site increases its ranking, lots of things that are findable by search engines that is, most of facebook isnt
08:37 * Oak goes to google+
08:37 Oak hmm
08:37 rangi hmm no facebook really doesnt its a walled garden
08:36 Oak some people on facebook have hundreds of friends, who have hundreds of friends, who have... so why not list the link to our facebook page on right column on koha-community.org? we can't deny that facebook help is search engine's page ranking?
08:36 cait I mean I am not - I don't know :)
08:35 cait Oak: sorry, not on facebook
08:34 wahanui somebody said the link was right, but the website is gone, apparently
08:34 Oak what is the link?
08:34 Oak doing plain 'koha' search in facebook is not returning the page i want
08:28 rangi google+ too
08:23 rangi yep
08:23 Oak is there an official FB page for the real Koha?
08:22 rangi *nod* ppl still get stuck downloading the faux koha too much
08:22 cait which is something we really need to do - had to explain the difference so many times this last week :(
08:22 rangi thats definitely what the google+ is for
08:21 cait I think we have the google code to up us in the rankings?
08:21 cait hm yeah
08:20 * Oak goes to read Koha's mailing list messages
08:17 rangi such a shame, mirko is right, but the attacking tone of his email totally detracts from his message
08:17 cait hi rangi
08:15 Oak hi rangi :)
08:15 rangi hi cait
08:15 cait hi Oak :)
08:14 Oak Guten morgen cait
08:13 wahanui rule one is "Don't Be A Dick!"
08:13 rangi rule one?
04:56 Oak for example we have OpacNav in preferences to do that for left column...
04:55 Oak when a user logs in to the OPAC the username password box in right column disappears... how can I add some other box in right column so that there is always a right column?
04:53 Oak :)
04:52 wajasu found one
04:42 wajasu i'm trying to test printing labels with diacritics in author names. does anyone know of a catalog i can search, and export/save the marcxml so i can import and see if it prints in my koha 3.8.1 test system?
04:07 Oak kia ora #koha
03:44 wajasu i just created a linux kvm, with debian sqeeze, and the latest koha. looks great!
02:16 druthb o/