Time Nick Message
23:59 rangi hmm i thought we had fixed that
23:59 * eythian notes that the dependency on Libgravatar::URL isn't included in the deps, apparently.
23:57 rangi http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/joeyh/git-annex-assistant-like-dropbox-but-with-your-own
23:44 jcamins :)
23:44 papa nope, I cannot
23:43 papa ok, maybe I can find something more compelling
23:42 eythian heh
23:42 jcamins ;)
23:42 jcamins eythian: that is compelling, but I'm still not convinced.
23:41 eythian papa: it's your patch
23:41 jcamins If anyone wants to make a very compelling argument, I'll listen politely and not push it anyway.
23:40 jcamins Sorry.
23:40 jcamins 6039 is not going into 3.6.x.
23:40 jcamins Hm.
23:38 eythian (I'm using updates and upgrades interchangeably here, badly)
23:37 eythian and if you press 'g' again, it'll actually run the upgrades.
23:37 roygbivovacl yep
23:37 eythian it should give you a big list of updates in pretty colours.
23:37 eythian But now press 'g'
23:37 eythian It doesn't change a whole lot, visually.
23:36 roygbivovacl updated the packages, press 'U' which marks everything that can be upgraded as "to be upgraded. Nothing seems to happen
23:33 eythian ok
23:32 roygbivovacl just trying to upgrade debian on test...
23:32 eythian hi
23:32 roygbivovacl hiya eythian (and all)
23:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3521 trivial, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Stable , Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically
23:31 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7948 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus
23:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 3521 - Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically
23:31 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7948 - Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus
23:31 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #24: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/24/
23:19 JoeLib001 jcamins: Thanks for helping me get my MARC Record import sorted out. :-)
23:14 rangi should be a the tip there
23:14 rangi looks like it got missed
23:13 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/new/bug_7129
23:12 jcamins Not in 3.6.x either.
23:12 jcamins Thanks.
23:11 rangi not in master, or 3.8.x
23:11 rangi hmm nope
23:10 jcamins Thanks.
23:10 rangi looking now
23:10 jcamins Anywhere.
23:10 eythian and then have testing/unstable track the current stable, or something like that.
23:10 jcamins I don't think it was ever actually pushed.
23:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7129 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , actual cost showing too many zeros
23:10 jcamins Could someone please check bug 7129 for me?
23:10 rangi yeah, thats a good point
23:10 eythian Probably best making a decision each time it's close to freeze as to which version to put in
23:09 rangi tis true
23:09 eythian rangi: when it's in debian proper, it won't update very fast anyway.
23:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Copyright statements out of date
23:09 rangi course i have to finish bug 4330 before that can be done anyway
23:08 rangi but, its something we need to figure out when its debian proper too
23:06 tcohen rangi, i get it. i didn't think about that transition problems
23:06 rangi ie if you wanted to move from koha-3.8 package to koha-3.10 you'd have to remove one, add the other .. can be messy
23:05 eythian tcohen: it would allow people to pick "conservative" or "progressive" or "oh god it bleeds" and stay where they want to be, so oldstable would become 3.8.whatever when 3.6 goes EOL
23:05 rangi if you had different packages
23:05 rangi you'd have to do things with conflicting etc
23:04 tcohen right
23:03 rangi 3.4 is EOL
23:03 rangi we do anyway
23:03 tcohen oldstable would make it it you maintain just two stable dists
23:02 tcohen koha-3.8-3.8.0, koha-3.8-3.8.1 revision
23:02 rangi hmm i like dists better
23:02 tcohen how about having a koha-3.8 and then a koha-3.10 packages
22:56 rangi jcamins: yeah the ppa builds for ubuntu releases, it will most likely just work for debian too, but sometimes it might not
22:55 eythian definitely
22:55 eythian but if you want your own one in the interim, nothing wrong with that.
22:55 jcamins eythian: I hope that, too! But I figure better to have the packages *somewhere* now, than nowhere until later.
22:54 eythian jcamins: yeah, it's good. I hope it won't be too long before I manage to set up the k-c repo to do it though.
22:54 rangi would be better to make a proper oldstable dist
22:54 jcamins Ah. But won't work for Debian?
22:54 rangi personal package archive
22:54 rangi hmm ppa is ok for ubuntu
22:54 jcamins And, for that matter, what a ppa is.
22:53 jcamins Alternatively, I suppose I could get rangi to tell me how to make a ppa.
22:53 jcamins Did my suggestion of setting up a temporary apt repo so that we don't have to worry about reconfiguring debian.k-c.org right now make sense to you?
22:51 jcamins You're welcome.
22:51 eythian But now I know how they work at least, that's good :) thanks for that
22:50 eythian I can see them using both methods.
22:50 eythian ah right
22:50 jcamins The "Create child record" option links to the bib record.
22:50 eythian OK
22:50 jcamins Right.
22:50 eythian So, that way links to the item, rather than just the record?
22:49 eythian I don't. I dumb.
22:49 eythian oh wait
22:49 eythian it looks just like the 'normal' view
22:49 jcamins Do you have items?
22:49 eythian no...
22:49 jcamins No. See on the right. "Create analytic record"?
22:48 eythian does it just show stuff?
22:48 eythian What does the 'analytics' tab in cataloguing do?
22:47 jcamins Cool. :)
22:47 jcamins Oh, that's right. I also insisted on an "Analyze items" option under the new button.
22:47 eythian the sysprefs needs a 'keywords' feature so that a search for "analytics" would find it.
22:47 jcamins Yep.
22:47 eythian that'll be why I couldn't find it.
22:46 eythian oh: EasyAnalyticalRecords
22:46 jcamins Under the "New" button on the cataloging toolbar is a "New child record" option.
22:46 jcamins View a record.
22:46 jcamins Not sure.
22:46 jcamins This may be 3.8.0+ only, though.
22:45 jcamins If you're not using items for serials (many places don't), that doesn't work so well.
22:44 jcamins Ah, this is a nice one.
22:44 eythian curious
22:44 jcamins 3.6.0.
22:44 eythian what version did it appear in?
22:44 eythian hrm
22:44 eythian > No system preferences matched your search for easyanalytics.
22:43 jcamins One moment
22:43 jcamins It's really cool.
22:43 jcamins Actually, there's another workflow, too.
22:43 jcamins I prefer the simplified workflows.
22:42 eythian o
22:42 eythian that's the only way I've done it before to
22:42 jcamins You're welcome.
22:42 jcamins The way I used to do it was 100% manually.
22:42 eythian Thanks!
22:42 eythian OK, cool. I'll have a play with those now and work out what is the best.
22:42 jcamins (in terms of leader and 773)
22:41 jcamins Everything is automatically filled in.
22:41 jcamins Yup.
22:41 jcamins It's in the item table.
22:41 eythian That lets you create child items for articles then?
22:41 jcamins Then click "Analyze this record" or something like that.
22:41 jcamins The *easy* way is to create the record for the volume, then go to the analytics tab on the left.
22:40 jcamins The workflow described there is what you'd do if you already had records for all your articles.
22:40 eythian OK then, what's the easy way?
22:40 eythian heh
22:40 jenkins_koha Starting build #24 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:40 eythian Out of curiosity, what's the other way? Manually filling in 773$w?
22:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8057 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Error when adding a patron with email address
22:40 jcamins That's the hard way.
22:40 jenkins_koha kyle: Bug 8057 - Error when adding a patron with email address
22:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #23: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/23/
22:39 eythian oh hey, that does look easy.
22:39 jcamins Actually...
22:39 jcamins http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/cataloging.html#cataloganalytics
22:39 jcamins Should be...
22:38 jcamins You enable it, create a record for the volume, go to the Analyze tab, and click "Analyze this item."
22:38 eythian are there docs somewhere?
22:38 eythian :)
22:38 jcamins Incredibly easily.
22:38 eythian OK. How does that work?
22:38 jcamins Okay, the easiest way to create them would be to use the EasyAnalytics feature.
22:37 eythian *stubs
22:37 eythian at least, not just dtubs
22:37 eythian Oh, no. I think they'll be properly catalogued articles.
22:37 jcamins Detailed subject analysis as with indexing?
22:36 jcamins Records with very broad subjects?
22:36 jcamins Are they just stub records, with no subject information at all?
22:36 eythian what kind of detail?
22:36 jcamins eythian: well, the most sensible workflow to use depends on what level of detail the library uses.
22:35 eythian jcamins: what does that mean?
22:35 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
22:35 eythian @later tell wizzyrea I hope to do that today, other stuff permitting.
22:35 jcamins eythian: how detailed are the subjects?
22:34 eythian jcamins: when you've got a minute, can you point me in the direction of how analytics should best be used? My scenario is articles of a journal/magazine being catalogued.
22:34 jcamins Alas.
22:34 jcamins rangi: I have another 70 to do.
22:34 rangi i only have 127 more mails to read now :)
22:33 rangi jcamins++ #thanks for all the bug status updating
22:24 jcamins rangi: not much point of that. It doesn't break functionality for anyone, and most academic libraries use copynumber.
22:24 rangi if you feel that strongly you should ask paul to revert it from master maybe
22:23 hdl have a nice evening.
22:23 hdl but I don't say more.
22:22 hdl mis-used un-documented feature
22:21 hdl you mean that kind of no-op flooding the code all over the place, and that some libraries envision as a bug, you spend days on and finally you find that it is not a bug... it is a misplaced feature...
22:20 jcamins Even if not, I don't think it's a serious performance issue.
22:20 jcamins hdl: index statistics should enable MySQL to compile that out of the query entirely.
22:19 hdl efficient ?
22:19 jcamins For those libraries that do populate copy number, it will be very helpful.
22:18 jcamins hdl: it becomes an efficient no-op for libraries that don't populate copy number.
22:18 rangi so null will drop it back to branch, enumchron, dateaccessiond
22:18 hdl no, but it doesnot make much sense to add order on an empty value
22:18 jcamins And date accessioned.
22:18 jcamins Nope. Just branchname.
22:18 rangi was just date accessioned
22:17 rangi hmm but it was never sorting on barcode anyway was it?
22:17 hdl s
22:17 hdl fwiw, copynumber is null in most libraries, where barcode is not. But who care
22:08 rangi cool
22:08 jcamins Yeah, 3.8.2.
22:08 rangi im leaning to 3.8.2 it seems to make sense to me
22:04 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=9520 <-- small change
22:03 rangi hold for 3.10 .. push for 3.8.2 .. opinions?
22:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3521 enhancement, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically
22:03 rangi bug 3521
22:03 * jcamins_away is.
22:02 rangi anyone about?
21:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #23 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:32 rangi sed wont either
21:32 rangi yeah, that makes sense
21:32 tcohen mysql doesn't like it
21:32 rangi ahh
21:32 rangi typo in the sites-conf.xml?
21:32 tcohen i used mkpasswd to generate the db user passwd
21:32 tcohen found it
21:31 rangi seems to be working here
21:31 rangi odd
21:31 rangi hmm
21:31 tcohen rangi, I cant see related changes there
21:26 huginn 04Bug 6913: enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create
21:26 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6913 <-- would be my guess
21:25 rangi nothing changed super recently in that script
21:24 tcohen m'kay
21:24 rangi id file a bug
21:24 tcohen Version: 3.8.0-1
21:23 rangi hmm what version tcohen ?
21:23 cait ´
21:23 cait the
21:23 cait looks like atypo maybe?
21:22 tcohen any hint?
21:22 tcohen sed: -e expression #12, char 17: unknown option to `s'
21:22 tcohen # koha-create --create-db kohatest
21:19 tcohen hi #koha
21:17 rangi https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
21:17 rangi yay equinox
20:29 rangi how not to motivate developers in one easy example
20:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5609 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, ASSIGNED , Holds Rewrite
20:29 rangi hmm bug 5609
20:18 oleonard Bye all
20:18 * oleonard decides to stop failing at getting anything to work and just quit instead
20:15 * slef rebuilds
20:14 * slef nukes fr-FR from orbit
20:14 slef I've non-git files there
20:14 slef oh it would
20:13 slef is in all the normarc files in prog/en/xslt - should I put them in fr-FR too? Shouldn't the translator be making them for me?
20:13 slef <!DOCTYPE stylesheet [<!ENTITY nbsp " " >]>
20:13 rangi slef: cash it is
20:12 sekjal fun new toy: Taconite JQuery plugin (http://jquery.malsup.com/taconite/). let's you write your JQuery behavior scripts as XML
20:12 cait but I agree - not too happy with the in the po flie
20:11 * slef looks where
20:11 cait I betnormarc is missing the fix tomake it work
20:11 cait there was a fix of adding nbsp for marc21 and unimarc
20:10 cait I have seen that before
20:10 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7733 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , HidePatronName not working on moredetail
20:10 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, dpavlin, Patch doesn't apply , Broken encoding in members home/search page
20:10 cait slef: I think it's from the po file
20:10 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Patch doesn't apply , anti-spam for opac-suggestions
20:10 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre OPAC improvements for 3.4
20:10 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7367 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General OPAC typo omnibus
20:10 slef @query nbsp
20:10 slef cait: looks like an XML typing problem. Someone used nbsp instead of whatever the unicode is.
20:10 cait jcamins++ for all the bug wrangling and release maintenance work
20:09 cait slef: looks like a translation problem in french normarc....
20:08 rangi My stop
20:07 slef wizzyrea: my build fails with # Failed test './blib/INTRANET_TMPL_DIR/prog/fr-FR/xslt/NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl parses' at t/00-valid-xml.t line 37. ./blib/INTRANET_TMPL_DIR/prog/fr-FR/xslt/NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl:166: parser error : Entity 'nbsp' not defined (+ 2 more)
20:04 slef rangi: cash I think but I must remember to take the cash processing book with me.
20:01 JoeLib001 Anyone have a link to a good tutorial on Authorities in Koha?
19:55 cait automagic!
19:54 rangi It does it all automagically now I've set it up
19:53 wizzyrea https://launchpad.net/~chris-bigballofwax/+archive/3.8.x-dailybuild (for those of you curious)
19:52 wizzyrea Ah i see it
19:52 rangi And u should find it
19:52 rangi Click on me on launchpad
19:52 wizzyrea sok, it can wait
19:52 rangi Can't get url from phone
19:52 sekjal once again, I toss out the idea of a patron record XML schema... would solve a lot of the extensibility and customization issues surrounding borrowers
19:52 rangi Hmm nope that's only for releases
19:51 wizzyrea ranig: this one? https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/koha-stable
19:49 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:49 rangi @later tell slef I wanna kick in a few pound for sponsorship from myself, do u prefer me handing u cash or PayPal
19:47 huginn jcamins_away: The entry for another available edition of the target item (horizontal relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase Other editions available: may be generated based on the field tag for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8]
19:47 jcamins_away @marc 775
19:46 rangi Slef: u about?
19:46 oleonard What is the 775 tag?
19:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8144 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, NEW , 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
19:46 oleonard Bug 8144
19:46 cait bye jcamins_away
19:44 jcamins So long, #koha.
19:44 jcamins Okay, time to call it a day and head home.
19:41 rangi Hopefully today
19:41 rangi Eythian planned to do 3.8.1 yesterday got sucked into other work though
19:40 rangi There are daily 3.8.x builds in my ppa
19:35 rangi :)
19:35 slef found it
19:35 rangi But there is
19:35 rangi Only if there wasn't one
19:33 slef should I be confused by the lack of v3.08.01 tag?
19:32 slef ok I don't understand that... let me rerun it
19:31 slef wizzyrea: ooh I should check on our compilation!
19:31 slef cool, got it
19:30 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
19:30 wizzyrea @later tell eythian when can we expect the 3.8.1 packages?
19:23 * thd runs off to work
19:23 thd slef: Yes, the US bullies grabbed the first code, 001 for too many things. :)
19:22 * slef emails them to ask why their phone number doesn't work
19:21 wahanui I know.
19:21 jcamins Yes, that's right.
19:21 jcamins Wait, hold on.
19:20 jcamins slef: 00 +1 XXX-XXX-XXXX
19:20 slef ok am I being dense... it is 001 and then the full US phone number isn't it?
19:13 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
19:13 slef Very true.
19:11 thd slef: All the various reuses of identifiers in MARC such as $3 or $0 are difficult to attend to correctly in system implementation and conformance to MARC standards, which is one reason we need to eventually have MARC as merely an import and export format.
19:08 wahanui I know. That's why I said it.
19:08 jcamins Very true.
19:08 jcamins Heh.
19:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework
19:08 wahanui somebody said the caching stuff was really cool. Bug 8092.
19:08 slef wahanui: the caching stuff?
19:07 wahanui slef: i haven't a clue
19:07 slef wahanui: that status?
19:07 slef I couldn't damn wahanui any more than that.
19:06 thd s/too/to/
19:06 wahanui current status is "Failed QA"
19:06 slef wahanui: current status?
19:06 wahanui circcontrol is set to...
19:06 slef circcontrol?
19:06 wahanui each $3 is in fact the id of the topic.
19:06 slef each $3?
19:06 thd cait: Definately, care has to be taken to not remove old features when adding new ones too avoid breaking things and merely substituting new bugs for old ones.
19:05 slef what about
19:04 thd Definately, one step at a time in slow pieces.
19:04 slef ha ha ha ha ha http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/4515617/Queens-Sandringham-gift-shop-has-sold-gollidolls-for-a-year.html
19:04 wahanui i guess evening is better for me - but not too late
19:04 mbalmer evening.
19:04 cait rewriting the search is one of them
19:04 cait there are lots of things to do
19:04 cait I think one step at a time
19:03 thd cait: We really need to move beyond MARC while preserving MARC for lossless import and export which is much much more work but a task with very great rewards.
19:01 thd Previous, 001s can be preserved in 035 $z as previously used cancelled numbers. Certainly, complying more closely with standards would be more work, however, standards compliance like 'being good' is partly its own reward :)
18:59 jcamins thd: I think the thing to do is have a cataloging plugin that will optionally put the same data in 001 as the biblionumber. Anything else would require too much work for dubious reward.
18:55 thd cait: Obviously, you have identified the problem of using previous 001s as the biblionumber for all cases. Using the biblionumber in 001 and updating all databases using the 001 is safer.
18:52 thd cait: Obviously, all systems using the biblionumber would need updating.
18:52 cait thd: not all 001 are numeric
18:52 thd cait: I am not suggesting making 001 the biblionumber but merely allowing it to be the same.
18:52 JoeLib001 Thanks, that should get me going. :-)
18:51 thd JoeLib001: We do not yet have those much better import tools or I have not taken the time to push some old code.
18:51 cait thd: it owuld need some work, because making 001 the bilbionumber would totally break our union catalog model and the record linking for us
18:51 jcamins JoeLib001: focus only on the biblionumber in 999$c.
18:50 thd However, we first need much better import tools which preserve the previous 001 values for reference.
18:50 JoeLib001 Mine's all kinds of messed up then. hehehe.
18:49 JoeLib001 :-)
18:49 thd In an ideal world 999$c would be the same as 001.
18:48 JoeLib001 Thanks. :-)
18:48 JoeLib001 Ah, I see. :-)
18:48 jcamins Biblionumber.
18:47 JoeLib001 Ok, match by biblionumber and What is 999$c?
18:47 thd slef: counting the lines beginning with "|" inside a column is easier for tracking columns than having rows on one line.
18:47 jcamins Another item on my to-do list.
18:47 cait JoeLib001: and duplicat 001 is not a good idea, but no yelling
18:47 jcamins There should be one by default, but isn't.
18:46 jcamins You should use a matching rule on biblionumber and 999$c.
18:46 jcamins JoeLib001: no, it will assign a new biblionumber.
18:46 JoeLib001 Will Koha yell at me, if I try to add a record with the same control number as another record?
18:44 thd slef: Using "|-" on a line alone as a row separator allows readable source for tables in which some cells have long content.
18:39 slef cait: oooh I could do with a refresh!
18:39 cait everyone, refresh :)
18:39 cait slef: fixed the formatting a bit
18:39 thd Maybe my discovery long ago had been examples of each cell on its own line. I do not remember correctly now but I am too tired to look properly.
18:38 slef I agree. Who/when/where isn't long.
18:37 thd If the cells have long content each cell on its own line might be helpful.
18:36 slef which confuses me
18:36 slef but some of the examples have each cell on its own line
18:36 thd :)
18:36 slef that's what I did
18:36 slef oh wait, each row has its own line
18:36 thd slef: No problem but tables are much easier to edit when each row has its own line.
18:35 slef thd: dang I just wrote it on one line because that was the easiest way to convert it from WikiText to MediaWiki format
18:35 cait so will add myself later
18:34 cait my dates on the desk at work...
18:34 slef Who arriving when? staying where?
18:34 slef anyone like me to add them to the table?
18:34 slef cait: it feels like it's only a few days before koha-community now, with all I know needs to be done!
18:33 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-23-18.02.log.html
18:33 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-23-18.02.txt
18:33 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-23-18.02.html
18:33 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 23 18:33:34 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
18:33 slef #endmeeting
18:33 slef Thank you all for taking part!
18:33 cait only few days before kohacon then :)
18:33 slef #info Next Meeting Wed 30 May 18:00 UTC in #koha
18:33 slef #topic Next Meeting
18:33 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers#Sign_up_here
18:32 slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers#Sign_up_here
18:32 thd Tables had been problematically on one line in the source code when we had started using MediaWiki until I started reformatting them on multiple lines following good MediaWiki examples.
18:30 slef nah got it now
18:30 cait ok, not sure I can, but will try
18:30 thd Always steal an existing one :)
18:30 cait hm page
18:30 cait slef: point me to the table, I can do it
18:29 jcamins Delegate to someone who is not me?
18:29 cait {| at beginning, closing at end
18:29 oleonard Use the wysiwyg editor?
18:29 cait slef: steal an existing one? ;)
18:28 slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Help:Tables
18:28 slef grrr how do I do a table?
18:27 cait slef++
18:27 slef trying to add it now
18:26 cait hm, might be interesting for all, but volunteers would be ok too I think
18:26 cait I think I arrive at the airport around 4pm, not sure about the exact time right now
18:26 slef a page, or a section on the Volunteers page?
18:25 cait so easier to meet
18:25 cait I mean people can add their dates and hotels themselves
18:25 slef cait: good idea!
18:25 cait slef: perhaps we should add a page to the wiki with where people are staying and when arriving
18:25 * thd is already passed out :)
18:24 slef before cait and me pass out? :)
18:24 slef Any more questions?
18:24 Oak night guys.
18:23 slef #idea meet up on Monday 4 June, 6pm, Library bar
18:23 jcamins slef: I know. I was clarifying that it's a good place to meet, even if you forget that.
18:23 slef it's in Teviot
18:22 jcamins thd: anyone in the area will know where it is.
18:22 wizzyrea apparently they have those all over the world. :)
18:22 slef yes
18:22 thd Is that the name of the bar, Library Bar?
18:22 wahanui okay, slef.
18:22 slef the Library bar is also a bar next to the conference venue, at the front of Teviot
18:21 wahanui the Library bar is the first branch created and foo is the second
18:21 thd What is the Library bar?
18:21 slef actually, I'll only ask that one... other one can be skipped
18:20 slef Do we want to meet up on Monday 4 June, 6pm, Library bar?
18:20 slef And two questions:
18:20 slef #info mle is sorting the network out, but we may need an extra access point
18:19 slef #info now barely enough sponsorship, following mass-emailing of support companies and some anonymous donations - thanks to everyone who has chipped in
18:19 slef #info now about 70 registrations
18:19 slef hrm, I should be noting this
18:19 cait I think you can't do more
18:18 slef I queried it and they've not replied. Not sure what was going on there.
18:18 slef so sent us their info, but aren't attending anything
18:18 slef in that case, they didn't tick any boxes
18:18 thd What is a failed registration?
18:18 slef thd: registrations are now about 70 and we're finally seeing more UK registrations and we've only just now had our first failed registration
18:17 slef thd: I think the main thing is I think we now have just enough sponsorship to avoid being absurdly spartan, following the mail-emailing of support companies.
18:16 wizzyrea mhm.
18:16 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero
18:16 wizzyrea cait?
18:16 wahanui okay, wizzyrea.
18:16 wizzyrea cait is also a hero
18:15 * cait is not
18:15 slef thd: yeah, "*** Katrin is a hero!"
18:15 slef And relatedly, is anyone not on the volunteers email list who wants to be?
18:15 thd Is there anything of general note on the roadmap?
18:14 slef Does anyone who hasn't seen it want to see it?
18:13 wahanui slef is an avid cyclist
18:13 cait slef?
18:13 slef I emailed a roadmap update to volunteers about an hour ago.
18:13 slef #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12
18:13 slef ok, let's move to this
18:13 slef cait: it wasn't meant f... oh wrong mail
18:13 cait travelling this week
18:12 cait slef: I haven't updated the wiki with the new info from your mail
18:12 slef any other questions?
18:11 cait screenshots should be no problem
18:11 slef #info or our phone numbers and international access numbers are on http://www.software.coop/contact/ but try for 9-5 UK time, please
18:11 jwagner Mine is mostly text, maybe 1-2 screenshots
18:11 cait safest then might be convertig to pdf
18:11 thd text rules
18:11 cait if you use the drawing options of powerpoint
18:11 cait I have bad experience with graphics
18:11 slef #info or koha AT lists.katipo.co.nz if can be made public
18:11 thd LibreOffice should work fine as long as you avoid some extreme features of PowerPoint. Be careful about trying to embed videos in a Power Point presentation.
18:10 slef #info email kohacon12 AT software.coop with any questions for most reliable answering.
18:10 jwagner OK, that was my question. Anyone else?
18:10 slef #info there will be an email with projector specs this week
18:09 slef jwagner: there will be an email with projector specs this week
18:09 jwagner Thanks
18:09 slef jwagner: I'm 90% sure we'll have time to check all files ahead of time.
18:09 jwagner as long as you can read the file
18:09 cait hm jwagner
18:09 slef jwagner: we should be able to read that, but may be using LibreOffice to display them.
18:09 cait jcamins: you could perhaps convert to pdf then
18:09 slef thd: heh. Not sure universities care if Microsoft own things.
18:08 jwagner OK, will work on that. The only format I can do is .ppt
18:08 slef I'd suggest sending over slides+script and maybe getting a volunteer to agree to help deliver it if all else fails.
18:08 thd Skype must be even more notorious now that Microsoft own it.
18:07 slef We'll find a way, but it'll won't be this week.
18:07 slef when I worked at a university, long ago, Skype was notorious... I don't know if it's still the same
18:07 jwagner Thanks
18:07 jwagner OK, I will await the (hopefully easy) instructions :-)
18:07 slef if you see what I mean
18:06 slef I'm hoping for something like linphone or ekiga or jitsi or something with video, or using something like Bambuser with a telephone back-channel? We may have a Grade A+ uplink so I'd prefer not trying to avoid Skype making us a backbone router :-/
18:06 jwagner I was going to get a Skype tutorial from a friend, but you don't want to use that?
18:06 jcamins jwagner: me either, but I'm sure it'll be easy.
18:06 jwagner I have no clue how to use any of that....
18:06 jcamins jwagner: mle should be back on Monday, at which point we'll try to get ekiga/linphone working. I'm in the same boat.
18:06 slef I'm hoping not Skype
18:06 slef ah, right, that's a shame but we should be able to do a remote presentation.
18:06 jwagner Is it Skype?
18:05 jwagner I am not going to be able to attend in person, but I can do my presentation remotely
18:05 slef or I'll go look for the email if it's not suitable for the public
18:05 slef jwagner: err. I don't remember it. What was the question?
18:04 jwagner Did you get my email of May 14? I haven't gotten an answer
18:04 JoeLib001 #info
18:04 wahanui now is probably good time with holidays coming up
18:04 slef jwagner: how about now?
18:04 slef #topic Questions
18:03 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, East Anglia... no, wait, that was last week... West Country, England
18:03 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
18:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:03 slef Please excuse my slowness but I don't have a script handy.
18:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
18:03 slef Welcome to a maybe very short KohaCon12 meeting. Please introduce yourself like wahanui just did, but putting #info at the start of a line.
18:03 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services
18:02 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:02 slef #topic Introductions
18:02 jcamins JoeLib001: can we try troubleshooting after the meeting?
18:02 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:02 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:02 huginn Meeting started Wed May 23 18:02:16 2012 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:02 slef #startmeeting
18:02 jwagner sure
18:02 libsysguy but the notice bit needed reworking http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Notifications_RFC
18:02 slef jwagner: can I take it in a maybe very short meeting?
18:02 * thd also needs to sleep but is still here :)
18:01 JoeLib001 It's not matching any of my records.
18:01 cait I havne' thad time to update the program on the wiki another time to add the abstracts
18:01 jcamins :)
18:01 jcamins cait sends her apologies because she needs to sleep.
18:01 libsysguy well i made the tools/overduerules a view
18:01 jwagner I have a question for slef
18:01 cait slef
18:01 slef superstar cait++
18:01 * thd is here
18:01 cait but not sure I won't fall asleep
18:01 JoeLib001 I am having issues importing the records I exported an edited.
18:01 cait here
18:01 slef not read my email yet - anyone here for the kohacon meeting?
18:00 sekjal I'd think notices would be a kind of View...
18:00 slef hi all
18:00 libsysguy I've only been able to put in a few days on it
18:00 libsysguy but porting the old stuff for that one section was not bad at all
18:00 libsysguy which is the new part for my proof of concept
18:00 libsysguy I am trying to figure out how I was to represent notices
17:59 libsysguy well I have been able to integrate the themes and come up with a basic wrapper for the front end, all the models were auto generated so that was made of win
17:59 sekjal libsysguy: how far are you along your project?
17:57 libsysguy [off] looks for mbalmer
17:57 libsysguy and it should help out with using different databases
17:57 libsysguy agreed to both of the above
17:56 sekjal it would really help separate out plumbing issues from actual design issues
17:55 jcamins libsysguy: any coherent file structure would be a great help.
17:54 libsysguy plus the file structure makes a lot of sense
17:53 libsysguy sekjal: and much much more
17:52 sekjal libsysguy: handles T:T, DBIx, Solr, Plack/PSGI and plugins very aptly
17:52 jcamins [off] Not using symlinks results in things like this: http://donum.numismatics.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=action-agent%3Ajce
17:51 libsysguy I don't know why I didn't think about it sooner
17:51 libsysguy sekjal, yeah it really is. I have used it before and thought it'd be perfect for Koha
17:51 jcamins For the simple reason that if that person does it manually, they will have to think about how they want to maintain it.
17:50 jcamins sekjal: my feeling is that person should be forced to do it manually.
17:50 sekjal jcamins: I can't see any good reason not to symlink, but maybe someone out there has one.... seems unlikely, but who knows
17:49 sekjal libsysguy: I read magnuse's G+ link, and Catalyst seems pretty awesome
17:49 libsysguy rumor has it that you are interested in the catalyst project im working on
17:48 libsysguy hey sekjal
17:43 jcamins With a warning along the lines of "you had better be *very* sure you want to do this, because it is very likely that you're just going to have a maintenance nightmare."
17:42 jcamins If others were less dubious about it, I suppose there's no reason it shouldn't be left as an option.
17:42 jcamins I, personally, would refuse to help anyone who used that option with troubleshooting Zebra issues.
17:41 sekjal hopefully no one will use it, and it can then be removed
17:41 jcamins I guess.
17:41 sekjal perhaps make the default setting the symlink, but leave copied files as a choice for legacy support
17:38 jcamins I'd sign off on a patch that added an option, of course.
17:38 jcamins (but run the code out of the git repo)
17:37 jcamins We don't make any allowance for people wanting to install just the templates.
17:37 jcamins (for this particular thing)
17:37 jcamins sekjal: the reason not to make it an option is because it makes maintenance harder, and troubleshooting unpleasant, if there are two options.
17:36 sekjal jcamins: I like options, myself... especially with as rarely as one does an install v. maintenance
17:35 sekjal hi, bag
17:35 jcamins Hi there, bag.
17:34 jcamins I even reported a bug at some point.
17:34 jcamins However, other than making it optional, I am in complete agreement. :)
17:34 bag heya jcamins and sekjal
17:34 jcamins Better to just do exactly that, IMO.
17:33 jcamins The dev install is described as "run Koha out of the git repo."
17:33 jcamins sekjal: I disagree with making it an option.
17:32 sekjal idea for Makefile.PL: if you chose dev install, provide an option to symlink Zebra configs on installation
17:23 jcamins chris_n: me too. Especially when testing Zebra-related things.
17:23 chris_n I wish I had a nickel for every minute I sit waiting on a computer
16:58 jcamins I use symlinks in mine.
16:58 jcamins Or just point directly into the git clone.
16:58 * jcamins reflects again on what a good idea it would be to have dev installs use symlinks.
16:55 jcamins Of course, there will be additional changes since you're upgrading through several months.
16:55 talljoy oh boy. a project. Thanks jcamins++
16:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority matching algorithm improvements
16:54 jcamins Bug 7284 lists them.
16:54 jcamins And possibly a couple other files.
16:54 jcamins etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/bib1.att should be updated
16:54 jcamins etc/zebradb/marc_defs should be entirely replaced.
16:54 jcamins Just about all the Zebra config files were changed.
16:53 talljoy yah...sounds like it.
16:53 jcamins Yeah, there's your problem.
16:53 talljoy hmmmm..... all that was done was git fetch for the new version
16:53 jcamins Zebra. authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, probably.
16:53 talljoy stale configuration? of what?
16:53 jcamins talljoy: you updated the Zebra configs for authorities, right?
16:53 slef jcamins: ta. If you can coordinate with mle to test it when he gets back (on Monday IIRC), that's safest.
16:52 jcamins talljoy: sounds like a stale configuration.
16:52 jcamins slef: sure.
16:52 slef jcamins: do you think you can get linphone or ekiga working with video, or using something like Bambuser with a telephone back-channel? We may have a Grade A+ uplink so I'd prefer not trying to avoid Skype making us a backbone router :-/
16:52 talljoy well, small database, it won't take me long to reindex. and no...no other information. just that one over and over and over and over
16:51 jcamins Is there another line in the error message?
16:51 jcamins I wouldn't have thought so.
16:51 talljoy i did reindex the authorities and was going to try the bibs next. this is a bib issue?
16:51 talljoy lol
16:51 jcamins Did you reindex?
16:51 jcamins Bib-1.
16:51 jcamins Oh.
16:51 jcamins Bib-q?
16:50 talljoy oops Bib-1
16:50 talljoy Auth error: Cannot sort according to sequence (207) Bib-q
16:50 jcamins What's the error?
16:50 jcamins You are?
16:50 talljoy but today...i'm getting an error when i run link_bibs_to_authorities.pl on 3.8
16:50 jcamins Yup. :)_
16:50 talljoy well, i'll see you digitally then.
16:50 talljoy oh, bummer.
16:50 jcamins :(
16:49 jcamins I won't actually be making it to KohaCon. I'll be presenting via Skype, or possibly via slef.
16:49 talljoy how are ya? saw you on the program from KohaCon. look forward to seeing you again.
16:49 jcamins I am indeed.
16:49 talljoy jcamins, you here?
16:48 cait hi chris_n :)
16:48 chris_n hey cait
16:48 cait but good :)
16:48 cait haven't seen much yet outside of the congress center
16:48 jcamins Hi cait! How's Hamburg?
16:47 JoeLib001 Thanks for the answers. Hopefully Koha will have a built-in batch editor sometime soon. :-) That would be awesome.
16:47 * cait waves
16:44 chris_n mostly
16:43 JoeLib001 QA is Quality Assurance?
16:42 JoeLib001 I was hopeful though. :-)
16:42 JoeLib001 I figured as much when I went looking and didn't find any information readily available. :-)
16:41 jcamins (and overlaying)
16:41 jcamins Then your best bet is exporting then reimporting.
16:41 jcamins Ah.
16:41 JoeLib001 There are no items associated with any of the records.
16:40 jcamins JoeLib001: you can batch edit items.
16:40 JoeLib001 I entered all of my periodicals records as "Reference" items instead of something more reasonable like "Continuing Resources". :-)
16:40 huginn 04Bug 5725: enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, laurence.lefaucheur, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios
16:40 hdl http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5725
16:39 jcamins There is a bug for a proposed batch edit function.
16:39 jcamins There is no batch edit functionality for bib records in Koha.
16:39 hdl JoeLib001: there is one in bugzilla.
16:38 JoeLib001 What I am actually looking for is a way to batch edit Marc Records in Koha. I can't seem to find any. I have used MARC Edit before, but that means I would need to export all of my records and then re-import them. Would be nice, if there was a batch edit option.
16:36 JoeLib001 Hehehe. :-)
16:36 wahanui jcamins: pas de quoi
16:36 jcamins Thanks, wahanui!
16:36 wahanui curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2009/05/curry-coconut-oatmeal-chocolate-chip-cookies/
16:36 jcamins curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?
16:36 jcamins Like so:
16:36 jcamins JoeLib001: that's what we use wahanui for.
16:35 JoeLib001 I probably should have a bookmark. ;-)
16:35 JoeLib001 Ah, no. That was what I was looking for.
16:35 sekjal thanks, oleonard!
16:30 oleonard Or do you mean Koha system logs JoeLib001 ?
16:29 wahanui the logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/
16:29 JoeLib001 Where are the logs?
16:29 oleonard sekjal: I can submit a corrected version
16:28 wahanui Fudge is the ambrosia of koha.
16:28 jcamins Fudge?
16:28 * chris_n hands oleonard more fudge
16:27 sekjal it also appears to be hardcoded to https:// for the current_url
16:27 oleonard I must not have attached the corrected patch.
16:27 oleonard sekjal: Oh, that's a typo. I thought I fixed it
16:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7932 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks
16:26 sekjal oleonard: QAing bug 7932... is there a template param [% en %], and if so, where is it exported?
16:24 jcamins wizzyrea will find it if there is one, I'm sure. :)
16:24 oleonard I hope the reason I didn't mark it 'needs signoff' before wasn't that I knew of some horrible bug which needed to be fixed first
16:21 * oleonard isn't sure why he didn't mark it as needs signoff before, but an updated patch was required anyway so there you go
16:21 wizzyrea oooh!
16:20 jcamins wizzyrea: oleonard just posted a patch to replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI autocomplete. :)
16:12 * jcamins was looking forward to singing the Internationale.
16:12 huginn slef: *click*
16:12 slef @roulette
16:12 huginn slef: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011)
16:12 slef @quote random
16:11 wizzyrea that's exactly what I was thinking..
16:11 wahanui somebody said nengard was fast
16:11 slef wahanui: nengard?
16:11 slef he, she wandered off before we got naughty
16:11 wizzyrea hehe
16:11 nengard ttyl
16:11 nengard thank you all!!
16:10 slef Greetings from Somerset, England.
16:10 sekjal greetings from MA
16:10 jcamins Hello nengard and librarians from CT!
16:10 wizzyrea hehe
16:10 slef Well, like yesterday!
16:10 wizzyrea NOW
16:10 slef When do we want them?
16:10 oleonard Hi from Ohio
16:10 slef Working Library Catalogues!
16:10 slef a demo? What do we want?
16:10 * wizzyrea waves from Kansas
16:10 nengard say hi to the librarians in CT :)
16:10 nengard hello #koha - I'm in a demo
16:09 slef jcamins: only been there once... but will visit again.
16:09 slef jcamins: only when I visit the US. Better exchange rate, plus I'm not trusting the USA with my main card.
16:06 jcamins slef: you have a dollar credit card? Do you visit the US a lot?
16:04 * wizzyrea flexes
16:04 * oleonard refers everyone to wizzyrea's history of performing citizens arrests for credit card fraud
16:04 wizzyrea i know right
16:04 jcamins wizzyrea: yes, but no one notices that they wrote "see ID" anyway.
16:03 wizzyrea so people who write see ID technically don't even have the right to use the card.
16:03 wizzyrea technically signing the card = acceptance of the card terms
16:03 oleonard jcamins: and then you say, "Naw, just kidding?"
16:02 jcamins If you write "this card is stolen" on the back, you'll be able to identify those places which do check.
16:01 jcamins That is, yes.
16:01 slef is that still so?
16:01 slef seeing as how you don't even check signatures over there... much less chip and PIN
16:00 slef which reminds me, maybe I should get a new dollar credit card before I next visit the US
16:00 slef yeah... it's a tough balancing act between ease of access and ease of fraud
15:59 jcamins Well, that's one (possibly the only) benefit to banking in the US.
15:59 * oleonard scoffs at jcamins having never seen European banking security regulations
15:59 jcamins Wow.
15:59 slef jcamins: I'm pretty sure it's taken us about a year to change the signatories on our current account...
15:58 jcamins Nope.
15:58 slef jcamins: have you *seen* European banking security regulations?
15:58 jcamins slef: what?
15:58 slef jcamins: hahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha
15:58 jcamins oleonard: there's always bug wrangling.
15:57 jcamins slef: you couldn't set up a separate account with *just* the money for the conference?
15:56 slef which it probably will but really, we're a gnat compared to the banking co-op's 12 million members
15:56 * oleonard thinks he needs something non-brain-taxing to work on today...
15:56 slef now we just have to hope that the co-operative bank will defend software.coop if Paypal tries to take all our money
15:55 slef welcome to banking
15:54 jcamins That's absurd.
15:54 slef jcamins: so we've BOGUd
15:54 jcamins Ah.
15:54 slef jcamins: Paypal to the co-op: "give us free access to your bank account, or else"
15:54 * magnuse wanders off to desert
15:54 magnuse ooh gotta love those sponsors :-)
15:54 jcamins Paypal restrictions?
15:53 magnuse i think it's based on their microformat-ish thinger... schema.org? rich snippets? not sure either...
15:53 slef Got our paypal restrictions lifted and added another sponsor to http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ - anyone else like to be added? If so, http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsoring-kohacon12/ awaits you.
15:53 jcamins Cool!
15:53 magnuse :-)
15:53 jcamins magnuse: I don't know anything about it, I just liked the results. :)
15:52 magnuse love the title of this: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/introducing-knowledge-graph-things-not.html "things, not strings"
15:52 magnuse jcamins: not sure about the api, need to do some reading...
15:48 jcamins Let Google figure out how to translate "Sergei Esenin" into an appropriate identifier.
15:47 jcamins magnuse: I wonder if they have any sort of API.
15:43 jcamins I think it receives my approbation.
15:42 jcamins Google redid their search.
15:42 jcamins Whoah.
15:17 jcamins That's the one
15:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5844 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Unhilight cuts off some strings
15:17 oleonard Bug 5844
15:16 oleonard I recall a similar bug
15:16 jcamins oleonard: I thought it was fixed.
15:16 jcamins oleonard: it's an old bug.
15:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8141 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Unhighlight option breaks keywords highlighted in staff client.
15:10 * oleonard can't reproduce Bug 8141
15:04 reiveune bye
14:55 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:55 jcamins @later tell eythian I'll be releasing 3.6.5 tomorrow. My thought is the short-term solution for packages is for me to set up a repo under cpbibliography.com, and then put the packages in the official repo once we've figured out how to do oldstable. Make sense?
14:54 wizzyrea slef that would be amazing.
14:54 jcamins (for 3.6.5)
14:54 jcamins I guess tomorrow I'll have to figure out how to set up an apt repo.
14:54 slef wizzyrea: I'll compile them if you want them now.
14:52 wizzyrea answer*
14:52 wizzyrea guess I should ping eythian for that ansewr.
14:52 wizzyrea packages for 3.8.1 - any uh, timeline for that?
14:51 jcamins I won't be putting Koha with MariaDB into production any time soon.
14:50 jcamins Of course.
14:49 chris_n absolutely no guarantees there
14:48 jcamins Cool, thanks.
14:48 chris_n so there you are
14:48 chris_n http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=wip/koha-fbc.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/k_bug_5366
14:48 chris_n and...
14:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Standing enh req for code changes enabling database agnosticism
14:48 chris_n bug 5366
14:47 chris_n jcamins: aha!
14:45 jcamins (if there haven't been any updates since then)
14:44 jcamins Actually, I'd argue that any bug where the patch was pushed prior to 3.6.0 should be closed.
14:43 * jcamins figured it was worth a try.
14:43 jcamins If anyone wants to do some bug wrangling, all bugs with a status of "Pushed to Master" and a version of "rel_3_6" need to be checked to see if they're already in 3.6. If they were incorporated prior to the release of 3.6.0, the bug should be closed. If after 3.6.0, a note to that effect should be made on them, and the status changed to Pushed to Stable.
14:41 jcamins Oh well.
14:41 chris_n well, it appears those changes are lost... sorry
14:37 chris_n there are only a very few gotchas which arise much later iirc
14:37 chris_n the installer runs fine
14:37 chris_n its been so long since I looked at it
14:36 chris_n there may be a bug
14:36 chris_n not atm
14:35 jcamins Are you going to be running Maria in production?
14:35 jcamins You should file bugs. :)
14:35 chris_n I may have a branch floating around which fixes the few issues I found
14:35 chris_n Maria is a bit stricter on syntax
14:35 edveal thanks jcamins
14:31 jcamins Pretty much? Have you run into any gotchas?
14:31 chris_n koha will pretty much run over Mariadb as-is
14:28 jcamins edveal: no experience authenticating ezproxy against Koha, sorry.
14:28 jcamins_away sekjal: I'm glad I'm not the only one looking forward to Koha on SQLite.
14:27 * kyleh just discovered Berkeley DB was purchased by Oracle. At least they can't by postgres.
14:27 hdl or mongodb
14:26 kyleh heh : )
14:26 * sekjal looks forward to trying to run Koha off of SQLite
14:24 * kyleh somehow missed the history tab at the top.
14:23 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=RFC_for_using_DBIx_Class_in_Koha&action=history
14:23 kyleh who wrote that? it looks good, but I get the feeling it has been there for awhile.
14:18 oleonard http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/RFC_for_using_DBIx_Class_in_Koha
14:08 kyleh again, I think we should move to DBIX::Class. It would make it so we rarely have to write actually SQL, and a byproduct would be database independence.
14:00 Oak kia ora #koha
13:55 kyleh agreed, id alone causes problems with table joins. in reality, we should prepend every field in a table, but it makes everything so much more tedious.
13:55 paul_p xxxnumber is quite long but I can live with it, xxxxid or xxxx_id are equivalent, maybe _id is easier to read
13:55 paul_p my opinion on the matter is : anything except id (only "id") and "no decision"
13:54 kyleh my opinion on the matter, for what it's worth is that table_id is short, and easy to read.
13:53 paul_p sekjal = the other option is to use the "discussion" workflow = call for discussion, time of 2 weeks, proposal, vote, decision.
13:51 sekjal props to all involved (kyleh, jcamins, gmchalrt, slef, anyone I'm missing)
13:51 sekjal functionally, the patch looks good
13:51 sekjal your call as RM. I'm not sure we'll get a clear response in any kind of reasonable timeframe, though
13:50 edveal hdl yep I think you are right. Just thought I would try here and see.
13:50 hdl I think jcamins_away or gmcharlt could have some experience with ezproxy though
13:50 hdl edveal: maybe sending an e-mail on koha-devel or koha list could be more productive.
13:49 paul_p sekjal = I disagree. I think it's the perfect case to start the discussion, decide something and not introduce more inconsistency !
13:48 sekjal we can clean it up once we know what to clean up TO
13:48 sekjal but, in the interest of expediency and not introducing potential problems, I'm passing it QA
13:48 paul_p back in a few minutes
13:47 paul_p sekjal = agreed ;-)
13:47 sekjal some consistency would be good
13:47 paul_p and decide something, add it to coding guidelines, and QA will be easier !
13:46 paul_p Maybe it's time to start a discussion on koha-devel for this topic !!!
13:46 paul_p primary keys column name can be: id (in authorised_values table), xxxid (cityid), xxx_id (label_id), xxxId (limitId), xxxcode (branchcode), xxxnumber (borrowernumber) => choose how to name PK and update schema accordingly
13:46 paul_p sekjal = look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/DB_schema_bugs#Column_names
13:45 edveal Is anyone out there using EZProxy and authenticating against Koha? If so can we discuss how you are doing it?
13:45 * sekjal is thinking out loud... and in doing so, convincing himself not to make the change
13:44 sekjal lots of other tables have the _id suffix for their primary key, so it's not unprecedented. It just loses the parallelism with biblio, biblioitems, items and borrowers
13:44 hdl you asked for comments.
13:43 sekjal my changing it from reserve_id to reservenumber wouldn't improve functionality at all, and it would provide a chance for typos or missed replacements to slip in.
13:40 hdl you are QA manager.
13:40 hdl but do whatever you want.
13:39 hdl fwiw reserve_id is just an other new way to call ids... There are at the moment more than two different. Do we need one more ?
13:32 sekjal thoughts?
13:32 sekjal not sure if that merits correction, or just a ::shrug:: and acceptance
13:31 sekjal larger: calls the primary key "reserve_id" instead of "reservenumber", as originally spec'ed in the bug report
13:31 sekjal first thing: the patch starts with DBrev = 3.08.00.XXX... easy change, but should be 3.09.00.XXX
13:30 sekjal hi, paul_p
13:30 paul_p (& #koha)
13:30 sekjal I'm not sure if they're actually issues, or just me being pedantic
13:30 paul_p hi sekjal
13:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , reserves table needs a primary key
13:30 sekjal I'm QAing bug 7065. the new patch looks good, but there are some minor issues
13:29 sekjal morning, #koha
13:09 magnuse jcamins++
13:06 jcamins Well, that's all the bug wrangling I can do this morning.
12:56 gmcharlt you'd think we didn't talk about Perl a lot in this channel
12:54 * chris_n is surprised wahanui did not know what perl is
12:54 wahanui it has been said that perl is different things to different people
12:54 chris_n perl?
12:54 chris_n Perl is different things to different people
12:53 chris_n perl?
12:53 chris_n what did you say perl was again?
12:52 * jcamins too.
12:52 * chris_n is totally distracted
12:52 jcamins It's a configuration setting.
12:52 chris_n so why even mess with $plugins? why not dictate it from the start?
12:51 chris_n ahh... right
12:51 jcamins The file will be in $plugins/Koha/Plugins/Org/CCFLS/PatronsList/Step1.pm
12:51 jcamins chris_n: yes, but the only directory in @INC is the parent directory.
12:51 chris_n but I'm probably missing some fundamental point :-)
12:50 chris_n so everything beyond "Org" might vary in name and depth
12:50 chris_n ie. Koha::Plugins::Org::CCFLS::PatronsList::Step1
12:50 chris_n jcamins: from his example it appeared that the plugin author would have some liberty regarding the subdir structure
12:46 * jcamins likes alliteration.
12:45 jcamins Plugins can only be stored in a plugin place.
12:45 jcamins No need for File::Find.
12:44 chris_n probably the release note building script could be mod'ed to update the status of the bugs it touches
12:43 jcamins At this point I think I'll just keep going on my march.
12:43 * chris_n used to keep up with that sort of thing before the schedule went south
12:42 chris_n jcamins: there are pre-canned reports which will return bugs addressed in most of my releases if you are interested
12:40 * oleonard kicks over the trash can for emphasis
12:40 oleonard sorry, I only open bugs.
12:38 jcamins If others wanted to close old bugs, that would be a Good Thing.
12:34 chris_n lol
12:33 oleonard It's not spam, it's delicious bugzilla goodness :P
12:33 chris_n hehe
12:33 jcamins Only another 135 to go.
12:33 chris_n jcamins++ # for doing a good job
12:33 jcamins chris_n: I apologized!
12:33 * chris_n gets spammed by bz
12:33 jcamins Anything that was pushed prior to the release of 3.6 is getting closed.
12:31 chris_n mtj++ # for signing off on QA work
12:31 oleonard jcamins++ # for bug-wrangling
12:30 chris_n but that could not be further from the truth ;-)
12:30 chris_n I used to think it was just the name of a perl module...
12:29 jcamins chris_n: sounds about right.
12:28 * chris_n has found a non-trivial bug in bugzilla's Search.pm :-P
12:28 chris_n Search.pm must be a special sort of curse
12:25 Amit_Gupta heya chris_n
12:25 wahanui niihau, oleonard
12:25 oleonard Hi
12:24 chris_n g'morning
12:14 kyleh jcamins: thanks!
12:12 jcamins kyleh: sure thing.
12:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System
12:12 kyleh jcamines: can you take a look at my newest comment on bug 7804?
12:10 jcamins hdl: francharb mentioned that you have an authority deduplicator. Is the code for that available anywhere?
12:09 jcamins hdl: good afternoon.
12:03 druthb :) glad to help.
12:02 vfernandes humm ok druthb.. thanks for the help :) i'm still studying the problem and the best way to migrate the data
12:02 jcamins Sorry for the e-mail volume.
12:00 druthb serials is the hard part. I've never done them, so I don't know--probably in the interface.
12:00 vfernandes the reports can be done by command line or only in the interfaces?
12:00 vfernandes only biblio, items, serials and borrowers will be migrated... the current checkouts would be nice to migrate but the client didn't paid for that :D
11:58 druthb Everything else you need--item data, borrowers, current checkouts, etc--can be had via reports. We have our partner libraries run reports, and send them to us tab-delimited.
11:58 jcamins 3.6.5 is due out tomorrow.
11:58 jcamins Right now I have some RMainting to do.
11:58 jcamins julian_m: me too! I will test when I can.
11:57 vfernandes i only have access to the server by SSH and the server with Millenium is still running so I have to be very carefully
11:57 julian_m jcamins, I hope the patch is ok this time :)
11:56 druthb I think there is a marc export from the command line, yes, and that's the piece that required Ian do all that extra work.
11:56 * jcamins waves back
11:56 * magnuse waves at jcamins
11:56 jcamins I was just asking about that patch yesterday or the day before, and today you rebased it against latest master!
11:56 vfernandes druthb can I do the export on the command line?
11:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
11:55 jcamins_away julian_m: bug 5888
11:55 druthb There are simpler ways than that; Ian had some pretty rough limitations on what he could do on that system.
11:55 julian_m jcamins_away, ?
11:55 vfernandes there is also a script that creates a MARCXML with the all the records: http://contribs.koha.org/revision_view.php?rid=19
11:54 jcamins_away julian_m++
11:54 vfernandes found some information incluing this presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/sekjal/becoming-truly-innovative
11:53 vfernandes this week i'm starting a migration to Koha from Millenium and i doing the "state of art"
11:53 druthb MARC21, in our cases.
11:52 vfernandes humm ok... MARC21 or UNIMARC?
11:52 druthb The way we did it, it doesn't matter which backend they're using; we do it all with reports.
11:51 vfernandes mysql or oracle?
11:50 druthb several times, yes.
11:50 vfernandes anyone here had done migration from Millenium to Koha?
11:49 magnuse o/
11:47 druthb Hi, Amit_Gupta. :)
11:47 Amit_Gupta heya druthb
11:36 vfernandes done... directly on the database :)
11:34 vfernandes i need to recover one deleted borrower...
11:24 vfernandes hi guys... theres is a easy way to pass on borrowers from the deletedborrowers table to the borrower table?
11:11 Amit_Gupta hmm
11:10 magnuse and it's not even the middle of summer yet
11:10 Amit_Gupta in Delhi
11:10 Amit_Gupta hmm
11:10 magnuse gah! that's hot!
11:10 huginn Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 39.0°C (2:30 PM IST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 7%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.43 in 997 hPa.
11:10 Amit_Gupta @wunder Dehradun
11:10 huginn Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 42.0°C (4:00 PM IST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
11:10 Amit_Gupta @wunder New Delhi
11:10 huginn Amit_Gupta: Error: No such location could be found.
11:10 Amit_Gupta @wunder Nagpur
11:10 huginn Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 34.0°C (2:30 PM IST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 18.0°C.
11:10 Amit_Gupta @wunder Bangalore
11:09 Amit_Gupta heya maguns_afk
10:58 magnus_afk kia ora NateC!
10:57 magnus_afk w00t!
10:57 huginn magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
10:57 magnus_afk @wunder boo
10:04 mib_o3rwth hi julian
10:03 mib_o3rwth hi
09:43 mib_wdyhhc i noticed it is not page number 50 but arrangment disturbed from title no 1001 i.e. when we reaced alphabetically at title no. 1001
09:33 mib_wdyhhc after arranzing the search result A-Z title wise, after page number 50 arrangment does not work please let me know solution/problem
09:30 mib_wdyhhc hello
09:24 vkm please tell me yr place of work
09:24 Amit_Gupta vkm: your name
09:21 vkm after arranzing the search result A-Z title wise, after page number 50 arrangment does not work please let me know solution/problem
09:17 vkm u r from?
09:16 vkm i am at iit roorkee
09:15 Amit_Gupta vkm: india
09:15 vkm you are from?
09:15 vkm hello amit
09:14 Amit_Gupta heya vkm
09:11 vkm hello all
09:10 rangi well once you file the bug you can then send a patch to fix it too
09:10 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bumping debian changelog
09:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #22: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/22/
09:09 nikhil ok thank u...hope to fix soo
09:08 rangi it will be the new css file
09:08 rangi you should file a bug at bugs.koha-community.org
09:07 nikhil sorry ...this is opac...check staff client of 3.8.1
09:06 rangi thats later than 3.8.1 and not there
09:06 rangi http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=the#
09:05 rangi i cant reproduce
09:04 nikhil but the problem is with 3.8.1.
09:04 nikhil yes ..that version 3.8.0 i think
09:03 rangi does it disappear here for you?
09:03 rangi http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=fish&limit=#
09:01 nikhil check it out
09:01 nikhil but when we click in the unhighlight option, the keyword highlighted will vanishes or disappear
08:59 rangi yes
08:56 nikhil after searching a keyword keyword will highlight with yello color
08:55 nikhil i want to point a problem with koha 3.8.1
08:54 nikhil hallo
08:33 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
08:33 rangi @later tell cait tested the german translation in 3.8.1 works for me
08:25 Oak bonjour samuel
08:24 rangi hi samuel
08:24 samuel hi everybody :-)
08:23 Oak i'll work on that now.
08:23 Oak i wish i can make my OPAC cool like these two...
08:20 Oak :)
08:20 Oak coool
08:20 rangi easy peasy :)
08:20 rangi its just html by the time it hits your browser
08:20 Oak aah
08:20 rangi from a rendered page
08:19 rangi cut and paste the html
08:19 * Oak wondering how to show Koha's search bar on top of a static page
08:19 rangi that they can edit and sftp
08:19 rangi just a static page
08:19 rangi yes but thats nothing to do with koha
08:18 Oak well, and the link here like http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/services/electronic.htm is a static page?
08:18 rangi plus a few static html pages
08:18 rangi no koha template changes at all
08:18 rangi thats all css and sysprefs
08:18 Oak and this one: http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ very nice also
08:17 Oak it's very nice though.
08:17 Oak hmm
08:17 Oak pages using Koha OPAC's template
08:17 rangi cant possibly tell
08:17 Oak what are they? HTML pages? or
08:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:17 Oak and their extension is .pl
08:16 rangi but the actual pages, they made those themselves
08:16 rangi making the links is fine, thats all in sysprefs and css
08:16 rangi yep
08:16 Oak did they manually create pages like "services.pl" like here: http://library.aeu.edu.my/cgi-bin/koha/aeu/services.pl ?
08:14 Oak guys, have a look at this please: http://library.aeu.edu.my/ and I am wondering how did the make those links like "Find Databases" at bottom, content area, or on right vertical column, "Our Services"... I mean they got Koha working like a content management system right?
08:08 magnuse oops, bbl
08:07 magnuse cool :-)
08:06 rangi wouldnt play well without some kind of persistance
08:06 rangi yep
08:05 magnuse and it would play well with plack or similar?
08:04 magnuse intriguing...
08:04 rangi its a framework, uses TT, its certainly worth playing with, and you could replace modules at a time, it would help enforce MVC
08:02 * magnuse knows nothing about catalyst...
08:01 magnuse koha + catalyst - does that make sense? https://github.com/libsysguy/koha-catalyst
08:01 cjh Topdog: that is a command you run from the machine where you have mysql installed
08:00 magnuse nais!
07:59 rangi https://code.launchpad.net/~chris-bigballofwax/+recipe/koha-3.8.x-daily
07:59 rangi offtopic
07:59 Topdog pls where do i run d script "mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql" 2 backup my koha database..
07:58 rangi i suspect something was hogging all the connections
07:57 magnuse yup
07:57 cjh yeap = its back up.
07:56 cjh rangi: yeap
07:56 rangi cjh: yep its my linode
07:56 Oak next time magnuse. you'll see!
07:56 rangi looks to be back now
07:56 Oak :-)
07:56 cjh rangi: I can ping it but nothing http
07:56 magnuse hah! :-)
07:55 Oak magnuse
07:55 Oak kia ora #koha
07:55 magnuse Oak
07:55 * magnuse can't reach it either
07:54 cjh rangi: a linode server?
07:54 rangi server is fine
07:54 rangi chrisc@li105-217:~$ w 07:53:52 up 407 days, 19:59, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.05
07:53 * cjh cant access it either :(
07:53 clrh lol
07:53 Joubu :-(
07:53 Joubu It's not just you! http://bugs.koha-community.org looks down from here.
07:53 clrh bugzilla is down?
07:50 magnuse Topdog: the answer also depends on how you installed - did you use the debian packages?
07:50 magnuse Topdog: have you seen http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha ?
07:50 Topdog pls how do i backup and restore koha database..
07:49 rangi heh
07:48 magnuse now what if the koha opac logo had the possibility to play songs on it?
07:48 magnuse morning
07:48 rangi evening
07:47 francharb ahaha
07:47 francharb I guess I can play something star wars song on it!
07:47 magnuse francharb: very avant garde :-)
07:47 francharb I will check this later and work on it
07:47 francharb ;)
07:47 francharb http://g.co/doodle/7vfjsu
07:47 francharb magnuse, and i just recorded something bad
07:45 magnuse and you can use the keyboard to play...
07:43 francharb awesome
07:43 francharb and there is a 4 track recorder too!
07:42 francharb anyway, have you seen that you can play keboards on google home page?
07:42 francharb LOL
07:42 alex_a francharb: c'est #koha ici
07:42 francharb wrong chan
07:42 francharb oups
07:42 francharb c'est barge
07:42 francharb c'est en l'honneur de moog
07:41 francharb vous avez vu l'animation aujourd'hui?
07:41 francharb https://www.google.fr/
07:41 alex_a thx francharb
07:41 alex_a :)
07:41 alex_a yes
07:40 francharb ;)
07:40 francharb in other words, is there a short term for "available for hold"?
07:39 francharb :)
07:36 alex_a reservable ?
07:35 alex_a English question: Can i use "holdable" to say that an item can be held, or is there an other word ?
07:17 Amit_Gupta heya Joubu
07:14 wahanui bonjour, Joubu
07:14 Joubu hi
07:13 julian_m hello
06:52 drojf good morning #koha
06:50 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
06:50 reiveune hello
06:47 Amit_Gupta heya hdl1
06:28 wahanui hey, alex_a
06:28 alex_a bonjour
06:13 magnuse kia ora #koha!
05:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7970 major, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Allow OPAC holds per library policy without default rule
05:26 Amit_Gupta Bug 7970
05:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5795 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer
05:26 Amit_Gupta Bug 5795
05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Tiny problems with calling GetShelf
05:25 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7788: [SIGNED-OFF] Followup: GetShelf call in addbybiblio script corrected
05:25 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 7788: [SIGNED-OFF] Remove two unused calls to GetShelf
05:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #21: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/21/
05:19 francharb :)
05:16 rangi Me too
05:16 rangi :)
05:15 francharb :)
05:15 francharb but in a week and a half, it's Kohacon! so I will work the more I can to get everything on track before!
05:14 francharb me too
05:13 rangi Hate when that happens
05:13 francharb I need to fix that!
05:13 francharb and the project itself is getting messy...
05:12 francharb :)
05:12 francharb I was obsessed by the migration I'm working on...
05:12 francharb hehe
05:12 francharb but it wasn't good sleep...
05:11 francharb I did get some
05:11 francharb well
05:11 francharb Hi rangi
05:11 rangi Did u get any sleep?
05:10 francharb good morning!
04:57 rangi Heh
04:57 eythian Sunday is going to break records
04:56 eythian http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington/wellington-city <-- check out the forecast for the next few days here...
04:56 cait hi eythian :)
04:54 eythian hi cait
04:52 cait hi #koha
04:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #21 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:22 druthb hiya, rangi. :)
03:22 rangi hi druthb
03:21 druthb o/
02:55 rangi cya later
02:55 chris_n g'night
02:32 chris_n will do
02:32 chris_n the bandwidth here is *very* narrow :-)
02:32 rangi ping me again tomorrow if its not there :)
02:32 rangi sweet
02:31 chris_n work is fine
02:31 rangi ahh you need it at work or at home? :)
02:31 * chris_n is home atm
02:31 chris_n no, but it is probably on my computer at work
02:30 rangi chris_n: did you get the link to the db dump?
02:30 eythian was supposed to start in May last year, but I see nothing that says that it did either.
02:29 rangi yuck
02:29 eythian via Inmarsat, so low bandwidth
02:28 eythian It's the same tech as airnz, so will probably be expensive too
02:27 rangi http://www.choosynomad.com/2010/10/singapore-airlines-announces-wifi-on-long-haul-flights-sqairlines/
02:26 rangi but nothing saying they ever did
02:26 rangi i see lots of press from 2010 about singapore to offer wifi
02:25 eythian cool
02:25 rangi yep
02:25 eythian satellite (what airnz uses) is a lot more expensive
02:25 rangi they plan to expand apparently its being trialled in oz too
02:25 eythian it relays through ground stations
02:25 rangi *nod*
02:25 eythian it will work for US domestic only
02:25 eythian ahh
02:25 rangi yeah
02:24 eythian I'm surprised someone like Singapore Air hasn't got onto a scheme like that yet.
02:23 rangi http://www.gogoair.com/
02:22 rangi virgin america does it
02:22 rangi $11 us for a 24 hour pass
02:22 rangi we need gogo
02:20 rangi insanely so
02:20 rangi yep
02:20 eythian but it's terribly expensive
02:20 eythian some of our ones do
02:20 chris_n airlines should offer broadband in-flight
02:19 rangi heh
02:19 chris_n use a satellite connection then ;-)
02:19 rangi hmm i will be on an airplane then
01:34 chris_n mtj: thanks :)
01:27 rangi heh
01:21 eythian http://git-animals.tumblr.com/
00:44 jcamins_away mtj++
00:35 mtj w0w 'Checks cyclomatic complexity' is pretty clever
00:33 rangi :)
00:32 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/731/checkstyleResult/?
00:32 rangi and if you want to really win bonus points
00:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
00:30 rangi bug 6679
00:30 mtj yes, agreed
00:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Copyright statements out of date
00:30 rangi as well as bug 4330
00:30 rangi when i get time i work on it
00:29 rangi there is a standing bug for fixing errors
00:29 rangi its unfair to fail a patch for existing errors imho
00:29 mtj ah yep 'At present only the directories in @dirs will pass the tests in 'Gentle' mode '
00:29 rangi well a lot of it, then the test switched on for there
00:28 rangi yeah that dir needs to be cleaned up, everything in there is a fail
00:28 rangi which is a fail
00:28 mtj t/00-testcritic.t seems to skip the C4 dir?
00:28 rangi jenkins will catch them .. but by then .. that means at least 3 people havent run them before that point
00:28 rangi so we dont create translation problems etc
00:27 rangi yep, but theres a bunch of other tests we should be doing too :)
00:27 mtj i guess my method is the quick/dirty way (its only testing the files that were modded by he commi t)
00:26 rangi xt/author/translatable-templates.t
00:26 rangi as well as
00:26 rangi xt/permissions.t
00:26 rangi xt/tt_valid.t
00:26 rangi plus the xt/ ones
00:25 mtj oooh, thats new to me :)
00:21 rangi as a bare minimum
00:21 rangi ahh=all
00:21 rangi ahh the 00 ones are good to run
00:21 rangi wont let me commit if it fails
00:21 rangi its a pre-commit hook
00:20 rangi i run t/00-testcritic.t
00:20 mtj .. it passed OK, etc
00:20 mtj so for the quotes stuff - i squashed the 18 commits into 1, then ran the script
00:20 rangi cool
00:19 mtj http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=koha-qa-tools/.git;a=blob;f=git-perlcritic.pl
00:19 mtj fyi: i have a little QA script that runs a perlcritic test, on the last commit
00:12 mtj gotcha
00:11 rangi should be fine
00:11 rangi you'll have to go signed off, then passed qa
00:11 mtj by jcamins
00:11 mtj yes
00:11 rangi had the patches all been signed off before you signed off on them?
00:10 mtj tho, that status is poss. incorrect
00:10 mtj current status is 'needs signoff'
00:10 mtj i can see the 'failed qa' option
00:10 rangi whast the current status?
00:09 mtj hmm, i cant find the 'pased-qa' status ?
00:08 rangi was that what you meant?
00:08 rangi if you just qaed them though, and add a git sign off, and the status was signed-off before, you can switch it to passed-qa now
00:07 rangi if you mean the status in bugzilla
00:07 rangi hmm signed-off = signed-off
00:06 mtj so, 'signed-off' == 'passed-qa' , in BZ?
00:01 rangi mtj++