Time  Nick           Message
01:02 * jcamins_away informs whoever is around that flip_headings.pl Mark 1 appears to be working pretty well.
01:02 Oak            \o
01:04 jcamins_away   Oak: my heading flipper script appears to work. And I will now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. :)
01:04 Oak            :) cool
01:05 Oak            jcamins++
01:05 * Oak          is researching what is the proper way to hold the steering of a car
01:06 jcamins_away   Oak: at ten and two. http://www.driversedguru.com/drivers-ed-training-exercises/stage-1/stage-1-steering-methods/
01:07 * jcamins_away has never seen someone turn a car without crossing their hands.
01:07 Oak            aaah. i am also seeing this 10 and 2... everywhere.
01:08 jcamins_away   Oak: that's because it's the right way to position your hands.
01:08 Oak            my father saw me driving with 9 and 3 position and has be nagging me that i hold it wrong
01:08 Oak            hmm
01:09 jcamins_away   I suppose if it works for you there's nothing wrong with it.
01:09 jcamins_away   The reason not to put your hands at 9 and 3 is that it's much harder to make small adjustments.
01:09 Oak            hmm
01:10 jcamins_away   It's easier to _pull_ the steering wheel _down_ than push it up.
01:10 jcamins_away   You know, this reminds me of something: I'm so glad I practically never have to drive anymore.
01:10 Oak            i should at least try 10 and 2. never liked to put my hands high-ish. so. but i should try definitely.
01:11 Oak            :) why who drives for you now?
01:11 jcamins_away   I live in New York.
01:11 Oak            ah
01:11 Oak            got it
01:11 jcamins_away   No need to drive at all. :)
01:11 Oak            :)
01:11 jcamins_away   It's great!
01:12 Oak            cabs and trains?
01:12 Oak            and walking is sometimes faster to reach somewhere i hear
01:12 jcamins_away   Trains, and sometimes buses, when it's too far to walk.
01:13 jcamins_away   About twice a week I walk from uptown to midtown, though.
01:13 Oak            NY!
01:13 Oak            cool. walking is nice in new york i'd think
01:13 jcamins_away   Meh. It's loud, crowded, and dirty.
01:13 jcamins_away   But at least it's not claustrophobic.
01:14 Oak            hmm :)
01:24 Oak            hmm: http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/22/10795756-get-with-the-times-youre-driving-all-wrong?lite
01:25 Oak            and http://seniordriving.aaa.com/improve-your-driving-skills/handle-unexpected-situations-emergencies/avoiding-crashes-emergency
01:34 jcamins_away   Interesting.
01:36 Oak            yup :) and saw one very good video on another topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYdPSEYX7ms&feature=relmfu
01:37 Oak            and parallel parking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xckP_BvClrM&feature=related
01:37 jcamins_away   I hate parallel parking.
01:38 Oak            that video makes it look so easy
01:38 Oak            i'll surely try what they are saying... makes sense
01:39 Oak            well, 6:45 am here on a Sunday. i'll go back to sleep.
01:39 Oak            later jcamins_away ... be back in may be 2 hours.
01:40 jcamins_away   Bye.
02:22 jcamins_away   @later tell rangi Do we have a concrete reason not to use XML::LibXML::SAX other than "parsers other than XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser are funky"?
02:22 huginn         jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
02:47 jcamins_away   @later tell fredericd Are there still problems with parsers other than MARC::XML::File and  XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser?
02:47 huginn         jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
05:32 eythian_       http://ubuntuone.com/2SbJUDbDeVCebuqZUoKB2Z <-- kohacon talk planning in progress
06:30 eythian_       http://ubuntuone.com/7cdBHELpbg1yOEnN7EiDwd <-- an hour further into the talk planning
06:41 nihkil         hallo
06:43 nihkil         nobody here?
06:45 nikhil         hallo
06:47 nikhil         i have some doubt about koha 3.80
06:48 nikhil         i have some doubt about koha 3.8
06:48 nikhil         hallo
06:48 nikhil         nobody here
06:53 eythian_       @later tell nikhil just ask your question, don't ask about asking.
06:53 huginn         eythian_: The operation succeeded.
07:34 cait           hi #koha
07:35 rangi          hi cait
07:35 cait           evening rangi
07:36 eythian_       hi cait
07:36 cait           evening eythian
07:37 eythian_       http://ubuntuone.com/2Q5rY0k3riHXlyMXN8SPqZ <-- current talk plans. Comments welcome
07:38 rangi          looks like a good outline
07:39 eythian_       comments that'll help me fill it out a bit more welcome ;)
07:39 cait           :)
07:39 eythian_       though, I think it'll probably pretty much about right time-wise
07:39 eythian_       once I've finished the bits I haven't done yet
07:40 * eythian_     finds the Cabin Pressure series to be pretty good for planning a presentation to.
07:40 eythian_       Also, beers
07:41 cait           heh
07:42 eythian_       cait: reminds me, I hope you know all the good breweries in and around Konstanz for me to investigate.
07:43 cait           I might be not the best source for that
07:43 eythian_       You're a poor German ;)
07:43 cait           I am
07:43 cait           in this regard
07:43 eythian_       Aside from the organisation stress thing :)
07:43 cait           but I am also a librarian, you will get your information
07:43 wahanui        okay, cait.
07:43 eythian_       haha
07:43 cait           lol
07:43 eythian_       excellent :D
07:43 eythian_       wahanui: cait
07:43 wahanui        That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information
07:43 cait           lol
07:46 eythian_       I wish untapped would let me specify a location
07:46 cait           ?
07:47 cait           well, I know one place at the harbour with good beer, because I have a friend who started to study brewery before he got to be a librarian
07:47 eythian_       http://untappd.com/user/eythian
07:47 cait           so I can send you there first :)
07:47 eythian_       ah well that's definitely sounding like a good start
07:48 nihkil         hallo
07:48 eythian_       nihkil: you should ask your question :)
07:48 nihkil         anybody  here
07:49 nihkil         ok
07:49 nihkil         i have updated koha from 3.6 4 to 3.8 ...but when tha database restored it shows three errors
07:50 eythian_       during the upgrade?
07:50 eythian_       what are the errors?
07:50 nihkil         yea
07:50 eythian_       It's _probably_ OK, but let us know what they are and we should be able to confirm.
07:50 nihkil         but the installation went ok
07:51 nihkil         i think all are working greately.... except errors
07:52 eythian_       Can you be more specific about the errors
07:52 nihkil         sure
07:52 nihkil         just a minute
07:53 nihkil         i cna give detail about it later... now i have an anothor problem
07:54 eythian_       I like how the kohacon programme includes Elevenses. That's something that should be more popular. Also, it's in my spellcheck apparently.
08:07 * eythian_     buys a bluetooth mouse to carry in my laptop bag. Pity Microsoft still makes the best mice.
08:12 cait           true
08:16 eythian_       At least my laptop now has an Ubuntu button instead of a windows button.
08:19 cait           :)
08:19 cait           mine still has a windows button.... and will have for a while longer
08:19 cait           it's still quite new
08:20 eythian_       Mine is very new
08:20 eythian_       And delightfully powerful.
08:25 rangi          ouch
08:26 rangi          http://www.wiscnews.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_299c492c-a12c-11e1-9782-001a4bcf887a.html
08:26 rangi          i wish they had it made it clear it was liblime's version, i hate to see Koha tarred with that same brush
08:27 cait           eythian: what did you get?
08:27 eythian_       erk. So my parents ISP has: 1) prevented relaying through their server with a username/password, 2) enabled SPF so that using any other relay indicates it may be spam. This prevents any smartphone user (like my mother) from using their email on their phone away from home.
08:28 rangi          how silly
08:29 eythian_       http://zareason.com/shop/Alto-3880.html <-- cait, this but with the specs increased.
08:30 eythian_       it is quite
08:30 cait           looks familiar
08:30 cait           :)
08:31 eythian_       to me too, because I have one in front of me right now.
08:33 cait           was more thinking about rangi's
08:33 eythian_       well you weren't specific
08:34 eythian_       rangi: that's pretty terrible
08:34 eythian_       although despite the fact it's Liblime, I'd still give good odds that it's really workflow issues with the library.
08:35 rangi          yep
08:35 cait           hm not sure
08:36 cait           being slow and double calling patrons?
08:37 eythian_       Well, "response time, searching" isn't defined.
08:37 eythian_       Double calling could well be.
08:37 eythian_       Multiple people running the same report, or something like that.
08:38 cait           hm yes
09:02 chilts         eythian_: how souped up did you get the Alto?
09:03 eythian_       chilts: 8GB, i7 (the cheaper one), 500GB HD + 4GB SSD buffer. Also extra charger and battery.
09:04 eythian_       It's very quick
09:04 chilts         and it's "delightfully powerful" you say ... that sounds a bit like what I want :)
09:04 chilts         I probably won't get as muchhard drive space, maybe 6G or 8G depending on price
09:05 chilts         (actually, only comes in 4, 8 or 16G - 8 it is then) :)
09:05 eythian_       chilts: well, it's 500GB. The SSD part is just to make it faster
09:06 eythian_       But the 8GB was sizably more expensive
09:07 eythian_       Also, it only comes in 4 and 8, so maybe you're looking somewhere else
09:07 chilts         ok ... important this one, Tux or Ubuntu logo?
09:07 eythian_       I got Ubuntu
09:07 eythian_       rangi got tux
09:07 chilts         I'd get Tux :)
09:07 chilts         even though I use Ubuntu
09:07 eythian_       I didn't put a lot of thought into it :)
09:07 chilts         when I said 6G or 8G above, I was referring to memory (even though it was on the same line as the hdd)
09:08 eythian_       It's not on the same line as the hdd
09:08 chilts         and did you get charged GST on the way in?
09:08 eythian_       it's the line above
09:08 eythian_       yes
09:08 chilts         09:04:28 < chilts> I probably won't get as muchhard drive space, maybe 6G or 8G depending on price
09:08 chilts         same line :)
09:08 eythian_       That's very confusing :)
09:09 chilts         I know, that's why you were confused
09:09 chilts         but that's only 'coz HDDs now have memory
09:09 eythian_       The main impetus for mine is that I'm spending a few months in Yurp from june, and need a development machine.
09:09 eythian_       This is an ideal dev machine
09:10 eythian_       Oh, if you don't mind waiting, they're setting up a shop in wellington
09:10 eythian_       Not sure of the timeframe, but this year some time.
09:10 eythian_       ibeardslee may know if he's about
09:10 chilts         yeah, I've been speaking to Cathy on Twitter a lot since she's been here
09:11 eythian_       ah right
09:11 chilts         am just wondering about what you got charged on the way in
09:11 chilts         if any
09:11 eythian_       15%+~$25 or so
09:12 chilts         righto, so the $25 is an additional charge for clearing or something
09:12 chilts         cool
09:12 eythian_       I factored that in to my calculations, but tbh I think this laptop will last me a good long time.
09:12 eythian_       yeah
09:12 eythian_       MAF
09:12 chilts         yeah, should be a while
09:12 chilts         of course I'd claim the 15% back anyway
09:12 chilts         so I shouldn't worry :)
09:12 eythian_       Ah, nice
09:12 eythian_       Had I been smarter, I would have bought it through catalyst and done that too
09:12 chilts         heh, true :)
09:13 eythian_       given I'll be using it for work anyway
09:13 chilts         yeah, might have worked out well for you
09:13 chilts         yurp==europe?
09:13 eythian_       But mostly it's nice having something where I know that it'll come back from suspend, and when I plug a projector in it magically works.
09:13 eythian_       yeah
09:13 eythian_       Going for KohaCon and staying for a few months
09:14 cait           :)
09:14 chilts         yeah, coming back from suspend is one of my new must-haves :)
09:14 chilts         ok, gotta scoot ... night all &
09:14 eythian_       I've actually had good luck with that, there was a time where my old old laptop didn't
09:14 eythian_       then a new upgrade came out and it did
09:14 eythian_       since then, everything has worked
09:14 eythian_       I think it's 90% solved in Linux
09:15 eythian_       later
09:15 cait           later
09:17 * cait         starts with her accounting homework
09:32 eythian_       http://ubuntuone.com/0lbsxOF3AtO49hCLrarCgM <-- think I've finished with my talk planning
09:32 eythian_       Now I just need to do with my packaging talk
09:32 eythian_       That should be mostly demonstration though, so not so big.
12:30 druthb         o/
12:30 jcamins        o/
12:41 * cait         waves
19:13 cait           wahanui: 6 * 35
19:13 wahanui        210
19:18 ibeardslee     chilts, eythian etc .. there has been some vague discussion about getting a silver fern sticker to replace that warped box on the key (zareason lappies)
19:47 rangi          Morning
19:47 jcamins        Happy birthday!
19:47 rangi          @wunder nzwn
19:47 cait           Happy birthday :)
19:47 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 4.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on May 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
19:47 rangi          Brr
19:48 rangi          Thanks
19:51 pastebot       "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "Fun exercise in query optimization!" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/401
19:52 jcamins        I have successfully seized up my db with that query, on a small dataset!
19:53 * jcamins      sighs, and turns it back into two queries.
19:53 cait           what are you trying to do?
19:53 jcamins        cait: I want a list of all biblios with a count of the number of issue statistics related to each biblio.
19:54 cait           hmm
19:54 rangi          Have u tried an explain on it?
19:54 jcamins        rangi: yeah, it's going through all records on biblio and statistics.
19:55 cait           hm
19:55 cait           I wonder
19:55 cait           do we really need bilbio items and statistics
19:55 cait           ?
19:55 cait           you want total issues per biblio?
19:55 jcamins        cait: unfortunately, yes.
19:55 jcamins        Exactly.
19:55 cait           although I am not sure that is useful
19:55 jcamins        Very useful here.
19:56 cait           no need ot factor in the number of items?
19:56 jcamins        Right.
19:56 jcamins        I don't care how many items there are.
19:56 cait           what do you need it for?
19:56 jcamins        Popularity.
19:56 jcamins        To populate 942$0.
19:57 jcamins        I guess I'll split it into two queries.
19:59 rangi          It's a one off? To fix it eh?
19:59 jcamins        rangi: not entirely.
20:00 jcamins        It could also be used if you want to repopulate your popularity data with only checkouts in the last month.
20:00 rangi          Ahh ok
20:00 cait           jcamins: I am not sure items are not important here
20:01 jcamins        cait: they're irrelevant because I'm populating biblio data not item data.
20:01 cait           hm
20:02 cait           I think I should go back to do accounting :)
20:03 jcamins        Yes you should.
20:03 jcamins        Accounting is important.
20:03 cait           hmpf
20:05 rangi          Yes
20:05 cait           hmpf
20:05 jcamins        Okay, that worked.
20:05 jcamins        68 seconds.
20:06 jcamins        In test mode.
20:06 jcamins        For 164k records.
20:06 rangi          Nice
20:07 jcamins        Should I try non-test mode?
20:07 rangi          After a backup :)
20:07 jcamins        Good plan.
20:09 jcamins        This is going to take a while.
20:11 rangi          My stop bbiab
20:15 kathryn        hiyas
20:15 cait           hi kathryn :)
20:16 kathryn        hey cait, it was a two-wooley-hats day on the ferry today brrrr
20:16 cait           brrr
20:16 cait           @wunder Konstanz
20:16 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on May 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.57 in 1001 hPa (Falling).
20:16 cait           quite warm here today
20:16 kathryn        @wunder Wellington nz
20:16 huginn         kathryn: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 4.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on May 21, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
20:20 ibeardslee     brrr .. come back summer, I'm sorry
20:21 rangi          frosty
20:22 kathryn        what did you do to scare it away ibeardslee?
20:22 cait           ibeardslee: sorry, summer is here now and is going to stay for a while :)
20:22 ibeardslee     summer .. it has no commitment
20:37 rangi          slef: you awake, near a computer?
20:40 rangi          i guess i should write a blogpost about the userday
20:47 cait           yes, you should :)
20:48 cait           kohacon12 program is http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/
20:48 rangi          yay!
20:58 * ibeardslee   as a couple of days to work on his flexbility to fold himself suitcase sized
20:59 cait           lol
21:07 jcamins        LEFT JOINs with more than two tables don't work the way I thought they would, do they?
21:07 jcamins        (answer: nope)
23:56 jcamins        My dinner just exploded.
23:57 eythian        That sounds not ideal
23:59 ibeardslee     not a pie was it?