Time  Nick            Message
00:15 Judit           hi
00:29 Judit           if i see a mistake on the wiki site, i can just edit it, right
00:29 Judit           ?
00:34 jcamins         Judit: of course.
00:34 Judit           good, because i did
00:34 Judit           :)
03:09 Space_Librarian o/
03:38 Oak             kia ora #koha
04:14 druthb          o/
04:16 Space_Librarian \o
04:17 * druthb        squeeeees
04:17 druthb          hi, Space_Librarian! :D
04:17 Space_Librarian hey hon
04:17 druthb          how are ya?
04:19 Space_Librarian I'm well. you?
04:22 druthb          Doing well.  Last full day in Amman today.
04:23 Space_Librarian And? Looking forward to going home?
04:23 druthb          yes, I'm ready to see my kid and my cats and wizzyrea.  :)
04:23 Space_Librarian :D
04:23 * druthb        has gotten spoiled with wizzy-hugs since she moved to Lawrence in December.
04:30 bag             heya druthb
04:30 druthb          yo, bag!  BEST BOSS EVAR
07:52 rangi           @wunder edinburgh,uk
07:52 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 8.7°C (8:51 AM BST on May 17, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
07:52 rangi           @wunder nzwn
07:52 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on May 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
08:03 slef            hi all... sorry for the disruption yesterday
08:04 rangi           hey slef
08:09 cait            hi slef
08:33 cait            slef: around?
08:33 slef            cait: sort of
08:33 cait            can you take some time to look at the schedule and give me some feedback?
08:34 slef            cait: will do!
08:35 bag             heya rangi
08:35 bag             yo slef and cait
08:36 bag             @wunder 93109
08:36 huginn          bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.0°C (1:35 AM PDT on May 17, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Steady).  Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Thursday... 
08:36 rangi           hey bag
09:20 rangi           ebsco wants us to open the firewall for a range of 65k ip addresses ... ill get right on that
09:20 rangi           eggs
09:21 jcamins_away    Hehe.
09:22 jcamins         I have trouble believing that EBSCO really has a /16.
09:23 rangi           they reckon they do
09:23 rangi           and maybe they do, but im pretty sure they dont use them all!
09:23 jcamins         That's a rather large IP block..
09:23 rangi           yup
09:24 rangi           you could buy up big chunks back in the day
09:24 jcamins         That's true, and I guess EBSCO _has_ been around for quite a while.
09:24 rangi           but i would bet my house they dont need to connect to a koha z3950 server from ALL of them
10:05 slef            whois IP.ADD.RE.SS should tell you what netblock they have
10:05 slef            and is that Martians that EBSCO is vulnerable to, then?
10:05 * slef          tries to remember if that's the jargon for a faked IP address in someone else's netblock
10:07 rangi           :)
12:02 oleonard        Hi #koha
12:03 jcamins         Good morning, oleonard.
12:06 * oleonard      grumbles about being stuck in a building which blocks git and IRC traffic
12:07 jcamins         oleonard: ick.
12:07 jcamins         You could clone over http.
12:09 jcamins         I think this is the correct URL for cloning with HTTP from github: http://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha.git
12:09 jcamins         Possibly you have to use https.
12:47 oleonard        Back later
14:09 libsysguy       has anybody seen the java version of koha?
14:10 oleonard        the wha?
14:10 libsysguy       i saw a repo the other day for a jsp version of koha
14:10 jcamins         libsysguy: what?
14:10 libsysguy       its probably not maintained
14:10 libsysguy       i didn't pull it and look
14:10 jcamins         Are you kidding?
14:10 libsysguy       heh
14:10 libsysguy       no im not
14:10 * libsysguy     is trying to remember where I saw it
14:11 oleonard        http://sourceforge.net/projects/jkoha/ ?
14:11 libsysguy       https://www.ohloh.net/p/jkoha
14:12 oleonard        Registered 2005-10-20, Last Update 2005-12-03
14:12 jcamins         Heh.
14:12 libsysguy       yeah definitely not maintained
14:13 jcamins         Why would anyone do that?
14:13 oleonard        too bad, I was hoping to run Koha on my toaster.
14:13 libsysguy       maybe they heard that jsp was for "enterprise class" websites
14:14 libsysguy       err webapps**
14:14 jcamins         lol
14:17 * oleonard      imagines that one guy still running that one instance of "jkoha" out there somewhere
14:21 oleonard        I have to say, it's been a long time since someone popped in here to say "You should rewrite Koha in X programming language"
14:22 libsysguy       well I suppose perl fits pretty well
14:22 libsysguy       but you know we should rewrite koha in nodejs :p
14:22 libsysguy       ^^ is a joke
14:22 libsysguy       for the record lol
14:24 jcamins         oleonard: did people use to do that?
14:25 maximep         there are compatible OPAC in other languages, right ?
14:25 oleonard        I remember it happening a few times. Probably PHP and maybe Python, I can't remember.
14:25 jcamins         maximep: no.
14:25 jcamins         maximep: there are discovery layers, but that's a bit different.
14:30 talljoy         Does anyone know what causes the 880 tags to display in Koha?  I know that they get identified and the span class m880 is applied, but what identifies them?  I have two marc records where one in the display one has span class m880 used and the other is not.
14:30 jcamins         talljoy: there are a bunch of places where 880 is displayed. Probably one of them doesn't call the m880 template correctly.
14:31 talljoy         i can't figure out why one record would and one record wouldn't.
14:33 talljoy         it's almost as if there is some difference in the marc that would result in this.
14:33 jcamins         talljoy: the 880 is probably linked to different fields?
14:34 jcamins         talljoy: do you have links to the records?
14:34 talljoy         heres the link to the opac showing the difference.  the first one has the hebrew displayed on the left, not the right while the others are displayed on the right.  http://catalog-comm.bjesf.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=callnum&q=pj&sort_by=acqdate_dsc&addto
14:36 jcamins         Peculiar.
14:36 talljoy         ikr
14:38 jcamins         My guess is that the character set marker was stripped out.
14:38 jcamins         *character set marker _marker_
14:39 talljoy         the 066?
14:40 jcamins         No, the field orientation flag.
14:40 jcamins         This was converted into Unicode.
14:41 jcamins         I'm just speculating, though.
14:41 talljoy         where is the field orientation flag?  in the actual 880 field?
14:41 jcamins         Yup.
14:42 talljoy         you may be right.  is it a hidden character?
14:42 jcamins         Yeah. 0x200F, maybe?
14:42 jcamins         Wait.
14:42 jcamins         Actually, I may have that backwards.
14:43 jcamins         I think it's definitely the field orientation flag, but thinking about it logically, I think that might be automatic in Unicode.
14:45 jcamins         Ah, got it.
14:46 jcamins         It is required by Unicode, but it is not generally provided in MARC records, so the m880select template probably adds it.
14:47 jcamins         ^^ that is a hypothesis. One would need to look at the code to find out.
14:48 talljoy1        [off] fucking internet
14:48 talljoy1        oops  sorry for the potty mouth.   wrong window.....heh
14:48 jcamins         At least you remembered [off]. ;)
14:48 * talljoy1      has some manners.
14:49 jcamins         So did you get my hypothesis?
14:49 jcamins         Or did the conection die before then?
14:49 talljoy1        i did see it.
14:49 jcamins         Okay, good. It's a nice hypothesis. Lots of promise.
14:49 talljoy1        i'm wondering if some of the MARC has that orientation in some of the records they are downloading and missing in others.
14:50 jcamins         That'd be my guess.
14:50 talljoy1        if I recreate these records in Koha the orientation is correctly displayed.  it is clearly the marc coming in
14:51 jcamins         If you take a look in a real text editor, you should be able to figure it out pretty quickly.
14:52 talljoy1        simply recreating the 880 field correct it.  http://catalog-comm.bjesf.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=25106
14:53 talljoy1        bingo.
14:54 jcamins         :)
14:54 jcamins         Now all will be well until they stop using 880.
14:58 oleonard        Hi diomidis
14:58 diomidis        hi!
14:58 diomidis        Date::Calc::Add_Delta_Days(): not a valid date at /home/koha/kohaclone/opac/opac-user.pl line 112.
14:58 diomidis        what should I do?
14:58 diomidis        when i login it gives me this
14:59 jcamins         diomidis: I believe the fix for that will be in 3.6.5.
14:59 diomidis        is it a bug?
14:59 jcamins         Yes, it's already been fixed, though.
14:59 diomidis        how can I fix it?
14:59 jcamins         How did you install Koha?
14:59 diomidis        virtualbox debian koha
15:00 jcamins         diomidis: so you used the packages?
15:00 diomidis        all in one and I run it through virtualbox
15:01 diomidis        http://www.google.gr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.koha-community.org%2Fwiki%2FSetting_Up_Koha_in_Virtual_Environment_%252B_Using_That_as_a_Development_Environment&ei=nRK1T-L7JYjP-gbNwY3xDQ&usg=AFQjCNG54gMTDb2_Va0jVaJ3oZ8QtcIBYA&sig2=XA1OfdS4mjBkL0Kag1vV4g
15:01 diomidis        I downloaded it from here
15:01 diomidis        oooops wrong link
15:01 diomidis        from here
15:01 diomidis        http://millruntech.com/koha/koha-virtual-appliances
15:02 jcamins         Oh.
15:02 jcamins         I don't know anything about the virtual appliances, sorry.
15:02 jcamins         kyleh might be able to help you.
15:02 kyleh           you rang?
15:02 jcamins         kyleh: yes, your virtual appliances... is that a package install, git install, or... ?
15:03 jcamins         diomidis: the easiest thing to do is not log into the OPAC with the kohaadmin user.
15:03 kyleh           it's just a virtualbox disk image, diomidis pm'ed me, so I'll try to help out.
15:03 jcamins         Thanks.
15:03 kyleh           it's a git install, btw
15:04 jcamins         Ah.
15:39 slef            anyone know if there's a nice web app for letting users change their own LDAP password?
16:54 oleonard        git stash --patch sounds useful, but doesn't seem to work very well :|
17:11 oleonard        Hm, must have had something to do with trimming whitespace
17:36 melia           hi #koha
17:36 bag             hi melia
17:37 melia           since we can't have in-company sign-offs, is there anyone available who wouldn't mind testing bug 7804?
17:37 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Koha Plugin System
17:45 jcamins_away    melia: I've found fudge to be a successful way to encourage testing.
17:45 melia           hehe
17:45 melia           I've got some angel food cake with strawberries over here and real whipped cream… but you'd have to come to California to get it!
17:45 melia           I guess fudge ships better :)
17:46 jcamins_away    melia: exactly.
17:47 sekjal          now, this plugin feature, it basically just lets users upload custom scripts to do whatever
17:47 sekjal          it doesn't try to 'hook' into any place in the existing codebase
17:47 sekjal          since that would be.... well, a LOT of work
17:47 jcamins_away    sekjal: right.
17:48 jcamins_away    melia: I don't have time to test it right now, but I can tell you there's a typo... the file type is kPz not kRz as it says in the patch.
17:48 melia           well that's a good start! thanks jcamins_away
17:48 jcamins_away    Also, using unzip in an executable directory seems... dangerous.
17:49 kyleh           I'm open to any suggestions for improvements
17:49 sekjal          I'd also recommend creating the new module in the Koha namespace, instead of C4, since that's where we're headed
17:49 jcamins_away    kyleh: oh, you're here.
17:49 sekjal          though paul_p may have some more specific ideas on that
17:49 jcamins_away    kyleh: Compress:ZLib.
17:49 kyleh           of course, users will need to vet any plugins, just like any plugin for another program.
17:50 jcamins_away    I think that's what it's called.
17:50 kyleh           I'll take a look at that
17:50 jcamins_away    That really ought to be used for patron image uploads and cover iamge uploads as well, but I didn't learn about it until after.
17:50 jcamins_away    Also, agreed on the Koha:: namespace.
17:51 jcamins_away    *image
17:51 jcamins_away    ^^ hard word to type right
17:51 kyleh           can do!
17:52 sekjal          all in all, it looks very appealing.  will let libraries do crazy custom things without having to force it into the global codebase
17:52 jcamins_away    kyleh: also, it would be good to have both a syspref *and* a configuration setting in koha-conf.xml required to enable the plugin module.
17:53 melia           that's the idea! let the crazies do their thing without bothering the rest of us ;)
17:53 * sekjal        just spent the last couple days hackin' at Dokuwiki plugins
17:56 jcamins_away    kyleh: additional thought: making the plugin interface object-oriented might make for better security, since it ensures greater encapsulation.
17:57 kyleh           I'll see what I can do.
17:57 jcamins_away    (that's speculation, but while I'm talking about something I don't have time to try, I might as well share all my thoughts, right?;)
17:57 jcamins_away    (and maybe in the future, time will be less of an issue)
17:57 kyleh           we can always update it incrementally
17:58 jcamins_away    Of course. But if I mention everything that comes to mind now, there will be that much less of a chance that there will be further things when I have time to look at it again later.
17:59 kyleh           agreed, better to know everything now than code into a corner
18:00 * sekjal        looks forward to the plugin that'll make coffee on request
18:00 jcamins_away    sekjal: if you were to OpenSRF-enable your coffee maker, Evergreen could do that.
18:02 sekjal          right
18:02 sekjal          OpenSRF is a pretty cool idea
18:02 sekjal          a lot of extra moving parts, though
18:03 kyleh           is there any way to rebuild all the cn_sort fields in items easily?
18:03 jcamins_away    kyleh: touch_all_items.pl
18:03 kyleh           excellent! thanks!
18:04 jcamins_away    kyleh: additional thoughts: rather than using CGI to call plugins, wouldn't it be better to use Module::Load::Conditional and a standard exported method?
18:04 jcamins_away    For example Plugin::Whatever->Run()
18:05 jcamins_away    That way you can also warn someone their running an out-of-date plugin even if they have bookmarked the plugin directly.
18:07 jcamins_away    Thinking about it, that would definitely be a requirement for me to sign off on the patch.
18:08 kyleh           not sure how to implement that, the docs are not helpful
18:08 jcamins_away    kyleh: no they're not.
18:08 jcamins_away    kyleh: however, I have good news for you!
18:08 jcamins_away    Bug 8092
18:08 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should use CHI caching framework
18:08 jcamins_away    Whoah! Got the right bug number!
18:09 jcamins_away    ^^ I used Module::Load::Conditional in that, so it should give you an idea of how it works.
18:13 kyleh           looks like IO::Uncompress has replaced Compress::Zlib
18:14 jcamins_away    That one'll work too.
18:15 jcamins_away    It wouldn't make a difference to me which one was used, I'm just concerned about using system in a directory with +Exec.
18:15 jcamins_away    (since Koha doesn't use taint checking)
18:16 jcamins_away    (though using system is probably just generally not such a good idea anyway)
18:35 * oleonard      wonders what happened to the "you must define a budget" warning that used to appear on acqui-home
18:50 * oleonard      wonders if it was a deliberate decision or not
18:50 jcamins_away    oleonard: who removed it?
18:50 oleonard        http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dbd3ab96cd88ecf9fa57c45f5673e5d8f19dd62
18:51 jcamins_away    I doubt it was intentional.
18:51 jcamins_away    Though it could've been.
18:52 oleonard        Does it not still make sense to prompt the user to define a budget if they go to Acquisitions and no budget exists?
18:52 * oleonard      imagines so, but doesn't actually use acquisitions
18:52 jcamins_away    I would think so. Doesn't work without a budget.
18:56 * oleonard      only cares because he wants to fix the style of the error message
18:58 oleonard        hdl I have a question if you're really here
18:58 hdl             oleonard: ?
18:59 oleonard        hdl: There used to be a warning on the acquisitions home page if you hadn't defined a budget yet
18:59 oleonard        This commit removed it:http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dbd3ab96cd88ecf9fa57c45f5673e5d8f19dd62
18:59 oleonard        Was it intentional?
19:01 hdl             oleonard: it was not removing the warning nor anything in templates.
19:02 oleonard        This caused the message to disappear from the template:
19:02 oleonard        -    nobudget         => $#results == -1 ? 1 : 0
19:02 oleonard        But if that was unintentional I can easily make a template change to fix it
19:02 hdl             The "nobudget" could be done in the template.
19:02 hdl             yep.
19:02 oleonard        Okay, thanks
19:05 hdl             no problem
19:05 oleonard        bag around?
19:05 bag             yes
19:05 oleonard        I saw your comment on Bug 7736
19:05 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7736 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mark.gavillet, Needs Signoff , Edifact QUOTE and ORDER functionality
19:05 oleonard        We are interested in EDI
19:05 bag             well I've got the patch to apply - now I'm playing with it
19:06 oleonard        ...although I'm not entirely sure how it works or whether it would really fit into our workflow
19:07 bag             it looks like you should be able to upload an order..  do some things in acq and then send the order back..
19:08 bag             I think I'll need sometime to read the code and find the workflow ;)
19:23 oleonard        Every buy I try to fix today has another bug hiding inside it.
19:30 cait            hi
19:30 oleonard        Hi cait
19:30 oleonard        You've been hiding all day?
19:41 cait            yes
19:41 cait            with a book
19:44 * oleonard      should read a book sometime
19:45 cait            you should
19:45 cait            :)
19:45 cait            now still have 100 pages to read
19:45 mbalmer         greetings from the swiss alps ;)
19:54 rangi           Morning
19:54 oleonard        Hi rangi
19:54 wizzyrea        heya
19:54 oleonard        Hey, and there's wizzyrea
19:55 * wizzyrea      has been more or less around all day.
19:56 wizzyrea        got my hipwaders on in this iPad project thinger.
19:56 * rangi         stops spreading misinformation to his kids and goes to do it a koha user group day instead
19:56 * wizzyrea      considers a blog "lies I told my kid"
19:59 oleonard        My daughter who just turned 3 has learned how to lie. Me: "What are you doing in there?" Her, in the bathroom spreading lotion on her head: "I don't know."
20:00 rangi           Hehe
20:00 cait            heh
20:00 wizzyrea        she probably doesn't know how to describe it :)
20:00 cait            yes, not really a lie
20:00 jcamins_away    oleonard: are you sure she wasn't telling the truth? If I were doing that, I'd probably not be sure what I was doing either. ;)
20:01 oleonard        She should hire you guys as her team of lawyers.
20:01 cait            :)
20:02 oleonard        It seems not cool to me that Koha can email new users their password
20:02 rangi           It's not cool to me either
20:02 wizzyrea        i wish it would email users *a* password
20:03 jcamins_away    oleonard: it can do what?
20:03 wizzyrea        then force them to change it at the next login.
20:03 jcamins_away    Like, the *actual* password?
20:03 cait            jcamins_away: only one time
20:03 oleonard        jcamins_away: If AutoEmailOpacUser is turned on
20:03 cait            before it gets encrypted
20:03 rangi           A token maybe would be alright
20:03 cait            but the feature wizzyrea describes... we would really like that
20:03 rangi           Never a password
20:03 cait            would be good for data privacy
20:03 jcamins_away    Yeah, the token would be much better.
20:04 cait            one time password
20:04 jcamins_away    Even better would be a random password that they have to change.
20:04 cait            and email verification
20:04 * cait          waves at kathryn
20:04 rangi           Ok my stop bbl
20:09 kathryn         hi cait!
20:09 cait            :)
20:10 kathryn         and morning all
20:11 oleonard        Well the good news for you privacy buffs is that the feature seems to be broken :P
20:11 oleonard        Can't use string ("1") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /members/memberentry.pl line 357.
20:11 jcamins_away    oleonard: yay... uhhhh... hmmm.
20:13 oleonard        Oh, Bug 8057
20:13 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8057 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Error when adding a patron with email address
20:14 cait            oleonard: some of our libraries are using it :(
20:15 oleonard        Wow I didn't realize how long that feature has been in Koha. Bug 2149
20:15 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2149 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Email user new account details, after account creation
20:16 oleonard        All I'm trying to do is test error messages in the templates, and out crawl the bugs.
20:16 cait            brave
20:30 rangi           https://unglue.it/api/help
20:30 oleonard        Quitting time. Bye #koha.
20:30 rangi           cya oleonard
20:31 rangi           http://www.treasury.govt.nz/events/kug-may12
20:31 rangi           i still get a kick that the nz treasury dept is hosting the koha user day
20:37 cait            :)
20:37 cait            yep, it's great
23:32 rangi           so far so good
23:34 jcamins         When anonymizing issues, the history remains in the _statistics_ table, not the old_issues table, right?
23:35 rangi           i think so
23:35 jcamins         Thanks.
23:43 jcamins         @query dom
23:43 huginn          jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode
23:43 huginn          jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records