Time  Nick           Message
01:28 Judit          hi
04:30 druthb         o/
04:31 bag            heya druthb
04:31 bag            good morning too you
04:31 * druthb       does some math in her head.
04:31 druthb         good evening, bag.  :)
04:31 bag            yup 9:30pm here
04:31 druthb         BEST BOSS EVAR
04:31 bag            heh thanks druthb you are sweet
04:32 bag            petra yet?  and oh yeah Sonja says hi Ruth
04:33 * druthb       squeals and waves at Sonja.
04:33 * mtj          waves to druthb  and bag
04:33 bag            yo mtj
04:33 druthb         Nope, haven't been to Petra (or anything) yet...  I hope to do some touristing this weekend.
04:33 druthb         howdy, mtj.
04:33 mtj            hows it all going over there druthb ?
04:34 mtj            yo bagz
04:34 druthb         going well.  I got the first patch of this trip in yesterday, and jcamins did a lovely job testing it--found a few minor tweaks to make, which doesn't surprise me.  Going to do some system admin training this morning, and more CSS and coding over the weekend.
04:35 mtj            druthb: what's the weirdest thing you've eaten so-far?
04:35 bag            good question
04:35 druthb         hm.
04:35 mtj            ps: the RTL stuff sounds very useful to Koha
04:36 druthb         Fresh green olives--for breakfast, every day.  That's pretty novel.  Oh, and they don't just use hot dogs for putting on a long bun like we do in the states...for breakfast this morning, they had a dish where they'd cut up franks, plus onion and green pepper, and pan-fried the lot, with spices.
04:39 druthb         They are very fond of sandwiches here...they take a long roll similar to a french roll, and fill it full of tasty stuff, and then grill it to heat everything up.  I went to a restaurant last night where they spoke no English--but they had pictures up.
04:39 Judit          where are you?
04:39 druthb         One of the sandwiches looked tasty--a fried patty of some meat, with olives and lettuce and tomato.  So some pointing and waving, and looking at the register, and I had ordered a fish sandwich.  :)
04:40 druthb         Judit:  Amman, Jordan.
04:41 druthb         Outside the hotel, food is *cheap*.  a can of cola costs about US 50 cents (JD 0.350), and my sandwich last night was JD 2.000, about US 2.60.
04:43 druthb         they  have an interesting tradition here in the offices...  the "office boy."  in our case, an Egyptian man about 20, maybe 25 years old.  His name is Mohammed...the staff here just bellow his last name when they want him to fetch tea or coffee, or run some errand.  They're amused that I don't do that.
04:45 druthb         (I go find him, and I speak to him very politely.  Our conversations are limited, but I do know how to ask for more tea.
04:48 * druthb       squees and waves at cait
04:57 * druthb       packs up to head to the office.
06:25 marcelr        hello koha
06:30 alex_a         hello
06:30 cait           hi marcelr and alex_a :)
06:31 marcelr        hi cait, alex_a
06:41 cait           @wunder Konstanz
06:41 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.7°C (8:39 AM CEST on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
06:43 alex_a         cait, marcelr o/
06:44 reiveune       hello
06:44 druthb         @wunder Amman
06:44 huginn         druthb: The current temperature in Amman Airport, Jordan is 21.0°C (9:00 AM EEST on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
06:45 druthb         Heading for a high of 35 today...gonna be another scorcher.  39 on Saturday.  (!)
06:51 cait           supposed to be around 25 today
06:51 cait           warm enough for me!
06:54 paul_p         good morning #koha
06:55 marcelr        hi paul_p
06:55 mtj            hi #koha
06:55 marcelr        hi mtj
06:56 cait           brb
06:56 mtj            paul_p:  do you have a wiki-page with your Koha benchmarking stuff?
06:56 mtj            ... or a personal git repo, or something?
06:57 dgl-library    @marc 300
06:57 huginn         dgl-library: A physical description of the described item, including its extent, dimensions, and such other physical details as a description of any accompanying materials and unit type and size. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8]
06:59 mtj            paul_p: i see this page -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Benchmark_for_3.8
06:59 paul_p         mtj yes, search benchmark[ing]
06:59 paul_p         mtj that's it ;-)
07:00 mtj            do you have a koha-benchmarking git repo, to share - or scripts?
07:00 julian_m       hello
07:00 mtj            aah  i see : ) 'made with an updated version (dec, 2nd) of the script in misc/load_testing.'
07:00 mtj            paul_p: ok, i got it now :)
07:01 paul_p         mtj please don't add a line to this page, because, as you don't have the same computer, your results will differ
07:03 mtj            yes, understood!
07:05 mtj            paul_p:  i have been planning a script to automate your load/* tests - for every Koha release since 3.0.0, etc...
07:06 mtj            .. it could be interesting to track/graph the performance stats of Koha, from the 3.0.0. release
07:07 bag            yeah that would be pretty cool
07:08 mtj            .. to see what release made Koha faster or slower than the previous release
07:08 bag            hopefully each is faster then the previous
07:08 mtj            yeah, i reckon - and not sooo tricky to do - either  :)
07:09 druthb         julian_m:  ping?
07:09 mtj            bag:  well, the results might show otherwise :p
07:09 bag            :P
07:09 julian_m       hi druthb
07:10 mtj            ok, gotta scoot - ciao all...
07:10 druthb         hi! :)  your translation script for bug 8044 works a treat; I gave it signoff, but fredericd raises some good points.  Would it offend you for me to revise the patch to at least address some of those?
07:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Localization for Perl scripts and modules
07:12 vkm            where is stop words to add in 3.6.4
07:13 druthb         vkm:  Stopwords only exist if you're using NoZebra.  If you're using NoZebra, don't.
07:14 julian_m       druthb, in fact, the patch was not intended to be pushed to master 'as is' but to start a discussion about localization in koha. I will answer to frederic but i'm afraid I have no time for revising the patch this week
07:14 druthb         That's okay.  I can do some of the revision--in particular, getting it into the existing framework.  I also have an idea for a little tool that would help us modify the many, many files that will need to be touched for the final version of this, to create the .po.
07:15 vkm            should we use zebra
07:15 druthb         I don't have any particular opinion on which library to use, julian_m.  Either works, as far as I am concerned.
07:16 druthb         vkm:  Absolutely you should.  NoZebra is deprecated, and will probably eventually disappear.
07:16 vkm            zebra uses stop words?
07:18 druthb         Zebra does *not* use stopwords; that's what I said earlier.
07:20 druthb         julian_m:  I have a little bit of time this weekend that I could get that patch revised to get it into the existing spaces, and write the tool to edit all the .pl scripts, maybe.  Would you like me to do that?  The project I'm on here in Amman has a strong need for this problem to be solved.
07:22 julian_m       druthb, I think we should first agree with the perl module to use before writing more code. Is fredericd there?
07:22 kf             back
07:22 druthb         guten morgen, kf.
07:24 kf             salaam druthb
07:25 kf             hi julian_m :)
07:25 julian_m       hello kf :)
07:27 druthb         julian_m:  I'm looking at the docs on Locale::TextDomain, and it's pretty nifty, but it'd require a bit more work to tweak the perl scripts than with maketext.    Most of the really cool things that locale::textdomain does are not done in perl with Koha anyway, but are in the .TT, so are not the subject of this bug.
07:28 magnuse        kia ora #koha!
07:28 kf             marcelr++ :)
07:28 marcelr        hi magnuse
07:29 samuel         hello everybody :-)
07:30 kf             bonjour samuel
07:31 druthb         god dag, magnuse.  :)
07:39 magnuse        salaam druthb marcelr Amit_Gupta kf samuel
07:51 magnuse        kia ora connor_l_dewar
07:52 connor_l_dewar hi magnuse mummy asks hows your wife? hope shes doing well!
07:52 magnuse        connor_l_dewar: starting to get a little uncomfortable, but all is well with the baby :-)
07:53 magnuse        connor_l_dewar: and say hi to your mummy!
07:53 kf             :)
07:53 kf             yeah, from me to :)
07:53 bag            :)
07:53 connor_l_dewar will do
07:54 magnuse        connor_l_dewar: ready to do some more koha hacking?
07:55 connor_l_dewar haha im learning python at the moment hoping i could talk to someone about how i go about contributing with it
07:55 magnuse        hm, perl would be a better choice if you want to contribute to koha, i think...
07:56 connor_l_dewar yeah i got told that too but python is the future!
07:56 connor_l_dewar and its a lot easier
07:56 magnuse        pft ;-)
07:57 connor_l_dewar im so proud, i got code into koha before mum
07:57 connor_l_dewar :D
07:57 magnuse        yeah connor_l_dewar++
07:57 magnuse        did jo say something about learning to code?
07:59 connor_l_dewar yeah she said shes really really busy at the ,moment but as soon as she has time shes going to start
07:59 connor_l_dewar :)
07:59 magnuse        yeah, right ;-)
08:00 kf             heh
08:00 kf             sounds familiar
08:00 connor_l_dewar im sure get round to it one day ;)
08:00 kf             connor_l_dewar: there is no python in Koha right now - so not sure how it could work
08:01 kf             connor_l_dewar: git bz is python - perhaps you could try and contribute to that? we use it heavily and it woudl be nice if it woudl allow to do some more things
08:02 connor_l_dewar awesome will look into it , perl should probably be on my todo list
08:05 druthb         connor_l_dewar: perl should *definitely* be on your todo list; and do please tell your mother hello from me.
08:06 magnuse        @later tell jcamins having 7537 in 3.6.x is a good thing, I think
08:06 huginn         magnuse: The operation succeeded.
08:07 connor_l_dewar mum says hello back
08:22 druthb         :D
08:24 samuel         question, i'm trying to convert data in marc format ( a big challenge because  our older ils doesn't respect unimarc): in marc edit, when i have this error "undefined error reported, error number -99" what does it means ?
08:26 kf             samuel: no idea sorry
08:33 kf             meeting
08:36 Brooke         kia ora
08:48 magnuse        kia ora Brooke
08:48 Brooke         :)
08:59 halfie         hi, does koha supports unicode? I am trying to enter unicode characters in author field but koha gives an error message?
08:59 halfie         how do I make koha support unicode
09:13 halfie         I followed the wiki page about charsets but I still get "Wide character in subroutine entry" error
09:18 hdl            samuel: maybe you could take a look at :http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2007-November/012750.html
09:22 hdl            samuel: or you could checkout the branch csvmigration from the catalyst repository
09:35 Brooke         hey oak :)
09:36 Oak            hello Brooke :]
09:36 Oak            Ahoy me hearties
09:36 Brooke         arrrr
09:36 Oak            :)
09:36 Brooke         avast ye swabbie dog
09:36 Oak            hehe
09:40 slef           halfie: yes, koha supports unicode. Basically you need to check that the record is really unicode and that each part of the system (mysql, apache, koha, your browser) is correctly configured.
09:41 slef           hi all
09:41 Brooke         yo
09:43 halfie         @slef: mysql, apache and browser are configured properly. I checked the wiki. How do i ensure koha is setup propery?
09:43 huginn         halfie: downloading the Perl source
09:46 halfie         I have removed LEADER field from Book entry page. Can this cause a problem?
09:46 slef           halfie: Administration: Check Koha-MARC framework or something like that. But have you checked that the record is really unicode? Where did the record come from? Incorrect z39.50 settings can cause corruption. Have you checked all tabs for the unicode unknown-character boxes (like [FF]) or question marks (like <?> but upside down)?
09:47 slef           halfie: I think so. The leader contains character 10 to signal unicode IIRC.
09:47 slef           @marc leader
09:47 huginn         slef: unknown tag leader
09:47 slef           huginn: you suck
09:47 huginn         slef: I suck
09:47 Brooke         heh
09:47 slef           bbl
09:49 halfie         @slef: my unicode data is correct, it comes from http://www.quillpad.in/hindi/ , no strange characters anywhere in book add page.
09:49 huginn         halfie: I suck
09:49 halfie         heh
09:50 halfie         Can I re-add LEADER field back to add book page? is it possible?
09:51 Brooke         is encoding in your browser set correctly, because quillpad warns about that.
09:52 halfie         Brooke: encoding in browser is okay i think, copy pasting unicode text is working fine.
09:54 Brooke         I'm not keen on that passthrough. We weren't using it at KohaCon. Vimal says use google transliteration or just the native regional keyboard.
09:54 Brooke         http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2012-February/032087.html
10:00 halfie         Brooke: same error with google tool, Wide character in subroutine entry at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96.
10:01 halfie         yay, adding LEADER field solved the unicode entry issues :) :)
10:01 halfie         now how do i get zebra indexing to work with unicode data?
10:01 halfie         @slef: Brook: thanks for help
10:01 huginn         halfie: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
10:04 Brooke         pretty sure it should just work, but ask Magnus or Cait to be sure. Both use special characters routinely. I know that there are things that are unique to hindi and other indic languages, though, so be sure to hit the translate pages to help out.
10:04 Brooke         http://translate.koha-community.org/hi/
10:09 Amit_Gupta     heya kf
10:17 magnuse        for me, indexing strange things like æøå has just worked
10:17 magnuse        but i know others have had to use icu indexing to make it work for them
10:21 halfie         Brooke: zebra indexing worked with unicode by default
10:22 halfie         error retrieving biblio 3156 at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 471., now i am seeing a bunch of similar errors, any ideas why?
10:22 halfie         according to souce bib was found but was un-parseable
10:22 halfie         s/souce/sources
10:26 dgl-library    Hi #koha
10:28 Amit_Gupta     heya dgl-library
10:28 wahanui        i think dgl-library is in India
10:28 Amit_Gupta     heya wahanui
10:28 dgl-library    namaste amit
10:29 Amit_Gupta     yes dgl-library
10:29 wahanui        dgl-library is probably in India
10:29 dgl-library    yep
10:29 Amit_Gupta     dgl-library india?
10:29 dgl-library    yep
10:29 Amit_Gupta     which city?
10:29 dgl-library    himachal pradesh
10:29 dgl-library    small town
10:30 Amit_Gupta     which city
10:30 Amit_Gupta     in hp
10:47 dgl-library    sorry, I was away
10:47 dgl-library    small town. small school. specialised library. how about you?
10:47 dgl-library    Does anyone know what the difference is (in practical terms) between "SUBJECT — TOPIC" and "SUBJECT — KEYWORD"? These are MARC 650 and MARC 653, and I don't know quite how Koha handles them, especially in the OPAC.
10:52 kf_lunch       dgl-library: 653 is uncontrolled I think - no authority
10:52 kf_lunch       @marc 653
10:52 huginn         kf_lunch: An index term added entry that is not constructed by standard subject heading/thesaurus-building conventions. (Repeatable) [a,6,8]
10:52 wahanui        i already had it that way, huginn.
10:52 kf_lunch       @marc 650
10:52 huginn         kf_lunch: A subject added entry in which the entry element is a topical term. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,v,x,y,z,2,3,4,6,8]
10:53 kf_lunch       dgl-library: so 650 would be linked to a topic authority, while 653 is just text and no authorities
10:55 dgl-library    and we create our own authority list for that?
10:56 dgl-library    right now we have no authorities. we've been using 650 and 653 interchangeably with free text, basically
10:56 slef           @marc 008
10:56 huginn         slef: This field contains 40 character positions (00-39) that provide coded information about the record as a whole and about special bibliographic aspects of the item being cataloged. These coded data elements are potentially useful for retrieval and data management purposes. []
10:56 slef           marc21?
10:56 wahanui        marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html
10:56 dgl-library    slef: is that for me?
10:57 slef           dgl-library: no, sorry, for me. Although the authority link may interest you.
10:57 dgl-library    is there some central repository of data from 650 in koha that is assembled from all the blah blah we've put in, so we can go in and tweak?
10:58 slef           dgl-library: I'd look in Administration: Authorities, but I'm no cataloguer and may be wrong because I have not checked.
10:58 slef           bbl
11:02 dgl-library    kf_lunch: thanks for the clarification
11:02 dgl-library    wish I'd asked 6 weeks ago :|
11:03 dgl-library    slef: no data under Authorities
11:04 dgl-library    Amit_Gupta: and where are you?
11:04 slef           dgl-library: did you select TOPIC or whatever it is?
11:06 slef           I was wrong about the location. It's in http://library:8080/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/authorities-home.pl?op=do_search&type=intranet&authtypecode=TOPIC_TERM&marclist=mainmainentry&operator=contains&orderby=HeadingAsc
11:07 dgl-library    slef: Authority search results
11:07 dgl-library    No results found
11:08 slef           dgl-library: yikes. Worst case, you could use a Report to extract all the 650 and 653 field values and import them as authorities.
11:08 slef           I've done that for some libraries. No idea if it's good practice myself.
11:10 kf_lunch       dgl-library: the reason you don't find them might also be that you haven't set zebra to index them
11:10 kf_lunch       dgl-library: you have to do something like -a -b -z
11:10 kf_lunch       where -a is for authorities
11:10 kf_lunch       dgl-library: and perhaps also check your system preferences for authorities
11:10 kf_lunch       there is one to automatically create authorities
11:11 kf_lunch       I think perhaps you changed the frameworks to not add them or changed the preferences
11:11 kf_lunch       you don't have to work with authorities - a lot of libraries do not
11:15 dgl-library    slef: thanks for the report suggestion.
11:16 dgl-library    kf_lunch: hmm, zebra. maybe. also one small detail— we can't access the OPAC
11:16 dgl-library    kf_lunch: possibly related?
11:19 lunch          what do you mean by can't access?
11:19 lunch          is there an error message? or is it that you can't search?
11:20 * druthb       chuckles, as she gets back from lunch and sees "lunch" logged on.
11:20 Amit_Gupta     heya druthb
11:24 kf             oups
11:28 dgl-library    lunch: can't access means as far as I know, our OPAC is non-existent. it is a non-OPAC. I have never seen our OPAC. I don't believe we have ever had the pleasure of meeting it. No OPAC.
11:29 dgl-library    lunch: but our staff client works fine.
11:30 dgl-library    I've seen one thread describing exactly my problem — http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-June/029691.html
11:30 dgl-library    but I don't understand the solution
11:32 druthb         hi, Amit_Gupta! L)
11:32 druthb         :)
11:40 Amit_Gupta     dgl-library: i m from bangalore
11:41 dgl-library    Amit_Gupta: nice city. do you work at a library, or are you a koha consultant?
11:43 Amit_Gupta     i am from Nucsoft Osslabs
11:45 dgl-library    wow, 50 koha implementations? that's impressive. do you have a librarian on staff?
11:45 Amit_Gupta     no no i am a developer
11:45 dgl-library    yes, but you must know a lot about books in order to have installed koha for 50 clients
11:46 Amit_Gupta     hmm..
11:55 kf             dgl-library: hm - opac weirdness :)
11:55 kf             dgl-library: I think most people have more difficulty finding the staff interface than their opac :)
11:55 kf             dgl-library: does search in your staff client work?
11:55 Amit_Gupta     heya kf
11:59 mtj            dgl-library:  your OPAC problem is probably caused by an incorrect apache config
12:01 mtj            is it just me - or is the Koha logo squashed on this page? -> http://www.facebook.com/kohails
12:04 kf             mtj: why are you awake? and yes, it's squashed
12:06 mtj            right... im gonna send nengard  a fix for that :)
12:07 NateC          Morning #Koha
12:07 mtj            kf: i am feeling perky now, - so gonna do a little Koha work...
12:07 nengard        mtj - it wasn't squished until the page was upgraded ? thanks for sending a gix
12:07 nengard        or a fix
12:07 mtj            heya nate
12:18 dgl-library    mtj: how would I fix that or diagnose it? seems odd, because I followed the default installation instructions for both debian and koha
12:19 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:20 mtj            dgl-library: start by looking at your apache access.log file
12:20 mtj            and error.log files
12:20 dgl-library    mtj: where are those found?
12:20 mtj            and apache2clt -h
12:21 mtj            /var/log/apache2 or  /var/log/apache
12:21 dgl-library    mtj: that thread I mentioned referred to a program called webmin that was supposed to simplify diagnosing these problems, but I couldn't get that to work
12:21 dgl-library    thanks
12:22 mtj            # apache2clt -S too
12:22 dgl-library    is that a command?
12:23 mtj            yep, sure is
12:23 mtj            oops , apache2ctl not apache2clt :)
12:25 dgl-library    bash: apache2ctl: command not found
12:26 dgl-library    I wonder if apache is installed at all.
12:26 dgl-library    would koha run without it?
12:27 oleonard       No
12:29 mtj            dgl-library:  run as root ;)
12:29 jcamins        o/
12:29 jcamins        magnus_away: thanks.
12:29 dgl-library    mtj: ok, thanks
12:30 dgl-library    mtj: ran it. what am I looking for, exactly?
12:32 mtj            run with '-S'
12:32 dgl-library    did that.
12:32 dgl-library    got some output.
12:32 dgl-library    not sure how to interpret it.
12:32 mtj            ...it will dump your apache vhosts - is your OPAC defined as a vhost?
12:33 dgl-library    can I just paste the output here?
12:33 mtj            paste your output -> http://paste.koha-community.org/
12:34 mtj            nah, pasting in #irc is bad :p
12:34 pastebot       "dgl-library" at 14.98.79.188 pasted "apache output" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/392
12:35 mtj            dgl-library : no opac defined :)
12:35 dgl-library    mtj: ok, now we know the problem! what's the solutioN?
12:38 mtj            well, you need 2 koha vhosts - staff and OPAC
12:38 mtj            ... you only have one
12:39 mtj            port 80 namevhost dgllibrarylocalhost (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/dgllibrary:4)
12:39 mtj            (thats prolly your staff vhost?)
12:39 dgl-library    I see. Is this covered in the manual somewhere? Maybe I missed a step in the setup.
12:40 dgl-library    I don't have the Linux skills to fix this without some sort of instructions.
12:41 dgl-library    port 8080 is our staff client
12:43 mtj            oops, my mistake - i see your staff vhost now :)
12:43 mtj            *:8080                 dgllibrarylocalhost (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/dgllibrary:19)
12:43 mtj            so, http://dgllibrarylocalhost:80 is OPAC
12:44 mtj            http://dgllibrarylocalhost:8080 is staff
12:45 dgl-library    :80 doesn't work
12:45 dgl-library    I get the same error as this guy: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2011-June/029691.html
12:45 jcamins        dgl-library: you need to disable your other virtual hosts.
12:45 dgl-library    If I try port 80, it says "it works! This is the default web page for this server."
12:46 dgl-library    jcamins: how?
12:46 jcamins        Probably `sudo a2dissite default`
12:46 jcamins        Run `ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled`
12:46 jcamins        You don't want anything other than dgllibrary to show up.
12:46 jcamins        For each file that shows up, run `sudo a2dissite`
12:47 mtj            rm  /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
12:47 jcamins        mtj: oh, this isn't Debian?
12:47 mtj            000-default is the file causing the 'it works' message
12:47 mtj            tis debian
12:47 dgl-library    it's debian
12:48 jcamins        Yeah, so `sudo a2dissite default` should do it.
12:48 dgl-library    jcamins: exactly like that? I don't need to do anything else?
12:50 jcamins        dgl-library: you need to do that for all the sites you see in sites-enabled, then run `sudo apache2ctl restart`
12:51 dgl-library    jcamins: sorry to ask for so many clarifications, but how do I do that for each site (or for any particular site)?
12:52 mtj            no , just that one will be ok
12:52 jcamins        dgl-library: you run `sudo a2dissite $SITENAME`
12:52 jcamins        Replace $SITENAME with the name of the file.
12:52 jcamins        mtj: not necessarily. It depends on the order.
12:53 mtj            http://paste.koha-community.org/392
12:53 mtj            thats the order...
12:53 jcamins        Cool.
12:53 jcamins        How did you get that?
12:54 jcamins        dgl-library: okay, just the one.
12:54 mtj            so, just that one should be ok?
12:54 mtj            dgl-library pasted it :p
12:54 jcamins        But what command?
12:54 wahanui        it has been said that command is missing there, but it's a misc/migration_tools/rebuild-zebra.pl -b -r -v
12:55 mtj            $ sudo a2dissite default
12:55 mtj            $ sudo apache2ctl restart
12:55 jcamins        No, what command to get that output.
12:55 dgl-library    that's it?
12:55 mtj            lol
12:55 dgl-library    mtj: I just need to type those 2 lines?
12:56 mtj            jcamins:  apache2ctl -S
12:56 jcamins        mtj: ah, cool. I have to remember that.
12:56 mtj            -S dumps out the vhost config
12:56 mtj            dgl-library: yes
12:57 dgl-library    so I type
12:57 dgl-library    $ sudo a2dissite default
12:57 dgl-library    $ sudo apache2ctl restart
12:57 mtj            who's on first?
12:57 dgl-library    and that's it… OPAC problem should be solved?
12:57 jcamins        mtj: I don't know...
12:58 jcamins        third base!
12:58 jcamins        dgl-library: yup.
12:58 dgl-library    jcamins: great. thanks. I'll backup everything and then give that a try.
12:58 dgl-library    logging off now. thanks so much for your help!
12:59 kf             backup++ :) dgl-library++ :)
12:59 dgl-library    bye for now #koha
13:00 mtj            heh, was kinda hoping to see if it worked...
13:01 kf             mtj: I think he/she will come back
13:01 kf             mtj++ :)
13:04 jcamins        kf++ # for pointing out that 7837 doesn't belong in 3.6.x.
13:05 kf             :)
13:05 kf             bug 7837
13:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7837 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names
13:05 kf             ah :)
13:05 kf             did the debarrmentdate thing turn out ok?
13:06 jcamins        I'm still trying to figure out what that patch did.
13:06 jcamins        debar is still boolean in 3.6.x.
13:07 jcamins        But the patch applied cleanly.
13:08 kf             jcamins: confusing!
13:08 wahanui        confusing is probably "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
13:08 * jcamins      ponders.
13:11 oleonard       Well, can't argue with wahanui there.
13:11 jcamins        Well, bother.
13:11 kf             jcamins: I think if you can still debar someone... it's perhaps ot that important?
13:12 jcamins        kf: right now what's troubling me is that I appear to have screwed up Chrome. :(
13:13 jcamins        I'm setting up a new 3.6.x installation to retest the debarring, because I feel like it must be broken.
13:13 jcamins        Chrome won't let me go through the webinstaller.
13:16 jcamins        Ah.
13:16 jcamins        Yes, I do need to revert that patch.
13:16 kf             jcamins: oh
13:16 jcamins        Debarring still works, but there's an extra date that I hadn't noticed.
13:17 jcamins        kf++ # for pointing out bug 7699, too
13:17 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7699 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Restricted until datepicker broken
13:19 kf             wb dgl-library
13:19 dgl-library    kf: thanks :)
13:20 kf             mtj was curious if it worked .)
13:20 dgl-library    haven't done it yet. will take a while to backup first.
13:21 dgl-library    but I'll let you know!
13:27 jcamins        Anyone who wants to have a say in what goes into Koha 3.6.5 has about two hours to make their thoughts known.
13:33 slef           Is there a nice way to remove itemless bibs?
13:33 slef           wahanui: faq?
13:33 wahanui        i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
13:34 jenkins_koha   Starting build #47 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:36 jcamins        slef: I think there is in 3.8, maybe.
13:36 slef           jcamins: heh. This is a 3.0 lib who I'm doing a little work for before they decide whether to upgrade. I guess I mess with mysql and the C4 API then.
13:37 jcamins        slef: yeah, I think that's the only way to do it in 3.0.
13:39 kf             jcamins: I think you can't do it in 3.8 - only when you have items
13:39 jcamins        kf: oh, I haven't used that feature.
13:39 kf             when you batch delete items, you can delete the record with the last item
13:40 kf             perhaps you were thinking of that? it's new in 3.8
13:40 jcamins        kf: yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
13:40 kf             and hi slef :)
13:46 * wizzyrea     waves
13:46 gmcharlt       good morning
13:46 kf             hi gmcharlt and wizzyrea too :)
13:48 jcamins        Good morning, gmcharlt and wizzyrea.
13:48 druthb         hi, gmcharlt and wizzyrea! :)
13:48 * jcamins      eagerly awaits wise feedback from wizzyrea and/or gmcharlt on what should or should not be included in 3.6.5. Feedback that they will no doubt offer well in advance of the deadline in 2:12.
13:49 wizzyrea       !
13:49 * wizzyrea     ponders
13:49 jcamins        :)
13:49 kf             a fix for the broken cart would be great...
13:49 jcamins        nengard and paul_p are also welcomed to give any feedback they may have.
13:50 kf             (but we don't have a patch for that yet :( )
13:50 jcamins        kf: there's no patch.
13:50 nengard        ?? missed something
13:50 jcamins        nengard: 3.6.5.
13:50 jcamins        You have 2:10 before it enters string freeze.
13:50 kf             nengard: it's only broken in all translations - english works fine
13:50 nengard        k ? webinar time for me - be back later ;)
13:51 kf             bug 8062
13:51 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Cart email broken for non english templates
13:51 kf             have fun :)
14:05 slef           15:04:31-10/05 zebraidx(5030) [log] MARC: Bad directory
14:05 slef           15:04:31-10/05 zebraidx(5030) [warn] MARC: Bad offsets in data. Skipping rest
14:05 slef           I don't like the look of that
14:07 kf             yes, does not look like fun
14:07 jcamins        slef: use -x
14:08 slef           jcamins: ta. Trying.
14:08 slef           is -x slower? Why don't I usually use it?
14:09 slef           Wide character in null operation at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96
14:09 slef           arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!
14:10 jcamins        slef: no, it's faster.
14:11 slef           rerunning with -k so I can look at the export
14:11 jcamins        We don't always use -x because until gmcharlt's recent work on DOM indexing, -x didn't work with authorities.
14:12 jcamins        Speaking of which...
14:13 jcamins        paul_p: ooh, I was just thinking about you.
14:13 jcamins        Is there any sample UNIMARC database that I could download?
14:13 * paul_p       hope it was thinking about me in good terms ;-)
14:14 jcamins        I was thinking "I hope paul_p comes around so that he can share a UNIMARC sample dataset."
14:14 paul_p         jcamins as soon as i'll have access to git.koha-community.org/contrib repo, i'll push the sandbox database !
14:14 paul_p         I and clrh have asked gmcharlt already, but still no success :(
14:14 jcamins        paul_p: who can give you access to the contrib repo?
14:14 jcamins        gmcharlt?
14:14 wahanui        rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology
14:14 paul_p         (clrh will push the KOCT code and I'll push the sandboxes)
14:14 paul_p         jcamins yep, gmcharlt
14:14 jcamins        We had some trouble getting my access to the main repo set up, too.
14:15 jcamins        gmcharlt: please help! paul_p needs access to the contrib repo to share the UNIMARC sample data, which I need to sign off on the UNIMARC DOM index config, which is required for the DOM code passing QA.
14:15 clrh           I sent another mail yesterday to gmcharlt about wip/biblibre...git too
14:16 kf             hm
14:16 kf             wasn't he here a minute ago?
14:16 jcamins        gmcharlt was here just a few minutes ago.
14:16 kf             yep
14:16 kf             paul_p: perhaps you could do a pull request? or push it to the biblibre repo?
14:16 jcamins        @later tell rangi the MyKoha demo is down.
14:16 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:18 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.6.x build #47: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/47/
14:18 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Revert "Bug 7837 - nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names"
14:18 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Revert "Bug 7699: Restricted until datepicker broken"
14:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7837 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names
14:18 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7699 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Restricted until datepicker broken
14:26 jcamins        paul_p: any chance you could put the dataset on a web server temporarily?
14:26 slef           bloody leader bloody character bloody MARC-8 no it's bloody not
14:26 jcamins        slef: sounds like a typical MARC record to me.
14:27 slef           did my if-fail-retry-as-the-other-encoding patch ever make it into Koha?
14:28 gmcharlt       clrh: I was able to successfully push to the contrib repo
14:29 gmcharlt       paul_p should try something git push gitmaster@git.koha-community.org:contrib/global local_branch_name:desired_remote_branch_name
14:29 clrh           gmcharlt: so I 'll retry
14:31 jcamins        slef: it doesn't ring any bells.
14:32 clrh           $ git remote -v
14:32 clrh           koha-contrib	gitmaster@koha-community.org:contrib/global.git (fetch)
14:32 clrh           $ git push koha-contrib master:koct
14:36 clrh           nothing happens
14:36 clrh           ssh: connect to host koha-community.org port 22: Connection timed out
14:36 clrh           fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
14:36 jcamins        clrh: you have a typo in your git remote.
14:37 jcamins        Open up .git/config and change "gitmaster@koha-community.org" to "gitmaster@git.koha-community.org"
14:39 jcamins        (notice the "git." before the URL)
15:01 reiveune       bye
15:06 clrh           thanks jcamins !
15:06 clrh           but I have a gitmaster password asked
15:07 jcamins        clrh: did you send gmcharlt your public key?
15:07 clrh           yes
15:07 jcamins        Hm.
15:07 jcamins        I'm not sure what the problem is. We had trouble when I first tried to push, too.
15:07 clrh           I didn't changed it ;)
15:07 clrh           hm
15:08 jcamins        He changed something for me then it started working.
15:08 kf             perhaps gmcharlt can check if it's correctly configured for claire once more?
15:21 clrh           I have to leave - I'll read the chan later thx
15:39 pastebot       "gmcharlt" at 50.79.238.214 pasted "clrh: this is the right key?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/393
16:00 kf             qa_team++ sekjal++ joubu++
16:03 kf             marcelr++
16:06 jcamins        Well folks, it's time.
16:06 kf             to go home?
16:06 kf             oh
16:06 jcamins        No, string freeze.
16:06 kf             string freeze :)
16:07 jcamins        kf: also, you should probably go home.
16:07 kf             I am about to :)
16:20 francharb      hi
16:25 Morthland      Howdy.
16:26 Morthland      How can I print a list of patrons with their card numbers?
16:35 oleonard       Maybe export to CSV and open in a spreadsheet program?
16:37 jcamins        Morthland: you could write a report to do that.
16:37 jcamins        There might even already be one.
16:37 jcamins        sql reports library?
16:37 wahanui        sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library
16:41 * jcamins      cheers the accounting homework-doing crowd.
16:43 cait           heh
16:43 cait           :)
16:43 cait           jcamins++
16:45 Morthland      Thank you.
16:53 sekjal         okay, lunchtime.  bbiab
17:54 druthb         o/
18:02 oleonard       Hi druthb
18:03 druthb         hi, oleonard!
18:04 cait           hi oleonard :)
18:04 cait           hi druthb :)
18:04 * druthb       squeals and waves at cait.
18:04 jcamins        druthb: order cait to go do her accounting homework.
18:07 druthb         but, jcamins....  uhm.
18:07 druthb         If she leaves, then she won't be here.
18:08 jcamins        druthb: true, and she'll feel guilty about not doing her homework earlier when she should've, right?
18:08 druthb         fair 'nuf..  and she can come back when finishes.
18:08 * druthb       stomps her lil foot, and points and the homework.
18:09 druthb         s/points and/points at/
18:09 cait           lol
18:09 cait           there is no way I am going to finish it today I fear
18:11 druthb         it's 20:11 where you are, cait?
18:11 cait           yes
18:11 druthb         Would working on it until 21:00 help?
18:11 cait           it would
18:15 druthb         Then go do that!
18:15 druthb         oleonard++
18:17 cait           :P
18:24 sekjal         wow, college dining halls have improved by quantum leaps since my day
18:25 jcamins        sekjal: really?
18:25 jcamins        I've noticed that med schools have pretty good dining halls.
18:25 sekjal         well, my sample set is pretty small...
18:25 jcamins        sekjal: so's mine.
18:25 sekjal         but UMass Dining Commons is vastly better than anything I had at UW
18:26 sekjal         (today was staff appreciation day or some such.... free lunch)
18:26 jcamins        Woohoo!
18:26 jcamins        T*I*SATAAFL!
18:26 jcamins        :)
18:27 jcamins        (There *Is* Such A Thing As A Free Lunch)
18:28 sekjal         it was good
18:28 sekjal         I feel like a snake now, though... ready to curl up somewhere warm and sleep
18:28 * druthb       gets out a big rock and a heat lamp
18:29 jcamins        Speaking of lunch, I'd kind of like some of the amazing walnut-pomegranate dal I made yesterday, but I am currently in use as a throne.
18:30 jcamins        And every time I shift, the center of the universe gives me a glare.
18:31 oleonard       jcamins: Simulate rebellion among the serfs by tossing something chaseable?
18:31 jcamins        oleonard: hehe.
18:31 sekjal         laser
18:31 jcamins        I should keep jingly balls around for that.
18:32 oleonard       When I had a dog I could shout "Hello?" towards the front door and she would bark, startling the cats out of whatever they were doing.
18:34 jcamins        That's fantastic.
18:36 jcamins        koha 3.10?
18:37 jcamins        wahanui, that wasn't very helpful.
18:37 wahanui        jcamins: excuse me?
18:37 jcamins        I will not!
18:37 jcamins        roles for 3.10?
18:37 jcamins        3.10?
18:37 cait           koha 3.10 will have a build in cat distraction module?
18:37 jcamins        Roles for 3.10 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10
18:37 jcamins        roles for 3.10?
18:37 wahanui        i think roles for 3.10 is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.10
18:37 jcamins        There we go.
18:39 druthb         wahanui: druthb?
18:39 wahanui        somebody said druthb was thinking she likes Amman.  A lot.
18:42 jcamins        :)
18:44 cait           :)
18:45 cait           well
18:45 cait           cait likes having druthb closer to her timezone
18:47 jcamins        You know, walnut-pomegranate dal was really rather inspired.
18:47 jcamins        If I say so myself.
18:48 cait           :)
18:50 wizzyrea       WHAT
18:51 wizzyrea       walnut pomegranate dal?!
18:51 wizzyrea       that sounds amazing.
18:51 * druthb       jumps at wizzyrea's yell
18:51 wizzyrea       brb
18:51 * wizzyrea     waves
18:51 wizzyrea       hey druthb :)
18:51 oleonard       That was a quick trip to the grocery store wizzyrea
18:51 druthb         hi, sweet wizzyrea!
18:51 jcamins        Hehe.
18:52 wizzyrea       well my colloquy was acting up
19:03 wizzyrea       don't be quiet on account of me
19:03 druthb         :P
19:03 jcamins        wizzyrea: the dal is like vegetarian fesenjan.
19:04 jcamins        :)
19:04 * wizzyrea     has to look that up
19:04 * jcamins      isn't surprised.
19:04 * jcamins      had to ask his Iranian friend what it was called.
19:04 wizzyrea       also, I have a video game framework
19:04 wizzyrea       oh pomegranate and walnut stew
19:04 * druthb       is going on a quest for cola.  no vending machines here.  None.  I'm hoping the c-store is still open, otherwise it's a solid half-mile hike to the grocery store.
19:04 wizzyrea       I see
19:05 wizzyrea       good luck druthb
19:05 schuster       Question - with the in line report prompts who did the modification?  I couldn't find it easily in Bugzilla.
19:05 jcamins        schuster: what do you mean?
19:05 wizzyrea       ?
19:05 schuster       Reports where you can now put <<Pick your branch|branches>> and it prompts for your branch
19:06 cait           schuster: what is your question? :)
19:06 schuster       Documentation says it only works with three authorized values.Branches, Item Types and Patron Categories
19:06 cait           hm no
19:06 cait           authorized values too
19:06 jcamins        Oh, that's wrong.
19:07 cait           and it#s in the newest documentation I think, because I think I remember from translating
19:08 schuster       Can you do 2 at a time?  I did branches and then tried ccode and it reported back a blank report.  needs to go try it without the branches...
19:08 wizzyrea       yes, you can do as many parameters as you want
19:08 jcamins        schuster: you can do as many runtime parameters as you want.
19:08 wizzyrea       jinx
19:09 cait           jcamins: I think you have to give her a beverage now or something like that
19:09 schuster       hmmm need to do a little more maybe it is something in my SQL...  I'm not able to do ccode it comes back blank.
19:09 cait           how did you do it?
19:10 jcamins        cait: I thought I wasn't around to talk until someone else said "jinx" or something like that.
19:10 cait           perhaps paste your sql to paste.koha-community?
19:10 cait           jinx?
19:10 cait           jcamins: I always forget how this works :(
19:10 cait           I remember sth with coke
19:10 wizzyrea       nah, I just jinxed, I didn't put any conditions on it
19:10 wizzyrea       :)
19:11 * jcamins      installs the new version of LibreOffice.
19:11 cait           :)
19:13 schuster       Ah I think I was mixing ccode with location...
19:13 jcamins        Myshkin is snoring loudly and pointedly. I wonder why.
19:14 schuster       That is Way cool and will offer me a LOT more flexibility without having to think 5 times before doing it with 67 locations!
19:18 cait           schuster: it really is way cool :)
19:21 jcamins        schuster: the new authority linking will be in 3.6.5.
19:22 jcamins        :)
19:23 schuster       jcamins - that too is WAY cool...  is anyone looking at modifying the frameworks to display/allow editing of the 336-338 tags for RDA?
19:24 jcamins        schuster: chris_n and I were discussing redoing frameworks in a way that would make that easier.
19:24 jcamins        However, no progress that I know of yet.
19:25 jcamins        And, of course, display is something else.
19:26 * jcamins      reflects on how one would display the 336-338 fields.
19:26 schuster       Trying to be that forward thinker here in preparation...  I know a couple of vendors have asked if we want that data yet.
19:28 jcamins        Yeah, I've thought about that, but it's one of those chicken and egg problems- I'd love to be able to say "oh, yeah, RDA-specific tags, those are totally supported by Koha," but I don't know of anyone who would actually use that feature.
19:31 * wizzyrea     created a video game framework today
19:31 jcamins        We really don't do anything with any 3xx fields other than 300, come to think of it.
19:31 jcamins        I don't think we even use 306 or 310.
19:31 jcamins        Ugh.
19:35 jcamins        wizzyrea: did it make good use of any 3xx fields?
19:35 wizzyrea       no >.>
19:35 wizzyrea       oh, lies
19:35 schuster       yeah...   not really 3xx fields were all pretty lame before
19:35 wizzyrea       300 :P
19:35 jcamins        wizzyrea: wise.
19:36 schuster       but if we are letting go of 245h - somehow we need to ponder display for these new 3xx's
19:36 * wizzyrea     has it as a sql framework export file
19:36 * jcamins      would love to see 342 and 343 being used.
19:36 schuster       marc 300
19:37 schuster       Oh what is the MARC documetation call?
19:37 jcamins        @marc 300
19:37 huginn         jcamins: A physical description of the described item, including its extent, dimensions, and such other physical details as a description of any accompanying materials and unit type and size. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8]
19:37 schuster       @marc 336
19:37 huginn         schuster: unknown tag 336
19:38 schuster       @marc 342
19:38 huginn         schuster: A description of the frame of reference for the coordinates in a data set. To work with a data set a user must be able to identify how location accuracy has been affected through the application of a geospatial reference method, thus enabling the user to manipulate the data set to recover location accuracy. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,2,6,8]
19:38 jcamins        @later tell gmcharlt If it's easy to do, huginn's marc tag database could use updating.
19:38 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
19:38 jcamins        schuster: yes, I confess I choose weird tags to focus on.
19:39 schuster       Made me worried I was talking about the wrong ones!!
19:39 jcamins        schuster: no, you had the right tags in mind.
19:42 jcamins        schuster: are your vendors offering records using 240/380 uniform titles?
19:48 schuster       I have not inquired on that front.  Again I think most of the vendors are waiting for us to tell them what we want....  chicken and egg problem.
19:49 jcamins        Understandable. I was just curious whether that was something else we should be thinking about.
19:53 chris_n        nengard: about?
19:54 nengard        sort of
19:54 chris_n        heh
19:54 nengard        multi-tasking :)
19:54 chris_n        have a read at this if you will: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7977#c51
19:54 huginn         04Bug 7977: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Signed Off , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage
19:54 chris_n        and let me know what you think
19:55 nengard        replied
19:55 nengard        you should probably remove the link for now
19:55 nengard        I won't remember the url you used :)
19:55 * chris_n      confesses that he ate all of the brownies :-(
19:55 nengard        and once it's in Koha I"ll document it/copy what you have in the help file to the manual
19:55 chris_n        nengard: so remove the links and references to them?
19:55 nengard        i think so ?.
19:55 nengard        is that okay?
19:55 chris_n        ok
19:56 chris_n        I'll do that in my follow up
19:56 oleonard       Bye #koha
19:56 chris_n        I hope I have written the help in such a way that you can mostly cut-n-paste
19:56 chris_n        bye oleonard
19:56 wizzyrea       bye oleonard
19:56 chris_n        nengard: thanks!
20:01 cait           chris_n: I wonder if it works with manual login, when you leave the autoselfcheck preferences empty?
20:02 cait           reading your mail to the list right now :)
20:02 cait           and do a manual login at the stations, not doing it automatically
20:02 chris_n        schuster just sent me an email to that effect
20:03 * chris_n      is giddy with the thought that it is that simple
20:03 cait           :)
20:03 chris_n        if so
20:03 cait           fingers crossed!
20:03 chris_n        we need a wiki page, tutorial, lights and banners, food, etc. to celebrate :-)
20:04 schuster       I'm not in production yet, but it looks like it will work.  That was my fear when I originally saw that development that we would not be able to do that...
20:04 schuster       manually log in due to multiple branches.
20:05 schuster       Our 42 elementary schools almost all use it daily!
20:09 chris_n        schuster: so it works in your sandbox?
20:10 chris_n        if so, I'll put it into production next semester
20:10 schuster       yes
20:10 chris_n        many, many people will be very,very happy... me included
20:10 chris_n        cool
20:10 * chris_n      sends schuster lots of chocolate and other goodies
20:10 schuster       I logged in with the generic user for that campus searched sql for that location - checked an item out and then checked SQL and it had incremented by 1
20:11 chris_n        wonderful
20:11 * chris_n      has to run or miss his ride home
20:11 chris_n        bbl
20:11 schuster       Of course that was after fixing sco_main.pl that owen had fixed and the bug is pushed..
20:11 druthb         success!  The c-store across the street might as well have been on mars--the "street" is six lanes of bumper-to-bumper, making 60km/hr or better.  So I walked the half-mile to the grocery store.
20:11 schuster       by!  glad I could help for a change!
20:12 schuster       Well that's one way to get your excersize in
20:12 schuster       How badly do you want to go to the grocery store!...
20:13 druthb         yah.  And way cheaper than the buying sodas from room service.  Two dinars for a little bitty can of coke is ludicrous.  I bought five *liters*, plus two packs of amazing little cookies, for 3.10 dinars.
20:14 cait           and then you carried 5 litres of coke back.. even more excercise :)
20:15 druthb         yes.  and it's *diet* coke, which the hotel does not have at all.
20:16 druthb         For the USians benefit, these cookies are like silver-dollar sized moon pies, only with coconut sprinkled on top.
20:16 * druthb       plans to bring some home for wizzyrea and the minion, fer sure.
20:16 * jcamins      isn't sure what a moon pie is.
20:17 druthb         !
20:17 jcamins        Wikipedia did not really clarify much.
20:17 jcamins        What are the cookies called in Arabic?
20:17 druthb         tsk tsk.  two cookies, with marshmallow creme between, all dipped in chocolate.
20:17 jcamins        Ah.
20:17 druthb         the english printing on this package is "Cikilop"
20:18 jcamins        Ah, it's Turkish. :)
20:19 druthb         they're teh yum.
20:20 druthb         four packages of eight cookies, for less than a dinar.
20:20 rangi          jcamins: demo site should be back up
20:21 jcamins        rangi: thanks.
20:21 wizzyrea       i approve of anything that has coconut on it
20:21 wizzyrea       also, flipboard for android. that is all.
20:21 rangi          morning btw
20:21 jcamins        Morning.
20:21 wahanui        morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
20:22 wizzyrea       mornin :)
20:24 cait           oh yum
20:33 jcamins        Speaking of yummy things -- as we were fifteen minutes ago -- what should I do with quinoa for dinner tonight?
20:35 wizzyrea       make fried quinoa cakes
20:35 jcamins        Hmm.
20:35 wizzyrea       only one of many recipes: http://greatist.com/health/recipe-basil-quinoa-cakes-041912/
20:35 druthb         mmmmmm
20:35 wizzyrea       they are *fantastic*
20:36 wizzyrea       10 minutes per side seems… long.
20:37 cait           :)
20:41 * sekjal       is messing around with DokuWiki... with the data plugin, it's pretty sweet
20:41 cait           :)
20:43 jcamins        An intriguing idea, but I think we'll be going with quinoa falafel on a bed of quinoa.
20:43 jcamins        So, I'm not very creative.
20:43 druthb         mmmm...falafel....
20:44 jcamins        druthb: you can get much better falafel than I can.
20:44 druthb         I'm sure.
20:45 cait           sekjal: looks interesting :)
20:46 ibeardslee     well, learn something new everyday in here .. 2013 has been declared UN International Year of Quinoa
20:48 jcamins        ibeardslee: huh. I didn't know that.
20:49 sekjal         is that intended to increase supply, or demand?
20:49 sekjal         or just awareness?
20:49 ibeardslee     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#History_and_culture
20:50 ibeardslee     follow that through to a pdf from the UN General Assembly
20:50 schuster       never heard of quinoa before what is it?
20:50 jcamins        http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/66/221
20:51 ibeardslee     I'd never heard of it before, that's why I hit wikipedia
20:51 jcamins        schuster: it's a type of grain.
20:51 jcamins        A very healthful one.
20:51 druthb         schuster: I'd not heard of it before I left texas, either.
20:55 druthb         @wunder Amman
20:55 huginn         druthb: The current temperature in Amman Airport, Jordan is 18.0°C (12:00 AM EEST on May 11, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
20:56 sekjal         @wunder 01003
20:56 huginn         sekjal: The current temperature in Computer Science Bldg - University of Massachusetts, Amherst, Massachusetts is 14.1°C (4:55 PM EDT on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1002 hPa (Rising).
20:58 wizzyrea       quinoa is like the grain of the gods.
20:58 schuster       @wunder 75074
20:58 huginn         schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 26.7°C (3:55 PM CDT on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
20:58 sekjal         g'night, #koha!
20:58 bag            @wunder 93109
20:58 huginn         bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.2°C (1:58 PM PDT on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
20:59 wizzyrea       @wunder lawrence, ks
20:59 huginn         wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 26.2°C (3:57 PM CDT on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
20:59 druthb         It cools off very dramatically here after dark...the high today was 37.
20:59 schuster       its the wunder game...  Wow Kansas is almost as bad as Dallas!  worse if you look at the humidity!
21:27 rangi          @wunder nzwn
21:27 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on May 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
21:29 jcamins        @wunder 11375
21:29 huginn         jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 16.1°C (5:02 PM EDT on May 10, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
21:29 rangi          oh i didnt know the programme was taking shape cool!
21:29 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Timings
21:30 rangi          yay first day!
21:30 rangi          then i can relax
21:31 liw            rangi :)
21:39 * mtj          purchased some quinoa from the supermarket, just  yesterday
21:41 rangi          liw: did you see http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Timings_2
21:41 rangi          should work eh?
21:42 liw            rangi, yep, that looks fine
21:42 liw            I assume "Debian packaging" is me and "Koha packaging" is eythian
21:42 rangi          thats the one
21:44 liw            cool
22:01 bag            bug 1807
22:01 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Failed QA , ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results
22:05 jcamins        Oh yeah, that's a nice one.
22:07 rangi          yeah that one is annoying
22:10 jcamins        The solution, of course, is a Search.pm rewrite.
22:10 jcamins        Preferably using some sort of query parser.
22:13 liw            Search.pm... Search.pm... oh dear, I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight, I'll be tossing and turning trying to get images of that out of my head
22:15 rangi          heh
22:15 rangi          yeah, that thing is horrid