Time Nick Message 00:09 jcamins 3.6.x has been updated. 00:09 jcamins Maybe. 00:10 jcamins Yes. 00:11 jcamins @later tell chris_n I pushed an updated version of the get_bugs.pl script to my Github repo. 00:11 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 00:13 jcamins rangi: there are scripts you might find useful in my github repository: https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools 00:13 jcamins I may have already told you that. 00:13 rangi thanks 00:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #45 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 00:20 jcamins jenkins_koha: if 3.6.x does not build successfully, I shall be very put out. 00:20 jenkins_koha jcamins did you mean me? Unknown command 'if' 00:20 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 00:21 jcamins rangi: if we used DBIx::Class, could we theoretically install Koha using sqlite? 00:21 rangi theoretically yes 00:22 rangi you could do some nice TAP type testing too, without a real db 00:22 jcamins Mwahahahahaha! (that was an evil laugh) 00:22 jcamins That was my thought. 00:22 rangi Test::DBIx::Class 00:23 rangi the nice thing with DBIx::Class is 00:23 rangi its not an all or nothing thing 00:23 rangi like a lot of ORM 00:23 rangi you can use it where it makes sense, and ignore it where it doesnt 00:24 jcamins The problem with my release test script is that it requires MySQL to be configured. 00:24 rangi *nod* 00:24 jcamins But I'm not trying to set up a system that is 100% functional. 00:24 jcamins I want to test that the installer works. 00:24 rangi mytap 00:25 jcamins i.e. after running through the install, I have a database. 00:25 rangi http://theory.github.com/mytap/ <-- not for this purpose but interesting nonetheless 00:26 jcamins Interesting. 00:34 chris_n 'evening 00:35 chris_n jcamins: thanks 00:36 chris_n jcamins: pushed 00:37 jcamins chris_n: thanks! 01:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #45: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/45/ 01:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7284: Authority matching improvements 01:02 jenkins_koha * mjr: bug 7284: fix package build problem, move BEGIN into new 01:02 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7284 follow-up: Update DBRev 01:02 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7493 [REVISED] Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments" 01:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7493 follow-up: Update DBRev 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority matching algorithm improvements 01:03 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7271 - change sort in items.pm to sort by home library instead of holding branch 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7629 - Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file 01:03 jenkins_koha * srdjan: Bug 6488: Display OPAC search result count conditional to OpacHiddenItems syspref 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7631 - Self checkout renewal fails because of reference to non-existent subroutine in sco-main.pl 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7645 - System preferences editor save button obscured by language chooser 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7636 - error when trying to email cart when opacuserlogin set to don't allow 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7493 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Deleting a record with comments breaks "Recent Comments" 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7271 normal, P3, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Revert getitems default sort to homebranch instead of holding branch 01:03 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7665 - Bibs with no ISBN's show broken images for covers when using Syndetics cover images 01:03 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 3216: UNIMARC author facets 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7609: Improving links to find analytics and volumes when using UseControlnumber (MARC21) 01:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7699: Restricted until datepicker broken 01:03 jenkins_koha * stephane.delaune: Bug 5749 Fix borrower address display in intranet 01:03 jcamins Yay! 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7629 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update sco.css to include CSS Gradients and prevent error upon missing background image file. 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7644 - Invalid markup in staff client language chooser 01:03 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7368 Typo in cart_to_shelf 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6488 critical, P2, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, opachiddenitems not working in master 01:03 jenkins_koha * dcook: Bug 7618 Escape HTML special characters for SQL displayed above results in Report module 01:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: welcome David Cook, you're 178th 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7656 - "undefined" pop-up message when putting hold on reference item 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7670 - make required fields red 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 4976 - Status of item returned with process_koc.pl is empty in Intranet 01:03 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7140: Added item description to complement icon to search result and biblio detail pages 01:03 jcamins Success! 01:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7724: Skip Linker test if Zebra isn't set up 01:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: welcome gaetan, you're 179th ! 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7631 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Self checkout renewal fails because of reference to non-existent subroutine in sco-main.pl 01:03 jenkins_koha * januszop: Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio records in batch (after updating multiple authority records) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7749: Not all OKs on the start page are translatable 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7645 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , System preferences editor save button obscured by language chooser 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable 01:03 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly 01:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7092 follow-up: Update DBRev 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 1 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7636 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , error when trying to email cart when opacuserlogin set to don't allow 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 2 - move sub writeoff to C4::Accounts 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 3 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7665 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Bibs with no ISBN's show broken images for covers when using Syndetics cover images. 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 4 - Change C4::Acounts::WriteOff to WriteOffFee 01:03 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 5 - Remove my from $branch, which was masking previous declaration 01:03 jenkins_koha * maxime.pelletier: Bug 7581: Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations in the OPAC not to work in singlebranchmode. 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7700: Cart's more details view shows identity numbers 01:03 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7753: serials-home displays library name instead of code 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7746: "No Public Lists." not translatable. 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 normal, P2, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , UNIMARC author facets 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7738: "Display more constraints' in subfield configuraiton is not properly translatable 01:03 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5180: FIX autocomplete on overdues report 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7609 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Improving links to find analytics and volumes when using UseControlnumber 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5482 - Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5482: Update colums.def file 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7699 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Restricted until datepicker broken 01:03 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 5482 [Follow up] Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 01:03 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 6125: repairs dateaccessioned plugin 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5749 normal, P4, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , The display of borrower adresses composed of streetnumber, streettype and address is broken 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 5841: Routing slip not displaying publication date 01:03 jenkins_koha * f.demians: SIGNED-OFF Bug 7590 Cataloging authorities search result page is broken 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all acquisitions pages 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all authorities pages 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add unique ids and a module class to all administration pages 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cart) 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7644 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Invalid markup in staff client language chooser 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (batch, error) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (catalog) 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7618 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , HTML special characters break result table and incorrectly show SQL in Run This Report 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (cataloguing) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (circulation) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton (lists, suggestion, z39.50) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patrons) 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7656 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , "undefined" pop-up message when putting hold on reference item 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7670 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , make required fields red in additem.pl 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (serials) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (tools) 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4976 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Status of item returned with process_koc.pl is empty in Intranet 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7724 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Tests requiring Zebra should be skipped if Zebra isn't set up 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (patroncard, labels) 01:03 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760 - Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customization (reports, ...) 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5657 normal, P3, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , biblio records update fails when updating multiple authorities linked with the same biblio 01:03 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7780: make silent/verbose flag for translation installing 01:03 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7702: [SIGNED-OFF] MARC21 heading tests should not run under UNIMARC 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Not all OKs on the start page are translatable 01:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7734 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable 01:04 jenkins_koha * gaetan.boisson: Bug 7761 - cleaning up empty declarations from staff-global.css 01:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7760: More ids and classes for the staff interface 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7727 - NORMARC XSLT OPAC detail view shows double tabs 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7837 - nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7597 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fines not recording the right info in the stats table 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7695 - Change boolean operator from "and" to "AND" 01:04 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7485 - Cannot edit barcode on Fast Add 01:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 4819: Add ids to OPAC detail page 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7436 - Set itemtypes.rentalcharge = 0 in sample data for nb-NO and de-DE 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7581 major, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Holds not working in OPAC in singlebranchmode 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7537 - Implement TraceCompleteSubfields, TraceSubjectSubdivisions and UseICU for NORMARC XSLT 01:04 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7617: Sort authority results by authid 01:04 jenkins_koha * serhijdubyk: Bug 6434 - Ukrainian and Russian MARC sql-tables 01:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 1662: Is there a difference between Full and Simplified for Serials History 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers 01:04 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7866: z39.50 search list ordered by rank 01:04 jenkins_koha * wizzyrea: Bug 7888 - Permission for "change password" button in circ toolbar should be "borrowers" instead of "staffaccess" 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7753 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , when displaying serials, library name should be showed and not code 01:04 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7858 - Missing packages from install_misc/ubuntu.packages 01:04 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7876 - Add ids to divs and spans with ids in opac-user.tt 01:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7482: overdues report downloads without names 01:04 jenkins_koha * tajoli: Bug 7143: Italian translation teams 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7445 - Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" 01:04 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7758 - Koha allowing LOST items to check out without alert 01:04 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 6701 - login timeout is in seconds 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7746 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, In staff 'No public lists.' is not translatable 01:04 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 7893 - add package dependencies 01:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7935: Introduce sys pref to control 'browse results' in OPAC 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7738 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, "Display more constraints" in subfield configuraton is not properly translatable 01:04 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 7935 follow-up: Update DBRev 01:04 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Updating euskara and french translation teams 01:04 jenkins_koha * serhijdubyk: Bug 7838 - Add sort-string-utf.chr for Ukrainian and Russian 01:04 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7940 - Placing a hold on a single item from the staff cart causes errors 01:04 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 7831 : Sort budgets for selection in new order 01:04 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8020 [3.8.x/MASTER] - update changelogs to get to 3.8 01:04 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7924 - Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove 01:04 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Update 3.6.x release notes template 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5180 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Autocomplete broken on overdues report 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6125 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Plugin for date acquired does not work on ACQ framework 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5841 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Routing slip not displaying publication date 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7590 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Cataloging authorities search result page is broken 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ids and classes to every staff page to help with customizaton 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7780 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , fix translator tool verbosity 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7702 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Test for C4::Heading::MARC21 should only run under MARC21 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , cleaning up empty declarations from staff-global.css 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7727 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, NORMARC XSLT OPAC detail view shows double tabs 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7837 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , nb-NO z3950servers.sql misses column names 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7695 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, RESOLVED FIXED, Boolean operator AND in XSLT gets translated 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7485 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Cannot edit barcode on Fast Add 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4819 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add ID attribute to certain areas of OPAC so jquery can be used to hide them 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7436 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Set itemtypes.rentalcharge = 0 in sample data for nb-NO and de-DE 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7537 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, Implement TraceCompleteSubfields, TraceSubjectSubdivisions and UseICU for NORMARC XSLT 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority search results should optionally be sorted by system order 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6434 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Many changes for Ukrainian and Russian sql-tables 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1662 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Is there a difference between Full and Simplified for Serials History 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7866 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Rank not used in Z39.50 search page 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7888 minor, P4, ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Permission for "change password" button in circ toolbar should be "borrowers" instead of "staffaccess" 01:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7858 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Missing packages from install_misc/ubuntu.packages 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7876 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add ids to divs and spans with ids in opac-user.tt 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7482 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , overdues report downloads without names 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7143 enhancement, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Koha allowing LOST items to check out without alert 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , language on timeout system preference is wrong 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7893 critical, P1 - high, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , Missing build-dependency on libdatetime-format-dateparse-perl and libreadonly-perl 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, Introduce sys pref to control 'browse results' in OPAC 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7838 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add sort-string-utf.chr for Ukrainian and Russian 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7940 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Placing a hold on a single item from the staff cart causes errors 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7831 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , In neworderempty budget drop down budgets should appear in a rational order 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8020 normal, P4, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Prepare debian packages for 3.8 release 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7924 major, P1 - high, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Fix handling of command line arguments in koha-remove 01:05 rangi heh 01:06 libsysguy man huginn must be really tired 01:14 chris_n huginn++ 01:15 jcamins Shari's home, so I think I'll go rest on my laurels having successfully updated 3.6.x. 01:16 libsysguy later jcamins 01:52 libsysguy rangi around? 01:52 rangi yup 01:52 libsysguy so I know we are trying to phase out C4::Dates right? 01:53 rangi yep thats the plan 01:53 libsysguy do you know the correct course of action for replacing the format_date() function 01:53 rangi must admit havent thought about it much 01:53 libsysguy ok 01:53 libsysguy i didn't know if there was already something in place or not 01:54 rangi afaik nothing yet 01:54 libsysguy ok cool 01:56 rangi probably Koha::Dates::format_date() and using hte datetime stuff 01:56 rangi but thats just a guess 01:56 libsysguy ok, I saw a DateUtils in there but it said in the doc that it was basically just there to hold things in place during the transition 01:56 rangi *nod* 01:57 libsysguy so Dates needs created 01:57 libsysguy challenge accepted :p 01:57 rangi :) 02:11 jcamins libsysguy: use the T::T filter for formatting dates. 02:12 rangi that currently uses format_date ... so when we have a replacement, it will need to use that 02:16 libsysguy ahh 02:16 libsysguy dang it now i feel the need to go back and fail that patch 02:17 rangi which patch? 02:17 wahanui which patch are we talking about? 02:17 libsysguy bug 8035 02:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8035 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , bibs with comments show an error in opac 02:17 rangi oh yeah 02:17 rangi it shouldnt do that 02:17 * libsysguy apologizes 02:18 rangi you can fail it and point at 02:18 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#Displaying_dates 02:19 rangi $_->{datereviewed} = format_date($_->{datereviewed}); that line should be fixed 02:19 libsysguy rangi++ 02:19 rangi and the date formatted in the teemplate 02:21 libsysguy I knew I had been seeing format_date less and less but I didn't know what the alternative was 02:22 rangi currently the plugin uses format_date .. but it means we only have to do it in one place 02:22 libsysguy makes sense 02:24 rangi jcamins_away: the 690 thing worked perfectly thanks 02:24 rangi libsysguy: http://grooveshark.com/#!/playlist/Koha+Hacking/8190140 02:25 libsysguy is this for my upcoming project 02:25 rangi :) 02:28 libsysguy this also makes for good finals studying music fwiw 02:28 rangi oh are finals soon? 02:28 libsysguy this week, had my first one today 02:28 libsysguy one tomorrow and one friday 02:28 rangi ahh good luck 02:29 libsysguy thanks, I'll need it 02:29 libsysguy actually I shouldn't say that…im really not that worried heh 02:33 rangi :) 03:28 Amit_Gupta heya bag 04:12 ronald hi koha I tried restoring the sql file from koha 3.4 to koha 3.6 but I got this error ' ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 3282: Can't create table 'koha_siche.letter' (errno: 150) ' . Anybody knows what it is? 06:10 magnuse kia ora #koha! 06:12 bag heya magnuse 06:12 wahanui it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 06:12 magnuse hiya bag 06:13 bag hmm.. bag? 06:13 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 06:13 bag YAY 06:13 magnuse :-) 06:13 bag my favorite is still mtj? 06:13 bag mtj? 06:13 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!! 06:13 bag or 06:13 magnuse yay 06:13 bag rangi? 06:13 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 06:14 magnuse hehe crazy people :-) 06:18 cait :) 06:18 cait morning all 06:18 alex_a bonjour koha 06:27 cait hi alex_a 06:28 alex_a hi cait 06:29 magnuse bonjour cait and alex_a 06:30 magnuse cait: back to work today? 06:35 Oak Ahoy me hearties 06:40 magnuse Oak 06:40 Oak magnuse 06:46 cait magnuse: yes 06:50 julian_m salut 06:50 wahanui niihau, julian_m 06:52 cait brb 07:01 asaurat hi 07:01 wahanui niihau, asaurat 07:01 Amit_Gupta heya wahanui, asaurat 07:22 paul_p hello #koha 07:23 kf hi paul_p and hi #koha 07:26 matts hello #koha ! 07:26 kf hm only 340 mails after 3 days vacation.. 07:26 kf hi matts 07:27 Oak welcome back kf 07:27 kf thx Oak :) 07:27 Oak :) 07:35 reiveune hello 07:35 wahanui what's up, reiveune 08:03 druthb o/ 08:04 hdl druthb: up early.... 08:05 druthb it's after 11 AM here, hdl. :) I'm not in my usual timezone. 08:05 hdl druthb: really where are you ? 08:06 druthb Amman, Jordan. :D 08:18 mimi hi, am trying to create cards using card creator and in the batch creation this is the error am getting(WARNING: The database returned an error while saving batch 0. Please have your system administrator check the error log for details.) where can i access this log 08:24 samuel hello everybody! 08:25 samuel something strange for me this morning: when i want to add a book, i've the following error "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2919." 08:29 slef samuel: most likely a corrupt record. Where did the details come from? 08:29 mimi am unable to create a patron cards using the patron card creator 08:30 mimi its suggesting i check the error on the logs. where can i view them? 08:30 samuel it's an import by z39.50 08:30 mib_d83t3c i'm looking for an upgrade guide from 3.6 to 3.8 ? 08:34 kf mimi: the error logs are text files - it depends a bit on your setup where they are 08:34 kf you have to access them on your server and can't do it from within Koha 08:35 kf they are probably stored in /var/logs/... 08:35 mimi thanks, let me check 08:37 samuel yes, it's in /var/logs/koha/koha-error.log 08:37 samuel i'll check it 08:38 kf mib_d83t3c: check the release notes for guidance - what kind of installation did you do? (packages, dev, standard?) 08:41 druthb gonna be attaching my first patch on Bug 8061 momentarily. :D 08:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P5 - low, ---, ruth, NEW , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages 08:42 samuel for me, it's a package, as we are in a period of test. When i look at the log , i see ": Table 'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist ......" 08:43 mib_d83t3c Thanks, it's a dev installation. 08:45 samuel i logout, i come back in 5 minutes 08:55 kf samuel: have you run the web installer? 08:55 samuel kf: yes, without any problems 08:56 samuel when i look at the log, it's always the same error "'koha.language_descriptions' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Languages.pm line 339." 08:56 samuel after "'koha.systempreferences' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 542." 08:57 samuel 'koha.language_descriptions' doesn't exist at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Languages.pm line 345 09:30 kf sorry samuel 09:30 kf at work 09:30 kf not sure what's going wrong there 09:30 kf which version are you looking at? 09:32 samuel me too, don't worry 09:33 samuel 3.07.00.049 09:41 druthb hi, Oak. :) 09:42 Oak hello druthb :) electricity... here comes and goes 09:42 druthb :) 09:42 kf samuel: perhaps thelanguage chooser acting up again? :( 09:45 samuel kf: which language? 09:45 wahanui which language is "nb" ? 09:46 kf samuel: was wondering if it's something with the language chooser - installed languages vs. languages in the system preference and so on 09:46 kf because all your errors seem language related 09:47 fredericd samuel: In you MySQL DB, do you have language_* tables? 09:48 kf oh 09:48 kf perhaps you didn't check the language/bidi support when running through the web installer? 09:49 samuel fredericd: i've the following tables: language_descriptions | | language_rfc4646_to_iso639 | | language_script_bidi | | language_script_mapping | | language_subtag_registry 09:51 kf samuel: do they have content? 09:51 kf you shoudl always have the tables, as they are in kohastructure, but you might not have the correct sample data 09:53 samuel yes 09:55 fredericd even in language_descriptions? 09:56 samuel yes 09:59 fredericd samuel: strange. Don't you have 2 Koha DB, and your koha-conf.xml file pointing to the wrong DB? 10:00 samuel only one, i can send you my conf by email, if you want 10:00 Amit_Gupta heya fredericd 10:00 wahanui fredericd is, like, translation manager for 3.8 10:54 kf someone around who can test something on current master for me? needs working email! 10:57 Amit_Gupta heya kf 11:54 chris_n @later tell sekjal arghhh 11:54 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded. 12:26 * chris_n greets oleonard 12:26 jcamins kf: around? 12:26 oleonard Hi everyone 12:30 mib_yh2146 hello all , i am try to install liblime_koha-4.08.23 on fedora 14 12:31 chris_n when translate says "Koha directories hierarchy for de-DE must be created first" what have I failed to do? 12:31 oleonard Sorry mib_yh2146 this channel is for talking about Koha, not Liblime Koha 12:31 oleonard mib_yh2146: I suggest you drop Liblime Koha and get real Koha http://www.koha-community.org/ 12:31 chris_n +1 12:31 jcamins +1 12:32 jcamins chris_n: in just a moment I'll run into the same problem you have, so we'll troubleshoot it together. :) 12:32 mib_yh2146 i am kinda newbee to it , what's diff b/w two ? 12:32 chris_n jcamins: are you testing bug 8062 also? 12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Cart email broken for non english templates 12:32 oleonard Koha is the real open source project with 100s of contributors 12:32 oleonard Liblime Koha is a fork which is only supported by one company 12:33 mib_yh2146 ah, got it then should better have koha real one 12:33 mib_yh2146 Thanks oleonard 12:33 oleonard Any time mib_yh2146 12:34 chris_n jcamins: there must be something missing... 12:34 chris_n Template process failed: file error - /home/cnighswonger/Repositories/koha.3.2.labels/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE/modules/installer/step1.tt 12:34 chris_n when running webinstaller 12:34 jcamins chris_n: no, bug 8061. 12:35 jcamins You did the translate install step? 12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8061 major, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Needs Signoff , Koha's templates do not cope well with right-to-left languages 12:35 kf jcamins: here, kinda 12:35 chris_n ahh 12:35 chris_n http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client#Adding_additional_languages_after_installing_Koha_on_your_server 12:35 jcamins kf: druthb knew how to download a new po file. :) 12:36 jcamins chris_n: uhhh... I'm 75% sure that's wrong. 12:36 kf chris_n: perhaps don't try de-DE:( po files are borked in master 12:36 jcamins chris_n: yeah, scroll up. 12:36 kf ah right 12:36 kf there is a zip file download link on the review tab 12:36 * kf has finished reading back now :) 12:37 kf any other questions? and thx everyone who is trying to confirm my bug against master! 12:37 jcamins chris_n: you're looking at the instructions for 3.0.6. 12:37 jcamins chris_n: for 3.2, it's just perl translate install ar-Arab 12:37 chris_n sadly that does not work 12:37 * chris_n is running master 12:37 kf chris_n: did you executei t in the misc/translator directory 12:37 kf ? 12:37 chris_n yes 12:37 kf hmm 12:37 kf is only german not working? 12:37 chris_n ./translate install de-DE 12:37 druthb the 3.8/master Arabic file is *thoroughly* broken. Don't know about other langs. 12:38 jcamins chris_n: that's bad. 12:38 kf say perl translate install nb-NO 12:38 jcamins I'm on 3.6-testing. I'll let you know how it goes. 12:38 kf jcamins: thx! 12:38 kf evil bug :( 12:38 kf fr-FR should probably work too 12:39 jcamins kf: I'm testing 8061. 12:39 jcamins Translation works fine on 3.6-testing. 12:40 chris_n ouch 12:40 chris_n its really broke now 12:40 gmcharlt good morning 12:41 chris_n fixed 12:41 * kf is worried now 12:42 chris_n it appears that attempting to install de-DE will cause early-morning distress :) 12:42 kf fatal errors in po files... 12:42 chris_n nb-NO appears to work fine at this point 12:42 kf I missed fredericd's deadline by a few hours :( 12:42 kf it annoys me endlessly 12:42 kf but my own fault 12:42 kf the file from pootle shoudl work fine, but in master it's broken until the next big release *sigh* 12:43 * kyleh wonders why [% USE KohaDates %] isn't just placed in a universal include file, rather than each template individually. 12:43 jcamins kf: you know what we need? 12:43 kf hm? 12:43 jcamins A script for fetching updated po files from pootle. 12:43 chris_n hi gmcharlt 12:44 kf oh 12:44 kf I wrote a batch script for that 12:44 jcamins I would accept a script like that into 3.6.x. 12:44 kf only no idea on which vm it lives currently.. 12:44 jcamins Did you file a bug and submit it? 12:44 kf honestly it was the first bash script I ever wrote 12:44 kf with hardcoded paths and all 12:44 jcamins kf++ # for sharing this script 12:44 kf not really submittable :) 12:45 kf and I have no idea where it is currently... which is also annoying 12:45 kf but it shoudl not be too hard to write another script? 12:45 kf jcamins: another problem is, that the po files outdate 12:45 kf the po files on pootle get updated constantly 12:46 kf so say you are running a 3.6.3 - you can't use the file for 3.6. 12:46 kf 4 12:46 kf it will work most of the time, but it can happen that you end up with untranslated things 12:47 jcamins kf: the reason I would accept it for 3.6.x is that there are some languages which are only just starting to get translated. 12:48 kf yeah, I only say you have to be cautious 12:48 kf because it will overwrite the 'released' po files 12:48 kf and you might not want that 12:49 jcamins If someone wants to use one of those languages, before the po file gets included in a release, they *have* to download it. 12:50 jcamins Might as well make it easier, right? 12:50 jcamins True. 12:50 kf yeah 12:50 kf as I said 12:50 kf what I did needs to be rewritten- and I lost the script I had ... so perhaps we should file a bug 12:53 kf jcamins: and if you could test the cart it woudl be great :) or someone else on master 12:54 jcamins kf: chris_n is working on that. :) 12:54 kf chris_n has an email problem - so I am searching for another volunteer :) 12:54 chris_n sorry :-( 12:54 jcamins Oh. 12:54 * chris_n 's sandbox is generally in a state of disarray atm 12:54 kf chris_n++ for trying and learning about translations :) 12:55 chris_n :) 12:55 jcamins I will see if e-mail works for me. 12:55 * chris_n thinks the webinstaller interface is a nightmare on the backside 12:59 jcamins chris_n: agreed. 13:03 oleonard I was testing the cart and discovered that I don't have email sending working in my relatively new VM 13:04 oleonard Is there an Idiot's Guide to getting Ubuntu set up to send emails? 13:04 druthb I'm headin' out for a hike back to the hotel, then dinner. See y'all soonly. 13:07 kf oleonard: I don't know one :( 13:08 oleonard Oh, I guess the short answer is "install postfix" 13:14 chris_n email? 13:15 chris_n email is postfix 13:15 chris_n email? 13:15 wahanui email is postfix 13:15 chris_n forget email 13:15 wahanui chris_n: I forgot email 13:15 * chris_n runs out of ideas 13:16 Guest1047 exim? 13:16 oleonard So anyway, I was able to send a cart from the French templates 13:16 kf and the mail looks right? 13:16 oleonard Yes, although it's not in French :| 13:16 kf oh weird! 13:17 oleonard Oh, because the template isn't translated :P 13:18 kf oleonard: well, that's an explanation 13:18 kf I think something in the trnaslations process is breaking it... not the po files, but something else 13:19 oleonard It's an unfortunate omission 13:19 kf oleonard: it used to be translatable 13:20 kf is the french po file complete? is it the same for norwegian? 13:21 kf hm. 13:22 oleonard nn-NO? 13:23 * oleonard realizes his fr-FR templates might be out of date 13:23 kf nb-NO :) 13:23 kf it would be great if you could check 13:23 oleonard I figured it had an N in it anyway ;) 13:23 kf there are too - it's not easy! :) 13:24 kf jcamins++ oleonard++ :) 13:24 kf thx a lot! 13:25 oleonard No problem. I'm avoiding my Accounting homework. 13:25 jcamins Hehe. 13:25 kf oleonard: you have those too? :) 13:25 * kf is at work, so can't do accounting now 13:26 * libsysguy is at work and is still doing homework 13:27 * chris_n wonders why the webinstaller templates have the privilege of ignoring shift-F5 13:27 chris_n ctl-f5 rather 13:38 jcamins $ git qa 7977 13:38 jcamins :D 13:38 * chris_n threatens webinstaller with a re-write 13:38 kf bug 7977 13:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Needs Signoff , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage 13:38 jcamins Woohoo! 13:38 jcamins chris_n++ 13:38 kf chris_n: wizzyrea has a wiki page with ideas :) 13:39 chris_n some sort of weird caching foo going on here which makes it hard to debug 13:46 jcamins chris_n: 7977 looks good to me. 13:46 jcamins Is there anything additional I should be checking? 13:47 chris_n jcamins: not that I can think of 13:47 chris_n basic functionality 13:47 chris_n coherent instructions/help 13:47 chris_n I've addressed most all of owen's points 13:48 chris_n so I think that's it :) 13:48 jcamins All looks good to me. 13:48 oleonard I don't know chris_n, I didn't fly to work today on a unicorn :P 13:49 chris_n lol 13:49 asaurat I did! 13:49 asaurat but then I woke up 13:50 kf lol 13:50 asaurat and eventually flew on a flying poney like everyday -_- 13:50 chris_n oleonard: all unicorns revert to mice after midnight 13:53 jcamins chris_n: running the unit tests now. 13:54 chris_n jcamins: make sure you run them on a very fresh install... as in one you have not accessed opac in yet 13:54 chris_n once the timestamp fields are updated in the sample data, the test will fail on that field 13:54 kf oh 13:54 jcamins chris_n: oh, oops. 13:54 chris_n there's just no way around it 13:54 jcamins chris_n: tjat 13:55 jcamins *that's not so good. 13:55 kf asaurat: can you help me with soomething? I am looking for someone to test bug 8062 on master 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8062 critical, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Cart email broken for non english templates 13:55 * chris_n also figured that unit tests are designed to be run in conjunction w/the installer 13:55 jcamins I run the unit tests every time I test anything. 13:55 chris_n all db_dependent tests will fail once the sample data is changed 13:55 asaurat kf: ok 13:56 jcamins chris_n: oh, you meant sample data in general. 13:56 kf asaurat: it needs a working translation and mail working :) 13:56 chris_n jcamins: db_dependent tests are only designed to pass on pure sample data 13:56 jcamins Yes, I have an installation which is just the sample data. 13:56 oleonard Melding sendt! 13:56 asaurat kf: ah, but there is no patch, what do you need ? 13:57 kf checking it's broken in master too 13:57 asaurat ok 13:57 oleonard kf: Confirmed in master 13:57 kf I could only confirm up to 3.6.4 13:57 kf oleonard: oh! thx! 13:57 * chris_n goes back to hammering webinstaller 13:57 kf did I miss your message? 13:57 jcamins chris_n: I don't like that viewing the OPAC causes the tests to break. 13:57 kf oleonard++ 13:57 oleonard No, I just now remembered my translation process finished 13:57 oleonard No subject, no message body 13:58 kf eew 13:58 kf but yes, that's what I expected 13:58 chris_n jcamins: sorry, but that's the nature of the beast... anything other than pure sample data will break db_dependent tests 13:58 chris_n which is why they are optional :-) 13:58 kf oleonard: you tested on master? then I will update the bug accordingly - which language? :) 13:58 kf or will you? 13:58 jcamins chris_n: but all the tests other than this one work when I'm signing off. 13:58 jcamins Eh. 13:58 jcamins I'll sign off anyway. 13:58 oleonard I can update it. Which number? 13:59 jcamins I'll add a SKIP to this test for sign off. 13:59 chris_n sadly there is no other way to check the choose by date aspect 13:59 chris_n afaict 13:59 kf 8062 13:59 kf and thx again :) oleonard++ 13:59 jcamins chris_n: what about testing tomorrow? 13:59 chris_n but I'm very open to other options 13:59 chris_n lol 13:59 kf asaurat: bug is confirmed :) but thank you! asaurat++ 14:00 chris_n jcamins: the real problem there is that tomorrow never gets here :-) 14:00 asaurat kf: ok you're welcome =) 14:01 jcamins chris_n: oh, no way to specify the date. 14:02 oleonard kf: I just noticed I got 100s of lines of errors when I ran the translation script 14:02 chris_n the problem stems from the sample data having a timestamp of 0 14:02 jcamins chris_n: couldn't you set any quotes with a timestamp of today to a timestamp of 0 for the tests? 14:02 oleonard "Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/perl5/Locale/PO.pm line 472, <IN> line 89328." 14:03 chris_n probably, but isn't munging the sample data to ensure the test passes akin to cheating the test? 14:03 chris_n however, we can do that if that is what folks feel needs to be done 14:03 kf oleonard: yes, there seems to be a problem - magnuse reported that too :( I had not much time to test recently 14:03 * chris_n likes *always* passing tests 14:04 jcamins I will try this idea. Hold on. 14:05 jcamins chris_n: not really. We do that with a lot of the other tests already. 14:05 jcamins This is slightly more destructive, but if you're running unit tests on an active installation, you clearly don't mind. 14:05 jcamins Or we could even stash the date. 14:05 jcamins That's a better idea. 14:05 * chris_n cheers jcamins on 14:08 jcamins Oh, but there could be multiple quotes with a timestamp of today. 14:08 jcamins Okay, destructive is the way to go. 14:09 jcamins How do you destroy mysql statement handles? 14:10 * oleonard offers jcamins a torch 14:10 jcamins Oh, it's not necessary. 14:11 jcamins chris_n: why do we need Test::Deep? 14:12 chris_n in order to allow regexps in testing deep data structures 14:13 chris_n if you don't have it those tests will be skipped 14:13 jcamins Ah. 14:13 * chris_n wrestles webinstaller into submission 14:14 chris_n in this case it averts other date-related failures 14:14 chris_n but can be very useful in other cases as well 14:14 jcamins subtest doesn't work. 14:16 chris_n ? 14:17 pastebot "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "chris_n: error from unit test" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/390 14:17 jcamins Something to do with DBI, I think. 14:19 jcamins Nope. 14:19 chris_n it runs fine here... I'll do a fresh install and check again 14:21 chris_n my new "check all" button on the framework/sample data page makes installing test data a breeze 14:22 jcamins I have an old version of Test::More, probably. 14:23 jcamins I will try installing a new version. 14:23 jcamins Yup. That fixed it. 14:23 * chris_n does find an anomaly 14:24 pastebot "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "Test weirdness" (47 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/391 14:24 chris_n I'll need to check on that one 14:24 chris_n first pass fails a test while an immediate second pass passes 14:26 jcamins I have the same thing happening, now that I've updated Test::Simple. 14:31 chris_n fixing now 14:32 jcamins You can either attach a follow-up, which I'll squash into the test patch, or replace the test patch. 14:35 chris_n jcamins: I've attached the fix to 7977 14:36 chris_n you can squash... otherwise I'll have to reorder the bug attachments... :P 14:36 chris_n the problem stemmed from the way I was ref'ing the sub 14:36 jcamins I'll be reordering them anyway. 14:37 chris_n cool 14:37 jcamins Well, reposting. 14:38 jcamins Okay, that fixed it. 14:43 chris_n jcamins: stand by for a further fixup for Koha.t 14:44 jcamins chris_n: standing by. 14:45 * oleonard grumbles about not being able to specify a remote image for a collection code 14:45 chris_n ok, squash that one into Koha.t as well 14:45 * chris_n just learned something about importing functions which he did not know before 14:45 chris_n that will ensure that future tests of C4::Koha work as well 14:46 jcamins Squashed. 14:47 chris_n I did not know that 'use foo qw()' imports *only* the subs mentioned in qw() omitting @EXPORT 14:47 * jcamins did not know that either. 14:48 chris_n by adding ':DEFAULT' to qw() you get @EXPORT and whatever else you choose there 14:48 chris_n for module tests it probably makes sense to import the entire shebang 14:49 jcamins Bug 7977 is signed off. 14:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Signed Off , Add a "Quote-of-the-day" feature to the OPAC homepage 14:50 jcamins unimarc? 14:50 wahanui unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 14:50 chris_n jcamins++ 14:53 kf ah no paul 14:54 kf ccode at biblio level? I don't think this should work 14:54 jcamins ccode isn't stored at biblio level. 14:55 jcamins itype can be at biblio-level, not ccode. 14:55 jcamins What does opac-topissues do? 14:55 oleonard Most checked out items 14:56 jcamins Oh my. 14:56 * jcamins gouges his eyes out. 14:57 jcamins Let this be a warning to you all! 14:57 jcamins Don't look at the source of opac-topissues.pl! 14:57 kf jcamins: yes, that's what I am saying - it should not work. It's probably configured that way someohow... but the code does not know 14:57 kf jcamins: are you blind now? want a cookie? 14:57 * jcamins slams his head on the desk repeatedly, trying to dislodge the horrifying SQL from his cranium. 14:58 jcamins Yes please! 14:58 * kf hands ysou a cookie and puts a pillow on the desk 14:58 jcamins paul_p: ccode isn't stored at biblio level. It's itemtype that can be biblio- or item-level. 14:59 paul_p jcamins = yes, ccode CAN be stored in biblioitems.itemtype. Just connect your ccode authorised_values to the field that uses biblioitems.itemtypes, and it works like a charm ! (except for opac-topissues) 14:59 kf paul_p: but why would one want to do that? 15:00 paul_p this ccode thing is really a pain... (error in implementation) 15:00 kf doesn't it break circulation in other places? 15:00 paul_p kf = not at all. 15:00 kf and why not use itemtypes if you want ccode to act like itemtype? 15:00 paul_p and many libraries supported by us are doing that. 15:01 jcamins paul_p: how do you have itemlevel itypes set? 15:01 kf paul_p: I understand they are doing it, I only don't understand why 15:01 kf paul_p: the reasoning for exchanging ccode and itemtypes 15:01 paul_p kf = because we have many libraries that have a different issuingrule for a given biblio (1 that can't be issued, and 3 that can't), but that's a book, so they don't want to record it 3 times -at item level- 15:01 paul_p (1 that can't be issued, 3 that can) 15:02 paul_p to = biblioitems.itemtype = 'book' and items.itype ='NOCHECKOUT' or 'NORMAL' 15:02 paul_p and ccode is empty 15:02 kf paul_p: I still think this sounds like a bad idea 15:02 paul_p well items.ccode field is empty 15:03 paul_p kf = how could you setup Koha then ? 15:03 kf I think I would use a different field, but it will not hlep your problem here 15:03 oleonard paul_p: Why not items.itype ='NOCHECKOUT' or 'NORMAL' and items.ccode = 'book' ? 15:03 kf I think the biblio itemtype is not something I have seen in other ils so far, so noone ever requested it 15:03 kf we do it all on item level 15:04 kf which is also necessary because of the union catalog situation 15:04 wahanui okay, kf. 15:04 paul_p oleonard = because if the library has 5 items of this document, then they all are books and it's useless to store 5 times items.ccode='book' 15:04 kf items are local, bibliographic records are central (from the union catalog, same for all) 15:04 kf forget which 15:04 wahanui kf: I forgot which 15:04 paul_p (at least in UNIMARC, if one is a book and one a large-print book, then it's supposed to be a different biblio) 15:05 kf paul_p: that's the same here - but I think people are using ccodes different 15:05 kf or can use them different 15:05 kf not only to reflect the type of item... so they might be different for each item 15:05 oleonard paul_p: What is objectionable about that redundancy? Data entry? the appearance in the OPAC? 15:05 paul_p kf = so for you bibliotems.itemtypes is always empty ? 15:05 kf paul_p: I set it to the mostly used itemtype by default 15:05 paul_p oleonard I think both. 15:06 kf becaus this way it will appear as default on the item form 15:06 kf and there used to be bugs if it was empty (with holds) but I think they are fixed now 15:07 oleonard For us item type and ccode are *usually* redundant and no one has complained : http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=48473 15:08 paul_p oleonard = some UNIMARC addicts have (but, as you know, frenchies are always complaining ;-) ) 15:09 slef paul_p: can I have a word? 15:09 paul_p s/UNIMARC addicts/UNIMARC addict french libraries customers of BibLibre/ 15:09 kf paul_p: I can see some reasons to do it... but I think the code is not made for it 15:09 paul_p slef of course 15:12 paul_p kf = well, I've a long lasting feeling that there's a mess with all this code... 15:13 kf paul_p: define all this? :) 15:14 reiveune1 bye 15:14 jcamins paul_p: opac-topissues is certainly horrifying. 15:15 paul_p I think the itemtype should always have been for ... the item type, and something else should have been introduced for issuing rules that differ from itemtypes. Now we have itemtypes for item type or issuing rules, and the item type is sometimes in authorised values. Having icons added into authorised_values is a symptom that there is something wrong. With the QA we have now, it would not make his way into Koha (at least with me as RM !) 15:16 kf paul_p: hmm 15:16 slef what are the best slots at a conference? Opening each half-day? 15:16 kf paul_p: I don't think I fully agree - I think the naming is perhaps wrong, but ideally the itemtype should come from the marc21/unimarc record 15:16 slef I am going mad with this schedule 15:16 paul_p but that's another topic, and probably almost impossible to change now. 15:17 kf paul_p: I see itemtypes not as ITEMtypes... I always tell the libraries to treat them as loan types 15:17 kf and put everything else they want for search into collections and locations 15:18 kf and they like the small icons that are generated using the marc21 fields (with the exception that there is one buggy combination I have to track down sometime) 15:18 paul_p kf = so in fact, you agree with me ;-) (in Koha 1.x and 2.x the "document type" was in biblioitems.itemtypes. It has been introduced at item level to have different issuing rules) 15:18 paul_p (biblioitems => biblio level) 15:18 paul_p in Koha 2.x = biblioitems.itemtypes = material type AND issuing rule applied. 15:19 kf ok, I might agree that the naming is unfortunate and perhaps we needed something else - but it's done now :) and I always thought it was intended that you could have circulation rules on biblio level (although it does not make sense for academic libraries here) 15:21 oleonard Is there no UNIMARC material type designation? That sounds like what you're talking about paul_p 15:22 paul_p oleonard = the material type designation can be in 200$b, but that's used in BNF records, and sometimes/often, libraries want a different value, like "printed material" for BNF being "book", "children book", "fiction book" for the library. So we usually put it in a X9X field 15:23 oleonard What would you use a new biblio-level document type for? 15:24 paul_p oleonard = itemtypes or ccode, depending on your setyp. And it really works well already. Except for opac-topissues. 15:25 oleonard Well if opac-topissues is all this is about then re-write it since it's such a mess 15:25 * paul_p feel a bugfix will be needed, something like "if syspref is ccode, then check if ccode is attached to items.ccode or biblioitems.itemtype" 15:25 paul_p (and do the JOIN accordingly) 15:25 oleonard But if in general itemtypes+ccodes are not enough to solve everyone's problems then what do we need to add? 15:25 kf paul_p: and that is why I say it "feels wrong" 15:25 kf paul_p: because the proposed fix will bend the rules 15:26 paul_p kf = bend the rules ? 15:26 kf hm 15:26 kf not sure how to explain what I mean, trying to find words 15:27 kf I think it's changing something in a way that it was never designed to do, and in a way that will not be obvious or logical 15:28 kf and it's going to explode in another place next time 15:28 kf with a new feature added 15:28 kf and it's even mroe complicated 15:28 kf because advancedsearchtype is no longer a single value 15:28 kf uhoh 15:29 kf you can have itemtypes, locations and collections searchable at the same time now 15:29 kf so how is it going to choose? 15:29 paul_p kf = I don't want to add a new feature ! just fix opac-topissues to handle properly this configuration. 15:29 paul_p mmm... you're right, we will probably have a problem here (and everybody will, because the code says : $if (advanced_search_types eq 'ccode') 15:30 kf yeah 15:30 paul_p so, it's broken for everyone ! 15:30 kf well everyone using more than one search otpion and having top issues activated :) 15:30 paul_p yep 15:30 slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Timings first draft posted 15:31 kf I also think the combination of item-level_itypes activated + forcing it to use a biblio level value is probably going to be bad 15:32 jcamins slef: thanks for scheduling my talk at the end of the day. 15:32 jcamins I forgot to ask you to do that. 15:32 slef jcamins: which one was yours? :) 15:32 slef I think I started off with it there (guessing at timezone) but probably moved it 3 times since. 15:32 jcamins "But my patrons need more information!" 15:33 slef oh right... no I didn't move that one around too much 15:34 slef jcamins: remind me, are you presenting over videolink? 15:34 kf paul_p: I think doing it right would require lots more work - I mean making it flexible enough to have this mix of item leel and biblio level work in all cases - but as it's broken now anyway, we will need it fixed oen way or the other 15:34 kf paul_p: thinking if you can fix it that it works with oyur setup and other configurations it will always be an improvement over what it's doing now :) 15:34 paul_p kf well, just fixing opac-topissues for this particular case is easy. Rewrite everything is ... well ... too big... 15:34 jcamins slef: I'll use Skype or some other video conferencing program if all works, but I'm also going to write the paper in advance and send it to someone who will be at KohaCon, so that we have a backup plan for when technology undoubtedly fails us. 15:35 kf paul_p: I agree, but I am not sure cheating the configuration this way will not cause you more headache in the future 15:35 kf paul_p: not talking about topissues, but perhaps other places 15:36 kf it's only it feels wrong to me still perhaps :) 15:36 slef jcamins: can you put "(remote presentation)" or similar on the abstract on the wiki please? 15:36 paul_p kf = as I said, many libraries are using this configuration safely here. But I agree we will have to double check any update in this area ! 15:36 kf probably key is to not assume a mapping, but have the code check for it each time 15:42 jcamins You know, a better solution for topissues would probably be to use the reports webservice. 15:43 slef ----------------------Attendance Details------------------ 15:43 slef Conference (5-7 June 2012): - 15:43 slef Hackfest (9-11 June 2012): - 15:43 slef 15:43 slef guessing that's not a valid registration then... 15:43 jcamins slef: probably not. 15:54 chris_n can someone remind me why we permit the unchecking of "mandatory" data in webinstaller? 15:55 jcamins chris_n: I have no idea, but I have wondered about that in the past. 15:55 chris_n it seems sort of counter productive to the entire hope of a working installation 15:55 jcamins Agreed. 15:58 kf chris_n: perhaps because it's not knowig that it's mandatory 15:58 kf for example it pulls the label from the folder name 15:58 kf that's why some languages have different names for the directories 15:59 chris_n kf: right 15:59 kf and I think it's listing them alphabetically? and whatever you put there will work (.txt + .sql file) 15:59 chris_n so the question is: should mandatory things not have the option of being unchecked? 15:59 kf so not easy to fix 16:00 kf yes, but where do you tell it what is mandatory? 16:00 chris_n it sorts them correctly afaict 16:00 chris_n ie. things under the "mandatory" header are indeed mandatory... at least in en 16:00 kf yeah, I meant when you name the folder not mandatory, but something else 16:00 kf mandatory is before optional in the alphabet :) 16:01 chris_n no, I think there is code on the backend to discern because the mandatory foo comes up checked by default 16:01 chris_n so somewhere it has to know 16:01 kf ah 16:01 kf hm yes 16:01 kf perhaps has the names of the sql files? 16:01 kf somewhere? 16:01 kf good point :) 16:01 kf ok, now I go! 16:01 kf bye all :) 16:01 chris_n bye 16:02 chris_n well, I have added a "check-all" option which preserves whatever comes up checked by default when unchecked 16:02 chris_n hmm... does that make sense? 16:03 jcamins I think so, yes. 16:09 francharb hi 16:31 evyugi hi, I just started installing koha on ubuntu 11.10 and am very new to all this, are there anyone that can offer me some assistance? 16:33 jcamins evyugi: if you have a specific question, you should just go ahead and ask. Anyone who can help will do so. 16:35 jcamins paul_p: when will you be doing your next round of pushing to master? I'm very much looking forward to bugs 7248 and 7249 being pushed. 16:35 oleonard And 5184! 16:36 slef bug 5184? 16:36 wahanui bug 5184 is the priority 16:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Upgrade jQuery to the latest version 16:37 slef jcamins: meta-question? 16:37 wahanui just ask, don't ask if you can ask and if the right people are not here, they won't answer or you can use huginn's @later to leave a message 16:37 jcamins Oh yeah, that's a great one too. 16:37 jcamins slef: yes? 16:37 slef jcamins: see wahanui ;) 16:37 jcamins Ooh, that's a good one. 16:38 slef could do with some rewriting, but you get the idea 16:38 evyugi i'm using the wiki guide, and at the last step to configure koha via admin page, and getting this software errors:Software error: 16:38 evyugi Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 730. 16:38 evyugi Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33. 16:38 evyugi BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33. 16:38 evyugi Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 25. 16:38 evyugi BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/mainpage.pl line 25. 16:39 evyugi please pm me if u can help 16:39 slef please don't ask for pm... the answers should be shared 16:39 evyugi ok, if that convinent too 16:39 slef evyugi: have you created a kohaadmin user in your mysql? 16:39 evyugi yes i have 16:39 jcamins evyugi: which wiki guide? 16:39 slef have you checked that it can connect with mysql? 16:40 slef oh no 16:40 slef use INSTALL.ubuntu not the wiki 16:40 evyugi wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/koha_on_ubuntu 16:40 slef the INSTALL file will match the version you downloaded 16:40 slef the wiki might not 16:40 evyugi oh, that in the tar right? 16:40 jcamins evyugi: if you are using Ubuntu 11.10, you should use the packages. 16:40 slef yep, just in the top folder 16:40 jcamins packages? 16:40 wahanui it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 16:41 slef oh yeah, packages are good too 16:41 mib_1z43xy I saw the same message yesterday on my first-time install, i found that i had the wrong database name, koha instead of what I made it kohadb 16:43 evyugi @slef should i uninstall everything and restart? i'm still new to all this 16:43 huginn evyugi: I suck 16:43 slef wow, INSTALL.ubuntu is for 9.04 16:43 slef evyugi: I think fixing is better than wiping, but it's up to you. 16:44 evyugi is there one for 11.10? 16:44 oleonard INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid is for 10.04 LTS 16:44 jcamins However, the packages are much easier. 16:44 slef oleonard: is that the latest LTS? 16:44 jcamins evyugi: if you are already running into problems with installation, you are almost certainly better off using the packages. 16:44 slef evyugi: see jcamins 16:44 oleonard slef: I think the latest release is the newest LTS 16:45 jcamins Bah. 16:45 jcamins I just screwed up the git repo. 16:45 slef jcamins: I didn't know you had write access to it! 16:45 evyugi k, ill try that 16:45 jcamins Sorry folks. 16:45 jcamins slef: I'm RMaint. 16:46 slef jcamins: oic. I can never remember so I go 16:46 slef RMaint? 16:46 wahanui RMaint are rangi and jcamins 16:46 jcamins gmcharlt: any chance you could delete the 3.6.x-rmaint/testing branch? 16:46 jcamins My script had a typo. 16:46 slef back in 75mins for kohacon12 meeting 16:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #46 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:59 jcamins I think maybe I need to use WWW::Mechanize to automate marking things as pushed to stable. 17:01 oleonard Under what conditions does a user's CGISESSID change? Is it tied to the session controlled by the "timeout" system pref? 17:06 jcamins magnus_afk: should bug 7537 have been pushed to 3.6.x? 17:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7537 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, Implement TraceCompleteSubfields, TraceSubjectSubdivisions and UseICU for NORMARC XSLT 17:07 jcamins @later tell magnuse Should bug 7537 have been pushed to 3.6.x? I can revert it if you want me to, but I need to know soon. 17:07 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 17:09 mib_1z43xy I keep getting a error when doing "apt-get update" GPG error the following signatures wew invalid ... 17:09 mib_1z43xy were invalid 17:10 mib_1z43xy this is from http://ftp.indexdata.dk/bedian/indexdata.asc file 17:10 mib_1z43xy i've downloaded it several times with the same result 17:11 mib_1z43xy i've apt-key del Indexdata then added it again with the same result when updated 17:12 mib_1z43xy any ideas what i need to do? 17:12 jcamins mib_1z43xy: if you're on a recent version of Ubuntu, you don't need to install the GPG signatures. 17:13 jcamins It's also safe to ignore that error, which is what I do. 17:13 gmcharlt jcamins: done 17:13 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks! 17:14 mib_1z43xy thanks but i did try to ignore it and the result i have now is that i .... i don't think indexing is working 17:15 jcamins searching faq? 17:15 wahanui searching faq is, like, at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 17:15 jcamins ^^ you'll want to read that document. It is *very* unlikely that the problem you are encountering is a result of the package installation, unless the problem is that Zebra hasn't been installed at all. 17:15 mib_1z43xy i installed all sample data durinf install and then added 5 additional marc21 records and still can't get any results from the opac search page 17:16 mib_1z43xy its install, ldzebra 17:16 mib_1z43xy i'll check out the faq 17:17 mib_1z43xy btw, i followed INSTALL.Debian guide 17:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #46: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/46/ 17:33 jenkins_koha robin: Bug 7824 - [3.6.x] show the first name correctly in the OPAC user update screen 17:37 mib_1z43xy the FAQ helped me solve it, thanks very much! 17:56 nengard is bugs.k-c down? 17:58 nengard okay ? bugs.k-c is down 17:58 jcamins nengard: seems to be down, yes. 17:59 nengard who manages that? 17:59 nengard hosts that? 17:59 jcamins It's on the wiki. 18:00 nengard rangi wizzyrea gmcharlt bugs.k-c is down 18:00 nengard you're the ones listed with access on the wiki :) 18:00 slef hi 18:00 wahanui hi, slef 18:00 slef anyone here for kohacon IRC meeting? 18:01 * jcamins isn't, but he'll pretend. :) 18:01 jwagner I guess, if I can be of any help 18:01 nengard hehe 18:01 slef #startmeeting 18:01 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 18:01 huginn Meeting started Wed May 9 18:01:41 2012 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01 slef #topic Introductions 18:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:02 slef Please, introduce yourself by starting with #info like wahanui just did. 18:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:02 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop (support service provider, England) 18:02 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services 18:03 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 18:03 nengard #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions 18:03 bag #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions 18:04 slef cool 18:04 slef #topic Roadmap to KohaCon2012 18:04 slef #info It's one month today! 18:04 nengard Woo hoo 18:04 slef I'll cover scheduling in the next topic 18:05 slef I think mle_ is testing the internet connection any day now. 18:05 slef we've had a couple more registrations and a couple more sponsors in the last week 18:06 slef but we're still a bit tight on sponsorship. Does anyone have a spare hour or two to help pester people? 18:06 slef And can anyone help to announce the conference schedule after the meeting or tomorrow? 18:06 thd slef: Do you have a list of candidates to pester? 18:07 slef thd: yes, I have a spreadsheet of names and email addresses. 18:08 slef thd: might you have spare time to do a mailmerge? 18:08 nengard is there a list somewhere of how many (who) are registered? 18:08 thd How short is the current sponsorship from the projected cost? 18:09 slef nengard: yes, but the list is currently internal in the co-op. I think it's 46 excluding hosts. 18:09 nengard thanks 18:10 slef thd: somewhere between 1100 and 1500 short, depending on where in our forecast certain things are. 18:11 slef that is, what the difference is between forecast and actual costs 18:11 slef sorry... four council meetings yesterday... not at my most coherent today 18:12 slef #help could someone do an emailmerge to ask for more sponsorships? 18:12 slef #help could people repost the announcement of the conference schedule to more mailing lists, social networks and websites? 18:12 thd Is there anything which might be offered as an additional encouragement for the principal existing sponsors? Of course, they should not need an additional inducement. 18:12 nengard slef what do you mean by conference schedule? The final schedule? or just that we're having a conference and when and where etc? 18:13 nengard I can email the lists I'm on to announce the conference if that's what you mean - I can even link to a schedule of events if we have one ready 18:13 thd nengard: the next topic will cover http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule 18:13 slef thd: suggestions? I fear we can only just deliver what we have offered Full Monty sponsors already. 18:13 nengard I did post the conference to a few sites already 18:13 nengard thd well slef did just ask for help on that :) 18:14 slef nengard: it may not be the final schedule, but more info on the talks than currently on the main website. 18:14 Oak night 18:14 slef ok, seems like a good point to... 18:15 slef #topic Scheduling 18:15 thd How much of the total cost is securing the venue? 18:15 slef thd: £960 off the top of my head. 18:15 slef that's the basic hire cost I think 18:15 thd Can we stay with funding a little more? 18:15 slef we'll come back to it 18:15 thd OK 18:16 slef if that's OK? 18:16 slef cool 18:16 slef http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Timings 18:16 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule#Timings 18:16 slef first draft of the timings 18:16 slef I've shortened the names. I need to restructure the table to get the full names in without it becoming messy. 18:17 slef But hopefully that gives an idea of what will be on when. 18:17 slef Are there any obvious mistakes? 18:17 slef I was going a bit word-blind by the time I finished it 18:17 slef There are also a few slots with space, as reviewers asked for changes in a few papers 18:18 nengard am I reading this right? I'm not speaking? (not complaining .. just asking) 18:19 slef so they'll fit in the sessions at Tue 1400, Wed 1000, Thu 1130 18:19 slef nengard: you should be. Let me find you. 18:19 nengard Weds afternoon maybe? 18:19 slef nengard: Wed 16:00 Koha Training 18:19 nengard K - I was reading the list at the top 18:19 slef nengard: Thu 14:00 Freedom and Community 18:19 nengard it says my talk was in review 18:19 slef oh that's stale sorry 18:20 jcamins nengard: on Thursday. 18:20 nengard oh! twice :) okey dokey - that sounds more like KohaCon to me :) hehe 18:20 slef I should have remerged the papers list 18:20 slef look under Timings and Abstracts 18:20 jcamins Oh, Wednesday, too. 18:20 nengard no prob, I understand now 18:21 slef nengard: I think you're one of four presenters appearing twice, but the other three are short talks or conference+hackfest. 18:21 slef but that's just trivia really 18:21 nengard :) 18:22 slef OK - any other feedback on the schedule? 18:22 nengard I'm wondering if an intro to what open source is should come in day 1? 18:23 nengard it doesn't fit with the schedule the way it is, and I don't mind talking when you have me, just wondering about the content 18:23 thd nengard++ 18:24 nengard maybe swap with installs/analytics? 18:24 nengard although installing is an intro type thing too 18:24 slef I'd like to keep Freedom and Community with Organisation, so it needs a 90min block, whereas installs/analytics is a 60min block 18:25 nengard so ? migrating? 18:25 slef Swap it with Migrating+spare (Tue 1400)? 18:25 slef That's the obvious move 18:25 nengard works for me 18:26 slef Or maybe move Thu 1400 -> Tue 1400, Tue 1400 -> Wed 1400, Wed 1400 -> Thu 1400 18:26 slef if you see what I mean 18:26 nengard also makes sense 18:26 slef basically, the question is this: 18:26 nengard and i think it fits 18:26 thd Migrating should perhaps also come relatively early. 18:26 slef is it better to have similar content on the same day, or mix it up a bit? 18:27 nengard i think there are arguments for both ways 18:27 nengard having similar content on one day makes it so that the day has a "theme" 18:27 slef 10 Heuristics (Tue 1130) is also about migrating 18:27 slef BLDS journey (Mon 1030ish) is too 18:27 thd I think at the last couple of meetings the issue was raised about not having too many non-librarian oriented technical presentations in one day. 18:28 slef arrrgh 18:28 nengard I'm seriously not too fussed about it either way, was just wondering if I introduce people to open source on day 3 if it fits 18:28 slef Wed 1130, Tue 1030ish 18:28 slef I don't cope well with Tuesday starts ;) 18:28 nengard intro to opensource is not techie - it's very librarian-oriented 18:28 nengard if that helps 18:28 slef well, All About People and Using Sandboxes are introducing people to FOSS without using the words 18:28 nengard right 18:29 gaetan_B hmmm, can someone tell me what are the different possible values for reserves.found and what they mean ? 18:29 nengard so do you need my second talk at all? 18:29 slef I'm agnostic about when to schedule it. 18:29 nengard gaetan_B it's in the manual :) 18:29 nengard in an FAQ in an appendix 18:29 slef nengard: I thought it was nice to put what Koha does in context with the proper names and all. 18:29 slef what koha-community does, rather 18:29 gaetan_B nengard: oh... that's practical, i guess i should have looked there first ;) thanks ! 18:30 slef thd: that would suggest to keep it mixed up, then. 18:30 nengard okey dokey - keep it as it is and avoid any headaches :) 18:31 thd Yes, mixed but with the introductory presentations at least weighted towards the front of the schedule. 18:31 slef nengard: can you cope with adapting your talk on the fly to reference the other talks as examples of what you're describing? ;-) 18:31 nengard yuppers 18:31 slef nengard: I thought if anyone can cope with it... 18:31 nengard I'm a pro :) 18:32 slef thd: right, I think we're on the same page. Anything glaringly misplaced to you? 18:33 slef nengard: also, be warned that I may move you forwards in the schedule as a quick fix for anyone who causes me problems ;-) 18:33 nengard LOL 18:33 nengard Go for it 18:33 * slef looks at Mr Videolink over there 18:34 slef ;) 18:34 thd I think with moving Freedom+Community, Organisation to the beginning it seems well balanced. 18:34 jcamins slef: that's why I'm providing a non-remote version. 18:34 slef ok, I'll shuffle those two afternoons about a bit after the meeting 18:34 nengard oh! jcamins is Mr. Videolink? 18:34 * nengard was totally confused 18:35 thd I might move migrating to one of the morning slots. 18:35 slef #agreed to shuffle Tuesday and Thursday afternoons 18:35 nengard :) 18:36 thd slef: You had said that there are empty slots. 18:36 thd Where are those? 18:36 wahanui those are good. 18:36 nengard okay I need to step out, let me know if/how I can help via email ttyl 18:36 slef thd: if I were to do that, I'd swap Wed and Thu mornings and put it in the free slot alongside SRU. 18:37 slef thd: slots waiting for reviewed papers are Tue 1400, Wed 1000, Thu 1130 18:37 thd slef: If you were to do what? 18:37 slef thd: if I were to move migrating to a morning. 18:38 slef thd: as I think migrating wants to be early, but it's mean to put it too near 10 migration heuristics 18:39 slef shall we move on/back to funding? 18:39 thd slef: Do you mean by 'mean', too much technical discussion back to back? 18:40 slef thd: I think it's a bit mean to put talks that could contradict each other too close together on the schedule. 18:40 slef thd: also whoever speaks second may suffer migration fatigue among the audience 18:40 thd How would they contradict one another? 18:41 thd I think that you mean another word than 'contradict'. 18:41 thd I think I have the sense of what you mean now. 18:41 slef "I'm going to cover what both libraries and developers should know about getting from a proprietary ILS to Koha, and some gotchas that always happen along the way." and "This paper introduces a list of 10 migration heuristics designed to provide readers with a variety of strategies and tools for completing successful data migrations." 18:41 slef also they're both workers for vendors 18:42 slef just seems good to keep them some space 18:42 slef ok, moving on 18:42 thd Maybe you do mean 'contradict' in some manner. 18:42 thd Yes, moving on. 18:42 slef #topic Sponsorship 18:42 slef ok, over to you thd! ;) 18:43 slef What do you want to know? But please don't be offended if I don't want to answer in public immediately for commercial reasons. 18:43 thd What inducements have been offered to the highest level of sponsorship? 18:43 slef * Your organisation’s logo in the conference programme 18:43 slef * A paragraph of text in the conference programme 18:43 slef * Your logo on the conference website 18:43 slef * Your logo on a poster at the conference 18:43 slef * The opportunity to place an insert in the conference pack or flyers on seats 18:46 thd Does the logo imply name listed as major sponsor in non-image format? 18:46 slef not quite sure what you mean? 18:47 slef http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ is the website presentation 18:48 thd Does everyone have their names in the form of a logo such that the logos would immediately be understood to those previously unfamiliar with the logos? 18:49 slef I've not checked them all but I can't think of one immediately. Can anyone? 18:49 slef I've not checked them all but I can't think of one immediately where that isn't the case. Can anyone? 18:49 slef I meant 18:50 * jcamins cannot. 18:51 thd One thing which I can think of is mentioning the sponsor names in at least the official recordings of the conference presentations. 18:52 slef #idea mentioning the sponsor names in the official recordings of the conference presentations 18:52 slef good idea! 18:52 slef we're pretty sure there will be such recordings, one way or another 18:53 slef thd: any more? 18:53 thd One moment on telephone. 18:54 slef thd: can I ask that we discuss this in ordinary IRC another time? 18:55 slef I'm taking silence as consent, in the circumstances. 18:55 thd One moment. 18:55 thd Phone call over. 18:55 slef you've got 1 minute 18:56 thd How much were the premium sponsorships? 18:56 slef £500 18:56 thd How many have been obtained? 18:56 slef 3 18:58 thd As difficult as it may be, I think that you may need to appeal to already existing sponsors to add additional funds by as much as an equal amount to what they had paid already. 18:59 slef ok, noted 18:59 thd I would put the idea out that you would like to encourage that if sufficient additional sponsorship is not forthcoming. 19:00 slef ok, so 1. approach those who haven't yet donated; 2. if still short, approach existing sponsors? 19:01 thd You can at least offer to mention the gratitude of the host to sponsors who doubled or whatever their scheduled sponsorship level to help the conference meet the budget. 19:01 thd Maybe those who double their sponsorship could have a special gold star where their logos are listed. 19:02 slef if we need to 19:02 thd The principle sponsors are also probably the principle financial beneficiaries of the conference activity. 19:02 slef I'm not sure I agree with that. 19:03 thd My statement there was speculative. 19:03 slef ok, noted. Shall we move on to next meeting and close? 19:03 jcamins +1 19:04 slef #topic Next Meeting 19:04 thd I consider the benefit to be very widely dispersed but my experience from past organising is that very few people are often willing or able to pay enough for a benefit which they do not expect that they need to pay. 19:04 slef #info Next Meeting Wed 16 May 2012 19:00 UTC - slef may be travelling and he is unsure if mle will be back in time, so can someone offer to chair, please? 19:05 thd Is mle still sick? 19:05 slef #endmeeting 19:05 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 9 19:05:13 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:05 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-09-18.01.html 19:05 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-09-18.01.txt 19:05 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-05-09-18.01.log.html 19:05 slef thd: I was meaning that he might not be back from his appointments earlierin the day. 19:06 thd Oh, I am pleased that he is in good health again :) 19:06 slef [off] but I believe he is still ill. 19:06 slef [off] I just think it's for him to say that on the public record if he wishes. 19:07 thd [off] OK 19:07 slef [off] whereas me, I'm chronically ill and generally don't mention it on the record. 19:08 slef [off] I just keep on taking the tablets. 19:08 thd For the public record, I have been visiting the doctor rather than ignoring some low level infections which can spike unpleasently. 19:08 slef [off] /msg me if you want to know more. 19:09 * slef goes in search of food before editing the schedule again. 19:10 thd On the issue of funding, I understand that it was probably not an option, however, future conferences should be well advised to reduce costs by obtaining an institutional partner to provide free hosting for the conference venue. 19:11 thd I know that free venue hosting can sometimes be difficult, even for an event proposed by a professor at the same institution. 19:13 thd I suggest listing the estimated budget shortfall in additional requests for sponsorship. 19:14 oleonard Is this: http://screencast.com/t/Xl1F0YyG8M an improvement over this: http://screencast.com/t/qEzqGGoJ5tbd ? 19:16 francharb oleonard, hopefully 19:16 francharb ;) 19:18 slef thd: UK libraries and universities often even charge their own staff for hosting events now, although usually at lower rates than the public. 19:19 slef thd: we should maybe try to avoid hosting in a country in recession in future ... how's that crystal ball polishing up? ;-) 19:20 thd I have found that the City University of New York often charges its own staff to host a venue. 19:20 thd Most of the world is in recession and maybe for some time. 19:20 * slef ponders dinner 19:21 * slef notes he said that 10mins ago 19:21 * slef JFDIs 19:21 thd I have had favourable information about the relative isolation of some economies in Oceania. 19:21 * jcamins had never heard that abbreviation before. 19:21 jcamins I like it. 19:25 slef jcamins: I think it is from he samesource as TICIFU 19:26 slef the same source 19:26 * thd understands very few IRC abbreviations including the last two. 19:27 * jcamins isn't sure what TICIFU means. It'll come to him. 19:27 slef dict.org searches VERA if you need I think 19:27 slef Typical ICI FU 19:28 slef Up 19:28 jcamins Ah. 19:29 jcamins Well, that was not the expected result. 19:29 jcamins Good. 19:29 jcamins No Bugzilla spam. 19:31 slef spam? 19:31 * jcamins is trying to write a script to automate part of the buzilla updating. 19:31 jcamins Right now it doesn't actually do any updating. 19:32 * thd needs to depart. 19:32 jcamins However, the output was entirely unexpected, so I worried briefly that it might've done stuff anyway. 19:33 slef jcamins: It Still Does Nothing 19:34 jcamins slef: good. 19:34 slef ISDN 20:02 jcamins Woohoo! 20:04 cait hi #koha 20:04 jcamins Whoops. I may have updated a few bugs twice. 20:04 jcamins Sorry 'bout that. 20:05 oleonard rangi around? 20:05 rangi Only slightly just arrived in Levin all day meetings today 20:07 rangi What's up Owen? 20:08 oleonard I'm not sure how to explain it well, but I'm wondering if I can define something in T:T (a block?) at the top of a template or in an include and then add something to it later in the template and have it render all in one go 20:08 jcamins "Please stop that lunatic from automatically updating bugzilla!" 20:09 rangi Look up process and block oleonard 20:09 rangi In the tt man pages online 20:09 rangi I think they will do it 20:09 cait oleonard: what are you trying to do? it osunds interesting :) 20:09 * oleonard will look 20:10 oleonard I'm wondering if we can do some CSS/script optimization by consolidating things at the template level in some cases 20:11 oleonard If my page needs to add another CSS include it puts it out of optimal sequence with regard to the other CSS files 20:12 cait ok 20:12 rangi Yeah look up my caching plugin too 20:12 cait I am not sure I can follow :) 20:12 cait but I can find that plugin for you oleonard 20:13 rangi You could cache it so logic not repeated every time 20:13 cait bug 7387 20:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7387 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes 20:37 wizzyrea well that doesn't happen often 20:38 cait hey wizzyrea :) 20:38 cait so silent here 20:39 wizzyrea ya 20:39 wizzyrea I saw my name was highlighted but it went off of my scrollback 20:40 cait wasn't me 20:40 wizzyrea guess I'll have to read the logs 20:40 wizzyrea logs? 20:40 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 20:41 wizzyrea oh, tons of stuff pushed today 20:41 wizzyrea I guess 20:41 cait jcamins working on 3.6.5 :) 20:42 wizzyrea ok nothing really important :) 22:15 kathryn morning : ) 22:24 JoeLib001 Hello. :-) 22:25 JoeLib001 I have a question about serials and holdings. 22:26 JoeLib001 I have gone through the painful process of cataloging each of our 1200+ titles and am trying to figure out where I need to put the holdings information. 22:26 JoeLib001 Do I have to have a subscription? 22:26 JoeLib001 Do I need an item associated with the record? 22:27 JoeLib001 Well, that's two, but really one. :-)