Time  Nick           Message
00:31 mtj            ooh, mod_pagespeed plugin for apache - looks helpful for Koha performance debugging
00:32 mtj            https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/download#mod_pagespeed
00:32 mtj            http://www.modpagespeed.com/
00:35 mtj            "mod_pagespeed is an open-source Apache module that automatically optimizes web pages and resources on them. Optimization is done by rewriting the resources using filters that implement web performance best practices. Webmasters and web developers can use mod_pagespeed to improve the performance of their web pages when serving content with the Apache HTTP Server."
00:35 mtj            aah, its not for debugging, but does actual optimization before sending to browser
00:36 mtj            ... could be a nice easy speed win
01:05 chris_n        mtj: I downloaded all 3.2G of it last evening hoping to pound koha with it a bit :)
01:08 mtj            man, this oracle/google java case in the tech news is beyond belief :/
01:09 mtj            ... i cant even be bothered attempting to understand it
01:10 mtj            http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/25/0011226/schmidt-testifies-android-did-not-use-suns-ip
01:12 mtj            actually, i lie.... i *have* attempted to understand it - and i can't
01:14 jcamins_away   rangi, excellent, I hopwd you would.
01:15 * chris_n      wonders if jcamins_away found his nail
01:34 * chris_n      wanders off in search of sleep
01:40 jcamins_away   Nope.
01:52 Judit          do you know any Koha library with Library Thing's Library Anywhere app working?
01:53 mtj            heya Judit
01:53 mtj            hmm, i dont... :/
01:53 mtj            eythian might?
01:54 eythian        I don't either
01:54 mtj            meh, ok :)
01:55 mtj            .. ive always been curious to see functionality it offers
01:55 mtj            s/see/see what/
03:03 druthb         o/
03:40 Amit_Gupta     heya bag
04:00 vkm            Dear Vimal,  I am using field 942$c commonly for BOOK (BK) item in my all records and making dividing items like reference book (REF), Reserve book (RB), Book bank (BB) in field 952. But when restricting the search in OPAC by Book only it shows also records which contain reference items only in field 952 which may be because of field 942$c where Book is ente
04:00 vkm            So please advice me what to do to handle this problem? May i remove all field 942$c because 952 already contain information about each item type? Please see below my record structure and also let me know any solution/patch for auto indexing through cronjob.
04:07 dgl-library    Hi #koha
04:11 dgl-library    Anybody here have experience successfully backing up the database? I'm having a problem.
04:11 mtj            dgl-library:  just use mysqldump
04:12 mtj            $ mysqldump mydb > mydb.sql
04:12 eythian        dgl-library: I just use the backups that the koha-common package makes.
04:13 mtj            eythian++ even better :)
04:16 dgl-library    eythian: how do I make those backups?
04:17 eythian        run koha from the packages and it just happens
04:17 Judit          :)
04:17 dgl-library    I was trying mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql … but it didn't like my username/password combination
04:17 dgl-library    eythian: I don't know what that means. where do I start? koha's staff client is up and running.
04:18 eythian        dgl-library: if you installed Koha from the debian packages, then backups are made for you automatically.
04:18 eythian        however, your command should work provided the username, password, and database name match your koha config.
04:19 mtj            dgl-library look in your koha-xml.conf file - for the user/password
04:19 eythian        If it's not working, then they don't match.
04:19 dgl-library    eythian: where are those backups stored?
04:19 dgl-library    mtj: thanks, I'll check
04:19 eythian        /var/spool/koha
04:20 mtj            dgl-library:  i guess 'koha' is not your password
04:20 eythian        mtj: you're reading the command wrong
04:21 mtj            ah, yep ;)
04:21 dgl-library    mtj: it asks for the password in a dialogue after that :)
04:21 mtj            -p is 'prompt for password'
04:21 mtj            -p koha != -pkoha
04:21 dgl-library    mtj: but you were on to something… I realized koha is not the db name!
04:22 mtj            yep, all those details are in the .conf file
04:23 dgl-library    eythian: thanks, I found the backups you were talking about. very useful to know about! I didn't see /var/spool/koha mentioned in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha
04:23 eythian        I think it's documented on the package wiki page
04:23 eythian        but should be elsewhere too
04:26 dgl-library    mtj: so if I do it without -p, I'm not asked for my password, but I still get all the same info?
04:26 dgl-library    mtj: never mind, that didn't work either
04:33 eythian        dgl-library: your password is in your koha-conf.xml
05:00 Amit_Gupta     heya eythian, mtj
05:05 vkm            i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also
05:06 vkm            please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type??
05:09 vkm            hello koha users seeking help please
05:23 vkm            after importing the records i could not search by author, subject browse options
05:23 vkm            what need to be done before importing to browse options
05:24 Judit          canyou search and find the records
05:24 vkm            yes
05:29 vkm            hello answer please
05:29 vkm            i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also, please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type??
05:29 renren_28      hi guys
05:29 vkm            hi
05:30 vkm            i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also, please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type??
05:30 renren_28      i have a question on my koha virtual appliance
05:31 renren_28      help me guy with this error •DateTime::Format::ICal
05:31 renren_28      Version: 0.09
05:31 renren_28      Usage: Core
05:31 renren_28      •Modern::Perl
05:31 renren_28      Version: 1.03
05:31 renren_28      Usage: Core
05:31 renren_28      please help me
05:31 dgl-library    eythian: thanks. found it.
05:32 dgl-library    renren_28: I tried using the koha virtual appliance and had nothing but problems. are you using the configured or unconfigured version?
05:32 renren_28      same version
05:32 renren_28      same result
05:33 renren_28      im using the virtual box
05:34 dgl-library    renren_28: right, but you downloaded the koha virtual appliance, right? there are 2 versions: "configured" and "unconfigured" … which one do you have?
05:34 renren_28      the configured version
05:35 dgl-library    renren_28: that's good, because we had endless problems with the unconfigured version. unfortunately very few people in this group use the virtual appliance, so if I were you I wouldn't mention the virtual appliance when asking your questions. btw, what country are you in?
05:36 renren_28      philippines
05:37 renren_28      do u have ym dgl-library?
05:38 dgl-library    here's my suggestion: if you prefer to do things via virtualbox, download the virtualbox image of Debian Lenny from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/virtualboximage/debian-5.0-x86.7z
05:38 dgl-library    and then install virtualbox on that debian OS in the normal way. fewer problems.
05:38 vkm            i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also, please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type??
05:39 cait           vkm: I think repeating the same question here again and again will not make people help you
05:39 cait           you could try to write an email to the list with all necessary informationa nd examples what you want to do
05:40 renren_28      ok thanks i will
05:40 vkm            sorry but i am new to system but trying to implement koha in a big organisation
05:40 vkm            from where i can get mail of relevant peoples please tell me
05:41 cait           mailing lists?
05:41 wahanui        mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
05:41 Judit          vkm, so you have itype in 942c
05:42 vkm            yes commonly used in all recor at the time of importing
05:42 Judit          and in 952 you have an "extended" itype
05:42 vkm            yes
05:42 Judit          952y is the itemtype field in koha bydefault
05:43 vkm            e.g Book in 942 than if 3 copy of book we divided it as reference, reserve and again book in 952y
05:44 vkm            at searching in opac when restricting by Book item it shows reference item also
05:44 vkm            because may be Book i used in 942c even the biblio contain only reference
05:45 Judit          do you have itemtypes set up for reference and reserve?
05:45 vkm            yes everything ok
05:46 vkm            if restrictes search by reference than result is fine only reference
05:46 dgl-library    mtj: I successfully entered the backup commands "mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql" … where is that backup stored?
05:46 Judit          what do you need the information in 942 for?
05:46 vkm            but if i use restrict by Book it gives all item result i noticed
05:46 Judit          the itemtype tells you wjat it is, right?
05:47 cait           dgl-library: the file should be in the same directory you ran the command in
05:48 cait           morning Oak
05:48 Oak            morning cait :)
05:48 dgl-library    cait: thanks! found it.
05:48 Oak            kia ora #koha
05:49 Judit          sorry vkm i cannot help you
05:49 dgl-library    Tēnā koe Oak
05:49 Oak            hello dgl-library :)
05:49 vkm            can i ignore item type in field 942c
05:50 Judit          Koha to MARC Mapping
05:50 Judit          go there
05:51 Judit          in biblioitems, 942c is pointing to itemtype
05:51 cait           Judit: I think I would be very careful changing that
05:51 Judit          yes i know
05:51 Judit          but he wants to
05:51 cait           it seems more safe to just not make the field mandatory perhaps
05:51 Judit          and i never said to change that
05:51 Amit_Gupta     heya cait, Judit
05:52 Judit          also in items, 952y is pointing to itemtype
05:52 Judit          hi
05:52 dgl-library    hi amit, are you here in india?
05:52 cait           Judit: sorry
05:53 Amit_Gupta     heya dg-library
05:53 Amit_Gupta     heya dgl-library ya i m in india
05:53 Amit_Gupta     ..
05:54 dgl-library    so am I
05:54 Amit_Gupta     dgl-library are you also from india
05:54 Amit_Gupta     ?
05:54 vkm            so can i remove 942c from all my records bcz 952y already contains item information, and can i remove mandatory from 942c?
05:56 dgl-library    Amit_Gupta: I am also in India
05:57 Amit_Gupta     from where?
06:17 dgl-library    I am in HP, and you?
06:18 eythian        vkm: removing mandatory from a koha internal field is probably a very bad idea.
06:18 alex_a         bonjour
06:19 vkm            than advice what to do
06:20 eythian        change how zebra is searching, perhaps, so it excludes 942?
06:20 wahanui        eythian: that doesn't look right
06:21 eythian        I'm not really capable of helping you with that though.
06:23 dgl-library    vkm: if it's bothering you, go into Subfields and make it hidden
06:23 dgl-library    vkm: but do not change the Default framework
06:23 Oak            Amit_Gupta, any Z39.50 servers' details you can provide from India... that have Management Sciences LPE / Indian Editions of foreign books
06:24 vkm            searching my problem is searching in opac
06:24 vkm            somebody told me it is bug
06:25 vkm            when i limit search by Boo it also shows reference because for reference item in field 952y i used Book in field 942c uniformly for all the records at the time of importing
06:26 vkm            =942  \\$cBK =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p5683$yREF$o621.8002 O15M
06:26 vkm            =942  \\$cBK =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1271$yREF$o621.01 MAN =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1564$yRB$o621.01 MAN
06:26 vkm            =942  \\$cBK =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1000$yBK$o621.3 KNO =952  \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p663$yBK$o621.3 KNO
06:27 vkm            please above my record structures in marc format i used for importing
06:27 vkm            942c is common than used 952y for each item type
06:30 vkm            i think if there is no Book in 952y field than i have to use item REF/BB/RS etc. in 942c so searching by book only will not pick the data from 942c field
06:30 marcelr        hi koha
06:30 vkm            but i wanted to use book as a common item/material type
06:31 vkm            above are my problems please advice
06:31 Oak            hello marcelr
06:33 marcelr        hi Oak
06:35 francharb      morning #koha
06:36 marcelr        hi francharb
06:41 Oak            morning francharb
06:46 magnuse        kia ora #koha!
06:47 vkm            magnuse hi
06:47 magnuse        hiya vkm
06:47 vkm            probably you resolve my problem
06:47 magnuse        sorry probably not
06:47 vkm            =942 \\$cBK =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p5683$yREF$o621.8002 O15M
06:48 vkm            biblio contain only reference item
06:48 julian_m       hi
06:49 vkm            but i used book in 942c uniformly at the time of importin so when i search by item type book only it sows reference also
06:50 eythian        You could write a script that sets 942$c to be equal to whatever the item type really is.
06:50 vkm            there is two option either not to make 942 mandatory or not to use book if it contain item reference only etc
06:51 vkm            942c must be equal to 952y in my case but for searching book type only it does not
06:52 vkm            if i search for reference it pics only reference
06:53 vkm            so if i will make 942c also reference than it will work fine but loose uniformity of Book in 942c
06:53 vkm            please advice
06:53 wahanui        please advice is there any other easy and friendly method to do the job on server machine i wanted to implement it in mib_ex6ial's library
06:54 vkm            what is difference between 942c field and 952y field
06:55 eythian        942c is at the biblio level, and provides the default item type.
06:56 eythian        952y is the item type for a specific item.
06:57 dgl-library    Bye for now #koha
06:57 vkm            than if i have two same book one for reference and one for BooK(general issue) what data should i fill in 942 and 952
06:58 vkm            have defined BK for general book and REF for reference
07:03 eythian        whatever is most appropriate for the situation.
07:03 eythian        If you bought another one, what would it most likely be
07:04 eythian        that kind of thing, I don't think there's a rule.
07:05 vkm            actualy i wanted to use one biblio for many items type
07:06 eythian        that's not uncommon
07:06 eythian        942$c is used as more of a default than anything.
07:07 vkm            but 942c accepts only one which i want to use as a book type material uniformly, but if i use book by default in 942c even the book is reference in 952y field it creates problem in searching
07:08 vkm            when restricting search by item book it shows the reference also but there is no reference in 952y field
07:09 eythian        vkm: you could always ask on the mailing list, not everyone is awake at this time here.
07:09 vkm            ok
07:28 gaetan_B       hii #koha!
07:31 magnuse        bonjour gaetan_B
07:41 Oak            magnuse
07:49 magnuse        Oak
07:50 Oak            magnuse, do you know how to set-up postfix for Koha?
07:50 Oak            for email notifications
07:51 magnuse        Oak: not really - i think last time i tried i pretty much just did "sudo apt-get install postfix", but i might misremember...
07:52 Oak            i have installed it, but cannot get email notifications to work: http://pastebin.com/8s2xBBTY
07:53 Oak            this is from /var/log/syslog by the way
07:53 kf             hi #koha
07:53 magnuse        Oak: try googling "User unknown in local recipient table"?
07:53 magnuse        guten morgen kf
07:54 Oak            welcome back cait
07:54 Oak            hmm
07:54 magnuse        Oak: just a friendly tip: http://paste.koha-community.org/ has less commercials :-)
07:55 Oak            aah
07:55 Oak            cool
07:55 eythian        magnuse: you don't have adblock?
07:56 narcisgarcia   Hello!
07:57 magnuse        hola narcisgarcia
07:57 magnuse        eythian: only a well developed one between my ears :-)
07:59 narcisgarcia   Once configured all categories of Koha, I don't know how to enter books.
07:59 magnuse        [off] this is what happens when you piss norwegians off, we sing children's songs at you, real loud :-) http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-breivik-song-idUSBRE83O0VD20120425
08:00 magnuse        narcisgarcia: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/cataloging.html
08:01 narcisgarcia   Is only the installation user who can catalog books?
08:01 narcisgarcia   I've created user categories and don't know how to allow librarians to catalog.
08:02 narcisgarcia   Ok, I'll read carefully that manual chapter.
08:04 rangi          Also read the chapter on adding staff users
08:04 magnuse        narcisgarcia: don't do things as the installation user, do what rangi says :-)
08:05 narcisgarcia   I see the global parameter "IndependantBranches" (very interesting for us), but I don't know how to setup branches.
08:07 magnuse        narcisgarcia: have a look through the manual, there's tons of good stuff in there :-)
08:17 Oak            magnuse!!!!!
08:17 wahanui        magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
08:17 Oak            it worked
08:17 Oak            mail working
08:17 magnuse        yay!
08:17 Oak            now question... the mail I received from my Koha server says:
08:17 Oak            If you have any problems or questions regarding your account, please contact your Koha Administrator.
08:17 Oak            Thank you,
08:17 Oak            Koha Administrator
08:17 Oak            kohaadmin@yoursite.org
08:17 Oak            where is that coming from? seems like from Koha?
08:18 magnuse        probably :-)
08:18 magnuse        there is a setting for admin emai
08:18 Oak            where??
08:18 Oak            hmm let me see
08:18 Oak            this is coooool
08:18 magnuse        :-)
08:19 magnuse        KohaAdminEmailAddress is worth a look
08:19 narcisgarcia   Administration -> Global system preferences -> Administration -> Interface options
08:19 Oak            hmm, that field is already set to my email address
08:20 Oak            i think i can grep kohaadmin@yoursite.org
08:21 narcisgarcia   What means the "Authorities" concept in Koha?
08:21 magnuse        Oak: it might be hardcoded in notice, see :8080/cgi-bin/koha/tools/letter.pl
08:21 pastebot       "Oak" at 111.68.99.242 pasted "[root@aridkoha var]# cd /usr/s" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/364
08:22 magnuse        Oak: looks like you need to edit some notices
08:22 Oak            yup :)
08:22 Oak            just the 'en' one
08:22 narcisgarcia   Oak, looks like you found only default sample values.
08:23 magnuse        narcisgarcia: http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/
08:23 rangi          You might want to do a course in library science, its a big field, authorities aren't specific just to koha
08:24 narcisgarcia   Then "authority" refers to the protocol?
08:25 narcisgarcia   I want to make the application begin to produce, to librarians catalog some books and public can see them from internet. No much more.
08:25 reiveune       hello
08:25 narcisgarcia   Hello reiveune
08:25 narcisgarcia   (and librarians are common people)
08:26 magnuse        narcisgarcia: excuse me?
08:26 Oak            hmm. magnuse, editing intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql had no effect. so it *is* just a sample
08:26 wahanui        magnuse: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
08:26 rangi          No they are well trained informational professionals
08:27 magnuse        Oak: the stuff in intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql was loaded into your db when you did the web installation
08:27 rangi          Cataloguers especially
08:27 magnuse        Oak: you need to edit them through the WebUI
08:27 Oak            so I edit the DB?
08:27 Oak            phpMyAdmin?
08:27 magnuse        Oak: Home › Tools › Notices & Slips
08:27 narcisgarcia   The librarians in the libraries I'm configuring are common people, not professionals.
08:27 Oak            aaah
08:28 magnuse        Oak: there should never be a need for phpMyAdmin...
08:28 Oak            found it magnuse !!
08:28 Oak            changed it. cooool. thank you!
08:29 * mtj          greets the herd
08:29 rangi          You will need to read the manual and then train them then
08:29 mtj            narcisgarcia:  -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/pt1-7.html#pt4
08:29 mtj            'Understanding MARC Authority Records'
08:30 * magnuse      greets mtj
08:32 narcisgarcia   Then an authority can be a key word?
08:32 Oak            okay now time to check if the overdue notices work or not... i have issued a book. how do i make it's due date expire?
08:33 narcisgarcia   "Shakespeare" can be an authority?
08:33 Oak            for testing that is
08:33 narcisgarcia   http://authorities.loc.gov/help/name-auth.htm
08:33 magnuse        Oak: you wait... ;-)
08:33 magnuse        Oak: you can set a due date in the past when you issue
08:33 Oak            no no i think i found something... the "Renewal due date: " option...
08:34 narcisgarcia   An abbreviation can be an authority?
08:35 Oak            nah that does not work... hm. i'll keep trying.
08:35 narcisgarcia   In my country, the "authority" term generally means "people with power" or "people with intellectual reputation"
08:35 narcisgarcia   Hello mbalmer
08:35 mbalmer        good morning!
08:36 magnuse        narcisgarcia: you are entering a new and strange country now, it's called library land... :-)
08:36 narcisgarcia   You mean "English library land"
08:38 narcisgarcia   Then "authority" refers to data and not to field structure, right?
08:38 rangi          Magnuse is Norwegian, so no
08:38 rangi          I'm not English either fwiw
08:40 narcisgarcia   I see that we'll need a professional librarian to make the setup, or look for a simpler application.
08:40 narcisgarcia   First I tried with Invenio, and someone recommended me Koha better.
08:41 narcisgarcia   Note that the spanish translation of the manual is incomplete, and for example there is not the "Implementation Checklist" chapter.
08:43 magnuse        narcisgarcia: getting some input from a pro on how to set things up might be a good idea - Koha is pretty hard core, in a way
08:45 akg            what difference between deleting the stage imported in catalog record and deleting before importing in catalog stage records
08:48 mtj            narcisgarcia:  improvements to the spanish translation of the Koha manual are graciously accepted ;)
08:50 narcisgarcia   Of course, but first is needed to understand the english librarian country
08:51 narcisgarcia   I'm having dificulties with the english version. As I understood some installation steps, I added some tips to the wiki, for example.
08:52 Oak            magnuse, a silly question. if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set to 'Don't allow', then where was the setting (check boxes) for that located? Where i can choose which notices should be sent or not?
08:52 Oak            got dc... sending again.
08:52 Oak            magnuse, a silly question. if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set to 'Don't allow', then where was the setting (check boxes) for that located? Where i can choose which notices should be sent or not?
08:54 magnuse        well, i think you have to set EnhancedMessagingPreferences = Allow to see the checkboxes
08:55 Oak            but then users will be able to choose whether they receive overdue notices or not.
08:55 magnuse        if they should not choose you don't need the checkboxes
08:56 magnuse        then you just configure notices
08:56 akg            what difference between deleting the stage imported in catalog record and deleting before importing in catalog stage records
08:56 Oak            configure them in "Tools" yes?
08:59 magnuse        Oak: Home › Tools › Notice triggers
08:59 Oak            yup
08:59 Oak            thank you!
08:59 Oak            magnuse++
09:07 narcisgarcia   About  AllFinesNeedOverride: if set to "no", means that the override will be automatic?
09:08 narcisgarcia   (Administration -> System Preferences -> Circulation preferences -> Checkout policy)
09:14 akg            cronjob for auto indexing with zebra -z is not working in version 3.6
09:16 akg            others cron job are working fine
09:21 narcisgarcia   Oops, I made an installation for all the languages, but I see that the bottom list of languages in interface is limited to browser window width.
09:22 narcisgarcia   Language links that don't fit in the bottom bar, aren't available (the bar doesn't scroll)
09:26 slef           I thought it was a drop-down. Am I obsolete again?
09:27 Oak            yes you are
09:27 Oak            kidding
09:27 Oak            not sure
09:32 narcisgarcia   It's like a fixed frame.
09:33 * Oak          wondering if it is possible to send an email message to all patrons...
09:46 slef           wahanui: ILL?
09:46 wahanui        no idea, slef
09:46 slef           anyone got an overview of the current state of ILL in koha?
09:47 slef           Oak: select email from borrowers in a report, drop it into a mailshotter?
09:47 slef           Oak: may be a nicer way but I like using listservers
09:51 narcisgarcia   About  OPACShowCheckoutName: If set to True, is it shown to public too?
09:51 mib_utlihq     yes
09:51 narcisgarcia   (Administration -> System Preferences -> OPAC preferences)
09:51 narcisgarcia   Ok.
09:52 narcisgarcia   Thanks.
09:57 slef           ok this is odd
09:58 Oak            ah thank you slef ... let me see
09:58 slef           I get logged out when I try to place an order in acq
09:59 slef           place an item into the basket
09:59 slef           but it added it anyway
09:59 slef           something to investigate later
09:59 mib_utlihq     i get massage hold can not be put, but i saw there was hold finaly
10:00 kf_mtg         slef: permissions
10:00 slef           kf_mtg: superlibrarian
10:00 wahanui        superlibrarian is one of the permissions
10:00 slef           Am I right in thinking we cannot move a basket between vendors?
10:00 kf_mtg         slef: try giving yourself all acq permission
10:00 kf_mtg         s
10:00 kf_mtg         sorry, have to run
10:00 slef           kf_mtg: will do. Later.
10:00 kf_mtg         slef: not yt, there is a patch somewhere I think
10:01 mib_utlihq     cronejob for zebra-z not working is there any pathc for that
10:01 mib_utlihq     in version3.6.4
10:02 * slef         goes searching
10:02 slef           mib_utlihq: define "not working" but probably not as if there was a serious problem there would be a 3.6.5 including it ready but search the bug tracker
10:02 slef           wahanui: the bug tracker?
10:02 wahanui        slef: i don't know
10:03 slef           wahanui: the bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org
10:03 wahanui        OK, slef.
10:04 mib_utlihq     not working means after check out/check in opac does not shows updated record it simply shoes item not available
10:04 mib_utlihq     but in details view things are ok
10:04 slef           http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7757 Edit basket vendor after it has been created (Failed QA)
10:04 slef           thanks kf
10:28 mtj            francharb / hdl  - about?
10:28 francharb      mtj, 0/
10:28 francharb      what is it about?
10:29 mtj            heya francharb, a little question...
10:29 francharb      tell me!
10:30 mtj            me ask in private :)
10:30 francharb      oki
11:58 narcisgarcia   About  yuipath: Are the Yahoo UI libraries free software?
11:59 narcisgarcia   (Administration -> System Preferences -> Staff Client preferences -> Appearance)
11:59 jcamins_away   narcisgarcia: yes.
11:59 narcisgarcia   Which license use?
11:59 jcamins_away   No idea.
12:00 narcisgarcia   Are written in PERL?
12:00 jcamins_away   No, Javascript.
12:00 jcamins_away   There's really no reason to change that syspref.
12:00 magnuse        YUI is BSD license, according to Home › About Koha › Licenses
12:01 narcisgarcia   Do Yahoo get statistical data with the use of its libraries, or some other communication?
12:03 magnuse        only if you use the hosted option, not for the local option
12:03 narcisgarcia   Ok, thanks.
12:03 narcisgarcia   About  HidePatronName: does this affect to public/anonymous view?
12:03 narcisgarcia   (Administration -> System Preferences -> Staff Client preferences -> Options)
12:04 jcamins_away   narcisgarcia: did you read the manual? If you plan on looking at every single syspref, you'd probably be best served by reading through the manual.
12:06 narcisgarcia   In the manual, basically is written the same explanation as in the administration interface.
12:06 narcisgarcia   "the names of patrons that have items checked out or on hold on detail pages or the "Place Hold" screen"
12:06 narcisgarcia   (for the major part of options)
12:08 jcamins_away   Ah. I have no idea what that syspref does.
12:08 jcamins_away   I generally only change sysprefs when there's something I don't like about the way my system is working.
12:08 narcisgarcia   I don't completely understand when an option talks about showing or not showinf something in OPAC, if it refers to anyone or to logged users or to self logged user.
12:09 jcamins_away   It probably depends on the option.
12:10 narcisgarcia   I don't want to anonymous visitors see any patron name in any place.
12:11 magnuse        narcisgarcia: that's the default
12:11 narcisgarcia   Ok, then I can suppose, with the defaults, that if some option is already set to show it's only for logged users.
12:12 magnuse        logged in users will see their own stuff, as a default no users can see what others have borrowed
12:15 narcisgarcia   Thanks.
12:28 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:29 magnuse        kia ora oleonard
13:03 kf             hi oleonard
13:06 Oak            kf if free kindly check if this works? http://111.68.99.242/
13:07 kf             hm
13:07 kf             it's still loading
13:07 magnuse        in norway too
13:07 kf             hm it timed out for me
13:08 * jcamins_away too
13:08 Oak            :( *sigh*
13:08 Oak            okay thanks!
13:22 * chris_n      steps in and out
13:25 narciagrcia    Hello everybody.
13:28 narciagrcia    I've registered a "patron", assigned to a patron category of "Staff" type, but Koha doesn't allow it to login to the administration interface.
13:28 narciagrcia    Am I leaving some more permissions to set?
13:30 narciagrcia    Librarians are registered as patrons (in staff type categories), or there is another way to work with this kind of users?
13:31 magnuse        narciagrcia: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/patronpermissions.html
13:31 narciagrcia    Thanks, I didn't find so clear.
13:34 narciagrcia    There isn't the same kind of permissions for whole patron category?
13:35 jcamins_away   No.
13:40 vfernandes     hi guys
13:41 vfernandes     can you tell me how to search by the creation time and by the time last modified?
13:41 vfernandes     UNIMARC version
13:41 slef           raileasy bloody ticket price gougers
13:42 slef           </rant>
13:42 slef           vfernandes: maybe check if those item fields are indexed by zebra?
13:42 slef           wahanui: @marc 952
13:42 wahanui        The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29
13:43 ArunRV         Hello. We have a school campus management system that has accounts for all students. We have a Koha installation as well. We'd like to have single-sign-on facility for students into Koha using their SCMS id/password.
13:43 vfernandes     099$c date-entered-on-file
13:44 vfernandes     but no results obtain :/
13:44 ArunRV         What's the best way to achieve this, please?
13:44 ArunRV         I am thinking we have to write some code to link the SCMS (which is in Rails) and Koha?
13:44 jcamins_away   ArunRV: you could use LDAP, but it's not going to be simple.
13:45 jcamins_away   I believe there's also support for SSO in process, but, again, it's probably not going to be a particularly easy thing to set up.
13:45 magnuse        biblibre is working on shibboleth, i think?
13:46 magnuse        at least i think that is sso...
13:46 jcamins_away   Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
13:46 jcamins_away   I just couldn't remember exactly who was doing it.
13:47 ArunRV         We had a similar situation with Moodle. The way we got around that was to figure out where users/passwords etc. are created/set in Moodle, and write hooks that basically updated Moodle DB whenever data was entered into our SCMS
13:48 ArunRV         AM I right in saying that all Koha code is (in a standard installation) present in /usr/share/koha?
13:49 jcamins_away   Yes, but don't make any code changes in a standard installation.
13:49 jcamins_away   You should use git if you're doing any code customizations.
13:49 jcamins_away   git?
13:49 wahanui        git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
13:49 jcamins_away   ^^ see that document.
13:50 ArunRV         Ouch.
13:51 ArunRV         We didn't install it via git - I think we just downloaded the tar.gz file (if I'm not wrong), and followed the instructions on the koha website.
13:51 ArunRV         Would it be OK to create our own local repository of Git and push /usr/share/Koha to it, and modify it from there?
13:54 slef           ArunRV: not as easy, but it's OK for you to do whatever you like, sweetie ;)
13:54 slef           ArunRV: but if you break it, you get to keep both pieces ;)
13:55 ArunRV         *gulp*
13:58 ArunRV         Well, we do have a development installation of Koha - I will play around with it there and see how it goes.
14:15 mbalmer        we (swiss kohaistas) discussed printing to epson thermal line printers in Unix/Linux environments (for which EPSON does not provide printer drivers).
14:17 Oak            sweetie? slef?
14:20 Oak            :) okay time to go... be back in 2 hours God willing.
14:29 GWolverton_    what is the preferred method of running zebrasrv?
14:33 ArunRV         Hello all. An issue with a fresh install of koha: when a user logs into the OPAC, they get this error: Date::Calc::PP::Add_Delta_Days(): Date::Calc::Add_Delta_Days(): not a valid date at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl line 115
14:34 ArunRV         Seems to be the same as this prioblem: http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-01-19#i_871714
14:34 ArunRV         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6978 seems relevant - any idea how to fix this?
14:39 wizzyrea       what version of koha?
14:39 ArunRV         3.6
14:40 ArunRV         koha-3.06.04
14:42 ArunRV         I am guessing it's some configuration issue.
14:42 wizzyrea       is your date preference set to ISO?
14:42 wizzyrea       ping kf
14:45 ArunRV         Ah. Where do I set this, please? I couldn't readily find it in Administration -> System Preferences
14:45 ArunRV         My apologies - relatively new to Koha.
14:45 wizzyrea       :) sok
14:45 wizzyrea       sec
14:46 wizzyrea       the pref is "dateformat" and it's under I18n/L10N preferences
14:46 ArunRV         Thanks! 1 sec.
14:47 wizzyrea       but I wonder if - since kf reported a similar issue, if it is in fact sample data related.
14:47 wizzyrea       I assume your fresh install used at least some of the sample data
14:47 wizzyrea       possibly your patron doesn't have an expiry date?
14:50 slef           wizzyrea: "e's gone orf"
14:51 wizzyrea       ah well.
14:51 ArunRV         I set it to yyyy/mm/dd
14:51 ArunRV         still the same error.
14:51 ArunRV         :-(
14:51 wizzyrea       then I bet it's data
14:51 wizzyrea       make sure you have an expiry date set for your patron?
14:51 ArunRV         ok.. lemme try that.
14:51 ArunRV         1 sec.
14:52 ArunRV         (quite a few secs, actually..:-)
14:55 narciagrcia    Does someone know which is the difference for MARC between 952.y (Koha item type) and 942.c (itemtype) ?
14:55 wizzyrea       hehe is np
14:56 narciagrcia    (MARC21)
14:56 narciagrcia    And for Koha?
14:58 narciagrcia    Does Koha use the configured item types for the field 952.y, for 942.c or for any of them?
14:58 ArunRV         Thanks for waiting. Maybe this is a case of RTFM, but the problem seems to happen when I try to log into OPAC using the admin account - is this a valid thing to try?
14:58 ArunRV         No problem with other logins.
15:00 reiveune       bye
15:00 narciagrcia    When I try to login OPAC with the installation admin account, I get "Software error"
15:01 ArunRV         And I can't seem to set the expiry date for admin. Not sure if this is even possible - don't know if the admin is a patron in the koha world.
15:01 narciagrcia    I suppose that it cannot be done, but the software doesn't expect this circumstance.
15:02 narciagrcia    I feel that only patrons can login to OPAC.
15:02 wizzyrea       ohh, ArunRV don't log in with the admin user. Create a new staff user and give that user superlibrarians
15:02 wizzyrea       only log in with the admin user for upgrades.
15:02 narciagrcia    installation admin account seems to be hardcoded apart, and it's not a patron.
15:02 wizzyrea       strange things happen with the admin user
15:02 wizzyrea       ^^ what narciagrcia
15:03 ArunRV         Right. My bad. Won't login as admin user from now on. Lesson learned.
15:03 wizzyrea       :)
15:03 ArunRV         Thanks!
15:03 narciagrcia    Except for upgrades, superlibrarians can do everything that does the admin?
15:04 wizzyrea       it's on the table to fix that - create a separate admin user at install time.
15:04 wizzyrea       narciagrcia: exactly.
15:04 narciagrcia    I was doing everything with the current admin account.
15:04 wizzyrea       the admin user should be used exactly once - to log in and define first library, create first patron category, with the goal of creating another superlibrarian.
15:05 wizzyrea       then you log out, and log back in as that user. :)
15:05 wizzyrea       it doesn't *hurt* anything to use the admin user, but operations that require, say, an expiry date or a branch defined won't work with the admin user.
15:06 narcisgarcia   The difficult for this is that installer people walks a large path before finding the users creation, its categories and permissions.
15:06 wizzyrea       yep, it's a problem, there's a push to fix it.
15:06 wizzyrea       mostly because we don't create a default library, we offer the *option* to
15:06 wizzyrea       which I think is weird.
15:06 wizzyrea       so some people think they'll be clever and not install the default library, then struggle.
15:07 narcisgarcia   The web installation wizard is too short.
15:07 wizzyrea       yep http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Rfc_3.10_webinstaller_improvements
15:07 narcisgarcia   I installed a lot of optional components, but I didn't know about any superlibrarian registered.
15:08 wizzyrea       no, none of that happens now it's all proposed.
15:08 narcisgarcia   (and I only have seen the patrons I registered manually)
15:08 wizzyrea       you create a super librarian by going to the patron detail
15:08 wizzyrea       click more -> permissions -> check "superlibrarian"
15:08 wizzyrea       save it
15:08 wizzyrea       log out, log in as that user.
15:11 wizzyrea       creating a superlibrarian?
15:11 wahanui        Create a new user with login/password, and go to more -> permissions -> and check "superlibrarian." Click save. Then log out and back in with that user.
15:11 wizzyrea       using the admin account?
15:11 wahanui        don't use the admin account. Create a new user with login/password, and go to more -> permissions -> and check "superlibrarian." Click save. Then log out and back in with that user.
15:12 ArunRV         Thanks wizzyrea and narcisgarcia. You've been of great help!
15:12 wizzyrea       yvw. :)
15:13 wizzyrea       (I was just teaching the bot these things so I don't have to keep typing it over and over)
15:19 narcisgarcia   Is it possible to customize links in the home page for librarians? For example "Add item with default framework"
15:22 wizzyrea       yea, there are a couple of ways to handle that
15:22 wizzyrea       1. create a link in the header using the system preference "intranetnav"
15:23 wizzyrea       2. create a link in the footer using "intranetfooter"
15:23 wizzyrea       3. create a link in a news item, and display that on the home page of the intranet.
15:23 wizzyrea       4. use jquery to add it to the list of items currently there.
15:23 wizzyrea       (4 will be a less beautiful option in 3.8, however)
15:24 narcisgarcia   I prefer first option (header)
15:25 wizzyrea       yup, that's  probably what I'd do too.
15:25 wizzyrea       that or a news item.
15:28 narcisgarcia   Ok, works perfectly with only an HTML <a> tag.
15:30 wizzyrea       oh sorry there's no intranetfooter, there's intranetmainuserblock
15:30 wizzyrea       which reminds me I should see what that looks like in 3.9
15:30 wizzyrea       3.8
15:30 wizzyrea       well, 3.9 I guess now >.>
15:31 wizzyrea       not so bad really: http://screencast.com/t/Ns9Iqeynhun
15:31 wizzyrea       pretty good :)
15:40 oleonard       Surprise 3-hour meeting! But I'm back now.
15:40 wizzyrea       yay oleonard
15:41 wizzyrea       if you have a minute, look over 7998 for obvious stupidity?
15:41 wizzyrea       i'm not as superpro as you are :)
15:42 wizzyrea       and I have a few more things that I've since fixed.
15:42 wizzyrea       other things
15:44 edveal         Anyone have a quick and easy way to change the default search from keyword "Library Catalog" to "Title"
15:44 edveal         I would rather not build a custom search bar...
15:44 wizzyrea       there might be one in the jquery library that does that
15:44 kf             edveal: but title is wrong?
15:44 wizzyrea       I can't remember
15:44 edveal         I didn't see it but I could have missed it.
15:44 kf             edveal: what about keyword? that would make it the same as on the advanced search
15:45 kf             and yes, I think you can do it with jquery
15:45 wizzyrea       something about using jquery to pick a different default
15:45 edveal         This is a work around for apostrophe bug
15:45 wizzyrea       apostrophe bug?
15:46 oleonard       Try this: $("#masthead_search option[value='ti']").attr("selected","selected");
15:55 oleonard       who's got a demo running master?
15:55 kf             edveal: ok, I misunderstood :( I thought you wanted to change the label - that's what one of my libraries asked for - sorry
15:56 kf             oleonard: magnuse - but it's normarc :)
15:56 edveal         oleonard thanks
15:57 wizzyrea       hm bywater's is out of date...
15:58 wizzyrea       so is equinox's
15:58 wizzyrea       libriotech is running 3.8
16:01 slef           I must move our demo to a new server. I've a semi-private demo running master if you can edit /etc/hosts oleonard
16:02 oleonard       It's no big deal slef, if you want to keep it private
16:02 oleonard       Thanks
16:03 slef           it's mainly because it's for our testing
16:03 slef           so it's just not in DNS... not really very private
16:03 slef           else it would be on the VPN
16:06 narcisgarcia   I've made a framework with fields 000, 020.a, 100.a, 245.a, 300.a, 300.c, 440.v, 520.a, 856.u, 942.c, 952.1, 952.4, 952.5, 952.7, 952.a, 952.b, 952.c, 952.d, 952.e, 952.t, 952.v, 952.y but when I use it to "add MARC record", I really see the fields 000, 020.a, 082.2, 082.6, 082.8, 082.a, 082.b, 100.a, 245.a, 300.a, 300.c, 440.v, 520.a, 856.u and no more.
16:07 narcisgarcia   Why Koha adds the 082.* and hides 952.* ?
16:13 narcisgarcia   082 is "DEWEY DECIMAL CLASSIFICATION NUMBER"
16:15 slef           952 is item-level data, set in Items pages, not in bibliographic record editing
16:16 slef           but you might be able to control some of it through hide/show options in the framework editor... sorry I don't have time to look now.
16:22 narcisgarcia   082 can have any relation with the value in  itemcallnumber ?
16:24 kf             yes
16:24 kf             check system preference itemcallnumber
16:24 kf             it can be used as a suggestion when cataloging items
16:25 narcisgarcia   it has "082ab", but the framework shows 082ab268
16:25 narcisgarcia   (subfields 2 6 8 a b)
16:25 kf             you can try adding more subifields, but not sure it will take all of them into account
16:26 kf             bye all
16:38 gaetan_B       bye #koha!
16:58 ArunRV         Hello I am trying to understand Koha codebase related to creating/updating patron information. Could someone more familiar with the codebase and perl please point me to the location where the patron data is actually saved to the DB in members/memberentry.pl?
17:00 oleonard       Revised (again) fix for Bug 4048 now available
17:01 jwagner        ArunRV, most patron information is in the borrowers table. There are some related tables for messaging preferences, permissions, etc.
17:01 ArunRV         I can see that there is some data sanity checks happening followed by a template output - the code also has an unused $dbh variable. But where is the call to the DB actually made?
17:02 cait           ArunRV: I suspet somewhere in the C4 module for patrons
17:02 jwagner        Probably Members.pm
17:02 oleonard       ArunRV: I assume memberentry.pl calls a function in C4/Members.pm
17:02 cait           ^^ :)
17:03 ArunRV         Thanks jwagner, cait and oleonard - will take a look again!
17:03 cait           ArunRV: what are you trying to do?
17:05 ArunRV         Well. We have a school campus managmheent system  - I want to synchronize the user information between that and Koha. LDAP is not an option since the system doesn't support it. My only option is to write some code to hook koha and the scms.
17:05 cait           have you checked if you could perhaps use the patron import tool`
17:05 cait           ?
17:06 cait           i am not sure if there is a command line script for that yet - but it allows matching on a cardnumber or other id
17:08 ArunRV         I just googled patron import tool - ideally, the synchronization should not be a one time affair. If a student updates his/her password on the SCMS, it should get reflected in Koha as well.
17:09 jwagner        You might investigate SIP protocols -- I don't know if there is anything that would allow changing patron data, but there are already some routines in Koha that might be expanded.
17:13 ArunRV         If there's no ready made solution that caters precisely to this scenario, I'd rather write a small script to do the synching - this was fairly straightforward with Moodle. Was hoping it'd be the same for Koha. :-)
17:14 cait           ArunRV: yes, you could reimport the data every night
17:14 cait           ArunRV: the interface for the koha patron import is in the tools menu
17:16 ArunRV         Hmm.. I think that could work. Does the import feature allow updating records as well?
17:16 cait           yes
17:16 cait           you match on a unique elment - cardnumer or something you have defined in patron attributes to be unique
17:17 cait           and tell it what to do when it finds a match - overlay or ignore
17:17 ArunRV         That's great! I could simply import precisely the changed record when the update happens on the SCMS. WIll take a look at how it's done.
17:18 ArunRV         Thanks a lot for pointing this out.
17:18 cait           ArunRV: not sure how good iw tould work for you - but it's perhaps worth checking out :)
17:37 pastebot       "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "cron-style patron imports" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/365
17:37 chris_n        ArunRV: ^^^
17:38 chris_n        those are few lines from an automated patron import script I wrote some years ago for a client
17:38 chris_n        it should be enough to give you a few ideas of what is possible w/o munging up the core code
17:47 chris_n        bug 8000
17:47 chris_n        wahanui?
17:47 wahanui        yes, chris_n?
17:47 chris_n        bugs?
17:47 wahanui        bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
17:48 * chris_n      pokes gmcharlt
18:10 ArunRV         Thanks, chris_n - will take a look.
18:10 ArunRV         Bye everyone. Thanks for all the help. :-)
18:17 oleonard       anyone else tried the offline circ tool lately?
18:17 oleonard       It was working for me a couple of months ago and now it isn't
18:30 oleonard       Software error: Usage: Date::Calc::check_date(year, month, day) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Members.pm line 462.
18:33 oleonard       Looks like it comes from having borrowers.debarred = 1 (instead of a date I presume?)
18:41 oleonard       Rhubarb rhubarb fatal circulation error rhubarb rhubarb
18:41 * oleonard     keels over dead
18:41 jcamins_away   oleonard: that seems like a big problem.
18:42 Oak            kia ora #koha
18:42 jcamins_away   Was debarred boolean until fairly recently?
18:42 oleonard       Until not so recently
18:42 oleonard       So something must have happened since to upset things
18:43 * oleonard     will git bisect
18:55 chris_n        jcamins_away: did you get your picture hung?
18:55 * chris_n      hands hdl some glue
18:56 jcamins_away   chris_n: I did not yet, alas.
18:56 jcamins_away   This afternoon I'll buy more nails.
18:56 chris_n        hmm tons of netsplits
18:57 jcamins_away   And picture wire, since a couple of our pictures don't have picture wire.
18:57 * chris_n      will add picture rail when remodeling three rooms w/ 12' ceilings in his house
18:57 chris_n        and then hang lots of nice pictures :)
18:58 * chris_n      wonders why jquery's unbind method does not...
18:58 jcamins_away   That's a good idea.
19:20 mveron         Good evening #koha
19:28 mbalmer        grumblings..
19:35 mbalmer        does Perl's IO:Socket support IPv6 ?
19:35 rangi          Morning
19:36 wizzyrea       hey rangi
19:36 jcamins_away   Morning.
19:36 wahanui        morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:37 mveron         Good day- or nighttime, everybody around the world  :-)
19:37 * rangi        is still suffering from stupid headaches but is gonna try work anyway
19:37 wizzyrea       :(((
19:37 mbalmer        cats are evil..
19:37 wizzyrea       !
19:37 wizzyrea       !!
19:37 mbalmer        <- allergic
19:38 wizzyrea       jcamins has a hypoallergenic cat.
19:38 jcamins_away   So are we. We have a wonderful hypoallergenic cat.
19:38 wizzyrea       and myshkin is adorable.
19:38 mbalmer        the /bin/cat on my Unix is non-allergic, too. ;)
19:38 wizzyrea       now, if they can make one that is hypoallergenic, has fluffy hair but doesn't shed/puke hairballs
19:38 wizzyrea       I'd be in cat heaven.
19:39 oleonard       "Whenever the cat wants breakfast" is an awfully expansive definition.
19:39 wizzyrea       as long as you're not keeping the cat in the bin, that's alright.
19:39 oleonard       wizzyrea: I would add "does his business outside" to that list
19:39 mbalmer        however, mveron and I discussed and a found a way to print to POS printers.  we guess.  email to devel@ tomorrow.
19:40 wizzyrea       oh, and cat byproducts should not smell either.
19:40 * oleonard     makes a POS printer joke
19:40 mbalmer        in which hotel are most folks staying in edinburgh?
19:40 mbalmer        oleanard, go for it.  I never heard a POS printer joke … ;)
19:41 wizzyrea       POS also = piece of s***
19:41 mbalmer        yes, that far I am informed, but now for the joke….?
19:42 wizzyrea       never know around here which TLA's people are going to understand ^.^
19:42 wizzyrea       (and in what context)
19:42 oleonard       TLAs like "TLA"
19:42 wizzyrea       ^^ precisely
19:43 mbalmer        an SQL statements enters a bar and sees two tables… "may I join you?"
19:43 mveron         About Hotels in Edinborough, some of them ask £10 extra for 1 day Internet access  :-(
19:43 * wizzyrea     rimshots
19:43 wizzyrea       ok that actually was pretty funny
19:44 rangi          I'm just gonna get a sim for my phone
19:44 rangi          And tether that
19:45 mbalmer        mveron, so you pay 10 bucks and all you get is koha commit messages.. ;)
19:46 mbalmer        mveron, but we should slowly start to find a hotel… or else we will be bridgeing..
19:47 jcamins_away   Apparently Pollock still had rooms as of a few days ago.
19:47 jcamins_away   (they're dorm rooms, but perfectly acceptable ones)
19:48 mveron         Thanks, jcamins, will have a look.
19:49 rangi          Yep olugbenga is staying there
19:49 * mbalmer      envisions mveron staying in a students dorm...
19:49 jcamins_away   rangi: that's how I knew.
19:49 jcamins_away   I lived a bit further south.
19:49 jcamins_away   (than Pollock)
19:49 jcamins_away   It's a very pleasant walk up to Old Town.
19:50 mbalmer        I will ask the queen if we can stay at the castle, after all we host the second best know military tatoo in Basel, right, mveron?
19:52 mveron         Does the castle belong to the queen? I think her residence is near the  Parliament building?
19:52 rangi          Bbiab
19:52 mbalmer        I will ask her for exact directions.
19:52 jcamins_away   mveron: presumably it's state-owned, but you are correct, the Palace is where she lives.
19:53 mveron         Ok, thanks for the clarification.
19:53 jcamins_away   ("it" being the castle)
19:54 jcamins_away   I don't think there's a private conservancy, because I'm pretty sure they share a membership scheme with the other national monuments.
19:54 mbalmer        did you guys know that the winning entry for the best joke was selected in edinburgh?  There was a joke festival there. Dunno the name, but the joke is nice.
19:55 mbalmer        "I had to choose a password of at least eight characters, so I chose snow white and the seven dwarfs"
19:59 oleonard       Can someone please try editing a patron in master and setting the 'restricted' flag with no date?
20:00 wizzyrea       sure
20:01 wizzyrea       works for me
20:02 oleonard       Ah, I see the problem. I should have checked this first.
20:02 oleonard       | debarred            | tinyint(1)   | YES  |     | NULL    |                |
20:02 oleonard       borrowers.debarred should be a date now eh?
20:03 wizzyrea       what problem were you having?
20:03 wizzyrea       because either I did it wrong, or I'm not seeing your issue
20:04 jcamins_away   oleonard: probably another error in kohastructure.sql, since you did a new installation.
20:04 wizzyrea       oh good point
20:04 oleonard       I think rather an import of an older-version borrowers table because kohastructure.sql looks correct
20:05 wizzyrea       also a good point. >.>
20:07 jcamins_away   We should have an optional test to ensure that kohastructure.sql and updatedatabase.pl result in a database with the same structure.
20:07 * jcamins_away will ponder how to do that.
20:09 jcamins_away   Okay, I'm calling it a day early.
20:09 jcamins_away   So long.
20:09 oleonard       Bye jcamins_away
20:18 chris_n        heya cait
20:18 cait           hi chris_n
20:18 * chris_n      scrambles up some css
20:19 rangi          back
20:20 * chris_n      wonders if a 'delete all' option in the QOTD editor would be dangerous
20:20 * oleonard     would think so
20:20 wizzyrea       well yea
20:21 wizzyrea       perhaps name it more ominously "purge all quotes"
20:21 cait           hi rangi
20:22 chris_n        it sure would save time if, indeed, one wanted to do such a thing
20:22 wizzyrea       what about a "select all" checkbox with the option to delete all on that page
20:23 wizzyrea       and the option to view outrageous numbers at once
20:23 wizzyrea       500 or something
20:23 cait           hm why not have a delete all with an alert?
20:23 chris_n        I was thinking of doing an alert thing
20:23 wizzyrea       an alert thing would be fine by me
20:23 cait           I mean... limiting what people can do only because they can do it wrong
20:23 chris_n        that's what I do when deleting a single quote
20:24 chris_n        maybe a double alert?
20:24 cait           feels not right to me
20:24 wizzyrea       WARNING WARNING WARNING you are deleting all quotes WARNING WARNING WARNING
20:24 cait           triple? quadruple?
20:24 chris_n        do you really, really want to
20:24 mbalmer        backquotes!
20:24 wizzyrea       are you absolutely positively sure
20:24 chris_n        and then "do you still want to"
20:24 mbalmer        fwiw ;)
20:24 wizzyrea       backflips!
20:24 wizzyrea       fwiw.
20:24 cait           cookies?
20:24 wahanui        Cookies are delicious delicacies
20:24 mbalmer        potatoechips!
20:26 wizzyrea       what, are we talking about things we could do/eat that might eventually hurt us?
20:26 wizzyrea       is this jeopardy?
20:27 cait           cookies can hurt???
20:27 mbalmer        trying to avoid sleeping under bridges in edinburgh, actually.
20:27 * oleonard     waves goodbye to all
20:27 chris_n        bye
20:28 wizzyrea       depends on your definition of hurt
20:28 mbalmer        gn8
20:28 wizzyrea       bye oleonard
20:34 * chris_n      heads off in search of cookies... very carefully
20:36 cait           heh
20:38 mbalmer        hotel booked.
20:38 mveron         The same...
20:39 mbalmer        heh, it is your fault, mveron!
20:41 mveron         Holyrood PAlace is big...
20:41 mveron         You get a room in an other part of the building...
20:57 mveron         Good night #koha
21:50 eythian        hi
21:51 * chris_n      munches a snickerdoodle
21:51 rangi          yum
21:52 ronald         Hiya #Koha
21:53 chris_n        while waiting for the baked potatoes and chili to get done cooking
21:53 rangi          hi ronald
21:54 ronald         Good morning rangi:)
21:54 eythian        hello ronald
21:55 ronald         hey hello eythian
21:59 wizzyrea       oh snickerdoodles,
21:59 wizzyrea       i love those
21:59 wizzyrea       my favorite simple cookie
22:00 wizzyrea       there is something funny with perl include paths in ubuntu 12. will have to work that out.
22:00 wizzyrea       don't think it's koha tho, I think it's ubunut.
22:00 wizzyrea       ubuntu*
22:00 eythian        hmm, I should probably build a 12.04 vm some time and test the packages there.
22:01 * wizzyrea     will probably do that here soon.
23:06 * jcamins_away joins the Ubuntu upgrade party.
23:07 jcamins_away   Well, I think I know why it's taking so long... everyone is downloading Ubuntu right now.
23:35 druthb         o/
23:36 rangi          hi druthb
23:36 druthb         hi, rangi!  :D
23:48 rangi          http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/sneak-attack-surprise-amendme.html  <-- yuck