Time Nick Message 00:31 mtj ooh, mod_pagespeed plugin for apache - looks helpful for Koha performance debugging 00:32 mtj https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/download#mod_pagespeed 00:32 mtj http://www.modpagespeed.com/ 00:35 mtj "mod_pagespeed is an open-source Apache module that automatically optimizes web pages and resources on them. Optimization is done by rewriting the resources using filters that implement web performance best practices. Webmasters and web developers can use mod_pagespeed to improve the performance of their web pages when serving content with the Apache HTTP Server." 00:35 mtj aah, its not for debugging, but does actual optimization before sending to browser 00:36 mtj ... could be a nice easy speed win 01:05 chris_n mtj: I downloaded all 3.2G of it last evening hoping to pound koha with it a bit :) 01:08 mtj man, this oracle/google java case in the tech news is beyond belief :/ 01:09 mtj ... i cant even be bothered attempting to understand it 01:10 mtj http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/04/25/0011226/schmidt-testifies-android-did-not-use-suns-ip 01:12 mtj actually, i lie.... i *have* attempted to understand it - and i can't 01:14 jcamins_away rangi, excellent, I hopwd you would. 01:15 * chris_n wonders if jcamins_away found his nail 01:34 * chris_n wanders off in search of sleep 01:40 jcamins_away Nope. 01:52 Judit do you know any Koha library with Library Thing's Library Anywhere app working? 01:53 mtj heya Judit 01:53 mtj hmm, i dont... :/ 01:53 mtj eythian might? 01:54 eythian I don't either 01:54 mtj meh, ok :) 01:55 mtj .. ive always been curious to see functionality it offers 01:55 mtj s/see/see what/ 03:03 druthb o/ 03:40 Amit_Gupta heya bag 04:00 vkm Dear Vimal, I am using field 942$c commonly for BOOK (BK) item in my all records and making dividing items like reference book (REF), Reserve book (RB), Book bank (BB) in field 952. But when restricting the search in OPAC by Book only it shows also records which contain reference items only in field 952 which may be because of field 942$c where Book is ente 04:00 vkm So please advice me what to do to handle this problem? May i remove all field 942$c because 952 already contain information about each item type? Please see below my record structure and also let me know any solution/patch for auto indexing through cronjob. 04:07 dgl-library Hi #koha 04:11 dgl-library Anybody here have experience successfully backing up the database? I'm having a problem. 04:11 mtj dgl-library: just use mysqldump 04:12 mtj $ mysqldump mydb > mydb.sql 04:12 eythian dgl-library: I just use the backups that the koha-common package makes. 04:13 mtj eythian++ even better :) 04:16 dgl-library eythian: how do I make those backups? 04:17 eythian run koha from the packages and it just happens 04:17 Judit :) 04:17 dgl-library I was trying mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql … but it didn't like my username/password combination 04:17 dgl-library eythian: I don't know what that means. where do I start? koha's staff client is up and running. 04:18 eythian dgl-library: if you installed Koha from the debian packages, then backups are made for you automatically. 04:18 eythian however, your command should work provided the username, password, and database name match your koha config. 04:19 mtj dgl-library look in your koha-xml.conf file - for the user/password 04:19 eythian If it's not working, then they don't match. 04:19 dgl-library eythian: where are those backups stored? 04:19 dgl-library mtj: thanks, I'll check 04:19 eythian /var/spool/koha 04:20 mtj dgl-library: i guess 'koha' is not your password 04:20 eythian mtj: you're reading the command wrong 04:21 mtj ah, yep ;) 04:21 dgl-library mtj: it asks for the password in a dialogue after that :) 04:21 mtj -p is 'prompt for password' 04:21 mtj -p koha != -pkoha 04:21 dgl-library mtj: but you were on to something… I realized koha is not the db name! 04:22 mtj yep, all those details are in the .conf file 04:23 dgl-library eythian: thanks, I found the backups you were talking about. very useful to know about! I didn't see /var/spool/koha mentioned in http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Backing_up_Koha 04:23 eythian I think it's documented on the package wiki page 04:23 eythian but should be elsewhere too 04:26 dgl-library mtj: so if I do it without -p, I'm not asked for my password, but I still get all the same info? 04:26 dgl-library mtj: never mind, that didn't work either 04:33 eythian dgl-library: your password is in your koha-conf.xml 05:00 Amit_Gupta heya eythian, mtj 05:05 vkm i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also 05:06 vkm please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type?? 05:09 vkm hello koha users seeking help please 05:23 vkm after importing the records i could not search by author, subject browse options 05:23 vkm what need to be done before importing to browse options 05:24 Judit canyou search and find the records 05:24 vkm yes 05:29 vkm hello answer please 05:29 vkm i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also, please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type?? 05:29 renren_28 hi guys 05:29 vkm hi 05:30 vkm i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also, please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type?? 05:30 renren_28 i have a question on my koha virtual appliance 05:31 renren_28 help me guy with this error •DateTime::Format::ICal 05:31 renren_28 Version: 0.09 05:31 renren_28 Usage: Core 05:31 renren_28 •Modern::Perl 05:31 renren_28 Version: 1.03 05:31 renren_28 Usage: Core 05:31 renren_28 please help me 05:31 dgl-library eythian: thanks. found it. 05:32 dgl-library renren_28: I tried using the koha virtual appliance and had nothing but problems. are you using the configured or unconfigured version? 05:32 renren_28 same version 05:32 renren_28 same result 05:33 renren_28 im using the virtual box 05:34 dgl-library renren_28: right, but you downloaded the koha virtual appliance, right? there are 2 versions: "configured" and "unconfigured" … which one do you have? 05:34 renren_28 the configured version 05:35 dgl-library renren_28: that's good, because we had endless problems with the unconfigured version. unfortunately very few people in this group use the virtual appliance, so if I were you I wouldn't mention the virtual appliance when asking your questions. btw, what country are you in? 05:36 renren_28 philippines 05:37 renren_28 do u have ym dgl-library? 05:38 dgl-library here's my suggestion: if you prefer to do things via virtualbox, download the virtualbox image of Debian Lenny from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/virtualboximage/debian-5.0-x86.7z 05:38 dgl-library and then install virtualbox on that debian OS in the normal way. fewer problems. 05:38 vkm i used 942$c commonly for item BOOK (BK) in all records at the time of importing data and used 952 for separating item types like reference etc, but in searching when i restrict by Book it shows reference also, please advice what to do can i remove field 942$c because field 952 already contain information about each item type?? 05:39 cait vkm: I think repeating the same question here again and again will not make people help you 05:39 cait you could try to write an email to the list with all necessary informationa nd examples what you want to do 05:40 renren_28 ok thanks i will 05:40 vkm sorry but i am new to system but trying to implement koha in a big organisation 05:40 vkm from where i can get mail of relevant peoples please tell me 05:41 cait mailing lists? 05:41 wahanui mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/ 05:41 Judit vkm, so you have itype in 942c 05:42 vkm yes commonly used in all recor at the time of importing 05:42 Judit and in 952 you have an "extended" itype 05:42 vkm yes 05:42 Judit 952y is the itemtype field in koha bydefault 05:43 vkm e.g Book in 942 than if 3 copy of book we divided it as reference, reserve and again book in 952y 05:44 vkm at searching in opac when restricting by Book item it shows reference item also 05:44 vkm because may be Book i used in 942c even the biblio contain only reference 05:45 Judit do you have itemtypes set up for reference and reserve? 05:45 vkm yes everything ok 05:46 vkm if restrictes search by reference than result is fine only reference 05:46 dgl-library mtj: I successfully entered the backup commands "mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql" … where is that backup stored? 05:46 Judit what do you need the information in 942 for? 05:46 vkm but if i use restrict by Book it gives all item result i noticed 05:46 Judit the itemtype tells you wjat it is, right? 05:47 cait dgl-library: the file should be in the same directory you ran the command in 05:48 cait morning Oak 05:48 Oak morning cait :) 05:48 dgl-library cait: thanks! found it. 05:48 Oak kia ora #koha 05:49 Judit sorry vkm i cannot help you 05:49 dgl-library TÄ“nÄ koe Oak 05:49 Oak hello dgl-library :) 05:49 vkm can i ignore item type in field 942c 05:50 Judit Koha to MARC Mapping 05:50 Judit go there 05:51 Judit in biblioitems, 942c is pointing to itemtype 05:51 cait Judit: I think I would be very careful changing that 05:51 Judit yes i know 05:51 Judit but he wants to 05:51 cait it seems more safe to just not make the field mandatory perhaps 05:51 Judit and i never said to change that 05:51 Amit_Gupta heya cait, Judit 05:52 Judit also in items, 952y is pointing to itemtype 05:52 Judit hi 05:52 dgl-library hi amit, are you here in india? 05:52 cait Judit: sorry 05:53 Amit_Gupta heya dg-library 05:53 Amit_Gupta heya dgl-library ya i m in india 05:53 Amit_Gupta .. 05:54 dgl-library so am I 05:54 Amit_Gupta dgl-library are you also from india 05:54 Amit_Gupta ? 05:54 vkm so can i remove 942c from all my records bcz 952y already contains item information, and can i remove mandatory from 942c? 05:56 dgl-library Amit_Gupta: I am also in India 05:57 Amit_Gupta from where? 06:17 dgl-library I am in HP, and you? 06:18 eythian vkm: removing mandatory from a koha internal field is probably a very bad idea. 06:18 alex_a bonjour 06:19 vkm than advice what to do 06:20 eythian change how zebra is searching, perhaps, so it excludes 942? 06:20 wahanui eythian: that doesn't look right 06:21 eythian I'm not really capable of helping you with that though. 06:23 dgl-library vkm: if it's bothering you, go into Subfields and make it hidden 06:23 dgl-library vkm: but do not change the Default framework 06:23 Oak Amit_Gupta, any Z39.50 servers' details you can provide from India... that have Management Sciences LPE / Indian Editions of foreign books 06:24 vkm searching my problem is searching in opac 06:24 vkm somebody told me it is bug 06:25 vkm when i limit search by Boo it also shows reference because for reference item in field 952y i used Book in field 942c uniformly for all the records at the time of importing 06:26 vkm =942 \\$cBK =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p5683$yREF$o621.8002 O15M 06:26 vkm =942 \\$cBK =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1271$yREF$o621.01 MAN =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1564$yRB$o621.01 MAN 06:26 vkm =942 \\$cBK =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1000$yBK$o621.3 KNO =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p663$yBK$o621.3 KNO 06:27 vkm please above my record structures in marc format i used for importing 06:27 vkm 942c is common than used 952y for each item type 06:30 vkm i think if there is no Book in 952y field than i have to use item REF/BB/RS etc. in 942c so searching by book only will not pick the data from 942c field 06:30 marcelr hi koha 06:30 vkm but i wanted to use book as a common item/material type 06:31 vkm above are my problems please advice 06:31 Oak hello marcelr 06:33 marcelr hi Oak 06:35 francharb morning #koha 06:36 marcelr hi francharb 06:41 Oak morning francharb 06:46 magnuse kia ora #koha! 06:47 vkm magnuse hi 06:47 magnuse hiya vkm 06:47 vkm probably you resolve my problem 06:47 magnuse sorry probably not 06:47 vkm =942 \\$cBK =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p5683$yREF$o621.8002 O15M 06:48 vkm biblio contain only reference item 06:48 julian_m hi 06:49 vkm but i used book in 942c uniformly at the time of importin so when i search by item type book only it sows reference also 06:50 eythian You could write a script that sets 942$c to be equal to whatever the item type really is. 06:50 vkm there is two option either not to make 942 mandatory or not to use book if it contain item reference only etc 06:51 vkm 942c must be equal to 952y in my case but for searching book type only it does not 06:52 vkm if i search for reference it pics only reference 06:53 vkm so if i will make 942c also reference than it will work fine but loose uniformity of Book in 942c 06:53 vkm please advice 06:53 wahanui please advice is there any other easy and friendly method to do the job on server machine i wanted to implement it in mib_ex6ial's library 06:54 vkm what is difference between 942c field and 952y field 06:55 eythian 942c is at the biblio level, and provides the default item type. 06:56 eythian 952y is the item type for a specific item. 06:57 dgl-library Bye for now #koha 06:57 vkm than if i have two same book one for reference and one for BooK(general issue) what data should i fill in 942 and 952 06:58 vkm have defined BK for general book and REF for reference 07:03 eythian whatever is most appropriate for the situation. 07:03 eythian If you bought another one, what would it most likely be 07:04 eythian that kind of thing, I don't think there's a rule. 07:05 vkm actualy i wanted to use one biblio for many items type 07:06 eythian that's not uncommon 07:06 eythian 942$c is used as more of a default than anything. 07:07 vkm but 942c accepts only one which i want to use as a book type material uniformly, but if i use book by default in 942c even the book is reference in 952y field it creates problem in searching 07:08 vkm when restricting search by item book it shows the reference also but there is no reference in 952y field 07:09 eythian vkm: you could always ask on the mailing list, not everyone is awake at this time here. 07:09 vkm ok 07:28 gaetan_B hii #koha! 07:31 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 07:41 Oak magnuse 07:49 magnuse Oak 07:50 Oak magnuse, do you know how to set-up postfix for Koha? 07:50 Oak for email notifications 07:51 magnuse Oak: not really - i think last time i tried i pretty much just did "sudo apt-get install postfix", but i might misremember... 07:52 Oak i have installed it, but cannot get email notifications to work: http://pastebin.com/8s2xBBTY 07:53 Oak this is from /var/log/syslog by the way 07:53 kf hi #koha 07:53 magnuse Oak: try googling "User unknown in local recipient table"? 07:53 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:54 Oak welcome back cait 07:54 Oak hmm 07:54 magnuse Oak: just a friendly tip: http://paste.koha-community.org/ has less commercials :-) 07:55 Oak aah 07:55 Oak cool 07:55 eythian magnuse: you don't have adblock? 07:56 narcisgarcia Hello! 07:57 magnuse hola narcisgarcia 07:57 magnuse eythian: only a well developed one between my ears :-) 07:59 narcisgarcia Once configured all categories of Koha, I don't know how to enter books. 07:59 magnuse [off] this is what happens when you piss norwegians off, we sing children's songs at you, real loud :-) http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-breivik-song-idUSBRE83O0VD20120425 08:00 magnuse narcisgarcia: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/cataloging.html 08:01 narcisgarcia Is only the installation user who can catalog books? 08:01 narcisgarcia I've created user categories and don't know how to allow librarians to catalog. 08:02 narcisgarcia Ok, I'll read carefully that manual chapter. 08:04 rangi Also read the chapter on adding staff users 08:04 magnuse narcisgarcia: don't do things as the installation user, do what rangi says :-) 08:05 narcisgarcia I see the global parameter "IndependantBranches" (very interesting for us), but I don't know how to setup branches. 08:07 magnuse narcisgarcia: have a look through the manual, there's tons of good stuff in there :-) 08:17 Oak magnuse!!!!! 08:17 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 08:17 Oak it worked 08:17 Oak mail working 08:17 magnuse yay! 08:17 Oak now question... the mail I received from my Koha server says: 08:17 Oak If you have any problems or questions regarding your account, please contact your Koha Administrator. 08:17 Oak Thank you, 08:17 Oak Koha Administrator 08:17 Oak kohaadmin@yoursite.org 08:17 Oak where is that coming from? seems like from Koha? 08:18 magnuse probably :-) 08:18 magnuse there is a setting for admin emai 08:18 Oak where?? 08:18 Oak hmm let me see 08:18 Oak this is coooool 08:18 magnuse :-) 08:19 magnuse KohaAdminEmailAddress is worth a look 08:19 narcisgarcia Administration -> Global system preferences -> Administration -> Interface options 08:19 Oak hmm, that field is already set to my email address 08:20 Oak i think i can grep kohaadmin@yoursite.org 08:21 narcisgarcia What means the "Authorities" concept in Koha? 08:21 magnuse Oak: it might be hardcoded in notice, see :8080/cgi-bin/koha/tools/letter.pl 08:21 pastebot "Oak" at 111.68.99.242 pasted "[root@aridkoha var]# cd /usr/s" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/364 08:22 magnuse Oak: looks like you need to edit some notices 08:22 Oak yup :) 08:22 Oak just the 'en' one 08:22 narcisgarcia Oak, looks like you found only default sample values. 08:23 magnuse narcisgarcia: http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/ 08:23 rangi You might want to do a course in library science, its a big field, authorities aren't specific just to koha 08:24 narcisgarcia Then "authority" refers to the protocol? 08:25 narcisgarcia I want to make the application begin to produce, to librarians catalog some books and public can see them from internet. No much more. 08:25 reiveune hello 08:25 narcisgarcia Hello reiveune 08:25 narcisgarcia (and librarians are common people) 08:26 magnuse narcisgarcia: excuse me? 08:26 Oak hmm. magnuse, editing intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql had no effect. so it *is* just a sample 08:26 wahanui magnuse: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused 08:26 rangi No they are well trained informational professionals 08:27 magnuse Oak: the stuff in intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql was loaded into your db when you did the web installation 08:27 rangi Cataloguers especially 08:27 magnuse Oak: you need to edit them through the WebUI 08:27 Oak so I edit the DB? 08:27 Oak phpMyAdmin? 08:27 magnuse Oak: Home › Tools › Notices & Slips 08:27 narcisgarcia The librarians in the libraries I'm configuring are common people, not professionals. 08:27 Oak aaah 08:28 magnuse Oak: there should never be a need for phpMyAdmin... 08:28 Oak found it magnuse !! 08:28 Oak changed it. cooool. thank you! 08:29 * mtj greets the herd 08:29 rangi You will need to read the manual and then train them then 08:29 mtj narcisgarcia: -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/pt1-7.html#pt4 08:29 mtj 'Understanding MARC Authority Records' 08:30 * magnuse greets mtj 08:32 narcisgarcia Then an authority can be a key word? 08:32 Oak okay now time to check if the overdue notices work or not... i have issued a book. how do i make it's due date expire? 08:33 narcisgarcia "Shakespeare" can be an authority? 08:33 Oak for testing that is 08:33 narcisgarcia http://authorities.loc.gov/help/name-auth.htm 08:33 magnuse Oak: you wait... ;-) 08:33 magnuse Oak: you can set a due date in the past when you issue 08:33 Oak no no i think i found something... the "Renewal due date: " option... 08:34 narcisgarcia An abbreviation can be an authority? 08:35 Oak nah that does not work... hm. i'll keep trying. 08:35 narcisgarcia In my country, the "authority" term generally means "people with power" or "people with intellectual reputation" 08:35 narcisgarcia Hello mbalmer 08:35 mbalmer good morning! 08:36 magnuse narcisgarcia: you are entering a new and strange country now, it's called library land... :-) 08:36 narcisgarcia You mean "English library land" 08:38 narcisgarcia Then "authority" refers to data and not to field structure, right? 08:38 rangi Magnuse is Norwegian, so no 08:38 rangi I'm not English either fwiw 08:40 narcisgarcia I see that we'll need a professional librarian to make the setup, or look for a simpler application. 08:40 narcisgarcia First I tried with Invenio, and someone recommended me Koha better. 08:41 narcisgarcia Note that the spanish translation of the manual is incomplete, and for example there is not the "Implementation Checklist" chapter. 08:43 magnuse narcisgarcia: getting some input from a pro on how to set things up might be a good idea - Koha is pretty hard core, in a way 08:45 akg what difference between deleting the stage imported in catalog record and deleting before importing in catalog stage records 08:48 mtj narcisgarcia: improvements to the spanish translation of the Koha manual are graciously accepted ;) 08:50 narcisgarcia Of course, but first is needed to understand the english librarian country 08:51 narcisgarcia I'm having dificulties with the english version. As I understood some installation steps, I added some tips to the wiki, for example. 08:52 Oak magnuse, a silly question. if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set to 'Don't allow', then where was the setting (check boxes) for that located? Where i can choose which notices should be sent or not? 08:52 Oak got dc... sending again. 08:52 Oak magnuse, a silly question. if EnhancedMessagingPreferences is set to 'Don't allow', then where was the setting (check boxes) for that located? Where i can choose which notices should be sent or not? 08:54 magnuse well, i think you have to set EnhancedMessagingPreferences = Allow to see the checkboxes 08:55 Oak but then users will be able to choose whether they receive overdue notices or not. 08:55 magnuse if they should not choose you don't need the checkboxes 08:56 magnuse then you just configure notices 08:56 akg what difference between deleting the stage imported in catalog record and deleting before importing in catalog stage records 08:56 Oak configure them in "Tools" yes? 08:59 magnuse Oak: Home › Tools › Notice triggers 08:59 Oak yup 08:59 Oak thank you! 08:59 Oak magnuse++ 09:07 narcisgarcia About AllFinesNeedOverride: if set to "no", means that the override will be automatic? 09:08 narcisgarcia (Administration -> System Preferences -> Circulation preferences -> Checkout policy) 09:14 akg cronjob for auto indexing with zebra -z is not working in version 3.6 09:16 akg others cron job are working fine 09:21 narcisgarcia Oops, I made an installation for all the languages, but I see that the bottom list of languages in interface is limited to browser window width. 09:22 narcisgarcia Language links that don't fit in the bottom bar, aren't available (the bar doesn't scroll) 09:26 slef I thought it was a drop-down. Am I obsolete again? 09:27 Oak yes you are 09:27 Oak kidding 09:27 Oak not sure 09:32 narcisgarcia It's like a fixed frame. 09:33 * Oak wondering if it is possible to send an email message to all patrons... 09:46 slef wahanui: ILL? 09:46 wahanui no idea, slef 09:46 slef anyone got an overview of the current state of ILL in koha? 09:47 slef Oak: select email from borrowers in a report, drop it into a mailshotter? 09:47 slef Oak: may be a nicer way but I like using listservers 09:51 narcisgarcia About OPACShowCheckoutName: If set to True, is it shown to public too? 09:51 mib_utlihq yes 09:51 narcisgarcia (Administration -> System Preferences -> OPAC preferences) 09:51 narcisgarcia Ok. 09:52 narcisgarcia Thanks. 09:57 slef ok this is odd 09:58 Oak ah thank you slef ... let me see 09:58 slef I get logged out when I try to place an order in acq 09:59 slef place an item into the basket 09:59 slef but it added it anyway 09:59 slef something to investigate later 09:59 mib_utlihq i get massage hold can not be put, but i saw there was hold finaly 10:00 kf_mtg slef: permissions 10:00 slef kf_mtg: superlibrarian 10:00 wahanui superlibrarian is one of the permissions 10:00 slef Am I right in thinking we cannot move a basket between vendors? 10:00 kf_mtg slef: try giving yourself all acq permission 10:00 kf_mtg s 10:00 kf_mtg sorry, have to run 10:00 slef kf_mtg: will do. Later. 10:00 kf_mtg slef: not yt, there is a patch somewhere I think 10:01 mib_utlihq cronejob for zebra-z not working is there any pathc for that 10:01 mib_utlihq in version3.6.4 10:02 * slef goes searching 10:02 slef mib_utlihq: define "not working" but probably not as if there was a serious problem there would be a 3.6.5 including it ready but search the bug tracker 10:02 slef wahanui: the bug tracker? 10:02 wahanui slef: i don't know 10:03 slef wahanui: the bug tracker is http://bugs.koha-community.org 10:03 wahanui OK, slef. 10:04 mib_utlihq not working means after check out/check in opac does not shows updated record it simply shoes item not available 10:04 mib_utlihq but in details view things are ok 10:04 slef http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7757 Edit basket vendor after it has been created (Failed QA) 10:04 slef thanks kf 10:28 mtj francharb / hdl - about? 10:28 francharb mtj, 0/ 10:28 francharb what is it about? 10:29 mtj heya francharb, a little question... 10:29 francharb tell me! 10:30 mtj me ask in private :) 10:30 francharb oki 11:58 narcisgarcia About yuipath: Are the Yahoo UI libraries free software? 11:59 narcisgarcia (Administration -> System Preferences -> Staff Client preferences -> Appearance) 11:59 jcamins_away narcisgarcia: yes. 11:59 narcisgarcia Which license use? 11:59 jcamins_away No idea. 12:00 narcisgarcia Are written in PERL? 12:00 jcamins_away No, Javascript. 12:00 jcamins_away There's really no reason to change that syspref. 12:00 magnuse YUI is BSD license, according to Home › About Koha › Licenses 12:01 narcisgarcia Do Yahoo get statistical data with the use of its libraries, or some other communication? 12:03 magnuse only if you use the hosted option, not for the local option 12:03 narcisgarcia Ok, thanks. 12:03 narcisgarcia About HidePatronName: does this affect to public/anonymous view? 12:03 narcisgarcia (Administration -> System Preferences -> Staff Client preferences -> Options) 12:04 jcamins_away narcisgarcia: did you read the manual? If you plan on looking at every single syspref, you'd probably be best served by reading through the manual. 12:06 narcisgarcia In the manual, basically is written the same explanation as in the administration interface. 12:06 narcisgarcia "the names of patrons that have items checked out or on hold on detail pages or the "Place Hold" screen" 12:06 narcisgarcia (for the major part of options) 12:08 jcamins_away Ah. I have no idea what that syspref does. 12:08 jcamins_away I generally only change sysprefs when there's something I don't like about the way my system is working. 12:08 narcisgarcia I don't completely understand when an option talks about showing or not showinf something in OPAC, if it refers to anyone or to logged users or to self logged user. 12:09 jcamins_away It probably depends on the option. 12:10 narcisgarcia I don't want to anonymous visitors see any patron name in any place. 12:11 magnuse narcisgarcia: that's the default 12:11 narcisgarcia Ok, then I can suppose, with the defaults, that if some option is already set to show it's only for logged users. 12:12 magnuse logged in users will see their own stuff, as a default no users can see what others have borrowed 12:15 narcisgarcia Thanks. 12:28 oleonard Hi #koha 12:29 magnuse kia ora oleonard 13:03 kf hi oleonard 13:06 Oak kf if free kindly check if this works? http://111.68.99.242/ 13:07 kf hm 13:07 kf it's still loading 13:07 magnuse in norway too 13:07 kf hm it timed out for me 13:08 * jcamins_away too 13:08 Oak :( *sigh* 13:08 Oak okay thanks! 13:22 * chris_n steps in and out 13:25 narciagrcia Hello everybody. 13:28 narciagrcia I've registered a "patron", assigned to a patron category of "Staff" type, but Koha doesn't allow it to login to the administration interface. 13:28 narciagrcia Am I leaving some more permissions to set? 13:30 narciagrcia Librarians are registered as patrons (in staff type categories), or there is another way to work with this kind of users? 13:31 magnuse narciagrcia: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/patronpermissions.html 13:31 narciagrcia Thanks, I didn't find so clear. 13:34 narciagrcia There isn't the same kind of permissions for whole patron category? 13:35 jcamins_away No. 13:40 vfernandes hi guys 13:41 vfernandes can you tell me how to search by the creation time and by the time last modified? 13:41 vfernandes UNIMARC version 13:41 slef raileasy bloody ticket price gougers 13:42 slef </rant> 13:42 slef vfernandes: maybe check if those item fields are indexed by zebra? 13:42 slef wahanui: @marc 952 13:42 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 13:43 ArunRV Hello. We have a school campus management system that has accounts for all students. We have a Koha installation as well. We'd like to have single-sign-on facility for students into Koha using their SCMS id/password. 13:43 vfernandes 099$c date-entered-on-file 13:44 vfernandes but no results obtain :/ 13:44 ArunRV What's the best way to achieve this, please? 13:44 ArunRV I am thinking we have to write some code to link the SCMS (which is in Rails) and Koha? 13:44 jcamins_away ArunRV: you could use LDAP, but it's not going to be simple. 13:45 jcamins_away I believe there's also support for SSO in process, but, again, it's probably not going to be a particularly easy thing to set up. 13:45 magnuse biblibre is working on shibboleth, i think? 13:46 magnuse at least i think that is sso... 13:46 jcamins_away Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. 13:46 jcamins_away I just couldn't remember exactly who was doing it. 13:47 ArunRV We had a similar situation with Moodle. The way we got around that was to figure out where users/passwords etc. are created/set in Moodle, and write hooks that basically updated Moodle DB whenever data was entered into our SCMS 13:48 ArunRV AM I right in saying that all Koha code is (in a standard installation) present in /usr/share/koha? 13:49 jcamins_away Yes, but don't make any code changes in a standard installation. 13:49 jcamins_away You should use git if you're doing any code customizations. 13:49 jcamins_away git? 13:49 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 13:49 jcamins_away ^^ see that document. 13:50 ArunRV Ouch. 13:51 ArunRV We didn't install it via git - I think we just downloaded the tar.gz file (if I'm not wrong), and followed the instructions on the koha website. 13:51 ArunRV Would it be OK to create our own local repository of Git and push /usr/share/Koha to it, and modify it from there? 13:54 slef ArunRV: not as easy, but it's OK for you to do whatever you like, sweetie ;) 13:54 slef ArunRV: but if you break it, you get to keep both pieces ;) 13:55 ArunRV *gulp* 13:58 ArunRV Well, we do have a development installation of Koha - I will play around with it there and see how it goes. 14:15 mbalmer we (swiss kohaistas) discussed printing to epson thermal line printers in Unix/Linux environments (for which EPSON does not provide printer drivers). 14:17 Oak sweetie? slef? 14:20 Oak :) okay time to go... be back in 2 hours God willing. 14:29 GWolverton_ what is the preferred method of running zebrasrv? 14:33 ArunRV Hello all. An issue with a fresh install of koha: when a user logs into the OPAC, they get this error: Date::Calc::PP::Add_Delta_Days(): Date::Calc::Add_Delta_Days(): not a valid date at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-user.pl line 115 14:34 ArunRV Seems to be the same as this prioblem: http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-01-19#i_871714 14:34 ArunRV http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6978 seems relevant - any idea how to fix this? 14:39 wizzyrea what version of koha? 14:39 ArunRV 3.6 14:40 ArunRV koha-3.06.04 14:42 ArunRV I am guessing it's some configuration issue. 14:42 wizzyrea is your date preference set to ISO? 14:42 wizzyrea ping kf 14:45 ArunRV Ah. Where do I set this, please? I couldn't readily find it in Administration -> System Preferences 14:45 ArunRV My apologies - relatively new to Koha. 14:45 wizzyrea :) sok 14:45 wizzyrea sec 14:46 wizzyrea the pref is "dateformat" and it's under I18n/L10N preferences 14:46 ArunRV Thanks! 1 sec. 14:47 wizzyrea but I wonder if - since kf reported a similar issue, if it is in fact sample data related. 14:47 wizzyrea I assume your fresh install used at least some of the sample data 14:47 wizzyrea possibly your patron doesn't have an expiry date? 14:50 slef wizzyrea: "e's gone orf" 14:51 wizzyrea ah well. 14:51 ArunRV I set it to yyyy/mm/dd 14:51 ArunRV still the same error. 14:51 ArunRV :-( 14:51 wizzyrea then I bet it's data 14:51 wizzyrea make sure you have an expiry date set for your patron? 14:51 ArunRV ok.. lemme try that. 14:51 ArunRV 1 sec. 14:52 ArunRV (quite a few secs, actually..:-) 14:55 narciagrcia Does someone know which is the difference for MARC between 952.y (Koha item type) and 942.c (itemtype) ? 14:55 wizzyrea hehe is np 14:56 narciagrcia (MARC21) 14:56 narciagrcia And for Koha? 14:58 narciagrcia Does Koha use the configured item types for the field 952.y, for 942.c or for any of them? 14:58 ArunRV Thanks for waiting. Maybe this is a case of RTFM, but the problem seems to happen when I try to log into OPAC using the admin account - is this a valid thing to try? 14:58 ArunRV No problem with other logins. 15:00 reiveune bye 15:00 narciagrcia When I try to login OPAC with the installation admin account, I get "Software error" 15:01 ArunRV And I can't seem to set the expiry date for admin. Not sure if this is even possible - don't know if the admin is a patron in the koha world. 15:01 narciagrcia I suppose that it cannot be done, but the software doesn't expect this circumstance. 15:02 narciagrcia I feel that only patrons can login to OPAC. 15:02 wizzyrea ohh, ArunRV don't log in with the admin user. Create a new staff user and give that user superlibrarians 15:02 wizzyrea only log in with the admin user for upgrades. 15:02 narciagrcia installation admin account seems to be hardcoded apart, and it's not a patron. 15:02 wizzyrea strange things happen with the admin user 15:02 wizzyrea ^^ what narciagrcia 15:03 ArunRV Right. My bad. Won't login as admin user from now on. Lesson learned. 15:03 wizzyrea :) 15:03 ArunRV Thanks! 15:03 narciagrcia Except for upgrades, superlibrarians can do everything that does the admin? 15:04 wizzyrea it's on the table to fix that - create a separate admin user at install time. 15:04 wizzyrea narciagrcia: exactly. 15:04 narciagrcia I was doing everything with the current admin account. 15:04 wizzyrea the admin user should be used exactly once - to log in and define first library, create first patron category, with the goal of creating another superlibrarian. 15:05 wizzyrea then you log out, and log back in as that user. :) 15:05 wizzyrea it doesn't *hurt* anything to use the admin user, but operations that require, say, an expiry date or a branch defined won't work with the admin user. 15:06 narcisgarcia The difficult for this is that installer people walks a large path before finding the users creation, its categories and permissions. 15:06 wizzyrea yep, it's a problem, there's a push to fix it. 15:06 wizzyrea mostly because we don't create a default library, we offer the *option* to 15:06 wizzyrea which I think is weird. 15:06 wizzyrea so some people think they'll be clever and not install the default library, then struggle. 15:07 narcisgarcia The web installation wizard is too short. 15:07 wizzyrea yep http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Rfc_3.10_webinstaller_improvements 15:07 narcisgarcia I installed a lot of optional components, but I didn't know about any superlibrarian registered. 15:08 wizzyrea no, none of that happens now it's all proposed. 15:08 narcisgarcia (and I only have seen the patrons I registered manually) 15:08 wizzyrea you create a super librarian by going to the patron detail 15:08 wizzyrea click more -> permissions -> check "superlibrarian" 15:08 wizzyrea save it 15:08 wizzyrea log out, log in as that user. 15:11 wizzyrea creating a superlibrarian? 15:11 wahanui Create a new user with login/password, and go to more -> permissions -> and check "superlibrarian." Click save. Then log out and back in with that user. 15:11 wizzyrea using the admin account? 15:11 wahanui don't use the admin account. Create a new user with login/password, and go to more -> permissions -> and check "superlibrarian." Click save. Then log out and back in with that user. 15:12 ArunRV Thanks wizzyrea and narcisgarcia. You've been of great help! 15:12 wizzyrea yvw. :) 15:13 wizzyrea (I was just teaching the bot these things so I don't have to keep typing it over and over) 15:19 narcisgarcia Is it possible to customize links in the home page for librarians? For example "Add item with default framework" 15:22 wizzyrea yea, there are a couple of ways to handle that 15:22 wizzyrea 1. create a link in the header using the system preference "intranetnav" 15:23 wizzyrea 2. create a link in the footer using "intranetfooter" 15:23 wizzyrea 3. create a link in a news item, and display that on the home page of the intranet. 15:23 wizzyrea 4. use jquery to add it to the list of items currently there. 15:23 wizzyrea (4 will be a less beautiful option in 3.8, however) 15:24 narcisgarcia I prefer first option (header) 15:25 wizzyrea yup, that's probably what I'd do too. 15:25 wizzyrea that or a news item. 15:28 narcisgarcia Ok, works perfectly with only an HTML <a> tag. 15:30 wizzyrea oh sorry there's no intranetfooter, there's intranetmainuserblock 15:30 wizzyrea which reminds me I should see what that looks like in 3.9 15:30 wizzyrea 3.8 15:30 wizzyrea well, 3.9 I guess now >.> 15:31 wizzyrea not so bad really: http://screencast.com/t/Ns9Iqeynhun 15:31 wizzyrea pretty good :) 15:40 oleonard Surprise 3-hour meeting! But I'm back now. 15:40 wizzyrea yay oleonard 15:41 wizzyrea if you have a minute, look over 7998 for obvious stupidity? 15:41 wizzyrea i'm not as superpro as you are :) 15:42 wizzyrea and I have a few more things that I've since fixed. 15:42 wizzyrea other things 15:44 edveal Anyone have a quick and easy way to change the default search from keyword "Library Catalog" to "Title" 15:44 edveal I would rather not build a custom search bar... 15:44 wizzyrea there might be one in the jquery library that does that 15:44 kf edveal: but title is wrong? 15:44 wizzyrea I can't remember 15:44 edveal I didn't see it but I could have missed it. 15:44 kf edveal: what about keyword? that would make it the same as on the advanced search 15:45 kf and yes, I think you can do it with jquery 15:45 wizzyrea something about using jquery to pick a different default 15:45 edveal This is a work around for apostrophe bug 15:45 wizzyrea apostrophe bug? 15:46 oleonard Try this: $("#masthead_search option[value='ti']").attr("selected","selected"); 15:55 oleonard who's got a demo running master? 15:55 kf edveal: ok, I misunderstood :( I thought you wanted to change the label - that's what one of my libraries asked for - sorry 15:56 kf oleonard: magnuse - but it's normarc :) 15:56 edveal oleonard thanks 15:57 wizzyrea hm bywater's is out of date... 15:58 wizzyrea so is equinox's 15:58 wizzyrea libriotech is running 3.8 16:01 slef I must move our demo to a new server. I've a semi-private demo running master if you can edit /etc/hosts oleonard 16:02 oleonard It's no big deal slef, if you want to keep it private 16:02 oleonard Thanks 16:03 slef it's mainly because it's for our testing 16:03 slef so it's just not in DNS... not really very private 16:03 slef else it would be on the VPN 16:06 narcisgarcia I've made a framework with fields 000, 020.a, 100.a, 245.a, 300.a, 300.c, 440.v, 520.a, 856.u, 942.c, 952.1, 952.4, 952.5, 952.7, 952.a, 952.b, 952.c, 952.d, 952.e, 952.t, 952.v, 952.y but when I use it to "add MARC record", I really see the fields 000, 020.a, 082.2, 082.6, 082.8, 082.a, 082.b, 100.a, 245.a, 300.a, 300.c, 440.v, 520.a, 856.u and no more. 16:07 narcisgarcia Why Koha adds the 082.* and hides 952.* ? 16:13 narcisgarcia 082 is "DEWEY DECIMAL CLASSIFICATION NUMBER" 16:15 slef 952 is item-level data, set in Items pages, not in bibliographic record editing 16:16 slef but you might be able to control some of it through hide/show options in the framework editor... sorry I don't have time to look now. 16:22 narcisgarcia 082 can have any relation with the value in itemcallnumber ? 16:24 kf yes 16:24 kf check system preference itemcallnumber 16:24 kf it can be used as a suggestion when cataloging items 16:25 narcisgarcia it has "082ab", but the framework shows 082ab268 16:25 narcisgarcia (subfields 2 6 8 a b) 16:25 kf you can try adding more subifields, but not sure it will take all of them into account 16:26 kf bye all 16:38 gaetan_B bye #koha! 16:58 ArunRV Hello I am trying to understand Koha codebase related to creating/updating patron information. Could someone more familiar with the codebase and perl please point me to the location where the patron data is actually saved to the DB in members/memberentry.pl? 17:00 oleonard Revised (again) fix for Bug 4048 now available 17:01 jwagner ArunRV, most patron information is in the borrowers table. There are some related tables for messaging preferences, permissions, etc. 17:01 ArunRV I can see that there is some data sanity checks happening followed by a template output - the code also has an unused $dbh variable. But where is the call to the DB actually made? 17:02 cait ArunRV: I suspet somewhere in the C4 module for patrons 17:02 jwagner Probably Members.pm 17:02 oleonard ArunRV: I assume memberentry.pl calls a function in C4/Members.pm 17:02 cait ^^ :) 17:03 ArunRV Thanks jwagner, cait and oleonard - will take a look again! 17:03 cait ArunRV: what are you trying to do? 17:05 ArunRV Well. We have a school campus managmheent system - I want to synchronize the user information between that and Koha. LDAP is not an option since the system doesn't support it. My only option is to write some code to hook koha and the scms. 17:05 cait have you checked if you could perhaps use the patron import tool` 17:05 cait ? 17:06 cait i am not sure if there is a command line script for that yet - but it allows matching on a cardnumber or other id 17:08 ArunRV I just googled patron import tool - ideally, the synchronization should not be a one time affair. If a student updates his/her password on the SCMS, it should get reflected in Koha as well. 17:09 jwagner You might investigate SIP protocols -- I don't know if there is anything that would allow changing patron data, but there are already some routines in Koha that might be expanded. 17:13 ArunRV If there's no ready made solution that caters precisely to this scenario, I'd rather write a small script to do the synching - this was fairly straightforward with Moodle. Was hoping it'd be the same for Koha. :-) 17:14 cait ArunRV: yes, you could reimport the data every night 17:14 cait ArunRV: the interface for the koha patron import is in the tools menu 17:16 ArunRV Hmm.. I think that could work. Does the import feature allow updating records as well? 17:16 cait yes 17:16 cait you match on a unique elment - cardnumer or something you have defined in patron attributes to be unique 17:17 cait and tell it what to do when it finds a match - overlay or ignore 17:17 ArunRV That's great! I could simply import precisely the changed record when the update happens on the SCMS. WIll take a look at how it's done. 17:18 ArunRV Thanks a lot for pointing this out. 17:18 cait ArunRV: not sure how good iw tould work for you - but it's perhaps worth checking out :) 17:37 pastebot "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "cron-style patron imports" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/365 17:37 chris_n ArunRV: ^^^ 17:38 chris_n those are few lines from an automated patron import script I wrote some years ago for a client 17:38 chris_n it should be enough to give you a few ideas of what is possible w/o munging up the core code 17:47 chris_n bug 8000 17:47 chris_n wahanui? 17:47 wahanui yes, chris_n? 17:47 chris_n bugs? 17:47 wahanui bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. 17:48 * chris_n pokes gmcharlt 18:10 ArunRV Thanks, chris_n - will take a look. 18:10 ArunRV Bye everyone. Thanks for all the help. :-) 18:17 oleonard anyone else tried the offline circ tool lately? 18:17 oleonard It was working for me a couple of months ago and now it isn't 18:30 oleonard Software error: Usage: Date::Calc::check_date(year, month, day) at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Members.pm line 462. 18:33 oleonard Looks like it comes from having borrowers.debarred = 1 (instead of a date I presume?) 18:41 oleonard Rhubarb rhubarb fatal circulation error rhubarb rhubarb 18:41 * oleonard keels over dead 18:41 jcamins_away oleonard: that seems like a big problem. 18:42 Oak kia ora #koha 18:42 jcamins_away Was debarred boolean until fairly recently? 18:42 oleonard Until not so recently 18:42 oleonard So something must have happened since to upset things 18:43 * oleonard will git bisect 18:55 chris_n jcamins_away: did you get your picture hung? 18:55 * chris_n hands hdl some glue 18:56 jcamins_away chris_n: I did not yet, alas. 18:56 jcamins_away This afternoon I'll buy more nails. 18:56 chris_n hmm tons of netsplits 18:57 jcamins_away And picture wire, since a couple of our pictures don't have picture wire. 18:57 * chris_n will add picture rail when remodeling three rooms w/ 12' ceilings in his house 18:57 chris_n and then hang lots of nice pictures :) 18:58 * chris_n wonders why jquery's unbind method does not... 18:58 jcamins_away That's a good idea. 19:20 mveron Good evening #koha 19:28 mbalmer grumblings.. 19:35 mbalmer does Perl's IO:Socket support IPv6 ? 19:35 rangi Morning 19:36 wizzyrea hey rangi 19:36 jcamins_away Morning. 19:36 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:37 mveron Good day- or nighttime, everybody around the world :-) 19:37 * rangi is still suffering from stupid headaches but is gonna try work anyway 19:37 wizzyrea :((( 19:37 mbalmer cats are evil.. 19:37 wizzyrea ! 19:37 wizzyrea !! 19:37 mbalmer <- allergic 19:38 wizzyrea jcamins has a hypoallergenic cat. 19:38 jcamins_away So are we. We have a wonderful hypoallergenic cat. 19:38 wizzyrea and myshkin is adorable. 19:38 mbalmer the /bin/cat on my Unix is non-allergic, too. ;) 19:38 wizzyrea now, if they can make one that is hypoallergenic, has fluffy hair but doesn't shed/puke hairballs 19:38 wizzyrea I'd be in cat heaven. 19:39 oleonard "Whenever the cat wants breakfast" is an awfully expansive definition. 19:39 wizzyrea as long as you're not keeping the cat in the bin, that's alright. 19:39 oleonard wizzyrea: I would add "does his business outside" to that list 19:39 mbalmer however, mveron and I discussed and a found a way to print to POS printers. we guess. email to devel@ tomorrow. 19:40 wizzyrea oh, and cat byproducts should not smell either. 19:40 * oleonard makes a POS printer joke 19:40 mbalmer in which hotel are most folks staying in edinburgh? 19:40 mbalmer oleanard, go for it. I never heard a POS printer joke … ;) 19:41 wizzyrea POS also = piece of s*** 19:41 mbalmer yes, that far I am informed, but now for the joke….? 19:42 wizzyrea never know around here which TLA's people are going to understand ^.^ 19:42 wizzyrea (and in what context) 19:42 oleonard TLAs like "TLA" 19:42 wizzyrea ^^ precisely 19:43 mbalmer an SQL statements enters a bar and sees two tables… "may I join you?" 19:43 mveron About Hotels in Edinborough, some of them ask £10 extra for 1 day Internet access :-( 19:43 * wizzyrea rimshots 19:43 wizzyrea ok that actually was pretty funny 19:44 rangi I'm just gonna get a sim for my phone 19:44 rangi And tether that 19:45 mbalmer mveron, so you pay 10 bucks and all you get is koha commit messages.. ;) 19:46 mbalmer mveron, but we should slowly start to find a hotel… or else we will be bridgeing.. 19:47 jcamins_away Apparently Pollock still had rooms as of a few days ago. 19:47 jcamins_away (they're dorm rooms, but perfectly acceptable ones) 19:48 mveron Thanks, jcamins, will have a look. 19:49 rangi Yep olugbenga is staying there 19:49 * mbalmer envisions mveron staying in a students dorm... 19:49 jcamins_away rangi: that's how I knew. 19:49 jcamins_away I lived a bit further south. 19:49 jcamins_away (than Pollock) 19:49 jcamins_away It's a very pleasant walk up to Old Town. 19:50 mbalmer I will ask the queen if we can stay at the castle, after all we host the second best know military tatoo in Basel, right, mveron? 19:52 mveron Does the castle belong to the queen? I think her residence is near the Parliament building? 19:52 rangi Bbiab 19:52 mbalmer I will ask her for exact directions. 19:52 jcamins_away mveron: presumably it's state-owned, but you are correct, the Palace is where she lives. 19:53 mveron Ok, thanks for the clarification. 19:53 jcamins_away ("it" being the castle) 19:54 jcamins_away I don't think there's a private conservancy, because I'm pretty sure they share a membership scheme with the other national monuments. 19:54 mbalmer did you guys know that the winning entry for the best joke was selected in edinburgh? There was a joke festival there. Dunno the name, but the joke is nice. 19:55 mbalmer "I had to choose a password of at least eight characters, so I chose snow white and the seven dwarfs" 19:59 oleonard Can someone please try editing a patron in master and setting the 'restricted' flag with no date? 20:00 wizzyrea sure 20:01 wizzyrea works for me 20:02 oleonard Ah, I see the problem. I should have checked this first. 20:02 oleonard | debarred | tinyint(1) | YES | | NULL | | 20:02 oleonard borrowers.debarred should be a date now eh? 20:03 wizzyrea what problem were you having? 20:03 wizzyrea because either I did it wrong, or I'm not seeing your issue 20:04 jcamins_away oleonard: probably another error in kohastructure.sql, since you did a new installation. 20:04 wizzyrea oh good point 20:04 oleonard I think rather an import of an older-version borrowers table because kohastructure.sql looks correct 20:05 wizzyrea also a good point. >.> 20:07 jcamins_away We should have an optional test to ensure that kohastructure.sql and updatedatabase.pl result in a database with the same structure. 20:07 * jcamins_away will ponder how to do that. 20:09 jcamins_away Okay, I'm calling it a day early. 20:09 jcamins_away So long. 20:09 oleonard Bye jcamins_away 20:18 chris_n heya cait 20:18 cait hi chris_n 20:18 * chris_n scrambles up some css 20:19 rangi back 20:20 * chris_n wonders if a 'delete all' option in the QOTD editor would be dangerous 20:20 * oleonard would think so 20:20 wizzyrea well yea 20:21 wizzyrea perhaps name it more ominously "purge all quotes" 20:21 cait hi rangi 20:22 chris_n it sure would save time if, indeed, one wanted to do such a thing 20:22 wizzyrea what about a "select all" checkbox with the option to delete all on that page 20:23 wizzyrea and the option to view outrageous numbers at once 20:23 wizzyrea 500 or something 20:23 cait hm why not have a delete all with an alert? 20:23 chris_n I was thinking of doing an alert thing 20:23 wizzyrea an alert thing would be fine by me 20:23 cait I mean... limiting what people can do only because they can do it wrong 20:23 chris_n that's what I do when deleting a single quote 20:24 chris_n maybe a double alert? 20:24 cait feels not right to me 20:24 wizzyrea WARNING WARNING WARNING you are deleting all quotes WARNING WARNING WARNING 20:24 cait triple? quadruple? 20:24 chris_n do you really, really want to 20:24 mbalmer backquotes! 20:24 wizzyrea are you absolutely positively sure 20:24 chris_n and then "do you still want to" 20:24 mbalmer fwiw ;) 20:24 wizzyrea backflips! 20:24 wizzyrea fwiw. 20:24 cait cookies? 20:24 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies 20:24 mbalmer potatoechips! 20:26 wizzyrea what, are we talking about things we could do/eat that might eventually hurt us? 20:26 wizzyrea is this jeopardy? 20:27 cait cookies can hurt??? 20:27 mbalmer trying to avoid sleeping under bridges in edinburgh, actually. 20:27 * oleonard waves goodbye to all 20:27 chris_n bye 20:28 wizzyrea depends on your definition of hurt 20:28 mbalmer gn8 20:28 wizzyrea bye oleonard 20:34 * chris_n heads off in search of cookies... very carefully 20:36 cait heh 20:38 mbalmer hotel booked. 20:38 mveron The same... 20:39 mbalmer heh, it is your fault, mveron! 20:41 mveron Holyrood PAlace is big... 20:41 mveron You get a room in an other part of the building... 20:57 mveron Good night #koha 21:50 eythian hi 21:51 * chris_n munches a snickerdoodle 21:51 rangi yum 21:52 ronald Hiya #Koha 21:53 chris_n while waiting for the baked potatoes and chili to get done cooking 21:53 rangi hi ronald 21:54 ronald Good morning rangi:) 21:54 eythian hello ronald 21:55 ronald hey hello eythian 21:59 wizzyrea oh snickerdoodles, 21:59 wizzyrea i love those 21:59 wizzyrea my favorite simple cookie 22:00 wizzyrea there is something funny with perl include paths in ubuntu 12. will have to work that out. 22:00 wizzyrea don't think it's koha tho, I think it's ubunut. 22:00 wizzyrea ubuntu* 22:00 eythian hmm, I should probably build a 12.04 vm some time and test the packages there. 22:01 * wizzyrea will probably do that here soon. 23:06 * jcamins_away joins the Ubuntu upgrade party. 23:07 jcamins_away Well, I think I know why it's taking so long... everyone is downloading Ubuntu right now. 23:35 druthb o/ 23:36 rangi hi druthb 23:36 druthb hi, rangi! :D 23:48 rangi http://boingboing.net/2012/04/26/sneak-attack-surprise-amendme.html <-- yuck