Time Nick Message 00:14 chris_n hi eythian 02:44 rangi hi paul_p, awake early 02:44 paul_p rangi yep( 4:45AM ) 02:45 paul_p I came to publish the announcement of the release. 02:45 rangi beat ya 02:45 rangi :) 02:45 paul_p but it seems you made it already 02:46 rangi yep, had already had 46 downloads by the time i did it too 02:46 rangi everyone thought you had left for leave, so i asked if i should send an email, with your release notes 02:49 paul_p rangi the display of the announcement on the website is a quite ugly and I can't modify it. Could you give me access ? 02:49 rangi shift refresh 02:49 rangi to get the new css 02:49 rangi and no, only wizzyrea can give you access 02:50 paul_p OK, it's a little bit better 02:52 mtj hiya paul_p , congrats, well done! 02:52 paul_p hi mtj & congrats to everyone ! 02:53 rangi yeah, i can't see how I can give you access i think you have to be a superadmin for that or something 02:54 Oak kia ora #koha 02:55 rangi hi Oak 03:06 Oak hello rangi :) 03:07 * Oak going out to drop his sister at work 03:17 rangi paul_p: one other thing for 3.10, we should get in soon, is the jquery update .. so we have lots of time to shake out any bugs 03:18 rangi we are using a pretty old jquery one .. so i'd expect a few weird things 03:18 paul_p rangi = "we should get in soon" => you plan to submit a patch or hope/expect someone will do it ? 03:20 rangi theres a patch already, i think chris_n and oleonard will do it 03:21 chris_n paul_p: I plan on stirring that pot tomorrow afternoon a bit 03:21 chris_n it needs to be done asap imho 03:21 chris_n g'mornig btw 03:21 chris_n morning even 03:22 chris_n there is also a css bug which oleonard will hopefully submit a patch for 03:22 * chris_n must go to bed now 03:22 chris_n bbl 03:23 chris_n btw, congrats on the release paul_p 03:23 rangi yep congrats :) 03:43 rangi i wonder if we can get rid of yui too, that would be awesome 03:50 mtj quick Q, whats the new table-sorter in Koha called? 03:51 rangi datatable 03:51 mtj tableSorter.js ? 03:51 mtj perfect ;) 03:52 mtj ooh, looks pretty -> http://datatables.net/ 04:10 paul_p rangi = about getting rid of YUI, owen made some progress in this direction. 04:10 rangi *nod* 04:10 paul_p OK, time to switch my computer off. Bye guys, see you later ! 04:11 rangi have a good break, you deserve it 04:12 mtj cya paul, have a good one :) 04:21 mtj hmm, this page needs updating -> http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Koha 04:22 mtj does anyone from kc.org have perms to do that? 04:27 rangi No, but submit a a bug anyone can do that 04:28 rangi Only fsf can edit but anyone can submit a change request 04:30 mtj ah yep, submittng a change now :) 04:46 eythian aww, I get bug 8001 - just missed out. 04:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8001 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Add some styling to the tags to allow them to be distinctive 04:50 rangi Heh 05:08 cait good morning #koha 05:09 eythian hi cait 05:10 Oak good morning cait 05:10 Oak hello Mr. Robin 05:10 eythian hi Oak :) 05:10 Oak :) 05:11 cait hi eythian and Oak :) 05:36 vkm dear all koha users and developers congrates for new 3.8 release 05:43 vkm When live installation cd will be available? 05:43 vkm for 3.8 05:44 eythian mtj: I think you just made it worse :) 05:44 mtj heh 05:45 rangi vkm: the release team don't do that, you'd have to ask whoever it is who makes them 05:46 cait vkm: or perhaps consider installing it yourself, people can help you easier then too 05:46 * eythian hopes to make packages tomorrow 05:47 vkm how long should i wait for complete package and installation of 3.8 as i am new to koha 05:52 mtj well, obviously my brute-force technique isn't doing to well here... :) 05:53 * mtj restarts irc-client, tries again... 05:54 cait hi laurence 05:54 laurence hi cait 06:00 mtj bizarre... i'm officially blaming that on a colloquy bug 06:01 mtj but haaaay, got there in the end ;) 06:10 Judit hi 06:11 eythian hi Judit 06:24 alex_a bonjour 06:36 cait hi Judit and alex_a :) 06:48 vkm for importing should i use shelving location code in marc format against item like for book we use BK? 06:50 magnuse kia ora #koha 06:54 magnuse ooh, 8000th bug 07:01 gaetan_B hello #koha 07:11 esofiane Hello #koha 07:22 samuel hello everybody! congratulations for the new release :-) 07:32 kf good morning #koha 08:05 magnuse so how do you help out a librarian who wants to use koha, but needs to do hostinh in house because of confidential materials that should be catalogued in koha, and whose it department does not "know linux"? 08:05 kf hm 08:05 magnuse ask them to investigate running linux in a virtual machine on windows? 08:05 kf well... guess there are worse things 08:34 drojf hi #koha 08:36 kf hi drojf 08:37 drojf good morning kf 08:43 kf grrr 08:43 drojf ? 08:43 kf I am trying to change the height of anelement with jquery 08:43 kf as result of a click on something else 08:43 * magnuse hands kf a chainsaw 08:43 kf magnuse: dangerous idea 08:44 magnuse and it would only work if you wanted to redice the height, of couse 08:44 kf sadly I want to increase it 08:45 magnuse :-( 08:45 * drojf hands kf superglue 08:46 magnuse kf: how are you doing it and what happens when you do it? 08:46 kf brb 08:53 kf I want to resize an iframe 08:53 kf when I click on a link 08:54 drojf iframe… building a phishing site? "enter credit card details here" :P 08:55 kf no 08:55 kf adding our "bookstore links" to koha's catalog 08:56 kf [off] http://swb/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=312572549&INDEXSET=1 click on "Verfügbarkeit im Buchhandel prüfen" 08:56 kf ah, and it does not work for that record... of course 08:58 drojf what is "http://swb/" for people not in your network? 09:00 rangi ls -p | xargs -I {} git log -1 --format="%ai {}" "{}" | sort -r 09:00 rangi try it in a git dir 09:05 kf drojf: oh 09:05 kf let me check something 09:05 drojf kf already found it 09:06 kf wonder how I got this link 09:06 kf no idea 09:06 kf ok 09:06 kf now it works .) 09:06 drojf i get the iframe with the availability tinbg 09:06 drojf thing 09:07 kf [off] http://swb2.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=117172359&INDEXSET=1 09:07 kf yes it works there, I want to add something similar to koha 09:07 drojf ah! :) 09:18 drojf rangi: that's fancy :) 09:23 kf hah, got it working :) 09:57 kf hm 09:57 kf do we have a screenshot of the new start page somewhere? 10:00 mbalmer not a screen shot, but: http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ 10:00 kf ah great thx 10:00 mbalmer demo / demo 10:00 magnuse [off] http://libriotech.no/files/2012/intranet.png 10:01 magnuse oops, that's in norwegian :-) 10:01 kf still nice :) 10:02 mbalmer kf, you suddenly like icons?? 10:02 kf mbalmer: hmmmm... 10:03 kf mbalmer: I will leave the decision to our libraries 11:00 jcamins_away magnuse: you encourage them to hire a vendor to support the system. 11:13 magnuse jcamins_away: but they want to have confidential stuff in the records, so they are sceptical of not having it in house... 11:14 jcamins_away magnuse: they can have a self-hosted system where they're paying someone to do routine maintenance on the server. 11:16 magnuse sure, but i'm not sure i would want to be responsible for a server in their server room... 11:17 jcamins I can't seem to change my nick. 11:17 jcamins That's weird. 11:17 jcamins Nor would I, but there are vendors who do that sort of thing. 11:17 jcamins Yay! I managed to change my nick! 11:17 magnuse woohoo! 11:18 magnuse yeah, that might be a way to go 11:37 * slef mails a report to kohacon12volunteers 11:37 dgl-library Greetings #koha! 11:37 magnuse greetings dgl-library! 11:38 kf ooh :) 11:43 chris_n mtj: we use datatables as our table generator atm 11:46 mtj we, as in - Koha does? 11:46 mtj or a difference 'we' ? :) 11:47 libsysguy im getting reports of a date not showing up when patrons request a book. Is anybody else seeing this on master? 11:47 mtj biab... 11:47 chris_n mtj: we == koha 11:48 libsysguy logs? 11:48 wahanui hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 11:49 jcamins chris_n: do you have time for a quick tutorial on your release management scripts? 11:50 chris_n jcamins: I'm headed off to class atm; maybe later this morning 11:50 jcamins chris_n: okay. 11:50 chris_n be sure to bring lots of strong coffee/tea... they are not for the faint of heart ;-) 11:52 jcamins Fair enough. 11:53 drojf1 marc and/ or zebra question: when using 773/774 for analytical records, can i manage whether i get only host items, only constituent items or both in search results? i thought i read about that somwhere but can't figure it out now 11:54 jcamins drojf1: no. 11:55 jcamins drojf1: actually, what are you asking? 11:55 drojf1 jcamins: thanks. must have really dreamed that then. or misinterpreted something to my likings :D 11:55 jcamins drojf1: I just realized that I might have misunderstood your question. 11:55 jcamins Do you mean you want to do a search for only host items, or you only want the 773 and not the 774 (or vice versa) to show up in the display? 11:56 drojf1 jcamins: i have a host item and two constituent items that belong to the host item. can i specify somewhere that i find only the host item (in a regular search)? or that i find only the constituent items respectively? 11:57 jcamins Ah. 11:58 jcamins It should be possible, yes. 11:58 jcamins kf will have the details, since she wrote that code. :) 12:09 slef @query SUSHI 12:09 huginn slef: No results for "SUSHI." 12:09 slef Anyone heard of this? 12:09 hdl slef: yep 12:09 slef Standardized Usage Statistics Harvesting Initiative 12:10 magnuse made me think of http://misoproject.com/ ;-) 12:10 hdl it is a protocol to count the number of checkout and so on. 12:10 slef hdl: any tips? 12:10 hdl slef: about what ? 12:10 slef someone asking about Koha's support for it 12:10 magnuse http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi 12:11 hdl slef: it is VERY important for digital repository. 12:11 magnuse hey, the pdf is only $49.00USD! http://www.techstreet.com/standards/niso/z39_93_2007?product_id=1612225 12:11 hdl slef: I guess it is not the business of Koha to implement that. 12:12 slef magnuse: private standards :( 12:12 hdl Koha is ILS, for regular books. 12:12 magnuse slef: now there is a oxymoron 12:12 hdl erm and digital right management is not its scope. 12:14 hdl let Koha do physical checkouts, and do it good.... with open standards and APIs, And leave erm and digital assets to other softwares. 12:14 slef hdl: you write that, but more and more libraries want to integrate electronic resources into Koha's core, and to have physical item usage reported over the same systems that report electronic usage. 12:14 jcamins_away That's not entirely accurate, though. 12:15 jcamins_away SUSHI is an API for statistics. 12:15 slef jcamins_away: it looks like the initial driving use case was electronic, but yes, it looks like it is more general. 12:15 jcamins_away It's most heavily used for electronic resources, but librarians would like statistics on *everything*. 12:16 jcamins_away slef: yeah, the electronic resources librarian from Yale gave a talk about it, and she used it primarily within the context of databases, but they were trying to integrate gate count, etc., so that they could decide where to cut budgets. 12:17 hdl slef: in my opninion, Koha should first be refactored buttoms up. 12:17 hdl And then think about doing something else. 12:18 hdl But eh... it is MY opinion. 12:18 hdl at the moment, bring more code into Koha will only brings more bugs. 12:18 * libsysguy perks up at the mention of a refactor 12:18 slef hdl: not sure about you, but we can best do refactoring as part of development 12:19 libsysguy slef you mean as incremental refactors instead of doing it all at once or do you mean refactor code as bugs crop up? 12:19 slef hdl: unless you+others want to argue that any possible-maybe kohacon12 surplus should be spent buying refactoring work, rather than given to kohacon13 12:20 slef libsysguy: I mean refactor related code when people pay us to add features or fix bugs in that area. 12:20 kf I think rewriting all of koha is out of question 12:20 kf we can only do it module by module 12:20 jcamins_away kf: what, you don't have... 12:20 kf or funtion by function 12:20 slef kf: I think it would be brilliant but hard to fund. 12:20 * jcamins_away mumbles a terrifyingly large number... 12:20 kf yep 12:20 kf exactly 12:20 kf so 12:21 jcamins_away ... dollars/euros/pounds? 12:21 kf at the moment I think best is going baby steps 12:21 kf like moving more things over to the new namespace 12:21 kf getting rid of that old date handlig thing... 12:21 oleonard Hi everyone 12:21 libsysguy i think baby steps are good but I am still a little confused about what the new namespace is going to solve other than maybe some memory leaks 12:21 libsysguy which is big 12:22 libsysguy don't get me wrong 12:22 slef libsysguy: you're not alone 12:23 libsysguy but I sometimes feel the logical structure of the codebase is...well...in disarray 12:23 kf I thin the idea is to use it to separate business logic too 12:23 slef libsysguy: there's logic? and structure? ;-) 12:23 kf but.. don't ask ME for details 12:23 libsysguy heh slef my point exactly 12:23 kf not that much of a programmer yet - still working on the very basics :) 12:24 slef seriously, there's lots of logic and structure 12:24 oleonard Expecting a strictly unified logical structure from a 12 year old open source project is too much 12:24 slef but you can tell it's changed hands a few times with very different big visions 12:24 jcamins_away libsysguy: moving to a new namespace will force us to reconsider where things are done. 12:24 jcamins_away For example, SQLHelper will finally die. 12:25 libsysguy heh 12:25 jcamins_away We can replace it with a more coherent database access class. 12:26 hdl slef: you are not quite right... there are lots of logic s and that s makes all the difference. 12:26 kf hdl, slef: I think you both agree - lots of logics... only not the same everywhere :) 12:27 libsysguy i think the logic is a bit challenging to follow 12:27 libsysguy but maybe thats me 12:27 magnuse isn't the point of Koha:: that we agree on some standards and take baby steps to get our code in line with the standards and make sure the code that meets the standards is in Koha::, with the long term goal of getting rid of C4::? 12:28 jcamins_away magnuse: yes, exactly. 12:30 kf magnuse: yep, that's what I understood too 12:31 hdl magnuse: the question is should baby steps be completed and Koha Walks before you load him with other tasks or should you challenge him with other compelling tasks while those baby steps. 12:31 magnuse it has to be both at the same time 12:31 libsysguy ::Koha power walking :p 12:31 magnuse unless someone has lots of money t spend on this we can't freeze koha for 3 years while we clean the code 12:32 kf I think magnuse is right 12:32 kf we have to do it the hard way 12:32 magnuse (freeze as in not add any new features) 12:32 kf although the other would be cool... if we had a time machine 12:32 hdl well doing module by module could at least be helpful. 12:33 libsysguy technically ::Koha already contains at least one new feature already 12:33 hdl But what if you change Auth.pm and Context.pm which also needs to be refactored. 12:33 libsysguy ...hourly loans 12:33 magnuse hdl: i'm not saying it's easy, i'm saying it's the only way... ;-) 12:34 hdl I am saying, who when where, how. 12:34 magnuse hdl: us, all the time, in whatever way we see fit, one step at a time 12:35 oleonard Yay open source and everything but Gitorious has been dog slow for two days. 12:35 kf lol 12:35 kf hi oleonard 12:36 hdl see ya folks. 12:39 slef oleonard :( any news from them what the problem is? 12:39 oleonard Nothing on the blog 12:39 slef oleonard: web frontend seems snappy here 12:39 slef oleonard: is it git push/fetch being slow? 12:39 oleonard It's the web site that has been on and off for me 12:40 slef ah yes it's just slowed down for me 12:41 slef "We're having some issues with our cache, working on it!" 12:41 slef http://identi.ca/gitorious 12:42 oleonard Good to hear. Thanks slef 12:51 oleonard "3.8" is dangerously close to "4.2" I think we should expect a "5.4" any time now. 12:51 magnuse lol 12:52 slef I think Koha-with-Plack should be 5.0, with a comment about one vendor mistakenly releasing their own fork as 4.x and confusing matters. 12:53 magnuse and koha-with-solr 4.0? 13:00 slef I refuse to comment for fear that I may incriminate myself. 13:00 magnuse heh 13:02 drojf1 we could have kohacon every half year and name the releases accordingly. koha edinburgh does not sound too bad. i'd also like koha bodø or tromsø ;) 13:03 oleonard Kohacon every half year would break everyone's travel budget :( 13:03 kf what happened to the plan of koha - release chocolate chip cookie? 13:05 drojf1 put it on the list for the next icr meeting maybe? :) 13:05 drojf1 irc 13:36 * oleonard suspects he must have missed the release party, as everyone else seems to be hung over 13:38 oleonard ...or working furiously on 3.10? 13:53 clrh_ oleonard: working furiously on 3.10 of course :) 13:54 * kf waves at clrh 13:54 clrh (joking but lot of things to signoff if you don't know what to do ;)) 13:54 jcamins I am looking forward to Koha ginger-wasabi-chocolate chip cookies. 13:54 jcamins :D 13:55 jcamins http://biscuitpusher.blogspot.com/2008/08/ginger-wasabi-chocolate-chip-cookies.html 13:55 clrh don't know what does mean "doing waves" 13:55 jcamins clrh: "making waves"? 13:55 jcamins Where does it say that. 13:55 jcamins *? 13:56 clrh kf said: -15:53- * kf waves at clrh 13:56 jcamins Oh, I see. 13:57 jcamins It's a greeting. If you're far away from someone, to indicate that you see them, you wave at them. 13:57 magnuse o/ 13:57 * jcamins will see if he can find out how to call it in French. 13:57 jcamins salut? 13:58 clrh ok thanks jcamins 13:59 magnuse google translate: elle est vous saluent 13:59 clrh "hola" ? 13:59 clrh ok 13:59 kf sorry for causing confusion :) 13:59 clrh english translate of google transkate: she say hello 13:59 clrh nevermind 13:59 kf clrh: will you be in edinburgh? :) 13:59 clrh no problem 13:59 clrh I would like to yes 14:01 kf :) 14:01 kf hope it happens :) 14:02 clrh :) 14:09 * oleonard has a fresh version of his fix for Bug 4048 as soon as Gitorious stops being narcoleptic 14:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths 14:12 kf :) 14:26 * wizzyrea pokes bug 7998 14:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles 14:28 * jcamins would sign off, but I'm at a client's. 14:28 oleonard Tell them hi from us jcamins 14:28 jcamins oleonard: I will. 14:30 slef heh 14:34 chris_n jcamins: I'm back... been afk most of the morning, sorry 14:34 jcamins chris_n: 'sok. 14:34 chris_n oleonard: does wizzyrea's bug include the issue we discussed yesterday? 14:34 chris_n or should I add it? 14:35 wizzyrea what was the issue? 14:35 oleonard I don't know 14:35 wizzyrea cuzn I can tell you >.> 14:35 oleonard Hush wizzyrea we're talking! 14:35 * wizzyrea makes puppy dog face 14:35 chris_n wizzyrea: the cart icon causes the top bar to expand vertically into ugliness 14:35 oleonard So anyway chris_n, there may be no way to ever know. 14:35 wizzyrea no, it doesn't address that. :P 14:36 wizzyrea firefox? 14:36 wahanui rumour has it firefox is so much better for maximep's use case of opening hundreds of tabs in tab groups. Chrome couldn't do that 14:36 oleonard Chrome 14:36 chris_n is 7998 an appropriate location for that complaint? 14:36 wizzyrea sure 14:36 chris_n k 14:37 oleonard My firefox heard wahanui talking about it and crashed from surprise 14:37 * chris_n hands out mint m&m's 14:37 wizzyrea one thing that might be controversial 14:37 wizzyrea in that patch of mine 14:37 wizzyrea is the colors of the menus - I thought they were too blah being grey 14:37 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/1O6xwDOb0 14:38 jcamins More controversial than the background image? 14:38 wizzyrea and hover blue 14:38 wizzyrea so I switched them, hover grey, blue all the time. 14:38 wizzyrea now, the hover color I think could probably be changed 14:38 wizzyrea but the blue tabs look SO much better imo 14:39 wizzyrea makes the white active tab stand out more. 14:39 * chris_n dutifully add his comment to 7998 14:40 wizzyrea thanks chris_n 14:40 wizzyrea this happens when there's stuff in the cart? 14:40 chris_n now... to sign off on the jQuery upgrade 14:40 * oleonard cheers chris_n 14:40 wizzyrea oh I see 14:40 chris_n wizzyrea: I did not test that, but oleonard may have 14:40 wizzyrea wait, no I don't 14:41 wizzyrea because mine's not broken - maybe because my window is wider/ 14:41 wizzyrea ? 14:41 chris_n you must have a huge monitor ;-) 14:41 wizzyrea but it does wrap when there's stuff in the cart 14:41 wizzyrea is that what you mean? 14:41 chris_n yes 14:41 chris_n that's ugly 14:41 wizzyrea yes, ok. ez enuf to fix. 14:41 * oleonard didn't think it depended on the monitor size 14:41 chris_n it causes the screen to bounce 14:41 wizzyrea no, it doesn't 14:41 * wizzyrea doesn't observe bouncing 14:41 chris_n maybe not so ez 14:42 chris_n as oleonard mentioned, translations may result in differing widths 14:42 wizzyrea i had that same problem when adding stuff to the intranetnav 14:42 wizzyrea in previous versions 14:42 chris_n cart in foo-bar, may have 24 letters 14:42 kf1 liz: i like the tabs 14:42 wizzyrea I \o/ 14:42 kf1 :) 14:42 chris_n kf clones? 14:43 wizzyrea the hover color could be a darker color, idk. 14:43 * chris_n gets out the list of extra work 14:43 kf1 it's a bit darker now I think? 14:43 kf1 in the recent version? 14:43 wizzyrea there isn't a darker color in this color scheme yet :( 14:43 kf1 hm the screenshots I got from magnuse installation today looked darker to me 14:43 kf1 than the colors in your scheme 14:44 wizzyrea mine are the ones in master 14:44 wizzyrea same as his 14:44 wizzyrea difference in screen? 14:44 wizzyrea or capture tool? 14:44 kf1 hm not sure 14:44 kf1 perhaps? 14:44 wizzyrea I didn't actually change any of the colors, only used ones that were there 14:45 * chris_n does 'git bz apply 5184' and holds his breath 14:45 * wizzyrea looks east for signs of nuclear pressure waves coming this way 14:46 * oleonard would report them if they passed by on their way to wizzyrea 14:46 wizzyrea thanks oleonard, you're a good friend. :) 14:47 chris_n .oO.... POOF! 14:47 * chris_n blows away a little smoke 14:48 * oleonard is unable to add a new patron attribute type 14:49 wizzyrea urg 14:49 chris_n oleonard: is it safe to assume that most of the upgrade bugs would be in cataloguing [sic] 14:50 oleonard I don't think it's safe to assume that 14:50 * chris_n hates the thought of not knowing exactly where a bug may crawl out of next :) 14:51 jcamins chris_n: that's how I feel about search-related code. 14:51 * chris_n looks around for his aardvark 14:52 chris_n cool.. a tag editor 14:52 chris_n is that new or did I miss something 14:52 jcamins chris_n: don't you run master? 14:52 * wizzyrea recalls oleonard spending many hours mucking about in tags 14:52 chris_n lol 14:52 chris_n the new look provides nice eye-relief 14:53 wizzyrea he'd come up for air, grizzled, covered in tags like "pseudoscience" and "paleontology" 14:53 jcamins Hey, speaking of statistics, do people track which links people follow *out* of the catalogs? 14:53 wizzyrea yea, it's not so stark 14:53 * wizzyrea uses piwik to see that 14:53 jcamins wizzyrea: let me rephrase. 14:53 * chris_n can't wait until we progress to the "sculpted" look 14:54 wizzyrea I can't wait until we talk about the table styling. 14:54 jcamins Is that one of the statistics that you are actually interested in, or is that just a by-product of using web analytics? 14:54 chris_n +1 14:54 jcamins +1 14:54 chris_n scrolling tables 14:54 wizzyrea it's a by-product of using web analytics 14:54 wizzyrea but an interesting one 14:54 jcamins Nuking the cataloguing editor from orbit. 14:54 chris_n drag-n-drop marc imports 14:54 * wizzyrea faints 14:55 wizzyrea y'all are giving me the vapors. 14:55 wizzyrea or, I need the vapors/ 14:55 wizzyrea or something. 14:55 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm thinking about usage statistics for electronic resources. 14:55 wizzyrea sure, piwik could tell you about that 14:55 jcamins Yeah, it's easy to get from piwik. 14:56 jcamins The question I'm trying to get at is whether it's useful enough to integrate some sort of circ statistics for electronic resource records. 14:56 oleonard "patron-attr-types.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'category_code' cannot be null at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Members/AttributeTypes.pm line 220" 14:56 jcamins Like, I have all of PG in my demo. 14:57 jcamins A library might think "gee, that'd be useful." 14:57 jcamins A gazillion free classic (and not-so-classic) texts. 14:57 jcamins But there's no circ data, obviously. 14:57 wizzyrea right. 14:57 gaetan_B bye ! 14:58 chris_n oleonard: on master? 14:58 jcamins For me, web analytics works just fine, because that's something I have anyway. 14:58 chris_n over sample data? 14:58 jcamins For you, too. 14:58 oleonard chris_n: on master, yes 14:58 jcamins But what if a library doesn't have the expertise to manage web analytics? 14:58 jcamins Is the information useful enough to be worth capturing? 14:59 wizzyrea well short of building in a limited version of web analytics to koha (because that's really what you're doing) how would you track that? 14:59 chris_n oleonard: ouch 14:59 wizzyrea ok, personally 14:59 wizzyrea I don't think that using (the dreaded) google analytics is too hard for anybody. 14:59 chris_n oleonard: well a spin through adding/editing bibs and adding/editing items does not show up any obvious js errors 15:00 oleonard Cool 15:00 wizzyrea setting up their own server with piwik is only marginally harder 15:00 wizzyrea libraries are getting smarter, not dumber. 15:00 wizzyrea the worst thing about piwik is having to have a certificate if you want to track traffic from a secured website. 15:01 jcamins wizzyrea: well, yeah, it'd be an exceedingly limited web analytics thing, but basically you proxy links for electronic records at the XSLT-level, and have the system record the circs. 15:01 jcamins If there's logged-in user, you get the patron type. 15:01 jcamins If not, you don't. 15:02 oleonard Ah, interesting. updatedatabase.pl correctly alters borrower_attribute_types to allow category_code to be null, but kohastructure.sql doesn't 15:02 oleonard So I'm noticing the bug because my installation isn't very old 15:03 jcamins I actually thought of this specifically for the analytics use case, where you're using a public DOI resolver or pubmed. 15:03 jcamins It may be that the question is moot for public libraries, but it would be useful to me, as a medical school library administrator to know that my faculty were not using the catalog at all. 15:04 wizzyrea well sure 15:05 jcamins (we already know the faculty aren't actually coming to the library, but if a lot of research is done in non-authenticated databases, we have practically no information about what they *are* doing) 15:07 jcamins What I'm wondering is whether this is information that other people find interesting, or whether it's just an "oh, that's nice" bit of trivia. 15:08 wizzyrea i'm sure that someone wants to know about that 15:08 wizzyrea metrics are helpful when asking for money. 15:10 oleonard It would certainly help justify the effort of adding something like Gutenberg records 15:11 oleonard Bug 8002 15:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8002 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Can't add patron attribute type in newer installation 15:11 oleonard Aw man I missed Bug 8000? 15:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Test mode for notices 15:12 * wizzyrea looks around 15:12 oleonard Bug 7000 15:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results 15:12 oleonard Bug 6000 15:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6000 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Patch doesn't apply , Performance enhancements for C4::Context and C4::Languages 15:12 oleonard Bug 5000 15:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5000 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Uncertain prices misses option to choose display language 15:12 oleonard Bug 4000 15:12 wahanui i think Bug 4000 is a great example of an old acq bug that just hasn't gotten any attention 15:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets 15:12 oleonard Still true wahanui 15:13 kf1 oleonard: good catch and ouch 15:22 wizzyrea hi hdl 15:23 hdl hi wizzyrea 15:25 gmcharlt hi hdl 15:26 chris_n bug 5184 15:26 wahanui bug 5184 is related 15:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Upgrade jQuery to the latest version 15:27 chris_n oleonard, paul_p ^^ 15:27 chris_n bug 5184 is the priority 15:27 chris_n bug 5184? 15:27 wahanui bug 5184 is related 15:27 chris_n wahanui: forget bug 5184 15:27 wahanui chris_n: I forgot bug 5184 15:27 chris_n bug 5184 is the priority 15:27 chris_n bug 5184? 15:27 wahanui i think bug 5184 is the priority 15:27 chris_n good 15:30 kf1 oleonard: I think we might need a databaseupdate for bug 8003? :( 15:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8003 was not found. 15:30 kf1 bug 8002 15:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8002 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Can't add patron attribute type in newer installation 15:30 oleonard Ah true 15:30 jcamins Yes. 15:31 jcamins kf1: KVK is driving me nuts. 15:31 kf and what I am supposed to do about it? it's not next door ;) 15:32 kf jcamins: what is it doing? 15:32 jcamins Limiting by year doesn't seem to be working with the German databases. 15:33 kf specify which databases? ;) 15:33 kf you could also start your search directly at swb ;) 15:33 jcamins BVB, GBV, and HEBIS. 15:33 kf see 15:34 jcamins I know you can't actually fix it, but someone needed to be told that it was annoying me, and you have a union catalog too. :P 15:34 hdl hi gmcharlt 15:34 kf lol 15:34 kf ok :) 15:49 oleonard Is there a procedure for correcting Bug 8003 because seriously folks I tire of hearing about it. 15:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2045 15:49 kf oleonard: I think we need an faq for that 15:49 kf like we have for zebra 15:50 kf or a better error message, but think it can have different causes? 15:50 jcamins We should fix whatever usually causes it, at least. 15:50 oleonard Why did it only start showing up recently? Surely that implies a shortcoming on our part 15:51 jcamins oleonard: a lot of the reports appear to be one person who won't tell us what version s/he is running. 15:51 wizzyrea ah, and this bug, even 15:51 wizzyrea says "unspecified" 15:52 kf yeah 15:52 kf I think asking a few questions 15:53 jcamins kyleh reported and fixed a similar bug. 15:53 kf version? marc format? ... have yu changed something in your frameworks? 15:55 oleonard Oh, and I'm conflating in my mind that one and "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" 15:58 * oleonard heads out early 15:58 oleonard Bye everyone 16:01 jcamins Wow, that is early. 16:01 jcamins Lucky. 16:03 mib_24o8vg Plan to download Koha soon to automate small private school library collection. What barcode scanners do you suggest that work with Linux OS? 16:04 wizzyrea ones that you can plug in >.> 16:04 wizzyrea but seriously, if you can scan barcodes and have them come out as text, it will work with koha 16:04 jcamins mib_24o8vg: yeah, basically any barcode scanner should work. 16:04 mib_24o8vg I am not tech savvy and saw that some barcode scanners require a Windows or Vista OS and Linux is not that right? 16:07 wizzyrea I would not buy one that says it requires windows or vista. 16:08 wizzyrea I haven't come across any that don't essentially work like keyboards. 16:08 mib_24o8vg great! 16:09 wizzyrea http://www.posguys.com/barcode-scanner_3/Honeywell-3800g_752/?src=NT&pn=3800G14-SERKIT1E 16:09 wizzyrea this is one that we have in our libraries 16:09 jcamins That's a really nice barcode scanner. I recommend it. 16:09 * wizzyrea had to go look back through the logs to find that link 16:09 jcamins barcode scanners? 16:09 wizzyrea jcamins: you've used it with linux? 16:10 jcamins wizzyrea: hmmm... I guess not directly. 16:10 jcamins I used it with a Linux VM. 16:10 wizzyrea but it's specs don't say "windows only" 16:10 jcamins But it was hooked up to a Mac. 16:10 wizzyrea pf 16:10 wizzyrea if it'll work on a mac 16:10 wizzyrea it'll work on linux 16:10 jcamins https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BarcodeReaders 16:11 wizzyrea that one we like isn't listed, but I'm pretty sure it works. 16:11 wizzyrea I should just go out and grab my laptop and see. 16:11 wizzyrea brb] 16:12 mib_24o8vg That would be great. 16:12 jcamins "Can withstand multiple 5' drops to concrete." 16:12 jcamins mib_24o8vg: make sure you get the right interface. We had one that was USB and one that was PS/2, because we had one USB computer and one PS/2 computer. 16:13 jcamins (both worked fine, but you can't hook up the PS/2 to a modern Mac, and the USB won't work on really old PCs) 16:14 jcamins (*really* old PCs) 16:14 wizzyrea right, don't buy ps2 16:14 wizzyrea if your computer is at all modern. 16:14 jcamins And if your computer requires PS/2, consider replacing the computer. 16:14 wizzyrea and by modern I mean, since the year, say, 2002 16:15 jcamins wizzyrea: we had a computer from 2003 which didn't like the USB. 16:15 wizzyrea ok, 2003 :P 16:16 wizzyrea but linux might not be that dumb. 16:16 wizzyrea I just tested our adaptus 3800g, it worked out of the box with ubuntu 11 16:16 wizzyrea just plugged it in, no drama 16:16 jcamins wizzyrea: oh, good point. 16:16 * wizzyrea goes on the hunt for a honeywell 16:17 jcamins You're right. Of course Linux would be able to properly support a USB HID. 16:17 mib_24o8vg Like no drama. I'm a volunteer at the library and not even sure what type of computer they have because we have yet to install Linux and Koha but plan to soon. As soon as someone can explain it to me. 16:17 wizzyrea the honeywell also worked out of the box with no drama 16:19 wizzyrea so, that's a sample size of 2, on ubuntu 11, that work with no drama out of the box. 16:19 slef yes, make sure it's a USB HID 16:20 slef if it requires strange drivers on mac and windows, beware 16:20 jcamins (HID = Human Interface Device) 16:20 wizzyrea yea, unfortunately, they don't put stuff like "USB HID" in the specs 16:21 wizzyrea but agreed, if it says "requires windows" I'd stay away. 16:21 slef wizzyrea: no but you can look the USB Identity codes up on various websites 16:21 wizzyrea sure 16:21 wizzyrea if the specs have the 16:21 wizzyrea them. 16:21 wizzyrea this one I'm looking at doesn't 16:21 wizzyrea (the specs, not the scanner itself) 16:22 * wizzyrea doesn't mean to be a naysayer 16:22 wizzyrea I say nay! 16:22 wizzyrea j/k 16:26 mbalmer evening. who maintains the debian packaking of Koha? 16:26 wizzyrea eythian 16:27 wizzyrea release teams? 16:27 jcamins release team? 16:27 jcamins package maintainer? 16:27 jcamins maintainer? 16:27 jcamins release maintainer? 16:27 jcamins rm? 16:27 wahanui rm is busy :) 16:27 wizzyrea release team is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams 16:27 wizzyrea release team? 16:27 wahanui release team is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams 16:27 mbalmer ok, tnx 16:28 wizzyrea he's helped by mtj 16:28 mib_24o8vg Is the RM who I would contact for help when downloading debian, the Koha? 16:29 wizzyrea nope, you'd come here. 16:32 mib_24o8vg Ok. Anyone using the new LibLime Koha version yet? I assume that will be the one I install. 16:33 wizzyrea nobody uses that 16:34 wizzyrea and we can't help you with that 16:35 jcamins mib_24o8vg: no, don't use that. 16:35 wizzyrea I think you might need to check out koha-community.org 16:35 jcamins mib_24o8vg: we only support Koha. 16:36 jcamins (and if you want extensive support, you might want to hire someone) 16:38 wizzyrea the latest version of Koha is 3.8. 16:40 mib_24o8vg Will load the 3.8 since that one has the support community. Is LibLime Koha different than Koha Library? 16:41 wizzyrea totally 16:42 kf bye all :) 16:42 wizzyrea bye kf 16:42 drojf1 bye kf :) 16:46 nengard_lunch what ever happened to that awesome dev that biblibre did to allow editing of circ & fine rules? anyone know if that is still in the works? 16:47 nengard_lunch i was looking at it at kohacon10 16:47 wizzyrea I think it failed qa 16:48 nengard_lunch any idea what bug number that was? I found the all encompassing bug, wasn't sure if that was still it 16:51 wizzyrea bug 4476 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve clarity and usability of issuing rules interface 16:52 wizzyrea no, that's not it 16:52 wizzyrea bug 5437 16:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5437 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , smart-rule improvements 16:53 wizzyrea but no patch for that. 16:53 nengard_lunch okay, thanks 16:54 wizzyrea dunno it would have been in that raft of biblibre stuff 16:59 chris_n the entire thought of error trapping needs to be re-worked in koha 16:59 chris_n heya cait 16:59 cait hi chris_n 17:00 chris_n the vast majority of errors should be trapped and intelligible messages returned to the user and informative messages logged on the back end 17:00 chris_n imho the software should rarely croak 17:00 chris_n </rant> 17:01 cait what was this rant about? 17:02 chris_n nearly useless error messages 17:02 chris_n re bug 8003 17:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2045 17:02 jcamins What are we ranting about? 17:02 jcamins Oh, yeah. 17:02 chris_n se above 17:03 jcamins Good rant. :) 17:03 jcamins I agree. 17:03 pastebot "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "RM Tool Notes" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/360 17:03 chris_n jcamins: ^^ 17:03 jcamins Woohoo! 17:03 jcamins chris_n++ 17:03 chris_n I think all of those are in the repo 17:03 jcamins Yes they are. 17:03 chris_n they "work" to varying degrees of definitions 17:03 chris_n of the word 17:04 jcamins Fair enough. 17:04 chris_n get_commits.pl has lots of potential 17:04 jcamins Is there a reason that RMaint doesn't do the Debian packages, too? 17:04 chris_n it should be preferred to cherry-pick.sh 17:05 chris_n because thus far we have not had one with the correct intelligence to handle that ;-) 17:05 JoeLib001 Will the Debian Repositories be updated to Koha 3.8? 17:05 * chris_n speaks for himself 17:05 jcamins JoeLib001: at some point, yes. 17:05 wizzyrea JoeLib001: yes, soon. They always lag a bit behind. 17:05 jcamins Oh, I know why the RMaint doesn't do it. 17:05 jcamins Because only eythian can sign the packages. 17:05 chris_n jcamins: get_commits.pl can be a bit finicky 17:06 chris_n and probably needs revisiting with the re-definition and addition of fields in bz 17:06 cait chris_n++ :) 17:06 chris_n roll_release.sh is your friend 17:06 cait jcamins++ :) 17:06 chris_n a very good friend I might add 17:07 chris_n paul_p would have had a much nice start of vacation had he had it in hand ;-) 17:07 chris_n and get_bugs.pl will save hours of time as well 17:10 jcamins At some point I'll RMaint on a server, or at least a computer that isn't my laptop, and have a cron job that automatically tries cherry-picking newly committed bug fixes to 3.6-testing, and alerts me whether they'll apply or not. 17:15 chris_n get_commits.pl is your friend 17:15 chris_n pardon the hackishness of the code 17:15 chris_n time was not my friend there :-) 17:15 jcamins :) 17:16 chris_n so many ideas, so little time 17:16 chris_n but the entire thing should be automat-ible 17:17 chris_n however the semi-dependency of order of commits presents a smallish issue 17:17 jcamins I will have a similar situation. 17:17 chris_n if a commit in a subset of commits fails, the entire subset must needs be reverted in order to continue forward 17:18 chris_n the problem compounds exponentially when we consider that the said subset of commits maybe spread over a long time period 17:18 chris_n and interspersed with various other commits which are unrelated 17:19 chris_n now, when a commit fails to apply, where have we been and where are we going? 17:20 jcamins Hopefully with two RMaints we'll be able to make some progress on solving that. 17:26 * chris_n tries to imagine an async git repo 17:26 chris_n anyway, let me know if I can help you in any way, and I'll do my best 17:29 jcamins Thanks! :) 17:30 cait wizzyrea: fennel salad for dinner tonight :) 17:31 chris_n fennel++ 17:32 smeagol Why do you have to refer to *.tmpl files in .pl scripts if Koha is using .tt (template toolkit)? 17:33 smeagol ie...my ($template, $borrowernumber, $cookie) = get_template_and_user({template_name => "tools/inventory.tmpl", 17:33 jcamins smeagol: you don't have to. In fact, ".tmpl" needs to be changed to ".tt" at some point. 17:33 jcamins smeagol: there's a shim that translates ".tmpl" to ".tt" in get_template_and_user. 17:38 smeagol ok, thanks. I figured there was some kind of reference going on, but wasn't sure where...thanks. 17:43 jcamins You should be using .tt on new files. 17:47 smeagol Right... 18:17 chris_n someone needs to walk sed down through the pl scripts and fix that 18:29 jcamins chris_n: so is the quote of the day feature ready for sign off? 18:29 jcamins Not that I can sign off right this moment. 18:46 chris_n jcamins: I'm doing some cleanup and some UI improvements 18:46 chris_n it should be ready by the end of the week 18:47 chris_n I'd love for oleonard and the UI folks from biblibre to have a look at the UI stuff as well 18:47 * chris_n is not much of a UI designer 18:48 libsysguy chris_n on the backend 18:48 libsysguy kind of has a ring to it 19:06 mveron Hi #koha 19:09 mbalmer wer wandert so spaet durch nacht und wind? es ist der veron, der den letzten patch nicht find't! 19:09 mbalmer ;) 19:10 mveron :-) 19:13 wizzyrea yum fennel 19:15 cait wizzyrea: very yum :) 19:50 * chris_n give up 19:52 jcamins chris_n: uh-oh. 19:55 chris_n trying to get datatables to apply jQuery markup and classes is not working for what ever reason 19:55 chris_n and its not monday or friday :-) 19:56 jcamins Ah. 19:56 jcamins Hm. 19:56 jcamins Bribe oleonard? 19:57 chris_n well, the docs say its a simple boolean switch 19:58 chris_n but then the gulf between the docs and reality is often quite wide 20:20 jcamins New to Koha on 3.0? Whoops. 20:24 jcamins Whoah. 20:24 jcamins Harvard++ 20:25 jcamins Harvard has released their records under CC0: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k77982&pageid=icb.page498373 20:25 jcamins Someone should load all those into a Koha installation, see what happens. :D 20:25 jcamins Someone with a much bigger hard drive than I have. 20:33 jcamins mveron: why is bug 7563 in discussion? 20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference 20:33 jcamins I don't see anyone talking about it. 20:34 mveron jcamns: Sorry, I mistaked. Seems that I have a Bug in theg and wanted to remove "Needs signoff" Shoud I put "NEW"? 20:34 mveron jcamins: Sorry, misspelled... 20:34 jcamins mveron: why don't you want it to be "needs signoff"? 20:34 jcamins You'd set it back to ASSIGNED if the patch isn't ready for signing off. 20:35 mveron jcamins: Becase I just detected a gitch in it 20:35 mveron glitch 20:35 jcamins Setting the status to "In discussion" implies that there is conflict about the functionality, and setting it to NEW implies that no one is working on it. 20:35 jcamins Okay, in that case you should set it to ASSIGNED. :) 20:35 wizzyrea ^^ 20:35 wizzyrea also, I approve of this 20:36 mveron Thanks for the advise :-) 20:36 jcamins You're very welcome. Very cool feature. :) 20:37 mveron jcamins: Oh, thanks. It works well in a prerlease version at our testsite in Basel. 20:38 wizzyrea yea, that's been a problem forever. 20:39 wizzyrea glad you found that FF plugin - I was looking for something like that but a couple of years ago when I was looking I don't think it was around 20:46 mveron wizzyrea:There seems to be a similar thing for IE but I did not find it. Hmm, I don't uese E very often, anyway... 20:46 wizzyrea meh, IE 20:46 * wizzyrea is still wondering if people who use IE just don't know that the web isn't broken. 20:46 mveron Should put my glasses... 20:47 * mveron Thiks about all the poor people who have to work with... 20:47 mveron Thinks... 20:47 wahanui thinks is, like, FF/Ubuntu problem may be because he didn't restart FF 20:58 wizzyrea forget thinks 20:58 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot thinks 21:18 mveron Good night #koha