Time Nick Message 00:00 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you'd have to ask ByWater, but if I had to guess, I'd say probably your serial subscriptions haven't been imported yet. 00:00 rangi oh? 00:00 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay. Thanks Jcamins! 00:03 jcamins rangi: yeah... does the auth_finder plugin *have* to use Zebra? 00:03 jcamins I mean, right now it does, because it does searches, but could one, in principle, pass it an authid directly? 00:03 jcamins I'm having some trouble following the blinddetail-biblio-search code to figure out what it does to get the heading inserted into the biblio record. 00:03 rangi hmm i really doubt i wrote that 00:03 jcamins Also, I can't figure out the difference between blinddetail-biblio-search and detail-biblio-search. 00:03 jcamins rangi: aww, git blame accuses you of writing the templates, at least. 00:03 rangi i dont even know what those are 00:03 rangi no 00:03 rangi i just converted them to template toolkit 00:03 eythian doing the template conversions 00:04 jcamins Oh. 00:04 rangi cjh and I did :) 00:04 jcamins That's unfortunate. 00:04 jcamins Right you are. 00:04 rangi you;d have to go back to the .tmpl version 00:04 rangi to find out who did it 00:04 jcamins doxulting? 00:04 rangi search stuff, ive never touched 00:04 eythian @later tell cait sure, just grab me some time when I'm online. 00:04 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:04 rangi in any real way 00:04 jcamins and toins. 00:04 jcamins Two names I've never seen before. 00:05 rangi toins was a student who worked at biblibre 00:05 eythian @later tell cait or email me. 00:05 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:05 rangi thats cvs days 00:05 jcamins Yeah, auth_finder has an old feel to it. 00:29 ElBrooke hola! 00:32 ElBrooke magnus++ 01:24 rangi ohh thats a good idea 01:24 rangi the pacific island koha users group thingy 02:10 jcamins Any idea how to find out how many lines have been changed by a certain set of commits, total? 02:11 rangi yup 02:11 jcamins Yay! How do I do that? 02:11 rangi diffstat 02:11 rangi like this 02:11 * rangi has to find the foo 02:12 jcamins Oh, cool! 02:12 jcamins Add --stat. 02:12 rangi yeah 02:14 rangi --summary 02:15 rangi actually numstat is what i use 02:16 rangi check this out 02:16 rangi git diff --numstat v3.06.00..HEAD 02:16 jcamins Nice! 02:17 rangi then you can use cut 02:17 rangi or awk 02:17 rangi to sum columns 02:18 jcamins Yup. I added more than 5700 lines. 02:20 rangi git diff --numstat v3.06.00..HEAD | cut -f1 | awk '{s+=$1}END{print s}' 02:20 * rangi gets carried away 02:20 jcamins Yes you do. :P 02:22 rangi heh 02:41 druthb o/ 02:50 rangi heya druthb 02:50 druthb hi, rangi! :) 03:28 jcamins How many countries does Koha have developers from? 03:29 jcamins rangi: your blog is down. 03:29 jcamins rangi: no it isn't. 03:29 rangi heh 03:29 rangi hmm i dunno even know, lots 03:30 rangi @later tell slef http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/about.html 03:30 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 03:31 jcamins Hmmm... at least... NZ, France, UK, AU, US, Mexico, Croatia, Germany, Spain, Italy, India, Norway, Poland, Hungary... 03:31 rangi yup 03:31 jcamins Okay, "more than a dozen" is accurate. :) 03:31 rangi Ukraine 03:31 jcamins Oh, yeah, there was someone from Russia, too. 03:32 rangi switzerland 03:32 rangi canada 03:32 jcamins Netherlands. 03:33 rangi hmm i think argentina too 03:33 jcamins Belgium. 03:34 rangi yep 03:34 rangi and portugal too? 03:35 jcamins Yeah, there was someone for Portugal. :) 03:35 jcamins *from 04:18 Oak kia ora #koha 04:18 druthb hi, Oak! 04:20 Oak hello druthb :) 04:23 jcamins Good night, #koha. 04:35 Amit_Gupta heya bag 04:35 druthb Hi, Amit. :) bag's probably sound asleep; he's traveling this week. 05:03 Amit_Gupta heya druthb 05:03 druthb :) 05:07 cait hi #koha 05:07 druthb hi, cait! :) 05:07 cait hi druthb 05:09 Oak Guten Morgen cait 05:10 cait hi Oak 05:15 dgl-library Hi #koha! 05:16 dgl-library I have a question about custom call-number schemes… 05:18 dgl-library Is there anyone around at the moment who might be able to help me with that? 05:45 dgl-library I guess either nobody knows about custom call-number schemes or everybody's asleep or away at the moment……… 06:13 francharb hello all 06:16 alex_a hello 06:16 wahanui que tal, alex_a 06:20 cait hi francharb and alex_a :) 06:20 francharb 0/ cait 06:22 alex_a hello cait 06:24 magnuse kia ora #koha! 06:24 marcelr hi koha 06:24 marcelr hi magnuse 06:24 magnuse hiya marcelr 06:28 cait hi marcelr and magnuse :) 06:28 cait marcelr: will you be in edinburgh? :) 06:28 marcelr hi cait 06:28 marcelr cait: yes 06:28 magnuse guten morgen cait 06:30 cait marcelr: great :) 06:30 marcelr :) 06:33 magnuse aaawww... 06:36 reiveune hello 06:36 vinod hello koha users 06:38 vinod how can i resolve search limit items availability on opac bcz it does not working in 3.6 06:48 dgl-library Hi, does anybody know which Marc field we should use for our local barcode number? 06:49 dgl-library Or does it not go in the Marc record at all, and only in the item? 06:50 magnuse yeah, barcodes go in the items 06:50 vinod 952$p 06:55 dgl-library thanks 07:00 julian_m hello 07:10 esofiane Hello #koha :) 07:11 asaurat hi! 07:15 kf good morning #koha 07:16 marcelr kf: is there a list of papers for kohacon too? i saw the hackfest papers on the wiki 07:18 samuel hi everybody! 07:19 gaetan_B good morning ! 07:19 hdl1 hi 07:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #715 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 07:38 kf marcelr: I think slef will post one soon 07:38 marcelr ok 07:38 kf it's one of his action items from the meeting yesterday and not sure I have all of them 07:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7962 - Cart missing from result lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=452b81f76990379643f16b171032a7ef7a168730> / Bug 7354: Can't edit local use system preferences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=443cd120f382607d57dd399cb37c1a9fccdeeba7> / Bug 7528 - amount subtracting 1 cent <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=51b21b1b57e5861 07:38 kf morning paul_p 07:38 paul_p 'morning kf 07:41 magnuse kia ora paul_p 07:43 paul_p kia ora magnuse. Magnus = did you have a look at sandbox 1 that is setup with bug 7979 (http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/, login test / test) ? 07:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface 07:45 magnuse paul_p: i did, but it did not look like that when i checked 07:45 magnuse now it looks very cool, though! 07:45 paul_p magnuse => shift-F5 ;-) 07:46 slef bleagh. hi all? 07:46 magnuse hi slef 07:46 kf hi slef 07:46 slef wahanui: hi all? 07:46 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. 07:49 kf slef: should abstracts go on the wiki page too? 07:50 slef kf: Ultimately they should go on the main website. Up to you whether you put them on wiki page too or for now. 07:51 magnuse paul_p: will that work on 7979 make it into 3.8? seems a pity to have to wait another 6 months for it... 07:51 paul_p magnuse = agreed ;-) Yes, I WANT that in 3.8 ! 07:51 paul_p (and Gaetan/Adrien worked *very* hard to make it for today !) 07:52 kf gaetan_B++ and asaurat++ 07:52 kf hope they do some final tweaking tho :) 07:52 kf there has been a lot of positive feedback 07:52 kf and some minor things 07:52 magnuse yeah, gaetan_B++ and asaurat++ 07:52 paul_p today, adrien will submit a new patch, with green a little bit darker & gaetan_B will write a wiki page to explain how that can be tweaked 07:52 kf paul_p: cool :) 07:52 paul_p (with intranetusercss syspref) 07:53 kf paul_p: are you working on the blockers? 07:53 paul_p (and he will also fix a </a> that should not be there = look at the code, in FF, you'll see a red </a> in circulation button) 07:53 kf paul_p: not a lot of time left and I think we still need to do some serious testing :( 07:53 paul_p kf yep, in a few minuts, once i'm done with this discussion 07:55 slef paul_p: code is frozen over the weekend? 07:56 paul_p slef yep (my wife is 40 this week-end, so I won't push anything). And i'm supposed to be in holiday next week, so i'll release on monday, but don't plan to push anything more 07:56 slef huginn: did bug 1577 make it? It's very small but useful for non-English 07:56 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 07:56 slef huginn: bug 1577 07:56 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , installer and language 07:57 slef guess not :( 07:57 slef any blockers left to attack? 07:57 * slef asks bugs 07:58 slef hrm 07:58 kf slef: lots of bugs left I fear 07:58 slef I thought there was a quick link in the footer, but there aren't any 07:58 marcelr slef, kf: submitted some ideas for papers (in absence of a list ;) just let me know what you think 07:59 * slef uses the reports system to get one 07:59 slef 4 blockers 07:59 slef bug 7975 07:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7975 blocker, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't use patron import 07:59 kf needs a revert 07:59 slef bug 6931 07:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , hardcoded insert incompatible with UNIMARC 07:59 slef bug 7742 07:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7742 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , can't run overdue with fines report 07:59 slef bug 6875 07:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6875 blocker, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , de-nesting C4 packages 08:00 kf 6931 was filed as blocker, but never solved 08:00 kf it's old 08:00 slef kf: 7975 needs a revert? 08:00 kf yeah 08:00 kf someone removed a function that patron import needs 08:01 kf rangi did a git bisect and found it - the commit needs to be reverted and it shoudl work again then 08:01 * slef reads the BTS 08:01 slef actually, I'll look at that in 10 08:01 slef seems like a simple patch to do 08:02 kf hm there is also 08:02 kf bug 1807 08:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1807 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Failed QA , ':' character blocks search ; search () give odd results 08:02 kf and I think we should fix 7855 08:02 kf bug 7855 08:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7855 major, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, Failed QA , Bug 7263 does not include maxlength field sets into a fresh install 08:03 kf paul_p: I woudl ask you to push the not so nice fix and promise to work on marc21 templates for the next release 08:03 kf paul_p: there are other bugs that will require some work on all frameworks, this could be tackled all together 08:04 kf paul_p: it will take lots of time to redo all templates in all languages - this is a fix that will not stop us from getting inconsistent 08:04 * magnuse added maxlength to the normarc frameworks 08:04 kf magnuse: and your patch got pushed? 08:04 magnuse kf: yup 08:05 magnuse kf: "will not stop us" or "will stop us"? 08:05 kf will stop us 08:05 magnuse and did you mean templates? or framework sql files? 08:06 kf framework sql files 08:06 magnuse :-) 08:06 kf hi mveron 08:06 mveron hi kf 08:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #715: UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/715/ 08:24 jenkins_koha * ian.walls: Bug 7016 Followup: Add new GetItemnumberForBiblio subroutine 08:24 jenkins_koha * gmc: bug 7016 further followup: clarify return of GetItemnumbersForBiblio 08:24 jenkins_koha * koha.sekjal: Bug 5374 [SIGNED-OFF] Followup: adds conditional check to unit test for late orders 08:24 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5347: Followup: FIX 2 bugs in lateorders 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7016 blocker, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , CanBookBeReserved uses GetItemsInfo unnecessarily 08:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7958 - Batch Item Delete Fails 08:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7927 - library not showing on subscription full history anymore 08:24 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 7528 - amount subtracting 1 cent 08:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7354: Can't edit local use system preferences 08:24 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7962 - Cart missing from result lists 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5374 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Update date/time last transaction (MARC 005) when saving biblio record 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , late order management 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7958 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Batch Item Delete Fails 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7927 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , library not showing on subscription full history anymore 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7528 critical, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, Pushed to Master , amount subtracting 1 cent 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7354 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Can't edit local use system preferences 08:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7962 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cart missing from result lists 08:32 magnuse what made jenkins unhappy now? 08:35 magnuse "Table 'koha.ratings' doesn't exist"? 08:37 kf mveron: perhaps you want to change your git setting a bit - so it shows your full name on commits? 08:37 kf magnuse: perhaps he needs a database update? 08:37 magnuse or it's this: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/lastCompletedBuild/testReport/ 08:38 mveron kf: Ok, need advise... 08:38 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Fill_some_parameters :) 08:38 kf I think it's the setting for user.name 08:39 dgl-library Hi everyone, which MARC field is used for paperback/hardcover/pamphlet etc? Would that be 007 PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION FIXED FIELD--GENERAL INFORMATION? 08:39 rangi It's likely a db update needed 08:39 rangi I'll do it when I get home 08:41 mveron kf: Thanks, done. Hope it takes the é in my last name. 08:41 kf :) 08:41 mveron I found a strange behaviour with rental charges 08:41 mveron The very first time I checkout an item (with rental charge on item type) to a patron, the charge is not applied 08:41 mveron The second and third items are charged as appropriate 08:41 mveron So I have 3 checkouts but 2 charges only. 08:41 mveron Can anybody confirm? Known Bug? 08:42 kf not a known but 08:42 kf but sure sounds like a bug 08:42 kf perhaps open a bug report? 08:42 kf and make it a high priority 08:42 kf I thik people will not like that ot be broken at all 08:43 mveron kf: OK, will do 08:44 drojf hi #koha 08:45 kf hi drojf 08:46 drojf hi kf :) 08:48 slef dgl-library: I think it's 300 08:48 slef @marc 300 08:48 huginn slef: A physical description of the described item, including its extent, dimensions, and such other physical details as a description of any accompanying materials and unit type and size. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,3,6,8] 08:48 slef @marc 300 a 08:48 huginn slef: Extent The number of pages, volumes, cassettes, total playing time, etc., of the described item. (Repeatable) 08:48 slef @marc 300 b 08:48 huginn slef: Other physical details Physical characteristics such as illustrative matter, coloration, playing speed, groove characteristics, presence and kind of sound, number of channels, and motion picture presentation format. 08:48 slef bah 08:48 slef it's there somewhere 08:48 slef marc21? 08:48 wahanui somebody said marc21 was at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html 08:49 kf slef: what are you looking for 08:49 kf ? 08:49 kf @marc 084 08:49 huginn kf: A classification number from a scheme not covered by one of the other number fields. The field should not be used for classification numbers assigned from a source for which a subfield $2 source of number code would not be assigned. (Repeatable) [a,b,2,6,8] 08:49 slef mveron: what version? I'd not noticed that in recent 3.7 08:49 slef kf: <dgl-library> Hi everyone, which MARC field is used for paperback/hardcover/pamphlet etc? 08:50 mveron slef:HEAD is now at 012c6df Bug 7902 - Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables 08:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7902 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables 08:50 kf ah :) 08:51 mveron slef: Version 3.07.00.049 08:52 mveron slef: Is there already a bug report about the rental charges thing? 08:55 slef mveron: I don't know. I will retest in a bit. 08:56 mveron slef: OK, I wait with a bug report and test here somewhat more as well. 08:57 vinod when multi copy of a book is checked out opac display no items available instead of number of available and checked out version 3.6 08:57 vinod but after runing the zebra it gives right information i.e total checked out and available 08:58 vinod it it necessary to run zebra all time bcz it will take much time if the record is much 08:59 slef vinod: you mean the rebuild_zebra.pl? 09:00 slef vinod: that needs to be run frequently with the -z flag to move updates from Koha to zebra. 09:11 slef dgl-library: did you see the reply? 09:11 slef if not, see 09:11 slef log? 09:11 wahanui log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ 09:16 dgl-library slef: trying to find it 09:18 rangi BD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha.ratings' (errno: 150) at ./installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5173. 09:19 rangi foreign key constraint failing 09:19 rangi that will need to be fixed before release 09:20 mtj hmm, i'll take a look at that now.. . 09:20 * mtj waves to the herd 09:21 * magnuse waves to mtj 09:21 dgl-library slef: not sure what the answer was… marc 300 or marc 084? 09:21 dgl-library (and it would appear that huginn is a bot, right?) 09:22 magnuse dgl-library: yes, huginn is a bot 09:23 magnuse "Item floats" - that means it's currently on the shelf in another library than the one that owns it, right? 09:24 rangi mtj: it might be the test db that is making it fail 09:25 mtj hmm, can you explain that more? 09:26 dgl-library so the question was… which marc field I should use for "paperback" or "hardcover" etc. 09:26 dgl-library and whether the same field should be used for "pamphlet" etc 09:27 dgl-library if anyone knows 09:27 rangi mtj: there might be some data in the test db causing it to fail, so you might want to check you can recreate the error first 09:27 magnuse dgl-library: you could use item types 09:27 rangi and i have found the issue that is making jenkins unhappy 09:27 mtj yeah, ive spotted it to :) 09:28 mtj $DBversion = "3.07.00.XXX"; ? 09:30 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blobdiff;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=62c0e0b8adcd5137d361c6702bacd626d4c292ab;hp=08f32b89e6b730095324ecde17b5eba61349011c;hb=7eef4c8c700dc81e8ab2fd28486162ff7db35ede;hpb=f12a3cc7e7a6bf38faa4496fbc436e3cb557e021 09:30 rangi bug 5347 09:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , late order management 09:30 rangi that test on there is failing 09:31 rangi - gst 09:31 rangi + gstrate 09:32 rangi thats the change in the test, but the column is acutally gst 09:32 rangi patch on its way 09:32 dgl-library magnuse: so that's in the item and not the marc record? 09:32 mtj ah, nice one chris 09:32 rangi not ok 21 - This order has a gstrate field 09:32 rangi # Failed test 'This order has a gstrate field' 09:32 rangi # at t/db_dependent/Acquisition.t line 82. 09:32 magnuse dgl-library: yes 09:33 mtj paul_p: about? 09:33 dgl-library magnuse: I see. Thanks. 09:33 paul_p hi mtj 09:33 vinod what is -z flag and how to run it is it same as zebra 09:34 mtj paul_p: any idea on how to fix this line here... 09:35 rangi paul_p: bug 5347 has a patch to fix the failing test 09:35 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=62c0e0b8adcd5137d361c6702bacd626d4c292ab;hb=7eef4c8c700dc81e8ab2fd28486162ff7db35ede#l4934 09:35 magnuse rangi++ 09:35 paul_p rangi I was about to look at this problem, rangi++ 09:35 mtj DBversion = "3.07.00.XXX" needs to be replaced with a version number 09:37 mtj paul, w could give the 'rating' update the version of 3.07.00.048 ? (current number is 3.07.00.047 ) 09:37 paul_p mtj = I don't understand what you're talking about. in my master, i don't see any XXX. 09:37 mtj s/w/we/ 09:37 paul_p mtj = the rating IS 048 already 09:37 * paul_p tries to understand... 09:38 rangi mtj: nope its not that 09:38 paul_p mtj http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=6e7ca1b5ccb8ec85d61769fff1b5bbb6cc50ea5d;hb=HEAD 09:38 mtj hmm 1 tic, i check again.. :/ 09:39 rangi its .048 in master 09:39 vinod what is -z flag and how to run it is it same as zebra please help 09:39 rangi but when i ran updatedatabase on the jenkins server 09:39 rangi i got a 150 error, which is mysql complaining about foreign keys 09:40 vinod is it any short cut which updates the index in a minimum time rather than runing zebra as a whole which takes much time 09:40 mtj hmm line 4934 09:40 rangi ERROR 1005 (HY000): Can't create table 'koha.ratings' (errno: 150) 09:41 magnuse mtj: could you be looking at the wrong version of updatedatabase.pl` 09:41 magnuse ? 09:41 mtj http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl;h=62c0e0b8adcd5137d361c6702bacd626d4c292ab;hb=7eef4c8c700dc81e8ab2fd28486162ff7db35ede#l4934 09:41 rangi yeah cos in master its line 5170 09:41 mtj i might ned a slap here... but it looks wrong to me?! 09:41 rangi wrong commit 09:43 rangi http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3de47f3f9021a00c1122f1a191c193e92d9755a9 09:43 magnuse mtj: http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl#l5171 09:43 rangi its always best to check out master and look at it 09:43 rangi gitweb is cool and all, but yuo can be looking at the totally wrong thing 09:43 rangi by accident 09:43 rangi i can confirm the error is not aht it doesnt run 09:44 rangi but that 1 of the foreign key constraints is failing 09:44 rangi either borrowers or biblio 09:44 rangi ill now try to find out which 09:44 vinod how to remove Limit to currently available items from opac bcz it is not working 09:45 mtj oups sorry - i've got the flu, so more stupid than usual , etc 09:45 vinod please tell me how to remove Limit to currently available items from opac bcz it is not working and gives no result in version 3.6 what to do??? 09:47 rangi mtj: both in fact, but now to figure out why 09:47 mtj vinod: try editing the opac template file? to remove the check-box? 09:48 rangi does someone have a db they can test this on please? 09:48 dgl-library magnuse: so you mean item field Y, Koha Item Type? seems like this is something more often found in MARC records, though, isn't it? 09:48 marcelr mtj: is there a problem with koha.ratings in kohastructure.sql? 09:49 rangi CREATE TABLE ratings ( borrowernumber int(11) NOT NULL, biblionumber int(11) NOT NULL, rating_value tinyint(1) NOT NULL, timestamp timestamp NOT NULL default CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, PRIMARY KEY (borrowernumber,biblionumber), CONSTRAINT ratings_ibfk_1 FOREIGN KEY (borrowernumber) REFERENCES borrowers (borrowernumber) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE, CONSTRAINT ratings_ibfk_2 FOREIGN KEY (biblionumber) REFERENCES biblio (biblionumber) ON DEL 09:49 marcelr what about timestamp timestamp ?? 09:49 marcelr reserved word? 09:49 magnuse dgl-library: different systems handle it differently, i think 09:49 rangi yeah, doesnt seem to care tho 09:49 marcelr without backtics 09:49 rangi ie if i take out the constraints its fine 09:49 rangi makes the table 09:49 marcelr ok 09:50 rangi its failing on the foreign keys 09:50 rangi but im not sure why 09:52 marcelr insert into ratings (borrowernumber,biblionumber,rating_value) values (1,100,1); works for me in master 09:53 slef rangi: up for reviewing another paper? 09:53 marcelr slef: did you get my idea? 09:54 rangi marcelr: its the table create failing for me, that sql i pasted above 09:54 slef marcelr: yes 09:55 rangi slef: yep 09:55 marcelr i ran the update and the table exists 09:55 marcelr with two constraints 09:55 rangi yep, but on jenkins it fails 09:55 marcelr ok 09:55 rangi so under some conditions 09:55 rangi it fails 09:56 marcelr test data? 09:56 rangi i have 51 borrowers and 21 borrowes 09:56 marcelr invalid biblio or something? 09:56 rangi shouldnt be possible 09:56 rangi its primary key 09:56 paul_p rangi = when does it fail ? when you load kohastructure ? 09:57 mtj it worked for me too ?! 09:57 * paul_p don't understand what's going wrong 09:57 pastebot "mtj" at 115.188.221.193 pasted "moof" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/351 09:57 rangi when i run updatedatabase.pl 09:57 rangi or when i paste that sql in 09:57 dgl-library magnuse: thanks. what about keywords? I've been looking in the koha manual but I don't quite understand. if I have a book and I want to add many descriptive keywords, so that people can find the book via those keywords, where do I add those? 09:57 rangi with error 150 09:58 mtj updatebase.pl create a 'ratings' table successfully with 2 fkeys 09:58 rangi all borrowernumbers are unique, all biblionumbers are unique 09:58 rangi and you have some borrowers and some biblio? 09:58 paul_p rangi = have you checked biblionumber & borrowernumbers are INT(11) ? 09:59 paul_p because the constraint can fail just because the fields don't have the same type exactly 09:59 paul_p (and iirc, the error message is poor) 09:59 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5347' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6eb021ab0e113e2b6b897c89475f1eadc7a2c15b> / Bug 5347 Follow up, fix for broken test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d83a71d8e61fa8ef8a165f903d37efbc1bcb873d> / Bug 7726: explanation and options that were in the wrong order <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=com 09:59 rangi yep, both int(11) 09:59 magnuse dgl-library: that would be the 6xx fields in the bibliographic record - you can add as many as you want 09:59 mveron slef: update to the rental charge glitch: If I change item-level_itypes to biblio record it behaves as expected. 10:00 kf mveron: uh 10:00 kf mveron: not good 10:00 slef updated http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule 10:00 slef stole kf's work :) 10:01 kf tss :) 10:01 kf perhaps you soudl change the table heading then :) 10:02 slef ho ho 10:02 * slef bugfixes that 10:03 kf slef: do you have a better term for 'group reports' ? 10:04 kf slef: chris h/mix ? 10:04 dgl-library @marc 000 10:04 huginn dgl-library: unknown tag 000 10:04 kf slef: your list cuts of some titles I fear 10:04 rangi mixed audience im guessing 10:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #716 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #714 5 days 18 hr ago) 10:05 dgl-library Does anyone know what to add for Marc 000 in records we create ourselves? 10:05 slef kf: for sure. Some people wrote essays in there. 10:06 slef kf: rangi reviewed a great abstract for a 20 minute talk. He suspected reading the abstract out + questions = 20 minutes. 10:06 slef @marc leader 10:06 huginn slef: unknown tag leader 10:06 slef @marc ldr 10:06 huginn slef: unknown tag ldr 10:06 slef huginn: you suck 10:06 kf slef: your list is confusing me :) 10:06 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 10:07 slef kf: it confuses me too :) 10:07 kf slef: not sure that helps my confusion :) 10:07 rangi heh 10:07 slef kf: what's confusing you? 10:08 kf the abbreviations, the cut off titles 10:08 kf and that osmetimes there is a name and sometimes not 10:11 kf slef: USING KOHA TO IMPROVE SERVICE DELIVERY IN THE EN - makes not much sense .) 10:13 rangi I ACCIDENTALLY THE WHOLE ABSTRACT 10:14 slef kf: hrm. Let me find the rest of that one :) 10:14 slef kf: I don't want to put names for people that we may reject 10:14 rangi heh, i know who wrote this one 10:14 kf slef: that' sok for me 10:14 paul_p rangi= can you remind me the talk you've submitted for KohaCon ? 10:14 kf only the list is really a bit shortened right nwo :) 10:14 kf paul_p: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule 10:14 dgl-library magnuse: thank you! 10:15 rangi its all about the people 10:15 rangi paul_p: thats my one 10:15 mtj ... good to see are still submitting papers for KOHA, too 10:15 mtj ... good to see people are still submitting papers for KOHA, too 10:15 slef mtj: ENoNoun 10:15 slef KOHA :) 10:16 slef Killed Off Hardworking Anarchy 10:16 dgl-library @marc 600 10:16 huginn dgl-library: A subject added entry in which the entry element is a personal name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,x,y,z,2,3,4,6,8] 10:16 slef Koksukkers Owned the Happy Archives 10:16 mtj (should be quite a topical topic for KOHACon12) 10:17 mtj heh, thats pretty good :) 10:17 kf slef: my coworkers came up with one too: Katrin ohne Ha 10:18 slef Haar? 10:18 kf because I hate people spelling me Kathrin 10:18 slef oic 10:18 slef can anyone remember if they reviewed the portuguese talk? 10:19 kf I think I did 10:19 mtj although... 'killed off' might be a little premature :) 10:19 rangi not me 10:20 slef mtj: as far as they're concerned. 10:21 slef kf: did you suggest a comparison of Koha and other ILSes unicode handling? 10:22 slef there are five talks awaiting review. Could we review them here right now? 10:22 kf slef: that doesn't sound familiar 10:23 slef kf: ok I'll check my notes instead. 10:24 kf slef: I responded to all talks you sent me 10:25 slef kf: indeed. Maybe I sent it someone else. I was being lazy, not checking my notes 10:25 kf slef: I am away for an hour now - I coudl help you later 10:26 kf or mail me more 10:26 slef my notes say it was Brooke 10:26 kf I am done with my action items :) 10:26 slef I may return here later, else I'll leave it until deadline. 10:27 rangi reviewed the EDS one slef 10:30 slef rangi: cool, thanks 10:31 slef rangi: what was my Reply-To on that? kohacon12@? 10:31 * slef loses the plot 10:31 slef no, mjr@ 10:31 * slef finds it 10:32 rangi :) 10:33 * rangi hits the hay 10:33 rangi send me anymore you want slef and ill read them in the morning 10:35 slef rangi: you'll get some tomorrow I think. I need to do some paid work now! 10:35 slef thanks 10:48 slef processed 4 registrations 10:53 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 10:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #716: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/716/ 10:53 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 7785: Remove unused function columns() which uses a MySQLism." 10:53 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7922: Fixing typo in German sample news 10:53 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7845: Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7785 trivial, P5 - low, ---, marc, ASSIGNED , Unnecessary MySQL-ism: C4::Members columns() 10:53 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7833 - unique holiday link broken 10:53 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7733 - HidePatronName not working on moredetail 10:53 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7371: Add 'cardnumber' as option for AutoEmailPrimaryAddress 10:53 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3337 - RSS link is not correct for searches without results 10:53 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7828 - On circulation home page, URL to offline circulation Firefox addon should be a hyperlink 10:53 jenkins_koha * gaetan.boisson: Bug 7693 - clear screen button misaligned 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7922 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Fixing typos and improving translations in German sample data 10:53 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7950 - Typo for preference intranetuserjs 10:53 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7726: explanation and options that were in the wrong order 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7845 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Multiple 260s don't display properly in search results 10:53 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 5347 Follow up, fix for broken test 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7833 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , unique holiday link broken 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7733 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , HidePatronName not working on moredetail 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7371 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , AutoEmailPrimaryAddress set to 'OFF' in new installs 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3337 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , RSS link is not correct 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7828 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , On circulation home page, URL to offline circulation Firefox addon should be a hyperlink 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , clear screen button misaligned 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7950 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Typo for preference intranetuserjs 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7726 trivial, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout has columns in wrong order in sysprefs.sql 10:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , late order management 11:10 magnuse woohoo! 11:17 jcamins magnuse: when I try to view detail pages on semantikoha, I get an error. 11:17 jcamins And good morning. 11:17 magnuse that could very well be 11:17 magnuse and good morning 11:18 magnuse jcamins: what's the error? 11:18 magnuse ah i see it now, only or en, not nb-NO :-) 11:19 jcamins Ah. 11:19 magnuse should work now 11:19 jcamins So I guess it's not semantikoha, it's NORMARC with the language set to en generally? 11:19 jcamins Woohoo! 11:19 jcamins magnuse++ 11:20 magnuse yay :-) 11:23 magnuse jcamins: no, it's something i messed up a bit in my installation... 11:23 jcamins Ah, good. 11:24 jcamins No need for an emergency patch, then. :) 11:25 magnuse nope, it was just a patch i applied locally that didn't quite work out 11:36 vinod is there any way to display drop down list for limiting the search by item type in first page of the search 11:37 vinod just like in simple search we have option to select search by title author etc, can we have the items type also 11:38 jcamins jquery library? 11:38 wahanui hmmm... jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 11:38 jcamins ^^ if you look there, there's an example of adding options to the search dropdown. 11:38 vinod ok thanks i will try 11:46 dgl-library LABELS… When I export a batch as PDF, it's unreadable by all my PDF reader programs. Is this functionality broken? 11:49 kf dgl-library: it hsould not be broken :( which version? and do you have unicode characters? 11:49 chris_n dgl-library: it is most likely due to an encoding issue with one of your records 11:49 kf if you open the file in a text editor, is there a readable message? 11:49 chris_n you can open the pdf in a plain text editor and see what the error is 11:49 chris_n probably a wide-char related issue 11:49 kf ah, chris_n is here :) 11:49 chris_n hi kf 11:49 chris_n :-) 11:49 kf hi chris_n :) 11:49 kf wb asaurat :) 11:49 chris_n pass the coffee please 11:49 kf @karma asaurat 11:49 huginn kf: Karma for "asaurat" has been increased 21 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 21. 11:49 kf :) 11:49 vinod what is z-flag is it different from zebra 11:51 chris_n dgl-library: if that is the case, you will have to remove the offending record from the label batch 11:51 dgl-library kf: and chris_n: you're right <h1>Software error:</h1> 11:51 dgl-library <pre>Wide character in compress at /usr/share/perl5/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819 11:51 vinod to update the issues /returned status from opac it is necessary to run zebra each time which seems difficult due to time taking with large database 11:51 dgl-library what does that mean? we have a lot of characters with diacritical marks or accents 11:52 chris_n dgl-library: that means there is at least one record you will not be able to print a label for 11:52 chris_n are you using non-latin chars? 11:52 chris_n if so, it might be hopeless 11:52 chris_n if not, it may just be an encoding-confused record 11:52 vinod please advice the short cut method so that after transaction status should be updated frequently without re building the index of whole data 11:53 chris_n ie. it was MARC-8, but claimed to be UTF-8 or some such 11:54 chris_n vinod: there is no short cut method; you'll just have to run the index script via cron every X minutes or so 11:54 dgl-library hmm… when we set up our Z39.50 servers, we weren't quite sure about the encodings, so I guessed 11:54 dgl-library could that be the problem? 11:54 chris_n dgl-library: uh-oh 11:54 chris_n yup 11:54 chris_n plus some records lie about their encoding 11:54 dgl-library there are only Latin characters, but some sanskrit diacritical marks, like: MahÄkÄÅ›yapa 11:55 dgl-library chris_n: what's the remedy… and how do I prevent this in the future? 11:55 chris_n if the encoding is correct I think most latin chars and diacriticals will print ok 11:56 chris_n dgl-library: for starters, be sure that your z39.50 servers are set to the actual encoding of the records they supply 11:56 vinod but if we run frequently and user is loged on to the opac will it effect in holding books and other option 11:56 chris_n as for fixing exiting records, I'm not sure... I have that problem with some records and have not yet been able to script up a solution :-( 11:56 jcamins vinod: you don't have any choice. That's the way the system works. 11:57 dgl-library chris_n: I used z-brary.com to find servers, but they don't list encoding. do you know any list that does? 11:57 * chris_n has yet to meet a real-time zebra :) 11:57 magnuse vinod: you need to run rebuild_zebra.pl with the -z option. -z makes sure only records that have changed are indexed each time 11:57 chris_n dgl-library: no, but someone here or on the user's list may 11:58 dgl-library chris_n: So I need to try and print every record individually until I find the culprit(s) and then re-import them from *scratch*? :( 11:58 jcamins dgl-library: unfortunately, it's hard to figure out what encoding servers use. 11:58 chris_n well.... probably for now 11:58 vinod yes it is good, where is -z option and how to run it, i know zebra option only which indexed whole data, please tell me 11:59 * chris_n needs to fix the code so that it dumps the bib number of the offending record in the error 11:59 chris_n vinod: just add '-z' to your command line params 11:59 jcamins What I do is first try utf-8, and search for records that I *know* have diacritical characters. If it works, the encoding is utf-8. If it doesn't work, I try MARC-8. 11:59 dgl-library chris_n: that would be a good feature to add 11:59 jcamins dgl-library: that was for you. 11:59 dgl-library jcamins: where do you try that? new Z39.50 searches? 12:00 jcamins dgl-library: right. 12:00 chris_n dgl-library: I'm working on a css based labels tool which will fix most of those issues 12:00 jcamins dgl-library: that won't fix existing records, of course, but at least you won't have the problem going forward. 12:00 * chris_n looks around for that bag of spare time he misplaced... ;) 12:00 dgl-library Does anyone know the encodings for Cambridge, Oxford… 12:00 * chris_n heads out to teach algebra 12:00 dgl-library chris_n: thanks and have a good day 12:01 jcamins dgl-library: I do not, no. 12:01 vinod please tell me here exact command pleae to run -z 12:01 jcamins vinod: read the instructions. It explains all this. 12:01 jcamins It's in INSTALL.debian. 12:01 jcamins documentation? 12:01 wahanui well, documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ 12:01 vinod i have installed it with live cd 3.6 12:01 jcamins ^^ you also might consider reading the documentation. 12:02 dgl-library jcamins: thanks, I'll try what you said. and I think there's some way to re-import info into an existing biblio record, isn't there? 12:02 jcamins vinod: in that case it's already set up. 12:02 vinod you r right i am new to system and simeltaneously reading lot of things 12:02 jcamins dgl-library: yes, you can overlay by viewing a record in the staff client and choosing "Replace with Z39.50" (or something like that). I don't remember exactly what it's called, but I'm sure you'll see it. :) 12:11 dgl-library jcamins: thank you — let's hope it's not too many records! 12:11 dgl-library Thanks #koha, bye all :) 12:11 jcamins dgl-library: it probably isn't. 12:11 jcamins Look for records that have diacritical characters in the title. 12:12 dgl-library jcamins: just in the title field? 12:12 jcamins It'll be a problem anywhere, but there's a reasonably good chance that any record with a diacritical character is going to have it in the title. 12:13 jcamins And if you at least fix all the ones with non-ascii titles, you'll be able to print labels. 12:13 dgl-library jcamins: If I remove the title etc from the labels and only print call numbers, will that solve the problem, at least as a workaround? 12:13 jcamins (and fix problems elsewhere as you find them) 12:13 jcamins Hmmm... I believe it will, but then you won't have titles on the labels. 12:13 jcamins I'm not 100% sure. 12:14 dgl-library is it normal to have titles on the labels? (I've never set up a library before). we were gonna just go with call numbers, though then it might be a little difficult to ID which label is for which book (not quick labeling) 12:17 jcamins dgl-library: I've never seen titles on labels, but I figured there was a reason you wanted them there. ;) 12:19 dgl-library1 ah… :) 12:19 dgl-library1 it was part of the default setup :) 12:19 dgl-library1 anyway, maybe now we're onto a simpler solution… and I'll fix the Z39.50 problem going forward 12:19 dgl-library1 whew. 12:19 dgl-library1 thanks. 12:21 dgl-library1 ciao. 13:01 kf asaurat1: I was being careful when doing the css change - perhaps it's ok to remove 13:02 asaurat1 ok, doesn't look too dangerous =) let's do so 13:02 kf :) 13:11 chris_n not_too_dangerous_changes++ :-) 13:29 * chris_n imagines datatables and jeditable replacing the current syspref editor 13:29 jcamins Woohoo! 13:30 magnuse that would be pretty! 13:31 libsysguy @random i think we need to change the name of the string freeze to the slush date :p 13:31 huginn libsysguy: Error: The command "random" is available in the Factoids and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random". 13:31 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 13:32 jcamins libsysguy: lol 13:40 mbalmer g'day (and always remove the backticks, hihi ;) 13:49 jcamins chris_n: did you add any new dependencies with the news editor? 13:49 chris_n hmm 13:50 jcamins Yep. 13:50 chris_n not that I remember... other than the jeditable libraries which should be patched in 13:50 jcamins DateTime::Format. 13:50 chris_n hmm 13:50 * chris_n thought that was in already 13:51 jcamins Hmmm... maybe it wasn't required by C4::Koha before. 13:51 chris_n I thought we had a conversation here about that last week or so 13:51 * chris_n is losing his mind, however :) 13:51 jcamins lol 13:52 jcamins Where does the quote of the day feature show up? 13:53 jcamins Do I need to set a syspref? 13:53 chris_n http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-09#i_943175 13:53 chris_n so I need to submit a patch for DateTime::Format 13:53 chris_n jcamins: in tools 13:54 chris_n opps 13:54 chris_n on the opac main page 13:54 chris_n there is a syspref under the opac section 13:54 chris_n appearance section 13:54 jcamins No, "Tools" was the answer I wanted. ;) 13:54 chris_n sorry 13:54 chris_n features section 13:54 jcamins :) 13:55 chris_n QuoteOfTheDay 13:55 chris_n I probably should hide the tool if the QOD pref is not enabled 13:55 gaetan_B anyone wants to comment on my proposal for bug 7949 ? :p 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7949 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , a different favicon for the staff client 13:56 * chris_n wonders if everyone is running to get their new chromebook yet 13:56 jcamins And you should hide the box on the OPAC if there are no quotes. 13:56 chris_n jcamins: yeah, I was testing that right now 13:56 kf gaetan_B: I have no installation to test - and can't the images from the patches 13:56 chris_n also fixing up the editor when there are no quotes to say something intelligent 13:56 jcamins @quote get 123 13:56 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 13:57 gaetan_B kf: i also attached an image to the ticket 13:57 gaetan_B in the .ico format, i guess you need to download it to see it... 13:57 gaetan_B ah no you don't :) 13:58 jcamins Hm. There's a problem with the timestamp. 13:58 jcamins It isn't set. 13:59 chris_n yes, not in the sample data 13:59 kf gaetan_B: had the wrong link :) 13:59 kf so staff is green and opac would be white? 13:59 chris_n jcamins: it is set once the quote is selected for the first time 13:59 chris_n or should be 13:59 jcamins Oh. 13:59 gaetan_B kf: yes, the idea is just to have a different one by default for the staff 14:00 kf I like the idea :) 14:00 jcamins Cool, it works! 14:00 chris_n so to summarize: 14:00 gaetan_B kf: we have sysprefs for this but i think it's cool to have a different one from the start 14:00 chris_n a. New depnd 14:00 chris_n b. fixup display when no quote 14:00 gaetan_B (i end up quite often with a handful of koha tabs open) 14:00 jcamins gaetan_B: agreed. 14:02 jcamins chris_n: yup, that's what I've found so far. 14:02 jcamins The dependency is libdatetime-format-mysql-perl. 14:06 jcamins chris_n: And I'd like to have <span>s around the quote and the source. 14:06 jcamins With ids. 14:06 jcamins :) 14:06 jcamins (in the OPAC) 14:06 chris_n jcamins: fixed the no-display when no-quotes 14:07 chris_n will add spans 14:07 jcamins And maybe the timestamp column should just be blank when it's not set? 14:07 chris_n will do... do you find that confusing? 14:08 jcamins A bit, yeah. 14:08 jcamins What about changing Timestamp to "Last shown"? 14:08 jcamins That would clarify things. 14:08 chris_n that sounds better yet 14:14 Oak later guys 14:24 datadoctor Good morning! Or should I say "good evening?" 14:24 datadoctor I'm entranced by the awesome new Koha staff interface. Very nice work! 14:25 paul_p datadoctor you can thank asaurat & gaetan_B ;-) 14:25 datadoctor I love the colorful mouseovers. Thanks asaurat and gaetan_B! 14:25 datadoctor Nice use of CSS gradients as well! 14:26 asaurat thx =) 14:27 gaetan_B merci :) 14:27 datadoctor The whole idea of a button-based menu makes this very accessible for ipad users, or touchscreen checkout. 14:28 jcamins asaurat++ # for making sure overrides will work. 14:29 jcamins chris_n: the quote of the day looks great. 14:29 jcamins (I've been poking around at it) 14:29 chris_n getting ready to push your spans now 14:29 jcamins Woohoo! 14:30 jcamins A shame we couldn't import fortune files. 14:30 jcamins ;) 14:31 chris_n you're fortune-ate to be able to do this much ;-) 14:31 jcamins lol 14:32 chris_n spans are pushed if you want to have a look now 14:32 chris_n fixing timestamp display 14:32 datadoctor Regarding the staff client, we use IntranetUserCSS to add a bottom margin of 6px to the unordered lists, to provide more visual space for the circ, acquistions and tools submenus. 14:33 datadoctor Although buttoning them out like the main staff page might be even cooler! 14:34 jcamins Okay... I deleted all the quotes to make sure the box disappeared, and now it won't come back. 14:34 chris_n hmm 14:35 chris_n I had that problem and thought my changes to the selection algo fixed it... :( 14:35 chris_n I'll try it again in a moment 14:35 jcamins wizzyrea: we're playing with chris_n's qotd feature. 14:35 jcamins It's pretty awesome. 14:36 jcamins Well, I'm playing. chris_n is working. 14:36 gaetan_B datadoctor: yes some more works needs to be done to accomodate other lists, i think we will try to adress subpages now, but it's more complicated than the homepage :-/ 14:36 wizzyrea oo yea 14:36 * jcamins likes this development methodology. 14:36 * wizzyrea is at a workshop thingie 14:36 wizzyrea thusly it's harder to test things. :/ 14:37 wizzyrea but only a little :) 14:37 chris_n jcamins: changing the timestamp column header is no problem, but removing zero timestamps will require a bit of code changes 14:37 chris_n will changing the header work as a compromise? 14:38 jcamins chris_n: yeah, that'd help. 14:38 kf chris_n: can't you use TT perhaps? 14:38 chris_n hopefully zero==never 14:38 kf to show something else when timestamp is nothing? 14:38 chris_n kf: datatables does the table generation, so that would require some complication 14:39 chris_n more-so than doing it on the back end 14:39 kf ohok 14:40 chris_n right now the data comes back as an arrayref which works nicely when we json-ize it 14:41 chris_n changing the TS field would require munging through a 2D array 14:41 chris_n which might take more than the 5 mins I have :-) 14:43 chris_n jcamins: header change pushed 14:43 chris_n adding dep now 14:44 jcamins Much better. 14:44 datadoctor QOTD? “It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious.†Alfred North Whitehead 14:46 magnuse jcamins: i'm on current master but can't find the tool to upload local images, what am i missing? 14:46 jcamins magnuse: you don't have permissions? 14:47 magnuse i'm suposed to be superlibrarian 14:47 magnuse yup 14:48 chris_n so where do I add deps for the package stuff? 14:49 jcamins chris_n: debian/control 14:49 jcamins magnuse: hmmm... 14:49 jcamins magnuse: is it enabled? 14:49 slef magnuse: tools/pictureupload.pl or tools/upload-cover-images.pl? 14:49 slef magnuse: tools/pictureupload.pl or tools/upload-cover-image.pl? (correction) 14:50 slef BFI FTW :) 14:50 slef FTW? 14:50 wahanui FTW is for the win 14:50 slef BFI? 14:50 slef BFI is Brute Force and Ignorance 14:50 jcamins It's upload-cover-image.pl that's needed. 14:51 chris_n jcamins: ok, new dep pushed; I'll double check on the no quote/add quote/no-show bug 14:51 magnuse AllowMultipleCovers = allow, LocalCoverImages = display, OPACLocalCoverImages = display 14:51 magnuse jcamins: :8080/cgi-bin/koha/tools/upload-cover-image.pl looks good 14:52 magnuse but i can't see the lnik from Home › Tools 14:52 chris_n I see the problem 14:52 magnuse or the link, for that matter :-) 14:53 jcamins magnuse: do you have local cover images enabled at all? 14:53 magnuse is there a setting apart from the ones i mentioned? 14:53 jcamins Oh, sorry, missed that message from you. 14:53 jcamins No. 14:54 jcamins Okay, looks like a permissions issue. 14:57 magnuse gah 14:58 jcamins Which is odd, because this used to work. 14:58 jcamins Didn't it? 14:58 chris_n jcamins: fixed, if you can pull and verify :-) 14:58 chris_n I think that addresses all of your suggestions/bugs? 14:58 chris_n nothing like RTD 14:59 jcamins chris_n: yeah, that fixed it. 14:59 jcamins Very nice! 15:00 magnuse jcamins: it sure worked when i signed off on it... 15:01 wizzyrea oh - wasn't there a fix for the upload progressbar 15:01 wizzyrea maybe that did it 15:01 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought I tested that, though. 15:01 wizzyrea @search progress 15:01 chris_n jcamins, wizzyrea: I had to do a force push to that branch after rebasing against master, so be warned :-) 15:01 huginn wizzyrea: There were no matching configuration variables. 15:01 jcamins It seems to be an issue with the CAN_user_tools_upload_cover_image permission. 15:02 magnuse sounds plausible 15:02 jcamins But how does a permission break? 15:03 magnuse where is it supposed to show when i'm setting privileges for a user? 15:03 magnuse under tools? 15:03 magnuse i can't seem to find it 15:03 magnuse maybe an update failed? 15:04 magnuse s/update/database update/ 15:04 slef @query progress 15:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. 15:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1971 enhancement, P3, ---, henridamien, NEW , Suggestion : Should have only one entry by title + a counter of waiting persons 15:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5670 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , Housebound Readers Module 15:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5153 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron Import tool does not show progress of upload 15:04 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5414 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , staged import dies silently if MARC::Record chokes on a too-large MARC record 15:04 slef wizzyrea: 5153? 15:04 slef and with that, I'll be back in many many hours 15:04 wizzyrea bye slef :) 15:05 wizzyrea no, srdjan fixed it 15:05 * magnuse gotta run - happy hunting! 15:05 chris_n jcamins: I can't find upload_cover_image permission in master 15:05 chris_n something must have been missed 15:05 wizzyrea lost in a merge maybe? 15:06 wizzyrea it was in there in february 15:06 wizzyrea early feb. 15:06 chris_n or ^^ 15:06 wizzyrea @query div0 15:06 huginn wizzyrea: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6372 minor, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , Batch progress bar does not check for 0 size jobs; should be in separate js too 15:06 wizzyrea there it is 15:07 jcamins CAN_user_tools_upload_local_cover_images permission. 15:07 jcamins Sorry. 15:08 * oleonard sees it 15:09 jcamins Hm. I don't seem to be finding it in the code. 15:14 asaurat bye! 15:14 oleonard Bye asaurat 15:15 julian_m hi all, i just discover serials/serials-recieve.pl page, and saw that no templates at all make a link to it. does anybody knows if this page is still used? am i missing something? 15:20 jcamins Isn't there a bug for a "did you mean"-type feature in the OPAC? 15:20 oleonard I thought so 15:21 chris_n ok 15:21 chris_n I see it: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/userpermissions.sql;h=873089a965dcdbf50d81c8eb3be4bd6ef507d1a7;hb=HEAD#l39 15:22 jcamins chris_n: that looks right to me. 15:22 jcamins I forgot that the "CAN_user_tools_" bit is added somewhere in C4. 15:23 chris_n another C4 special ;-) 15:23 jcamins So how come magnuse's installation doesn't work? 15:23 jcamins magnus_afk: do you have that permission in your database? 15:23 chris_n does his db have the permission 15:23 chris_n perhaps failed upgrade? 15:24 reiveune1 bye 15:24 gaetan_B bye #koha! 15:24 oleonard Bye gaetan_B 15:25 jcamins chris_n: yeah, that could be. 15:36 kf paul_p++ :) 15:36 paul_p ;-) 15:36 kf :) 15:37 kf paul_p: now I think I have only bug 3969 on my list .) 15:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3969 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Budget Search Doesn't Work 15:38 kf hm and a couple of bug fixes waiting for sign off .( 15:38 jcamins Can anyone find the bug for "did you mean?" suggestions? 15:38 kf :( 15:39 kf jcamins: I am searching 15:39 jcamins I found a spell checker one from PTFS, but I thought there was one about authorities. 15:40 kf jcamins: hm can't remember one for authorities 15:40 jcamins Oh, okay then. Never mind. 15:47 kf hi mveron :) - small note - don't forget to set the status to 'signed-off' after attaching the patch :) 15:48 mveron kf: Was not sure, was thinking that it should be done after the second sign-off 15:50 kf mveron: one sign-off is normally enough :) after that 'signed-off' then qa team looks at it and sets 'passed qa' (or 'failed qa') 15:52 mveron kf: Good to know, and don't know wher I had my mistake from. So 1 sign off would be enough for my age restriction thing... :-) 15:52 kf yes :) 15:53 kf I have it on my testing list, but also changes strings, so probably will go into 3.10 15:53 kf but 15:53 kf paul_p: remember to add mveron to history.txt ;) 15:54 mveron kf: Looking forward to 3.10... Can I help with the translations? 15:55 paul_p kf: done, thx for the reminder 15:55 kf mveron: anytime 15:55 kf mveron: do you have an account for translate.koha-community.org? 15:55 kf there are still > 9000 :( 15:57 mveron kf: Will ask you for the translations this evening or tomorrow, I'm testing now with the fines glitch I reported this morning 15:58 mveron paul_p: Thanks! :-) 15:59 * oleonard wonders if there's something we could do to encourage more translation help 15:59 kf hm 15:59 kf perhaps a reminder to the german transaltion list... 15:59 kf but in general I think the problem is just that it's a lot to translate 15:59 kf and it helps to know koha quite well 16:00 kf because you don't have much context - a file name at most 16:01 mveron I just spoke to the librarians in our group, they could help with the Germen translations 16:02 kf mveron: one problem we have is 16:02 kf that the help files got updated 16:02 kf afte the po files were created 16:02 kf so I waswondering 16:02 kf if it would make sense to upload a new file 16:02 kf I coudl do that tonight 16:02 kf else we will translate... and retranslate for 3.10 16:05 mveron kf:OK, just let me know when it is time to jump in. 16:07 * mveron Oh, time is running... We have to go... 16:09 tcohen hi koha, i'm testing a 3.0.6 (.src) -> 3.6.4 (.deb) migration 16:09 tcohen and get a nasty "Can't call method "delete"" ... error 16:10 tcohen after doing koha-upgrade-to-3.4 and koha-upgrade-schema 16:10 kf on which page? 16:11 tcohen login? 16:11 wahanui login is test/test, it should be written on the wiki page 16:11 tcohen staff intercafe 16:11 tcohen interface 16:11 wahanui interface is crap 16:11 tcohen i never logged in this koha instance yet 16:12 tcohen and cannot find something usefull in the logs 16:12 oleonard wahanui: forget login 16:12 wahanui oleonard: I forgot login 16:12 oleonard wahanui: login is <reply> 16:12 wahanui OK, oleonard. 16:12 oleonard wahanui: forget interface 16:12 wahanui oleonard: I forgot interface 16:15 hdl1 login 16:15 hdl1 whanui: login 16:15 hdl1 wahanui: login 16:15 wahanui hdl1: i'm not following you... 16:15 hdl1 wahanui: login ? 16:15 wahanui no idea, hdl1 16:15 hdl1 wahanui: login ? 16:15 wahanui wish i knew, hdl1 16:15 hdl1 wahanui: login ? 16:15 wahanui i don't know, hdl1 16:16 kf bye all :) 16:16 jcamins sanbox login? 16:16 jcamins sandbox login? 16:17 jcamins The sandbox login is test/test. 16:17 jcamins sandbox login? 16:17 wahanui rumour has it sandbox login is test/test 16:24 jcamins Is there any page that explains Koha's version numbering scheme? 16:25 oleonard http://opensource.califa.org/node/266 16:25 jcamins Oh, LBA has a nice blog post explaining it clearly and succinctly. 16:25 jcamins Yes, that one. :) 16:26 oleonard Steal it for the wiki maybe? The manual too? 16:29 jcamins paul_p++ 16:30 paul_p good morning jcamins 16:30 paul_p (is the ++ for the mail, the 7979 or the sandbox ?) 16:31 jcamins The mail. 16:31 wahanui the mail is not understandable 16:31 jcamins wahanui: it is too. 16:31 wahanui ...but it is <reply> or automatically added... 16:31 oleonard wahanui is a real bummer today 16:31 jcamins lol 16:34 * oleonard didn't even realize there was a generic INSTALL file always having looked for Ubuntu or debian 16:34 paul_p which is a proof that there's something wrong ;-) 16:35 * oleonard wouldn't know what instructions belonged in the generic one versus the distro-specific ones 16:36 paul_p Irma are you really here ? not sleeping yet ? or early awakening ? 16:36 * oleonard 's INSTALL pet peeve is where it is suggested that users "roll your own :-)" zebra-handling method 16:39 jcamins_away oleonard: does it really suggest that? 16:39 oleonard It suggests that they can, which I think is superfluous 16:39 oleonard http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.ubuntu;h=b9f6d1b34040ccacd41b39854bf66e91d2e55c2c;hb=HEAD#l269 16:40 jcamins_away I think that must be a joke. 16:53 paul_p bye #koha, see you tomorrow morning ! 17:00 oleonard One of the Ubuntu INSTALL files says to cpan "Storable" The other doesn't. I don't see it listed in install_misc/ubuntu.packages 17:00 oleonard Should it still be mentioned? 17:01 oleonard I don't recall having to install it manually in recent installations 17:05 JesseM @wunder 93109 17:05 huginn JesseM: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 18.1°C (10:04 AM PDT on April 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). 17:19 * oleonard doesn't care for the new dark green outline given to focused input fields in the latest iteration of Bug 7979 17:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface 17:21 * oleonard doesn't fancy talking to himself all afternoon either 17:21 * oleonard bangs some pots and pans to make some noise 17:25 * gmcharlt eases oleonard's loneliness 17:25 cait oleonard++ 17:25 cait oleonard: you don't like it? or liked the previous version better? 17:26 oleonard cait: I think I liked the previous version better 17:26 * cait offers gmcharlt and oleonard oreos 17:26 gmcharlt cait: thanks! </botsnack> 17:26 * oleonard refuses, having eaten too many today already actually 17:26 cait oleonard: I think I liked the lighter color for the focused input fields - but not for the hover on the links 17:27 oleonard gmcharlt: You seem like the kind of sharp fellow who might answer my question above about Storable 17:27 gmcharlt oleonard: shoot 17:27 oleonard One of the Ubuntu INSTALL files says to cpan "Storable" The other doesn't. I don't see it listed in install_misc/ubuntu.packages 17:27 oleonard Should it still be mentioned? 17:27 oleonard I don't recall having to install it manually in recent installations 17:29 oleonard gmcharlt: Also, what is your opinion on the idea to eliminate the .lucid INSTALL file and have only one for Ubuntu which presumes LTS version? 17:30 gmcharlt oleonard: checking re Storable 17:31 gmcharlt oleonard: Storable is provided by Ubuntu's base perl package, so no additional package is needed 17:32 cait @later tell paul_p can you consider pushing the second patch of bug 3969? witout it budget search does nothing at all - with the patch it will work. 17:32 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 17:32 cait @later tell paul_p - and changing no strings - promise :) 17:33 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 17:33 gmcharlt oleonard: re LTS, depends on who wants to maintain 17:33 gmcharlt Lucid itself is still an active LTS, just not the most recent one 17:34 * chris_n offers to take oleonard's oreos 17:35 oleonard chris_n: The problem for both of us is that I ate all of them 17:35 gmcharlt but if overall we have only the bandwidth to maintain install notes for the most current Ubuntu LTS, better do that well than to do both poorly 17:36 oleonard gmcharlt: The instructions are almost identical 17:36 oleonard The major difference is 2.4 Install DBD::mysql Perl module in INSTALL.ubuntu 17:47 Morthland How do I catalog multi-volume sets? 17:51 * cait finds some more for chris_n 17:52 * chris_n breaks out a fresh gallon of milk 17:55 Morthland Does anyone catalog multi-volume sets? 17:58 oleonard Anyone care to comment on the continued relevance (or not) of " 2.4 Install DBD::mysql Perl module" in INSTALL.ubuntu? 18:00 jcamins_away Wait, has the newest LTS been released now? 18:00 jcamins_away I thought Lucid was still the most recent LTS. 18:02 jcamins_away No, it is still the most recent LTS. 18:02 Morthland how can I check for records with no items? 18:03 jcamins_away sql reports library? 18:03 wahanui sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library 18:03 jcamins_away ^^ there's a report there to do that. 18:03 Morthland and how can I catalog multi-volume sets? 18:05 jcamins_away Morthland: that's more of a cataloging question than a Koha question. 18:05 jcamins_away You can either add multiple items to a single bibliographic record, or have one bibliographic record per volume, depending on what standard(s) you're following. 18:05 Morthland ok 18:05 jcamins_away It's up to you. Koha doesn't care. 18:06 Morthland is there any way to distinguish between differing items in koha IRC? 18:06 Morthland sorry, 18:06 Morthland Koha OPAC 18:06 Morthland ? 18:07 jcamins_away Of course. You should describe them differently. Have you read through the Koha manual? 18:07 jcamins_away Manual? 18:07 wahanui Manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 18:07 jcamins_away ^^ 18:07 datadoctor Ubuntu 12 should be out this week or next. The beta is very cool. 18:08 datadoctor Ubuntu 12 is LTS, and seems easier to install than 11, very similar though, same interface, more options for configuration. 18:08 jcamins_away datadoctor: yeah, it'll be a lot easier, I was just responding to the discussion earlier about installation documentation. 18:08 jcamins_away I am very much looking forward to upgrading my servers. 18:08 oleonard The question will remain, is it necessary to maintain two different Ubuntu INSTALL files? 18:08 jcamins_away In a few months. 18:09 jcamins_away oleonard: I think we probably need to include two in 3.8, and eliminate the second for 3.10. 18:09 datadoctor I don't think so...but I can't say for sure - the directory structure of 12 seems to be the same as 11. 18:09 cait oleonard: have you seen the template readmy? 18:09 cait readme? 18:09 oleonard jcamins_away: Why do you say that? 18:09 cait i didn't know we had something like that 18:09 cait discovered it today :) 18:10 oleonard cait: Probably at some time in the past 18:10 jcamins_away oleonard: because the current LTS support is Lucid, for which the installation process is very different than more recent versions. 18:10 jcamins_away s/support // 18:10 jcamins_away 11.10 was supposed to be LTS, but then it wasn't. :( 18:10 oleonard The Koha installation process is different? 18:11 jcamins_away Yup. 18:11 datadoctor Lucid is definitely a different structure than Pangolin. 18:11 jcamins_away It sucks. 18:12 jcamins_away (on the plus side, once you've gotten Koha installed on Lucid, any recent Debian-based distro seems easy) 18:12 oleonard Can you be specific jcamins_away? Because the two INSTALL files are not very different 18:12 jcamins_away oleonard: Lucid requires installing things from CPAN and downloading packages manually. 18:12 jcamins_away Post-Lucid, you just have to use apt. 18:13 jcamins_away In fact, post-Lucid, it works exactly the same as for Debian. 18:13 oleonard So "sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages" is incorrect for Lucid? 18:13 jcamins_away You do that, but then you do the other steps, too. 18:14 jcamins_away I'm not at my home computer so I can't look at the files, but I am suspecting maybe the instructions for Lucid are incorrect. 18:14 jcamins_away That is the only step necessary to install dependencies as of Maverick. 18:14 jcamins_away On Lucid, there are certain dependencies that can't be installed via apt-get. 18:14 jcamins_away (or dpkg) 18:17 jcamins_away I guess the Lucid instructions don't talk about installing things via CPAN? 18:17 jcamins_away (anymore) 18:17 mveron Good evening #koha 18:23 mveron If in Circulation (Chek out) I check "Forgive fines on return:" and then check in all items, nothing happens with the fines. I would expect the fines to be written off, right? 18:25 cait overdue fines? 18:25 mveron No, rental charges. 18:26 datadoctor I had some CPAN module install dependency problems with my Debian install (Squeeze), but I just re-cpanned them a couple of times, and it picked up more of the missing dependencies on each cycle. 18:27 oleonard Rental charges are based on checkout, overdue fines are based on return 18:27 oleonard So I wouldn't expect rental charges to change upon return 18:28 datadoctor I guess I mean the install script for the modules...my memory of the install is fading... 18:29 mveron Ok, understood. Then the "Forgive fines on return:" is related to the fines. I was missleaded by the tab "Fines", because it shows fines & charges 18:29 jcamins_away datadoctor: at this point, you shouldn't need to do anything with CPAN. 18:29 datadoctor Thanks, I am very happy with my current install. :) 18:30 cait mveron: perhaps we should trnaslate it to mahngevühren - if it isn't yet 18:30 datadoctor Just thinking about Precise Pangolin. I really like Ubuntu 12 LTS, but we run Debian for our Koha install. 18:30 jcamins_away datadoctor: I use Debian for development, but Ubuntu server in production because integration with AWS is better. 18:30 Morthland how do I use AWS? 18:31 jcamins_away Morthland: that's not really a Koha question. 18:31 datadoctor I'm interested...maybe a switch to Ubuntu for Koha 3.8 is in my future... 18:31 datadoctor http://www.acronymfinder.com/AWS.html 18:32 datadoctor ;) 18:32 mveron cait: Would be a good idea. And the bluish tab on the left could read "Fines, Fees & Charges" (Ausleih- und Mahngebühren?) instead of "Fines" only. 18:33 cait I think it would get too long 18:33 cait that's a problem for display then too 18:33 cait and it shows all kinds of "gebühren" 18:33 cait so perhaps for the tab it's enough to be less specific 18:34 cait it's even more than ausleih- and mahngebühren 18:34 cait rental, overdue, holds, new patron cards, copier... 18:47 mveron cait: Maybe the original English expression "Fines" in the Tab is to specific, my understanding of "Fine" is something like"Busse" (Penalty). "Gebühren" in the tab is OK. 18:48 mveron Could Gebührenerlass bei Rückgabe: read "Erlass der Mahngebühren bei Rückgabe:"? 18:48 cait of course 18:48 cait i see translation as an iterative proces... 18:48 mveron That would explain thins a little bit... For people like me :-) 18:48 cait hopefully getting better with each iteration :) 18:48 mveron Of course! 18:50 mveron Update to the fines glitch I talked about this morning: 18:50 mveron Tried to reproduce with the 3.07.00.19 installation of our Koha-Group , no problem. worked OK, 18:50 mveron then went back to my 3.07.00.049 Installation and changed item-level_itypes back to "specific item" 18:50 mveron ...and could not longer reproduce the error. Hmm, I did not dream.... 18:54 * oleonard wonders if he has fed a troll 18:55 jcamins_away oleonard: yep. 18:55 oleonard However, I agree that the new design is not as flexible as it should be 18:55 magnuse cait or someone else german-speaking: you'll want to translate line 39 here: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/de-DE/mandatory/userpermissions.sql;h=2302273e499c530514ba6a923cffc2ba4f403b34;hb=HEAD 18:56 magnuse jcamins_away: i found the root of my local image problem 18:56 cait magnuse: thx :) 18:56 magnuse the permission was not added to http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/nb-NO/1-Obligatorisk/userpermissions.sql;h=24f081e6f206c96b677776d75a5ff053976d4aa3;hb=HEAD 18:56 cait not at all? 18:56 cait oh :( 18:57 jcamins_away magnuse: oh, that would cause it. 18:58 magnuse this patch fixed a lot of the languages but not nb-NO :-) http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75eddb9cee0f598f79ec3cf81e140eaadcb405bf 18:59 magnuse i'll do a patch now and hope paul_p will push it tomorrow 19:00 cait I think he will - sample data should be ok 19:00 cait for last minute changes 19:00 cait could yo uadd a german translation for me? 19:00 jcamins_away Shouldn't the test have caught that? 19:00 cait mveron: Lokale Coverbilder heraufladen ? 19:00 cait Upload local cover images 19:01 mveron cait:Thinking about... 19:01 cait brb 19:02 cait hi drojf :) 19:02 cait and brb... 19:02 drojf hej cait :) 19:03 magnuse i'll do a translation if you give me one :-) 19:06 mveron cait: Eigene Coverbilder heraufladen ? Eigene Buchcover herauladen? (Buchcover is used e.g. in Syspref AmazonCoverImages and others) 19:08 mveron cait: Buchcover in Google 3'280'000 Hits 19:09 mveron cait: http://www.duden.de/suchen/sprachwissen/Buchcover - Duden uses Buchcover for it's covers 19:13 magnuse ok cait and mveron, i got the file open now - what's it gonna be? ;-) 19:13 cait what mveron suggested :) 19:13 cait but we wil l have tomake the translation match later on 19:14 cait i think I used coverbilder :P 19:14 cait mveron: it's for the staff permisson 19:14 cait permission 19:14 drojf eigene umschlagbilder hochladen :P 19:14 cait drojf: any vote from you? 19:14 drojf ;) 19:14 cait lol 19:14 cait I like lokal 19:14 cait becaue it's not the cover of the librarian 19:14 cait but of the library 19:14 cait but hm. 19:15 magnuse important distinction ;-) 19:15 cait compromise: lokale coverbilder heraufladen? :P 19:15 drojf do you say heraufladen in the southern states? :P 19:15 cait sometimes 19:16 drojf cute 19:16 cait depending on where you look 19:16 mveron I do not agree, because lokal has in this context not the same meaning as English local 19:16 cait lol 19:16 cait poor magnuse 19:16 drojf heh 19:16 cait ok, mveron and drojf - fight it out 19:17 drojf i dont want to fight :) way too tired 19:17 cait me too 19:17 cait so drojf - you want upload? 19:17 drojf we could try flipping a coin 19:17 cait Upload eigener Buchcover ? 19:17 drojf no 19:17 drojf hochladen 19:17 drojf lol 19:17 cait oh right 19:17 cait yeah 19:17 cait hochladen 19:17 * cait is really too tired 19:18 drojf Eigene <yourfavourite> hochladen 19:18 cait Eigene Buchcover hochladen 19:18 magnuse has it been translated for the interface? the staff .po file? 19:18 cait mveron: scared away now? :) 19:18 mveron Sorry, I can not type as fast as you all... :-) 19:18 cait magnuse: yeah it has - with Coverbilder - but that can still be fixed :) 19:19 drojf wouldnt it be "eigene buchcoverS" then? *duck* 19:19 mveron I would like to have it consistent. The other preferences use Coverbilder and Heruafladen. Hochladen would be better 19:19 cait mveron: we can fix the po files tomorrow 19:19 cait going to work on that in a few minutes - creating new files for german reflecting latest changes to master 19:20 magnuse ok, i'll need the translation in 3 19:20 magnuse 2 19:20 magnuse 1... 19:20 cait Eigene Coverbilder hochladen 19:20 magnuse done 19:20 cait lol 19:20 cait vetos? 19:20 mveron Alles klar :-) 19:21 jcamins_away Eigene Coverbilder hochladen buchcovers lokale heruafladen? 19:21 drojf lol 19:21 cait jcamins_away: sorry, you only get a vote for russian 19:21 jcamins_away cait: awww. 19:21 drojf eigene lokale buchcoverbilder hoch heraufladen 19:21 cait lol 19:21 cait rofl 19:21 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "looking for some report help - anyone around here who can help us?" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/353 19:21 * jcamins_away likes the word "heraufladen." 19:21 mveron Heruaf is a very old German word. It means the Army of Uaf :-) 19:21 jcamins_away What does it mean? 19:21 magnuse tee hee 19:21 jcamins_away Hehe. 19:22 jcamins_away I like Heruaf even better then herauf, I think. :) 19:23 jcamins_away What does "heraufladen" mean, though? I think it's a verb... 19:23 jcamins_away Something about "on-carrying"? 19:23 mveron upload 19:23 cait jcamins_away: I fear the worst - it might be my own creation 19:23 cait :P 19:23 drojf i think i would translate it as "uponloading" instead of "uploading" :) 19:23 cait better learn german from drojf and mveron 19:24 oleonard Making some subtle tweaks: http://screencast.com/t/dGmBx05Bx 19:24 jcamins_away drojf: ooh, so I almost kind of got some sense of what it meant! Yay! 19:24 drojf i actually use "herabladen" instead of "download" sometimes 19:24 libsysguy i prefer B oleonard 19:24 cait oleonard: too subtle for me? 19:24 drojf but as a joke 19:24 oleonard Wrong answer libsysguy :P 19:25 libsysguy damn 19:25 * jcamins_away doesn't understand the joke. 19:25 libsysguy sorry…i like the centered layout 19:25 jcamins_away I prefer A. 19:25 jcamins_away B looks squished on the left. 19:25 cait a? 19:25 wahanui a is not related to B in any way , it (B) is in OPAC, A is in Reports 19:26 cait lol 19:26 libsysguy did I get them backwards jcamins 19:26 libsysguy B looks like it is centered to me 19:26 cait aaw 19:26 cait nice commit message magnuse :) 19:26 libsysguy centered is win 19:26 cait - translates the text of the preference for de-DE (thanks to cait, 19:26 cait drojf and mveron for the translation) 19:26 cait ok 19:26 cait german translators :) 19:26 cait do me a favour? 19:27 cait mveron, drojf: I am looking in your direction! 19:27 mveron Was typing... Whenever I can! 19:27 magnuse ok, bug 7984 is ready for signoff now, hint hint :-) 19:27 mveron What can I do? 19:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7984 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix the upload_local_cover_images permission 19:27 cait ok, everyone grab a set of current po files for 3.8 from pootle 19:27 drojf try to write an email, just say something 19:28 cait last time I confused files and had to retranslate sysprefs again.... 19:28 cait external backup strategy this time :P 19:28 jcamins_away libsysguy: B didn't look centered to me. It looked left-justified. 19:28 jcamins_away oleonard: was I wrong about that? 19:28 cait http://translate.koha-community.org/de/38/review.html > zip of directory 19:31 mveron cait: Need some more advise 19:31 drojf i got myself 3 .po files. anything else? or just store them? 19:31 oleonard Here's another demonstration of other differences: http://screencast.com/t/KmG7CuF7J5ZW 19:31 cait drojf: just keep them safe from me for now :) 19:32 drojf sure can do :) 19:32 * libsysguy libsysguy_away 19:32 cait I am updating the files now 19:32 cait on my local installation 19:32 drojf is there no backup whatsoever in pootle? 19:32 cait to reflect changes 19:32 mveron cait: Oh, found the ZIP, had to login first 19:32 magnuse hooray for flexible "buttons" on the intranet home page! 19:32 cait I don't know - but I hope fredericd does backups :) 19:33 jcamins_away New one is *way* better. 19:33 cait yep 19:33 cait oleonard: going to submit as follow up? 19:34 oleonard Yes. I should probably set a max-width on the buttons too 19:34 cait mveron, drojf - we have some fatal errors, but can fix them before release, telling you so I don't forget :) 19:34 drojf thanks for making me part of your brain 19:34 cait oleonard: I think i would like that - so they don't grow so large... and when i hide the images I can resize them :) 19:34 cait drojf: my pleasure heh :) 19:34 drojf :) 19:34 cait ok 19:34 cait now going to upload opac 19:34 mveron cait: external drive... 19:35 mveron ...for local head 19:35 magnuse g'night #koha - have fun! 19:36 libsysguy what does rfc stand for 19:36 jcamins_away Request For Comments. 19:36 cait request for comment 19:37 libsysguy ahh 19:37 libsysguy thanks guys :) 19:37 cait ok, opac uploaded, no changes - can someone test? :) (me makes use of her new german translatoin team :P ) 19:37 cait ah 2 words in opac 19:38 cait and 17 in pref files :) 19:38 cait now the big one -s taff 19:38 cait 9760 to translate before 19:39 cait willl take a while 19:42 drojf cait: test how? 19:42 * cait cries a bit 19:42 drojf i still see three files but different values 19:42 cait we are back to 14221 now 19:43 drojf i see 12711 19:43 cait hm 19:43 cait refresh? 19:43 drojf just did 19:43 drojf thats where that number came 19:43 cait weird 19:43 drojf 3 Dateien 68584/82824 Wörter (83%) übersetzt [12711/14550 Zeichenketten] 19:44 cait ah 19:44 cait 14550 to look at 19:45 rangi Morning 19:45 cait rangi: updated german po files - over 4000 more to translate in staff :( 19:45 cait and good morning 19:46 rangi Is that all the help? 19:46 jcamins_away cait: I guess that's thanks to the help? 19:46 cait yep 19:47 rangi So much for string freeze :( 19:47 cait yep 19:47 rangi I promise to not do that for 3.8.1 19:47 cait easy 19:47 cait no help file updates for 3.8.1 in maintenance mode 19:48 jcamins_away I think there should be a feature freeze, at which point there will be time for help to be written, then string freeze. 19:48 jcamins_away cait: I won't do that for 3.6.anything, either. 19:48 rangi There was 19:48 rangi Help got submitted after the freeze 19:48 rangi :( 19:49 jcamins_away rangi: no, I meant *actual* feature and string freezes. 19:49 jcamins_away Where the flying spaghetti monster comes and gobbles you up if you try and break them. 19:50 rangi Ahh yeah 19:50 rangi I'll be more dictatorial :) 19:50 jcamins_away I'll suggest that to paul_p for 3.10. 19:50 jcamins_away rangi: and I'll be a regular martinet with 3.6.x. Y'all can consider yourself warned. 19:51 jcamins_away Actually, this shouldn't be a surprise. My proposal stated that I was going to be more-or-less entirely inflexible about additions. 19:52 cait rangi: help was started to be written after string freeze 19:52 rangi :) 19:52 cait :( 19:52 rangi Yeah 19:52 jcamins_away cait: right, that's why the flying noodle monster should gobble up anyone who has the temerity to ignore feature freeze. 19:53 jcamins_away Wait. 19:53 jcamins_away It's a flying spaghetti monster. 19:53 oleonard That's why you heard thunder jcamins_away 19:53 jcamins_away Hehe. 19:54 cait I am more for the invisible unicorn actually... i think 19:55 cait the invisible pink unicorn 19:57 rangi That's the logo for haecksen 19:57 rangi http://haecksen.net/ 19:58 rangi I love the byline too 20:00 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:00 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on April 20, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Steady). 20:02 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:02 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.7°C (10:00 PM CEST on April 19, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). 20:03 jcamins_away @wunder 11375 20:03 huginn jcamins_away: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 17.8°C (3:32 PM EDT on April 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Falling). 20:03 mveron @wunder Basel 20:03 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 8.2°C (10:02 PM CEST on April 19, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 20:04 mveron Wow 20:04 mveron @wunder Allschwil 20:04 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 8.2°C (10:02 PM CEST on April 19, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 20:04 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 20:04 jcamins_away The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland 20:04 wahanui i guess the current temperature in basel, switzerland is 8.2°C (10:02 PM CEST on April 19, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). 20:04 jcamins_away Hehe. 20:05 jcamins_away The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York? 20:06 jcamins_away Guess I already told wahanui to ignore that one. 20:11 rangi My stop bbiab 20:12 mveron Good night #koha 20:12 cait good night mveron 20:13 mveron Bye 20:15 * oleonard leaves too 20:15 cait bye oleonard :) 20:15 oleonard Bye! 20:15 SJeffery Everyone leaves as soon as I log in 20:16 jcamins_away SJeffery: well, did you come with a question about analytics? 20:17 SJeffery lol 20:17 SJeffery Maybe we should cache the analytics results and only display them when there are analytics for the item:D 20:18 SJeffery ^ I had to come up with something 20:18 jcamins_away lol 20:19 jcamins_away On the subject of analytics, Space_Librarian should submit a patch adding the 773 to the OPAC results display. rangi, I hereby delegate coaching her through that to you, since you're in her timezone. :P 20:20 mib_3byp05 im having a problem with a installation that i administer 20:20 cait jcamins_away: lol 20:20 mib_3byp05 http://lib.themico.edu.jm/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=1790 when i do that search and select the third entry i get 404 error 20:21 mib_3byp05 i did the rebuildzebra script but no help 20:22 jcamins_away mib_3byp05: your indexes are probably out of date. 20:23 jcamins_away searching faq? 20:23 wahanui i think searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 20:23 mib_3byp05 im having that problem with about 600 items 20:24 mib_3byp05 i rebuild zebraindex about 10times in the last 24hrs but no solution 20:24 mib_3byp05 perl -I/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b –w 20:24 jcamins_away mib_3byp05: did you look at the suggestions for resetting the index? 20:25 jcamins_away Also, you should be using -r not -w 20:27 mib_3byp05 running with -r currently 20:27 * jcamins_away leaves for home. 20:27 jcamins_away Good night, #koha 20:29 cait good night jcamins_away :) 20:30 rangi back 20:30 rangi jcamins_away: she shouldnt even need coaching, she is well capable :) 21:00 rangi ahh yes 21:00 rangi how to apologise while not 21:00 rangi its a skill that that guy has mastered 21:21 rangi http://grooveshark.com/#!/playlist/Friday+Morning+Wake+Up/57239977 21:25 rangi hmm new bugzilla, 4.2.1 .. with security fixes, 21:25 * rangi upgrades 21:26 rangi http://www.bugzilla.org/security/3.6.8/ 21:26 rangi http://www.bugzilla.org/releases/4.2.1/release-notes.html 21:29 rangi done 21:29 * rangi talks to himself 21:30 ibeardslee first sign of intelligence 21:30 SJeffery also insanity 21:31 gmcharlt just so long as it doesn't devolve into violent disagreement 21:31 rangi heh 21:52 jcamins_away rangi: well, excellent. Space_Librarian should submit the patch soon, because then it has a reasonably good chance of getting into 3.6.6. :) 21:53 rangi :) 21:56 jcamins mtj: :) 21:57 rangi mtj++ 21:57 jcamins mtj++ # yeah, he deserves karma 21:57 mtj yeah, just for a change... 21:57 rangi best response to a troll yet :) 21:58 ibeardslee mailing list troll? 21:58 rangi yup 21:59 jcamins I'm actually going to jQuery the cataloging button into a slider, and add direct "Add record" and "Z39.50 search" links to the main page. 21:59 rangi http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2012-April/037227.html 22:00 rangi jcamins: that'd work 22:00 jcamins If he didn't irritate me, I'd point out that it'd be easy to do. 22:00 rangi *nod* 22:00 rangi if you're a jerk, and you're right, you're still a jerk 22:00 jcamins Yup. 22:01 jcamins And having tried to be nice and forgiving last time, I'm not inclined to do it again. 22:03 mtj i last thing anyone wants to hear after working on some feature is 'um.. its nice sure.. but its now 32k bigger than it was before :/' 22:03 mtj and that 32k prolly ends up cached by your web-browser too? 22:04 jcamins As I told gaetan_B, I think the new interface is *awesome*. 22:04 jcamins My only objection remains that I want a syspref search tab integrated into the main search box. 22:05 jcamins oleonard says I can't have the search box on every window. :( 22:05 jcamins Tab, rather. 22:06 gmcharlt jcamins: then again, in theory normal users don't play with sysprefs ever day ;) 22:06 jcamins gmcharlt: well, true. 22:07 jcamins gmcharlt: but when I log into a Koha installation, I tend to be fixing misconfigurations. 22:08 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed 22:08 gmcharlt syspref search everywhere if you're a superlibrarian, perhaps? 22:08 gmcharlt we can call it the cape box 22:08 jcamins Yeah, that was wizzyrea's suggested compromise. 22:09 jcamins :) 22:09 jcamins I think this should be someone on the page if you're a superlibrarian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rebel_Alliance_logo.svg 22:10 jcamins A background image or something. 22:11 eythian jcamins: not the superman logo? 22:12 jcamins eythian: hmmmm... 22:12 jcamins No, I think the Rebel Alliance logo is more appropriate, somehow. 22:15 mtj jcamins: i think owen will back you on that point :) 22:29 rangi speaking of trolls 22:37 eythian http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc00097iz.php <-- canberra trying but failing to join the earthquake club 23:13 druthb o/ 23:13 rangi heya druthb 23:16 druthb hi, rangi! :) 23:49 rangi ibeardslee: you left yet?