Time  Nick                 Message
23:59 jcamins              rangi! You wrote this code. You're just the person I need to talk to.
23:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Anyone know why the test server won't show me "serials"? It tells me to enter a partial title or ISSN. Since I don't know what the ISSN is, I entered National Geographic. It came up with nothing at all...Do you think that the test server just doesn't have our magazines yet?
23:58 * jcamins            gazes with horror at the blinddetail-biblio-search code.
23:58 rangi                hi YoungPublicLibrarian
23:58 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello all!
23:31 BobB                 hi rangi
23:30 rangi                hi BobB and Judit
23:29 BobB                 good morning
23:28 Judit                good morning
22:29 jcamins_away         Argh! semantikoha is broken!
22:08 thd                  Morthland: Are you asking specifically in Koha or in MARC 21 or Unimarc?
22:00 Morthland            How do I catalog multi-volume sets?
21:40 magnus_afk           g'night #koha - have fun!
21:35 magnus_afk           and marc fading into the background as the historical relict it is...
21:35 rangi                *nod*
21:35 magnus_afk           it's fascinating working on it - so many opportunities opening up
21:33 rangi                :)
21:33 magnus_afk           ah, i'll have worked on it some more by then, i hope :-)
21:33 rangi                its 18 may, so a little way away
21:32 rangi                sweet as
21:31 magnus_afk           but be warned that i'm working on it, so things might break temporarily
21:30 rangi                thanks
21:30 rangi                yay!
21:30 magnus_afk           rangi: sure, show it off all you want
21:30 * magnus_afk         pokes his head in
21:21 datadoctor           Very interesting...semantikoha! Gotta go - have a great day all!
20:56 cait                 he is awesome :)
20:55 wizzyrea             holy wowie magnuse
20:55 Morthland11          How can I catalog a multi-volume set
20:53 rangi                magnus_afk: can i show that off at the nz koha users day?
20:52 cait                 magnuse++  :)
20:52 rangi                http://semantikoha.libriotech.no/cgi-bin/koha/opac-view.pl?uri=http://data.deichman.no/person/darwin_charles
20:52 rangi                magnuse++ #x 1000
20:41 Morthland11          ?
20:32 Morthland11          How do I catalog multi-volume sets
20:23 rangi                back
20:17 talljoy              lol.  on phone
20:16 libsysguy            oh well hello there talljoy :p
20:16 * talljoy            is catching up on the logs
20:16 * talljoy            is NOT a man
20:16 libsysguy            i have to make it all the way to KANSAS to escape this place :'(
20:16 * wizzyrea           is glad to be in NORTHEAST kansas.
20:16 libsysguy            i'll walk out
20:16 libsysguy            god i hope not
20:16 * wizzyrea           cringes
20:16 datadoctor           Line dancing?
20:15 libsysguy            :'(
20:15 libsysguy            no alcohol of any kind
20:15 wizzyrea             what, no moonshine?
20:15 libsysguy            southern weddings are a drag
20:14 libsysguy            I could probably avoid going to my brothers wedding if i went too :p
20:14 wizzyrea             I bet her swedish family would pay for some of her plane ticket if you promised to visit sweden too >.>
20:13 * libsysguy          could actaully afford it but his Swedish girlfriend would kill me if I went without her
20:13 rangi                Bbiab my stop
20:13 cait                 :(
20:13 libsysguy            I can't afford it this year cait :'(
20:12 * cait               offers to bring cookies and be a nice librarian
20:12 cait                 libsysguy: kohacon? :)
20:11 libsysguy            later oleonard
20:11 rangi                Cya
20:11 cait                 bye oleonard :)
20:11 * oleonard           waves
20:11 * oleonard           leaves the gentle shelter of #koha and ventures out into the real world
20:11 libsysguy            :p
20:11 libsysguy            libsysguy bore the curse of hourly loans
20:11 libsysguy            libsysguy why does searching suck...libsysguy fines don't work
20:10 * wizzyrea           considers coming down and whipping those librarians into shape.
20:10 cait                 lol
20:10 libsysguy            its so bad :'(
20:10 libsysguy            the verbal abuse
20:10 wizzyrea             only beatings?
20:10 cait                 rangi: in other words lots of good influence :)
20:10 * libsysguy          never gets cookies
20:09 rangi                You get lots of cookies
20:09 libsysguy            haha same here
20:09 wizzyrea             this is for cait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGJOMdpKX9A
20:09 rangi                Yeah
20:09 oleonard             The glamorous life of a programmer eh rangi?
20:09 rangi                I was surrounded by women tho, my boss, the librarians etc
20:09 * cait               checks for sharp fangs
20:08 cait                 so cait is a vampire... perhaps
20:08 libsysguy            and kf is only in the day
20:08 rangi                2 original programmers 1 male 1 female
20:08 libsysguy            yeah because cait comes out at night
20:08 libsysguy            hehe
20:08 cait                 yay, do I get 2 months?
20:08 cait                 libsysguy: and you thought kf and cait were 2 persons :P
20:07 libsysguy            *ducks*
20:07 cait                 wizzyrea: not sure I wnat to imagine that
20:07 * wizzyrea           looks around
20:07 libsysguy            i mean apparently im daft becuase I thought wizzyrea and talljoy were both guys at some point :p
20:07 rangi                Not many, lots of women tho
20:06 libsysguy            how many girls are there on koha
20:06 libsysguy            haha
20:06 * wizzyrea           giggles
20:06 datadoctor           kerplunk
20:05 wizzyrea             scratch that.
20:05 wizzyrea             or something.
20:05 wizzyrea             or the geeks of koha
20:05 * wizzyrea           imagines a calendar "the girls of Koha" or somesuch.
20:05 rangi                Yep
20:05 thd                  rangi: Was C2 the name of the software which HLT had been using?
20:05 wizzyrea             O.o
20:04 libsysguy            [off] we could always get koha.xxx
20:04 wizzyrea             oh and this: http://screencast.com/t/i8L90Wttky
20:04 datadoctor           :)
20:03 rangi                And she is my cousin
20:03 datadoctor           Good book.
20:03 rangi                Bone people is good
20:03 rangi                Or explode
20:03 rangi                Was either gonna be twice as good
20:03 datadoctor           I'm pretending to be kiwi, reading Keri Hulme's Stonefish.
20:03 wizzyrea             oh, we need to buy kohacommunity.com and .net
20:03 rangi                Hlt used C2 ... New system we called C4 when writing it
20:02 rangi                Hockey team had them first
20:02 libsysguy            are you Swedish datadoctor?
20:02 libsysguy            heh
20:01 datadoctor           Looking to hang out on libsysguy's deck.
20:01 thd                  rangi: What is the C4 story?
20:01 libsysguy            hi :D
20:01 datadoctor           Eek! they got the .NET as well. Yuck.
20:01 libsysguy            i was just lurking
20:01 wizzyrea             hi :)
20:01 libsysguy            hehe
20:01 * wizzyrea           nods
20:01 wahanui              libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
20:01 wizzyrea             libsysguy?
20:01 libsysguy            0_0
20:01 datadoctor           I signed up for the hockey team!
20:00 oleonard             And proof of their intent is in the fact that it doesn't redirect
20:00 wizzyrea             and this little gem too: http://screencast.com/t/jujMiOkQkDki
20:00 slef                 and they use network solutions, the least ethical/clueful of the mainstream
19:59 wizzyrea             we all do ;)
19:59 datadoctor           I much prefer .orgs to .coms!
19:58 wizzyrea             slef: I was thinking of this little gem: http://screencast.com/t/OgREtMt1SWGF
19:56 slef                 you know, I think the other version should be written KOHA. Killed Off Happy Associations.
19:56 rangi                You know the C4 story?
19:55 datadoctor           Only the REAL KOHA for me!
19:55 slef                 [off] http://koha.com/news/157-2012-koha-board-member-application
19:55 datadoctor           Generous, nimble and gregarious.
19:54 wizzyrea             what actually *is* funny is that users of the fork, for the most part, find themselves much happier once they migrate to real koha
19:54 datadoctor           And then there's the open-source programmer...
19:54 slef                 rangi: The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris.
19:54 datadoctor           7>>not chuckling<<
19:53 wizzyrea             and the non hyphenated versions and...
19:53 datadoctor           7>>chuckling<<
19:53 wizzyrea             oh and bought the .com and .net editions of the newly adopted community domain. That part was pretty funny too.
19:53 * oleonard           's sides hurt from the laughing
19:53 oleonard             slef: Yeah, and where they tried to sow confusion in the marketplace by keeping the domain for their non-open, randomly-numbered version
19:52 rangi                "its just s big database, how hard could it be"
19:52 slef                 oleonard: is that the one about the guy that said his company would release their forked version of Koha, but then the company started trying to monopolise the name in Koha's homeland?
19:51 rangi                The reason it exists at all is good
19:50 slef                 lolol
19:50 cait                 lol
19:50 rangi                LOL
19:50 oleonard             Oh wait that wasn't funny at all.
19:50 oleonard             I know a funny story about this one time a guy said his company would release their forked version of Koha, but then they didn't.
19:50 slef                 datadoctor: a frog, a kiwi and a rosbif walk into a bar...
19:47 datadoctor           :^)
19:47 rangi                But hard to type them out on the phone ask me again in 20 mins
19:46 rangi                I have tons
19:46 rangi                Funny in what way?
19:45 datadoctor           does anybody have a funny Koha story?
19:42 thd                  magnus_afk: What is the purpose of restricting things to members?
19:42 slef                 yaaaay! Radiohead!  biab
19:41 slef                 magnus_afk: I've been tricked into digital sharecropping too many times. Why are you doing it?
19:41 * magnus_afk         wanders off to watch Dexter
19:41 magnus_afk           slef: i'm not gonna force you - and it's a good question
19:40 slef                 rangi: wb
19:40 slef                 thd: "a programming language chrestomathy - a collection of code snippets (or “nodes”) for people to translate into different programming languages or improve in the same language. Use it to learn a new programming language or improve ones you already know.
19:39 rangi                Back
19:37 thd                  What is kodenode.com ?
19:37 thd                  slef: I do not know but Visa politics is always an obstacle to building a borderless community.
19:37 slef                 that's twice in two days I've been invited to do that
19:37 * slef               looks confused
19:37 slef                 magnus_afk: why do I want to work on a site that's someone else's copyright?
19:36 slef                 thd: do you know if India caused Africans any trouble with visas?
19:35 magnus_afk           anyone want an invite to http://kodenode.com/ ? i think i have 3 to give away - dm me your email adress
19:34 thd                  slef: Yes, we need to encourage them to bid and be prepared to do the necessary work to host the event.
19:33 thd                  Hoever, outside the rich world can make the air travel expensive for anyone who would need to fly given the high prices charged to travel to places outside the rich world.
19:33 slef                 Need to encourage them to bid for KohaCon...
19:32 thd                  Some scholarship system could be very good for diversity of participation.  Holding KohaCon in places outside the rich world is even better for diversity.
19:30 slef                 thd: that's how governments work!
19:29 thd                  slef: I like the notion of democracy disguising the inherent unfairness of anything :0
19:26 rangi                Brb going to bus stop
19:26 rangi                Might be easier
19:26 rangi                Like equinox sponsored people to code4lib
19:25 slef                 democratically unfair though
19:25 rangi                I think if individuals did it
19:25 thd                  rangi: It would necessarily be unfair ;)
19:24 rangi                I think really hard to be fair doing that
19:24 oleonard             Who would sift through the essays on "why I should go to KohaCon?"
19:24 thd                  rangi: We had considered the possibility of using excess sponsorship funds for scholarships to attend, more likely rolled over to the next conference.
19:23 rangi                But we have to spend money on lawyers and crap instead
19:23 rangi                It would be nice if the project had those kinda funds
19:22 rangi                We even had a page on the site
19:22 wahanui              i think 12 years in 12 minutes is a must-have !!!
19:22 cait                 12 years in 12 minutes!
19:22 slef                 thanks 1000
19:22 rangi                I'll ask Russel
19:22 slef                 you wouldn't happen to have a copy of an email with suggestions around still, would you?
19:22 rangi                Pretty much
19:21 slef                 don't ask for credit because the punch on the nose in reply may offend
19:21 rangi                Like UNESCO etc
19:21 rangi                Refusal, suggestions of who to ask
19:20 slef                 flat refusal, or suggestions, or what?
19:20 rangi                We didn't do that though many asked
19:20 rangi                Oh
19:20 cait                 and good morning rangi :)
19:20 huginn               rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:20 rangi                @later tell paul_p bug 7975 please
19:19 cait                 sponsoring people to attend I think
19:19 rangi                Oh yeah
19:19 * oleonard           wonders if we'll reach bug number 8000 before 3.8
19:19 rangi                Ask rangi what?
19:18 thd                  I think the understandability of the audio is always much more important than the video.
19:18 slef                 actually more like 15 year old
19:17 slef                 That said, I tried watching a 10 year old BBC RealVideo last week. It could be a movie by Picasso for all you can tell.
19:17 slef                 thd: indeed. Nothing is without postivies
19:16 thd                  slef: Low-fi could be better for bandwidth.
19:16 slef                 is the one on my floor
19:16 slef                 Epson EMP-760
19:15 slef                 and I've borrowed/stolen one
19:15 slef                 two of them do
19:15 slef                 not all members do
19:15 slef                 the co-op's members have projectors... let me look at what this is because I think all the others are better than this one
19:14 thd                  I have seen VGA projectors on ebay for about $200 in years past.
19:14 slef                 mle_: I think I might but it'll be horribly low-fi
19:14 mle_                 but i dont have the kit to do video streaming. : )
19:14 slef                 radio mike... used to work at my first workplace, Horizon FM
19:13 mle_                 mic even
19:13 mle_                 i have radio mikes etc
19:13 mle_                 i have the kit to set up a question and answer session.
19:13 thd                  How much does it cost to rent a projector?
19:13 mle_                 vintage
19:12 mle_                 i have a little screen
19:12 cait                 and we are good :)
19:12 cait                 or a white wall
19:12 mle_                 \o/
19:12 cait                 so we need a screen?
19:12 * cait               points at it too
19:12 cait                 yep, like this one
19:12 mle_                 : )
19:12 * slef               waves up and down and points at the projector sat by his desk
19:12 cait                 mle_: I think it would be helpful to have one - perhaps a smaller one?
19:12 mle_                 thd: no its because you have to go through it in real time and edit it a bit
19:11 thd                  mle_: Is the reason that archive processing takes longer because an archive is expected to be higher quality than a live stream?
19:11 mle_                 is there anything else the is really unlikely not to work with THe Dining Room as a hackfest room?
19:11 slef                 when should a reminder for this meeting be sent out? Wednesday morning? Tuesday?
19:11 mle_                 (and a screen)
19:11 mle_                 cait i think we didnt book a projector for the hackfest for reasons of cost and we didnt think it would be so useful. however there is still plenty of time to source one.
19:10 mle_                 the streaming is not the issue it is the post processing of the archive that takes a long time
19:10 thd                  I do not know what a cut off date should be but sponsoring the attendance one person at a very late date because of high last minute air fares instead of multiple people with the same amount of money the following year might be a poor investment relatively.
19:10 mle_                 i have most of the kit to do audio streaming and have done it before
19:09 cait                 mle_: perfect :)
19:09 cait                 slef: be nice :)
19:09 mle_                 cait, I ordered power strips.
19:09 slef                 mle_: you just missed it!
19:09 cait                 hope you get better soon
19:09 cait                 hi mle_
19:09 cait                 ooh
19:09 mle_                 #info mle software.coop (not feeling well)
19:09 fredericd            Yes, I'd like to see dpavlin_away work, and try it
19:09 cait                 fredericd: looking forward to meet you :)
19:09 huginn               Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-04-18-18.01.log.html
19:09 huginn               Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-04-18-18.01.txt
19:09 huginn               Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-04-18-18.01.html
19:09 huginn               Meeting ended Wed Apr 18 19:09:14 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:09 slef                 #endmeeting
19:09 slef                 thanks all for taking part
19:09 slef                 #info next meeting Wednesday 25 April 18:00 UTC, 19:00 BST, 20:00 MESZ, 14:00 US Eastern
19:08 cait                 lots of work done at the hackfest in marseille - dpavlin_away can tell you all about it
19:08 fredericd            Yes, I will attend the hackfest
19:08 cait                 fredericd: there is also some action - like the work on plack :)
19:08 fredericd            cait++
19:08 cait                 i will put a list of talks for the hackfest in the wiki later today or tomorrow latest
19:08 slef                 #topic next meeting
19:08 fredericd            There are endless discussion on the subject and not that much action!
19:08 cait                 fredericd: there is a talk at the hackfest
19:07 fredericd            Is there something planned in the hackfest about performances?
19:07 cait                 slef: nothing from me
19:07 cait                 fredericd: will you attend? :)
19:07 cait                 fredericd++ :)
19:07 slef                 hello fredericd and thanks for your sponsorship
19:06 slef                 anything else before next meeting?
19:06 fredericd            hello
19:06 fredericd            #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil
19:06 slef                 #agreed "If excess funds appear by some cutoff date then they might be appropriated to help some people attend, otherwise, I would suggest rolling them over to KohaCon 2013"
19:06 * jwagner            has sent listserv message about fishing trip, cross that one off the list
19:05 cait                 +1
19:05 thd                  +1
19:05 jwagner              +1
19:05 slef                 so can we agree with thd's line "If excess funds appear by some cutoff date then they might be appropriated to help some people attend, otherwise, I would suggest rolling them over to KohaCon 2013"?
19:04 cait                 so can we agree?
19:04 slef                 grr
19:04 slef                 sp cam we ahree wotj th
19:04 slef                 ok well I'll try to get more idea of needed decision dates from this requestor and if there's time to run some sort of maybe-scholarship-system, set that up
19:04 wizzyrea             either way I'm not sure it's much of a precedent.
19:03 thd                  The rich world has the 'unfair' advantage of having the lowest fairs between other rich world locations.
19:03 cait                 we could ask rangi later
19:03 wizzyrea             right, 10
19:03 slef                 I remember that
19:02 slef                 wizzyrea: are you talking... yes, kohacon10
19:02 wizzyrea             an australian transit visa, of all things.
19:02 wizzyrea             though, he didn't get a visa and thusly could not come anyway  :(
19:02 slef                 gbenga works for a Koha vendor I think
19:02 wizzyrea             his was a pretty special case though, he was coming from nigeria and it was going to be crazy expensive
19:02 slef                 potential sponsors
19:01 wizzyrea             i don't know if olugbenga (no idea how to spell it) was sponsored
19:01 slef                 Should I suggest people approach sponsors directly?
19:01 cait                 I don't know about any - but I haven't been involed in organisation before
19:01 thd                  If excess funds appear by some cutoff date then they might be appropriated to help some people attend, otherwise, I would suggest rolling them over to KohaCon 2013.
19:01 slef                 Have previous kohacon sponsored any attendees?
19:01 slef                 and I fear that by the time we do have a definite excess, travel fares will be prohibitively expensive
19:00 thd                  slef: Yes, I was just about to identify that as the problem.
19:00 cait                 hm difficult
18:59 slef                 thd: we do not have excess funds yet. We forecast an excess.
18:59 thd                  Even an ad hoc system would be better than absolutely refusing the one person who asked.
18:58 slef                 Yeah I don't think we can run a full scholarship application system in time with the available volunteers.
18:57 thd                  slef: If you have some excess funds from sponsorship why not make those available to people who might not be able to attend otherwise?
18:57 cait                 I mean writing up something and sorting out money etc.
18:57 cait                 i think we could do this year too - if someone was willing to put time into that now :(
18:57 slef                 Have I understood this right?
18:56 slef                 OK, it sounds like this is basically "not this year" but if we can give money to kohacon13 we should encourage it to run a scholarship programme?
18:56 cait                 ok, seems we all agree :)
18:56 thd                  slef: I think that there should be a scholarship program for people who could not fund their own way.
18:56 cait                 like having a set amount and asking people to write up a little summary
18:55 jwagner              slef, I'd be against doing it just because someone asked. But I can see a future in having a "scholarship" for a person to attend, with qualifications & how to decide spelled out
18:55 cait                 we should give others a chance too
18:55 cait                 I think if we do it
18:54 slef                 We have had one request for attendee sponsorship from someone whose university has refused to fund their travel. At the moment, it looks like it might be financially possible, but how do we feel in principle about the idea?
18:53 jwagner              OK, will send message
18:53 slef                 #topic Sponsorship
18:52 cait                 jwagner: telling you now that it#s done and you can mail out ;)
18:52 thd                  slef: All sensible people put the day first unless using ISO numerically sorted notation.  Putting the day between the month and the year has no logical sense.
18:52 slef                 shall we move on? I think the other Friday excursions can still wait
18:52 slef                 anyyyyway
18:51 cait                 slef: i always get confused about that in English :)
18:51 slef                 well except the Hungarians I think
18:51 jwagner              But should we encourage the practice :-)
18:51 slef                 because Europeans write day month year don't we? ;)
18:51 cait                 done
18:50 slef                 is how I'd word it
18:50 slef                 UPDATE: Please register before 30th April at the latest so arrangements can be made.
18:50 * thd                would be more interested in some other excursion if I could attend.
18:50 cait                 ok
18:50 slef                 cait: register before... I think
18:50 cait                 proof reading please
18:50 slef                 jwagner: yes. As much or as little as you want of the post, plus a link.
18:49 cait                 that ok as text? UPDATE: Please register until April 30th latest so arrangements can be made.
18:49 jwagner              I have no interest in fishing, but I'd like the boat trip :-)
18:49 jwagner              Just a mention of the trip & a pointer to the web site?
18:49 thd                  jwagner: I nominate you, especially if you have any interest in fishing.
18:49 jwagner              sure
18:49 slef                 ok? thanks both
18:48 slef                 #action cait to tell jwagner once post updated, jwagner to mail it out
18:48 jwagner              I can do it if no one else is going to
18:48 cait                 #action cait add deadline april 30th to post about fishing trip
18:47 slef                 thd: yes, jwagner: yes :)
18:47 slef                 cait: yes please!
18:47 jwagner              Sorry, mail what out -- reminder about the fishing trip?
18:47 thd                  slef: Are you asking me or others to send a note about fishing?
18:47 cait                 perhaps I should add that?
18:47 slef                 I think 30 April was discussed in meeting
18:46 cait                 we fogot to set a deadline
18:46 cait                 oh
18:46 slef                 I will if needed, but I think I'm behind with papers and sponsorship admin.
18:46 slef                 ok, could you, thd, datadoctor or jwagner mail it out?
18:46 cait                 can you?
18:45 cait                 slef: I don't think it has - to answer your question :)
18:45 slef                 cait: snap!
18:45 cait                 I think not everyone might be checking the website regularly
18:44 cait                 slef: perhaps we should send  a note to the koha mailing list about it too
18:44 slef                 has it been posted to the koha@... mailing list? Should I circulate it to registered people?
18:44 slef                 #action slef to ask mle how many fishermen are interested
18:44 slef                 cait: thanks.
18:44 cait                 slef: it's mle before the @
18:43 slef                 (he's not been in much this week - as planned)
18:42 slef                 cait: ok, no worries, I'll ask him when I see him. Could have used kohacon12 at software.coop so we could all process them.
18:42 cait                 slef: checking
18:41 cait                 he told me to use that
18:41 thd                  cait: The issue I was identifying is not for the audience present but for a recording which can be understood.
18:41 cait                 his email address
18:41 slef                 cait: do you know what bit before the @ it is going to?
18:41 cait                 so it seems to work, have not heard back from him if he got more
18:41 slef                 #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12-fishing-trip/
18:41 cait                 slef: I don't know - I tested the form and mle told me he got my mail
18:40 slef                 has anyone been hooked, do we know?
18:40 cait                 :)
18:40 slef                 #info thanks to cait and mle for posting about fish
18:40 cait                 thd: I think probably more needed for the conf, but i agre that a microphone is nice
18:39 wizzyrea             oh sorry meeting
18:39 thd                  Last week I suggested a separate microphone for questions put to the presenter.  Presenters should be encouraged to repeat the question in the absence of a questioners' microphone.
18:39 slef                 #topic The Friday Off - Possible Excursions
18:39 cait                 wizzyrea: i hope so - it's 8:40 pm
18:39 cait                 ok, i think I have enough action items for now :) moving on to friday excursions?
18:39 * wizzyrea           assumes gaetan_b has gone home for the day
18:38 slef                 cait: I have a projector here, about 2 metres from me now.
18:38 cait                 #action cait to start notes about hackfest on the volunteers page (list of things we need, etc.)
18:38 slef                 thd: I have enough equipment to do some sort of recordings, but I think we have better equipment available.
18:38 slef                 cait: I'm using that as a page for volunteers, rather than a page about volunteers.
18:37 thd                  ... at least for the presentations?
18:37 slef                 cait: put it on the volunteers page I think
18:37 cait                 slef: perhaps we can just start a list somewhere - was only not sure where to put it
18:37 thd                  ... even if only audio?
18:37 slef                 really could do with mle here
18:37 thd                  slef: Do you have all the recording equipment which you might need to record the hackfest?
18:37 slef                 This is sort of venue things.
18:37 cait                 #action cait to put a list of hackfest talks and a timetable on the wiki
18:36 cait                 projector, power strips (not sure the dining room is suited for a hackfest), ...?
18:36 cait                 what about a list of things we might need?
18:36 slef                 that'd be brilliant - do with it as you will
18:35 cait                 with a suggestion for scheduling, if that's ok?
18:35 slef                 I think I'm going to put a table of paper / presenter / time, then a timetable
18:35 thd                  :) autocomplete is a nice idea which very scary in most actual implementations.
18:35 cait                 and a timetable
18:35 slef                 just a suggestion
18:35 cait                 i will put a lit of the papers
18:35 cait                 ah ok, there is a heading already
18:34 cait                 do you want me to put the hackfest notes on the schedule page?
18:34 cait                 ok, now for the action items
18:34 slef                 even scarier since I got autocomplete
18:34 slef                 my typing is scary
18:34 cait                 heh, was still typing on my #info :)
18:33 slef                 #idea hackfest bugsquash, a group working on fixing old long standing bugs
18:33 slef                 yes that would be a good session I think
18:32 cait                 a group working on fixing old long standing bugs
18:32 cait                 another idea from dpavlin for the hackfest was to have kind of a gbsd
18:32 cait                 #idea have groups reporting about what they have been working on in the afternoon/morning - time to be discussed
18:32 slef                 #link empty outline posted at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Schedule
18:31 cait                 yeah, I will put a note on the to be created wiki page
18:31 cait                 we could also do a short something in the morning, and one before end
18:31 slef                 but expect 4 if we don't see different?
18:31 slef                 and set the time that way
18:31 slef                 maybe ask at start of day when people think they will finish?
18:30 cait                 4:00
18:30 cait                 perhaps 4?
18:30 cait                 but not that important I think - we should set a time and try to do it then I think
18:30 cait                 lots of biblibre developers in marseille too, so a mix of all
18:29 slef                 or hotels?
18:29 slef                 oh right... home faraway home?
18:29 cait                 so I would set a time for it
18:29 cait                 we sometimes forgot to do the meeting
18:29 cait                 getting home :)
18:29 slef                 why did people run out early, do you know?
18:29 thd                  Definitely having separate groups report to everyone is important.
18:29 cait                 I think it did
18:29 slef                 proven ideas are good
18:29 cait                 :)
18:29 slef                 I like the idea, especially if it worked in Marseille
18:28 cait                 if you like the idea
18:28 cait                 slef: not sure, we did it at the end, but some people had run out by then, so perhaps something not too late in the afternoon
18:28 cait                 as a follow up to ideas sparked from presentations and other more informal group work
18:28 slef                 cait: at the beginning or end of the afternoon?
18:27 cait                 so groups working on something could present what they did
18:27 cait                 we did that in marseille
18:27 cait                 slef: my idea was that we could perhaps have some summary meeting in the afternoon
18:27 thd                  cait: So yes, I think that if you schedule a presentation at a time people will be liable to appear on time if they are interested.
18:27 slef                 maybe we need to be careful to try to drag people out to dinner/bars in the evening?
18:27 cait                 thd: makes sense
18:26 thd                  I think that later arrivals during hackfest days were often due to people hacking half the night or falling ill from hacking all night during conference days.
18:26 slef                 damn you autocomplete
18:26 slef                 likely not lightspeed
18:26 cait                 slef: please tell me if you disagree with something I suggest :)
18:26 slef                 I think having formal presentation times morning and afternoon is a good idea and makes people more lightspeed to show up early
18:26 cait                 thd: so you think half an hour would be ok, if people knew that a presentation was about to start at a given time?
18:25 cait                 ah
18:25 thd                  The more formal the arrangement of the hackfest is in terms of presentations the more likely people may be to show up early.
18:25 cait                 for whatever people want to discuss or work on
18:25 cait                 but I was thinking aobu tkeeping the afternoons open
18:25 cait                 thd: we got papers, so I think we should schedule those
18:24 cait                 #idea lunch break 12:30 - 2, 90 minutes
18:24 thd                  The conferences which I am remembering had relatively little formalism about the hackfest days in terms of presentations.
18:24 cait                 yep
18:24 slef                 12:30-2 would make it nearer halfway
18:24 cait                 not sure when we go for lunch - 12 till 13:30? later, earlier?
18:23 slef                 #info we have booked the venue 0900-1800
18:23 cait                 but woud perhaps be good to group together some topics
18:23 cait                 the length varies
18:23 cait                 thd: i think we need to do at least 2 presentations each day
18:23 slef                 thd: I was wondering that and pondered presentations at 10
18:23 thd                  cait: My memory of previous conferences is that it took an hour after starting on hackfest days for everyone to appear.
18:23 cait                 yay :)
18:23 slef                 I'm back online :)
18:22 cait                 ok
18:22 slef                 I think until 5. Let me see if our booking papers say.
18:22 cait                 not sure how long in the afternoon - how long can we stay there?
18:22 cait                 breaks between presentations too?
18:21 cait                 90 minute lunch break
18:21 cait                 and hacking, discussing, working in groups in the afternoon
18:21 cait                 starting at 9, presentations at 9:30 when everyone is there, having presentations in the morning
18:21 cait                 i was thinking
18:21 cait                 ok
18:21 slef                 yes please
18:20 cait                 want me to start with hackfest?
18:19 slef                 #topic scheduling
18:19 slef                 either
18:18 cait                 I think conference after deadline and when list of accepted talkswas posted?
18:17 cait                 conference or hackfest?
18:17 cait                 ok
18:17 cait                 but only have abstracts for 4
18:16 cait                 so I know about 5 then
18:16 slef                 shall we move the topic to scheduling?
18:16 cait                 ok
18:16 slef                 so we should try to schedule that one against a break
18:16 slef                 the presenter is only attending conference
18:16 cait                 yes, he said he thinks it woudl perhaps be more suitable for hackfest
18:15 cait                 ah, you can't reach thet
18:15 slef                 and the solr one is a conference paper
18:15 cait                 ok when I paste a list on paste?
18:15 cait                 I have 4 so far
18:15 slef                 Thought I forwarded the one from robin
18:15 cait                 those 2 not
18:15 slef                 cait: sorry. Didn't you get them?
18:15 cait                 slef: I was going to ask you to send me the details for those
18:15 cait                 slef: rangi mentioned one about solr and one from robin
18:14 cait                 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers for budget headings
18:14 slef                 cait - I think there were 2 new hackfest papers since last meeting too? I'm not tracking those since I've been forwarding them (but I am keeping copies)
18:14 slef                 forecast
18:14 slef                 thd: forecase sponsorship
18:13 thd                  slef: Was £4478.41 the forecast cost or forecast sponsorship?
18:13 slef                 #info Papers - only 3 new papers this week, but deadline is Friday so we expect a surge. List to be posted once I'm back online
18:13 slef                 Current forecast sponsorship income I think
18:12 slef                 that was the situation on Monday I think
18:12 cait                 that about right?
18:12 cait                 Arrived by 12 April: £628.41
18:12 cait                 Current forecast: £4478.41
18:12 cait                 Committed by 10 April: £960
18:12 cait                 Vague basic event cost estimate: about £3000
18:11 slef                 again, that is Monday's situation
18:11 slef                 maybe someone can get the numbers from there
18:10 slef                 sponsoring info is given on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Volunteers
18:10 slef                 #info registrations were at 32 on Monday and I have not touched the registration queue since. I will do as soon as my internet access is back up.
18:09 slef                 #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12
18:09 slef                 ok
18:09 cait                 I confess I am curious how many people have registered now
18:08 cait                 slef: sponsoring, how many registered, number of papers
18:08 slef                 thd: I think I have an everything-that-is-not-already connected problem.
18:08 cait                 slef: perhaps start with ashort update?
18:07 thd                  slef: Do you mean that you have a DNS problem?
18:07 slef                 oh wow... load on my outbound proxy is 4.52
18:07 slef                 thd: that's what I don't understand!
18:06 cait                 magic
18:06 thd                  slef: How can you be here if your internet access is dead?
18:06 cait                 slef: did you post a list of paper details for scheduling somewhere? :)
18:06 cait                 ok, I will go through them :)
18:06 slef                 except I can't because my internet access is dead :-/
18:06 cait                 #info minutes from last meeting http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-04-11-18.00.html
18:05 cait                 we can check the last minutes
18:05 slef                 I think it's roadmap, scheduling and sponsorship
18:05 slef                 can anyone remind me what headings we need to discuss? Sorry for being so disrupted.
18:05 datadoctor           #info Fred Pierre, Stow, Ohio USA
18:05 datadoctor           Stow, Ohio, USA
18:04 datadoctor           Introducing Fred Pierre as datadoctor
18:04 jcamins_away         slef: no, sorry. Have to run to an in-person meeting.
18:04 datadoctor           oops jumped back in without reading...will put to bug report
18:04 slef                 I'm having some problems with internet access.
18:04 cait                 datadoctor: your comments will show up in the meeting minutes :) perhaps add to the bug or wiki page?
18:04 slef                 guess jcamins_away won't be with us then
18:03 datadoctor           That's a drop shadow, 5 pixel offset, 3 pixel blur semi-opaque to show underlying Koha logo.
18:03 jwagner              #info Jane Wagner, Liblime/PTFS
18:03 datadoctor           Something like this: -moz-box-shadow: -5px 5px 3px rgba(90,90,90,0.5); 	-webkit-box-shadow: -5px 5px 3px rgba(90,90,90,0.5); 	box-shadow: -5px 5px 3px rgba(90,90,90,0.5);
18:02 slef                 #info MJ Ray, software.coop, southern England
18:02 thd                  #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:02 cait                 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
18:02 slef                 please introduce yourselves, starting with #info like wahanui did
18:01 wahanui              #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:01 slef                 #topic Introductions
18:01 slef                 #info This is a meeting about kohacon12 planning. Thanks to all who are taking part.
18:01 huginn               Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:01 huginn               Meeting started Wed Apr 18 18:01:17 2012 UTC.  The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:01 wahanui              if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:01 slef                 #startmeeting
18:01 slef                 but I will
18:01 huginn               slef: downloading the Perl source
18:01 cait                 making notes... for the hackfest page
18:01 slef                 huginn will keep notes
18:01 cait                 I think I will be busy keeping notes
18:01 cait                 would you?
18:01 slef                 ok, shall we do this? Who wants to chair?
18:00 slef                 a reminder would have been good but I've been flat out and forgot
18:00 cait                 hm and no Brooke?
17:59 cait                 haven't seen mle in a while
17:59 slef                 I can't get onto instant messaging :-/
17:58 huginn               slef: mle was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <mle> ; )
17:58 slef                 @seen mle
17:58 slef                 is mle here?
17:57 cait                 hi slef
17:57 slef                 now for a quick look at the kohacon email folder
17:57 slef                 wahay and I repair the network uplink with minutes to spare
17:51 wahanui              jcamins: I forgot wiki page
17:51 jcamins              wahanui: forget the wiki page
17:50 datadoctor           will do!
17:50 oleonard             datadoctor: Or quote some CSS we could try to understand what you mean
17:50 wahanui              the wiki page is broken again.
17:50 jcamins              Or the wiki page.
17:50 cait                 datadoctor: there is also a wiki page - if that's easier :)
17:50 jcamins              datadoctor: you should add your comment on the bug, so that it doesn't get lost.
17:50 cait                 hello mr oak :)
17:49 datadoctor           The staff interface looks great, but adding a small offset drop shadow might bring the buttons out more, maybe with opacity set to 40% to allow the logo to show through the shadow.
17:31 Oak                  hello miss cait
17:31 Oak                  kia ora #koha
17:22 cait                 back
17:21 jcamins              oleonard: and actually, I now understand why the character encoding is reported wrong. The first tag in the generated HTML is <script> not <html>
17:20 jcamins              oleonard: no, doesn't surprise me either.
17:20 oleonard             Well that part doesn't surprise me
17:20 jcamins              And, in fact, generate completely invalid HTML pages?
17:17 jcamins              Has anyone else noticed that Voyager OPACs misreport their character encoding?
16:53 gaetan_B             please feel free to add to it, and we'll discuss it :)
16:52 gaetan_B             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Staff_interface_redesign
16:52 gaetan_B             i just created a wiki page to list what needs to be tweaked on 7979 before it is pushed :
16:45 wizzyrea             kf - please add any additional translation related tasks you might like
16:44 wizzyrea             http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Rfc_3.10_webinstaller_improvements
16:41 kf                   oleonard: best motivation :)
16:41 wizzyrea             i like it
16:40 * oleonard           just wanted to make it less ugly
16:40 * oleonard           wonders how many libraries have TagsInputOnList turned on
16:39 jcamins              oleonard: easy. On the classification of ghosts.
16:39 * wizzyrea           giggles
16:38 oleonard             Now you have to find a title for which those tags would be appropriate
16:38 * wizzyrea           read that as "pale ontology"
16:36 kf                   oleonard: I like it :)
16:34 oleonard             What do you guys think of this change http://screencast.com/t/jj3XbRPcYx (if TagsInputOnList is on)
16:33 wizzyrea             :)
16:33 wizzyrea             bye paul_p
16:33 paul_p               ok, it's time to leave for me !
16:32 wizzyrea             so you don't lose your place >.<
16:32 wizzyrea             and it *opens in a new window*
16:32 wizzyrea             omgosh oleonard that would be amazing.
16:31 * jcamins            thinks the background image for the command console should be the rebel alliance icon from Star Wars.
16:30 datadoctor           Sysadmin with a command console? Cool! On menus, using the CSS3 box-shadow attribute makes the buttons jump out. Good luck with your work! I'm off to lunch.
16:29 * oleonard           wills it into being with his mind
16:29 jcamins              Sounds good to me.
16:26 oleonard             How about this: a "command console" with access to system prefs. Can pop up from any page if you have permissions
16:25 * jcamins            isn't a designer, and only spends time in the intranet when there's configuration or cataloging to do.
16:23 jcamins              oleonard: okay, main page and admin module then.
16:23 wizzyrea             ^^ agree with oleonard here
16:23 oleonard             All pages is too much IMO
16:23 jcamins              oleonard: I'd like it on all pages, honestly, but I'd settle for main page and admin module.
16:22 gaetan_B             jcamins: i like this idea a lot !
16:22 kf                   nice idea!
16:22 wizzyrea             (but only for superlibrarians)
16:22 datadoctor           We shadowed the buttons on ours using CSS.
16:22 oleonard             jcamins: On which pages?
16:22 jcamins              paul_p: because it has a search box. That's part of the reason I think that should move up to the main search.
16:22 kf                   yep
16:22 oleonard             Because it contains a search box
16:21 paul_p               + this css show some inconsistencies we have in html = for example, admin-home.pl = why is syspref in a blue box and not other parts ?
16:20 gaetan_B             there is a lot to do in this direction
16:20 gaetan_B             paul_p: styling tables and forms should be the next topic for interface design yes
16:19 paul_p               )
16:19 paul_p               (for now, we just have the grey we already had
16:19 paul_p               another suggestion (from someone that is totally irrelevant about design...) = putting a style to <th>
16:18 jcamins              (to show up only if the user has permission to modify sysprefs)
16:18 gaetan_B             i just tried and i confirm that i like it better without border-bottom
16:17 jcamins              (unless there's already a string for that, in which case we could do it in 3.8, too;)
16:17 jcamins              In 3.10 we should add a syspref search to the main intranet search.
16:16 gaetan_B             oleonard: i would make it another intranetusercss tweak, personally i really like it like that :)
16:16 paul_p               thinking of it, I probably agree with you
16:15 oleonard             Yes
16:15 paul_p               oleonard the header, you mean the main menu (circulation patrons search plus) ?
16:14 * oleonard           is a little weirded out that the header menu has no border under it
16:13 oleonard             But their nerves are so dulled from using terrible software that they don't notice
16:12 jcamins              wizzyrea: I think they must.
16:12 wizzyrea             or really looks that ugly.
16:12 jcamins              I just shake my head in sad bemusement every time I think about them.
16:12 wizzyrea             you have to wonder if IE users just really think the web is broken.
16:12 jcamins              I only know of one Koha library that uses IE for the staff client.
16:12 * wizzyrea           shakes her fist in IE's general direction
16:12 oleonard             Take that, IE
16:11 * wizzyrea           will never use images again.
16:11 wizzyrea             i love css gradients.
16:11 gaetan_B             could be a nice improvement !
16:11 gaetan_B             oleonard: hmmm, well, we just didn't think of using a css gradient :-/
16:09 oleonard             gaetan_B: I'm curious why you used a background image for <div class="gradient"> instead of a CSS gradient
16:09 jcamins              paul_p: ah. Yikes.
16:09 paul_p               jcamins yes, that was the default field for biblionumber IIRC
16:09 jcamins              paul_p: did 3.0 use 090 for biblionumber?
16:09 jcamins              Lenora upgraded from 3.0.
16:08 oleonard             (background logo that is)
16:08 oleonard             The home page logo works well if you just have a little bit of news, not so well if you have a lot
16:07 wizzyrea             change_for_the_better++
16:06 wizzyrea             lol.
16:06 kf                   wizzyrea: I can hide them :P
16:06 wizzyrea             I'm just thinking of a similar treatment as that for circ-home.pl
16:05 wizzyrea             so you don't like the new home page?
16:05 wizzyrea             lol kf.
16:05 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface
16:05 paul_p               wizzyrea I don't plan to drop this sandbox, you can use it. You can even recreate it if needed (it's bug 7979)
16:05 kf                   wizzyrea: since hackfest it's common knowledge that I don't like icons :)
16:05 kf                   :D
16:04 kf                   icons!
16:04 wizzyrea             guess I could put the patch on my test server here.
16:04 * wizzyrea           would like her staff to look at it
16:04 wizzyrea             you gonna be hanging on to this sandbox for a while?
16:03 wizzyrea             it would also benefit from cute lil icons :)
16:03 wizzyrea             sorry, 2nd
16:03 wizzyrea             http://screencast.com/t/tBQB50lsZ
16:03 wizzyrea             http://screencast.com/t/rCIHA81ignI
16:03 gaetan_B             oh yes, that's screen has some free room that's right !
16:03 wizzyrea             ^^
16:03 oleonard             gaetan_B: circulation_home.pl
16:03 jcamins              wizzyrea: I guess my point was "don't use !important" because FF gets confused if you have more than one thing marked !important.
16:03 jcamins              wizzyrea: yeah, I'd have to find the exact problem when I'm at home.
16:03 wizzyrea             not really
16:03 jcamins              So don't do that with the Intranet. ;)
16:02 gaetan_B             wizzyrea: isn't the circulation screen already pretty packed ?
16:02 wizzyrea             it's there, imo
16:02 wizzyrea             if there is another place in the intranet where people need to see the most recent news
16:02 wizzyrea             the intranet news
16:02 * wizzyrea           also thought to add the news to the circ screen
16:01 wizzyrea             I do too
16:01 gaetan_B             but i like the background logo a lot :-[
16:01 gaetan_B             indeed
16:01 wizzyrea             ^^
16:01 gaetan_B             so it is important to leave it highly tweakable with intranetusercss
16:01 gaetan_B             there  are probably going to be a lot of polarizing points, like the background logo
16:00 wizzyrea             i haven't found anything i can't override
16:00 wizzyrea             you'd have to be specific
16:00 wizzyrea             hm
16:00 jcamins              I don't remember exactly what, but !important didn't work because we already had !important set way back at the beginning, and Firefox hated me for it.
16:00 * wizzyrea           uses !important when that happens.
16:00 jcamins              Turns out we did something wacky with the OPAC and some things can't be overridden at all.
16:00 gaetan_B             (i already tested it a little)
15:59 gaetan_B             intranetusercss should do the trick yes
15:59 jcamins              wizzyrea: that's what I thought.
15:59 wizzyrea             and !important?
15:59 wizzyrea             it can be with opacusercss?
15:59 jcamins              Oh, can I register a request? Please do the CSS such that it can be overridden.
15:59 wizzyrea             I like it there. It's colorful and breaks up all the effin white.
15:58 wizzyrea             lol.
15:58 * jcamins            was just going to hide the background image with CSS.
15:58 * oleonard           votes against putting the background image on every page
15:58 wizzyrea             http://screencast.com/t/rCIHA81ignI
15:58 jcamins              Yes, smart!
15:58 asaurat              I have to go, see u all tomorrow
15:58 jcamins              Ohhh.
15:58 wizzyrea             the appropriate one for that area
15:58 jcamins              *put
15:58 jcamins              wizzyrea: but which icon?
15:57 jcamins              Nice!
15:57 wizzyrea             http://screencast.com/t/oepAuuXBvbw
15:57 jcamins              Wait... is that entirely new? I don't recall ever seeing that before.
15:57 jcamins              Except that there's a problem with Festschrift and Index. Maybe this has always been true, though?
15:56 gaetan_B             oleonard: yes that's need i think
15:56 chris_n              lunch
15:56 * chris_n            feels like a kid in candy shop
15:56 oleonard             we could define a different style for fieldset > fieldset
15:56 wizzyrea             and put the koha swoop down in the body
15:56 jcamins              I like the way "Coded information filters" is done.
15:56 gaetan_B             jcamins: i see what you mean, that's a fieldset inside a fieldset i guess
15:56 wizzyrea             what if instead of the upper koha logo you put the icon there
15:56 oleonard             jcamins: It's the default style for a fieldset in this new design
15:56 wizzyrea             hm
15:56 wizzyrea             ^^ my complaint was the same
15:55 gaetan_B             wizzyrea: one idea was to have the icons of each module in the background of every page
15:55 jcamins              oleonard: I don't really know what to call it. There's a frame around "Only items currently available." I don't think that looks so good.
15:55 wizzyrea             oh it's ginormous
15:55 gaetan_B             wizzyrea: i hope we can work on the rest of the interface yes but it's a lot of work!
15:55 wizzyrea             I honestly think you could put that koha logo on every page.
15:55 jcamins              oleonard: on the advanced search.
15:55 jcamins              And I think there should be the same frame around Item type.
15:55 oleonard             jcamins: ?
15:55 wizzyrea             you going to give circulation screen the same treatment?
15:54 jcamins              I like the wide frames, but not the individual frames.
15:54 wizzyrea             could be
15:54 kf                   perhaps broken sample data?
15:54 wizzyrea             (inside the box)
15:54 kf                   there are also notices missing - not good
15:54 kf                   paul_p: hmm not sure, recently broken then
15:54 wizzyrea             yea, I don't like the boxes around availability and library
15:53 kf                   advanced search would need a bit of tweaking too
15:53 paul_p               wizzyrea  I think it's not related to this change, it was like this before
15:53 gaetan_B             ok it sound slike we have a consensus here :)
15:53 wizzyrea             yea, it should be a bit darker
15:53 oleonard             I agree that the green hover color should be a little darker
15:53 wizzyrea             I like the little icons
15:53 gaetan_B             asaurat++
15:53 gaetan_B             need to chek this though...
15:53 gaetan_B             wizzyrea: hmm yes, but i had this problem before, i don't think it comes from this patch
15:52 asaurat              =)
15:52 asaurat              gaetan_B++
15:52 chris_n              asaurat++
15:52 wizzyrea             patron messaging preferences
15:52 wizzyrea             notice table is weird on http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl
15:52 chris_n              gaetan_B++
15:52 gaetan_B             but that's very much readable on my screen, hence the color choice ;)
15:51 wizzyrea             oo pretty
15:51 paul_p               chris_n that will be the next enhancement ;-)
15:51 gaetan_B             ok i'll try another shade
15:51 kf                   gaetan_B: I know, but it's really hard to read for example the small links on the news on mouseover (for me)
15:51 gaetan_B             byt the way it's the green from koha-community.org
15:51 chris_n              maybe we need to provide a koha color-profile... :-)
15:50 chris_n              true
15:50 gaetan_B             ohh colors vary super wildly across monitors
15:50 kf                   I really do like it, only the green on mouseover
15:50 jcamins              Yes, I think a little darker for mouseover would be good.
15:50 kf                   and that's my only 2 things!
15:50 kf                   I think the contrast is not good on mouse over links as is
15:50 kf                   gaetan_B: yeah, but couldn't we try and make the default a bit less ... bright?
15:49 gaetan_B             kf: i woul also make it a proposed css tweak, that should be easy (the icons are css sprites)
15:49 edveal               Has anyone reported or seen display issues with the fines column within "My Summery"? The issue I am seeing is that it displays "NO" even when fines show under the "Fine" tab.
15:49 chris_n              paul_p++ # for being a cool boss ;-)
15:49 kf                   and have to agree on the design
15:49 kf                   paul_p: we have still a few bugs to fix tho
15:49 paul_p               chris_n I made NOTHING (well, except, as gaetan_B & asaurat boss say "I want that to be done for 3.8")
15:48 kf                   for the menu buttons
15:48 kf                   gaetan_B: what if we didn't change the icon and text color on mouse over, but made the border change color like we do for other elements where the focus is?
15:48 paul_p               jcamins = perf enhancement + this = 3.8 release that ppl will remember for a long time ;-)
15:48 chris_n              paul_p++ #nice interface improvements
15:48 gaetan_B             asaurat said we might make it a syspref, but i think that would be overkill
15:48 kf                   gaetan_B++, asaurat++ - don't think I don't like it - I do :)
15:47 kf                   gaetan_B: yep that too :)
15:47 chris_n              more rounded corners++
15:47 gaetan_B             kf: we discussed this with asaurat, i think what would be nice would be to have a user css library on the wiki, like we have a sql queries library, with that kind of tweaks
15:47 jcamins              asaurat++
15:47 jcamins              gaetan_B++
15:47 jcamins              paul_p: that's really nice!
15:47 paul_p               (don't fall from your chair jcamins ;-) )
15:47 jcamins              Wow.
15:47 kf                   gaetan_B: I am not sure about the mouse over color - it's a bit too bright for me, I think a bit darker would be better readable
15:46 jcamins              Oh wow wow wow.
15:46 kf                   gaetan_B: can I hide the icons? ;)
15:46 jcamins              Oh wow.
15:46 jcamins              Heh. That's easy.
15:46 paul_p               jcamins we're talking of a surprise ;-)
15:46 paul_p               jcamins test / test
15:46 jcamins              paul_p: what's the login? I want to know what we're talking about! ;)
15:45 paul_p               I LOVE http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=add&amp;categorycode=A_EXT !
15:45 kf                   gaetan_B: we agree :)
15:45 gaetan_B             oleonard: because css opacity would be inherited to the children element, and the text would also be transparent
15:45 jcamins              What's the top search bar?
15:45 gaetan_B             i think that top search bar is *awesome*
15:45 paul_p               kf & oleonard & gaetan_B & asaurat = don't forget to flush your FF !!!
15:45 oleonard             Why a png? Why not CSS opacity?
15:44 kf                   of the field the focus is in
15:44 kf                   with the green highlighting
15:44 gaetan_B             asaurat: what about a 1px transparent png for the background of the news ?
15:44 kf                   I really like the top search bar
15:44 gaetan_B             the way transparency is handled in css (it's inherited from the parent element) makes it difficult to have a transparent background
15:44 oleonard             Ah, my screenshot is not accurate. CSS was not fully reloaded
15:43 gaetan_B             yes in the first drafts we were using the same green as on the rest of the interface
15:43 kf                   gaetan_B: I think I would like it better without the logo right now
15:43 * gaetan_B           is commenting the bug ticket to explain choices made so far
15:43 kf                   gaetan_B: yeah I think your initial draft the green was a bit more... opaque? and we had transparency for the news s
15:42 gaetan_B             kf: it's true it's not really identifiable with news on top :-/, but it's role is to be a placeholder when there are no news actually
15:42 reiveune             bye
15:42 paul_p               wizzyrea if you want something you should like with your cup of tea, you can head to = http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl
15:41 kf                   when there are news I mean
15:41 kf                   I am not sure it works well here
15:41 kf                   asaurat: we have been talking about the koha icon in the background
15:40 asaurat              there's still an issue about 7979 when translated for which I'll make a follow-up but the english version is ready to be tested
15:40 jcamins              kf: agreed.
15:40 jcamins              oleonard: three of us thought of the same thing, so I think it was a pretty safe bet. :P
15:39 kf                   perhaps we should leave it out?
15:39 kf                   oleonard: because we have no transparency for the news
15:39 kf                   oleonard: I think the koha logo in the background looks a bit weird
15:39 oleonard             One should never presume to understand why someone thinks of schnitzel
15:39 wizzyrea             yes :)
15:39 * kf                 is confused now and goes back to staring on facet building code
15:38 jcamins              wizzyrea: I presume that's why you thought of schnitzel?
15:38 oleonard             But Julie Andrews never sang about pommes
15:38 jcamins              kf: it's a song.
15:38 kf                   jcamins: not noodles
15:38 kf                   jcamins: pommes
15:38 jcamins              kf: the schnitzel should have noodles.
15:38 kf                   jcamins: interesting :)
15:37 wizzyrea             gaetan_B++
15:37 gaetan_B             :) apply patch for more cake
15:37 jcamins              kf: and brown paper packages tied up in string.
15:37 wizzyrea             I would probably consider it comfort food?
15:37 jcamins              kf: also doorbells, and sleighbells.
15:37 jcamins              Wow.
15:37 jcamins              oleonard: thanks!
15:37 * wizzyrea           has no idea really
15:37 kf                   wizzyrea: you think schnitzel is soothing ?
15:37 oleonard             Proposed new staff client interface: http://screencast.com/t/PjoGCX9Lt from gaetan_B and asaurat
15:36 wizzyrea             cool
15:36 jcamins              I responded to the list.
15:35 wizzyrea             are they putting data in the wrong place? oh i see.
15:35 jcamins              wizzyrea: however, I'm suspecting she upraded from 2.something, back when 090 was used for biblionumber before someone realized that was a bad idea.
15:35 jcamins              wizzyrea: it should be call number.
15:34 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , installer and language
15:34 slef                 Changes submitted for bug 1577
15:34 wizzyrea             local number?
15:34 huginn               wizzyrea: unknown tag 090$c
15:34 wizzyrea             @marc 090$c
15:34 huginn               wizzyrea: unknown tag 090
15:34 wizzyrea             @marc 090
15:34 jcamins              I pondered a bit, and think I know what happened.
15:33 esofiane_            Bye #koha
15:33 * wizzyrea           can't make heads or tails of it either
15:33 chris_n              paul_p: sent
15:32 * wizzyrea           sends kf schnitzel
15:32 wizzyrea             OIH
15:32 * wizzyrea           sends kf cookies
15:32 wizzyrea             I suspect that beer and sausages really aren't relaxing.
15:31 kf                   wizzyrea: can you send me something too?
15:31 jcamins              So... can anyone make sense of Lenora's solution?
15:30 * wizzyrea           was trying to think of things british people might find relaxing
15:30 kf                   wizzyrea++ :)
15:29 * wizzyrea           gets slef a soothing lavender sachet to sniff
15:29 * wizzyrea           gets slef a spot of tea
15:24 paul_p               chris_n send it, that can always be usefull
15:24 chris_n              paul_p: if you are interested, I'll send you a copy of the "template" for the current 3.6.x branch... this script *only* handles the bug portion of the notes
15:24 * slef               would go do some gardening, but he doesn't have a garden here.
15:23 * slef               loses it
15:23 slef                 BLOOOOOOOOOD!
15:23 slef                 BLACK! BLACK! BLACK! BLACK!
15:23 jcamins              slef: oh, that's too bad.
15:23 slef                 jcamins: there are none. They are all merely differently broken.
15:22 jcamins              slef: I recommend using the database that works for the problem at hand.
15:22 slef                 I thought postgresql behaved perfectly if you stuck to the standards.
15:22 * chris_n            expects mbalmer to show up at any moment
15:22 * oleonard           faints
15:22 * wizzyrea           boggles
15:22 wizzyrea             you mean postgres isn't perfect?
15:22 slef                 apparently postgresql complains at SQL-standard escaping of single quotes (\') and it has caused one of the web apps we maintain problems
15:21 * chris_n            wonders what slef boggles at :-)
15:21 slef                 wow
15:21 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface
15:21 jcamins              Any chance someone could post a screenshot of the results of applying bug 7979? I'm very curious, but not at home.
15:21 wizzyrea             chris_n++ for awesome release notes.
15:21 * wizzyrea           always likes the stable release notes
15:20 wizzyrea             it's how he does the really great release notes posts on k-c.org
15:20 chris_n              but it has saved me *lots* of time
15:20 chris_n              its in the rough, so consider yourself warned
15:20 chris_n              it takes a template and grabs bugs pushed to a branch, retrieves the appropriate info on them, and inserts it into the release notes template
15:19 chris_n              I'd have to check to be sure that's the latest version
15:19 chris_n              paul_p: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=release-tools.git;a=blob;f=get_bugs.pl;h=82cd3fae1cd74e1eb31191014e6dbbdcd6fe703b;hb=HEAD
15:19 * wizzyrea           bounces and squees at the idea that we could do that with "edit items"
15:18 jcamins              chris_n++
15:18 jcamins              chris_n: nice!
15:18 chris_n              om
15:18 paul_p               chris_n nope
15:18 chris_n              maybe some of it would be useful
15:18 chris_n              paul_p: have you seen my release notes script?
15:17 wizzyrea             !!!!! that is so awesome.
15:16 chris_n              jcamins, oleonard: http://www.screencast.com/t/P1F4TzzCb
15:13 jcamins              I thought the other one was instructions for 10.10+
15:13 jcamins              We definitely don't need instructions for Jaunty.
15:11 oleonard             That's what I was thinking
15:11 wizzyrea             i mean, that makes sense to me
15:11 wizzyrea             I think we should only keep the installer for the current LTS version?
15:11 oleonard             If Lucid is the current LTS, why have a separate install for Jaunty?
15:11 jcamins              I mean, I know the installation procedure is different, I'm just speculating that's why there are two.
15:10 jcamins              That was just speculation.
15:10 jcamins              oleonard: Lucid is the most recent LTS, but there have been a bunch of versions of Ubuntu since then, and the installation procedures are different?
15:10 oleonard             My real question is why do we have two?
15:10 oleonard             Oh, it's the other one that references an older version of Ubuntu
15:09 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7979 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , New design for staff interface
15:09 jcamins              asaurat: stop being such a tease! I want to know what the new design will look like! (bug 7979 ;)
15:09 jcamins              oleonard: until the next LTS release, probably yes.
15:09 paul_p               (3 hours writing it... rangi is right when saying it's the hardest part of the release process !)
15:08 paul_p               I will submit a draft for release notes on the wiki in a few minuts. Everybody welcomed to update it !!!
15:08 kf                   hm seems I had that idea earlier already... and never got around to write apatch for it
15:08 oleonard             Do we still need INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid?
15:07 kf                   slef: yep, that one looks right to me
15:07 jcamins              eythian has the start of localized packages.
15:07 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1577 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , installer and language
15:07 kf                   perhaps bug 1577
15:06 slef                 kf: thank you
15:06 oleonard             No, we need the INSTALL files, but we should keep them up to date
15:06 kf                   let me find it for you
15:06 slef                 wizzyrea: manual is too big. We're already lucky if people read INSTALL.
15:06 kf                   slef: there is a very old bug
15:06 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7033 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , Make all strings translatable in marc21_field_007.tt
15:06 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6715 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , xmlControlField.js always fetches the value_builder xml files in the "en" directory.
15:06 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist"
15:06 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7327 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Failed QA , Translation script doesn't like concatenated javascript strings
15:06 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5617 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , fix-perl-path.pl misses some files
15:06 kf                   slef: was more trying to say that things changed and we need to make it better - not going to blame anyone
15:06 wizzyrea             and ship the manual
15:06 slef                 @query INSTALL translate templates
15:06 wizzyrea             or we should do away with INSTALL and put that in the manual
15:05 slef                 kf: so whoever changed that should have updated INSTALL... but never mind, we know now
15:05 kf                   but it's really useful knowledge to translators,b ecuase you will need them after each update
15:05 wizzyrea             nope.
15:05 slef                 the manual, which is not shipped with koha either
15:05 kf                   I think we used to give people the files in one big tarball - so dealing with translation scripts was not necessary
15:05 * wizzyrea           too
15:05 wizzyrea             ^^ except that, which (I don't think?) is in the manual
15:05 * slef               quietly explodes about critical instructions only being on wiki
15:04 kf                   wizzyrea: it was not necessary when we had the big big tarballs with all translations installed
15:04 kf                   slef: it's mentioned here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client
15:04 wizzyrea             and nowhere I have seen says "create the translations first"
15:04 kf                   slef: no they don't :(
15:04 wizzyrea             slef: this is why I was under the impression that the web installer was only in english
15:04 kf                   if you don't see your language of choise in the pull down... please check...
15:04 slef                 errr, INSTALL doesn't mention creating the templates first
15:03 wizzyrea             and files a bug about same.
15:03 kf                   I think a note about the languages on the first step would be great
15:03 * wizzyrea           makes a wiki page for web installer improvements.
15:03 * oleonard           tried to fix them once and found too much of a mess in how they were generated
15:03 * oleonard           is annoyed at the radio buttons/checkboxes in the installer with no working <label>
15:03 kf                   ah
15:03 wizzyrea             improvements, spring cleaning
15:03 kf                   sprucing?
15:02 slef                 kf: agh I knew I was forgetting something. Checking INSTALL file
15:02 wizzyrea             perhaps for the next release we should do some sprucing to the web installer.
15:02 kf                   slef: the list you see depends on your installed templates
15:02 kf                   slef: ah reight - you have to create the templates first
15:01 jcamins              Why separate packages for Perl and non-Perl dependencies?
15:01 slef                 kf: I think it's not offering the choice of anything except en for intranet in the webinstaller, is it?
14:49 kf                   opac for german is done if you want to do some tests :) I have still over 9000 for staff to translate...
14:49 kf                   slef: I think most installations are not finished yet - but it shoud work?
14:49 slef                 is it possible to install 3.7 not in English?
14:37 jcamins              ^^ there we go - there's a video explaining how to do this
14:36 wahanui              videos are found at http://www.youtube.com/group/kohails and http://vimeo.com/channels/kohails
14:36 jcamins              videos?
14:36 jcamins              koha instructional videos?
14:36 wahanui              manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
14:36 oleonard             manual?
14:36 Morthland11          Thank you
14:36 wizzyrea             patron -> details -> more -> permissions
14:36 jcamins              ;)
14:36 jcamins              wizzyrea: no, I'm saying that's a good thing.
14:36 oleonard             What about them Morthland11?
14:36 Morthland11          I still cant figure out permissions
14:35 wizzyrea             I know, sorry
14:35 jcamins              wizzyrea: incorrect apostrophe use is very annoying. :P
14:35 wizzyrea             hehe I did
14:35 kf                   wizzyrea: you said it should be annoyng...
14:34 kf                   lol
14:34 * jcamins            wishes that wizzyrea's example didn't hit so close to home.
14:34 wizzyrea             You haven't weeded the non-fiction in 10 years - someone just died because of outdated diabetes information - DO THAT NOW"
14:33 oleonard             "You haven't read the shelves in juvenile non-fiction in over three years DO THAT NOW"
14:31 kf                   big and red - you don't have created a library - DO THAT NOW - you don't have a patron category for staff - DO THAT NOW... so on
14:31 wizzyrea             sorry, bad apostrophe use.
14:31 wizzyrea             so you pick a language when you start, it imports that languages's defaults
14:31 kf                   wizzyrea: only saying not so easy - I think going with a big annoying message and instructions woudl be good
14:31 jcamins              paul_p: I just wanted to make sure you noticed that it wasn't for 3.8. ;)
14:31 jcamins              paul_p: good.
14:31 paul_p               jcamins I don't plan to push 7430 for 3.8. It adds nothing (except cleaning), so no need to hurry
14:31 wizzyrea             also, you'd just add that to your languages' default db
14:30 kf                   of course
14:30 wizzyrea             does the web installer come in a translation other than english?
14:30 kf                   wizzyrea: *cough* translations *cough*
14:30 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, Passed QA , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
14:30 jcamins              paul_p: don't push bug 7430 for 3.8.
14:29 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7975 blocker, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't use patron import
14:29 kf                   paul_p: can you take a look at bug 7975 too? It's not in your qa list, because needs  arevert
14:29 wizzyrea             by default, regardless of what you do
14:29 wizzyrea             and perhaps even a default patron category of "staff"
14:29 * wizzyrea           thinks a single library definition should be part of the web installer too
14:29 paul_p               s/mings/mins/
14:29 Morthland11          how do you give permissions
14:29 paul_p               (starting by some BLO/CRI patches)
14:28 * paul_p             will go pushing in a few mings
14:28 kf                   wizzyrea: it's not so easy :(
14:28 kf                   wizzyrea: the problem is, you would have to force them to create alibrary, create a patron category... and so on
14:28 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7962 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Cart missing from result lists
14:28 * oleonard           encourages paul_p to push his patch for Bug 7962
14:28 jcamins              Maybe even all three.
14:28 jcamins              wizzyrea: I think both of those are good ideas.
14:28 jcamins              Yes, patrons.
14:28 jcamins              And I encourage everyone I work with not to use anything other than the Default framework, too.
14:28 jcamins              I don't really know, though. I never, ever use frameworks.
14:28 kf                   wizzyrea: +1
14:27 wizzyrea             and give the db user no login rights.
14:27 wizzyrea             and/or make creating the initial user part of the web installer.
14:27 * wizzyrea           thinks we should put the biggest most annoying alert ever on every page when people use the db user as their login.
14:27 kf                   Morthland11: create a staff user for yourself too and only use the admin account when updating koha to a newer version
14:26 oleonard             And give them the permissions you want for them
14:26 kf                   Morthland11: never use the admin account
14:26 oleonard             Yes, add a new patron
14:26 Morthland11          For cataloging
14:26 Morthland11          One more question, how do I create another staff? Just as a new patron? Right now I am using the admin account
14:25 Morthland11          yeah.
14:25 jcamins              Hm. If you do a Z39.50 search after choosing the Books framework, I think it stays the same.
14:24 Morthland11          after I do a z39.50 search, I'd like it to default to Books
14:23 Morthland11          i mean,
14:23 jcamins              Morthland11: or modify the Default framework.
14:23 jcamins              Morthland11: you don't need to. Just use whichever framework you want when you create a record.
14:22 Morthland11          How do I set the default framework for cataloging?
14:19 kf                   thx :)
14:17 * jcamins            did so.
14:15 kf                   jcamins: pat Chester from me?
14:15 wahanui              it has been said that wednesday is fine for me
14:15 kf                   wednesday!
14:15 kf                   aaw
14:15 jcamins              kf: Chester says hi.
13:45 kf                   sunny I think :)
13:44 wizzyrea             how is kohaland today
13:44 kf                   :)
13:44 kf                   hi wizzyrea
13:39 wizzyrea             sup peeps
13:39 oleonard             Hi wizzyrea
13:38 * wizzyrea           waves
13:38 Guest677             erm
13:38 * Guest677           waves
13:37 drojf                or even worse
13:36 drojf                yes with a 10 hour flight and 7 hours in frankfurt or something like that
13:36 kf                   well technically it is possible
13:36 drojf                seems impossible with 1630 either. yeah :)
13:36 kf                   heh
13:35 drojf                i guess i write 1800 so they dont get the idea i should fly home that day :D
13:35 kf                   then to make them stay until 16:30
13:35 kf                   I think it will be harder to make people go
13:34 kf                   then take slef's
13:34 drojf                :D
13:34 drojf                now now now
13:34 kf1                  drojf: perhaps ask me tomorrow? I am going to write something up tonight after volunteer's meeting hopefully
13:34 drojf                hi kf1 :)
13:34 oleonard             Hi kf1
13:33 * kf1                waves
13:31 slef                 drojf: 0930 doors open, hackfest end maybe 1630 but ask kf
13:31 oleonard             I'd be interested in other opinions about whether that's a better option
13:31 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading
13:31 oleonard             dpavlin_away: I've attached a follow-up for Bug 7500 without the logo
13:27 drojf                slef: any idea what time kohacon is approximately going to start and hackfest going to end? my application form requires times for that
13:22 drojf                good day #koha
12:50 vinod                OPACItemsResultsDisplay does not shows call number in opac
12:49 vinod                how can i remove Limit to currently available items from opac as it is not working?
12:30 vinod                can i remove Limit to currently available items from opac as it is not working, how
12:28 wahanui              okay, vinod.
12:28 vinod                live cd is also available on sourceforge can i use it?
12:28 kf1                  vinod: use the current stable release that is installed with the packages
12:28 magnuse              it's the one you will get if you install using this method: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:28 magnuse              vinod: version 3.6.4 is the stable one
12:27 vinod                which is more stable version to use now, and which should i use as a beginer
12:27 wahanui              it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:27 magnuse              packages?
12:27 magnuse              packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:27 vinod                which is more stable version to use now, and which should i use as a beginer
12:27 magnuse              packages?
12:27 magnuse              packages info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:27 magnuse              packages?
12:27 magnuse              packages
12:26 magnuse              package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:26 wahanui              magnuse: I forgot packages
12:26 magnuse              wahanui: forget packages
12:26 wahanui              package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
12:26 kf                   packages
12:25 vinod                i do not know much about linux so want friendly installation, is there any way other than live cd to do the job
12:23 jcamins_away         vinod: I probably wouldn't, but I suppose there is no reason you couldn't.
12:23 vinod                please tell me is it advisable to use koha live cd for 3.6 version on production machine
12:21 jcamins_away         Right.
12:21 vinod                ok there may be result but not currect?
12:21 jcamins_away         Sorry. :(
12:21 jcamins_away         vinod: no it isn't, you just didn't realize that it was giving you inaccurate results.
12:21 vinod                please check at http://115.119.172.72/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl
12:20 vinod                but i have seen in many sites it is working fine
12:20 jcamins_away         vinod: it's a bug in every version of Koha, yes. It's already been reported.
12:20 vinod                means it is bug in 3.6
12:19 dpavlin              Ok, I'll try to get Zottero play nice with our OPAC detail page and if I manage to fix it open the bug.
12:19 jcamins_away         vinod: Limit to currently available items doesn't work.
12:19 vinod                please tell me is it bug when i am cliking Limit to currently available items on opac it does not shows any result
12:18 kf                   9989 words need attention  - yay!
12:18 jcamins_away         But, yeah, definitely worth incorporating what isn't in Koha yet.
12:18 jcamins_away         dpavlin: some of that code made it into Koha, I think.
12:17 dpavlin              I can extract COinS improvement from your commits and attach it to bug if you don't mind
12:17 dpavlin              jcamins_away: Do you think it would make sense to open bug for it?
12:16 jcamins_away         The COinS commits.
12:15 jcamins_away         dpavlin: https://github.com/jcamins/koha/commits/nnan2
12:14 jcamins_away         Not sure exactly where.
12:13 oleonard             Hi everyone
12:13 dpavlin              jcamins_away: that would be great!
12:13 jcamins_away         Somewhere or other I think I have an un-rebased patch that helps.
12:13 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4901 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Title & Subtitle w/out space in Zotero
12:13 kf                   bug 4901
12:12 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4018 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Coins support problems and xslt
12:12 jcamins_away         dpavlin: our COinS and unapi implementations are... poor.
12:12 kf                   bug 4018
12:12 kf                   hi oleonard
12:12 dpavlin              It seems that it prefers unapi, but then we are delivering wrong type (allthough meta-data included in our html look ok)
12:12 kf                   there have been some bugs
12:12 kf                   that's not impossible
12:12 dpavlin              I'm allmost thinking that we had corrupted unapi in 3.4 so that zotero picked CoinS instead.
12:11 kf                   but this only affects results as it seems
12:11 kf                   system prefernece
12:11 kf                   I was thinking about COinSinOPACResults
12:11 kf                   not sure
12:11 kf                   hmm
12:10 dpavlin              detail page. Result list uses CoinS
12:09 dpavlin              This makes zottero icon wrong (white document instead of blue book)
12:09 kf                   in result list or on detail page?
12:09 dpavlin              In 3.4 it used CoinS (allthough there is also unapi data on page)
12:09 dpavlin              It seems that Zoterro on OPAC display page uses unapi which has wrong document type (document and not book)
12:08 kf                   what is your problem?
12:07 dpavlin              hi all. I have Zoterro problem.
12:07 kf                   hi dpavlin :)
11:25 kf                   slef: I think that's what I have seen him using
11:25 slef                 going with rot13
11:25 wahanui              confusing is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
11:25 slef                 confusing
11:25 slef                 http://www.rot13.org/~dpavlin/cv-en.html has a different one
11:24 slef                 dpavlin@foi.hr
11:24 slef                 found http://www.rot13.org/~dpavlin/gpgkey.asc using email address from it
11:20 huginn               magnuse: dpavlin_away was last seen in #koha 22 weeks, 2 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <dpavlin_away> Carl: do you have more than 1000 results by any chance? Zebra ignores sort order with more than 1000 (but configurable in Zebra configuration) results
11:20 magnuse              @seen dpavlin_away
11:20 huginn               magnuse: dpavlin_ was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <dpavlin_> chris_n++
11:20 magnuse              @seen dpavlin_
11:20 kf                   slef: perhaps try to write him an email - I think he does not read the chat frequently
11:19 slef                 that's some sleep
11:19 huginn               slef: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: * dpavlin waves and goes to sleep...
11:19 slef                 @seen dpavlin
11:19 huginn               slef: dpavlin_away was last seen in #koha 22 weeks, 2 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <dpavlin_away> Carl: do you have more than 1000 results by any chance? Zebra ignores sort order with more than 1000 (but configurable in Zebra configuration) results
11:19 slef                 @seen dpavlin_away
11:11 slef                 and it's back
11:10 slef                 The server at wiki.koha-community.org is taking too long to respond
11:09 wahanui              svc api is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API
11:09 slef                 svc api?
11:09 slef                 svc?
10:49 magnuse              vinod: have a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:44 vinod                is there any way to install automatically like Koha CD
10:44 vinod                how can i above i do not have much idea about linux
10:39 slef                 I'd use http://debian.koha-community.org rather than any CD and I'd start with version 3.6.4 today.
10:37 vinod                and which version would be good more stable for begining
10:36 vinod                please tell me is it advisable to use Koha CD for atomatic installation of all the packages
10:36 vinod                thanks for a good technical answer but our data base is having same call number for same copy of a title so i wanted solution
10:33 slef                 you could map callnumber to 082 in the Koha-MARC configuration but I'd be worried that something may break or misbehave then
10:32 slef                 it's not required for all copies of a book to have the same callnumber so if yours do, I feel you should put callnumber into 952$o before importing
10:31 vinod                i wanted to import the data
10:31 vinod                is there any way so that the call number should automatically picked up from 082 field to 952$o field bcz i dont have call number in marc format along with each item
10:29 kf                   what you want is using different itemtypes for items with different loan policies
10:28 kf                   it will work
10:28 kf                   we do that a lot here - having one item for in-house use only and other items for checkout on the same record
10:28 kf                   circulation rules work on item level
10:27 vinod                shelving location is mandatory?
10:27 vinod                because biblio is same for all
10:26 vinod                ok thangs will it affect the hold policy if we set it item wise
10:26 kf                   vinod: yes, that's how it works
10:25 hdl                  vinod: yes you can.
10:25 vinod                can we enter one biblio and than separate items in 952 field if we have many copy of a perticular book
10:25 huginn               kf: The operation succeeded.
10:25 kf                   @later tell mveron - looked at the patch, makes all sense to me and you tested - so don't worry :)
10:24 hdl                  Is there patch for those bugs ?
10:24 mveron               kf: Will be back in about 2 hours
10:24 vinod                please resolve above
10:23 vinod                can we enter one biblio and than separate items in 952 field?
10:23 kf                   hdl: not alot of time left and we have some evil bugs waiting for our rm
10:23 hdl                  kf iirc tomorrow
10:23 vinod                pleae tell me how to enter if we have 20 copy of a book out of which 5 in reference,5 general, 10 book bank
10:21 kf                   hdl: I was wondering about paul_p - do you know when he will be back?
10:21 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Failed QA , Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items
10:21 magnuse              Bug 4481
10:21 vinod                ok i will do that
10:21 kf                   vinod: it's in the installing instructions
10:20 vinod                please let me know how to do the job
10:20 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7012 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , limit to available not limiting anymore
10:20 magnuse              bug 7012
10:20 vinod                no
10:20 kf                   did you set up your cronjobs for regular reindexing?
10:19 kf                   vinod: that shoudl not happen - if yo have 2 books
10:19 vinod                please help we have many type of items under one biblio record like reference books, general, book bank etc
10:18 vinod                although after runing the zebra opac shows one item availble and one checked out
10:16 vinod                another thing is if there are two books in a item than after issueing one book opac display no items available
10:16 hdl                  vinod: the problem is that availability and display is computed at biblio level where availability for checkout is an item matter there fore if you have one item checkedout, the whole record is hidden
10:14 vinod                koha 3.6 i am trying to use on a ready made installation cd
10:14 hdl                  which actually as things stand is not working perfectly.
10:13 hdl                  vinod: well, there is some way to hide that "feature"
10:13 vinod                how can i resolve it
10:09 kf                   vinod: I think that's a known bug
10:04 vinod                my koha does not gives any result when cliking the option Limit to currently available items on opac
09:45 mveron               What can I do to see if everything is OK?
09:43 kf                   and have to really merge something, like when we changed the capitalization in the templates
09:43 kf                   sometimes you want to check it still does the same thing
09:43 kf                   To fix this conflict you will need to delete all but “our $VERSION = '3.01.00.045';”  << this is a bit dangerous
09:43 kf                   hm
09:42 kf                   I think it shoudl be alright
09:42 kf                   if it tested ok
09:42 mveron               Followed http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Resolve_Merge_Issues
09:41 mveron               Conflicts
09:41 mveron               I had to fix congflicts in the file
09:41 kf                   did it just apply with the second command or did you have to fix conflicts too?
09:40 mveron               Hope it is OK...
09:40 kf                   yay!
09:40 mveron               kf: Patch first did not apply, could resolve it using git am -iu3 temp
09:40 kf                   :)
09:40 kf                   thx for signing off .)
09:39 mveron               hi kf
09:39 kf                   hi gaetan_B
09:39 kf                   mveron++ :)
09:30 huginn               kf: The operation succeeded.
09:30 kf                   @later tell paul_p don't forget to add mveron to the history.txt :)
09:27 mtj                  actually, there was only *one* hit for 'atomicupdate' with grep (the line wrapped :) )
09:21 mtj                  aah yep, thanks magnuse
09:18 magnuse              see line 4939
09:18 magnuse              mtj: or make updatedatabase run the file: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl#l4936
09:17 mtj                  looks like a nice opportunity for a mistake :)
09:17 rangi                Pass
09:16 mtj                  the RM is sposed to cut/paste that atomicupdate/*.pl file to bottom of the  updatedatabase.pl file?
09:14 mtj                  yeah, looks that way
09:13 rangi                Then Paul does something with updatedatabase
09:12 rangi                Until they are pushed
09:12 rangi                I think you just have to run the files manually
09:12 mtj                  i expected more :/
09:12 mtj                  hmm, theres only 2 hits for 'atomicupdate' in the codebase
09:11 rangi                :)
09:10 mtj                  heh, the biblibre peeps have still to discover irc-proxies...
09:08 rangi                mtj: Paul knows
09:07 mtj                  thats the new atomicupdate method, still in sign-off
09:06 mtj                  hmm, that hasnt been pushed yet
09:04 mtj                  ah, ok :) /me looks...
09:04 slef                 you asked how it works... I'm just pointing at the docs... I've not tested it
09:04 mtj                  no ''SearchEngine'' syspref gets added, and the zebra syspref is not deleted
09:03 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
09:03 slef                 mtj: no, the atomicupdate stuff is described in bug 7167
09:03 mtj                  http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=head-dev/.git;a=blob;f=installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/bug_7430_add_searchengine_syspref;h=9aedb19d3578702b326cda4068084f8233cda509;hb=e8e4fc05d5dd4822caaeb45add381f9954a3e1e7
09:02 mtj                  but that update doesnt run
09:02 mtj                  the patch seems to work fine (thats good )
09:02 mtj                  [head-dev/.git] / installer / data / mysql / atomicupdate / bug_7430_add_searchengine_syspref
09:02 mtj                  and this update here....
09:01 mtj                  no its bugz 7430
09:01 mtj                  back now slef
08:38 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
08:38 slef                 mtj: pretty sure it's bug 7167
08:36 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7184 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , have mysql returning errors
08:36 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5436 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, guillaume.hatt, Pushed to Master , Extended patron attributes display improvements
08:36 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Signed Off , Hourly Loans
08:36 huginn               slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
08:36 slef                 @query atomic update
08:35 huginn               04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7430 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, Signed Off , ModZebra should not be in C4::Biblio
08:35 magnuse              bug 7430
08:34 mtj                  twas bug-7430
08:34 mtj                  i just pulled a patch to QA, with an the  atomicupdate file, and the update didnt work
08:33 kf                   and hi mtj :)
08:32 * magnuse            neither
08:32 kf                   no, never used it
08:28 mtj                  anyone know how the 'atomicupdate' stuff works ?
08:21 wahanui              it has been said that faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
08:21 slef                 faq?
07:18 kf                   hi clrh
07:18 clrh                 hello
07:12 samuel               hi everybody!
07:05 esofiane             hello #koha
07:04 magnuse              bonjour france, bonne nuit rangi
07:03 rangi                Evening
07:02 wahanui              bonjour, asaurat
07:02 asaurat              hi
06:51 julian_m             hi
06:39 francharb            morning #koha
06:38 alex_a               bonjour #koha
06:31 wahanui              hola, reiveune
06:31 reiveune             hello
06:12 magnuse              bbiab
06:09 magnuse              guten morgen cait
06:09 cait                 hi magnuse
06:06 magnuse              kia ora #koha!
05:29 cait                 hi eythian
05:29 cait                 hi ey
05:29 eythian              bye cait
05:29 eythian              hi cait
05:28 cait                 good morning #koha
05:27 mtj                  ... i guess guille is about to click that liblime deleted their spanish Koha files long ago :)
04:37 rangi                each to their own :) if you want to join the Koha open source project, you know where we are
04:37 guille               thanks rangi , im going to talk with the Liblime guys first
04:37 rangi                http://koha-community.org/download-koha/
04:36 rangi                click on thte download link on that site i pasted above
04:36 rangi                Liblime Koha is a fork, and only maintained by liblime you would need to talk to them
04:36 guille               where can i download it ?
04:35 rangi                and the latest released version of Koha is 3.6.4
04:35 guille               yea rangi , i mean that
04:35 rangi                at http://koha-community.org
04:35 rangi                we all work on Koha itself
04:35 rangi                if so, we can't really help you here
04:35 rangi                hi guille, do you mean Liblime Koha 4.08 ?
04:34 guille               any suggeted to point me to the right way ?
04:34 guille               hello everybody, Installing Koha 4.08 I get Can't call method "id" on an undefined value at InstallAuth.pm line 279. when i tried get the webinstall .pl
04:28 wahanui              OK, eythian.
04:28 eythian              wahanui: Newfoundland is the Untitled Document of place names.
03:33 Amit_Gupta           heya bag
03:03 rangi                coolio
02:55 chris_n              rangi: https://github.com/cnighswonger/koha-wip/tree/enhancement/bug_7977
02:34 rangi                good luck :)
02:28 pongtawat            Ok, thank you, I will try the mailing list
02:28 pongtawat            Oh
02:27 wahanui              mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
02:27 rangi                mailing lists?
02:27 rangi                oh, hmm you are best asking that on the koha-devel mailing list, the people who know the answer to that, will all be asleep
02:27 pongtawat            When we use Zebra with ICU, does it support first-in-field, startswithnt ?
02:27 rangi                ask away
02:26 pongtawat            I would like to have some help :)
02:25 rangi                chris_n++
02:25 rangi                hi pongtawat
02:25 pongtawat            Hello Koha...
01:50 chris_n              fwiw, here's a screencast of the editor: http://www.screencast.com/t/P1F4TzzCb
00:19 * chris_n            definitely has those symptoms when apt acts up
00:19 wahanui              OK, chris_n.
00:19 chris_n              wahanui: confusion is the inability to think with your usual speed or clarity, including feeling disoriented and having difficulty paying attention, remembering, and making decisions.
00:02 eythian              that's going to cause some people some confusion
00:02 eythian              oh dear, the indexdata apt repo signing keys have expired.