Time Nick Message 04:04 Oak kia ora #koha 05:04 cait hi #koha 05:13 cait hi Oak :) 05:13 Oak hello miss cait :) 05:16 cait mtj: still around? 05:38 mtj cait: here now... 05:39 cait ah :) 05:39 cait was about the patch from marc 05:40 mtj ah, yep - thanx for updating the bug :) 05:40 cait mtj: I did another sign off - want to add yours to the patch too? 05:41 mtj yes, will do now 05:48 mveron Good morning #koha 05:49 vinod hello all koha users 05:49 cait guten morgen mveron :) 05:50 vinod i am facing problem in import all data is imported successfully but call number does not shows 05:51 vinod but call number shows in marc format and other detail views 05:51 cait where did you store the call number? 05:51 cait and did you import items? 05:51 vinod 082 $a and $b yes everything 05:51 cait 082$b is not shown 05:52 cait you have to add the callnumbers to your items in 952 05:52 rangi Needs to be on 952$o 05:52 cait right $o :) 05:52 rangi I think someone answered your email 05:52 cait evening rangi 05:52 vinod yes it is also automatically added 05:52 wahanui okay, vinod. 05:52 cait vinod: Koha does not show call numbers in the record, only in the items 05:53 rangi You added it to 952? 05:53 cait wahanui forget yes it 05:53 wahanui cait: I forgot yes it 05:54 rangi It won't automatically add it 05:54 vinod during import i had given 082 field but it automatically takes in 952 $o also 05:54 rangi What does? 05:54 wahanui i guess does is calculate the discount on this price or the tax is removed before to calculte the discount on the price before taxes? 05:54 rangi Koha doesn't 05:55 mtj cait: done :) 05:55 vinod when i tried to manually edit the item record, it was already call number was already there and after saving that shows the call number in opac also 05:55 rangi Ok my bus stop bbl 05:56 vinod please tell me what to do 05:57 cait vinod: it only does that automatically when you use the cataloguing module 05:57 cait and add new items 05:57 cait when you import data 05:57 cait you have to have the infrmation in the right fields already 05:58 cait vinod: when you edit an item, koha will check for 082 to present you with a suggestion for your callnumber, this is controlled by the itemcallnumber system preference - but it's only because you opened the item for editing. 05:58 cait thx mtj :) 05:58 cait mtj++ 05:59 vinod ok than what to do so that imported items can be viewed directly 05:59 mtj cait++ too 06:02 cait vinod: put the callnumber in 952$o as rangi suggested 06:02 cait and then import them again 06:02 cait or if you are good with sql you can also populate items.itemcallnumber and run a full reindex 06:05 vinod1 please let me know how to add full call number in 952 $o field at the tie of bulk importing\ 06:07 francharb good morning 06:09 vinod1 after importing bulk data, opac does not shows full call number in table form but it shows in marc format 06:12 vinod1 hello anybody help please 06:14 mtj vinod1: use marcedit, or (my favourite) a perl script 06:14 mtj heya francharb 06:14 wahanui francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. 06:15 mtj ok, off for a bit... 06:15 vinod1 so do i need to add call number in 952 field also 06:15 vinod1 before importing the data 06:15 mtj wahanui: dude, i know... i was sitting next to him :) 06:15 wahanui mtj: excuse me? 06:17 mtj elephanta island... was a great day! 06:17 alex_a bonjour #koha 06:17 cait hi alex_a 06:17 cait vinod1: yes 06:18 mtj vinod1: yes, add callnumbe r-info to 952$o subfield... before import into Koha 06:19 vinod1 i have data in 082 $a and $b field please let me know in which format tags showl i add call number in 952 06:20 mtj vinod1: 952$o 06:20 mtj @marc 952o 06:20 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 952o 06:20 vinod1 in 952 only one field is there how can i add two fields as in 082 06:20 francharb 0/ mtj 06:21 mtj @marc 952$o 06:21 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 952$o 06:21 mtj @marc 245a 06:21 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 245a 06:21 mtj @marc 245$a 06:21 huginn` mtj: unknown tag 245$a 06:22 mtj hmm, i'm not having much luck with the MARC plugin :) 06:22 mtj @marc 245 06:22 huginn` mtj: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] 06:23 mtj aaah, it wants a space ' ' 06:23 vinod1 952$o is a full call number field so how can i use 082$a and $b in single 952$o 06:23 mtj @marc 952 o 06:23 huginn` mtj: unknown field/subfield combination (952/o) 06:23 mtj i always forget that... :/ 06:24 mtj vinod1: i have never used marcedit... so i would use a perl script - for that 06:25 mtj a perl script to manipulate for bib records... before import into Koha 06:25 cait vinod1: you have to combine both fields into one 952$b 06:25 mtj s/for/your/ 06:26 mtj ok, gotta scoot now.... 06:26 mtj ciao #koha 06:26 cait bye mtj 06:27 vinod1 means something like 952 $o500 KNM 06:27 vinod1 082$a 500$bKNM 06:28 magnuse kia ora #koha! 06:28 vinod1 is there any way so that 952$o field should automatically pick data from 082 at the time of importing? 06:29 cait welcome back magnuse :) 06:29 magnuse thanks cait 06:31 vinod1 is there any way so that 952$o field should automatically pick data from 082 at the time of importing? 06:34 cait no 06:36 vinod1 =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p1000$yBK 06:36 vinod1 =952 \\$aMAIN$bMAIN$p663$yBK 06:36 vinod1 =082 \\$a621.3$bKNO 06:36 vinod1 please tell me how can i add the call number in above items 06:37 vinod1 the record is only one 06:38 vinod1 for two or more items i have only one record and the call number is common how i can i add call number to each item 06:42 reiveune hello 06:52 samuel hi everybody! 06:58 paul_p good morning #koha 06:58 paul_p rangi = are you about ? ( and available for a few dozen of min to speak of Release process ? ) 07:05 julian_m hello 07:07 asaurat hi 07:18 gaetan_B hello #koha :) 07:29 kf good morning #koha 07:29 magnuse guten morgen kf 07:31 samuel good morning kf & magnuse 07:31 magnuse hiya samuel 07:31 paul_p hello kf & magnuse & samuel 07:32 kf hi magnuse, samuel and paul_p :) 07:32 magnuse bonjour paul_p 07:33 * kf wonders how to translate 'item floats' 07:35 samuel kf: in which language do you want to translate "item floats"? 07:36 asaurat kf: Freizugigkeitsbescheinigung 07:37 kf samuel: German - it's ok 07:37 kf I opted for describing it 07:37 kf "item stays where it was returned" 07:37 samuel yeah, sounds good 07:37 kf asaurat: Wildschwein? :) 07:38 asaurat ok, these are my two favorite words in German :D 07:38 samuel :-) 07:39 kf :D 07:41 esofiane Hi everybody 07:41 kf hi esofiane 07:42 rangi paul_p: i am now 07:42 paul_p rangi wonderful ! 07:43 paul_p so, my question was to know how you did the releases 07:43 paul_p (+ you wanted to speak of something yesterday) 07:45 rangi the hard bit is writing the release notes 07:46 rangi to roll the release i did 07:49 rangi perl Makefile.PL 07:49 rangi make 07:50 rangi make manifest tardist 07:50 rangi then you end up with a tar.gz 07:51 paul_p rangi about the release notes, I agree it's a big deal. I've started already, and will submit something before the release, for proof reading and/or comments 07:51 rangi but with git you can do 07:53 rangi git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-3.8.0/ master | gzip > koha-3.8.0.tar.gz 07:53 rangi gpg -sb koha-3.8.0.tar.gz 07:55 rangi md5sum koha-3.8.0.tar.gz > koha-3.8.0.tar.gz.MD5 07:56 rangi gpg --clearsign koha-3.8.0.tar.gz.MD5 07:57 rangi you also want to tag it in git 07:57 rangi with git tag annotate 07:58 rangi and branch too 07:58 paul_p tagging & branching, I was aware. I discover (and carefully write) the make manifest tardist & git archive ! 07:59 rangi what i did was make the tarball 07:59 rangi then install it in a vm 08:00 rangi to make sure it worked, before i brnached, tagged, and signed it etc 08:03 kf 12933 words need attention *sigh* 08:04 magnuse 34383 words need attention *2x sigh* 08:04 rangi heh 08:04 kf magnuse: ok, you win :) 08:05 magnuse or loose... 08:06 kf is that bokmal only= 08:06 magnuse but *a lot* of it is fuzzy strings that can just be ok'd :-) 08:06 kf ? 08:06 magnuse kf: yup 08:06 kf ouch 08:06 magnuse i try not to think about nynorsk at all 08:06 kf does it work? 08:06 magnuse not thinking about it? 08:09 magnuse or ok'ing? 08:19 kf not thinking about it :) 08:19 magnuse yeah, that works really well 08:20 magnuse i don't know nynorsk wel enough to do anything about it anyway... 08:23 kf :) 09:46 slef wahanui: faq? 09:46 wahanui i think faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 09:51 kf hi slef :) 09:51 slef hi all 10:54 drojf good day #koha 10:57 drojf slef: how long is the abstract for a kohacon paper supposed to be? 10:59 slef drojf: a reasonable paragraph, probably 100 words or less I think. 10:59 drojf ok thanks 10:59 slef drojf: as long as it needs to be to get passed by a reviewer 10:59 drojf :) 10:59 slef drojf: kf, Brooke or rangi might have tips. 10:59 slef we have had one abstract that looked like it could be the entire talk so far! 10:59 drojf heh 11:00 kf ;) 11:00 drojf no idea if i will be allowed to come to kohacon, the person in charge is gone until next week. but i still have some hope 11:14 * slef drafts an announcement about sponsorship 11:31 slef announcement emailed 11:32 slef thanks fredericd and magnuse ! 11:32 kf fredericd++ magnuse++ 11:33 magnuse huh? yay! 11:33 slef if anyone has time to turn that email into a post on koha-community.org before I do, that would be great 11:34 magnuse fredericd++ 11:58 slef "Sorry, this file type is not permitted for security reasons" 11:58 slef :-/ 11:58 * slef converts it 12:07 magnuse slef: exe ftw! 12:12 slef magnuse: it was svg. Can that even contain executable code? 12:12 magnuse no idea! 12:12 kf probably only missing in a list of allowed formats? 12:12 magnuse that would do it 12:21 slef no matter - converted 12:21 slef it accepted PNG 12:23 oleonard Hi all 12:24 slef hi all? 12:24 wahanui yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. 12:24 paul_p good morning oleonard 12:25 samuel i've the following error "Can't locate Log/Log Lite.pm in @INC" with sudoc loader: i think it's a problem with a missing perl module but which? 12:26 kf hi oleonard 12:26 kf samuel: not sure what the sudoc loader is? 12:26 magnuse samuel: my guess: Log::LogLite 12:27 samuel it is for french universities 12:28 kf ah, right 12:28 kf not sure then 12:29 samuel a bit long to explain. 12:30 kf it's ok, I work for bsz - we also have pica as software for our union catalog 12:30 kf I think i have an idea what it does :) 12:31 oleonard samuel: That's an error you're getting from Koha? 12:35 samuel yes and i've now another problem with the module "Log:: LogLite" when i want to make the install 12:35 samuel make test PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl "-Iblib/lib" "-Iblib/arch" test.pl 1..6 Can't locate IO/LockedFile.pm in @INC (@INC contains: blib/lib blib/arch /usr/share/perl/5.10 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at blib/lib/Log/Log 12:38 oleonard I don't find any reference to "LogLite" in Koha code 12:40 samuel this is the link of the tool which would be useful for us http://git.biblibre.com/?p=sudoc.git;a=summary 12:41 * oleonard passes the conversation to paul_p 12:41 slef package found: libio-lockedfile-perl - IO::LockedFile Class - supply object methods for locking files 12:42 slef package found: liblog-loglite-perl - Perl module that facilitates lightweight logging 12:42 slef 12:57 mveron Hi #koha 12:58 mveron After learning to create patches from KF I just commited my first enhancenment patch: Bug 7621 [ENH]- Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 12:58 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 12:59 mveron Hope I did it the right way :-) 12:59 magnuse mveron++ 13:02 samuel slef: i make on cpan "look Log::LogLite", it 's ok but the problem begin when i do "make test" 13:06 kyleh can the $KohaDates filter handle datetimes? Could that be the problem with the suspend reserves error? 13:09 kyleh nope, changed to datetime to date, no difference. 13:20 * mveron Has to give driving lessons to his daughter 13:20 mveron Bye #koha 13:22 kyleh tried a fresh install from master and got this: ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 2821: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '- biblionumber int(11) NOT NULL, - rating_value tinyint(1) NOT NULL, - ' at line 2 13:22 slef samuel: you probably wantto install packages not use cpan 13:23 slef kyleh: search the mysql tree for that near string, probably kohastructure.sql 13:25 magnuse kyleh: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668#c87 13:25 huginn` 04Bug 5668: blocker, P3, ---, mtj, Passed QA , Star ratings in the opac 13:29 paul_p (i'm about to push the follow-up for 5668 13:29 paul_p ) 13:31 samuel slef: that's what i do , instead of using cpan 13:34 kyleh the issue is the ratings table in kohastructure.pl, but I'm not sure what the problem is. 13:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #712 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:35 magnuse kyleh: have a look at the comments here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668#c87 13:35 huginn` 04Bug 5668: enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , Star ratings in the opac 13:35 magnuse paul_p is pushing a fix for it now 13:36 paul_p kyleh push fixed 2mn ago 13:36 kyleh paul_p, excellent! 13:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5668' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8070cef696c10aa67e10d321046b66d790aefeae> / Bug 5668 Error during during insall with web installer, Step 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b42d662542e7cd3186f7f6f9da4c1ea031635917> 13:45 benjix 14:44 benjix I need help 14:44 benjix can any one help out 14:44 benjix I install koha on opensuse11.4 14:45 benjix it was working but an update has changed everything 13:45 clrh hello 13:45 wahanui bonjour, clrh 13:45 benjix hi 13:46 benjix this problem displays 13:46 benjix how so i solve it? 13:46 clrh thx kf for your comment on 7956 I don't know very well the community workflow on translation (I know it's bad) I just know that before the patch I have "failed" in update and after it is ok 13:48 benjix k 13:48 benjix thnak 13:48 benjix who to restart apache2 13:48 benjix its missing from my installation 13:49 benjix how do I get it back? 13:49 oleonard Apache needs to be restarted, or it isn't installed? 13:52 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5345 [FOLLOW-UP] DataTables in Koha <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=468995e4b3874036951a3971215af757ca86d148> 13:53 magnuse looks like zebra/koha can index georgian script out of the box - yay! 13:54 benjix how to get it installed back is the major problem 13:55 oleonard benjix: If Apache is not installed I suggest you search for instructions on how to install Apache on opensuse. We're not experts on that. 13:57 oleonard benjix: I see there is an INSTALL file for opensuse but it's a couple of years old 14:06 * wizzyrea waves 14:08 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 14:17 wizzyrea kf: is the page better? 14:20 kf sorry, longer meeting 14:20 wizzyrea is np, I just got in 14:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #712: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/712/ 14:21 jenkins_koha veron: Bug 5668 Error during during insall with web installer, Step 3 14:21 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, P3, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , Star ratings in the opac 14:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #713 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 14:22 kf paul_p: remember to add marc veron to the history? :) 14:24 kf kyleh: about 7641 - the plugin should be included in the template, not in the pl file 14:28 * wizzyrea pokes for a signoff on 7953 14:28 wizzyrea bug 7953 14:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7953 trivial, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , opacuserjs to the sco template 14:31 kyleh kf: how does one include the plugin the template? 14:33 kf it's documented on the wiki 14:34 kf check the coding guidelines 14:34 kf coding guidelines? 14:34 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 14:34 slef wahanui: have a poisoned botsnack 14:34 wahanui thanks slef :) 14:34 slef wahanui: paul_p? 14:34 wahanui well, paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee. 14:35 slef wahanui: the issue? 14:35 wahanui the issue is, like, that his barcodes don't match what he entered into the system 14:35 slef wahanui: apache? 14:35 wahanui hmmm... apache is the ram hog 14:35 paul_p slef, here 14:35 slef paul_p: I was just wondering what wahanui would say about you 14:35 kf paul_p: taking advantage of you being here - add marc veron to the history! :) 14:35 paul_p true things ;-) 14:35 paul_p kf yep 14:35 kf thx :) 14:41 magnuse nengard++ for all the help files 14:41 nengard :) 14:41 nengard still working 14:43 kyleh kf: thanks, I thought the KohaDates plugin was included in all templates already. 14:43 kf only in templates where it's used 14:43 kf I think at the moment it's still a work in progress, some modules are covered, but not sure all 14:44 kf julian_m and asaurat did a bunch during hackfest 14:50 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 14:54 drojf hi jcamins 15:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7902 - Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=012c6df0015b68dfa390d6ed4faedbc42c8af9ce> / Bug 7936: Reports Help Files for 3.8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=382797340846c1455b7302f1c16945be0ba3af8d> / Bug 7936: Patron Help Files <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a99852ccf8643c3f1 15:03 esofiane Bye :) 15:07 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #713: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/713/ 15:07 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 5345 [FOLLOW-UP] DataTables in Koha 15:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , DataTables in Koha 15:08 jenkins_koha Starting build #714 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:16 reiveune BYE 15:47 kf wizzyrea++ thank youQ 15:47 kf thank you! even 15:47 wizzyrea yw 15:47 kf and bye all and have a nice weekend :) 15:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #714: SUCCESS in 46 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/714/ 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: 3.8 Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Help file for Lists 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Cataloging Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Tools Help for 3.8 15:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7936 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , general ticket for 3.8 help file updates 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Tags help file 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Marc Export Help File 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Authorities Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Suggestion help file 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Comments Moderation Help File 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Holds Help File for 3.8 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Circ Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Label Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Patron Card Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Catalogue Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Patron Help Files 15:54 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7936: Reports Help Files for 3.8 15:54 jenkins_koha * cnighswonger: Bug 7902 - Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables 15:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7902 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Adding Function to Check for Existence of Tables 15:58 nengard 2 more folders of help files! almost there 16:18 slef Changes submitted for bug 7729 - there's a patch for new_bib which needs signoff, please. 16:18 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , svc API should allow modification of items 16:18 slef no string changes AFAIK 16:26 gaetan_B bye! 16:31 nengard oleonard around? 16:31 oleonard Yes 16:32 nengard you got the offline circ ff plugin to work right? 16:33 nengard would you mind giving me some tips? cause it's still not working for me and i need to document it and write the help file 16:33 oleonard What's not working? 16:34 nengard i put a barcode in the checkin and it doesn't save or go in the log - i do the same on checkout and it doesn't save or go in the log 16:35 nengard basically it doesn't do anything 16:35 jwagner nengard, see my update on Bug 7524 -- same problem, there are underlying errors 16:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7524 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Make it possible to generate a .koc file using the Firefox KOCT plugin 16:35 nengard does the server field need an http:// 16:35 nengard hmmm 16:35 oleonard In mine it has it nengard 16:35 nengard k 16:35 nengard i'll try that 16:36 nengard once i get FF to retart 16:36 nengard it crashed 16:36 * wizzyrea retarts firefox all the time, the little web vixen. 16:36 nengard grrrr lost everything i had open :( 16:36 oleonard My problem is usually not getting it to restart but getting it to stop altogether when I want it to 16:37 jcamins I think I'll continue using Chrome. 16:37 jcamins (not for offline circ, just generally) 16:38 jcamins wizzyrea: how do you end up with a gazillion tabs if you're always restarting the browser? 16:38 oleonard Session restore? 16:38 wizzyrea re-tart not restart 16:38 jcamins lol 16:38 * wizzyrea made a funny that wasn't funny. 16:38 jcamins I missed that. 16:39 wizzyrea plus, I use chrome P 16:39 wizzyrea :P 16:41 slef mmmm... apple retarts 16:41 wizzyrea :) 16:41 slef wizzyrea: do you hate freedom? ;) 16:41 wizzyrea do you? 16:42 slef well I have chromium installed but I only use it for video 16:42 wizzyrea admittedly, I don't eat fries, french or otherwise. 16:42 wizzyrea oh oh 16:42 slef its user interface makes me want to kill its makers 16:42 wizzyrea that freedom. 16:42 * wizzyrea uses chromium on linux, chrome on mac 16:42 slef it's missing features and there are next to no add-ons 16:42 wizzyrea hmm 16:43 slef it's very hard to stop it leaking all your data to google and websites 16:43 jcamins wizzyrea: not even sweet potato fries? 16:43 wizzyrea well ok, sometimes those. 16:43 oleonard Mmmm... french fries... 16:44 jcamins wizzyrea: I thought so. Who can resist sweet potato fries? 16:44 slef I think bad browsers like chrome is why we now have cookielaw.org 16:44 jcamins No one, that's who! 16:44 * oleonard checks the clock for proximity to lunch time 16:44 wizzyrea oleonard: I think it's past lunch time in your timezone 16:44 oleonard 1PM for me 16:44 wizzyrea ah so 16:44 slef *** Time by oleonard is Friday, April 13, 2012 12:44:22 PM 16:45 slef :) love ctcp 16:45 nengard k - whole computer crashed 16:46 nengard i think it's time for lunch - then i'll try this ff plugin thing again 16:46 nengard worst case i don't write a help file for it yet 16:46 * oleonard is now getting "authentication failed" from the KOCT 16:48 * wizzyrea will try it 16:48 nengard_lunch that's more than i got 16:48 nengard_lunch i was gonna record it but then my computer crashed 16:48 nengard_lunch really going to lunch now :) hehe 16:51 * oleonard gets nothing in the KOCT log when using it in Ubuntu 16:53 wizzyrea well I got it to work on ff on mac 16:53 wizzyrea but what's the difference between "apply directly" and "commit to koha" 16:54 wizzyrea commit to koha gives "success" and apply directly, if you haven't committed first, gives "added" 16:54 wizzyrea it would not do a renewal 16:55 wizzyrea check in seems to work ok 16:55 wizzyrea of course, you miss the "hold found" messages 16:55 wizzyrea if you check in one that's on hold for someone else 16:55 * wizzyrea double checks that 16:56 wizzyrea right. No hold found messages are processed anywhere. that's a bit of a bug I think. 16:57 wizzyrea at least you need to get a report out that says "hey you, double check this item" 16:57 jcamins wizzyrea: you mean for all check-ins? 16:57 wizzyrea for koct checkins 16:58 jcamins wizzyrea: right, I meant, all check-ins done using the KOCT plugin. 16:58 wizzyrea right 16:58 cait hi all 16:58 cait :) 16:58 wizzyrea hi cait :) 17:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Quick (hopefully) Question: How do you create a borrowers.db file to use with the Koha Offline Circulation tool? 17:14 cait YoungPublicLibrarian: I think you need to run a script on command line for that 17:14 cait I have never tried it out so far :( 17:14 wizzyrea it's in misc/cronjobs I think 17:14 wizzyrea create_koc_db.pl 17:15 YoungPublicLibrarian misc/cronjobs? I don't know what that means...:( 17:17 jcamins That's where the file is. 17:17 jcamins You'll probably need libeo to set it up for you. 17:18 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, maybe I should stop asking. Considering I haven't the slightest clue what libeo is either... 17:18 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: who is your support vendor? 17:18 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I meant your support vendor, whoever they are. 17:19 jcamins I thought I remembered hearing that they won an award for their work with you. :) 17:19 jcamins I also thought I remembered hearing that a support vendor called "Libeo" won an award. 17:19 jcamins I combined the two to conclude that you worked with a vendor called Libeo. ;) 17:21 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah! Bywater Solutions is our vendor... 17:21 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: whoops... got you confused with a different library, I think. You're not located in Quebec, are you? 17:22 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: ByWater can generate the offline circulation database for you. 17:22 wizzyrea remember that it's always a skosh out of date 17:22 wizzyrea ad you'll have to remember to download it *before* you go offline 17:22 jcamins Sometimes more than a skosh. 17:22 wizzyrea otherwise it's no use to you 17:22 wizzyrea or of less use. 17:25 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah okay. Well we haven't actually went live yet. But our old system is crashing and the director wanted to use the offline tool until our Koha system went live... 17:26 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you'd need to talk to ByWater about that... I don't it'd work unless you made your old system entirely read-only until go-live. 17:28 YoungPublicLibrarian Hmm...from what the director said ByWater suggested using it. Our old system is Voyager... 17:28 wizzyrea and it won't process renewals or fill holds. How long are we talking about 17:28 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: well, you'll definitely need to talk to ByWater. 17:29 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzyrea: We go live on the 23rd of April 17:29 YoungPublicLibrarian Jcamins: Okay, thanks for all the information! 17:30 wizzyrea a week would be a long time on offline circ 17:30 jcamins I wouldn't want to use offline circ as a stopgap for more than a few days, because you won't be able to handle renewals or holds, and if ByWater doesn't have a completely current dump of your Voyager database, it'll get very, very confused. 17:30 wizzyrea right, and no adding patrons, no deleting patrons 17:30 jcamins No collecting fines. 17:31 jcamins Probably no reshelving, due to the holds issue. 17:31 wizzyrea in some ways it might be better to just use a spreadsheet, and track cards/items that way 17:31 jcamins ^^ 17:31 wizzyrea and track renewals in a separate file 17:31 wizzyrea and checkins 17:31 wizzyrea because then, when you go back and put the data in on your live system 17:31 YoungPublicLibrarian I thought you could use the offline circ for collecting fines? 17:31 wizzyrea all of the usual things happen. 17:32 * wizzyrea was just looking at it 17:32 wizzyrea I saw no place to collect fines. 17:32 wizzyrea at least not using the firefox addon 17:33 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, no ByWater told us never to use the firefox addon because it was broke. They have a downloadable tool that we install on the computer and use as an application... 17:33 wizzyrea do note, we have 40 libraries, and we use a spreadsheet. 17:33 YoungPublicLibrarian We have over 70 libraries...but I'm sure we could manage it... 17:34 wizzyrea i haven't used the app one lately, last time I tested it, it was broken in ways that made me not want to use it. 17:35 wizzyrea but that has been a while 17:35 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: even if that supports fine collection, the reason I had in mind that you couldn't collect fines was that until ByWater gets the final dump from your Voyager database, the fine information in Koha will be unreliable. 17:35 jcamins wizzyrea: looks like it was last updated in October 2010. 17:35 wizzyrea not to mention not updating 17:35 YoungPublicLibrarian Here is the link that ByWater provided us: http://millruntech.com/downloads/koha-offline-circulation/windows/19-koha-offline-circulation-1-2-setup 17:35 wizzyrea sounds like a mess 17:35 wizzyrea yep, that's the version I last tested. 17:36 YoungPublicLibrarian Yeah, a mess sums up the entire situation! :/ 17:36 YoungPublicLibrarian Wizzyrea and Jcamins: Thanks for all the help! At least I understand a bit more than I did before! 17:37 wizzyrea I don't mean to sound negative - I don 17:37 wizzyrea really don't 17:37 wizzyrea it's just - a week is a long time, you probably have pretty high volume 17:37 wizzyrea no renewals, no holds processed, no fines processed (or it would be very messy if it was) 17:37 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: you might try using Voyager's offline circ, then shut down the OPAC a day early, and spend that day replaying the circs so that you can give ByWater a current dump? 17:38 * jcamins hasn't tried that. 17:38 jcamins And I have no idea how long replaying offline circs takes in Voyager. 17:38 wizzyrea jcamins: I think their server is like, deaths door crashing 17:38 jcamins wizzyrea: right, so it only has to be up for one day. 17:38 YoungPublicLibrarian ^^ Exactly! 17:38 YoungPublicLibrarian We haven't been able to catalogue in almost three weeks! :( 17:39 wizzyrea yikes. 17:39 jcamins I think spreadsheets are the way to go. 17:40 jcamins A week is a *long* time, though. 17:42 YoungPublicLibrarian And very few people in at least half the libraries in our system have any decent understanding of spreadsheets...:S 17:42 wizzyrea here's what we do 17:42 wizzyrea column A: patron 17:42 wizzyrea column b: book barcode 17:42 wizzyrea returns can go in column d or e or f or wherever 17:43 wizzyrea then, when you are ready to replay them, you grab a page 17:43 wizzyrea and go at it, copy/paste style. 17:43 wizzyrea it's tedious. 17:43 wizzyrea it'll take a while 17:43 wizzyrea but it will work 17:43 wizzyrea and you won't miss things. 17:43 cait hm 17:43 cait you could also use 2 text files 17:43 cait one for returns and one for checouts 17:43 wizzyrea that has been done too 17:43 cait and scan the barcodes in there 17:44 wizzyrea we like spreadsheets because the data is segregated 17:44 cait but always be careful... whatever you use 17:44 wizzyrea yea, no crazy scanning. 17:44 wizzyrea go slowly, be aware. 17:44 wizzyrea like riding a motorcycle. 17:44 wizzyrea responsibly. 17:45 YoungPublicLibrarian It would take me 10 minutes to explain how to set up and use just the columns to most of the people in my library alone... 17:47 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: I don't think the offline circ option would be *easier*. 17:47 wizzyrea well, you've got two options - get the data and processes right, or use the offline circ 17:47 wizzyrea and really, confusion wise 17:47 wizzyrea they're about equal. 17:47 jcamins Except some people will know how to use spreadsheets. 17:47 wizzyrea and no one will know how to use offline circ. 17:47 jcamins Right. 17:50 talljoy_away YoungPublicLibrarian: hi! if you plan to use the offline circ tool, you will need a borrowers.db file and that can be given to you before your official go live date. 17:51 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: here's a suggestion: you have highschoolers as pages in a bunch of your libraries, right? 17:51 jcamins They're probably there during your peak periods. 17:51 jcamins Have them at the circ desks. 17:51 talljoy_away ha! more tech savvy than their elders often! 17:52 wizzyrea at least trained in excel. 17:52 jcamins talljoy_away: most of them will be able to figure out Excel, at least. 17:52 jcamins Increasingly, using spreadsheets is a skill taught in highschool. 17:53 jcamins Maybe even elementary or middle school, though I don't know anyone who has been to either of those recently. 17:53 talljoy my 8 year old knows spreadsheets better than me. lol 17:53 jcamins There you go. 17:53 talljoy had to create graphs for his science project. he had to teach me. 17:53 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: make the next week "bring your child to work week." 17:53 talljoy LOL 17:56 jcamins I am not entirely joking. 18:02 YoungPublicLibrarian That's not a bad idea...except it would be bring your "grand child" to work week! And only our school libraries have high schoolers for pages...Which is only about a third of our system... 18:03 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: who do you have for pages in your public libraries? 18:04 druthb o/ 18:04 talljoy hi druthb! 18:07 YoungPublicLibrarian We don't...there are cataloguers and circulation assistants...most of our libraries do not use pages... 18:08 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: and the circ assistants do shelving? 18:10 * druthb catches up from the logs. 18:10 druthb jcamins, wizzyrea, talljoy: Part of the problem with using Voyager offline circ, as I understand it from George at Latah, is that it only does checkouts--not checkins. *INSANE* 18:11 jcamins druthb: yeah, but they can't reshelve anything anyway. 18:11 talljoy right, i guess i was referring to the offline Koha circulation. 18:11 jcamins druthb: because the Koha offline circ won't catch holds anyway. 18:12 talljoy right. and no fines 18:12 * druthb nods 18:12 YoungPublicLibrarian yes, circ assistants do shelving, circ desk, computer support, and anything else needed in the library.... 18:14 druthb YoungPublicLibrarian: you're using Mibbit to chat with us in here, aren't you? Look up there^^^ there's *at least* one box flashing, indicating private messages for you. :) 18:16 YoungPublicLibrarian druthb: LOL! Why yes I am! But they aren't flashing, just grey tabs showed up...and I was completely oblivious to them! 18:16 druthb :) 18:16 talljoy :-D 18:17 * druthb can't hardly use Mibbit--the message boxes are a little *too* unobtrusive; I have my Pidgin set to scream like a banshee when someone PMs me. 18:18 talljoy my pings and pings and pings all day. whenever you say my name! heh 18:19 oleonard Everyone be considerate to talljoy and only say talljoy's name when you really have something to say to talljoy 18:19 talljoy lol 18:19 talljoy ping ping 18:19 talljoy ping 18:19 druthb oleonard: That talljoy is pretty darn amazing, isn't she? 18:19 jcamins oleonard: stop picking on talljoy. 18:19 talljoy talljoy? 18:19 wahanui I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends 18:19 talljoy may need to update that to "enjoys seeing her name in lights" lol 18:19 cait hehe 18:20 * jcamins uses irssi, the ultimate in unobtrusive messaging. 18:23 nengard i think i'm done with the help files 18:24 nengard at the very least all the links to the manual are updated 18:24 nengard we might need some new help files ? hopefully not 18:34 jcamins nengard: I bet you could write a unit test for xt/ that would check automatically that everything had a help file. 18:34 nengard maybe someone could :) not sure if I could 18:34 jcamins It would also force people to provde help files when they add new features. 18:39 nengard what field populates the biblio.copyrightdate field? 18:39 nengard the 008 or the 260? 18:42 nengard jcamins? 18:42 wahanui somebody said jcamins was an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra 18:43 nengard hehe 18:43 cait 260 18:43 cait you cna only map fields 18:43 nengard thanks cait 18:43 cait not controlfields 18:43 cait you can see it in the koha-to-marc-mappings 18:43 jcamins Yes? 18:43 jcamins Oh. 18:47 nengard :) 18:53 jcamins We should put the items table on the MARC and Labelled MARC views in the staff client, now that it no longer shows up in the MARC. 19:03 oleonard OPACViewOthersSuggestions doesn't seem to be working as I imagine it should 19:04 oleonard If AnonSuggestions and OPACViewOthersSuggestions are both on shouldn't I be able to see all suggestions even if I'm not logged in? 19:04 oleonard And if AnonSuggestions is off, should I have to be logged in to view others' suggestions? 19:12 oleonard Ugh, it's a mess. 19:16 cait oleonard: agreed 19:16 cait but yeah, only works if you are logged in 19:27 JesseM Card Catalogs still have a use! :P http://vimeo.com/39461899 19:28 rangi morning 19:28 cait morning rangi 19:29 druthb hi, rangi! :) 19:30 jcamins Morning. 19:30 wahanui morning is a state of mind. 19:31 jcamins JesseM: you could make it into a turing machine by using a wall of card catalogs for the game of life. 19:31 druthb morning is also whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:31 wahanui okay, druthb. 19:31 jcamins Morning 19:31 jcamins Morning? 19:31 wahanui i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:31 jcamins Morning. 19:31 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 19:31 jcamins Hehe. 19:35 rangi https://kohakenya.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/r-i-p-the-kardex/ 19:47 rangi slef: about? 19:55 cait t 19:55 rangi g 19:55 cait was so quiet :) 19:56 rangi :) 19:57 cait dpavlin++ 19:57 rangi i have that effect 19:57 cait lol 19:59 nengard @later tell paul_p i finished the help files and they're attached to bug 7936 Thanks!! 19:59 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded. 20:16 oleonard Happy weekend all 20:16 cait happy weekend oleonard 20:16 cait hah! i did it before you logged out :) 20:16 cait and meaning it too :) 20:16 oleonard :) 21:16 slef rangi: no. why? 21:19 rangi cant remember, mustnt have been important 21:20 slef hehehe 21:21 slef new_bib?items=1 maybe? 21:21 slef or something I stuffed up on sponsorship... 2 so far today 21:22 rangi oh, kohacon, anymore things you want me to review 21:22 rangi excellent! 21:22 slef erm not sure. probably. 21:22 slef how many do you want? 21:23 rangi hmm a couple? 21:24 rangi how are we looking numbers wise for speakers now? i figure we need about 7 per day? (of conf itself) 21:26 slef not sure. I need to count up but haven't had chance today 21:26 rangi sweet as 21:26 rangi i might send another mail to the list 21:26 rangi 7 days until call for papers close 21:27 rangi think it's a good idea? 21:27 wizzyrea more reminders are never a bad idea 21:27 wizzyrea see how it worked for jcamins and his authorities dev? ;) 21:27 wizzyrea HINT HINT NUDGE NUDGE 21:27 rangi :) 21:28 rangi ill try to sign off your new_bib thing this evening too slef 21:29 slef yes it's a good idea. I really must repost this one to LIS-KOHA too 21:29 rangi ahh yes 21:29 rangi good idea 21:31 rangi on its way 21:32 slef wizzyrea: 2 people report not getting the sponsor form autoreply today. I'm going to check the form settings, but are you able to check the webserver mail logs if needed? 21:32 slef form settings look OK 21:32 slef mailing them and grabbing times and IPs to message you 21:34 wizzyrea sure I can check 21:34 wizzyrea (but it's almost time for me to go, just fyi - gotta pick up the kiddo) 21:36 slef except I'm an idiot and deleted the form times and IPs 21:38 slef but the recipient email addresses are with you now 21:38 slef no rush. I've remailed them the info 21:39 slef they're both using outsourced anti-spam 21:39 slef I bet it traps wordpress forms 21:40 slef and that folks is why I hate outsourced anti-spam. It's too often out of control rubbish that causes trouble. 21:40 rangi yup 21:40 slef rangi: I bet you loved using gmail at a previous workplace... 21:40 rangi well it started off zimbra 21:41 rangi but yes moved to gmail 21:41 wizzyrea ah yea it might be spam related - it's ec2 so hard to get reverse DNS for it 21:41 wizzyrea well, not SO hard. 21:42 wizzyrea I just don't recall if I *did* or not. 21:42 slef I'll check 21:42 rangi and yeah, running your workmail through gmail .. not something id do 21:42 slef yeah, there's reverse DNS 21:42 wizzyrea oh good so it's not *that* 21:43 slef ec2-174-129-1-205.compute-1.amazonaws.com, but it's still good 21:43 * slef has been postmaster almost as long as webmaster 21:47 wizzyrea slef, must be spam catching - it's not stuck in the queue 21:47 wizzyrea and looks like it technically sent ok 21:47 slef wizzyrea: can you se... right, thanks. 21:47 slef questions answered before they're asked :) 21:47 rangi :) 21:47 wizzyrea i'm efficient like that ;) 21:47 slef wizzyrea++ 21:48 slef biab 21:48 wizzyrea do lmk if you see a lot of that though 21:48 wizzyrea it would be nice to know why people think it's spam 21:52 rangi it could be just that wordpress forms were(are?) used a lot to spam through 21:52 wizzyrea could be 21:54 rangi ok, off to hang out with the hippies and peaceniks 21:55 rangi 30th anniversary of wellington becoming nuke free 21:55 rangi have good weekends all 22:42 ibeardslee rangi: wow, didn't know that. 22:44 jcamins_away lol 22:44 jcamins_away Reminders did seem to help with 7284, didn't they?