Time Nick Message 21:37 * magnus_afk does a little happydance for his 50th commit in koha, then promptly falls asleep 21:27 cait very late dinne! 21:21 slef bbl 21:21 slef but now is dinnertime 21:21 slef hi wizzyrea... I've still that problem on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsoring-kohacon12/ with the submenu in the top bar 21:03 YoungPublicLibrarian I would really like to continue this conversation, but I'm required elsewhere at this time. If you can would you email me an example of how to create such a report to shortycalvin@orofino-id.com? If you can't I understand. Thanks! 21:02 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, but could we get the spreadsheet to print out just one patron's information on one page? That way we could send out each page with separate information on it. 21:01 slef and then mailmerge or whatever 21:00 slef not sure, but you could get a spreadsheet out of a report 20:58 YoungPublicLibrarian In fact, if its a report we could make it just be able to be printed out instead of emailing the pages to the library... 20:57 YoungPublicLibrarian That would work too, but our Vendor told us that reports are more of an administrative thing... 20:57 slef YoungPublicLibrarian: not sure about a notice, but I think a Report would be possible. 20:55 YoungPublicLibrarian out to the patron without worrying what else would be on the paper. This is what I'm trying to figure out how to do... 20:54 YoungPublicLibrarian I'm asking this question out of curiosity and no idea of how it would actually work: Is it possible to create a notice that would gather all the patron's with Overdues and send it to one email that the library used? That way we could print it out? Right now our system prints out a page for each patron's account that has overdues and we can send just that page 20:17 * sekjal also departs, and wishes all those in #koha well 20:11 slef rangi: oh well. I'll speak no ill of the dead. 20:10 * oleonard bids #koha a good weekend 20:10 rangi Never worked on log stuff 20:09 * slef checks the paypal account limits 20:09 rangi Nope 20:09 slef rangi: is it your fault that viewlog.pl has a do_it parameter? 20:09 rangi Do it! 20:08 huginn` slef: Highest karma: "rangi" (542), "oleonard" (471), and "wizzyrea" (320). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-73), and "-" (-44). You (slef) are ranked 13 out of 2008. 20:08 slef @karma 20:08 sekjal oooh, less than $1000 for ticket to Edinburgh.... 20:06 cait yay! slef++ 20:04 slef http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsoring-kohacon12/ 20:04 cait you could still go back to the main templates :) 20:01 oleonard I shouldn't have started on the help templates. Better to have gotten further in the main templates. 19:59 oleonard The job will have to be left half done for this release. 19:58 oleonard I saw that. Thanks. 19:58 cait tiny 19:58 cait oleonard: I did some follow ups 19:58 slef oleonard: my eyes are grey and my hair is weak... 19:58 cait I had hoped... there weren't many more... 19:58 cait *sigh* 19:58 oleonard slef: Not bombing so much today, my eyes are growing weak 19:57 oleonard Over 150 left cait 19:57 slef is oleonard patchbombing us again? :) 19:55 cait ouch 19:55 oleonard Too many! 19:54 cait oleonard: how many more until you are done? :) 19:39 rangi :) 19:39 rangi yeah and it will give people a good film to go watch 19:38 oleonard Sounds fine to me 19:38 slef Alec Guinness before he became more famous for "they scare easily, but they'll be back and in greater numbers than before" and so on. 19:37 slef even if you don't know the film 19:37 slef is "Kind Hearts" OK as a title for the lower level? 19:37 oleonard Not to me 19:36 slef maybe-final question: is the film Kind Hearts and Coronets much known outside the UK? 19:27 slef rangi++ 19:25 rangi done 19:20 rangi ill do koha and koha-dev 19:20 rangi yeah 19:19 slef the koha list probably doesn't need many words 19:19 cait there are some words above the form.. but not many 19:18 rangi got words for me, or shall i just make some up? 19:18 rangi i can do that 19:17 * cait volunteers rangi or slef to mail the list about it 19:17 rangi slef: soft launch, its all the rage 19:17 cait moving forward! 19:17 slef http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/registration/ 19:16 slef yeah... that wasn't entirely intentional but hey, it's there now 19:16 * rangi registers 19:16 cait the registration form is online :) 19:16 rangi evening cait 19:15 rangi slef: yep, tongue firmly in cheek on that one 19:15 slef rangi: yeah. Suspect that won't go down well in Edinburgh. Not the most glam side of the city, that. 19:15 cait morning rangi 19:13 rangi slef: trainspotting :) 19:12 rangi gmcharlt: rocky horror picture show was written by an nzer, so has a tie in :) 19:10 jcamins Happy holidays, #koha. 19:08 slef mmmm, Shallow Grave was set in Edinburgh... best not call the lower level "shallow pockets" though. 19:04 oleonard http://www.filmsite.org/cultfilms4.html 19:04 cait apart from that it sounds not bad to me 19:04 cait but you want people to do more than the nifty fifty I think? 19:04 cait hm 19:03 slef good/bad/shoot-me-now? 19:01 slef "the nifty fifty" has been suggested 19:01 cait oleonard: I do feel sorry for you... we should get cookies 19:00 oleonard Oh I get it slef. Fully Monty is the top, you need the lower one. 19:00 oleonard cait: Mine too! 18:59 cait oleonard: my eyes start hurting... 18:59 slef something more interesting than "silver" 18:59 slef kohacon12 sponsorship packages 18:59 oleonard What's the context? 18:58 slef consistency in naming 18:58 slef oh anything related to "the full monty" 18:57 oleonard Why a cult film title slef? 18:57 gmcharlt Rocky Horror Picture Show? 18:56 slef So any suggestion for another cult film title for the lower sponsorship band? 18:55 oleonard But I would also think of the film 18:55 oleonard If someone used it in conversation I would think they meant "the whole thing" or "all the way" 18:54 slef do people think of "the full monty" as the film or something else? 18:50 cait can you give me the link again? I think I forgot to save it 18:50 cait cool -will continue testing then :) 18:49 fredericd cait: your email saying it doesn't work? because it should work now 18:44 magnus_afk a swedish system from a vendor called axiell 18:43 cait or forced to use...? 18:43 cait what is he using? 18:42 magnus_afk yeah, xmacex deserves better than a closed source ils... 18:34 jcamins Oh, that's really sad. :( 18:32 cait he explained - now I am sad 18:27 nengard was just wondering about that 18:26 jcamins The explanation for why it's kc.org? 18:25 cait gmcharlt++ :) 18:25 cait or that :) 18:24 gmcharlt an allergy to the color green? 18:24 cait our nice international release team? 18:24 cait of happiness I think? 18:23 oleonard ? 18:23 oleonard https://twitter.com/#!/xmacex/status/188329700689580032 18:20 cait fredericd: did you see my email about the pootle server? 18:20 cait fredericd++ 18:17 * slef returns to #kohacon 18:17 slef heh wrong channel 18:17 cait cool :) 18:17 * slef adds bits to registration form as emailed 18:16 cait hi slef 18:14 slef yengh 18:10 cait gmcharlt: thx :) 18:08 gmcharlt cait: it's the equivalent of the MARC21 008 field 18:08 fredericd gmcharlt: see private msg 18:08 cait what is in UNIMARC 100 ? 18:08 gmcharlt fredericd: ah, I see 18:07 fredericd several indexes are populated but not used elsewhere 18:05 gmcharlt fredericd: even in GRS-1 it doesn't index the UNIMARC 100 properly? 18:03 fredericd gmcharlt: sure 18:03 fredericd indeed, currently Zebra doesn't index properly UNIMARC 100 field 18:03 gmcharlt fredericd: any changes you could send me a small file of UNIMARC bib records? 18:02 gmcharlt I'll try to put a patch together for tomorrow 18:02 gmcharlt well, it wouldn't be hard to add support for constructs like melm 100a foo:w:range(... 18:02 gmcharlt jcamins: indeed 18:01 jcamins We just don't index them yet. 18:01 cait sco main 18:01 jcamins gmcharlt: we have those in MARC21 for authorities and linking fields. 18:01 gmcharlt but not range() entries within a subfield 18:01 gmcharlt fredericd: the record.abs converting knows how to translate range() definitions for fixed fields 18:00 fredericd you mean you tweaked the MARC21 DOM for fixed fields? 17:59 gmcharlt fixed field possible in a subfield (e.g., the UNIMARC 100$a) 17:59 gmcharlt although I think there's one case it doesn't handle yet 17:57 gmcharlt fredericd: yay! 17:56 fredericd gmcharlt: DOM works like a charm with UNIMARC 17:55 jenkins_koha Master_Packages: last build: 33 (45 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/33/ 17:55 jenkins_koha Koha_master: last build: 702 (45 min ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/702/ 17:55 jenkins_koha Koha_Docs: last build: 44 (6 days 22 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/44/ 17:55 jenkins_koha Koha_3.6.x: last build: 44 (1 mo 2 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/44/ 17:55 jenkins_koha Koha_3.4.x: last build: 80 (1 mo 15 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/ 17:55 jenkins_koha Koha_3.2.x: last build: 36 (4 mo 4 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/ 17:55 jenkins_koha 3_6_Packages: last build: 7 (11 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/7/ 17:55 jenkins_koha status of all projects: 17:55 jcamins !jenkins status 17:55 jcamins Unstable? 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2733 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Can't print patron account 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6701 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , language on timeout system preference is wrong 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , OPAC search dies with plack 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7758 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Koha allowing LOST items to check out without alert 17:54 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 2733 - Can't print patron account 17:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7781 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Enhancements to the main page (first step) 17:54 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 2780 - Capitalize strings consistently (OPAC pages) 17:54 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 6701 - login timeout is in seconds 17:54 jenkins_koha * dpavlin: Bug 7847 - OPAC search dies with plack 17:54 jenkins_koha * mjr: bug 7894 [SIGNED-OFF]: crude fix: convert results array into an arrayref 17:54 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7758 - Koha allowing LOST items to check out without alert 17:54 jenkins_koha * adrien.saurat: Bug 7781 : enhancements on main page 17:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #702: UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/702/ 17:50 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #198 added. 17:50 slef @quote add <gmcharlt> hobgoblins are stealing our eyes! 17:44 sekjal my mother-in-law will be coming by to visit, so it may need to wait until Monday 17:43 jcamins Woohoo! 17:42 sekjal jcamins: I'll try to look at 7818 this weekend 17:42 sekjal back 17:18 gmcharlt hobgoblins are stealing our eyes! 17:15 cait for the sake of consistency! 17:15 cait too many... 17:15 cait hehe 17:15 * gmcharlt wonders how many people will go blind in the service of that bug ;) 17:13 cait :) 17:13 * jcamins doesn't really want to, thanks. :P 17:12 cait if you want to later, we need to talk :) 17:12 cait I am starting on it now 17:12 jcamins cait: not at the moment. 17:11 cait jcamins: are you working on 2780? 17:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #702 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 17:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7897 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , SocialNetworks doesn't fit in searching 17:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" 17:09 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 5549 follow-up DBRev number 17:09 jenkins_koha * mjr: bug 5549: change to kohastructure.sql missing from commit 8cea8e5cc05075dc391194248d31a54586389601 17:09 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7897: Move the SocialNetworks syspref to the Opac tab 17:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib 17:09 jenkins_koha * magnus: Bug 7445 - Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" 17:09 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 7613 follow-up DBRev number 17:09 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 7613 follow up to fix perlcritic errors 17:09 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7613: OCLC Connexion gateway 17:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #701: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/701/ 17:02 cait bye clrh :) 17:02 clrh have a good week end all 16:52 cait takes lots of space 16:52 cait ah yes 16:52 gmcharlt cait: about 330K of the Konstanz records are now being indexed -- I realized I didn't have quite enough disk on the VM to index them all 16:45 cait have a nice weekend 16:45 cait bye paul_p 16:45 paul_p OK, ladies and gentlemen, have a good (and holy) week-end ! it's time to go back home for me. 16:45 * jcamins finally eats some kuchen. 16:42 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2733 - Can't print patron account <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f87085e65ec90c14cc7dd77a47658380e21f4645> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_2780' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a6f09cdc8018d18ccf94efd6bb9d0f7688833e2> / Bug 2780 - Capitalize strings consistently (OPAC pages) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff; 16:42 cait that's not the one 16:42 cait hm no 16:41 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Parcel closing in acq 16:41 cait bug 5339 16:40 cait which I think is an argument for including it 16:40 cait and it would match the other interface 16:40 cait what i can do is give the bug a sign off you asked for 16:40 cait I noted on some bugs 16:40 cait there are lots 16:40 cait I am worried about warnings in the logs in acq modle 16:40 cait I think i will not go against ian 16:39 paul_p cait for acq features, I think they'll wait for 3.10 (I can't QA them myself, and Ian suggested to delay them because they're large. If you can convince someone else of the QA team ;-) ) 16:39 * wizzyrea can look at those capitalization ones 16:37 cait too much - need help! 16:37 cait *sigh* 16:37 cait there are also some interesting acq featues 16:37 jcamins I spent over an hour signing off on that two days ago! 16:37 cait oleonard did more :) 16:37 cait yep 16:36 jcamins Needs signoff?!? 16:36 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently 16:36 paul_p cait, just about to send a mail about bug 2780 & a few hours before string freeze ! 16:36 jcamins paul_p: there's nothing wrong with Tuesday. ;) 16:36 cait or already too late? 16:36 paul_p jcamins & gmcharlt = monday is a holiday in France. 16:36 cait paul_p: I am going to look at some more string patches today 16:35 gmcharlt paul_p: you have better things to do on an Friday evening? ;) 16:35 paul_p ;-) 16:35 paul_p (and I can push them after string freeze, because: 1- it should not change anything if you don't use it. 2- no string changes) 16:35 jcamins paul_p: well, there are no string changes, so it'll keep until Monday, I suppose. :) 16:35 paul_p jcamins not for today ;-) 16:35 jcamins paul_p: ten *great* patches for you on that bug. :) 16:31 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 16:31 jcamins sekjal: Bug 7818 is waiting for your QA. Should be pretty painless, as it works a charm. 16:28 gmcharlt there are not 16:25 jcamins gmcharlt did his development in a branch, so I don't think there are any patches currently on the bug. 16:25 jcamins paul_p: yeah, I've had that problem too. 16:25 paul_p not 100% sure, but I think 16:25 paul_p I think yes. BUT be carefull with -e option, i feel there are some problems when you want to attach X bugs (X>1) because you can obsolete on every bug, and obsolete patches that just have been uploaded a few seconds before) 16:23 cait gmcharlt++ jcamins++ :) 16:22 jcamins Is the best thing to do to use git-bz to attach all the patches to the bug? 16:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 16:22 jcamins I'm prepared to sign off on bug 7818. 16:22 paul_p jcamins for a few minuts yes 16:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #701 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:22 jcamins paul_p: around? 16:22 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add ability to suspend reserves. 16:21 jenkins_koha * kyle: Bug 7641 - Add ability to suspend reserves - Followup 16:21 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: 7368 Followup for indentation in VirtualShelves.pm 16:21 jenkins_koha * tajoli: Italian translation teams 16:21 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #700: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/700/ 16:18 jcamins But way less disk space. 16:18 jcamins gmcharlt: DOM indexing takes about the same amount of time. 16:15 jcamins sekjal: see above question? 16:14 jcamins Actually, that was a question for sekjal. 16:14 jcamins gmcharlt: I guess I should sign off on the patches and attach them to the bug? 16:13 Michael Hello? 16:02 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5549 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12027e0cb97c575251bc98447c3c53919542eebc> / bug 5549: change to kohastructure.sql missing from commit 8cea8e5cc05075dc391194248d3... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0df4c6a3ace12caed5e1ed421bdf2da643901b96> / Bug 7897: Move the SocialNetworks syspref to the Opac tab <http://git.koha-community.or 15:54 nengard that's super easy 15:54 nengard ooooo 15:54 gmcharlt one doesn't actually need the regexp; select biblionumber from biblioitems where marcxml like '%datafield tag="490" ind1="1"%' will work as well 15:53 nengard thanks gmcharlt will give a whirl :) 15:53 gmcharlt nengard: select biblionumber from biblioitems where marcxml regexp 'datafield tag="490" ind1="1"'; 15:39 nengard tips? 15:39 nengard Looking for some report help - i need a report to list titles that have an indicator of 1 in the first indicator field of the 490 15:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #700 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 15:32 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7641 - Add ability to suspend reserves - Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1dc3c0c2e7064880efc807ed35a09f7fa8b24bb> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7310' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef038b258ebfef315cea06bcf27d92eada86e9d7> / 7368 Followup for indentation in VirtualShelves.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a= 15:31 jcamins I didn't test non-XML indexing with GRS-1 again after we got the XML indexing working. 15:30 jcamins Oh, wait, one more test. 15:30 jcamins I'm sure there are issues that'll come up, but this seems solid enough for 3.8. 15:29 gmcharlt jcamins: ok, I've pusehd those clarifications to bug7818-dom-biblio-final as well 15:29 jcamins Okay, I'm comfortable to sign off with the addition of a commit noting that the koha-indexdefs file is the new canonical source for DOM indexing rules. 15:28 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7900 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Link to vendor from subscription details is broken 15:27 cait oh.. and new patch to sign-off on... very easy... with test plan... bug 7900 15:27 cait jcamins: I didn't even get there :) 15:27 paul_p ;-) 15:27 cait wb paul_p 15:26 * jcamins realizes he only got to the "unwrap butter" stage of making coffee cake. 15:25 * chris_n goes off in search of food 15:23 jcamins On the other hand, we already have a precedent for MARC21-only DOM indexing. 15:23 jcamins cait: it wouldn't be a bad idea. 15:22 cait should we be testing for normarc and unimarc too? 15:22 cait oh 15:22 jcamins Thanks. 15:22 jcamins For DOM. 15:22 gmcharlt jcamins: I'll push a commit to clarify 15:22 cait for dom and grs or only for dom? 15:22 jcamins Is that mentioned in a commit message, at least? 15:22 gmcharlt jcamins: nonetheless, I've pushed a commit to bug7818-dom-biblio-final to clarify 15:22 jcamins Going forward, we're going to be editing the koha indexdefs, not record.abs. 15:21 jcamins One more concern. 15:21 jcamins Actually, I guess it's okay as-is. 15:18 jcamins gmcharlt: did you change the paths in the generated by comment that the koha-to-zebra-indexdefs.xsl stylesheet produces? 15:17 gmcharlt jcamins: the bug7818-dom-biblio-final branch in the ESI wip repo has the cleaned-up commits 15:15 jcamins Never mind. 15:13 jcamins What is Storable::mretrieve? 15:13 cait but perhaps next year 15:13 cait oh, was hoping to meet you 15:13 gmcharlt cait: unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this year 15:13 cait nice 15:12 gmcharlt because the change will be implemented just in the index definition XSL, it will be a pretty safe backport 15:12 cait gmcharlt: any chance to meet you in edinburgh? :) 15:12 cait ah, ok :) 15:12 gmcharlt cait: not for cutoff, but I'll have it next week 15:11 cait gmcharlt: did you have time to include 880 fields? 15:11 cait gmcharlt: what I see I like too :) 15:09 reiveune1 bye 15:09 jcamins However, I'm feeling pretty good about it. 15:08 gmcharlt cool 15:08 jcamins gmcharlt: still poking. 15:08 gmcharlt jcamins: I want to push a branch that organizes the commits a little better -- are you comfortable signing off? 15:07 jcamins lol 15:07 jcamins It's not exactly the same as the previous functionality, but it's a reasonable approximation. 15:07 * gmcharlt realized last night that I didn't want to start getting a reputation for putting in features at the last minute that require reindexing all bibs upon upgrade ;) 15:07 jcamins Yes, I think so. 15:06 gmcharlt jcamins: right - and as I mentioned in the bug, using Title-cover seemed OK as a compromise 15:06 cait yay! 15:06 jcamins gmcharlt's adjustment to the rankings bring It back to the top of the results for "It." 15:05 cait gmcharlt: nice! 15:05 cait tübingen is really big, but they are very old and have lots of languages 15:05 jcamins wizzyrea: weren't you complaining about an issue with it? 15:05 gmcharlt to bring it to a total of 988611 bibs 15:05 cait ah, you selected Konstanz :) 15:04 gmcharlt cait: I'm in the process of loading more of the Universität Konstanz bib set into that database 15:04 cait more better than worse 15:04 jcamins Okay, never mind. 15:04 cait I think there is room for improvement- but really doesn't seem worse than before 15:03 jcamins It seems to be working the way I'd expect it now. 15:03 jcamins Odd... 15:03 jcamins Really? 15:03 gmcharlt jcamins: I left it be for the moment -- kinda needs to be on a separate bug anyway 15:02 jcamins You fixed the weighting, too, didn't you? 15:02 jcamins gmcharlt: nice work on the relevance ranking! 15:01 * jcamins wonders about search performance. 15:01 cait ok, correcting myself, I only killed the browser :) 15:00 chris_n please resurrect it when your finished cait 15:00 cait some weird characters in a search for se,phr 14:59 gmcharlt cait: how? 14:59 cait gmcharlt: I think i found a way to kill the opac 14:59 cait hi chris_n 14:59 chris_n cake ranks up there in english relevance ranking imho :) 14:58 cait and I think I killed my browser 14:58 cait :) 14:58 cait cake.. better circ... and i get german relevance ranking? 14:58 cait thx! 14:58 wizzyrea j/k, (kinda) thanks for explaining 14:58 gmcharlt cait: done 14:57 wizzyrea :) 14:57 * wizzyrea concedes that it may be over her head, goes back to making circ better. 14:57 cait cake... 14:57 cait ooh 14:57 * jcamins goes to make coffee cake. 14:57 jcamins *item 14:57 jcamins But GRS-1 doesn't allow you to say "they have to be the same record!" 14:57 gmcharlt wizzyrea: the main difference is that the DOM filter gives you a *lot* more control over how you set up what you want indexed 14:57 jcamins GRS-1 is "I want to have two indexes, one which can tell me if there's anything not lost on a record, and one that tells me if there's anything not checked out." 14:56 cait the other way 14:56 jcamins The second is still to advanced. 14:56 jcamins Actually, no. 14:56 jcamins DOM allows you to do the former. 14:56 jcamins wizzyrea: it's the difference between being able to say "I want an index which tells me all records which have at least one item which is not checked out and not lost" and only being able to say "I want an index which tells me which records have something not checked out and something not lost." 14:56 gmcharlt cait: sure, one sec 14:55 cait gmcharlt: I see it not working worse than before - could you perhaps activate UseControlNumber on that system? 14:55 cait so it is not weirder than before 14:55 cait hm ok 14:55 jcamins cait: that's how it works. Only, not the way you'd expect. Frequency is still kind of weird. 14:54 wizzyrea I admit i'm rather lost in the difference between the two. Is it just how they are stored? 14:53 gmcharlt wizzyrea: yep 14:53 cait but my second search for papyrus contradicts that 14:53 wizzyrea question re: dom vs grs-1 - incoming z39.50 searches can still happen right? 14:53 cait my first thought was that it ranked things higher, where the term occured more than once 14:53 cait not even for cookies? 14:52 * cait sniffs 14:52 jcamins cait: bahahahaha!!!! "How ranking works"... gmcharlt works miracles, but even he might find this problematic. ;) 14:51 cait gmcharlt: some information about how the ranking works or should work in general would help me testing 14:51 gmcharlt jcamins: I'm seeing similar results -- DOM taking up about half the disk space of GRS-1 14:51 cait but I see tha thappen in all our catalogs 14:50 cait it's kind of annoying 14:50 cait before monographs? 14:50 cait is there a reason it always ranks serials and sets first? 14:50 cait what i always wondered about 14:50 cait I like doing that - because in most ils it's a stop word :) 14:49 cait at first results have lots of der in the title 14:49 gmcharlt heh 14:49 cait I searched for 'der' an article 14:49 cait ok, my first search was mean, but results don't look bad 14:49 gmcharlt keyword searches on short titles, for one 14:49 cait how do you test for english normally? 14:49 cait not sure how to test tho 14:48 cait yes 14:48 cait oh 14:48 gmcharlt cait: http://galen.esilibrary.com - would you mind eyeballing and letting me know how relevance ranking for the German records looks? 14:48 cait gmcharlt: I think at least tübingen should have some original script records too.... 14:47 pastebot "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "Index space usage" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/333 14:46 jcamins gmcharlt: I should've bet against your guess that DOM indexing was going to explode the indexes. 14:46 jcamins Well I'll be. 14:43 cait magnus_afk: around? 14:42 cait wise :) 14:42 gmcharlt cait: well, I will be chopping it down to 5,000 to start ;) 14:41 cait gmcharlt: I think it's really too large for that purpose :) only advertising something nice we do 14:41 gmcharlt cait: thanks! 14:41 cait sekjal: it's just something I noted while testing and I would provide patches... but it's still a bit hard for me to figure out why something is going wrong 14:40 jcamins Of course, I might not understand what it's doing. 14:39 cait if you really mean that.. go here https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php?id=v-team:daten:openaccess:start 14:39 sekjal cait: I'll look into adding that to my QA workflow 14:39 gmcharlt cait: large is just fine 14:39 cait but probably too large 14:39 cait I could offer some ... :) 14:39 cait I could offer soe 14:38 * gmcharlt then goes in search of a large dataset 14:38 * gmcharlt blinks 14:37 jcamins gmcharlt: but GRS-1 requires about 4 blocks per thousand records, whereas DOM requires just over one. 14:37 cait I tihnk we activated use warnings in a lot of scripts and it was ok, and then we added new things... 14:36 cait to check I mean? 14:36 cait but perhaps someting qa could keep in mind too? 14:36 jcamins gmcharlt: nor would I. 14:36 cait or added to existing bugs the output of my logs while testing 14:36 cait I filed some bugs 14:35 sekjal cait: good point. ideally, we shouldn't get anything unexpected/undesired in our logs 14:35 gmcharlt jcamins: interesting -- I wouldn't have expected that 14:35 cait jcamins: yay! 14:35 jcamins I think the DOM filter may actually be vastly more efficient. 14:34 wahanui hmmm... weird is normal after a while :) 14:34 jcamins Weird... 14:34 cait lots of scripts lots of warnings 14:33 cait we really should fix that 14:33 cait sekjal: if you test... take a look at your logs sometime 14:33 cait but I think some bug squashing is needed 14:33 cait yep, I agree :) 14:33 cait :) 14:33 sekjal 3.8 is going to be awesome! 14:33 sekjal smashing evil bugs is worth getting excited about 14:31 cait sorry, I am getting too excited about this :) 14:31 cait another evil bug on it's way to h... 14:31 cait yay :) 14:31 sekjal slef cait: passed QA 14:30 wizzyrea aha 14:30 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 14:30 wizzyrea the first question is also or what is the goal? 14:30 slef wizzyrea: create paypal landing pages 14:30 slef [off] brb, family attacking! 14:29 wahanui well, the first question is "What are you trying to do?" 14:29 wizzyrea the first question? 14:29 cait slef: evil bug fixed - thanks goes to you :) 14:29 * wizzyrea would have to test that 14:28 slef cait: thank you! 14:28 slef wizzyrea: and/or do pages two levels down not appear on submenus? 14:28 wizzyrea which page? 14:28 cait magnus_afk: around? 14:28 cait slef: signed-off 14:28 * wizzyrea ponders this 14:28 cait hi wizzyrea :) 14:28 wizzyrea hmmmm 14:28 slef wizzyrea: on koha-community.org website 14:27 slef wizzyrea: can I make a page have a parent but not appear in the menus? 14:27 wizzyrea ! 14:27 slef wizzyrea: help! 14:27 * gmcharlt waves 14:27 * jcamins waves 14:26 * wizzyrea waves 14:26 cait slef: i didn't say that :) 14:25 slef learning from slef's mistakes 14:24 cait reading mail now :) 14:24 jcamins Oh, I see. 14:23 jcamins gmcharlt: what sould BIB_INDEX_MODE and AUTH_INDEX_MODE be set to? 14:21 jcamins :) 14:21 cait let me finish this (learning from slef... one thing at a time) and then i will check 14:21 cait oh 14:21 jcamins cait: I just sent a message to the list. 14:21 cait jcamins: ? 14:21 jcamins cait: does that clarify? 14:18 paul_p (well, not by chance, this will happen only if you decide ;-) ) 14:17 paul_p gmcharlt could you, by chance, find time to investigate the problem clrh & me have to push to contrib.git repo ? 14:17 * paul_p head to push a few patches that have passed QA 14:16 gmcharlt note that it adds two config entries to koha-conf.xml 14:16 gmcharlt jcamins: OK, I've pushed two commits that should straighten out -x for both DOM and GRS1 14:10 slef in future I'll wait until I can do one thing only! 14:10 slef third time lucky 14:10 slef Attached bug-5549-change-to-kohastructuresql-missing-from-c.patch 14:09 * cait hides 14:09 slef cait: AHDKjASHKDAHKJS 14:07 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" 14:07 magnus_afk sekjal: thanks for qa'ing Bug 7445! 14:06 cait slef: can you recheck the patch? looks the same to me, perhaps missing git add? 14:06 cait I am confusing my windows 14:06 * cait sighs 14:04 jcamins Does anyone have access to ISO standards without paying a fortune? 14:03 cait going to fix that 14:03 cait I see I sent my earlier mail from the wrong mail address 14:03 cait ah 14:03 cait :) 14:03 cait you do well ) 14:03 slef that's what I get for trying to redo a patch while I also manage kohacon12 sponsorship 14:02 slef damnit 14:02 slef upgrading from stable 14:02 cait will fix with my sign-off :) 14:02 cait I didn't say people should do that! :) 14:01 cait upgrading from table? ;) 14:00 cait starting tests... :) 13:59 slef Attached bug-5549-change-to-kohastructuresql-missing-from-c.patch 13:57 cait very cool, thx 13:57 slef new patch coming in 5mins 13:57 cait slef: can you do a new patch? 13:57 jcamins Makes sense to me. 13:56 wahanui i heard jcamins was an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra 13:56 cait jcamins? 13:56 * cait thinks about it 13:56 slef new patch coming in 5mins 13:56 slef I could remove the line from the earlier updatedatabase paragraph too 13:55 slef oh easier idea 13:55 jcamins Wrap it in some sort of if? 13:55 cait is there a way we could check for existance of the column? 13:55 slef cait: good point. We maybe could make the updatedatabase test for the column first. 13:55 cait so it will look like an error and people will ask about it 13:54 cait I am a bit unhappy with it because it will cause a red complaint for everyone starting from a stable installation 13:54 jcamins cait: and all the people who ignored my advice and installed master in production. 13:54 slef cait: it hurt me! 13:54 cait slef: it will most likely only hurt developers, or should only hurt them 13:54 slef cait: yes. Also, jcamins suggested it. 13:54 jcamins Yes. 13:54 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 blocker, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 13:54 cait slef: for bug 5549- do you think the upatedatabase is necessary? 13:53 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6700 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Better handling of version numbers in updatedatabase 13:53 cait hm 13:53 slef bug 6700 13:53 slef but that's when t/00-checkdatabase-version appeared 13:53 cait ah :) 13:53 slef damn pastebuffer error ;) 13:53 cait ? 13:53 slef Mon Aug 8 23:45:00 2011 +0200 13:53 slef cait: any bug cait: any bug Mon Aug 8 23:45:00 2011 +0200 13:53 cait so I will blame that 13:53 cait me neither, my git hook is new 13:52 slef cait: not sure when t/00-checkdatabase-version appeared 13:52 cait probably failed them before getting to the git comit 13:52 francharb see ya 13:52 francharb hi and bye all 13:52 cait that would be the easiest answer - but I did 13:52 slef cait: you've been testing bugs that don't updatedatabase? 13:52 slef cait: I've deleted t/00-checkdatabase-version.t in my deployment test branch 13:52 cait slef: yeah, wonder why I didn't run into this before 13:51 jcamins gmcharlt: so it's not going to work properly with -x without it? 13:51 slef cait: looks like a production-time test, should be ignored for development 13:51 cait oh I see 13:51 gmcharlt I'm working on a patch to rebuild_zebra.pl 13:50 cait 1..2 13:50 cait # XXX found in line 5151 13:50 cait # at t/00-checkdatabase-version.t line 48. 13:50 cait # Failed test 'installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl has no XXX in it' 13:50 gmcharlt jcamins: it doesn't let you specify a wrapper element -- just lets you tack on one <record> after another 13:50 cait and it confuses me 13:50 cait failing tests 13:50 slef cait: uhoh? 13:50 cait uhoh 13:50 jcamins_away What does it do wrong? 13:47 jcamins_away lol 13:47 gmcharlt I now know why -- Zebra's grs.sgml filter really ought to have been called grs.sgmlike 13:44 jcamins_away And I just caused a kernel panic. 13:44 cait that's a bit small 13:43 cait hm 13:43 jcamins_away The GRS-1 indexes on disk are 52kb. 13:43 cait uhoh?! 13:43 jcamins_away Uh-oh. 13:40 jcamins_away Or maybe I'm just more impatient the second time 'round. 13:40 jcamins_away I think DOM indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1. 13:39 * jcamins_away sighs and taps his toes. 13:39 oleonard Oh, maybe I did. 13:39 slef oleonard: oh ok. I thought you described it to mbalmer as a possible future problem, whereas I think it's a today one. 13:38 cait I think I remember having problems with one column name once 13:38 cait I think we do 13:38 oleonard Yes, I understand that. But I'm not sure mbalmer did. 13:37 slef oleonard: the mysql quoting problem is that koha may well already be using reserved words as column or table names. Not checked so not sure but it wouldn't surprise me. 13:36 slef cait++ 13:34 * cait starts wrangling bugs 13:34 * cait starts bug workin 13:34 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 blocker, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans 13:34 cait testing bug 5549 :) 13:28 cait yay! :) 13:27 jcamins_away Oooh, ampersand escaping even works properly. 13:25 jcamins_away Yay! My DOM-indexed installation worked! 13:25 oleonard Not universally 13:25 cait oleonard: no holiday in US today? 13:24 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one 13:24 jcamins_away bug 2399 13:20 gmcharlt lol 13:19 jcamins_away Heh. Every 10 seconds, the length of time left on the merge goes down by 5 seconds. 13:18 jcamins_away gmcharlt: only if you create a file called "null:" ;) 13:18 gmcharlt jcamins_away: so, does this dash our dreams of porting Koha to DOS? ;) 13:17 jcamins_away gmcharlt: call it "null:" and under DOS your system will stop responding. 13:15 * gmcharlt has discovered a strange and new way to break a dev installation -- if you've got any files in the tree with a : in their name, running make will fail with the error 'multiple target patterns. Stop.' 13:15 cait heh 13:15 oleonard I'm assuming the phrase is related to another English one, "in over my head." It appears the English have a fear of swimming. 13:14 cait don't be - I guessed right then :) 13:14 oleonard "out of my depth" means things are too difficult for me 13:14 oleonard Oh sorry 13:13 cait oleonard: not sure what out of my depth means :) but I am feeling a bit lost in this discussion about plack and search languages myself 13:12 jcamins_away gmcharlt: Once I've finished reindexing with collection.abs symlinked to record.abs, I'll try again with a blank collection.abs. 13:11 jcamins_away gmcharlt: ah, that makes sense. 13:11 cait can you explain that in simpler words please? 13:10 oleonard Lately I've felt quite out of my depth on the mailing list! 13:10 * cait provides some cookies 13:10 cait I am glad you 2 clever people are working on this 13:08 gmcharlt GRS-1's marcxml filter sees the root element of collection and wants to find a collection.abs 13:07 gmcharlt yes - the change to fix -x wrapped the XML export in a collection element to make it proper XML 13:07 jcamins_away Any idea why it started looking for collection.abs? 13:06 gmcharlt jcamins_away: also, when you have a moment (and back to the grs-1 filter), I'd be curious if making collection.abs be an empty file will be sufficient 13:04 gmcharlt jcamins_away: my heart will forgive you ... eventually :P 13:03 jcamins_away Bit of a false alarm there, sorry. 13:03 jcamins_away I just noticed that. 13:03 jcamins_away No. 13:02 gmcharlt to confirm, the change to dom-config.xml setting level to 1 is in place? 13:01 jcamins_away Reindexing with DOM still doesn't seem to want to do anything. 13:01 jcamins_away Well, that fixes the error. 12:59 gmcharlt jcamins_away: could you try this -- symlink record.abs -> collection.abs 12:53 cait jcamins++ 12:53 cait gmcharlt++ 12:53 gmcharlt one moment 12:53 gmcharlt er, why it's happening 12:53 gmcharlt I know what it's happening 12:53 jcamins_away I just never saw that error before, that I recall. 12:53 jcamins_away Well, that was the installation that is using GRS-1. 12:53 gmcharlt doh! sec 12:52 * gmcharlt drinks coffee 12:52 gmcharlt indeed, that makes it sound like it's try to run it through the GRS-1 filter 12:51 jcamins_away I got a complaint about collection.abs on my non-DOM install, which seemed peculiar. 12:50 * oleonard is not sure his eyes are up to more capitalization corrections today... 12:50 jcamins_away That's what I'm trying now. 12:50 gmcharlt ? 12:50 gmcharlt anything interesting if you use -v -v 12:49 jcamins_away It exports, then cleans. 12:49 jcamins_away I'm not sure if that's you or me, though. 12:49 jcamins_away Well, it doesn't seem to want to reindex, which is a bit of a problem. 12:47 gmcharlt jcamins_away: cool. any issues so far? 12:44 jcamins_away gmcharlt: I'm trying to reindex my DOM installation. 12:44 wahanui it has been said that morning is a state of mind. 12:44 jcamins_away Morning. 12:42 gmcharlt good morning 12:42 sturmtruppen yes, already study that pages 12:42 jcamins_away The basic format is the same, it's just the tags that are different. 12:41 jcamins_away Okay, look there. ^^ 12:41 wahanui i guess UNIMARC is http://www.ifla.org/en/publications/unimarc-formats-and-related-documentation 12:41 jcamins_away UNIMARC? 12:40 sturmtruppen so, you can see i have lots of problems... 12:40 sturmtruppen another problem is tha unimarc format 12:39 jcamins_away ^^ take a look at the first link there. 12:39 wahanui MARC21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html 12:39 jcamins_away MARC21? 12:39 jcamins_away MARC standard? 12:39 jcamins_away MARC standards? 12:39 sturmtruppen maybe this is the key... 12:38 sturmtruppen jcamins_away: i just remember that you said me that the marc is binary... 12:38 jcamins_away The only program that people on this board will be able to help you with would be Koha. 12:37 jcamins_away But I don't use it. 12:37 jcamins_away There's MarcEdit. 12:37 jcamins_away There are very few programs that support MARC. 12:37 jcamins_away I can't recommend anything other than Koha, sorry. 12:36 wahanui one is probably developeed by a worldwide community of developers, the other by liblime 12:36 sturmtruppen can you tell me one, please? 12:35 jcamins_away Or some program that supports MARC. 12:35 jcamins_away One at a time using Z39.50. 12:35 sturmtruppen ok. can you tell how can i import 2000 data? 12:35 jcamins_away Export a file from Koha and open it up. 12:34 jcamins_away I would recommend you not do that. 12:34 wahanui complicated is, like, far too mild a term to describe Search.pm 12:34 sturmtruppen complicated? 12:34 sturmtruppen if i found the difference between the file, i can wrtie an algorith to convert the data and then import in koha 12:33 sturmtruppen beacuse i have another program that obtain the data from the italian SBN and save in a file. 12:33 jcamins_away You should just use Z39.50. 12:33 jcamins_away I can't think of any situation where that is a good idea. 12:32 jcamins_away And why are you doing a Z39.50 search then exporting the record and reimporting it on the command line? 12:32 sturmtruppen i need to learn how 12:32 sturmtruppen i need to import 2000 book in the library 12:31 jcamins_away Why exactly are you doing this in the first place? 12:31 sturmtruppen wait... 12:31 sturmtruppen ok, now i'll try... 12:31 sturmtruppen learned 12:31 jcamins_away You have to use export. 12:31 sturmtruppen hohohohohoho... now i've learn another thing... 12:31 jcamins_away It contains non-printing characters. 12:30 sturmtruppen why? 12:30 jcamins_away MARC is a binary format. 12:30 jcamins_away Yes, you can't do that. 12:30 sturmtruppen select all - copy - paste? 12:30 sturmtruppen run perl kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -m ISO2709 -file tonzig.dat 12:29 jcamins_away How did you do step 3? 12:29 sturmtruppen 3) copy MARC data in a file (tonzig.dat in this particulat case) 12:29 sturmtruppen 2) show MARC data 12:29 sturmtruppen 1) z3950 search with koha interface 12:28 sturmtruppen how can it be? now i'll explain what i do 12:28 jcamins_away sturmtruppen: in that case, the problem is your file. 12:27 sturmtruppen magnus_afk: "0 MARC records done in 0.0035550594329834 seconds" with -b option 12:23 jcamins_away I don't remember the exact command. I don't use that script. 12:23 magnus_afk -b 12:23 jcamins_away sturmtruppen: the command you used to import the data. It's wrong. It shouldn't have "-m ISO2709" and should have -b or -biblio or something like that. 12:23 magnus_afk http://perldoc.koha-community.org/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.html 12:23 sturmtruppen "adding the appropriate argument to specify biblio"? 12:22 sturmtruppen ? 12:22 jcamins_away Try taking out the -m bit, and and adding the appropriate argument to specify biblios. 12:21 sturmtruppen where? 12:21 jcamins_away sturmtruppen: I think the problem is probably your command line. 12:20 sturmtruppen except for autoincrement 12:19 sturmtruppen jcamins_away: in tab biblio, all the field are NULL 12:19 jcamins_away sturmtruppen: what's the problem with the data in the database? 12:19 sturmtruppen just run "yaz-marcdump tonzig.dat |more" in the shell? 12:18 slef lunch here, back in 60ish 12:18 slef sturmtruppen: and does "yaz-marcdump tonzig.dat |more" work OK? 12:17 sturmtruppen git version 12:17 wahanui the third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 12:17 slef wahanui: what is the third question? 12:17 sturmtruppen perl kohaclone/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -m ISO2709 -file tonzig.dat 12:17 slef wrong how? 12:17 sturmtruppen no message error, only wrong data in the db 12:16 slef oh and what commandline are you entering? 12:16 wahanui somebody said second question was "What is the exact error message?" 12:16 slef second question 12:16 sturmtruppen import one iso2709 datafile 12:15 slef it's possible, but if it's not in bugs.koha-community.org, it's surprising 12:15 wahanui first question is "What are you trying to do?" 12:15 slef first question 12:14 sturmtruppen is it possible that bulkmarcimport.pl has a problem? 12:13 sturmtruppen I have a question... 12:13 sturmtruppen morning #koha 11:19 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Add reserves to modification logging 11:19 slef Changes submitted for bug 6890 10:52 slef or 10:52 slef ot at least link through to it 10:51 slef anyone know why issuehistory doesn't show the circulation log as well as the issues table? 10:25 Oak me go. 10:25 cait fredericd: is there something specific to test on the pootle server? 10:25 huginn` Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 29.0°C (3:00 PM PKT on April 06, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 10:25 Oak @wunder islamabad 10:25 magnuse Oak 10:24 Oak magnuse 10:24 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on April 06, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1012 hPa (Rising). 10:24 cait @wunder Konstanz 10:24 cait heh 10:23 magnuse scattered clouds? i think the proper term is "snow showers" 10:22 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on April 06, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). 10:22 magnuse @wunder boo 10:20 rangi so it's up to you 10:19 rangi slef: you should, no one does 10:19 Oak ah 10:19 cait easter 10:19 cait Oak: easer holidays here 10:19 cait rangi: I know :) 10:19 rangi not that we should remove it 10:19 slef I think I'll use logaction because here doesn't seem to be a GetStats to go with UpdateStats so I guess they're only accessed in the Tools: Reports thing. 10:19 Oak kia ora #koha 10:19 rangi cait: i know, just saying that i think the default is the wrong way round 10:19 Oak cait home at this time of day? good. 10:18 slef say now or watch me break some perfectly good features ;) 10:17 slef also, when I modify a module, should I increment $VERSION? 10:15 cait but other models exist :) 10:14 cait rangi: yes, I think they do 10:13 rangi thats what the whole holds to pull report is for, onshelf holds, so im pretty sure american libraries do them too 10:13 slef tracking reservations - should I be using UpdateStats or logaction? 10:13 rangi but its less work for the libraries 10:12 rangi thats the old way they used to do it too 10:12 magnuse so they knew it was waiting 10:12 rangi *nod* 10:12 magnuse when i worked in an academic library we would not accept on shelf holds through the opac, but if people called and said they would drive for an hour to pick up a book we would get it from the shelf and reserve it for them 10:12 rangi what i was trying to say, but you said it better 10:12 rangi fredericd++ 10:11 magnuse yup, good point 10:11 rangi you find something you want, you reserve them then you go get them 10:10 rangi otherwise the opac is kinda useless outside of the library 10:10 rangi for a rural library its a nessecity to have onshelf holds 10:10 slef And professional libraries either everything costs or nothing costs. 10:10 rangi for libraries like levin, people dont want to drive into town to get the book to find out its been issued 10:09 slef I think both costed here but it's been a few years since I was a member of an academic library myself. 10:09 magnuse slef: here neither 10:09 cait slef: public libraries sometimes, but not in academic libraries 10:09 cait slef: holds don't cost here 10:08 rangi seems like something that should change, thats the kinda thing you want to do if you want to keep getting funded 10:08 slef we can hold books on shelf here, but we have to pay like if it was any other reserve or transfer 10:08 magnuse hehe 10:08 magnuse i don't have hard stats on it of course, but from circumstantial evidence i think that's the rule most places 10:08 slef lazy people 10:07 magnuse librarians can't be bothered to pick books from the shelf for you 10:07 magnuse slef: yup 10:07 slef wow - so if a book is on the shelf, you have to race to get there first? 10:06 magnuse onshelfholds = off would be the norm in norway too, i think 10:03 cait I would certainly like that :) 10:02 slef there maybe should be a third setting: onlyIfNotMyBranch 10:02 cait or if there is no copy at the library 10:02 rangi i dont i have a single library that has that on 10:02 * slef crashes his koha and returns to developing 10:02 cait that you can only place a hold, if their own copy is checked out 10:02 cait what they woudl like is 10:02 cait I am not sure how koha works here 10:01 cait yeah, we have no library doing that righ tnow... multi branch 10:01 slef that's what usually bites me 10:01 cait yeah, normally only checked out materials 10:01 slef even if the book is onshelf in another branch? 10:01 rangi its the opposite here 10:01 cait it's highly uncommon that onshelfholds are allowed 10:01 slef really? 10:01 cait off would be the normal setting here 10:01 cait hm 10:00 rangi i suspect thats the most common use case 10:00 rangi i suspect that should be on by default 09:59 slef I'm sure that bit me before 09:59 * slef goes to update the faq 09:59 slef that was it 09:59 cait oh good point 09:58 slef rangi++ 09:58 rangi also allow on shelf holds 09:58 slef I'll check sysprefs 09:58 slef I've got a rule 09:56 cait and check oyu have a value > 0 for maxreserves in system preferences 09:56 cait sorry, was on the phone with my dad 09:56 cait with number of holds > 0 09:56 cait all libraries - all - all 09:56 cait slef: you need to set a rule 09:55 * slef checks circ rules 09:55 slef http://koha-community.org/faq/cant-place-holds-preferences-turned-on/ 09:54 slef clean install and I'm getting " * No copies are available to be placed on hold" and I don't see why not. 09:54 wahanui i heard faq was found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 09:54 slef faq? 09:42 huginn` 04Bug 6890: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Add reserves to modification logging 09:42 * slef kicks http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6890 09:27 cait and it will be a great release again :) 09:27 cait 3.8 is about to be released soon 09:27 cait koha is doing well 09:26 cait ah 09:26 adnc i didn't use it for quite some time ;( 09:26 adnc how is koha doing 09:26 adnc cait, I'm ok, solving some problems here. 09:22 cait and you? 09:22 cait all ok 09:22 cait :) 09:22 adnc how are you doing 09:22 adnc hi cait 09:21 cait hi adnc 08:38 cait hi slef 08:37 slef hi all 08:28 cait so can test later :) 08:28 cait my login works 08:28 cait testing login 08:28 cait ok 08:27 fredericd see my pm 08:27 fredericd cait++ 08:27 cait have to make some phone calls first 08:27 cait I can try to start testing in an hour or so if that's ok 08:26 cait pm me the url and a login maybe? 08:26 cait cool :) 08:25 rangi well done fredericd 08:24 fredericd yes 08:24 cait living in a vm now? 08:23 cait ah 08:21 fredericd it's based on a yesterday DB backup 08:20 fredericd just take a look at it and confirm it works as the previous server 08:20 cait what kind of testing? 08:20 cait oh 08:19 fredericd cait: Could you test a new Pootle server? 08:02 magnuse gah, time to take the dogs out - bbl, maybe... 08:00 cait or signing off last minute string changes 08:00 cait hm dom indexing maybe 07:58 magnuse what sort of fun were you thinking of? 07:57 magnuse you have a holiday today too, right, cait? 07:57 magnuse ooh tempting, but i have some other stuff i need to look at too 07:57 magnuse but i woke up before everyone else, so i thought i might as well check some email etc 07:57 cait want to join me in some fun with bugs? 07:56 cait :) 07:56 magnuse yup it is 07:55 cait isn't today a holiday for you? :) 07:55 cait i magnuse :) 07:51 magnuse hiya #koha! 07:32 cait hi #koha 07:08 paul_p good morning #koha 07:08 Oak Bonjour paul_p, julian_m 07:06 wahanui niihau, julian_m 07:06 julian_m hi 07:06 Oak hello Joubu 07:04 Joubu hello 06:51 Oak kia ora #koha 06:38 wahanui salut, reiveune 06:38 reiveune hello 06:33 wahanui niihau, alex_a 06:33 alex_a bonjour 06:06 KK Need Help , i am installing koha on ubuntu with guide http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu got this error :Error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' 06:05 KK *All 06:05 KK Hello aLL 04:56 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 04:56 gmcharlt @later tell cait wip/koha-equinox.git branch dom-biblio has latest and greatest for bug 7818 04:55 huginn` gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 04:55 gmcharlt @later tell jcamins wip/koha-equinox.git ready for you to pull from again -- I've addressed both the rel ranking and making -x work; there's also a dom-biblio-rebased branch for you to use if you want it merged against master as of today