Time  Nick            Message
00:36 rangi           hmm
01:16 Judit           good mornign
01:17 rangi           hi Judit
01:17 Judit           do you have a beautiful autumn down there too?
01:18 rangi           yeah so far its been better than the summer was
01:18 Judit           same here
01:28 rangi           hmm i think there is a bug in master and 3.6
01:28 rangi           Judit: can you login as a superlibrarian
01:28 rangi           and look at the tools page .. do you get the links for batch item deletion/modification showing?
01:29 * rangi         has to go to a meeting
01:29 Judit           http://staff.kohademo.esilibrary.com/cgi-bin/koha/tools/batchMod.pl?del=1
01:30 Judit           no problem
01:34 Judit           (this Koha http://staff.kohademo.esilibrary.com/ is 3.2.5 although is says master on http://koha-community.org/demo/)
01:35 Judit           well our 3.6.4 has the batch item delete/modification
01:35 Judit           and this one http://head.bibkat.no:8080/0 is okay too- 3.7
03:03 Space_Librarian @wunder wellington, nz
03:03 huginn          Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:00 PM NZST on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
03:35 rangi           hmm maybe its because this db has been upgraded
03:35 rangi           thanks Judit
04:31 Amit_Gupta      heya bag
05:47 cait            good morning #koha
05:47 eythian         hi cait
05:47 cait            hey mr robin ;)
06:25 alex_a          hello #koha
06:33 cait            hi alex_a
06:33 cait            :)
06:38 alex_a          hi cait :)
06:38 alex_a          @wunder konstanz
06:38 huginn          alex_a: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.8°C (8:34 AM CEST on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
06:38 alex_a          Taegerwilen ?
06:38 reiveune        hello
06:38 Judit1          7.8C that is cold
06:38 mbalmer         good morning, koha!
06:41 Amit_Gupta      heya cait
06:46 cait            hi all
06:46 cait            alex_a: next weatherstation it seems
06:46 cait            yeah, could be warmer
06:47 mbalmer         I was in Lindau this weekend, almost froze to death in the night (camping…)
06:48 cait            work time bbl
07:07 asaurat         hi
07:13 francharb       bonjour
07:15 magnuse         kia ora #koha!
07:21 paul_p          good morning #koha
07:21 magnuse         bonjour!
07:22 rangi           evening
07:22 magnuse         ata marie rangi
08:22 * kf            waves
08:26 rangi           magnuse: http://blogs.perl.org/users/paul_johnson/2012/03/vim-report-for-develcover-perl-qa-hackathon.html
08:34 magnuse         rangi: yeah, i saw that, but havn't tested it yet
08:35 magnuse         Oak
08:35 Oak             magnuse
08:35 Oak             kia ora #koha
08:38 kf              hi Oak hi magnuse
08:38 Oak             hello kf.
08:38 magnuse         guten tag kf
09:09 alex_a          @seen dpavlin_
09:09 huginn          alex_a: dpavlin_ was last seen in #koha 1 year, 22 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours, 55 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: * dpavlin_ would appriciate pointer to it :-)
09:10 alex_a          O_O
09:10 alex_a          @seen dpavlin
09:10 huginn          alex_a: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 13 minutes, and 1 second ago: * dpavlin waves and goes to sleep...
09:11 kf              alex_a: perhaps try writing him an email - he told me he is logged in but doesn't read often
09:15 alex_a          kf: i'll try that. thx !
09:15 alex_a          his last message is "* dpavlin waves and goes to sleep..."
09:16 alex_a          may be he still sleeps ...
10:06 Oak             did a Koha install about 2 weeks ago on Debian, then the hard disk got bad sectors, replaced the hard disk, did fresh Debian install, and koha-common just now. can someone guide me how to restore my database backup? Should I just use phpMyAdmin and dump the sql file there, then run rebuild_nozebra.pl ?
10:08 rangi           close
10:08 rangi           you want to run
10:08 rangi           sudo koha-mysql instancename < databasedump.sql
10:08 Oak             ah okay
10:08 rangi           sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f instancename
10:09 Oak             okay, and I do that after I have run the web installer?
10:09 rangi           nope
10:09 rangi           your database is gonna stomp all over anything you do with the web installer
10:09 rangi           so no point
10:10 Oak             so run web installer *after* the database dump?
10:11 rangi           it will prompt you to run it if it needs to
10:12 Oak             okay
10:31 Oak             rangi, I did the DB dump, and OPAC now has old data, searching shows book results... everything. but XXX:XXX:XXX:XXX:8080 for admin area says: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 10.16.18.71:8080.
10:32 rangi           sounds like your apache config is messed up
10:32 Oak             hmm
10:32 Oak             I'll pastebin
10:32 rangi           check for a Listen 8080 line
10:33 rangi           and did you set it up to run on 8080 ?
10:33 rangi           when you were editing the koha-sites-conf.xml ?
10:38 Oak             hmm, let me see
10:38 Oak             adding Listen 8080 worked
10:38 Oak             i have not edited the koha-sites-conf.xml
10:38 Oak             will take a look at it now
10:39 Oak             where is this file koha-sites-conf.xml located rangi ?
10:40 Oak             by the way admin area is also working now...
10:41 Oak             but i am kind of suspicious... i did very very little and everything is working fine?
10:41 Oak             just your two commands
10:42 Oak             i did just about this: http://pastebin.com/T8j1HdMh
10:43 Oak             is it how backup gets restored? I did however tried using same usernames, passswords, etc for everything.
10:44 magnuse         Oak: that's the beauty of the packages!
10:44 magnuse         it's so simple, it seems almost too good to be true :-)
10:44 Oak             :) well, good then.
10:44 Oak             cool :)
10:45 * Oak           goes to tell people things are working again
10:45 Oak             wait
10:46 Oak             can I do some test... that will tell YES everything is fine?
10:48 Oak             hmm, everything looks exactly the same. and working fine.
10:48 Oak             i'll go and tell people.
12:21 oleonard        Hi #koha
12:25 kf              hi oleonard :)
12:27 oleonard        kf I like your idea, re: Bug 2733, of renaming the link to "print account." Or perhaps "print summary" (because I'm concerned that "account" implies just money-related information?)
12:27 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2733 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Can't print patron account
12:27 oleonard        ...although I'm not sure that "summary" is clear.
12:27 kf              oleonard: I like summary
12:27 kf              I think it#s less confusing then page
12:28 oleonard        should it say "Print -> print summary, print slip, print quick slip" ? Or "Print -> summary, slip, quick slip" ?
12:35 chris_n         jcamins_away: https://github.com/openlibrary/bookreader
12:37 kf              oleonard: good question
12:37 kf              but I noticed too
12:37 kf              it's not nice to have Quick slip and print slip
12:37 kf              I would say
12:37 kf              print slip
12:37 kf              pint quick slip
12:37 kf              voting for the more specific because of translations
12:38 oleonard        Good point. That sounds good to me
12:39 chris_n         jcamins_away: http://raj.blog.archive.org/2011/03/17/how-to-serve-ia-style-books-from-your-own-cluster/
12:45 jcamins_away    Ooh, nifty!
12:47 chris_n         yup, very cool
12:48 * chris_n       plans to play with running it to serve e-resources in conjunction w/koha
12:49 kf              oleonard: do you write a patch?
12:50 oleonard        I can
12:50 * oleonard      would probably do well to start on something easy this morning
12:58 kf              oleonard: :)
13:02 alaquerre       Good morning everyone. - Question for you.  Is it possible to let user configure which field that are display on OPAC ?  Is there any plan regarding this issue.  We have 20 diffrents needs and it's getting hard to please everyone using the same codebase...
13:10 oleonard        alaquerre: What do you mean by "user?" Koha administrator or OPAC user?
13:10 oleonard        ...although I guess the answer is no either way if you mean providing different views for different libraries using the same Koha installation
13:11 oleonard        The best you can do is modify the XSLT, but that is a global change
13:13 dpavlin_        oleonard: doesn't bug 4032 enables local XSLT for each instance?
13:13 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4032 enhancement, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Pushed to Master , XSLT systempreference should take a path to file rather than YesNo
13:14 oleonard        For each installation of Koha, but not for (for instance) each different library using that installation
13:14 oleonard        still not sure if that's what alaquerre needs...
13:14 dpavlin_        true :-)
13:14 dpavlin_        BTW, hi, #koha! I'm working on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Performance -- comments and questions are welcomed, and if it gets accepted I will talk about something like this on next KohaCon
13:17 alaquerre       oleonard - Sorry did not see your anwser.  User here = Koha administrator.  So librarian would be able to add 742$v if they want to.  We currently have a global configuration for the 20 school we have and we have couple of people tha twould like to have much more control on the display.
13:18 oleonard        I'm not aware of anyone working on per-library XSLT handling
13:19 * dpavlin_      confused: per-library = per branch, not separate koha-conf.xml sites?
13:19 alaquerre       Each school have his own koha installation ... so look like we would be able to configure it using 4032.
13:19 alaquerre       each library have his own server.
13:21 magnuse         jquery++
13:30 hdl             oleonard: iirc we did.
13:37 hdl             oleonard: finally, we did NOT.
13:52 uwe             Greetings, we are planning to support a group of small libraries to make their database of books findable/searchable on the internet in some sort of a mini consortium; we want to use the least problematic installation. so we will use debian, but do you advise to use .deb packages of go through the generic installation procedure ?
13:57 magnuse         uwe: deb packages, definitely
13:57 oleonard        uwe: Everyone around here seems to always recommend the packages
14:06 vfernandes      hi guys :)
14:07 vfernandes      one little question: it's possible to remove from ISBN searches the hifens without changing the code? I want the same results for searching the following ISBNs: 1234567 and 123-45-67
14:11 uwe             magnuse, oleonard , thanks :)
14:12 wizzyrea        vfernandes: afaik that is not possible
14:13 vfernandes      :/ so only directly in the code?
14:27 libsysguy       hey sekjal
14:27 sekjal          hey, libsysguy
14:27 wahanui         rumour has it libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
14:27 * wizzyrea      giggles
14:27 libsysguy       heh
14:27 libsysguy       always gets me
14:28 libsysguy       sekjal I don't suppose I could bribe you to take a look at bug 7852
14:28 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7852 major, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Hourly loan fines are not working
14:28 sekjal          what would you be bribing me with?
14:28 libsysguy       well thats the cool thing about a bribe
14:28 libsysguy       you gut to ask for what you want
14:29 libsysguy       and then I get to determine if it is worth not having people call me all day about fines not working :-\
14:29 libsysguy       currently its day 3...you could ask for a pony and I'd cave
14:29 sekjal          we're in the market for a donkey, actually
14:30 sekjal          but I'd settle for 5 chickens
14:30 libsysguy       well there are pleanty of asses around here
14:30 libsysguy       you drive a hard bargin sir
14:30 gmcharlt        heh - I have to laugh, one of Evergreen's quirks is that it has the notion of a goods payment for fines ...
14:31 gmcharlt        so if you want to pay fines in chickens ... theoretically you could
14:31 libsysguy       heh that sounds like quite a deal
14:31 gmcharlt        sekjal: so, since you'll be in that area of code anyway ...
14:31 gmcharlt        ;)
14:31 libsysguy       although could you set up a currency of chickens and koha and do the same thing?
14:32 kf              oleonard: you are on a roll :)
14:33 sekjal          libsysguy:  from a reading of the patch, it looks good.  I'll apply it now and see how it looks in place
14:33 libsysguy       ok cool, thanks
14:33 libsysguy       sekjal it basically just didn't get merged in with bug 5549 when it got moved to the new branch
14:33 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Hourly Loans
14:35 hdl             gmcharlt: have you ever managed the SortBin in evergreen openncip support ?
14:35 hdl             or even in koha ?
14:37 sekjal          libsysguy:  okay, so this patch uses DateTime->delta_ms() to return the duration in minutes/seconds
14:38 libsysguy       yes
14:39 sekjal          nice.  I hadn't known about that function, but I think it'll make a lot of our conversions a lot easier
14:40 libsysguy       schaweet, you can thank Colin
14:40 chris_n         lots_easier++
14:40 gmcharlt        hdl: not to date; both SIPServer and Koha's fork of it include support for the field, however, so it should just be a matter of deciding what to populate it with
14:40 libsysguy       @karma lots_easier
14:40 huginn          libsysguy: Karma for "lots_easier" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
14:40 chris_n         obviously we need more of it
14:41 libsysguy       agreed chris_n
14:41 sekjal          libsysguy:  the changes to Koha/Calendar.pm are good
14:41 sekjal          moving on to analyzing those in C4/Overdues.pm
14:42 libsysguy       nothing excapes sekjal's ever seeing eye
14:42 hdl             gmcharlt: yeah + how to populate that field.
14:43 hdl             But was asking to know whether there was some code/configuration floating around for that.
14:43 sekjal          except bug 6027 creating bug 7847
14:43 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion
14:43 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Signed Off , OPAC search dies with plack
14:43 sekjal          I missed that one
14:45 gmcharlt        hdl: I'm not aware of any -- at a guess, sticking in homebranch as the bin ID might be a start
14:45 gmcharlt        more generally, a mapping from homelibrary to bin number if the sorter expects them to be numeric
14:49 sekjal          libsysguy:  I have some concern about grace periods in this code
14:49 sekjal          it looks like we're trying to subtract an integer from a duration on line 263 of C4/Overdues.pm
14:51 sekjal          oh, no, my mistake
14:51 sekjal          it's an int, not a duration
14:51 sekjal          the _get_chargeable_units subroutine needs some documentation
14:54 sekjal          so... I'll add some.  also changing the name of the variable "days_minus_grace" to "units_minus_grace"
14:58 hdl             gmcharlt: was thinking of a mapping of location to sortbin id rather
15:00 sekjal          libsysguy:  running automated tests now, just to be thorough
15:00 sekjal          but we should be good
15:02 gmcharlt        hdl: possible needs both, or should support both, depending on whether AMH is sorting for within a library branch or among them
15:02 libsysguy       sorry sekjal had someone in my office
15:02 libsysguy       thanks for making those changes
15:03 sekjal          no problem.  bug 7852
15:03 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7852 major, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Hourly loan fines are not working
15:04 libsysguy       is bugzilla sending out 2 emails per update now?
15:05 wizzyrea        hm, does it make sense to have the "change password" button on circ-toolbar.inc only viewable by people with canUserStaffAccess
15:06 wizzyrea        I would think that would be more "edit borrowers" permisison
15:08 wizzyrea        because you can still change passwords if you go into edit borrower
15:08 wizzyrea        you just don't see the button unless you have staffaccess
15:11 sekjal          libsysguy:  are you subscribed to the Bugs list?
15:11 libsysguy       yes
15:11 libsysguy       ohh is it pushing one to bugs and one to me
15:12 sekjal          yes
15:12 libsysguy       curse you outlook mail rules...why have you failed me
15:12 sekjal          I get that, too, on pretty much every new and active bug
15:12 sekjal          thankfully, I'm viewing in Gmail, so it threads nicely
15:12 * libsysguy     is forces to use M$ crapware
15:16 wizzyrea        bug 5974
15:16 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5974 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role
15:16 wizzyrea        see last comment
15:18 sekjal          wizzyrea:  seems reasonable
15:18 sekjal          (your comment, not the way it's currently implemented)
15:18 wizzyrea        right - ok, then I'll make a patch for it. :)
15:30 * paul_p_mtg    head to push some patches...
15:30 paul_p_mtg      nick paul_p
15:31 chris_n         outlook is a failure in general
16:19 jenkins_koha    Starting build #692 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:24 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7851 - circ/circulation.pl plack scoping <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=53a7fb7ba383e6925198fb1a69bdcabd3b8d858c> / Bug 7859 - members/pay.pl plack scoping <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fe0af468bf017a46ada8858ef6c0493f3c76321> / Bug 7863 - opac-addbybiblionumber.pl plack scoping <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44eafcb8
16:24 fabio_t         Hi everybody! How can I reset biblionumber? I reverted a previous import, now I want to import other records and I wish their biblionumber would start from 1 instead of (in my case) 16k... I did a full koha-zebra-rebuilds (with no luck). Is biblio.biblionumber tied to deletedbiblio, deletedbiblioitems, deleteditems table?
16:25 fabio_t         * koha-zebra-rebuild
16:26 fabio_t         thanks in advance
16:28 sekjal          fabio_t:  reverting a previous import will not reset biblio.biblionumber
16:28 sekjal          the only way to do that is in the database, with 'truncate biblio'.  I advise caution before doing this on a production system
16:29 sekjal          since those truncated biblios will be gone forever, and there will be cascading deletions throughout the database
16:30 fabio_t         thank you very much sekjal
16:30 fabio_t         sekjal++
16:31 sekjal          you're welcome, fabio_t.  be sure to backup your database first, just for safety
16:32 fabio_t         I already did, thanks
16:33 sekjal          cool
16:34 fabio_t         now I have to go
16:34 fabio_t         bye
16:40 oleonard        No proposal from our Translation Manager volunteer
16:44 huginn          New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7291 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7335add2a259028247c8cd590862e8490fa68a54> / Bug 7291: Followup: removes backquotes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=64d39e1d9ea714190f5e42b60b89014424ce1183> / Bug 7291: Adds new field aqbooksellers.deliverytime <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d76dbace5e6436ae52448
16:46 jcamins         o/
16:52 wizzyrea        \o
17:01 slef            bug 6697
17:01 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6697 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Empty Organisation(s) field for organisational patrons
17:07 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #692: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/692/
17:07 jenkins_koha    * jonathan.druart: Bug 7836 - Poor English on Patron Attribute Form
17:07 jenkins_koha    * serhijdubyk: Bug 6434 - Ukrainian and Russian MARC sql-tables
17:07 jenkins_koha    * colin.campbell: Use hour or day deltas to calculate overdue durations
17:07 jenkins_koha    * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 1662: Is there a difference between Full and Simplified for Serials History
17:07 jenkins_koha    * adrien.saurat: Bug 7868: cleans logs when doing a Search on the intranet
17:07 jenkins_koha    * m.de.rooy: 7868 Followup for opac
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7836 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Poor English on Patron Attribute Form
17:07 jenkins_koha    * adrien.saurat: Bug 7866: z39.50 search list ordered by rank
17:07 jenkins_koha    * colin.campbell: Bug 7562 Add strict & warnings to KohaDates Plugin
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6434 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Passed QA , Many changes for Ukrainian and Russian sql-tables
17:07 jenkins_koha    * dpavlin: Bug 7863 - opac-addbybiblionumber.pl plack scoping
17:07 jenkins_koha    * dpavlin: Bug 7859 - members/pay.pl plack scoping
17:07 jenkins_koha    * dpavlin: Bug 7851 - circ/circulation.pl plack scoping
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1662 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Is there a difference between Full and Simplified for Serials History
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7868 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Warnings in logs for search.pl
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7866 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Rank not used in Z39.50 search page
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7562 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , KohaDates plugin not found for 3.6.3 running off packages
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7863 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , opac-addbybiblionumber.pl plack scoping
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , members/pay.pl plack scoping
17:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7851 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , circ/circulation.pl plack scoping
17:08 jenkins_koha    Starting build #693 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:08 libsysguy       is it too late for bug 5339 to make it into master
17:09 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5339 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Parcel closing in acq
17:15 slef            libsysguy: not sure. Look at paul's feature freeze timeline?
17:16 slef            wahanui: feature freeze timeline?
17:16 wahanui         bugger all, i dunno, slef
17:16 slef            wahanui: 3.8 timeline?
17:16 wahanui         no idea, slef
17:16 slef            wahanui: feature freeze?
17:16 wahanui         it has been said that feature freeze is 22nd Sept. 2011
17:16 slef            wahanui: forget feature freeze
17:16 wahanui         slef: I forgot feature freeze
17:16 libsysguy       poor wahanui
17:17 slef            wahanui: feature freeze is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_to_3.8
17:17 wahanui         OK, slef.
17:17 slef            libsysguy: looks like not. String freeze isn't until 6th.
17:17 libsysguy       yeah i didn't know if that patch was considered a feature or not
17:18 slef            libsysguy: question is whether it's major
17:18 libsysguy       ahh
17:18 slef            "By "major" I mean an enhancement that has many string change(s) and/or database change and/or introduce major changes in the core of Koha, with an important risk of side-effect."
17:18 slef            yay!
17:18 libsysguy       well it is constantly going on out date
17:18 slef            np: David Bowie, Life on Mars
17:18 libsysguy       I was hoping to get it in so I could add a little to it for a later release
17:18 slef            libsysguy: ? not sure I understand
17:19 libsysguy       i think Julian has rebased it 5 or 6 times
17:19 libsysguy       poor guy
17:19 slef            libsysguy: put it on the wiki and see if that attracts paul's attention?
17:20 slef            it's biblibre... he should be symptathetic
17:20 libsysguy       heh
17:21 libsysguy       slef you mean put it in the bugs wiki?
17:21 slef            libsysguy: I mean put it on the Roadmap_to_3.8 where he's discussing other bugs
17:21 libsysguy       ahh ok
17:21 slef            you could also do this...
17:22 slef            oh wait
17:22 slef            needs QA
17:22 libsysguy       yeah
17:22 libsysguy       we need a ping function on here
17:22 slef            so sekjal are you there?
17:22 libsysguy       ping QA
17:22 libsysguy       lol
17:23 libsysguy       feels guilty for pinging sekjal twice in one day
17:23 slef            I can't remember.  Am we allowed to QA if we follow the coding_guildeines
17:23 slef            wahanui: coding guidelines?
17:23 wahanui         coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
17:23 slef            bah
17:24 sekjal          sorry, was on my other computer
17:24 slef            right off, it's non-standard SQL... no quotes at all, not very safe
17:25 sekjal          5339?
17:25 slef            yeah
17:25 slef            yay!
17:25 libsysguy       yeah its the one I need for my senior project :p
17:25 slef            now playing: Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody
17:26 slef            libsysguy: got time to fix the SQL?
17:26 slef            libsysguy: 90% sure it should be ""s not ``s in standard SQL
17:26 libsysguy       yeah I can fix it
17:27 slef            Is this a database-only patch?
17:27 libsysguy       now its also got tt code
17:27 libsysguy       and...
17:27 slef            not in the non-obsolete patches it hasn't
17:27 slef            or is there a git tree I should be looking at?
17:27 slef            ok, I'm blundering around :)
17:28 libsysguy       oh man I think it attached the wrong patch
17:28 sekjal          the two attached patches to 5339 are looking to be the same (both DB edits)
17:28 libsysguy       yeah it looks like Julian just attached the wrong one
17:28 sekjal          unfortunately, without the attached code edits, this part cannot go in on it's own
17:29 libsysguy       ill mark it failed
17:29 sekjal          since it'll break a bunch of SQL queries that still refer to the old tables
17:29 slef            libsysguy: thanks
17:29 libsysguy       and leave a comment
17:29 libsysguy       *smh*
17:29 sekjal          I'd recommend bundling the database changes with the code, since their interdependent
17:29 slef            can we mark it: leg-chewingly-frustrating too?
17:30 slef            wahanui: second sign of madness?
17:30 wahanui         second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands
17:30 slef            wahanui: poisoned botsnack
17:30 wahanui         thanks slef :)
17:30 slef            @quote random
17:30 huginn          slef: Quote #75: "<jwagner> They do get over it though. Starting along about my 20s, the older I got the smarter my parents got :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 01:13 PM, May 18, 2010)
17:31 slef            @quote random
17:31 huginn          slef: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 01:11 PM, May 18, 2010)
17:31 slef            wahanui: are you cute?
17:31 wahanui         slef: bugger all, i dunno
17:31 slef            wahanui: idiot
17:31 wahanui         slef: huh?
17:32 cait            slef: wonder if I should tell S you are flirting with the bot?
17:32 cait            @quote random
17:32 huginn          cait: Quote #53: "joetho: what kind of shape are the records in?" (added by gmcharlt at 10:17 PM, February 05, 2010)
17:33 cait            oleonard: you created lots of sign-off work :)
17:33 oleonard        At least it's easy stuff, unlike most of the other stuff on the needs-sign-off list
17:34 jcamins         Aw, I'm not going to have a chance to sign off until someone else has gotten to it.
17:34 jcamins         So much for being top signer-offer every month this year.
17:34 slef            cait: flirting?
17:34 slef            wahanui: die!
17:34 wahanui         errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit!
17:35 cait            slef: you are so mean!
17:35 slef            jcamins: there's bug 7893 if you like it
17:35 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7893 critical, P1 - high, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Missing build-dependency on libdatetime-format-dateparse-perl and libreadonly-perl
17:35 cait            botsnack wahanui cookies
17:35 cait            wahanui botsnack cookies
17:35 wahanui         :)
17:35 jcamins         slef: someone will probably get that signed off, too, before I have a chance.
17:36 slef            jcamins: oooh I don't know it's a pretty complicated patch
17:36 jcamins         slef: hehe.
17:38 slef            http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/25/console ends with "E: Failed autobuilding of package" then a few lines then "Finished: SUCCESS"
17:40 francharb       see ya
17:40 slef            francharb_afk: not if WE see YOU first!
17:40 slef            ahem
17:40 francharb_afk   ahah
17:40 francharb_afk   so
17:41 francharb_afk   hi all
17:41 francharb_afk   bye all
17:41 francharb_afk   ;)
17:41 slef            :)
17:41 slef            oh wow
17:41 slef            I'm now getting slower speed on DSL than I did on UMTS last week.
17:41 slef            whatever that exchange fault this morning was, it's nuked my performance
17:41 * slef          talks to the router
17:42 slef            4455 kbps!
17:42 slef            that's half what I'm used to!
17:42 jcamins         Speaking of routers, I was just talking to a photographer who didn't realize that QoS existed.
17:43 jcamins         slef: please stop, you're making me sad.
17:43 jcamins         :P
17:43 slef            I must resist the temptation to fiddle while uploading
17:43 * slef          goes to read mail instead
17:44 jcamins         Our ISP claims to give us speeds of 20Mbps.
17:44 jcamins         I once caught it transferring data at 600kbps.
17:54 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #693: UNSTABLE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/693/
17:54 jenkins_koha    * jonathan.druart: Bug 7291: Adds new field aqbooksellers.deliverytime
17:54 jenkins_koha    * jonathan.druart: Bug 7291: Followup: removes backquotes
17:54 jenkins_koha    * paul.poulain: bug 7291 follow-up DBRev number
17:54 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7291 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , claims management improvement
17:59 slef            bug 2780
17:59 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Capitalize strings consistently
18:03 jcamins         Bug 3648
18:03 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3648 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , INSTALLATION / SAX Parser Config Instructions a little cryptic
18:08 jenkins_koha    Starting build #694 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #692 1 hr 48 min ago)
18:11 slef            svc api?
18:11 wahanui         i guess svc api is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_/svc/_HTTP_API
18:18 slef            @query import_bib
18:18 huginn          slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
18:18 huginn          slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , svc API should allow modification of items
18:19 slef            could sekjal or another QAM review 7613 please?
18:25 cait            bug 7613
18:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
18:25 cait            oh good one
18:30 sekjal          sorry, was taking a brief walk in the lovely weather
18:30 sekjal          will look at 7613
18:32 slef            @wunder edinburgh
18:32 huginn          slef: Error: No such location could be found.
18:32 slef            @wunder edinburgh, SCOTLAND
18:32 huginn          slef: Error: No such location could be found.
18:32 cait            @wunder EDI
18:32 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 1.4°C (7:30 PM BST on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
18:32 cait            brr
18:32 slef            doesn't mention the snow
18:32 slef            @wunder Aviemore
18:32 huginn          slef: The current temperature in Grantown on Spey, Grantown-on-Spey, United Kingdom is 0.6°C (7:00 PM BST on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
18:32 cait            started to rain when I went to get my bike...
18:32 wizzyrea        holy cow, br.
18:32 slef            it's not meant to do that at Easter
18:35 slef            bug 7494
18:35 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout
18:35 slef            that's one I'd like a signoff for if anyone's so motivated
18:36 slef            I just failed to signoff oleonard-away's bug 2780 :(
18:36 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , Capitalize strings consistently
18:46 libsysguy       so does the meeting tomorrow start at 4 AM PST?
18:47 bag             I think it's 3am PST
18:47 bag             and 6am EST
18:47 libsysguy       so 5 AM my time then
18:47 libsysguy       bleh
18:55 jenkins_koha    Yippie, build fixed!
18:55 jenkins_koha    Project Koha_master build #694: FIXED in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/694/
19:02 schuster        Tornado's in Dallas...
19:03 wizzyrea        !
19:03 wizzyrea        slef - was looking at 7494 - looks like there's a merge conflict in cirulation.pl
19:04 wizzyrea        do note, I haven't actually looked at what it is yet
19:05 wizzyrea        slef : never mind, it's copyright statements, I can fix it
19:07 cait            working on bug 5345
19:07 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables in Koha
19:08 cait            lots of patches there
19:08 wizzyrea        *nod*
19:28 rangi           Morning
19:28 alaquerre       Hi all, Question about : serialsUpdate.pl.  This cronjob task is to automatically set to late any issue.  I may have found a problem but I would like to see if this is they way it should be.
19:29 alaquerre       In the serial, we do have a grace period and it's correctly taken into consideration in the select ( line 55 ). But the cronjob do another validation (Line 72 ) to know when is the next item to arrive.
19:30 alaquerre       The grace period is valid ONLY if it's smaller then the periodicity.
19:31 alaquerre       If I have a grace period of 15 day with a serial that I receive only once a year, I will need to wait 365 days before the "Automatically set to late" get applied.
19:32 alaquerre       Any reason it's like that ? :-)
19:32 rangi           I've never used that script. So no idea
19:34 rangi           !jenkins status
19:34 jenkins_koha    status of all projects:
19:34 jenkins_koha    3_6_Packages: last build: 7 (8 days 17 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/3_6_Packages/7/
19:34 jenkins_koha    Koha_3.2.x: last build: 36 (4 mo 1 day ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.2.x/36/
19:34 jenkins_koha    Koha_3.4.x: last build: 80 (1 mo 12 days ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.4.x/80/
19:34 jenkins_koha    Koha_3.6.x: last build: 44 (29 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.6.x/44/
19:34 jenkins_koha    Koha_Docs: last build: 44 (4 days 0 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Docs/44/
19:34 jenkins_koha    Koha_master: last build: 694 (1 hr 26 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/694/
19:34 jenkins_koha    Master_Packages: last build: 26 (38 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Master_Packages/26/
19:45 mbalmer         re
19:45 mbalmer         oleonard?
19:45 wahanui         i think oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
19:45 mbalmer         wahanui?
19:45 wahanui         yes, mbalmer?
19:46 mbalmer         friendly, at least, our bot ;)
19:46 mbalmer         wahanui, will you polish my shoes?
19:46 wahanui         bugger all, i dunno, mbalmer
19:47 cait            mbalmer: i did a follow up - perhaps you can sign off?
19:48 mbalmer         sure, which bug #?
19:48 mbalmer         I am trying to help oleonard to get his changes in.
19:48 cait            sec
19:48 mbalmer         I can sign off the patches on thursday
19:49 cait            ah, was going to work on some of them too
19:49 cait            but he did lots
19:49 mbalmer         tomorrow we have our .ch meeting, but on thursday I have time for sign-offs.
19:49 rangi           Ok my stop bbiab
19:49 cait            2399
19:49 mbalmer         cait, yes oleanard was a maniac the last days ;)
19:50 cait            he is most of the time
19:50 cait            leading patch statistics
19:50 mbalmer         wow.  cait, thanks for removing the backquotes.
19:51 sekjal          slef: bug 7613
19:51 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
19:51 cait            yeah, but it's still a lot to remove
19:51 cait            in all the sample files
19:51 cait            it will need one big patch sometime
19:51 mbalmer         but, hey, I can't say if the russian is correct ,)
19:51 mbalmer         yes, I will take care of backquotes.
19:52 cait            I think tsting if I did break the sql is enough
19:52 cait            I can read it - but most words are not in my vocabulary
19:52 mbalmer         The SQL looks absolutely fine to me.
19:53 mbalmer         and it shows a nice MySQLism, we have to find a solution for (in the future):  LAST_INSERT_ID().  But don't care for that for now.
19:54 mbalmer         your patch is ok.
19:54 mbalmer         and I really appreciate that people start to omit MySQLisms.
19:55 cait            I am not sure it's needed here really
19:55 cait            the LAST_INSERT_ID
19:55 cait            but didn't want to change it
19:55 mbalmer         just keep it for now.
19:55 mbalmer         so we are sure the software works ;)
19:55 mbalmer         I took note of the idiom.
19:57 cait            ok
19:59 mbalmer         hi owen...
20:00 rangi           dbi can do that, so most of the time you can use that .. it would only be in pure .sql files we'd have to find the ansi sql equiv
20:00 cait            wb oleonard
20:00 mbalmer         Owen Leonard The Crazy Capslocker
20:00 jcamins         Why do we use LAST_INSERT_ID in pure .sql files?
20:00 jcamins         That seems... wrong.
20:00 mbalmer         who is now Owen leonard the craza capslocker
20:01 mbalmer         jcamins, yes.  Will fix it laters
20:02 cait            jcamins: I have no idea why they did it
20:02 cait            but was too chicken to change it
20:02 sekjal          I don't think there is a standard for last_insert_id
20:02 jcamins         mbalmer: I meant, just in general, LAST_INSERT_ID seems like it should only be used in code that does processing.
20:02 mbalmer         yeah, we will find a portable way one day,
20:02 jcamins         (and there not so much)
20:03 jcamins         Actually, using LAST_INSERT_ID seems like a bad idea in any RDBMS.
20:03 mbalmer         ack.
20:03 rangi           7:59 <@rangi> dbi can do that, so most of the time you can use that
20:03 rangi           jcamins: its ok in a transaction
20:03 jcamins         rangi: I know. But it seems like it still wouldn't be threadsafe.
20:03 rangi           but not safe otherwise
20:03 jcamins         Ohh.
20:03 jcamins         Of course. :)
20:04 oleonard        Yeah mbalmer, pretty soon I'm going to be heckling patches for capitalization just like you do for mysqlisms ;)
20:04 libsysguy       ^^ heh
20:04 * libsysguy     goes back to listening in class
20:04 mbalmer         oleonard, I have time on thursday to sign off your patches, if you want.
20:05 oleonard        I welcome all signer-offers
20:05 mbalmer         we could work here online to try to get as much of them signed off.
20:06 mbalmer         Of course I will then only address you as Owen leonard ;)
20:06 cait            I think names are an exception to the rule
20:06 oleonard        slef: I don't know why that patch didn't apply for you. It applies okay for me on a clean branch
20:06 cait            but I think just keep signing off
20:06 jcamins         And German nouns.
20:06 cait            there are saved reports on bugzilla
20:07 sjeffery        Hypothetically, if I managed to import a large number of Z39 records using the wrong encoding, how would I locate all records with that nice box in them?
20:07 cait            we have over 90 things waiting for sign offs
20:07 cait            some bug fixes
20:07 mbalmer         not in this case, cait ;P
20:07 oleonard        slef: You applied just the Administration one?
20:07 mbalmer         oleonards patches are low hanging fruit, and I can spend some time on these.
20:07 jcamins         sjeffery: you could search for invalid characters using SQL.
20:08 mbalmer         the PostgreSQL changes are post 3.8 anyways
20:08 oleonard        cait++ # for testing DataTables patches
20:08 cait            oleonard: it looked so innocent.. and then I saw the list of patches
20:08 jcamins         SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE marcxml LIKE "[forgot the syntax here, but you're looking for the hex value E8]"
20:08 sjeffery        jcamins: Search directly in the database vs from within Koha?
20:09 jcamins         You could do it with reports, or with direct command line access.
20:10 jcamins         If I'm actually awake, I'll do some signing off tomorrow morning during the meeting.
20:10 cait            hm
20:10 cait            how many hours until the meeting?
20:11 mbalmer         I'll be present at the meeting, but will be mostly passive.
20:11 oleonard        14 hours isn't it?
20:11 mbalmer         cait, 10 UTC, 12:00 your time, I guess
20:11 wizzyrea        ouch 5am here
20:11 cait            ok
20:11 cait            time zones always confuse me
20:12 * wizzyrea      too
20:12 cait            wizzyrea: still better than 3 am!
20:12 wizzyrea        yes
20:12 mbalmer         yeah, there are so many of them ;P
20:12 wizzyrea        true
20:12 sjeffery        no kidding!
20:12 jcamins         6am here, thankfully.
20:12 wizzyrea        rule 1?
20:12 wahanui         hmmm... rule 1 is "Don't Be A Dick!"
20:12 wizzyrea        ah.
20:12 jcamins         Myshkin will be delighted.
20:12 jcamins         He feels that 5:45 is the appropriate time for me to wake up.
20:13 sekjal          rule 2?
20:13 jcamins         sekjal: I don't think you really need any more rules, when you have rule 1.
20:13 mbalmer         "Don't Be A Pussy¨"
20:14 sekjal          personally, I use "Chill Out" as rule 2
20:14 cait            jcamins: myshkin! how does he like the new apartment?
20:15 * wizzyrea      prefers sekjal's rules
20:15 jcamins         cait: he _loves_ it.
20:15 cait            hehe
20:15 libsysguy       [off] /me is not sure who was more interesting to watch, jwagner or mbalmer
20:16 cait            [off] ?
20:16 libsysguy       [off] cait off the log (i think)
20:16 mbalmer         ???
20:17 jcamins         logs?
20:17 wahanui         it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
20:17 jcamins         [off] libsysguy: http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/2012-04-03#i_938028
20:18 libsysguy       [off] wow it works :p
20:19 mbalmer         I dislike that the IRC logs are kept publicly.  It could be a reason for me to quit the channel.
20:19 oleonard        I find the IRC logs to be essential
20:19 * wizzyrea      too
20:19 * jcamins       too
20:19 cait            It's always been logged
20:20 jcamins         It encourages transparency and good behavior.
20:20 rangi           since 2000 in fact
20:20 cait            which pretty much is always :)
20:20 libsysguy       yeah I like to go back and see how far I've come
20:20 * wizzyrea      too
20:20 wizzyrea        it's funny.
20:20 sekjal          too much important data is transmitted in chat; I often find answers to questions in old IRC logs
20:20 * jcamins       only appeared twice prior to 2008.
20:21 libsysguy       when I first started I was like *derp* how do you install this thing :p
20:21 cait            hm... sometimes not so much, but still good
20:21 jcamins         lol
20:21 mbalmer         it's voluntary "vorrartsdatenspeicherung"
20:21 cait            I got really annoyed about unicode normalizations
20:21 cait            because all the umlauts looked wrong
20:21 wizzyrea        pretty sure all of mine were "can you make koha make toast"
20:21 cait            it really took too long to figure that out :)
20:21 wizzyrea        @quote get 123
20:21 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:21 wizzyrea        ^^ a la this
20:22 jcamins         My first questions were kind of embarrassing, yeah, but when I know I asked something dumb before, I can find the answer without demonstrating that I still don't get it. ;)
20:22 libsysguy       im out for a bit to do some yoga
20:22 libsysguy       I'll read the logs to catch up later :p
20:22 wizzyrea        later libsysguy
20:22 libsysguy       later #koha
20:22 mbalmer         I feel uncomfortable that my statements are public, and that every discussion is public and logged.
20:22 mbalmer         You guys know my email address.
20:22 sjeffery        I think my first question was along the lines of "why is analytics support so lacking?" followed by having to explain to people what analytics are:(
20:23 jcamins         sjeffery: I guess I wasn't around when you first signed on? ;)
20:23 libsysguy       [off] all of you owe me a beer
20:23 wizzyrea        [off] i love you.
20:23 sjeffery        Yeah, you were. I think your response was along the lines of OMG OMG OMG another analytics person!
20:23 jcamins         [off] libsysguy++
20:24 jcamins         sjeffery: and I'm *still* like that.
20:24 jcamins         Okay, so some of us don't really change much. ;)
20:25 sekjal          analytics are pretty cool.  I still want to generalize them to arbitrary biblio relationships, though
20:25 cait            sekjal: yeah, that would be cool :)
20:25 rangi           im pretty sure the last 12 years of my ones can be summed up as 'Wow .. MARC is crap'
20:26 jcamins         lol
20:26 cait            lol
20:26 cait            and 'Libraries are crazy'? :)
20:26 rangi           that too
20:26 rangi           and 'you want what????'
20:26 cait            hehe
20:27 wizzyrea        @quote get 123
20:27 huginn          wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
20:27 oleonard        rangi: The rest of the world had to butt in and spoil a good thing ;)
20:28 * oleonard      notices it's time to leave
20:28 oleonard        Bye #koha. See you 13.5 hours
20:28 rangi           cya oleonard
20:28 wizzyrea        bye
20:28 rangi           oh and hey, atarau has inhereited the fish
20:28 rangi           you gave kahu
20:28 rangi           he took it to kindy
20:29 wizzyrea        he's old enough for that!? *weeps8
20:30 rangi           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGci2Vi2tv8
20:30 rangi           we are bad parents
20:30 wizzyrea        seems unlikely
20:31 wizzyrea        hungry hippos is a great game
20:31 rangi           yes but trying to make your kid call it 'eat balls' is a bit immature :)
20:32 wizzyrea        pfft. That's what children are for
20:32 wizzyrea        to let your inner 2 year old out :)
20:33 liw             this is why I don't need children: my inner 2-year-old is running my life anyway
20:33 rangi           heh :)
20:33 wizzyrea        hehe!
20:34 * wizzyrea      imagines a tantrumming liw
20:34 cait            :)
20:39 * jcamins       calls it a day.
20:39 rangi           wow, so cool
20:39 rangi           http://www.thelanguageproject.org/
20:39 rangi           and using Koha in Laos at least
20:39 druthb          o/
20:40 rangi           hey druthb
20:40 cait            hi druthb :)
20:40 jcamins         Good night, #koha.
20:40 druthb          :)  howdy, friends.
20:40 wizzyrea        hey ruth
20:41 schuster        I have a Zebra question.  I have exported my data for an index but then when Zebra starts I am getting this error  zebraidx(2638) [warn] Cannot access path /tmp/RRqG2imNQS/biblio [No such file or directory]
20:42 schuster        I don't see a /tmp/xxx - ??
20:43 libsysguy       logs?
20:43 wahanui         well, logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
20:44 rangi           how did you run rebuild_zebra.pl ?
20:46 schuster        So it "exported" all of the records and then died with the above error on the screen
20:49 sekjal          off for the day.  see you in ~ 13 hrs, #koha!
20:55 rangi           schuster: you didnt run out of disk?
20:56 rangi           /tmp in particular
20:56 schuster        no - I'm going to run it with -k this time and see what happens
20:56 rangi           good plan, and -v
20:57 schuster        yep -b -r -x -v -k -w
20:58 rangi           cool
20:58 schuster        yish flickering lights...
20:58 rangi           how are those upses :)
21:04 schuster        VM machine will be fine my desktop well that's replacable!
21:05 rangi           :)
21:06 schuster        Takes a couple of hours just to export the 277000+ records...  but I'm getting there!
21:06 wizzyrea        guess the heavy weather all stayed south
21:28 libsysguy       wizzyrea yeah its about to come down here
21:49 * jcamins       returns.
21:51 wizzyrea        wb
21:52 jcamins         Thanks. :)
22:02 jcamins         cait: isn't it a bit late?
22:04 * cait          hides
22:06 eythian         Hi.
22:19 rangi           @wunder nzwn
22:19 huginn          rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:10 AM NZST on April 04, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
22:21 cait            @wunder konstanz
22:21 huginn          cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 10.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on April 04, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
22:22 bag             @wunder 93109
22:22 huginn          bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 21.7°C (3:21 PM PDT on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect from 10 PM this evening to 6 am PDT Wednesday...
22:22 moodaepo        @wunder 370096
22:22 huginn          moodaepo: Error: No such location could be found.
22:23 moodaepo        @wunder 30096
22:23 huginn          moodaepo: The current temperature in Berkeley Lake, Berkeley Lake, Georgia is 27.3°C (6:20 PM EDT on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
22:23 rangi           http://instagr.am/p/I-HuUlvBlt/
22:24 * moodaepo      heads home
22:31 maximep         @wunder cyqb
22:31 huginn          maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is 8.0°C (6:00 PM EDT on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.75 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
22:31 libsysguy       @wunder 75707
22:31 huginn          libsysguy: The current temperature in Lake Tyler (D3895), Tyler, Texas is 25.8°C (5:30 PM CDT on April 03, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006 hPa (Steady).  Tornado Watch 135 in effect until 10 PM CDT this evening... 
22:31 maximep         not 27, but not bad. Can't wait for summer -_-
22:32 * libsysguy     might die in a tornado
22:32 maximep         cool
22:32 maximep         :p
22:32 libsysguy       thanks maximep :'(
22:32 maximep         if there's 1 thing good about canada is that thre's no tornadoes, no eartquakes, no nothing
22:34 libsysguy       just cold
22:34 libsysguy       and more cold
22:34 maximep         plenty of that
22:34 libsysguy       heh
22:34 cait            heh
22:34 cait            night :)
22:34 maximep         still plenty of snow left
22:34 libsysguy       its ok…texas there is pleanty of hot
22:34 libsysguy       night cait
22:37 slef            @later tell oleonard no but did you want the details of the patches that applied fine? I assumed the patches were fairly orthogonal and just included the one that failed to git bz
22:37 huginn          slef: The operation succeeded.
22:42 jcamins         Did t/00-merge-conflict-markers.t always take this long to run?
22:45 rangi           takes me about 3 secs
22:45 jcamins         Yeah, that's how long I think it usually takes.
22:45 * jcamins       runs it again.
22:46 jcamins         This time it was quick. Must've been something running in the background.
22:52 eythian         http://fashionablygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/beaker-stormtrooper.jpg
22:58 bag             ha that's great eythian
23:03 jcamins         How do I reset the T::T cache?
23:03 jcamins         Wait... that didn't make it into Koha yet, did it?
23:04 eythian         jcamins: if you have it, a) it's unlikely you'll need to reset it, and b) to do so, just delete the cached filed.
23:05 jcamins         eythian: I was talking about the memcached include caching, which isn't in Koha yet.
23:05 eythian         oh right
23:05 eythian         T::T has the ability to have multiple caches :)
23:07 jcamins         Yup. :)
23:12 schuster        ok well it says it finished...  The export takes the most time and evidently when I ran the index yesterday it was as the wrong user so in the tmp file there were files owned by root so the correct user couldn't overwrite them that is what was causing my problem.
23:12 schuster        BLAH! - ok will work more on that tomorrow!
23:19 schuster        nothing found while searching... blah...  in the log I see this: zebrasrv(1)  [warn] ir_session (exception)  - what does that mean?
23:20 jcamins         Hm. There are a lot of incorrect capitalizations, aren't there?
23:25 libsysguy       what controls the main staff page?
23:26 eythian         lasers.
23:26 libsysguy       magic?
23:29 jcamins         libsysguy: how do you mean?
23:29 libsysguy       well I was looking for the code that populated that page
23:30 libsysguy       you know…like all the circ stuff is in /circ
23:30 libsysguy       and acquisitions is in /acqui
23:30 jcamins         mainpage.pl.
23:30 libsysguy       doh
23:41 jcamins         I'm getting an error on xt/author/Test_CSV_Various.t because I don't have Text::CSV::Unicode.
23:42 jcamins         Does anyone else get that?